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Syrian experience: "Pantsir-С1" taught to shoot down missiles

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Russian experts have finished the Pantsir-С1 ZRPK following its use in Syria, reports RIA News the message of the commander of the air defense and missile defense of Viktor Gumyonny.




A striking example of the successful work of our defense industry to account for the experience of hostilities in Syria is the refinement of the Pantsir complex. As a result, the complex became capable of destroying not only airplanes and UAVs, but also missiles with which the terrorists periodically tried to fire at the Khmeymim airbase,
told the Humane.

He noted that all samples of weapons and military equipment of air defense, used in Syria, "confirmed in practice the specified tactical and technical characteristics, high reliability and proved the possibility and convenience of maintenance in difficult climatic conditions."

OPK specialists clarified the list of maintenance measures and modifications of existing samples. weapons and technology. As a result, their reliability increased by at least 15 percent, the commander added.

Recall ZRPK 96K6 "Pantsir-С1" - ground-based anti-aircraft missile-gun complex, developed by the Tula Instrument Design Bureau (includes NPO "High-precision complexes"). The ZRPK is intended “for close cover of military and civilian objects, including long-range air defense systems, from all modern and prospective means of air attack,” can also cover protected objects from ground and surface threats.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 6 2018 10: 24
    +8
    "Shell" is of course a success. But the main thing is not to stop in its development, it should always be ahead of the means of air attack of our probable opponents.
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr April 6 2018 10: 28
      +2
      A promising statement. Which is very pleasing.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother April 6 2018 10: 38
        +6
        Quote: oleg-gr
        A promising statement.

        This is not even news.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas April 6 2018 10: 55
          +1
          Quote: Gray Brother
          This is not even news.



          So is that, for every shell and cylinder spends a rocket?
          And guns for what?
          So there aren’t enough missiles and they are not comparable in price
          1. Gray brother
            Gray brother April 6 2018 11: 02
            +10
            Quote: bulvas
            So there aren’t enough missiles and they are not comparable in price

            If this shell hits your head, then your opinion about the price will change dramatically.
            The guns have too little time to defeat the object, and they are imprisoned on targets no smaller than the KR - a weapon of last chance.
            1. Leeds
              Leeds April 6 2018 11: 18
              +2
              What is more expensive, a Shell or Su-35 rocket, next to which a blank will explode?
              1. just exp
                just exp April 6 2018 11: 21
                +3
                and what does the person say with the phrase "If this shell hits you on the head, then your opinion about the price will change dramatically"?
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas April 6 2018 11: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: just EXPL
                  and what does the person say with the phrase "If this shell hits you on the head, then your opinion about the price will change dramatically"?


                  that he is the smartest

                  and also the fact that he is not interested in questions, but only his answers


                  1. g16.ru
                    g16.ru April 6 2018 12: 38
                    +3
                    Quote: bulvas


                    that he is the smartest

                    and also the fact that he is not interested in questions, but only his answers


                    No, dear.
                    This is a sign that you never fell into your head and didn’t fly by with the opposite sounds.
                    Another couch general.
                    1. Shurik70
                      Shurik70 April 6 2018 12: 54
                      +2
                      If the projectile can be shot down with a machine gun, then, of course, it is necessary to shoot down with a machine gun.
                      The Carapace has a 30mm anti-aircraft gun with a rate of 5000 rounds per minute. It’s possible to shoot down precisely from such a projectile; the problem is automatic guidance. This seems to have been dealt with.
                      1. Gray brother
                        Gray brother April 6 2018 13: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Shurik70
                        It’s possible to shoot down precisely from such a projectile, the problem is in automatic aiming

                        It is hardly possible. There are exactly the same guns as on the "Tunguska".
                      2. just exp
                        just exp April 6 2018 14: 05
                        0
                        It is hardly possible. There are exactly the same guns as on the "Tunguska".

                        but the SLA will also be newer.
                        there was a video where they got into a shallow drone with a gun.
                        but there the drone hung. and the shell flies with a fucking speed.
                        so the shell is unlikely.
                        but in the rocket MLRS, in principle, it can.
        2. Bully
          Bully April 6 2018 16: 11
          0
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Quote: oleg-gr
          A promising statement.

          This is not even news.

