Syrian experience: "Pantsir-С1" taught to shoot down missiles

Russian experts have finished the Pantsir-С1 ZRPK following its use in Syria, reports RIA News the message of the commander of the air defense and missile defense of Viktor Gumyonny.

A vivid example of the successful work of our defense industry in taking into account the experience of military operations in Syria is the refinement of the Pantsir complex. As a result, the complex became capable of destroying not only aircraft and Drones, but also the rockets with which the terrorists periodically tried to fire at the Khmeimim air base,

told the Humane.

He noted that all samples of weapons and military equipment of air defense, used in Syria, "confirmed in practice the specified tactical and technical characteristics, high reliability and proved the possibility and convenience of maintenance in difficult climatic conditions."

OPK specialists clarified the list of maintenance measures and modifications of existing samples. weapons and technology. As a result, their reliability increased by at least 15 percent, the commander added.

Recall ZRPK 96K6 "Pantsir-С1" - ground-based anti-aircraft missile-gun complex, developed by the Tula Instrument Design Bureau (includes NPO "High-precision complexes"). The ZRPK is intended “for close cover of military and civilian objects, including long-range air defense systems, from all modern and prospective means of air attack,” can also cover protected objects from ground and surface threats.

Comments

[svp67]

"Shell" is of course a success. But the main thing is not to stop in its development, it should always be ahead of the means of air attack of our probable opponents.

[oleg-gr]

A promising statement. Which is very pleasing.

[Gray brother]

Quote: oleg-gr

A promising statement.

This is not even news.

[bulvas]

Quote: Gray Brother

This is not even news.

So is that, for every shell and cylinder spends a rocket?
And guns for what?
So there aren’t enough missiles and they are not comparable in price

[Gray brother]

Quote: bulvas

So there aren’t enough missiles and they are not comparable in price

If this shell hits your head, then your opinion about the price will change dramatically.
The guns have too little time to defeat the object, and they are imprisoned on targets no smaller than the KR - a weapon of last chance.

[Leeds]

What is more expensive, a Shell or Su-35 rocket, next to which a blank will explode?

[just exp]

and what does the person say with the phrase "If this shell hits you on the head, then your opinion about the price will change dramatically"?

[bulvas]

Quote: just EXPL

and what does the person say with the phrase "If this shell hits you on the head, then your opinion about the price will change dramatically"?

that he is the smartest

and also the fact that he is not interested in questions, but only his answers

[g16.ru]

Quote: bulvas

that he is the smartest

and also the fact that he is not interested in questions, but only his answers

No, dear.
This is a sign that you never fell into your head and didn’t fly by with the opposite sounds.
Another couch general.

[Shurik70]

If the projectile can be shot down with a machine gun, then, of course, it is necessary to shoot down with a machine gun.
The Carapace has a 30mm anti-aircraft gun with a rate of 5000 rounds per minute. It’s possible to shoot down precisely from such a projectile; the problem is automatic guidance. This seems to have been dealt with.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Shurik70

It’s possible to shoot down precisely from such a projectile, the problem is in automatic aiming

It is hardly possible. There are exactly the same guns as on the "Tunguska".

[just exp]

It is hardly possible. There are exactly the same guns as on the "Tunguska".

but the SLA will also be newer.
there was a video where they got into a shallow drone with a gun.
but there the drone hung. and the shell flies with a fucking speed.
so the shell is unlikely.
but in the rocket MLRS, in principle, it can.

[Bully]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: oleg-gr

A promising statement.

This is not even news.

I noticed that the consumption of missiles for the elimination of the RQ-21A drone amounted to 3 pcs., And rockets shot down 1 missiles, although the speed of the UAV is an order of magnitude lower than the speed of a missile. What is the reason for this? UAVs have electronic warfare equipment that takes away missiles?

[Shahno]

Well, firstly, the Zur are not shot down like that, somewhere there is a couple on the target. And secondly, low speed, and interference from the UAV is a very difficult task precisely for the air defense system.

[SETTGF]

I can’t agree with you ... Imagine what the power of the UAV supply device should be when creating a high level of electronic warfare interference and what size such UAV should be ?! And most importantly, GOS anti-aircraft missiles are different ... they are not easy to drown out interference!

[svp67]

Quote: Bully

UAVs have electronic warfare equipment that takes away missiles?

No, but they have more composites and they are not so visible, especially in IR mode

[venik]

Quote: Gray Brother

This is not even news.

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From the language "removed" !!! Wow! I wanted to put the same picture !!! (+ !!!)

[just exp]

so they improve it, soon the armor-cm should come out, there both the range is up to 40 km and the speed of SAM will be higher.

