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Russian designers completed ground tests of a manipulator arm for the ISS

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Completed ground testing of the Russian arm-manipulator, which will be installed on the International Space Station (ISS), reports RIA News report of the Deputy Chief Designer of the Central Research Institute of Robotics and Technical Cybernetics (RTK) for Robotics and Robotics Igor Dalyayev.


Currently, the ISS is using Canadarm, a large Canadian arm, and its flexible Dexter manipulator.

The manufacture of the flight sample of the product is completed - the specialized handling system "Capture-E". The first prototype of the system has already successfully passed ground tests,
said Dalyayev.

At the next stage of testing, the “hand” will be tested in outer space. According to the designer, the developers are waiting for the launch of the “new Russian multifunctional laboratory module“ Nauka ”to the ISS, on the surface of which it is planned to install the Russian arm-manipulator”. The module is planned to be put into orbit in December of this year. Following his arrival at the station, the Progress cargo ship will deliver the manipulator, and the astronauts will install it on the outer surface of the ISS.

“Then the experiment on testing the remote control system“ seizure ”will begin. Sitting inside the station, using a laptop and joystick, astronauts will conduct 30 control sessions with a half-meter "hand": they will grab a sample of a handrail similar to those held by astronauts while moving on the outer surface of the station, and using the feedback system, the crew will be able to evaluate the efforts compression, ”says the material.

This development is part of a larger project to create a cosmonobot assistant robot astronauts. It should assist the crew during space exits from the ISS: “inspect the outer surface of the station, carry cargo, highlight the work area with lights, install and disconnect the equipment,” said the source.

The technical solutions incorporated in Zapvat-E are actively used in the development of the Kosmorobot. The results of the experiment will allow to reveal all the nuances of the work of our drives in orbital conditions and take them into account when creating flight samples,
added Dalyayev.

According to him, “for movement on the station surface at Kosmorobot there will be three“ hands ”at once, with which it will cling to the handrails”.

Tests of an assistant robot in space are scheduled to begin in 2020.
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  1. ancestors from Don
    ancestors from Don April 8 2018 08: 47
    +10
    Put it in the Russian segment of the ISS, and let the Americans put their hands out of the window, there is nothing to share secrets with them.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas April 8 2018 08: 55
      +3
      Apparently, the whole cosmos beyond the Earth's orbit is behind us:



      The article is here:
      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a69dc54e86a9e4c4a
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    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 8 2018 09: 04
      +2
      Have you read the article? It is said that now the Canadian hand acts on the ISS. And she’s not going to disappear anywhere
    3. siberalt
      siberalt April 8 2018 09: 18
      0
      The Chinese ISS dangled for three years in space until it was “landed” as unnecessary. But unlike our "World", it did not even reach the earth. The entire foil shell burned down in the stratosphere. They launched another, and the tyconauts will again be shot in a pool of water on the ground. lol
      It’s an expensive pleasure to grow algae in space. winked
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 8 2018 08: 47
    +7
    We pass quietly "to our own." And at present, it is relevant to be independent of the West to the maximum.
    1. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM April 8 2018 10: 12
      +2
      Is it with a half meter hand? And how much will we go over? Half-meter - this is not n-meter. And the hand is not to carry lanterns, but to provide, for example, mooring, undocking of large masses. And this fuss seems to be more aimed at Fedor, so that he can at least crawl outside. After all, the new government may not accept such a result for swollen funds.
      1. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf April 8 2018 12: 38
        +4
        As you read the article, this is a test test, for testing technologies, then when they begin full use there and decide what the sizes should be, for specific tasks.
        Tell me before you write something Nasty and Caustic and do not look to say the least. . . . . can try to learn what is written, I understand that not everyone is given to read and understand the article in one reading.
        1. SHURUM -BURUM
          SHURUM -BURUM April 8 2018 18: 50
          +1
          I am sending you, Vladimir, to the statement of the colleagues on the topic below, because the time to play for graduates of the Pioneer House with child-sized manipulators has passed. We need a full-fledged heavyweight replacement for the Canadian manipulator. So, that is not necessary about the Ugly. I’m a developer and I know what kind of benchmark you set, and that’s what you will achieve.

          Old26 (Vladimir) Today, 09:40

          For Americans, the same Camandarm-1 manipulator arms have been used on shuttles since 1981. Length 15,2 meters

          The second version of the Camandarm-2 arm with a length of 17 meters on the ISS in the American segment has been working since 2001. Since 2007, the Camandarm-2 complex also includes the Dexter manipulator. With two hands (seven-jointed) 3,35 meters long each.

