Military Review

Kiev did not leave Moscow a choice. Consensus on the verge of fiction

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Already in May, the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will reformat the punitive operation in the Donbas into an “operation of the combined forces” with all the ensuing consequences



The last four years have been very difficult and tense both for Russian politicians and for us. And it’s not yet necessary to expect any enlightenment, stabilization or at least temporary normalization in relations with our unstable neighbors and their Western curators on key geopolitical issues. By signing the list of points of the “Minsk Agreements”, as well as taking the most fair side in the framework of the “Norman format”, official Moscow gave the current illegitimate regime “Square” a unique chance to demonstrate its ability to negotiate and begin some kind of peace negotiations. settlement of the situation in the Donbas theater of operations. Additional guarantors that have all the diplomatic and economic levers of influence on Poroshenko and his entourage are France and Germany. But their participation in the hastily grounded four-sided diplomatic group did not lead to anything stable and long-term, since both Paris and Berlin are notorious heralds of Washington's ideas and postulates. Such a conclusion can be drawn against the background of a common position with the United States and the United Kingdom on the case of poisoning in Salisbury, as well as on other clearly marked signs.

A clear strategy of the West to undermine Russia's defense capability in the western strategic direction and an attempt to weaken it economically have today become absolutely integral and unshakable points of any decisions made in the parliaments and defense structures of NATO member states regarding Moscow. In view of this, today we are witnessing the predominance in the Ukrainian General Staff, as well as at the top of Poroshenko, of the ideas of conducting a punitive operation against the republics in the near future. This entire pre-escalation epic does not end with ideas alone. Over the last quarter, the Ukrainian side, both at the legislative and military-technical levels, has taken all measures to implement offensive actions in several operational directions at once. First, it was the adoption of the sensational bill No. 7163 "On the reintegration of Donbass" on January 18, 2018, which provides for a military operation against the young republics bypassing the "Minsk-2" that has lost its practical significance, then an active transfer to Mariupol and Volnovakha (to Telmanovsky ON) additional tank the mouth of the T-64BV and the Buk-M1 air defense missile systems divisions, as well as the 57th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in full force, as reported to News Front by public figure and publicist Alexey Zhuravko, receiving information from eyewitnesses from the Kherson region.

Parallel to this, the American strategic UAV of optical-electronic and radar reconnaissance RQ-4B weekly (and sometimes more often) carries out many hours of reconnaissance flights in the airspace near the contact line in Donbass, providing the General Staff of the Armed Forces with a fresh (regularly updated) tactical picture of the deployment of armored units of the NM military corps LDNR for tactically correct regrouping in all operational directions without exception. The culmination of all this was the provision of gratuitous military aid in the form of 35 transport-launching "tubes" and 210 of anti-tank missiles FGM-148 "Javelin" to Ukrainian army units capable of seriously changing the balance of forces in the Donbass theater, as well as the commencement of the development of a war criminal by lieutenant general Sergey Naev of the so-called “United Forces” operation, finally introducing aggression against the republics into the legal mainstream (of course, in relation to Ukrainian legislation).

A separate and very alarming bell in the continuing Russophobic actions of Kiev is the slow but sure "overflow" of permissiveness of the Ukrainian security forces from the Donbass region to the border areas of the Republic of Crimea, the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov, as well as Russia as a whole. But while in relation to Russia as a whole, the Ukrainian side is only limited to delusional threats “to continue the war even after the seizure of Donbass”, as Yuri Grymchak, a member of the Batkivshchyna party, recently said, not quite adequately, in the Russian-Ukrainian border between the Republic of Crimea and the Kherson region, as well as in the Azov Sea, the actions of Kiev have long crossed all the boundaries of what is permitted. It all started with an attack by a Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance group numbering 20 people at the Armyansk checkpoint 7 in August 2016, with the goal of breaking through to the territory of Crimea and carrying out terrorist attacks on several strategically important objects. As a result, officers of the border service of the Federal Security Service of Russia and a unit of the 247 airborne assault regiment arrived from the Stavropol Territory took the brunt.

In a clash with the enemy, FSB lieutenant colonel Roman Kamenev and BMD mechanic commander Corporal Semyon Sychev were killed. Most of all, the fact that according to information from the well-known Crimean blogger Boris Rozhin ("colonelcassad"), the retreat of the surviving Ukrainian militants was carried out under the cover of armored personnel carriers, located in the vicinity of the villages of Stavka and Chervony Chaban; and, unfortunately, the latter was not provided with fire resistance from the anti-tank calculations of the Russian army, or the army aviation. In the course of repelling the attack, 3 militants were destroyed, but the “soft” response in the form of the usual transfer of additional units of the Russian army to Armyansk pushed the junta to new attacks against Russian citizens.

The next incident did not take long to wait: November 20 2016, at the Dzhankoy automobile checkpoint, SBU officers abducted junior contract sergeant Alexander Baranov and warrant officer Maxim Odintsov. The guys who refused to support the Nazi regime of Ukraine and went over to the Russian Armed Forces, attributed to treason with preventive measures in the form of 13 and 14 years in prison. It is possible that our soldiers will be released as a result of the upcoming exchange of prisoners. But nothing is known yet, since originally A. Baranov and M. Odintsov were supposed to go home during the exchange for Ukrainian political prisoners Oleg Sentsov and Roman Sushchenko, but at the suggestion of Kiev this question has been slipping for several months.

