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Coalition-SV will go into series in 2020

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Serial deliveries to the Russian army of the new self-propelled howitzer “Coalition-SV” can begin in the 2020 year after the completion of state tests, Interfax reports, citing an informed source.


Completion of state tests "Coalition" is expected by the end of 2019 - the beginning of 2020, followed by the adoption of
- he said.

Coalition-SV will go into series in 2020


Within the framework of the “Coalition-SV” project, three products have been developed - self-propelled artillery on a tracked and wheeled chassis, as well as a loading and unloading machine. In this case, the loading machine has already passed state tests.

10 self-propelled howitzers "Coalition-SV" received on military tests First tank army (Moscow region).

"Coalition-SV" is intended for the destruction of command posts, communications centers, artillery and mortar batteries, armored vehicles, including tanks, anti-tank weapons, air defense and anti-missile defense systems, enemy manpower. The basis of firepower is the 2X88 152 mm caliber gun with a firing speed of more than 10 rounds per minute, which is higher than other artillery systems.
It is expected that the "Coalition-SV" will be equipped with separate artillery brigades.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi April 7 2018 12: 45
    +19
    Chic self-propelled guns. I envy you for good.
    1. Pivot
      Pivot April 7 2018 13: 38
      +4
      Noble howitzer, but still old systems full of modernization. I think it’s not soon that we will completely turn to it unfortunately.
    2. andy.v.lee
      andy.v.lee April 7 2018 13: 46
      +6
      On the chassis of "Almaty" - that’s it! drinks
      1. Pivot
        Pivot April 7 2018 13: 55
        +3
        God forbid that we had more such weapons.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 7 2018 13: 57
      +19
      I prefer the comparative characteristics of Msta-C1 and Coalition-SV
      1. Pivot
        Pivot April 7 2018 14: 17
        +6
        Oh, these comparisons. Both guns are good, firing range is such a slippery topic.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 7 2018 19: 14
          0
          Quote: Pivot
          Both guns are good, firing range is such a slippery topic.

          Once there was an infa that the coalition made a new line of shells that simply "do not climb" in the MSTU. Well, the ballistics of the barrel itself are better there. Well and most importantly - the coalition has a fully automatic charge, and the MSTA only charges the projectile itself - the powder charge has to be supplied to a person and hands ...
          1. Pivot
            Pivot April 7 2018 20: 58
            +2
            Time will tell.
    4. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 8 2018 08: 04
      +1
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Chic self-propelled guns. I envy you for good.

      In such cases, it is better to say - I’m glad for you that you have such a self-propelled gun. Because envy, it is - envy. Bad feeling.
    5. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman April 8 2018 14: 39
      0
      Envy is not good, buy it.
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 7 2018 12: 45
    +4
    It's a bit late .. We already need them .. on the borders of Russia!
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 7 2018 12: 48
      +6
      “It can begin ....” Vitaly, of course, is not that “too late.” However, the situation does not have that “can begin.”
      Quote: MIKHAN
      It's a bit late .. We already need them .. on the borders of Russia!
    2. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 7 2018 13: 10
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      We need them now ... on the borders of Russia!

      belay on what? Vitalka. wassat ...it's too early drinks - - Easter tomorrow !!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets April 7 2018 13: 15
        +3
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        Easter tomorrow !!

        Looks like the Annunciation. laughing
    3. JD1979
      JD1979 April 7 2018 13: 17
      +14
      You don’t understand, with yours don’t understand what, either slogans or idiots. Then you urgently require all tanks to be sent to Syria, then self-propelled guns to the borders. You already decide on the general direction of the slogans.
    4. Berkut24
      Berkut24 April 7 2018 14: 40
      +1
      We need them now ... on the borders of Russia!