[ul_vitalii]

The last frontier of defense is air defense, so to speak, a cleaner.

[just exp]

the last frontier was supposed to be a morpheus, but so far there was silence on it.

[Maz]

Here you have the iron Russian bale, ten times cheaper, and a hundred times more mobile.

[just exp]

that's what is cheaper is a fact, the Israeli system emnip the price of missiles about 100 thousand bucks. Our emnip about 20 thousand bucks.
Well, mobility, yes, we have better. more precisely, we have it.

[Shahno]

She and we have .. mobility. Or do you think we constantly keep batteries under Ashkelon .. As far as I understand, the price is 2 times lower than what you indicated, the data is somewhat old. It remains to find out the effectiveness and remove the pink glasses.

[venik]

Quote: Shahno

It remains to find out the effectiveness and remove the pink glasses.

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As for efficiency - see the photo posted above by "Gray Brother" ..... If you have questions - I can repeat with high resolution .....
PS Well, tell me, where did your people come from, such confidence that YOU ARE SMARTER OF ALL ????? What is ALL yours - BEST ???

[siberalt]

Now we will sell these complexes to those who pay more, and what will happen to our MLRS?

[rocket757]

If proven, then this is gut. And rightly so, forward to new goals and high performance characteristics!

[KVIRTU]

The Emirates have already paid the most for this crap, on whose money and thanks to whose patience it arose. 50 sets bought.
Why is the VKS, ask current officers. In the presence of Tunguska, with the same art. part, but missiles with full-fledged two stages, separated by an accelerator, overload of 35 g? In comparison with the guided shell of the Shell, a blank with a powder accelerator working the first 800 meters. Next is neither maneuverability nor speed. The performance characteristics have not been confirmed, for this missile, the target speed of more than 400 m / s did not win, and even then on the opposite course. What is there to settle down.

[Teberii]

Practice is much more important than theory; to apply and modify it is important.

[newcomer]

detect and destroy a missile_this is not a joke, well done, no words.

[stariy]

still art shells taught to shoot down ...

[newcomer]

Nowadays, everything is possible, judging by the technology produced by our defense industry. but then again, with a massive blow, and even with their love of dispersal, I don’t know how many Shells are needed. Yes and whether it is necessary?

[seal78]

In fact, the area around the base is guarded; in principle, there cannot be a massive strike tm.

[KVU-NSVD]

The carapace generally turned out to be a good machine with a huge modernization potential. He would also have shells with a remote fuse and drones would be strewed with greater efficiency.

[ul_vitalii]

Hello Victor It is especially pleasing that it can also work out effectively in motion.

[KVU-NSVD]

Hi Vitaliy! Nowadays, there is no way without the mobility of weapons, and the ability to fire on the move is an uncontested requirement for guarding the convoy. If you stop, it means sticking your head in a loop yourself.

[just exp]

the carapace of the movement does not seem to work, only Thor can.

[Alexanast]

Quote: just explo

the carapace from the movement does not seem to work

It works, and with guns and rockets.

[just exp]

this is good, because I recently read about Thor. they described that it was the only type of air defense system that could work in motion, but I didn’t read about that.
I'm glad that I was wrong.

[Alexanast]

Yes, the network is full of videos and interviews with the creators.
But the one who does nothing is not mistaken

[just exp]

for UAVs, it has special missiles, reduced, there are 4 missiles for UAVs in one guide
upper right corner in the picture

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: just explo

for UAVs he has special missiles, reduced, there are 4 missiles in one guide

While I was looking for a suitable picture, you have already posted it.

[KVU-NSVD]

Of course, I heard about the “nails” for the Shell, but a remotely detonated shell for guns would not be superfluous. The question, after all, is not even to bring down the UAV, but to find the cheapest and most effective way for this. And this is an important task in the context of the constant increase in various UAVs on the battlefield and their upcoming "swarm use. Of course, the cost of such a projectile and its use is very important. But testing all possible methods of fighting drones is simply necessary, otherwise sooner or later you will have to" shoot from the gun by sparrows "And from a very expensive" gun "for very inexpensive, but effective" sparrows "

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

But testing out all possible methods of fighting drones is simply necessary, otherwise sooner or later you will have to "shoot from the cannon at the sparrows" And from a very expensive cannon at very inexpensive but effective "sparrows"

Colleague, in war, you should not take into account only the ratio of the cost of the means of attack and means of defense. It is also necessary to take into account that possible damage from the means of attack. Then the use of expensive remedies will not seem "wasteful."

And missiles of the Katyusha type were shot down from the AK-630 back in the distant 70s.

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Comrade Beria

and war should not take into account only the ratio of the cost of the means of attack and means of defense.

