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The debates will be subordinated to the military police.

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation settles the last formalities for the transfer of disciplinary battalions (in army slang - "diesel engines") to the subordination of the military police, according to News.




As told in the military department, the decision has already been made, now "departmental orders, directives and instructions are coordinated and approved, an organizational structure is being developed."

In the meantime, the organization of service in the "diesel engines" is still assigned to the commanders of military districts.

“The disciplinary battalion is a military unit. There, for further service, soldiers and sergeants convicted under criminal articles are sent. Personnel is divided into two types. The officers and soldiers of the guard company serve in the permanent, convicted servicemen in alternating conditions, ”the newspaper explains.

The number of convicts serving in each “diesel engine” cannot exceed 500 people. The maximum period of stay in the debate is two years. After serving a sentence, a soldier is not considered convicted.

According to the new documents, the military police will have to organize the protection of the territory, the armed escort of convicts to the places of economic work outside the battalion, convoy convicts to the place of punishment.

For the convicts themselves, little will change.

The order and the regime of the maintenance of soldiers in the battalion are established by the Criminal Executive Code of the Russian Federation, they have not been amended recently,
noted a member of the Russian lawyers association of law enforcement agencies "Guard" Oleg Zherdev.

It is quite logical that the “diesel engines” are subordinated to the military police. The activities of disbats do not exactly relate to the combat support of the troops. This is the most severe instrument of the punishment system in the army. Human rights activists are very interested that an independent structure should monitor the rule of law, including in such a place. Separation of powers is in any case an additional level of control,
Sergei Krivenko, head of the working group under the President of the Russian Federation on the development of civil society and human rights on the protection of the rights of servicemen, told the newspaper.
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JOURNAL / Alexey Mayshev
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  1. Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 6 2018 11: 01
    +5
    Serve one year, all conditions (not compare with the USSR Armed Forces). I do not understand how they manage to get into a disbat.
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov April 6 2018 11: 04
      +5
      If desired and lack of brains, easy. Just warm up a little meal in an APC
      1. Serge Gorely
        Serge Gorely April 6 2018 11: 10
        +10
        Another ape with friends of Americans. They created the military police. As the combat officers went to the garrison patrol, so they go ... But the general’s posts were drawn
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 6 2018 11: 21
          +4
          Opinion is better when guarding the permanent composition. This is not a guard and not the protection of especially important objects. But patrols still attract a different category of servicemen, especially on weekends and other non-working days. So it was, it will be so.
          1. Serge Gorely
            Serge Gorely April 6 2018 11: 30
            +2
            Quote: rocket757
            Opinion is better when guarding the permanent composition. This is not a guard and not the protection of especially important objects. But patrols still attract a different category of servicemen, especially on weekends and other non-working days. So it was, it will be so.

            VP and created with the aim of RELEASING combatant officers from unusual duties. And for the special guards it was possible to attract the former explosive (how is it now - Ross or the National Guard?).
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 April 6 2018 13: 07
              +1
              But the cops are given in vain. After all, who will be recruited to the military police? Former cops for sure.
              In the army, hazing will not be eradicated. And who will the police send to monitor the dysbats? Those who criminals "graze", of course. And from them the criminal orders in dysbats over hazing will be completely imposed.
              So we get a school of future criminals. And the most suitable contingent is either an aggressive antisocial type that cannot be held in society, or without brains (or two in one).
              1. sibiryk
                sibiryk April 6 2018 13: 43
                +4
                But the cops are given in vain. After all, who will be recruited to the military police? Former cops for sure.
                With what a fright of the former cops, in essence, the military police are former commandos, vaishniks, by the way, the cops have special ranks, and in the VP all are military personnel.
                1. odometer
                  odometer April 6 2018 16: 08
                  +2
                  In Kazakhstan, in the EaP, the majority moved from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, less work and hassle, more benefits and all sorts of preferences. I think the same in the Russian Federation.
                  1. sibiryk
                    sibiryk April 9 2018 10: 05
                    0
                    Quote: curvimeter
                    In Kazakhstan, in the EaP, the majority moved from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, less work and hassle, more benefits and all sorts of preferences. I think the same in the Russian Federation.