      Borders need border guards. And the guns have already been placed at the border once. The Germans then fought almost the entire war on them. And at the beginning of the war, the Wehrmacht, it was almost the only field guns, which were in the teeth and T-34 and KV-1. No need to repeat mistakes.
  3. newcomer
    newcomer April 7 2018 12: 50
    +5
    with 20th_et is normal, along with the modernization of all previous artillery systems, in general is tolerable. I’ve been more excited by the soul of the “fool”, it’s not fate that is visible.
    1. siberalt
      siberalt April 7 2018 13: 09
      +1
      If a double-barreled shotgun, then shoot with shrapnel doublet? belay
      1. newcomer
        newcomer April 7 2018 13: 19
        +5
        no. double shot_ draw conclusions about the consequences for the target.
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    1. newcomer
      newcomer April 7 2018 12: 53
      +3
      Guardsmen, so to speak.
  5. assa67
    assa67 April 7 2018 12: 51
    +4
    it will be almost two years to "run" 10 cars? Or will additional samples be received during the test?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 7 2018 12: 59
      +6
      Quote: assa67
      it will be almost two years to "run" 10 cars? Or will additional samples be received during the test?

      Two years to treat childhood diseases.
      1. assa67
        assa67 April 7 2018 13: 04
        +4
        we can cure ... the "doctors" we have are good ... the question is what will the children without the detected sores do during the "treatment"? hi
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          1. assa67
            assa67 April 7 2018 13: 35
            +3
            You want to say that the discovered flaws will not be eliminated during the test? request
            1. Valentinne
              Valentinne April 7 2018 13: 37
              0
              Will be on prototypes and on schemes.
              What does this have to do with: "will children without detected sores" arrive during the "treatment"?
              They won’t be until they complete the tests and reveal all childhood diseases. hi
              1. assa67
                assa67 April 7 2018 13: 41
                +4
                Quote: Valentine
                They won’t be until they complete the tests

                and sorry .. even with the "sores" cool car ... a little further, in the comments a good video from Sanchez ... hi
          2. Albert1988
            Albert1988 April 7 2018 19: 16
            0
            Quote: Valentine
            How can it appear: "children without detected sores?"

            But what about the "sores" of new shells? After all, a new self-propelled gun is, first of all, a new barrel and new shells for it, to shoot old ones is to use not even 50% of the potential of the new artillery system.
            1. Valentinne
              Valentinne April 7 2018 19: 56
              +2
              "After all, the new self-propelled guns is primarily a new barrel and new shells for it"
              Who told you that?
              The new self-propelled gun is in the first (and second) turn a new self-propelled gun.
              Under the old, which dofiga in warehouses, shells.
              To get new shells in the right amount you need to spend many hundreds of billions and tens of years.
              They waved sticks out of thin air in warehouses.
              And if you constantly develop new weapons with new shells, then not only we will not have enough money, but even the Shtatovs with their printing press. hi
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 7 2018 20: 03
                +6
                Quote: Valentine
                The new self-propelled gun is in the first (and second) turn a new self-propelled gun.
                Under the old, which dofiga in warehouses, shells

                The Coalition has a cap loading. Ancestors have a separate case.
                And you just said stupidity. With a smart look. AND
                Quote: Valentine
                ... right how many

                With what I congratulate you love
                1. Valentinne
                  Valentinne April 7 2018 20: 44
                  +2
                  I will not follow your example and banter on you.
                  Just ask three questions.
                  1 Shells for Msta-S and Coalition are different?
                  2 How insignificant is the quantity of new shells in the warehouses and how much will this minuscule increase in the future?
                  3 What does the quote say to you: “Coalition-SV uses existing and new ammunition samples?”
                  And a bunch to load you love
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 7 2018 20: 57
                    +7
                    Quote: Valentine
                    Just ask two questions.