          And we are starting to fool from the manipulator with hands of 1,5 meters, which will be sent to the station only at the end of the year.
          1. Wild_grey_wolf
            Wild_grey_wolf April 9 2018 11: 31
            0
            Sense to me to infu. about the finished sample then? I read without you, I repeat once again re-read the article once the first time my comment doesn’t reach and again. read, it may reach the end. A dubious developer, if you say such a thing, and even lower in the comments it is indicated why this manipulator is needed, well, you didn’t copy it to me A. Or it doesn’t put you in the best light. And has the developer ever heard of small-scale mockups for tests?
  3. Vard
    Vard April 8 2018 08: 47
    +4
    Preparing for the separation of the ISS Russian segment ... It's high time ...
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis April 8 2018 09: 37
      +8
      Quote: Vard
      Preparing for the separation of the ISS Russian segment ... It's high time ...

      More than half of the ISS energy is American, the panels are on a hefty farm assembled by NASA. Even if you take half of the current area of ​​the panels, anyway, they will not have enough space on the module housings, it will be necessary to build something like a farm, and before that, develop, test, and eliminate errors. Not so simple ...
      In general, even in space they wouldn’t fight, or, tired, honestly.
      1. Vkd dvk
        Vkd dvk April 8 2018 13: 10
        +1
        Quote: Avis-bis
        Quote: Vard
        Preparing for the separation of the ISS Russian segment ... It's high time ...

        More than half of the ISS energy is American, the panels are on a hefty farm assembled by NASA. Even if you take half of the current area of ​​the panels, anyway, they will not have enough space on the module housings, it will be necessary to build something like a farm, and before that, develop, test, and eliminate errors. Not so simple ...
        In general, even in space they wouldn’t fight, or, tired, honestly.

        Defend your own interests everywhere. This is a reasonable cooperation, and the pursuit of certain boundaries. They will respect only when it is in a reasonable combination. Energy (area of ​​panels) must meet the needs. No more, but no less. Our programs. But not a stranger.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis April 8 2018 13: 34
          +3
          Quote: wkd dvk

          Defend your own interests everywhere. This is a reasonable cooperation, and the pursuit of certain boundaries. They will respect only when it is in a reasonable combination. Energy (area of ​​panels) must meet the needs. No more, but no less. Our programs. But not a stranger.

          Defend. Swipe. There are purely our only three modules. Even Zarya was funded by the States for 250 million dollars against our 150 million dollars. The contract with the Boeing.
  4. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii April 8 2018 08: 48
    +11
    Let them teach a hand to give head slaps to NATO satellites smile
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 8 2018 08: 50
      +4
      ul_vitalii (Vitaliy) Today, 08: 48 New
      Let them teach a hand to give head slaps to NATO satellites smile

      And also slap them on the lips so that they don’t carry any bad info, and give them on playful hands so that they don’t go where they don’t need to. bully
  5. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa April 8 2018 08: 55
    +7
    "Cosmorobot" will immediately have three "hands" with which he will cling to the handrails. "
    Pancake! I'm losing weight with our wise guys!
    Why at once with three "hands" cling to the handrails? One is enough, let the American satellites collect about the other two !!! This will be more useful than just holding onto the handrails. bully
    Jesus is risen Orthodox!
    With the bright Christ resurrection of all!
    Health, happiness, GOOD LUCK!
    Peace to you!
    1. san4es
      san4es April 8 2018 09: 28
      +3
      hi Truly Risen! God help you.
      ... One is enough ... So more benefit will be

      The main contribution of the Maple Leaf country to the ISS project is the Canadarm-2 space manipulator, with the help of which foreign cargo ships are docked to the station.
      Dec 2016 year
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 8 2018 09: 38
        +2
        Quote: san4es
        God help.

        Greetings, colleague Sanchez!
        The Lord helps the righteous! To those who fight for a righteous cause. Therefore - "God is with us and the St. Andrew flag!"
        And for the video - special thanks: fresh, informative, to the topic!
        Happy Holiday Once Again! drinks
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 8 2018 09: 37
      +1
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Why at once with three "hands" cling to the handrails? One is enough, let the American satellites collect about the other two !!! This will be more useful than just holding onto the handrails.