                    Igor hi , in vain you think so, I repeat, the VP is the same commandant’s office, just added to the commandant’s functionality some other functions that were previously performed by other federal executive bodies and military command and control bodies, for example, they were put into the staff of investigators (the military prosecutor’s office previously supervised this area).
                    1. odometer
                      odometer April 9 2018 13: 11
                      0
                      Well, what kind of a commandant’s office is. There is also a law on the air forces and the charter of the air forces, so everything is clearly spelled out there. Another thing that carries out curfew functions is that I agree.
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 April 6 2018 12: 32
          0
          Quote: Serge Gorely
          As military officers went to the garrison patrol, so they go ...

          and what does this have to do with Disbat belay
          1. Serge Gorely
            Serge Gorely April 6 2018 12: 48
            +1
            and what does this have to do with the "Disbat" belay

            Direct. First they created the VP, then we decide why they created it.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 April 6 2018 13: 10
              0
              Quote: Serge Gorely
              Direct. First they created the VP, then we decide why they created it.

              so the garrison patrol has nothing to do with disbath, not with the military police
              1. Serge Gorely
                Serge Gorely April 6 2018 13: 16
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                Quote: LSA57
                Quote: Serge Gorely
                Direct. First they created the VP, then we decide why they created it.

                so the garrison patrol has nothing to do with disbath, not with the military police

                Are you referring to the Charter? So in the Charter and the EP no. And they created the VP so that she, among other things, pulled the garrison.
      2. Sergey985
        Sergey985 April 6 2018 11: 23
        +3
        I have one fighter in my company at the post (in the fall it was), climbed into the cab of a truck with a bucket of diesel fuel. He threw rags in a bucket and set fire to it. Kraz completely burned out. The damage was estimated at 86 rubles (1986). Sorry, they didn’t send to the disbat. With a soldier's salary of 7 rubles on a three-ruble note subtracted. The car was new. On the burned frame from the decommissioned cars, the cab and body were stuck and put on the NZ. It’s good that the machine gun managed to grab when he jumped out of the blazing cab.
        1. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn April 6 2018 11: 28
          +5
          To get into a station worth several million, to bite out capacitors for 1500 rubles, than to bring it into complete disrepair. am
          But after serving and returning to serve, discipline itself and a walking charter. laughing
    2. siberalt
      siberalt April 6 2018 11: 22
      +1
      Who else would give the FSIN. Every year they “clean” it by almost 100%, but nothing changes. belay
    3. LSA57
      LSA57 April 6 2018 12: 30
      0
      Quote: Sergey985
      I do not understand how they manage to get into a disbat.

      popular wisdom says, "The pig always pours dirt"
    4. svp67
      svp67 April 6 2018 16: 31
      0
      Quote: Sergey985
      I do not understand how they manage to get into a disbat.

      Talented people...
  2. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 6 2018 11: 02
    +5
    tough thing

  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 6 2018 11: 02
    +6
    At school, we had a battalion commander, who at one time was a company commander in a disbath. Great guy, but with his own oddities. The transmission of the military police discords is logical and justified.
  4. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 6 2018 13: 23
    0
    Right, right! To the service of honey did not seem to either the police or dysbatniki! And then, on whom does the police train? Not on cats?
  5. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 6 2018 13: 25
    0
    Quote: Heterocapsa
    tough thing


    So they do not voluntarily send anyone into it!
    1. alavrin
      alavrin April 7 2018 15: 03
      0
      The ammo dealer still got off easily. Year, this is too little.
  6. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 6 2018 13: 34
    0
    Quote: siberalt
    Who else would give the FSIN. Every year they “clean” it by almost 100%, but nothing changes. belay

    Do not fantasize! Where so many volunteers to recruit the country?
  7. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 6 2018 13: 38
    0
    Quote: Sergey985
    I have one fighter in my company at the post (in the fall it was), climbed into the cab of a truck with a bucket of diesel fuel. He threw rags in a bucket and set fire to it. Kraz completely burned out. The damage was estimated at 86 rubles (1986). Sorry, they didn’t send to the disbat. With a soldier's salary of 7 rubles on a three-ruble note subtracted. The car was new. On the burned frame from the decommissioned cars, the cab and body were stuck and put on the NZ. It’s good that the machine gun managed to grab when he jumped out of the blazing cab.

    In dis.bat it was necessary to send fans, not a fighter! And the warrior had to be urgently transferred to the submariners - to control the supply to the household yard.
    1. Sergey985
      Sergey985 April 7 2018 10: 34
      0
      The regiment commander had two options: promotion and a new position in Moscow, or a fighter on a "diesel". Would you, in his place, that you chose?
  8. svp67
    svp67 April 6 2018 16: 32
    0
    The decision is quite logical.
  9. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson April 7 2018 03: 41
    0
    Both the "military police" are operetta, and the disbats are stupid.
    Why does the army have its own places of imprisonment (?). But only up to 2 years for some reason. More - you go to sit on a citizen.
    Absolutely illogical.
    And, meanwhile, real disputes are very necessary. Only they should become bodies corresponding to their name: disciplinary battalions. Those. to get there should not be convicted, but for gross violations of discipline. Well, let's say, a soldier repeatedly sent a commander obscenities, refused to obey orders (there are such). His - to the disciplinary commission and - to the disciplinary committee for a period of a month to six, say, where all constitutional rights end for him. Where does he have to return from with a model of discipline (see Workmate from Operation Y). Then the meaning of the disbates will become clear.
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