                    Both questions are stupid.
                    There is no such thing as a "shell separately," there is a concept of "shot." This is a shell and a charge.
                    Msta has a charge in the sleeve, while the Coalition has a charge in a cap (or cap).
                    I doubt very much that the MoH of the Coalition will "digest" the sleeve.
                    In this way, the answer to the first question is yes, different.
                    The answer to the second question is how much will be needed, so much will be done. Tea, not a ballistic missile.
                    But before that, the shells must be adopted, and for this - bring to mind.
                    Quote: Valentine
                    I will not follow your example and mock you

                    Yes, for the sake of everything - follow, a flag in your hands ... if there is enough pull wink
                    1. Valentinne
                      Valentinne April 7 2018 21: 02
                      +2
                      They decided to depict an ostrich and not notice the question: “What does the quote say to you:“ Does the Coalition-SV use existing models of ammunition so new? ”?
                      Everything is clear with you.
                      With such a "specialist" I have nothing to talk about.
                      All the best. love
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack April 7 2018 21: 12
                        +5
                        Quote: Valentine
                        All the best

                        Then piss off...
                        Take your quote (from SVPress, as I understand it?), Take it for yourself.
                        Journalists, they are ... journalists laughing
              2. Albert1988
                Albert1988 April 7 2018 22: 14
                +3
                Quote: Valentine
                Who told you that?

                Just read, it’s possible on the VO directly about what modern artillery systems are - you’ll understand that the projectile there - gives at least 50% of all possibilities, so the same German Pzh-2000 has a range of 70 km due to a special projectile, accuracy is such distances are also achieved through adjustable ammunition.

                Quote: Valentine
                The new self-propelled gun is in the first (and second) turn a new self-propelled gun.

                Sorry. but the phrase is meaningless, it’s like saying that a car is a car, only a car is a body, a suspension, an engine, a clutch and another 100500 important units and assemblies from which it is made up, just like a gun consists of two important components - barrel and shell.

                Quote: Valentine
                Under the old, which dofiga in warehouses, shells.

                Ours already pierced with MSTO — they made the charging chamber completely under the old 152mm shells and it turned out that there was almost no possibility to use new shells — they didn’t climb corny in length, and the sleeve also didn’t climb new - so you can’t use heavier shells . As a result, according to many characteristics, the MSTA loses with the latest Western self-propelled guns.

                Quote: Valentine
                "Coalition-SV" uses existing ammunition samples and the new "?"?

                Uses, only using old shells in a coalition is like shooting musket ball-shaped bullets from a rifle - I think the analogy is very clear. Moreover, the shell is old, but the powder charge for it is new, as a friend wrote to you - a cap, and the number of cap can vary depending on the situation. But in history there have been cases when old shells fired from more modern guns using a new, more powerful powder charge, "behaved" not quite as we would like: for example. There are cases when old armor-piercing shells, when they were fired from newer guns, simply cracked on the armor without piercing it, while if they fired from old guns, this was not observed.
                So new shells are very important and, naturally, they will be made actively, and the barrel and its carriers will take into service when the new shells are already in mass production, at least it’s not necessary to wait until they accumulate 100500 million on warehouses)
                1. Valentinne
                  Valentinne April 7 2018 22: 52
                  0
                  I will not spread the thought like you.
                  I’ll just ask: why are new machines made under the old cartridge?
                  Probably because ammo in dofig warehouses and replacing them with new ones costs a lot of money and time?
                  And why do you think that replacing shells for self-propelled guns just spit and you just want to?
                  If in all warehouses stocking up new shells that are suitable only for the Coalition, then at the price it will become not gold, but diamond, and by weight of the self-propelled guns. hi
                  ps especially for Golovan Jack - he wrote this with a smart look.
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                  2. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 April 8 2018 01: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Valentine
                    I’ll just ask: why are new machines made under the old cartridge?

                    I’ll tell you a big secret - cartridges for small arms have not fundamentally changed from the very beginning of the 20th century, and even a new cartridge can be entered into the dimensions of the “old”, but an artillery shell is a very complicated product and if you compare the shell of the beginning of the 20th century with a shell of the beginning of the 21st, it will be completely different shells, both internally, to a large extent and externally.
                    Quote: Valentine
                    And why do you think that replacing shells for self-propelled guns just spit and you just want to?

