C-400 and "Shell-C1" combined into a single system. Shoot successfully

The Triumph C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems and the Pantsir-C1 anti-aircraft missile systems of the Central Military District (CER) for the first time reflected a massive missile attack by a conditional enemy at a tactical exercise held at the Ashuluk training ground in the Astrakhan region, the performing duties of the Head of the Air Defense Directorate of the 14 Army of the Air Force and Air Defense of the District, Colonel Gennady Schlag.

As part of the exercise, long-range air defense weapons C-400 were first combined into a single system with the Pantsir-C1 short-range complex. Under the leadership of one commander, they took up combat duty and managed to repel two massive missile strikes.

- he said.

C-400 calculations destroyed targets that simulated high-speed ballistic missiles, while Pantsir-S1 simultaneously destroyed low-altitude and small-sized targets, such as cruise missiles and assault enemy unmanned aerial vehicles, in an automated mode.

Together, the tandem forms a multilayered defense system, and even more so under the leadership of one commander

- said the colonel

The press service of the district added that the experiment was considered successful.

All targets were promptly detected, escorted and destroyed. The exercise was attended by representatives of defense plants.

- TASS leads the words of Gennady Schlag

Comments

[Meckajiuhe]

Oh, how it turned out.

[rocket757]

Mobile, effective air defense system.
This is already a real application for impenetrable shit!
Interestingly, sho can be added to them, on new principles, as they say \ dream?

[just exp]

why is it mobile? and the carapace and S-400 are air defense of stationary objects, and the army is S-300B *, beeches, tori, tunguska.
Or are you talking about the fact that they are moving? so most air defense systems are now moving themselves. only C-200 does not move (C-72 and 125 are still put on wheels)

[rocket757]

Self-propelled relocated to a new place, the deployment of identity without additional equipment!
They do not need anything extra transport.

[just exp]

and Patriot. Does Baraka, Taad, Sampt or other air defense systems need additional equipment? cannot relocate themselves?

[rocket757]

They can, so we don’t speak for them. What is the question then? By the way, nothing modern, so Schaub super duper at short \ medium distance, the Yankees do not show.
Self-propelled, such as the orders of the advancing troops? In the columns of troops on the march?
Everything is very fragmented in those, others have, but this is not a complete system. For quick cover up an important object, the accumulation of troops how?
Another concept, such as our aircraft will be !!! And there will be only her !!! And if not ???
Recently, their general groaned that there was nothing to cover the troops in the event of a collision with a SEVERNY enemy! This is their general!
So, our military air defense systems are simply not fully compared with anyone.
Stationary, which are network-centric, probably even the Jews do. And who else has it?

[alstr]

Mobile - means a short deployment time. Another S-300 was unfolding from the march in 5 minutes.
At the same time, the preparation of the complex itself is 2 minutes. The rest of the time is the topographic reference of the KP division and PU. Those. if the topographic location is automatic, then the time will be reduced by the time the complex itself is launched.

[okko077]

But aren't these issues resolved at the design stage? We have all systems fragmented and solitary ... We have no systematic work ... It has been going on for almost 20 years ... A complete parade of freaks .... A timid attempt to overcome the global lag, the global demand of the modern information revolution, is presented as a great achievement ... Dreams of ignorance, of limitation as the saying goes...

[alstr]

Yes, everything has already been decided on the S-300.
Nothing new has happened.

[Lord of the Sith]

So they are delivered to the Russian Air Forces and regiment S-400 (two divisions of 8 launchers each) and two battleships of S1 to each battalion, just four of the S-400 go to the S-1 regiment.

[rocket757]

Norm, it should be so. Unapproachable sky, it’s too early to say such a thing, but I want to be calm for that!
I’m joking when Shells go to the test site on their own! High units, along the route all self-made wires, not hung at the proper height, are collected !!!

[Alex777]

As part of the exercises, the S-400 long-range air defense systems were first integrated into a single system with the Pantsir-S1 short-range range.

It is not clear - the author wants to say that in Syria these complexes are not combined into one system? I doubt it very much.
This year promise Shell-SM. With a range (according to various sources) from 40 to 60 km and the possibility of hitting hypersonic missiles .. Here it will be a song.

[Shahno]

First, the system is not connected in Syria, and this marked the attack of unmanned junk ... Second, you can promise, but no children ...

[rocket757]

Moscow was not built in a day. There will be a system, people are working!