      Alexander hi
      In short, with the third hand that is between the legs of the robot, we will satellites sat around and disperse asteroids, while the robot will perform obscene ditties all according to the law of the genre. laughing
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa April 8 2018 09: 53
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        while the robot will perform obscene ditties

        Hello, Stanislav! hi
        If the ditties will be folk, then - "Good!"
        And if they’re Slepakov’s, then it’s possible to receive “aliens” from aliens!
        I am glad that you are in a good mood, and you are joking too!
        Happy Holidays! drinks
  6. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 8 2018 09: 24
    +2
    We can create all kinds of Hands. We still have a Dead Hand, Kremlin Hand, etc. system in Russia. he he
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 8 2018 09: 27
      +10
      Quote: MIKHAN
      still in Russia there is a system of "Dead Hand", "Hand of the Kremlin", etc.

      The scariest system in Russia is the Left Foot.
      God forbid to get up from her, oooo belay
  7. Old26
    Old26 April 8 2018 09: 40
    +7
    Quote: Ancestors from the Don
    Put it in the Russian segment of the ISS, and let the Americans put their hands out of the window, there is nothing to share secrets with them.

    Teach the materiel, specialist pancake.
    Americans have the same manipulator hands Camandarm-1 used on shuttles with 1981 years. Length 15,2 meters

    Second hand option Camandarm-2 in length 17 meters on the ISS in the us segment since 2001. Since 2007 part "complex" Camandarm-2 the manipulator is also included "Dexter". With two arms (seven-jointed) in length 3,35 meters each.

    And we begin to fool from the manipulator with hands in 1,5 meters, which will be sent to the station only at the end of the year. Using the manipulator for 11 years or promising 30-fold use - do you see the difference? Who has more experience and who needs to learn from whom ??? But Urya-Urya, we will not share secrets with the Americans. Damn, how is it fuss got

    Quote: bulvas
    Apparently, the whole cosmos beyond the Earth's orbit is behind us:

    Sure. These are the Soviet (Russian) Pioneer stations that flew outside the solar system ... These are the Soviet (Russian) Voyagers and Cassini that studied the planets “Beyond” the asteroid belt .... These are of course Russian automata now on Mars

    Quote: Vard
    Preparing for the separation of the ISS Russian segment ... It's high time ...

    It's high time ... Only now the communication technology would be “tightened up", so that it would be possible to use high-speed data transfer lines, and not a communication satellite. Internet to establish. We’ll supply about a dozen solar panels, since we give about 100 out of the total energy source of the 18 kW station. And then you can separate. Yes, the main module of the entire station will also have to be changed. He is then legally American, not ours ... Farms to develop and drag into orbit, install anti-meteor screens, etc. etc. And so it's time. We have not been able to launch the module for almost 10 years ... And so long it's time ...

    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Pancake! I'm losing weight with our wise guys!
    Why at once with three "hands" cling to the handrails? One is enough, let the American satellites collect about the other two !!! This will be more useful than just holding onto the handrails.

    Happy holiday, Sasha. The American “Dexter” clings to the body in general, but acts with its 3,35 meter hands (“the torso in the upper part can still rotate around its axis). And with our three 1,5 meter hands it will only cling. laughing
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy April 8 2018 11: 58
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      which only at the end of the year will be sent to the station.


      Judging by the article, the hand will fly after Science, and it has already been transferred to 2019. The poor module does not reach the orbit.
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 8 2018 09: 54
    +3
    Dragon b / ear maskovskoy yet docked. He brought 2.5 tons of cargo,
    will transport 1.5 tons of return to Earth.
    1. Hole puncher
      Hole puncher April 8 2018 10: 12
      +5
      The successes of the Mask were not accepted here, so as not to spoil the mood of the patriots.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny April 8 2018 10: 28
        +4
        It is not customary to bark to all traitors about topics in which they do not understand a damn thing.
        1. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher April 8 2018 13: 56
          0
          Quote: Mestny
          It is not customary to bark to all traitors about topics in which they do not understand a damn thing.