          I noticed that the consumption of missiles for the elimination of the RQ-21A drone amounted to 3 pcs., And rockets shot down 1 missiles, although the speed of the UAV is an order of magnitude lower than the speed of a missile. What is the reason for this? UAVs have electronic warfare equipment that takes away missiles?
          1. Shahno
            Shahno April 6 2018 16: 17
            0
            Well, firstly, the Zur are not shot down like that, somewhere there is a couple on the target. And secondly, low speed, and interference from the UAV is a very difficult task precisely for the air defense system.
            1. SETTGF
              SETTGF April 6 2018 22: 42
              0
              I can’t agree with you ... Imagine what the power of the UAV supply device should be when creating a high level of electronic warfare interference and what size such UAV should be ?! And most importantly, GOS anti-aircraft missiles are different ... they are not easy to drown out interference!
          2. svp67
            svp67 April 6 2018 17: 16
            0
            Quote: Bully
            UAVs have electronic warfare equipment that takes away missiles?

            No, but they have more composites and they are not so visible, especially in IR mode
        3. venik
          venik April 6 2018 18: 43
          0
          Quote: Gray Brother
          This is not even news.

          ======
          From the language "removed" !!! Wow! I wanted to put the same picture !!! (+ !!!)
    2. just exp
      just exp April 6 2018 10: 30
      +4
      so they improve it, soon the armor-cm should come out, there both the range is up to 40 km and the speed of SAM will be higher.
      1. ul_vitalii
        ul_vitalii April 6 2018 10: 33
        +10
        The last frontier of defense is air defense, so to speak, a cleaner.
        1. just exp
          just exp April 6 2018 10: 35
          +5
          the last frontier was supposed to be a morpheus, but so far there was silence on it.
    3. Maz
      Maz April 6 2018 10: 46
      +1
      Here you have the iron Russian bale, ten times cheaper, and a hundred times more mobile.
      1. just exp
        just exp April 6 2018 10: 48
        +1
        that's what is cheaper is a fact, the Israeli system emnip the price of missiles about 100 thousand bucks. Our emnip about 20 thousand bucks.
        Well, mobility, yes, we have better. more precisely, we have it.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno April 6 2018 12: 13
          0
          She and we have .. mobility. Or do you think we constantly keep batteries under Ashkelon .. As far as I understand, the price is 2 times lower than what you indicated, the data is somewhat old. It remains to find out the effectiveness and remove the pink glasses.
          1. venik
            venik April 6 2018 18: 48
            +4
            Quote: Shahno
            It remains to find out the effectiveness and remove the pink glasses.

            ========
            As for efficiency - see the photo posted above by "Gray Brother" ..... If you have questions - I can repeat with high resolution .....
            PS Well, tell me, where did your people come from, such confidence that YOU ARE SMARTER OF ALL ????? What is ALL yours - BEST ???
    4. siberalt
      siberalt April 6 2018 10: 58
      0
      Now we will sell these complexes to those who pay more, and what will happen to our MLRS? belay
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 6 2018 11: 23
        +2
        If proven, then this is gut. And rightly so, forward to new goals and high performance characteristics!
      2. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU April 6 2018 14: 23
        0
        The Emirates have already paid the most for this crap, on whose money and thanks to whose patience it arose. 50 sets bought.
        Why is the VKS, ask current officers. In the presence of Tunguska, with the same art. part, but missiles with full-fledged two stages, separated by an accelerator, overload of 35 g? In comparison with the guided shell of the Shell, a blank with a powder accelerator working the first 800 meters. Next is neither maneuverability nor speed. The performance characteristics have not been confirmed, for this missile, the target speed of more than 400 m / s did not win, and even then on the opposite course. What is there to settle down.
  2. Teberii
    Teberii April 6 2018 10: 25
    0
    Practice is much more important than theory; to apply and modify it is important.
  3. newcomer
    newcomer April 6 2018 10: 28
    +4
    detect and destroy a missile_this is not a joke, well done, no words.
    1. stariy
      stariy April 6 2018 10: 37
      +3
      still art shells taught to shoot down ...
      1. newcomer
        newcomer April 6 2018 11: 05
        +1
        Nowadays, everything is possible, judging by the technology produced by our defense industry. but then again, with a massive blow, and even with their love of dispersal, I don’t know how many Shells are needed. Yes and whether it is necessary?
        1. seal78
          seal78 April 6 2018 13: 03
          0
          In fact, the area around the base is guarded; in principle, there cannot be a massive strike tm.
  4. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 6 2018 10: 31
    +8
    The carapace generally turned out to be a good machine with a huge modernization potential. He would also have shells with a remote fuse and drones would be strewed with greater efficiency.
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii April 6 2018 10: 37
      +8
      Hello Victor hi It is especially pleasing that it can also work out effectively in motion.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD April 6 2018 10: 52
        +4
        Hi Vitaliy! Nowadays, there is no way without the mobility of weapons, and the ability to fire on the move is an uncontested requirement for guarding the convoy. If you stop, it means sticking your head in a loop yourself.
      2. just exp
        just exp April 6 2018 10: 56
        +1
        the carapace of the movement does not seem to work, only Thor can.
        1. Alexanast
          Alexanast April 6 2018 11: 16
          +4
          Quote: just explo
          the carapace from the movement does not seem to work