[Shahno]

In principle, I agree .... It's just that you are really going through the problems that you have solved. I wonder what will happen ... here the electronics steers, otherwise half of the interceptors would bring down false and safe targets. Intel is not for nothing that we have eggs, they smell something ...

[rocket757]

But how can I say, we have already solved these problems more than once ... the conditions are not ah, although from the technical point of view the possibilities are just super.
By the way, the conditions. not for our talented people !!! This is for those who, in general, steer this process, in particular!

[Parsec]

Quote: Shahno

It’s just that you’re really going through the problems that you solved

Having in service one brigade of military air defense, equipped with foreign weapons, proudly called the missile defense system, and a country of 400x80 km, and actually 200x70, with unlimited U.S. intelligence, you simply have not yet approached the problems that have already been solved in Russia.
Here's a rushing ex-compatriot ...

[Shahno]

Is that, comrade ...? Look at the composition of our complexes, it’s even accessible there .. Although I haven’t been on the wiki for a long time. Intelligence Whose Mossad? What is the connection with the states? Area is what, how is it connected ... We are planting potatoes ....

[Alex777]

... otherwise half of the interceptors would bring down false and safe targets.

What can you say about the launches of the Iron Dome rockets from machine-gun firing of Hamas?

[Shahno]

Yes, it’s kind of taken into account. Although the incident was ... Just deployed near Sderot .... There is more likely mortar fire in the desert. But in Ashkelon, the "forefront of hell" passed.

[venik]

Quote: Meckajiuhe

Oh, how it turned out.

==========
The news is kind of "so-so" .... But WHO UNDERSTANDS - That is how it should work "SYSTEM"!!!!!
Honestly, I was sure it was already worked out earlier .....
At least in Syria - if the S-400 were not “marked” as yet - their function is “fleet in being”, then “The Armor has long and effectively worked:

Of course, I’m not a fan of “Shell” - I prefer “Tor” to my liking, but not to note the high efficiency - my conscience simply does not allow me !!!

[Egorovich]

Such experiments in Hmeimim successfully worked out and work.

[okko077]

Yes, they successfully succumbed to Syria to the fullest ... There are no combat Information Systems, network-centric approaches are not even planned. Everywhere, instead of them, people are still slaughtered on the front lines, but in Ratnik and Sagittarius to die longer ... Hurray, we can defeat the partisans !!!

[just exp]

Well, air defense seems to have its own ACS. but there is certainly far from network-centricity.

[rocket757]

Well yes, this okko077 (Valery) straight from the headquarters of the videoconferencing information leaked.
The system is already being restored, significant nodes / zones are fully covered!
Fool_Chkov to check our air defense is not, unlike those, Schaub write all sorts of nonsense, such as we see are!
Where without them, at Schaub was fun!

[just exp]

the fact that the air defense system is dangerous does not mean that there is network-centricity like an aegis.

[rocket757]

SAM is slaughter. That says it all. They are connected by a single command system with aviation. Yes, all sorts of goats destroyed ... bad people, the system, but it is being restored ... the perimeter was turned off too, it was frozen, and now only a peep from behind the hill is heard!
Serious areas are completely closed, at the modern level. Further, to fully associate that sho is and that will be sho !!!
This is not from a massive nuclear strike. no one can restrain him. but tsuzuy aviation will not fly to us. Read how foreign analysts write on this topic and ask for VERY MUCH money, because nobody just has NO such thing, the Jews don’t count, they create territory with a gulkin nose, even sales in a geyropa ... the same defense nodes, united by a very conditional interaction.
We don’t have to talk about military air defense; everything is sour with them.
They hope that their aviation will dominate, only a question. - And it will be so ??? -
However, it’s really possible to take a look like this, the geyropa is not preparing for war at home; they are sure that no one will attack them! All squeals, tantrums for the sake of babosikov for his defense industry, nothing more!
We have a concept that they can attack, for many reasons and reasons.
I don’t know, nuclear weapons are such a serious argument, but you need to prepare for any.

[Genry]

Quote: okko077

network-centric approaches are not even planned.

You ran into this "network-centricity", although you yourself did not think whether it was good or bad.
In modern conditions of widespread use of electronic warfare, reliable communication channels can be deployed only on fiber-optic communication lines, i.e. only for stationary objects. When separated from such communication lines, there can be reliable communication only with the local ACS or KP. And all air defense systems have a unified connection interface. Therefore, it became possible to work together S-300-400 ... and Shell (you can add installations from other systems) with the separation of targets and protection zones.