                    I just DO NOT think so, that's why I am writing - that until new shells go into mass production - they will not accept a new gun for service. And yes - in order for something to develop and improve in the army - you need to really want and then work a lot on it, otherwise, following your words, you still need to fight with kernels and smoke powder until now - there’s something new so far in the warehouses will appear in due quantity ...
                    Quote: Valentine
                    If in all warehouses stocking up new shells that are suitable only for the Coalition, then at the price it will become not gold, but diamond, and by weight of the self-propelled guns.

                    Again, it makes no sense - in the first ALL modern weapons are extremely expensive - the times of cheap and simple 34-k have passed irrevocably, alas, in the second I repeat - the coalition is quite capable of firing and old shells really with a new powder charge - please read carefully that I tell you I write in past comments - this will not make it super expensive. Well, an important detail - the shells for the new coalition will be stocked up gradually, and as old systems, such as acacia and MSTA, are removed from service, they will gradually displace old shells.
                    I repeat - it’s quite possible to shoot old coalitions from a coalition, only this will use up to half of its potential.
                  3. sib.ataman
                    sib.ataman April 8 2018 15: 05
                    +1
                    Regarding the cartridge, you got excited. How many different weapons were made and in different countries under a 7,62 mm parabelum cartridge? A lot of.
                    The cartridge changes when the concept of using a weapon page changes. A new weapon is developed under the old cartridge, if they are not satisfied with some parameters, for example: Mosin rifles, ABC, SVT, etc. - and all one cartridge.
                    If it is stated that all available b / ws can be used, then it’s not easy to dog, then it means that there is also a cap and case loading, and how, then Kulibins!
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 April 8 2018 19: 27
                      0
                      Quote: sib.ataman
                      Regarding the cartridge, you got excited. How many different weapons were made and in different countries under a 7,62 mm parabelum cartridge? A lot of.

                      I agree - greatly exaggerated, but still the shells changed much more than the cartridges.

                      Quote: sib.ataman
                      If it is stated that all available b / ws can be used, then it’s not easy to dog, then it means that there is also a cap and case loading, and how, then Kulibins!

                      In principle, you can use the old shell with a new cap.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 7 2018 13: 29
      +12
      Quote: assa67
      it will be almost two years to "run" 10 cars? Or will additional samples be received during the test?

      This is called the pre-production party, 10 vehicles are only the first of the nth number, the same Armata pre-production will be fully placed in the troops in the second half of this year.
      Do not forget that specialists need to be trained and trained by crews, among other things, statistics should be generated on various systems and much more, which is part of the military test program.
      1. assa67
        assa67 April 7 2018 13: 48
        +3
        Stanislas hi
        Quote: Ascetic
        specialists need to be trained and trained by crews, among other things, statistics should be developed on various systems and much more

        no one argues that the whole range of measures is necessary ... but, in fact, the "Coalition" is not the first self-propelled guns in the Russian army, so there are achievements ... and it seems to me that the main reason for the not so quick introduction into serial production is financing ...
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 April 7 2018 19: 18
          +1
          Not only financing - they may not keep up with the development of the entire line and production of ammunition - they could already have time to test the old ones, but if there are no new ones yet, then the tests will be delayed. Armata, according to some reports, is also delayed due to delays in the development of a new projectile for 2A82.
      2. BRDM2M
        BRDM2M April 7 2018 18: 57
        0
        Well, how much do you need to train the crews? Sit in ANY technique and don’t get out of it for a month, two and you will be super professional
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 7 2018 12: 53
    +1
    Good gun. The most modern of the last ...
  7. san4es
    san4es April 7 2018 12: 55
    +8
    "Coalition-SV" will be equipped with individual artillery brigades soldier .
    1. assa67
      assa67 April 7 2018 13: 32
      +4
      Sanya hi ... cool unit ... and the whole "ours"?
      1. san4es
        san4es April 7 2018 15: 18
        +3
        Quote: assa67
        .. cool unit ... and the whole "ours"?