          And who determines what is the bark and in what paragraph of the site rules is it spelled out? Woof.
      2. ultra
        ultra April 8 2018 10: 46
        +2
        Where are the patriots here? Do you even know what Ilon Mask and his projects are? Payment Ratio - an enterprise is considered solvent if its total assets (Total Assets) are greater than long-term and short-term obligations (Total Liabilities). As we can see, Tesla’s solvent rate is 1,4, but if we discard the assets and liabilities brought into the Mask company during the redemption of his brother’s Solar system and evaluate only Tesla’s “clean” business, the solvency value drops to 0,98 - there is only when taking into account the direct activities of the company, it can not answer for its debts.
      3. ultra
        ultra April 8 2018 10: 57
        +2
        Quote: Puncher
        It’s not accepted success Mask replicate, so that the mood does not spoil the patriots

        Let’s do without your silly liberal pathos, in fact! Now a lot is being written about the Falcon Mask rocket and the Dragon ship, which seem to solve all the problems of putting into orbit and further to the Moon, Mars, etc. Musk recently even demonstrated a model of a manned capsule for 7 people.
        Let's start with the engines. The first flying version was called Merlin 1C. Its characteristics:
        The scheme is open, thrust 43/50 tons on Earth and in vacuum, specific impulse 275/304 Kg / kg, chamber pressure 70 atm, weight 630 kg.
        The upgraded version that was used on the latest launches is Merlin 1D. Its characteristics:
        The scheme is open, with a thrust of 66/73 tons on Earth and in vacuum, a specific impulse of 282/311 Kg / kg, a pressure in the chamber of 100 atm, and mass unknown (Musk assures that she has the best ratio of tag to weight in the world).
        For comparison, the RD 107 engine (developed in 1956). Its characteristics:
        The scheme is open, thrust 85/104 tons on Earth and in vacuum, specific impulse 263/320 Kg / kg, chamber pressure 60 atm, weight 1100 kg.
        You can see that the RD 107 and Merlin 1D have approximately the same specific impulse, while the thrust of the RD 107 is one and a half times greater. The ratio of engine thrust to weight for Merlin 1C and RD 107 is approximately the same, for Merlin 1D it is not known (in fact, for the 1st stage it is not significant).
        Thus, RD 107, developed 60 years ago (!) Is better than masked Merlin. Rocket model, this is certainly good, is developing intellectually, but there are many long-developed engines, at least the American N-1 with a thrust of 100 tons.
        The Space X website provides Merlin development prospects. There is a reproduction option for the F-1 Saturn engine. True, then knowledgeable people hinted to Mask that it would be better if he was silent about this and more about this prospect he did not stutter.
        About the Falcons. The first Falcon on Merlin 1C (9 Merlin 1C) was supposed to output about 11 tons, and the last Falkon 911 (9 Merlin 1D) - as much as 13 tons. True, the "world's only returnable" Dragon cargo ship has a mass of 7,5 tons and delivers 2,5 tons of cargo to the ISS, well, exactly like "Progress". True, Progress, unlike Dragon, has an automatic docking unit and it delivers up to 1 ton of fuel. The design of the manned capsule demonstrated by Mask was pulled cleanly from KinDzaDzi (Pepilats with 7 beach chairs and large portholes). Danelia may sue for plagiarism.
        In principle, Mask Falcons can replace Unions, but no more. The price of a Falcon flight (according to the Mask) is $ 50 million, the same as the Union. In the future, Musk wants to install 20 Merlin and make a rocket of 30 tons - a flag in his hands. He cannot afford modern engines with a closed circuit in the long term (even Rocketdyne needs about 5 years to repeat RD 180)
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 8 2018 11: 18
          +2
          "Dragon has a mass of 7,5 tons and delivers 2,5 tons of cargo to the ISS, well, exactly like" Progress "." ///

          You forgot to mention that Dragon is a reusable machine. He carries not only there, but also back.
          And sometimes the reverse is much more important than there: the results of scientific and scientific-technical. experiments.

          And I can not help but give you material for further criticism of Musk and his rockets. fellow
          The next Falcon-9 unit will be reusable for 100 (STO) flights.
          Moreover, every 10 flights will be limited to a simple inter-flight inspection,
          and service, like passenger liners. And only after every 10th flight will
          serious checks.
          1. slipped
            slipped April 8 2018 13: 39
            0
            If you need to return something with kilograms to the ISS, then in Russia the GVK Union has long been developed and its production will be ordered for this. In the meantime, the capabilities of the ordinary Union are enough for materials.