Kiev became much more provocative and brazen in the spring of 2018, after receiving from Washington a pretext for conducting a punitive operation in the Donbas and guarantees of comprehensive diplomatic and military-technical support during the upcoming escalation. This time, the aim of Kiev was the water area of ​​the Azov Sea, where 25 in March 2018 was detained by the Russian seiner “Nord” by Ukrainian border guards. The crew of a fishing vessel escorted to the port of Berdyansk is already 11 days on board without permission to go ashore. The attempt to get off the dock was accompanied by tough opposition from the Ukrainian border military formations, while at the seiner “critical sanitary conditions” were established associated with the natural damage of the catch. Passports were taken from the 10 crew and Ukrainian citizenship was offered, but the fishermen refused. According to Alexander Rudenko, the lawyer of the captain of the “Nord” Vladimir Gorbenko, the latter is again transferred from the hospital to a temporary detention center, and this is despite the fact that Vladimir needs outpatient treatment. As previously reported, the captain of the seiner complained about the humiliation and humiliation of the SBUshnikov and the Ukrainian border formations. Now V. Gorbenko is charged with art. 332-1, providing for up to 5 years in prison. Yesterday, 15: 00 received updated information that the Kherson City Court postponed the hearing on the case of Captain Nord to April 6.

Remarkably, the entire crew, in addition to the captain, the Ukrainian side promised to return home to Kerch in the near future, as stated by the so-called head of the department for the supervision of criminal proceedings of the ARC I. Ponochovny. Obviously, the creation of the Operational Group to counteract piracy on the part of Ukraine noticeably sobered up the thinking process of the Ukrainian leadership and the maritime security of the State Border Service “Independent”, because from April 5, on the basis of the ACTU (Azov-Black Sea Territorial Administration), the operational group coordinating the actions of the Fishery Agency border controls. In other words, the border guards will be able in the present tense (using GLONASS) to track the location of any fishing vessel in the waters of the Black and Azov seas. In any emergency situation, speedboat patrol boats and Black Sea Fleet aviation can help fishermen. As for Captain Vladimir Gorbenko, the picture here is completely different than the rest of the “Nord” crew. One gets the impression that the current Ukrainian regime will try to delay it for the longest possible period to maintain the degree of diplomatic war with Moscow, as well as to use it as a “bargaining chip” at future diplomatic trading with the Russian side. Such a conclusion is made on the basis of the following information received on the evening of April 5.

In particular, the postponement of the hearing on the election of a preventive measure by V. Gorbenko to 6 on April was due to the fact that the captain was not taken to the courthouse from the temporary detention center. At the same time, there is no information about his whereabouts. It is possible that there is a deliberate delay in the consideration of the Gorbenko case by the Ukrainian special services against the demands of lawyers Alexander Rudenko and Dmitry Shcherbina to release the captain right in the courthouse, as well as against the background of strong diplomatic pressure from the Russian Foreign Ministry. Obviously, in this case, the main role belongs to the criminal pro-government "conglomerate" of the SBU with the division No. XXUMX of the Mariupol Marine Guard, which was ordered to drag out the case. So, the latter have already "lit up" in the abduction of Vladimir Gorbenko under the sights of machine guns directly from the board of the seiner. A very important point is that on 23: 19, 00 of April, the definition of the detention of the captain expires, and therefore the situation should clear up this morning.


One of the patrol / artillery boats of the 1400М “Skadovsk” Ave. of the so-called “Mariupol Marine Guard”, regularly on duty a few kilometers from the left-bank beach of Mariupol


It should be noted that in such difficult situations as the seizure of the “Nord”, associated with the inadequate and aggressive behavior of our dysfunctional neighbor, the reaction of both the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and defense structures should be immediate and extremely tough, because the manifestation of compliance and tolerance with 100% likely to entail new "spitting" and "knives in the back." Here and the power version of the release should be considered, because in the degree of arrogance and openness Kiev has long exceeded all limits. Imagine for a moment a scenario in which the Vietnamese Navy detains a Chinese fishing seiner, escorts to Cam Ranh, keeps the captain and crew next to tons of rotting fish in disgusting sanitary conditions and under rifle scopes weapons brought to a hypertensive crisis by interrogation and failure to comply with the instructions of local doctors. Hanoi would have regretted what had been done a hundred times already, since Beijing would hardly have waited for anything. And what is Kiev doing? Threatens with further detentions of Russian ships leaving the Crimean ports. Against this background, the creation of the Operational Group to counter the piracy of Ukraine is the very countermeasure that quickly puts all the “balls and rollers” in the “hot heads” of Poroshenkov's “crazy” into the necessary places. But this applies only to the Crimea and the Azov Sea. There is also the Donbass, where the Russian side will also have to show a “bear grin”.

Just a couple of days ago, the Ukrainian media questioned the holding of the May meeting of the Norman Four in the German Aachen, but in the 3-sided format (without the participation of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin), emphasis was placed on unnamed sources in the Ukrainian leadership. Later, the speaker of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Mariana Betsa could neither confirm nor deny this information. It is only known that Poroshenko, Makron and Merkel will again try to raise the topic of entering the UN peacekeeping force in the Donbass under the terms of Washington and Kiev, i.e. throughout its territory, including the Russian border. Obviously, Vladimir Putin will not be able to incline such an absurd “Croatian model” in Aachen, nor in the UN Security Council meeting room, where his interests and the interests of Russia with Donbas republics will be represented by Russia's ambassador to the UN, Vasily Nebenya. To move in this matter, Kiev has already been tasked with arranging a serious provocation on the contact line followed by the seizure of several large settlements in order to introduce the UN contingent in the rear zones of the army LDNR people's militia corps.

As assumed in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and NATO, the created offensive bridgeheads will not turn into new “boilers” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine thanks to the operational deployment of peacekeepers, but will become starting points for a further “creeping offensive”, where Ukrainian forces are planning to impose an initiative one and a half to two times more large-caliber barreled and reactive artillery (9K51 "Grad", 9K57 "Hurricane", 2С3 "Acacia", 2А65 "Msta-B", 2А36 "Hyacinths", I am in trouble, I am working on fireworks, I am working on fireworks, I am working on firewalls, I’m working on fires, I’m at I-o'cry, I’m at I-o'y; , 2-7-x numerical superiority, as well as information and military support from NATO. But to implement such a scenario in practice, "the descendants of the ancient Sumerians" and their NATO partners are unlikely to allow.