          It works, and with guns and rockets.
          1. just exp
            just exp April 6 2018 11: 22
            +1
            this is good, because I recently read about Thor. they described that it was the only type of air defense system that could work in motion, but I didn’t read about that.
            I'm glad that I was wrong.
            1. Alexanast
              Alexanast April 6 2018 11: 27
              +3
              Yes, the network is full of videos and interviews with the creators.
              But the one who does nothing is not mistaken hi
    2. just exp
      just exp April 6 2018 10: 38
      +10
      for UAVs, it has special missiles, reduced, there are 4 missiles for UAVs in one guide
      upper right corner in the picture
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter April 6 2018 10: 42
        +5
        Quote: just explo
        for UAVs he has special missiles, reduced, there are 4 missiles in one guide

        While I was looking for a suitable picture, you have already posted it. good hi
      2. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD April 6 2018 10: 49
        +5
        Of course, I heard about the “nails” for the Shell, but a remotely detonated shell for guns would not be superfluous. The question, after all, is not even to bring down the UAV, but to find the cheapest and most effective way for this. And this is an important task in the context of the constant increase in various UAVs on the battlefield and their upcoming "swarm use. Of course, the cost of such a projectile and its use is very important. But testing all possible methods of fighting drones is simply necessary, otherwise sooner or later you will have to" shoot from the gun by sparrows "And from a very expensive" gun "for very inexpensive, but effective" sparrows "
        1. Comrade Beria
          Comrade Beria April 6 2018 11: 14
          +3
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          But testing out all possible methods of fighting drones is simply necessary, otherwise sooner or later you will have to "shoot from the cannon at the sparrows" And from a very expensive cannon at very inexpensive but effective "sparrows"


          Colleague, in war, you should not take into account only the ratio of the cost of the means of attack and means of defense. It is also necessary to take into account that possible damage from the means of attack. Then the use of expensive remedies will not seem "wasteful."

          And missiles of the Katyusha type were shot down from the AK-630 back in the distant 70s.
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD April 6 2018 11: 20
            +3
            Quote: Comrade Beria
            and war should not take into account only the ratio of the cost of the means of attack and means of defense.

            In the war, Lavrenty Palych, smile Of course, it’s not worthwhile, but in peacetime itself, and look for such ways. And in the war it’s too late - you have to fight there with what you have and what you created and saved up in peacetime. As for Lavrenty Palych .. don’t be offended .. it's just a joke without any sarcasm or irony ..
            1. Comrade Beria
              Comrade Beria April 6 2018 12: 15
              0
              Quote: KVU-NSVD
              As for Lavrenty Palych .. don’t be offended .. it's just a joke without any sarcasm or irony ..

              Yes, I’ve been going to Beria for thirty years, I saw one joker in the name Ber .... I.Ya. so it went.

              In the world I am Igor Yakovlevich.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 6 2018 11: 29
          +2
          Quote: KVU-NSVD
          remotely detonated projectile for guns would not be superfluous.