[Shahno]

And well these wonderful miracles can. That all the bands will jam. And yours and strangers ... Or is it you more about the use of the TK ... It’s interesting, but if your bandwidth is constantly propped up on the left or on the right, what's next ... Will you switch to fiber optic?

[Genry]

Quote: Shahno

And well these wonderful miracles can. That all the bands will jam.

Jam only specific signals. As soon as the packet goes, they immediately hammer it, while there is not much power needed, it is important to kill synchronization.

Quote: Shahno

Switch to fiber optic?

Within a small area you can. As before, telephony was equipped ...

[SETTGF]

Synchronization just can not be destroyed ... the amplitude is large enough of all the signals! Yes, and electronic systems will not give and all interference will be cut off, and from long interference they will make short pulses and cut off ... Everything is not so easy!

[SETTGF]

Here you can add subtraction schemes after a period, as well as signal accumulation schemes and other electronic radar schemes and not only ...

[rocket757]

There are very stable communication systems that can hardly be drowned out, but their bandwidth is lower than the baseboard. Full exchange is not possible, brief commands are transmitted. Those. local "fighting brains" from min. coordination with "neighbors".

[SETTGF]

The most important thing for jamming means is to create not only interference in the "jamming" band, but a large level of this interference, which is sometimes not quite possible with a wide band ... and you can get a missile pointing at a noise (interference) source and having a memory. Here it is already necessary to apply tactical methods to combat such missiles.

[rocket757]

The shells in form, in combat worked ... good training and a request for revision, of course. With 400 in fact only on duty! They scared me away with one look! And it’s not a pity, because after their work serious things could be!

[assa67]

Victor, welcome

Quote: rocket757

Armor in form, in combat worked

they worked in Syria .. the mattress general, after the transfer of the "Shell" to our bases, vomited: "The increase in the number of Russian air defense systems in the region threatens our ability to dominate in the airspace ...."
and immediately again resumed contacts with our command in Syria "to avoid incidents between the aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the coalition"

[rocket757]

Hi Andrew
With stripes, everything is clear. If aviation doesn’t destroy everyone and everything, then there’s NO way to fight!
Because the fleet and aviation are always a priority!
Honestly, their air defense and other land in a complete brake, nothing new, nothing super duper at all!

[assa67]

because Rosoboronexport and run into, it is necessary somehow vtyuhivat their bullshit ..

[rocket757]

That's right, business, nothing personal. At the same time, their technology has long been dubious, hyped by TTX advertising, and it’s very expensive, because it’s done by the very, most!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Egorovich

Such experiments in Hmeimim successfully worked out and work.

Practical firing of the S-400 was not there.

[tchoni]

. Under the leadership of one commander, they took up combat duty and managed to repel two massive missile attacks

I’m wondering, the concept of “massive missile strike” is from two to 4 missiles in a wave, or a dozen of 3 each, how did it arrive at the Shairat?

[rocket757]

A subtle question, with the application .... probably economic feasibility in the destruction of a large number of material, not cheap means, also present.
I did not hear Schaub at least someone arranged the tests to the maximum ??? Now they are modeling, checking virtually!

[tchoni]

There is one wisdom on this score: "It is better to pour sweat on exercises than blood on war"

[rocket757]

Capitalism however, successful managers rule where it is not necessary.
Although, in principle, comp. modeling, a serious test, if everything is done at the proper level!

[tchoni]

Quote: rocket757

Capitalism however, successful managers rule where it is not necessary.
Although, in principle, comp. modeling, a serious test, if everything is done at the proper level!

Modeling and simulation can reduce the number of field trials, but not replace them. It’s better to spend fifty quarterly targets simulating cruise missiles (the consumption of which, by the way, creates jobs in high-tech sectors of the economy and stimulates the flow of capital there), than once in ten years it’s bitter to regret that the anti-aircraft gunners did not have the necessary experience and the air defense system organization system was consistent with the charter, and not with real combat goals and objectives.
It's like fighting accident rate in the Soviet Air Force before the war. There are many pilots, and only a few are able to fly and, most importantly, fight.

[rocket757]

Golden mean.
In my time, it always smelled of gunpowder from barrel systems with gunpowder!
Missile, at a lot of training and once, twice a year training firing.
Now they shoot enough. train too. They will not be helpless. Army prepare, study!