Recently, Igor Ivanovich Strelkov (Girkin) managed to distinguish himself with a regular portion of panicking, reflecting on the possibility of returning to Novorossia and even obtaining DNR citizenship before the election process. According to one of his proposed options, at the end of the second day of the general offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, “Donetsk will be completely cut off from communications with Russia; Lugansk, perhaps - the same. " On the basis of what such conclusions are made, it is completely unclear. First, the general offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could only dream of the 2016 year, when the indicators of combat-ready combat equipment in NM LDNR buildings were brought to more than 70 - 80%. Secondly, as we have already emphasized a hundred times in our previous reviews, even the "fresh" brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not go forward to the attack on the Donetsk-Makeevka or Gorlovsko-Enakievsky agglomerations, especially against the background of complete demoralization, alcoholism and drug addiction on the contact line. What is equally important, today's conscription company in Ukraine is extremely sluggish, with the complete unwillingness of a more or less sensible percentage of the population to get into the hands of the agenda. Moreover, in the last 2,5 of the year, both Donetsk and Gorlovka have been turned into the most powerful fortified areas with countless anti-tank weapons, as well as radio and artillery reconnaissance assets of the firing positions of the Ukrainian army.

All that Ukrainian military formations can count on, despite threefold numerical superiority, are offensive shots at Debaltsevskiy and Telmanov ON, where today 54, 57 and 93-I are separate mechanized brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This is where the most vulnerable sectors in the defense of LDNR armies continue to be. But it would be extremely naive to believe that against the background of the inevitable conflict within the Russia-NATO framework, Moscow will allow wolves in sheep's clothing represented by a hastily put together United Nations gang to approach the border of the Rostov region by a kilometer. After all, Strelkov himself in his short note for 28 March between the lines hinted at the new, very tangible gusts of the "Northern wind" in Russian politics, describing the unshakable firmness of Sergey Markov's opinion on the issues of the conflict in Donbas.Read more...

Information sources:
https://ria.ru/world/20180402/1517779097.html
http://www.interfax.ru/world/607080
https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2018/04/05/11707207.shtml
http://novorossia.pro/strelkov/4614-igor-strelkov-osobenno-blistal-sergey-markov.html
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech April 6 2018 05: 39
    +20
    Kiev began to act much more provocatively and insolently in the spring of 2018, after receiving a go-ahead from Washington for a punitive operation in the Donbass and guarantees of comprehensive diplomatic and military-technical support during the upcoming escalation.


    This is the corporate identity of the Kiev regime and it will be fully applied in anticipation of the World Cup in RUSSIA.
    Our country still cannot allow itself sharp movements against Ukrainian provocateurs ... but nevertheless, there is a process of accumulating a negative potential, so to speak, against them, and I believe that one day our military will have free hands ... when it comes to hard to say .. .I suppose that after the completion of the peace enforcement operation of the United States and its satellites in SYRIA. what
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 6 2018 06: 35
      +31
      He can’t do it yet. And when he can, Alexey? After the mundial? There are still a hundred good reasons for concern. Only for concern. In Syria, I dare to notice the war for a long time. This situation only demonstrates the weakness of our country in the political, military and economic aspects.
      Quote: The same Lech
      Kiev began to act much more provocatively and insolently in the spring of 2018, after receiving a go-ahead from Washington for a punitive operation in the Donbass and guarantees of comprehensive diplomatic and military-technical support during the upcoming escalation.


      This is the corporate identity of the Kiev regime and it will be fully applied in anticipation of the World Cup in RUSSIA.
      Our country still cannot allow itself sharp movements against Ukrainian provocateurs ... but nevertheless, there is a process of accumulating a negative potential, so to speak, against them, and I believe that one day our military will have free hands ... when it comes to hard to say .. .I suppose that after the completion of the peace enforcement operation of the United States and its satellites in SYRIA. what
      1. akunin
        akunin April 6 2018 07: 41
        +13
        19th Universiade in Krasnoyarsk is the next reason.
        1. asv363
          asv363 April 7 2018 03: 19
          +6
          Quote: akunin
          19th Universiade in Krasnoyarsk is the next reason.

          There is a more compelling reason - international piracy by Ukraine. This act must be severely punished. The entire fleet of the Black Sea Fleet of the WSF of the Russian Federation should be used and in the future not to allow such cases - to drown the galleys of the Sumerians on the way.
      2. Sheridan
        Sheridan April 7 2018 09: 51
        +1
        Hurry you know when it is important. I want everything at once? May stick together.
    2. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga April 6 2018 12: 23
      +26
      And when our country could afford sharp movements against Ukrainian provocateurs. Not even on the eve of the World Cup, our country could not and cannot afford anything. They steal the military, steal the fishermen, hijack fishing vessels (it doesn’t fit in our heads, we are such a great, strong country that we do not care for everyone and everything) border guards are killed, and our country makes notes of protest.
    3. Dam
      Dam April 6 2018 12: 57
      +7
      There is always a choice. I see no reason to hysteria. It is clear that there will be a war, but if there is an opportunity to take the time to rearm, it’s stupid not to. There were no daggers in 2014 yet.
    4. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 6 2018 20: 03
      +10
      Let's separate flies from cutlets - a lot has been written about Donbass, including in VO. One thing is clear there - Kiev is waiting for the go-ahead from Fashington. Everything.
      I will say a word about poor fishermen ...
      The claims presented to the crew of Nord and its captain are logical only from the point of view of the Kiev authorities, according to their law on some occupied territories there. Officially, no complaints were made by the Bandera country to the aggressor countrybecause There is no officially recognized maritime border in the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov between Banderostan and Russia.
      Further...
      Since the moment of detention, no entry to the sea of ​​any fishing vessel from the Ukrainian side has been recorded. Fell silent. Silent. They understand that getting under the hand is like two fingers on asphalt. And no one in the sea there "for fish" will not leave until the end of the showdown on the "Nord".
      Not a single serious foreign publication has a single comment about this incident. It is not interesting to anyone there - everyone enthusiastically chews popcorn, watching the intrigue with the Skripals.
      Summary.
      1. By any means return the sailors home. "Nord" will not be returned.
      2. The Russian power structures engaged in ensuring free navigation in the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov have a chance to frolic into plenty - to drive scum full of Bandera feces, as well as to work out operations to seize ships that threaten the integrity and safety of Russian property (bridges, moorings, ships, communications)
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 6 2018 20: 24
        +14
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        And no one in the sea there "for fish" will not leave until the end of the showdown on the "Nord"