        hi Andrew.
        KamAZ OJSC has unveiled 3D models of a promising self-propelled 152-mm wheeled artillery system being developed as part of the Coalition-SV-KSh development project. The company Motovilikhinsky Plants (Perm) also participated in the creation of the wheeled version of the self-propelled howitzer

        For the base, a chassis was selected from the KAMAZ-6560 Tornado family of heavy-duty vehicles. This chassis is already in operation in the armed forces as a base for the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems. At the same time, for use in a self-propelled artillery installation, the Tornado machine underwent some changes. First of all, the chassis frame was modified. When firing at this unit is subject to huge loads, which required to strengthen it. In addition, several other parts of the chassis have been modified. These improvements were associated with the installation of a large-sized gun turret. It should be noted that the creation of the KAMAZ-6560 car actually gave a green light to the development of a self-propelled artillery installation on a wheeled chassis. The chassis before the Tornado appeared could not be the base for self-propelled guns with characteristics at the level of the new Coalition-SV-KSh. KAMAZ-6560 has a carrying capacity of about 24 tons, which allowed the use of this chassis as the basis for a new combat vehicle.
        TZM based on a wheeled chassis for self-propelled guns "Coalition-SV"
        1. assa67
          assa67 April 7 2018 15: 34
          +3
          thought out ... and why so bring to the series for so long? not enough money?
        2. Fatum.Inc
          Fatum.Inc April 8 2018 00: 15
          +2
          I’m certainly a couch analyst, but depending on how many firecrackers are in the back, I would like to have at least something armored wedge-shaped behind the cabin, and not accept Islam from the slightest hit.
          1. san4es
            san4es April 8 2018 08: 59
            0
            Quote: Fatum.Inc
            ... I would like to have at least something armored wedge-shaped behind the cabin, and not accept Islam from the slightest hit.

            hi ... TZM operates far beyond the front edge of the front (for 10 - 50 km) ... "Crazy bullet" is unlikely, and the "armored wedge-shaped" with detonation BC will not save.
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith April 7 2018 14: 32
      +6
      Better full video
      1. assa67
        assa67 April 7 2018 15: 36
        +2
        thanks, Sergey hi ... smart ... and, again, what’s it up to the “series” for so long?
  8. K-50
    K-50 April 7 2018 12: 59
    +2
    Serial deliveries of the new Coalition-SV self-propelled howitzer to the Russian army may begin in 2020 after completion of state tests

    Under Stalin, all these state. the tests would have passed in a maximum of a couple of months and would have already begun deliveries to the troops.
    What two years of "Faberge" scratching? We drove to landfills, and I can’t drive them at the most. One crew can't cope, get tired? Double carriage, triple at last. Need to work!!!!! No time to pull !!! am
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov April 7 2018 13: 15
      +2
      I agree! But you would also be sitting in the camp. Gulag would eat there a balance laughing
      1. Amateur
        Amateur April 7 2018 13: 33
        +3
        Of course, if I had been testing a new technique for 10 years.
        1. Valentinne
          Valentinne April 7 2018 14: 42
          0
          Where did the term of 10 years come from?
          But do you think it’s better to adopt a crude system, and then listen to all the media what constantly refusing the Byak is and send engineers in all parts for revision (well, we have nothing to do with them)?
          Well, this must be fully gifted, which would first modify the system, and then run in a series.
          Did I understand you correctly?hi
          1. BRDM2M
            BRDM2M April 7 2018 19: 00
            0
            But how in the war did they manage to develop and adopt for a couple of months?
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 7 2018 13: 19
      +13
      Quote: K-50
      Under Stalin, all these state. tests would pass in a maximum of a couple of months