In the war, Lavrenty Palych, Of course, it’s not worthwhile, but in peacetime itself, and look for such ways. And in the war it’s too late - you have to fight there with what you have and what you created and saved up in peacetime. As for Lavrenty Palych .. don’t be offended .. it's just a joke without any sarcasm or irony ..

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

As for Lavrenty Palych .. don’t be offended .. it's just a joke without any sarcasm or irony ..

Yes, I’ve been going to Beria for thirty years, I saw one joker in the name Ber .... I.Ya. so it went.

In the world I am Igor Yakovlevich.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

remotely detonated projectile for guns would not be superfluous.

Somehow, a message “sounded” that an 23-mm fragmentation-beam projectile was being developed for the very common ZU-23-2 missile defense system ... 30-mm artillery projectile (fragmentation-beam) would be much more effective!

[KVU-NSVD]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

There was a "message somehow that a 23-mm fragmentation-beam projectile was being developed for the very common ZU-23-2 for fighting drones ... A 30-mm artillery projectile (fragmentation-beam) would be much more effective

Well, the question here is not so much to create such a projectile, but also to make it so cheap that a line of them (for example, 3-4 pieces) is noticeably cheaper than the cheapest SAM, otherwise the presence of such a projectile loses a fair share of meaning. I hope the work is underway. :

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: KVU-NSVD

the question is not so much how to create such a shell, but also to make it so cheap that the line of them (for example 3-4pcs) is noticeably cheaper than the cheapest SAM

Once they develop, it means they hope! And cheap ... expensive ...... It's "relatively relative" ... Pricing issues .... Type: where microchips of their own production will cost "more / less" ... in Japan or Russia? For the production of precision weapons in Russia is it more profitable to organize the production of electronics or buy electronics? Etc. ,etc.....

[Vladivostok1969]

It seems to be only in perspective. Or not?

[Comrade Beria]

here is the news of 2015
https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201503291
027-casm.htm
Russian scientists have developed a smart sight, which has learned to remotely control the time of undermining a projectile. The electronic brain itself determines where it is better to detonate ammunition when approaching a target in order to inflict more damage to the enemy.

[Hagalaz]

In general, I definitely agree. But in the context of the article, an idea came up. Single rockets are one thing, and another Grad volley of multiple launch rockets is another. Probably all the same. In this direction I would work.

[just exp]

There are 4 control channels for everything, so it certainly won’t do it, but Morpheus had to work out that, but still there are only 36 missiles, so even there is a problem.

[KVU-NSVD]

Yeah ... a volley is a volley .. And a volley of MLRS is generally hell on earth .. It can only be resisted by a comparable density of "anti-volley" in an air defense system, but it is almost impossible to achieve such a concentration of air defense in the right section. From volley fire only alternative types of ammunition (EMP) can help, but they only help against shells stuffed with electronics. Against a volley, only a miracle or destruction of an enemy battery helps with the usual “cast iron”.

[just exp]

Mercury BM? ...

[Hagalaz]

For homing or guided missiles. She is a brain blank brainless. We are waiting for the creation of energy protective fields

[just exp]

no . she is against radio fuses in artillery shells and rockets of the MLRS.

[Alexey-74]

That's right, military equipment is checked only in real databases, and of course it is constantly being improved ...

[sib.ataman]

Quote: g16.ru

Quote: bulvas

that he is the smartest

and also the fact that he is not interested in questions, but only his answers

No, dear.
This is a sign that you never fell into your head and didn’t fly by with the opposite sounds.
Another couch general.

sofa expert

[sib.ataman]

Quote: just EXPL

Mercury BM? ...

Including!

[sib.ataman]

Quote: Hagalaz

In general, I definitely agree. But in the context of the article, an idea came up. Single rockets are one thing, and another Grad volley of multiple launch rockets is another. Probably all the same. In this direction I would work.

It is unlikely that someone would bother for one PC. After all, it is said, taking into account the experience in Syria. There it was not productive to work as single-handed RSs, and even a counter-battery salvo could fly into. So, we are talking about a volley and its neutralization, as I understand it.

[Nikita Shustov]

Wonderful machine, no one has it. In Syria, they attacked with drones, so the rebovites asked them to leave something for training.

[Santos]

The carapace is good. This is where you need to think about covering these systems with work on the ground. These issues should be dealt with by operational groups and special forces that exist for these objects. It is foolish to assume that air defense systems intercept everything. It is necessary to move those who can strike from defense systems. for it is NECESSARY to work on earth !!

[Santos]

And not one air defense can not provide a 100% result !! Current joint actions can bring it closer.

[TimurEkgardt]

And on the 7th, rockets landed successfully in Homs.