        Well, the fish in the end is a clear gain yes
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 6 2018 20: 27
          +2
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Well, the fish in the end is a clear gain

          Yes, the fact of the matter is that "Nord" went on a test, non-commercial fishing, in order to find out the approximate availability of fish for the April fishing ....
          Now fish - Lafa ....
          wassat
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 7 2018 10: 59
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker

        Since the moment of detention, no entry to the sea of ​​any fishing vessel from the Ukrainian side has been recorded. Fell silent. Silent. They understand that getting under the hand is like two fingers on asphalt. And no one in the sea there "for fish" will not leave until the end of the showdown on the "Nord".

        In my opinion, there should be no difference, in this situation, between a fishing vessel, a merchant vessel, or a warship. Block all Sumerian ports in the Sea of ​​Azov, everything, even the smallest. Do not let in or let out a single trough under whatever flag it goes. Of course, it would not be bad to block the Black Sea ports. That would be effective.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker April 7 2018 11: 11
          +2
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          In my opinion, there should be no difference, in this situation, between a fishing vessel, a merchant vessel or a warship

          Do not be like Svidomo. Each detention of the vessel, as well as its search, must comply with international requirements and national rules.
          And in any case, the incessant threats of the ukronazists should be used to blow up the Crimean bridge - the wonders do not hide it, but for us it is an excuse to inspect any ship or ship.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 7 2018 14: 34
            0
            I don’t understand you for this -
            Quote: stalkerwalker

            Do not be like Svidomo. Each detention of the vessel, as well as its search, must comply with international requirements and national rules.

            Or all the same for it -
            Quote: stalkerwalker

            And in any case, the incessant threats of the ukronazists should be used to blow up the Crimean bridge - the wonders do not hide it, but for us it is an excuse to inspect any ship or ship.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker April 7 2018 18: 44
              +1
              I explain - "pressure across the field" in accordance with international regulations.
          2. Evgeny Popov Nature
            Evgeny Popov Nature April 9 2018 01: 17
            0
            To whom do you make excuses? in Geyrop they will sing - they will sing, but they will tolerate it, if Russia turns inside out all this Bandera’s wretch and finally the Jewish-cannibals of Kiev will be thrown into jail.
    5. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 April 8 2018 13: 21
      -1
      NOT the adoption by the Russian Federation of the announcement of statehood of Little Russia leads to a real military clash with Ukraine. With the adoption of statehood and independence of Little Russia, a precedent with Kosovo, mutual conflicts would become of a completely different level and military conflicts to avoid the probability increased significantly. The culprits of Surkov and other "strategists" playing on the blood of the Slavs ...
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 8 2018 20: 56
        0
        Quote: Vladimir 5
        NOT the adoption by the Russian Federation of the announcement of statehood of Little Russia leads to a real military clash with Ukraine. With the adoption of statehood and independence of Little Russia, a precedent with Kosovo, mutual conflicts would become of a completely different level and military conflicts to avoid the probability increased significantly. The culprits of Surkov and other "strategists" playing on the blood of the Slavs ...

        What are you talking about? What did you mean by the word "Little Russia"? If the DPR and LPR, then they are not united in one state with the name Little Russia. How could Russia recognize that which does not exist in nature?
    6. NordUral
      NordUral April 11 2018 18: 06
      0
      Alexei, will they even want to? Russia and Russian Ukrainians missed the chance to revive Little Russia in the 14th, thanks to the indecisive position of Moscow.
      And thanks to this cowardly position, we all got what has been happening for four years. From Odessa to the Nord.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 6 2018 06: 06
    +8
    Anxious and tense situation in the LDNR. It is very possible that when the earth dries up, the Ukronazists will begin to "move." This, I believe, will be the last military events for the Nazis, in terms of their continued existence in a living form. angry
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 6 2018 06: 38
    +8
    To date, Donbass and Syria are two points at which serious provocations are simply to be expected. And the American "partners" certainly will not miss this opportunity, and the Kiev regime, in half-bent mode, will hasten to fulfill any "proposal" of the United States. The layman can only watch the development of events.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 6 2018 07: 02
    +12
    Eugene, all this is nonsense, but our authorities swallowed a lot of things in silence, and the genocide of Donbass will also swallow! Do you remember what Putin said, I need all the ukroin! In this phrase, freeing the hands of the ukronazists! So the republics will be supported only by volunteers, the power will not hit finger by finger, in the event of a massacre.
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga April 6 2018 12: 29
      +8
      Putin needs a lot of things, he just can’t take it for some reason, it scratches some fables about an international conspiracy against Russia. But the Americans climbed into Syria, Iraq, Libya, occupied oil fields, collapsed oil prices and are waiting for Russia to remain without oil money, and I think they will wait at such speed for Russia’s response to attacks of Western capital.
      1. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga April 6 2018 12: 55
        +9
        The Bulgarians were saved from the Ottoman yoke, the Serbs, the Armenians were saved, and the Russians do not give a damn, as it always has been, since the Tsarist times. Turkey is heated by our gas, and we have grandmothers in villages near the stove sleeping.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 6 2018 19: 51
          +1
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          The Bulgarians were saved from the Ottoman yoke, the Serbs, the Armenians were saved, and the Russians do not give a damn, as it always has been, since the Tsarist times. Turkey is heated by our gas, and we have grandmothers in villages near the stove sleeping.