            And it doesn’t matter whether the Dragon is reusable or not - its maintenance and launch are not cheaper than the production of a one-time Progress.
          2. Vkd dvk
            Vkd dvk April 8 2018 13: 43
            +4
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "Dragon has a mass of 7,5 tons and delivers 2,5 tons of cargo to the ISS, well, exactly like" Progress "." ///

            You forgot to mention that Dragon is a reusable machine. He carries not only there, but also back.
            And sometimes the reverse is much more important than there: the results of scientific and scientific-technical. experiments.

            And I can not help but give you material for further criticism of Musk and his rockets. fellow
            The next Falcon-9 unit will be reusable for 100 (STO) flights.
            Moreover, every 10 flights will be limited to a simple inter-flight inspection,
            and service, like passenger liners. And only after every 10th flight will
            serious checks.

            How you disfigured living in the USSR. You manically believe the plans. Not good. Musk manipulates the consciousness of unconscious minds. He has already refused multiple repetitions on block 1, then on block 2, then on block 3, and now he promises only repeated starts of blocks 5. The accumulated and launched of 50 starts, only 5 repetitions. Dragon 1 never flew with the crew, then Dragon 2. Dragon 3 never flew with the crew. Why? Simply, the mask does not need results. He needs to constantly change the deck of cards and raise bets. For the budgetary loot to build a company, increase its value, and, therefore, shares, God forbid, work profitably (then you need to pay taxes). Not one start of his falcons with crews, but already the sale of tickets to Mars. This is what real cheaters do.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh April 8 2018 14: 06
              +2
              "repeatedly refused repeats on block 1, then on block 2, then on block 3" ////

              Well, the first steps have been reused more than 20 times (if you aren’t up to date).
              With real companions. Just landing the first steps became so commonplace
              a phenomenon like the landing of a passenger plane - there is no sensation.
              I do not trust the plans, but the space missile launch schedule. He performed in the past
              year, and this year. Scheduled 30, completed 7.
              If the Mask (as you ingeniously suggested!) Does not need an end result, then
              mobile providers need it for sure. Otherwise, they will not receive money from us. And they formed a long line for launches (namely to the Mask, and not to Roskosmos belay ) 2-3 years in advance.
              Trusting, naive people ... laughing
        2. Hole puncher
          Hole puncher April 8 2018 13: 54
          +1
          Why were there so many beeches? As if something will depend on them. Musk is not going to duplicate the Unions or the Hangar with Proton. He frankly does not care about the Russian cosmonautics, he fights with the powerful LM and Boeing, who monopolized launches in the USA ripping off 300-400 million US dollars per launch. And he does it with the money of American investors, why does it infuriate you so much, are you a Lockheed Martin shareholder?
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 8 2018 10: 59
      +7
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Dragon b / ear maskovskoy yet docked. He brought 2.5 tons of cargo,

      By the way, docking was carried out with the help of the Kamandarm -2 manipulator arm
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 8 2018 11: 10
        +1
        Thank you, interesting photo.
  9. sokol77
    sokol77 April 8 2018 10: 00
    +1
    READ CAREFULLY: the development is part of a larger project to create a robot-assistant astronaut "Cosmorobot". He should assist the crew during spacewalks from the ISS: “inspect the outer surface of the station, carry loads, illuminate the work area with lights, install and disconnect equipment,” the source said. For example, with one hand he holds onto the sheathing handrail and with two hands helps the astronauts (put a screwdriver there), most likely he will move this way (with the help of hands) from this, then he will not be so big because he will crawl on our heels ..... ah ha ha d ... s well, it’s very funny here, aren’t they stupid monkeys, but in KB we have b .. stupid people often sit in the mirror?
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 8 2018 10: 40
      -2
      Why read?
      The main thing for them is to yell from a traditional set of mantras.
      In this case, it fits: "They have it for a long time and are many times better", "they won’t do anything, cut it."
    2. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk April 8 2018 13: 33
      0
      Quote: sokol77
      READ CAREFULLY: the development is part of a larger project to create a robot-assistant astronaut "Cosmorobot". He should assist the crew during spacewalks from the ISS: “inspect the outer surface of the station, carry loads, illuminate the work area with lights, install and disconnect equipment,” the source said. For example, with one hand he holds onto the sheathing handrail and with two hands helps the astronauts (put a screwdriver there), most likely he will move this way (with the help of hands) from this, then he will not be so big because he will crawl on our heels ..... ah ha ha d ... s well, it’s very funny here, aren’t they stupid monkeys, but in KB we have b .. stupid people often sit in the mirror?