      Then the technique was an order of magnitude easier. Debugging a mechanic wasn’t a problem, but electronics is more complicated.
    3. st25310
      st25310 April 7 2018 13: 29
      +3
      Under Stalin, the technique was simpler.
  9. ivan0vitch
    ivan0vitch April 7 2018 13: 02
    +2
    a dozen 152 mm 3BV3 nuclear shells 2.5 kt per minute, in an arc. "Thank you for your purchase! Come to us again")
    1. Lex.
      Lex. April 7 2018 13: 08
      0
      And the crews will not receive radiation, for example, the wind will blow and that's it?
      1. nesvobodnye
        nesvobodnye April 7 2018 14: 08
        +1
        Of course they will. But this is war.
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 April 7 2018 14: 46
        +2
        Quote: Lex.
        crews will not receive radiation

        NO .. firstly, armored vehicles are protected from the effects of chemical, bio .. weapons and radiation.
        Secondly .. Radiation, like any em radiation, loses its intensity inversely with the square of the distance.
        Thirdly ... YaV is not the destruction of the reactor. There will not be a large number of radionuclides with a long half-life .. Hiroshima and NAgasaki are witnesses to you, as well as hundreds of nuclear explosives on earth, in air and water. But one ruined reactor littered the floor of Europe.
      3. ivan0vitch
        ivan0vitch April 7 2018 16: 25
        +1
        if air blasting, then there is no transmutation of the elements of the earth's surface into radioactive ones. and the dirt from the actual explosion, a little, the efficiency of modern charges should be good. it’s not “Baby”, where only 50 grams of 60-400 kg of uranium reacted, and the rest scattered
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 April 7 2018 17: 20
          0
          Quote: Rossia
          transmutation of elements

          Only a few elements can produce a radionuclide under radiation, even less with a long half-life .. Even in a nuclear lake they were hardly found, and there the charge was far from modern in efficiency ..
          1. ivan0vitch
            ivan0vitch April 7 2018 18: 49
            +1
            Yes, they are few, but still there. at least cobalt-60, formed due to neutron activation of cobalt, iron, nickel. half-life is long enough
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 April 7 2018 21: 00
              0
              Cobalt-60 is produced in cobalt-59 reactors.
              Isotopes of aluminum, manganese, sodium appear in the soil during irradiation .. their half-life is up to several hours .. besides, other isotopes also appear during irradiation .. with a very short spr .. up to microseconds .. so the induced radiation .. in the general understanding .. rather, the presence of micropores \ .clothing \. skin..isotopes ..
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              2. ivan0vitch
                ivan0vitch April 7 2018 21: 24
                +1
                I got this data from Wikipedia, the Taiga project. literally: "60Co. It was formed as a result of neutron activation of natural isotopes of cobalt, iron and nickel, which were part of the soil and steel pipes used to organize the explosion.
                94Nb. It was formed as a result of neutron activation of natural 93Nb nuclei in materials of nuclear explosives, steel pipes and soil.
                207Bi. Activation by neutrons and charged particles of stable isotopes of lead and bismuth in soil and in nuclear materials. "
                1. dvina71
                  dvina71 April 7 2018 21: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: Rossia
                  included in the composition of the soil and steel pipes used to organize the explosion.

                  Are military pipes included in the composition of a tactical missile defense?
                  1. ivan0vitch
                    ivan0vitch April 8 2018 05: 10
                    +1
                    and where are the pipes, if the conversation was about the activation of soil elements? If you want, "steel pipes" also "come in" - they will probably not shoot at a white light like a pretty penny, but at objects of human life, where there are metal structures, with the above result
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 7 2018 21: 16
        0
        It won’t get it, because the crew is separated from the combat unit.
  10. Alexey N
    Alexey N April 7 2018 13: 10
    +1
    The benefit is where to experience in real-world conditions.
    He began to worry about our Ukrainian partners.
  11. Old26
    Old26 April 7 2018 13: 24
    +6
    Quote: K-50
    Under Stalin, all these state. the tests would have passed in a maximum of a couple of months and would have already begun deliveries to the troops.

    Read the memories of Grabin and others. Before the war, and afterwards, no one drove "in two months", the main task was to comprehensively test. And you are in a wartime situation, when the system was sometimes created in 2-3 weeks, you extrapolate to the present. And a modern self-propelled gun is not a car of the 30-40s. It is several orders of magnitude more complicated.