          If this has always been the case, then this is not about Putin?
          And it began, according to Pokhlebkin, much earlier than Tsarist times.
          When honey was sold in Europe, and men in the villages on the benches green wine sipped.
          So who is to blame?
          Maybe nefig was to go to fight the Turks and release the little brothers?
      2. PATHuK
        PATHuK April 6 2018 13: 56
        +8
        Collapsed ... from $ 27 in 2015 to 68 today ... knock and knock over tirelessly.
      3. Dam
        Dam April 6 2018 23: 09
        +1
        That is all that you see on the expansion of NATO and the expulsion of diplomats, sanctions and other lobouda is a fable. Friend remove the pan, it interferes with the review
    2. andy.v.lee
      andy.v.lee April 7 2018 12: 33
      +1
      While the fascist-oligarchic power in the Russian Federation, everything will be so.
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 6 2018 07: 04
    +7
    “Moscow” has long made its choice in April-May 2014. It is only about the speed of processes in the Donbass and in "other regions". am
    1. freddyk
      freddyk April 6 2018 10: 48
      +8
      Quote: samarin1969
      “Moscow” has long made its choice in April-May 2014. It is only about the speed of processes in the Donbass and in "other regions". am


      I absolutely agree with you. Moscow has shown its attitude to the state. the coup in Ukraine officially recognizing the results of the Maidan (according to Solovyov-junta in power) and not recognizing the referendum in the Donbass. And there was an opportunity to prevent this, "on hand" was the current legitimate president of Ukraine. Personally, I made my own conclusions then.
      1. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga April 6 2018 12: 34
        +13
        What choice did Moscow make? Moscow on the drum, they live for their pleasure. It’s even impossible to imagine such a thing under the rule of the Communists, that some Ukrainians would steal the courts, steal the military, shoot in our direction, so that some stooped Theresa May would raise more than half of Europe against Russia.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 6 2018 20: 20
          +5
          Quote: sasha.28blaga
          What choice did Moscow make? Moscow on the drum, they live for their pleasure. It is even impossible to imagine this under the rule of the Communists.

          And I remember, during the rule of the Communists of the USSR, they collapsed. No?
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 6 2018 14: 48
      +10
      Quote: samarin1969
      “Moscow” has long made its choice in April-May 2014.

      If we are talking about the Crimea, then yes.
      But equally, residents of the Crimea and Sevastopol saved Putin’s failed policy towards Ukraine, giving him the opportunity to play a strategically important stronghold. Which, if they had not risen up against Ukrainian fascism (created by the efforts of the West), would have been lost, and with it essentially the entire southern flank, which would have meant a sentence for Russia in the event of war!
      As for LDNR, they play the role of an anchor that blocks the movement of Ukraine into NATO, believing that the presence of LDNR as part of Ukraine will give the country's eastern vector of movement. But the same anchor pulls to the bottom and Russia.
      Soon the Rubicon will be crossed.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis April 6 2018 19: 55
        +1
        I believe this anchor will fulfill its role. Nato will not let Ukraine help to reason. Yes, and Novorossia is gradually falling into the arms of Russia. All laws, and other and other, taking into account Crimean errors, are being introduced in Donetsk and Lugansk. How would you like to end this civil war between Russians and Russians. Selling Ukrainian leadership brought, led the people to a similar situation.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2018 20: 00
          +1
          Quote: 30 vis
          Nato will not let

          agree
          Quote: 30 vis
          Ukraine will help to reason

          disagree
          Quote: 30 vis
          Yes, and Novorossia is gradually falling into the arms of Russia

          big doubts
          Quote: 30 vis
          How would you like to end this civil war between Russians and Russians

          that's for sure, it's time to finish
    3. A_L_F
      A_L_F April 7 2018 01: 05
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      “Moscow” has long made its choice in April-May 2014. It is only about the speed of processes in the Donbass and in "other regions". am

      Ukraine made its choice in 1985, then Putin certainly couldn’t do anything.
  6. akunin
    akunin April 6 2018 07: 38
    0
    Imagine for a moment the scenario in which the Vietnamese Navy detained a Chinese fishing seiner, escorted to Kamran, kept the captain and crew next to tons of rotting fish in disgusting sanitary conditions and, under the sights of small arms, brought them to a hypertensive crisis with interrogations and non-compliance with the instructions of local doctors. Hanoi would have regretted the deed a hundred times, since Beijing would hardly have expected anything

    to Beijing, so the "brothers" zhezh.
    1. Procyon lotor
      Procyon lotor April 6 2018 15: 18
      +1
      if someone turned off the Internet then ....
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/04/vie
      tnam-seizes-chinese-vessel-detains-crew
    2. Vlad Petrov
      Vlad Petrov April 6 2018 15: 51
      +3
      It will be bad now for the brothers of Ukrainian sailors. The Kerch people were surrounded, they captured the Nord, and now they will deal with the Russian Maritime Inspectorate. This is not Uncle Vova with his persuasion, but an inspector. I didn’t look, I didn’t say it, and I’ll get the protocol with complete pleasure. We can say ukro-fleet in Azov completed the navigation.
    3. 97110
      97110 April 6 2018 20: 45
      +1
      Quote: akunin
      to Beijing