      You are ahead of me. I talked about help in working on the surface of the station, with the same functions that in many cases would eliminate the need for a second astronaut. And the best use, in my opinion, is to attach the “hands” to the spacesuit, and not to the surface of the station.
  10. Old26
    Old26 April 8 2018 10: 06
    +2
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Dragon b / ear maskovskoy yet docked. He brought 2.5 tons of cargo,
    will transport 1.5 tons of return to Earth.

    Damn, that’s what it means to talk on the phone and read messages at the same time. On the phone, a comrade says that today they will go and see what and how there is in the country. Will not work, but charcoal for barbecue in the trunk. And at this time I read that the "Dragon" brought to the station 2,5 tons ... of coal laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 8 2018 10: 28
      0
      They also wanted to put a barbecue. What astronauts aren't people? laughing
  11. Mestny
    Mestny April 8 2018 10: 27
    -1
    Quote: Old26
    Who has more experience and who needs to learn from whom ??? But on the other hand, we will not share secrets with the Americans. Damn, how did this fuss get

    Bored? Suitcase Tel Aviv.
    The moans about the bad got even more.
  12. Dead duck
    Dead duck April 8 2018 10: 56
    +2
    The ground testing of the Russian manipulator arm, which will be ...
    repel foreign ships from the station .... except for Russian
  13. Old26
    Old26 April 8 2018 11: 09
    +8
    Quote: Mestny
    Bored? Suitcase Tel Aviv.

    Bon voyage, Sergey! And as they say - a good riddance! You can even go to Israel, even to the Ivory Coast, even to Antarctica ...

    Quote: Mestny
    The moans about the bad got even more.

    Well, you will not find such posts at me. And it is nevertheless worth distinguishing a real view of things from either omnipotence or lulling on the topic of no taxes in the world. The difference between criticism and criticism is still worth feeling ..

    And got GRIPPING on IN. The resource has turned from an interesting military-technical resource exclusively into a patrimony cheers patriotswho have a fuss about every occasion. And the "materiel" does not need to know, the main thing is to woof and get pluses.
    Well, ours are going to send a manipulator at the end of the year - well, discuss what its advantages are, and what are the disadvantages compared to the Canadian .... So no. They cut through right there uraki. who elevate a pre-existing manipulator to a superlative degree. However, they sometimes don’t even know that your competitor has such a manipulator. Here is the first post very eloquently speaks about it
    Quote: Ancestors from the Don
    Put it in the Russian segment of the ISS, and let the Americans put their hands out of the window, there is nothing to share secrets with them.
    1. slipped
      slipped April 8 2018 13: 42
      0
      Not at the end of the year, but after delivery of the MLM-U to the station. What does Canadaarm have to do with it ?! This is the hand of the space robot.
  14. Old26
    Old26 April 8 2018 11: 16
    +1
    Quote: Ascetic
    By the way, docking was carried out with the help of the Kamandarm -2 manipulator arm

    Yes, Stanislav. Exactly. Although a few flights back to the Dragon, a system similar to our docking system was tested. It is more profitable to dock manually (if there is a crew). There will be no situations that when the docking system fails, the ship crashes into the station.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 8 2018 12: 12
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      There will be no situations that when the docking system fails, the ship crashes into the station.

      Vladimir! hi
      We are not looking for easy ways, this is our strength and weakness at the same time. Happy holiday! I’ll go check the brazier, it’s already dying drinks
    2. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk April 8 2018 13: 16
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Ascetic
      By the way, docking was carried out with the help of the Kamandarm -2 manipulator arm

      Yes, Stanislav. Exactly. Although a few flights back to the Dragon, a system similar to our docking system was tested. It is more profitable to dock manually (if there is a crew). There will be no situations that when the docking system fails, the ship crashes into the station.