          Somehow, a message “sounded” that an 23-mm fragmentation-beam projectile was being developed for the very common ZU-23-2 missile defense system ... 30-mm artillery projectile (fragmentation-beam) would be much more effective!
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD April 6 2018 11: 36
            +2
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            There was a "message somehow that a 23-mm fragmentation-beam projectile was being developed for the very common ZU-23-2 for fighting drones ... A 30-mm artillery projectile (fragmentation-beam) would be much more effective


            Well, the question here is not so much to create such a projectile, but also to make it so cheap that a line of them (for example, 3-4 pieces) is noticeably cheaper than the cheapest SAM, otherwise the presence of such a projectile loses a fair share of meaning. I hope the work is underway. hi :
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 6 2018 13: 21
              +2
              Quote: KVU-NSVD
              the question is not so much how to create such a shell, but also to make it so cheap that the line of them (for example 3-4pcs) is noticeably cheaper than the cheapest SAM

              Once they develop, it means they hope! And cheap ... expensive ...... It's "relatively relative" ... Pricing issues .... Type: where microchips of their own production will cost "more / less" ... in Japan or Russia? For the production of precision weapons in Russia is it more profitable to organize the production of electronics or buy electronics? Etc. ,etc.....
      3. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 April 6 2018 11: 04
        0
        It seems to be only in perspective. Or not?
        1. Comrade Beria
          Comrade Beria April 6 2018 13: 53
          0
          here is the news of 2015
          https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503291
          027-casm.htm
          Russian scientists have developed a smart sight, which has learned to remotely control the time of undermining a projectile. The electronic brain itself determines where it is better to detonate ammunition when approaching a target in order to inflict more damage to the enemy.
    3. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz April 6 2018 10: 46
      +1
      In general, I definitely agree. But in the context of the article, an idea came up. Single rockets are one thing, and another Grad volley of multiple launch rockets is another. Probably all the same. In this direction I would work.
      1. just exp
        just exp April 6 2018 10: 57
        0
        There are 4 control channels for everything, so it certainly won’t do it, but Morpheus had to work out that, but still there are only 36 missiles, so even there is a problem.
      2. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD April 6 2018 11: 00
        +4
        Yeah ... a volley is a volley .. And a volley of MLRS is generally hell on earth .. It can only be resisted by a comparable density of "anti-volley" in an air defense system, but it is almost impossible to achieve such a concentration of air defense in the right section. From volley fire only alternative types of ammunition (EMP) can help, but they only help against shells stuffed with electronics. Against a volley, only a miracle or destruction of an enemy battery helps with the usual “cast iron”.
        1. just exp
          just exp April 6 2018 11: 03
          +1
          Mercury BM? ...
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz April 6 2018 11: 21
            +1
            For homing or guided missiles. She is a brain blank brainless. We are waiting for the creation of energy protective fields laughing
            1. just exp
              just exp April 6 2018 12: 17
              0
              no . she is against radio fuses in artillery shells and rockets of the MLRS.
  5. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 6 2018 15: 39
    0
    That's right, military equipment is checked only in real databases, and of course it is constantly being improved ...
  6. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 6 2018 15: 40
    0
    Quote: g16.ru
    Quote: bulvas


    that he is the smartest

    and also the fact that he is not interested in questions, but only his answers


    No, dear.
    This is a sign that you never fell into your head and didn’t fly by with the opposite sounds.
    Another couch general.

    sofa expert
  7. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 6 2018 15: 41
    0
    Quote: just EXPL
    Mercury BM? ...

    Including!
  8. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 6 2018 15: 48
    0
    Quote: Hagalaz
    In general, I definitely agree. But in the context of the article, an idea came up. Single rockets are one thing, and another Grad volley of multiple launch rockets is another. Probably all the same. In this direction I would work.

    It is unlikely that someone would bother for one PC. After all, it is said, taking into account the experience in Syria. There it was not productive to work as single-handed RSs, and even a counter-battery salvo could fly into. So, we are talking about a volley and its neutralization, as I understand it.
  9. Nikita Shustov
    Nikita Shustov April 7 2018 06: 13
    0
    Wonderful machine, no one has it. In Syria, they attacked with drones, so the rebovites asked them to leave something for training.
  10. Santos
    Santos April 7 2018 14: 10
    0
    The carapace is good. This is where you need to think about covering these systems with work on the ground. These issues should be dealt with by operational groups and special forces that exist for these objects. It is foolish to assume that air defense systems intercept everything. It is necessary to move those who can strike from defense systems. for it is NECESSARY to work on earth !!
  11. Santos
    Santos April 7 2018 14: 12
    0
    And not one air defense can not provide a 100% result !! Current joint actions can bring it closer.
  12. TimurEkgardt
    TimurEkgardt April 9 2018 12: 25
    0
    And on the 7th, rockets landed successfully in Homs.