      Beijing has already dealt with Hanoi, I was even scared that my demobilization was covered. Somehow Beijing quickly ran out of agility ... And when our border guards drowned a Chinese steamer for a bunch of soaked rice, what did they do with the Russian Federation? Or were we then allied with the United States? According to Nord ... I venture to get disapproval from the conferers, but there are no minuses so far, I will express myself. The crew’s sufferings are useful for the growth of the simple ordinary Ukrainians above them, who Ukraine is still “pretty” and do not lose hope that they would still get money from the USA for selling Russia - in vain, they were selling it. This is also the question of the need to get into business with LDNR. Until they understand that their former "Nenko" is the worst enemy of Russia, we still have a bunch of latent Bandera. Do not agree? And who, 60 years ago, agreed that Bandera would come to power in Ukraine? 50 ?, 40 ?, 30? Yes, until the spring of 2014. And they came. Do not remember how LDNR, all as one, stood up to fight against Bandera? Read the archive here at least. They have nowhere to go - the "patriots" from Ukraine do not see another option, how to kill everyone and dime. Or they may be smarter in power. That the question will be put softly-softly. Well, like, we are pennies, and you will live boohato without this rashka. And America is with us! Well, hit yourself in the left chest with a swipe! Yes, like, not a joke! Yes, we are brothers from Russia forever!
  7. Ural resident
    Ural resident April 6 2018 09: 53
    +11
    Here is the result of the fact that Mariupol was not taken at the time - Akhmetova did not want to ruin the business.
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga April 6 2018 12: 50
      +2
      Yes, who would give it to you first, and secondly, you asked the inhabitants of Mariupol if they would like to be taken. All simple ones, we’ll take it, then we won’t take it. They believed in themselves, or something. And not that the whole Western world is against us, at all levels of interaction.
      1. Belegor
        Belegor April 6 2018 14: 03
        +3
        In the 41st, not only the Germans attacked us. There was all of Europe. But the price for us, of course, was too high.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 6 2018 14: 51
        +5
        Quote: sasha.28blaga
        and secondly, you asked the inhabitants of Mariupol if they want to be taken.

        you can see how banderlogs put things in order in Mariupol with supporters of LDNR
      3. m077ea
        m077ea April 6 2018 19: 12
        +2
        you're too categorical. I agree that not everyone wanted and want to go to Russia. But
        1) the absolute majority in mariupol, which is for Ukraine, has fallen and continues to bring down further and deeper into Ukraine and from there to Poland.
        2) who will prevent them from further escaping into the depths.
        And you, too bot, dear
      4. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis April 6 2018 20: 01
        +1
        I didn’t want to get into a polemic with you, but .. What are you hysteria! Have you talked with at least one Mariupol? Ah, I said. Waiting for Russia and waiting.
      5. SV
        SV April 6 2018 22: 37
        +2
        They correctly noted that the "Western" world is against us "and, moreover, not all, but only 27 countries out of more than 190 on the planet. Most of the 27 supported - jointly, which means they supported today, and tomorrow they’ll go to Honestly, this is not the best part of humanity!
  8. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 6 2018 10: 02
    +4
    Given the tendency of the United States and its sixes to take military adventures during world sporting events, the exacerbation in the Donbass will probably be timed to coincide with the opening of the World Cup in Russia on June 14, which will also correspond to the interests of the West aimed at disrupting this event. Britain has already called for a boycott of the championship in connection with the "poisoning" of the Skripals.
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga April 6 2018 12: 46
      +2
      This World Cup, as a miraculous icon, even those who do not believe are praying for it. And now we’ll write off everything at the World Cup.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 6 2018 14: 29
        +9
        Quote: sasha.28blaga
        This World Cup, as a miraculous icon, even those who do not believe are praying for it. And now we’ll write off everything at the World Cup.

        Maybe remember when Georgia climbed into South Ossetia? Just during the Olympics in China! And why was the doping scandal with Russian athletes timed, do not remember? To the Olympics in South Korea! So what bothers you that the new provocation will not be timed to coincide with the World Cup? Against the backdrop of frank calls by the West to boycott the championship in Russia, this is the most effective way to overthrow the championship from a word in general. Only this is not carried out against the championship, but against Russia as a country with which it is not necessary to deal. Let's see what arguments will be brought to the “partners”, so that they would not argue with this dirty trick. Surely our side has its trump cards.
  9. BAI
    BAI April 6 2018 10: 14
    +6
    What is there to list here?
    On all the facts, it’s almost a direct declaration of war: shelling of the territory of Russia (near Rostov, there are dead), shooting down of a plane, military operation against Crimea, etc. Russia did not answer ANYTHING. Although we can say they answered: $ 3 billion was pumped into Ukraine in 2017, and Turkey was given a discount on gas. And so in everything and everywhere - with sanctions, doping, Skripal. Therefore, everything is increasing, that no one has an adequate answer.
    But this
    even “fresh” APU brigades, especially against the background of complete demoralization, alcoholism and drug addiction on the contact line.

    Where does this information come from? Most sources from Ukraine and LDNR note a sharply increased level of training and motivation of the Armed Forces in comparison with 2014.
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga April 6 2018 12: 43
      +6
      I support you. There is no normal answer to all this disgrace. Sometimes it seems to me that dear VV Putin is with them.
  10. Proton
    Proton April 6 2018 10: 20
    +2
    Under the World Cup they will come up with a blow and provocations, how to give drink am
    And then it will be completely difficult to give an answer, meaning it is necessary to provoke them earlier, there is no other way.
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga April 6 2018 12: 41
      +3
      They should not be provoked, but beat in their Bandera erysipelas. The courage to defend Crimea was enough, and on LDNR that the gunpowder was over, and where is all the super-super Russian weapons, where the troops on a contractual basis or only boys 18-year-olds and can fight for free.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo April 6 2018 15: 21
        +10
        Enough already bring down in one heap both the Crimea and LDNR. Crimea was an autonomous republic within Ukraine, and its authorities had the LEGAL right to hold a referendum on independence (I think this right is even written in their constitution). But Donetsk and Lugansk regions did not have such a right. So the introduction of troops into the territory of the LNR (to which you, as I understand it, you are calling) would be an unambiguous act of aggression from Russia, which even our few allies would have to admit, I'm not talking about neutrals. And then Russia would indeed become an outcast country.
        1. Conrad
          Conrad April 6 2018 18: 56
          +5
          Quote: CentDo
          But Donetsk and Lugansk regions did not have such a right.