      Failure of the hands in the same way destroys either the ship or the station. Here it is necessary to look at the following - docking WITHOUT a hand is one degree of reliability. Docking with the help of an additional element - simply by virtue of theory - is worse. Due to the appearance of another element. If the “arm” was a kilometer long and excluded the need for a smooth approach to the ISS, then we could talk about greater reliability. But the approach to the meters does not weaken the possibility of rams. But add hand grab failure.
  15. ivan0vitch
    ivan0vitch April 8 2018 11: 25
    +1
    with a cup of coffee, "using a laptop and joystick." Wow, what progress has come to!, Not with the help of cables and some kind of mother. The Science module was supposed to fly back in 2011. Wangyu, a couple of years later they will be pulled by fairy tales about "a manipulator arm - tomorrow!" and then the stories will begin about "the ISS operation ends in 2024! There is no point in launching it! Better we put all this wealth at our station!" year 2035)
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk April 8 2018 13: 22
      0
      Quote: Rossia
      with a cup of coffee, "using a laptop and joystick." Wow, what progress has come to!, Not with the help of cables and some kind of mother. The Science module was supposed to fly back in 2011. Wangyu, a couple of years later they will be pulled by fairy tales about "a manipulator arm - tomorrow!" and then the stories will begin about "the ISS operation ends in 2024! There is no point in launching it! Better we put all this wealth at our station!" year 2035)

      In order for you to have Wang’s abilities, you would have to be blinded in childhood. And that would not guarantee ....
      As I understand it, our version of the “hand” is not at all for what the Canadians did it for. Small help when working on the surface of the station. To give the tool, to highlight in a hard-to-reach place. The best option is to attach the "hand" to the suit, and not on the surface of the station. The presence of this device excludes in many cases the exit of two astronauts simultaneously.
      1. ivan0vitch
        ivan0vitch April 8 2018 13: 40
        +2
        for now, your version of the hand is an article on VO. discuss the size and functionality of what, in fact, is not yet. That will launch the module "Science", put the "hand". then yes. it will turn from verbal-brain masturbation and seeking out the benefits of the hunchbacked skate to a normal discussion
  16. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ April 8 2018 11: 50
    +3
    I am outraged by the statements about the "cheers of the patriots", I want to ask who do you consider yourself to be "crap traitors"? People have their own opinions about their country, about their people, and these people have the right to be proud of their country and its achievements, and whether they are big or small is not important.
    1. slipped
      slipped April 8 2018 13: 33
      +4
      The funny thing is that they begin to compare completely different designs of remote-manipulator systems. Our manipulator is for this comrade:



      just half a meter has one arm.
      The DUMS Canada has nothing to do with it, because the functional is different in principle.
  17. weksha50
    weksha50 April 8 2018 13: 37
    +1
    "He must assist the crew during spacewalks from the ISS:" inspect the outer surface of the station, carry loads, illuminate the work area with lights, install and disconnect equipment ""...

    Well, everything is going to ensure that in the near future the ISS will no longer be the ISS ... There are plans for the station’s “breaking” into 2 independent modules, the American is unlikely to exist without our life support systems, so the way to it is to the Pacific or Atlantic ocean...
    So ours are already preparing well in advance for the formation of a new modern space station in orbit ...
    Everything is the case, everything is the way ...
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis April 8 2018 14: 38
      +5
      Quote: weksha50
      American without our life support systems is unlikely to exist

      Tranquility module (English tranquility - calm) of the international space station. Delivered to the ISS on February 10, 2010.
      In the Tranquility residential module, there is a life support system capable of processing liquid waste into water suitable for domestic use, as well as producing oxygen for breathing. In addition, Tranquility has a toilet and an air purification system that removes pollution from the station’s atmosphere and controls its composition.
      Tranquility has six docking nodes.
      There are eight two-meter racks. Two of them are used to install control equipment for the module itself, the rest are used for monitoring the status of the ISS, as well as part of the life support systems of the station (air circulation systems, oxygen generation, waste disposal, water processing, etc.).


      his way - to the Pacific or Atlantic Ocean ...

      The rise of the orbit can provide the "Dragons".
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 April 8 2018 18: 12
        +1
        Quote: Avis-bis
        The rise of the orbit can provide the "Dragons".


        Um ... Sorry ... That's what it means to read completely contradictory information about the American part of the ISS ...
        What is fraught with the use of materials from the Internet - absolutely everything must be passed through a sieve ... hi
  18. Old26
    Old26 April 8 2018 15: 37
    +2
    Quote: Ascetic
    We are not looking for easy ways, this is our strength and weakness at the same time. Happy holiday! I’ll go check the brazier, it’s already dying

    And we are already. A neighbor near the grill garage also about 12. spread ....

    Quote: Vkd dvk
    Failure of the hands in the same way destroys either the ship or the station. Here it is necessary to look at the following - docking WITHOUT a hand is one degree of reliability. Docking with the help of an additional element - simply by virtue of theory - is worse. .