    Quote: MIKHAN
    It's a bit late .. We already need them .. on the borders of Russia!

    Vitalik! "Msty" is not enough ???? Or the main thing to wave a saber ....

    Quote: K-50
    Need to work!!!!! No time to pull !!!

    And you will correct malfunctions by the method of clapping and say the spells "Akhalai-mahalai" ???? What a kindergarten. Apparently everyone sitting in the GRAU is duller dumber than you that they don’t know how and what to experience ...
    1. K-50
      K-50 April 7 2018 13: 51
      0
      I won’t even argue about the answers that they gave me.
      He who wants to do will do it, but he who does not wish will find a thousand reasons not to do it.
      Moreover, long-term tests ultimately increase the cost of production, because paying for two years of "landfill" or whatever they pay there, also not from your pocket, but from the budget. Though a bit, but more expensive.
      And only military operation will show true reliability. hi
  12. Dead duck
    Dead duck April 7 2018 13: 24
    +3
    Three products developed under the Coalition-SV project

    Product No.1

    Product No.2

    Product No.3, more precisely 3 according to 2 winked
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 April 7 2018 15: 02
      +3
      Quote: Deadush
      Product No.3, more precisely 3 according to 2

      Yes, as soon as they did not mock her ... yes
    2. san4es
      san4es April 7 2018 15: 07
      +2
      Quote: Deadush
      ... Product No. 2

      ...in the reality soldier
      Double-barrel 152 mm howitzer 2A86 with two-sided automatic supply of ammunition. The cannon system is the basis of the installation developed for large ships of the Navy.
  13. groks
    groks April 7 2018 13: 29
    0
    If they give money, then there will be self-propelled guns. If restored, valiantly about .... podilsky EMZ, there will be self-propelled guns. The production of the actual guns began to be organized under Serdyukov. But then it was not the current cutter who was planned, but a really super-promising double-barrel shotgun. It’s 10 now because it is ordered to hold on. If they find an external buyer, then our army can get something. But it is doubtful - they have a conversion (forgive the state lords!).
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets April 7 2018 13: 35
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      Quote: groks
      a really super-promising double-barreled shotgun

      And what is promising in it? request The cost and complexity of production and services ?? With a stated rate of fire of 10 rounds per minute, she will show everything that is needed. Or did you dream of shooting double shots?
      1. groks
        groks April 7 2018 15: 53
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        On fingers. They arrived, fired in raid mode and drove away until they covered enemy rockets. With two trunks, this is one and a half times faster, or the number of one-time (!) Flown in and a half times more. You can have time to dump before the enemy object takes off into the air. Fershteen?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets April 7 2018 16: 35
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          Quote: groks
          With two trunks, this is one and a half times faster, or the number of one-time (!) Flown in and a half times more.

          If you simply naughty "in that direction", then faster, but if on purpose. request After the shot, the barrel should stabilize, what kind of aimed shooting can be discussed, if the self-propelled gun is swinging ??
          1. groks
            groks April 7 2018 17: 36
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            How FSE launched. Then it’s completely impossible to shoot from the tank in motion?
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 7 2018 17: 57
              +5
              Quote: groks
              Then it’s completely impossible to shoot from the tank in motion?

              The tank shoots (with movement) at targets in line of sight. Usually no further than 2-3 km.
              Coalition - up to 70 km.
              Feel the difference in accuracy requirements.
              And in general - throw nonsense to carry, it is impossible to read. Give him one and a half barrel, damn it negative
            2. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets April 7 2018 18: 00
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              Quote: groks
              Then it’s completely impossible to shoot from the tank in motion?