          You may think that the Verkhovna Rada had the right to remove the president, disperse the supreme and constitutional courts, call any elections, appoint the Presidential Electoral Code, make amendments to the Constitution in the absence of a president and a competent constitutional court !!!
          And here you are! Russia recognized all this lawlessness!
          А
          Quote: CentDo
          our few allies

          so they’re not useful in this confrontation!
          1. CentDo
            CentDo April 9 2018 10: 19
            0
            You may think that the Verkhovna Rada had the right to remove the president, disperse the supreme and constitutional courts, call any elections, appoint the Presidential Electoral Code, make amendments to the Constitution in the absence of a president and a competent constitutional court !!!

            No one says that they had the right to do so. You, as I understand it, suggest taking an example from them? I do what I want and do not care about all the laws?
            so they’re not useful in this confrontation!

            At least they trade with us, but now it’s a lot.
            And here you are! Russia recognized all this lawlessness!

            Then I agree with you, it was not worth recognizing this "government", in any case, in my opinion. No cooperation is still visible.
        2. meandr51
          meandr51 April 6 2018 22: 04
          +2
          And what would they do with the “rogue country”?
          1. CentDo
            CentDo April 9 2018 10: 13
            0
            Do you not know that there are practically no normal vaccines in children's clinics? I’ve come across this, it’s impossible to give the child the right vaccination. Just because before they bought these vaccines in Europe, but now they are a bummer. The reserves ran out, but there are no normal domestic analogues. You may not give a damn about it, but this problem really worries me.
            Or maybe you are not aware that those products that were previously imported from Europe are now supplied to us by other countries? What would happen if they were forced to impose sanctions and refuse to export to Russia? And, by the way, not only from exports to Russia, but also from imports from Russia. How much would the revenue side of our budget lose?
            European and American sanctions did not work precisely because we had trading partners without them. And if it weren’t for them (and after the troops were brought into LDNR, there would have been no more of them), a line with two, we would have gotten off so easily.
        3. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic April 9 2018 13: 46
          0
          and his authorities had the LEGAL right to hold a referendum on independence (this right, in my constitution, is spelled out, in my opinion)

          That's it, that only - in your opinion.
          Ready to bet?
          1. CentDo
            CentDo April 9 2018 15: 06
            0
            Ok, I didn’t put it very correctly. They had the right to hold a local referendum on issues within the jurisdiction of the Verkhovna Rada of Crimea. The possibility of a referendum in the Constitution of the ARC was provided. But Donetsk and Lugansk regions did not even have such a right. Any referendum on any issues in these areas was illegal initially.
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic April 9 2018 15: 18
              0
              You are right, the possibility of a referendum is provided.
              For one BUT:
              The issues of the administrative-territorial structure of the country were not under the jurisdiction of the Supreme Council of the ARC.
              Only at the all-Ukrainian referendum, where more than 2/3 of the country's regions would vote for the independence of Crimea.
        4. would
          would April 12 2018 05: 46
          0
          Crimea was an autonomous republic within Ukraine, and its authorities had the LEGAL right to hold a referendum on independence (I think this right is even written in their constitution).


          It is registered, but here you need to know what exactly. The constitution spelled out the right to hold an all-Ukrainian referendum and they had no legal (from the point of view of Ukrainian law) right to hold their purely Crimean referendum on independence. Just like LDNR.
          1. CentDo
            CentDo April 13 2018 17: 20
            0
            The difference is that the ARC authorities had the legal right (prescribed in the Constitution of the ARC) to hold a local referendum. Another issue is that they did not have the right to make an issue of independence. In the first comment, I incorrectly expressed myself. But LDNR did not have the right to conduct any referenda at all.
            1. would
              would April 13 2018 18: 07
              0
              The fact of the matter is that, on the basis of the constitution of Ukraine, the ARC authorities did not have the right to conduct a local referendum on secession from Ukraine. Just like LDNR. According to the constitution of Ukraine, a referendum on changing its borders can only be national and not otherwise.

              The mere possibility of a referendum is not discussed here because it is specifically about one particular referendum.
    2. Dam
      Dam April 6 2018 12: 51
      +2
      It seems to me that before the World Cup someone else's warehouses will burn up and nothing will happen
  11. Semen1972
    Semen1972 April 6 2018 11: 06
    +2
    A clear Western strategy to undermine Russia's defense ... In view of this, today we are witnessing the predominance of ideas on holding a punitive operation against the republics in the Ukrainian General Staff, as well as at the top of Poroshenko in the near future

    For those in the tank. Russia is not a party to the conflict in Ukraine. Ukraine is not going to attack Russia. Do not mix cutlets with flies. Civil war is one thing, a standoff lasting 70 years is another.
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga April 6 2018 12: 37
      +2
      Yes, what are you talking about some kind of nonsense, not a party to the conflict, a civil war, but who supported LDNR in the war against Ukraine, are there Americans ?.
      1. m077ea
        m077ea April 6 2018 19: 15
        +4
        Russia is officially the same external side of the conflict as the Americans))) you did not know?
        and continue to label aggressor with tanks on Russia?
  12. Antares
    Antares April 6 2018 11: 48
    +3
    Again Damantsev is excited by the new forecast. We should ask him - why does he use the same technique the same data for each new forecast? So is there a permanent job and an “idea” for another article?
    And as
    official Moscow gave the current illegitimate regime

    After this phrase, the article lost all meaning. All articles where all sorts of "juntas", "illegitimate power", "fascists" and other media demons are the usual yellow motive. The goal is to create info noise and alert to the topic.
    The Kremlin simply framed everyone. He opened Pandora's box, where he was the most powerful.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 6 2018 12: 25
      +9
      Quote: Antares
      All articles where all sorts of "juntas", "illegitimate power", "fascists" and other media demons are the usual yellow motive.