    Maybe. But unfortunately, the Igla system failed several times. Not during the re-launch, one of the modules of the world was broken. Purely mathematically, this element may have lower reliability, but with an unmanned ship, docking with a hand showed greater reliability. Those same Americans almost at the very beginning of the test, the automatic system failed (I don’t know now). Therefore, they still use the hand. . Yes, and reloading with the help of the hand is more advantageous in that the fuel of the reloading facility is not consumed

    Quote: wkd dvk
    If the “arm” was a kilometer long and excluded the need for a smooth approach to the ISS, then we could talk about greater reliability. But the approach to the meters does not weaken the possibility of rams. But add hand grab failure.

    Well, the rapprochement is no longer at a very high speed. Approaching a distance of 17 meters with a low approach speed allows you to brake if necessary. And the transition to manual docking mode (by hand) becomes more secure. "Needles" sometimes we failed at a distance of 50 meters and 25 meters. It saved that there was a crew that docked by hand ....

    Quote: Vkd dvk
    As I understand it, our version of the “hand” is not at all for what the Canadians did it for. Small help when working on the surface of the station. To give the tool, to highlight in a hard-to-reach place. The best option is to attach the "hand" to the suit, and not on the surface of the station. The presence of this device excludes in many cases the exit of two astronauts simultaneously.

    That's right, Victor. We will have a “not arm”, namely a manipulator with three “arms” long. This is an analogue of the American Dexter. He has a pair of hands, though longer. Whether ours will have the possibility of rotation around its own axis "part of the body" is still unknown ..
    1. Vkd dvk
      Vkd dvk April 8 2018 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Ascetic
      We are not looking for easy ways, this is our strength and weakness at the same time. Happy holiday! I’ll go check the brazier, it’s already dying

      And we are already. A neighbor near the grill garage also about 12. spread ....

      Quote: Vkd dvk
      Failure of the hands in the same way destroys either the ship or the station. Here it is necessary to look at the following - docking WITHOUT a hand is one degree of reliability. Docking with the help of an additional element - simply by virtue of theory - is worse. .

      Maybe. But unfortunately, the Igla system failed several times. Not during the re-launch, one of the modules of the world was broken. Purely mathematically, this element may have lower reliability, but with an unmanned ship, docking with a hand showed greater reliability. Those same Americans almost at the very beginning of the test, the automatic system failed (I don’t know now). Therefore, they still use the hand. . Yes, and reloading with the help of the hand is more advantageous in that the fuel of the reloading facility is not consumed

      Quote: wkd dvk
      If the “arm” was a kilometer long and excluded the need for a smooth approach to the ISS, then we could talk about greater reliability. But the approach to the meters does not weaken the possibility of rams. But add hand grab failure.

      Well, the rapprochement is no longer at a very high speed. Approaching a distance of 17 meters with a low approach speed allows you to brake if necessary. And the transition to manual docking mode (by hand) becomes more secure. "Needles" sometimes we failed at a distance of 50 meters and 25 meters. It saved that there was a crew that docked by hand ....

      Quote: Vkd dvk
      As I understand it, our version of the “hand” is not at all for what the Canadians did it for. Small help when working on the surface of the station. To give the tool, to highlight in a hard-to-reach place. The best option is to attach the "hand" to the suit, and not on the surface of the station. The presence of this device excludes in many cases the exit of two astronauts simultaneously.

      That's right, Victor. We will have a “not arm”, namely a manipulator with three “arms” long. This is an analogue of the American Dexter. He has a pair of hands, though longer. Whether ours will have the possibility of rotation around its own axis "part of the body" is still unknown ..

      Improving the positioning system, orientation, control of low-thrust engines, armless docking will become safer. The use of "hands" when docking decent masses will become impossible. I do not think that the strength of this design will allow to BRAKE and pull the mass of tens of tons (this goes) is in doubt. Perhaps, in the case of the ISS, this will not come to that, but if you look into the future ... A space robot, possibly multi-armed, and constantly located on the surface, able to crawl to the right place and help a person there, in a vacuum, is an undoubted benefit. It is unlikely that they will conduct operations only with this mechanism, without human intervention. The difficulties are too great.
      There is a bike on this subject. The inventor of the phone, Alexander Bell, demonstrated his invention and made a splash. One lady, utterly delighted, exclaimed, “Yes, you are a magician! Transmit a person’s voice by wire !!!!” To which he modestly replied that, in principle, it is possible to convey the person himself, but the difficulties arising from this still exceed our capabilities.