[WHO]

Add them to the group complex with a range of up to 100 km and cheap missiles

[san4es]

"Shell-C1" at the same time in an automated mode destroyed small and small targets

[Parsec]

Quote: Shahno

Area is what, how is it connected ... We are planting potatoes ....

(looks around victoriously. Nobody laughs in the hall.)
If you think that the area of ​​the covered object does not affect the effectiveness of the cover in any way, then do not rise above emotions - Write "I believe that ...". I don’t even “Believe ...”, because you can ask on what basis you believe, and faith is such a question ... intimate ...
Judging by the reference to Wikipedia and the question to the Mossad, you didn’t dig a single ear, but there were the same problems, we decided ...

[Shahno]

Do you equal the area of ​​the state with the area of ​​the object? About Mossad is a joke, don’t start like that. .tam and others suffice.

[Parsec]

Pfeh. You confuse something, I don’t get started on these filings.

[Shahno]

So one battery or 15?

[Parsec]

But it seems to you that the brigade, that the battery, there is no difference.
And I'm with him, like an adult.

[Hiller]

Organization of interaction is a great thing! Modeling the likely nature of enemy actions is very correct. There is no limit to perfection.

[sib.ataman]

Quote: rocket757

Norm, it should be so. Unapproachable sky, it’s too early to say such a thing, but I want to be calm for that!
I’m joking when Shells go to the test site on their own! High units, along the route all self-made wires, not hung at the proper height, are collected !!!

And I am “admired” by the high level of technical literacy of individual VO clients who shine with their erudition!

[rocket757]

Ha, what’s the problem, this is not an academic forum, talker who is what!
Do you want to teach? Litter!

[Shahno]

Well, like that, I imagine sat down again for the dissertation ... And I shine ...

[rocket757]

Glory to the Almighty, it seems no one thought of laying out a dissertation! Although the clippings are already being tortured to cram!
On the other hand, if you have something to say, portray the article \ topic and reap laurels!

[rtutaloe]

Well, what a surprise? The wiki says that the Shell is almost by default included in the S-400 complex. In Syria, they show their simultaneous landing and they have long been defending Khmeimim as part of the S-400. And then the news: "for the first time!" Well, nothing! By the way, this pair was not strong against self-made mines made of small gas cylinders. It’s expensive to shoot such missiles, but a cannon does not break the body of a cylinder of a flying self-made mine from a self-made mortar from some An-Nusra. Apparently to solve these problems and put into service combat lasers.

I inform the authors of such "hot" news a couple of unexpected discoveries: someone Putin became the president of Russia, it's time to find out who it is, google at your leisure. And even hotter: you live in Russia. Time to write regular "hot" opuses.

[rocket757]

Clarification - detonators in mines are sensitive, after platoon sales from shrapnel explode! Of course, if the ignition wicks do not burn there

[rtutaloe]

I won’t cite the links; what was shown to me was by no means exploded. And this is not a mine in a typical form, it is a gas bottle. As for the detonators, the initiating explosive should receive a sufficient energy pulse, which is unlikely to be transmitted to him through the sturdy case of the gas cylinder. In fact, this is a tank in flight, and the tanks do not explode from any hit. And by the way, the wicks have nothing to do with it, as a person familiar with drilling and blasting, I’ll say that the wick is only one way of communicating the energy of the explosive to the primary explosive. As for the detonator fuses, they also have a sensitivity not so weak, as evidenced by the fallen and unexploded ordnance of all wars of the past fifty years. Thus, you must either inform the fuse of the directional impulse so that it moves towards the primary explosive located in the detonator, or inform the primary explosive of sufficient impulse, and it is in the armored body of the gas cylinder; or inform the main explosive of an energy pulse comparable to the instantaneous power of the initiating explosive. And this is not possible in the case of the powder propulsion of the projectile, due to the incomparably low speed of the projectile driven by the powder, with the speed of the shock wave of the initiating explosive.

[rocket757]

Standard fuses are such a tricky thing ... self-righteousness doesn’t count, there could be anything, up to wicks.
And tell me, my dear man, why mortars are forbidden to put mortars under tree branches and what happened to those who neglected the instructions? The question is, it was necessary for the mine to snoop around with the fuse about anything hard, what will happen to the mine, if it splashes into the water ???
Ask any mortar man what instructions did they have?