              What does the tank have to do with ?? belay Why not a crossbow? Or does the tank fire bursts ?? request Here you are, for clarity.
              1. groks
                groks April 7 2018 20: 00
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                With a stabilizer tank. And self-propelled guns with him. We must at least familiarize ourselves with the description of the weapon.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 7 2018 20: 09
                  +5
                  Quote: groks
                  With a stabilizer tank. And self-propelled guns with him

                  There is no weapon stabilizer on the self-propelled guns. Since self-propelled guns for firing in motion - not intended.
                  Quote: groks
                  We must at least get acquainted with the description of weapons

                  So go ... get acquainted yes
                  1. groks
                    groks April 8 2018 10: 04
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                    Well, and why do you think you're alone? laughing
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 8 2018 10: 14
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                      Quote: groks
                      Well, and why do you think you're alone?

                      Quote: groks
                      Trollism. We tie

                      Exactly yes
  14. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 7 2018 13: 43
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    Quote: MIKHAN
    It's a bit late .. We already need them .. on the borders of Russia!

    At the borders, just need Msta-s. New then pull up, if that ...
  15. 23rus
    23rus April 7 2018 14: 50
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    "Goddess of war"! laughing
  16. Old26
    Old26 April 7 2018 14: 51
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    Quote: K-50
    He who wants to do will do it, but he who does not wish will find a thousand reasons not to do it.

    There is such a "Talmud" for each system - called the "Test Program". And everything is not dumped there. If it is written in it that the installation must go off-road, for example 4000 km, then it will go through them. And this does not mean that right there she will shoot at the range at targets. "Flies - separately, cutlets - separately." Sea trials are sea trials and nothing more. And not in three crew shifts. A huge number of parameters are removed. checked theoretical calculations of "mean time between failures" and much more. Such tests are not only costly for financial reasons, but also in time. The installation should be tested in various climatic conditions, for example, in the desert and the Arctic. But this is in a “live queue”. And after testing in the same desert, no one will immediately transfer self-propelled guns to the Arctic. She will undergo a routine inspection first (at least). And here is not the situation as you say: He wants to - will do it, does not want to - will seek a reason. You just don’t need to break what has been built up over the years, and the test procedure has been worked out for years and decades.
    Yet again. The failure of any part of the machine does not mean that it will immediately be replaced and they will go on to test further. It is necessary to find out why this particular component failed, what are the reasons, etc.
    Sorry, that I’m telling trivial truths, but sometimes it’s wild to read when people very distant from trials start to resent the “durability” of terms.

    Quote: K-50
    Moreover, long-term tests ultimately increase the cost of production, because paying for two years of "landfill" or whatever they pay there, also not from your pocket, but from the budget. Though a bit, but more expensive.

    This is all laid down in the test program. Well, no one will, for example, release a plane on the first flight, but after, for example, conducting static tests for the destruction of a glider. Or put an engine that did not work out the hours laid down in the test program. Cost in this case is secondary. it’s better to "pay more" during the tests than later in the series to eliminate the "jambs" that were not noticed during the "accelerated tests"

    Quote: groks
    But then it was not the current cutter who was planned, but a really super-promising double-barreled shotgun.

    And the fact that this “double-barreled shotgun" has revealed some unavoidable "minuses" is nothing? Or the main thing is to have a "double-barreled shotgun"?
    1. AUL
      AUL April 7 2018 19: 52
      +1
      It is difficult to explain to people, to put it mildly, far from the design, production, implementation and operation of any new product (not necessarily iron) the whole complexity of this process! From the sofa it’s all simple - it’s ordered, it means invented, made and sent to the troops! And how this happens, on the couch does not care.
  17. Stena
    Stena April 7 2018 16: 02
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    Quote: assa67
    Stanislas hi
    Quote: Ascetic
    specialists need to be trained and trained by crews, among other things, statistics should be developed on various systems and much more

    no one argues that the whole range of measures is necessary ... but, in fact, the "Coalition" is not the first self-propelled guns in the Russian army, so there are achievements ... and it seems to me that the main reason for the not so quick introduction into serial production is financing ...

    Most likely the basis is the creation of production capacities and MTZ. And first of all - shells. Indeed, this system uses completely different shells (although the caliber is the same 152 mm) than on existing art. systems.