      And the "juntas", "illegitimate power" "fascists" -all suited (objectively) to describe the power on the so-called "Ukraine".
      Do not agree?. Then answer right to simple Question: Crimea is Russia or the so-called "Ukraine"? yes
      1. Antares
        Antares April 7 2018 11: 01
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich
        And the "juntas", "illegitimate power" "fascists" -all suited (objectively) to describe the power on the so-called "Ukraine".

        Does not fit in any way. Ordinary characters to provide information warfare.
        All this collapses when you look at the definition of terms. Especially "illegitimate." The elections were, everyone recognized, the Russian Federation too, which means it has become legitimate. Otherwise, the power in the Russian Federation has not been legitimate for a long time. However, even Ukraine recognized the election of Putin in the last election of Putin as legitimate! Partners s.
        Description of power in Ukraine - traders and corrupt politicians.
        Quote: Olgovich
        Do not agree?

        With you, many disagree on all issues.
        I believe that using icteric terms for analytics reduces its value to zero. The author has already ensured the frivolity in the first lines. He does this all the time. It seems to be quite good at times, but with Ukraine, Russian authors have trouble .. zashorennost, stereotypes, politics ..

        Quote: Olgovich
        Then directly answer a simple question: Crimea is Russia or the so-called. "Ukraine"?

        Legally-Ukraine. (Recognized by the UN, the Russian Federation itself)
        Physically-RF (recognized by the RF itself)
        Actually - the Crimean peninsula is part of the land of planet Earth. And virtual boundaries are only in people's heads. Which opened the Pandora's box - made the 2 largest Russian-speaking countries enemies.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 7 2018 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: Antares
          Does not fit in any way. Ordinary characters to provide information warfare.

          Is fascism a symbol of infvoin? belay fool In WWII, it turns out with a symbol
          infoyna fought! fool These are the usual DEFINITIONS. Read what it is.
          Quote: Antares
          The elections were, everyone recognized, the Russian Federation too, which means it has become legitimate. Otherwise, the power in the Russian Federation has not been legitimate for a long time. However, even Ukraine recognized the election of Putin in the last election of Putin as legitimate!

          Legitimacy is not determined by the recognition of someone from the side, what kind of nonsense? It is determined by the recognition of YOUR people.
          The people of Ukraine did not recognize them.
          Quote: Antares
          I believe that using icteric terms for analytics reduces its value to zero.

          What is "icteric" in fascism? Everything is CLEAR and, most importantly, EXISTING,
          Quote: Antares
          Quote: Olgovich
          Then directly answer a simple question: Crimea is Russia or the so-called. "Ukraine"?
          Legally-Ukraine. (Recognized by the UN, the Russian Federation itself)
          Physically-RF (recognized by the RF itself)

          You did NOT answer the question, whose Crimea is in YOUR opinion?
          And Crimea, both legally and actually, and physically included in the Russian Federation.
          Quote: Antares
          Which opened the Pandora's box - made the 2 largest Russian-speaking countries enemies.

          They began to make enemies after the VOR, inventing "ancient ukronarod", "ukristoriya", ukrliteratura ", saying that this is not one, but two different people ..
          Until 1954, NO ONE on the so-called. "Ukraine did not suffer and did not cry about the pearl of the Ukraine-Crimea, which was under the" occupation "of Russia. NOBODY! Now everything has returned to the rightful course.
          And most importantly, PEOPLE living there so wanted.
          Answer directly: Crimea, in your opinion, is RUSSIA or the so-called "Ukraine"? Do not answer, yes.
        2. would
          would April 12 2018 05: 49
          0
          All this collapses when you look at the definition of terms. Especially "illegitimate." The elections were, everyone recognized, the Russian Federation too, which means it has become legitimate.


          There were no elections from the point of view of Ukrainian legislation, but what was rudely violates him. From the point of view of the constitution of Ukraine, Yanukovych is still the president of Ukraine, open and read. Legitimacy is determined not by someone, but also by the legislation of the country and the opinion of the people. And even then he considers the current government is not legitimate.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 12 2018 05: 53
            0
            Quote: rait
            From the point of view of the constitution of Ukraine, Yanukovych

            From the point of view of the Constitution of Ukraine - there were elections that Poroshenko won.
            As there was a referendum in the Crimea, which won the Russian Federation. One one yes
            Quote: rait
            Legitimacy is determined not by someone, but by the laws of the country and the opinion of the people.

            And "the head is given to a person not only to wear a hat" ... excuse me request
            Quote: rait
            Both consider the current government not legitimate

            On the basis of what you draw such bold conclusions, I dare ... to inquire?
            1. would
              would April 12 2018 06: 34
              0
              From the point of view of the Constitution of Ukraine - there were elections that Poroshenko won


              Early elections are impossible under the current president, this is the basics, and before you write something, it would be worth familiarizing yourself with the mathematical part. For example, familiarize yourself with the constitution of Ukraine before referring to it.

              On the basis of what you draw such bold conclusions, I dare ... to inquire?


              On the basis of the constitution of Ukraine, the rating of Poroshenko and other Ukrainian politicians, personal observations and conversations with Ukrainians who long before the Maidan spoke about the attitude towards the authorities is unified and quite specific.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 12 2018 07: 12
                0
                Quote: rait
                before writing something, it would be worth familiarizing with the mathematical part

                Sure ... try to do it at your leisure. In the meantime -
                Quote: rait
                Early elections are not possible under the current president

                Explain in which of your dreams Yanukovych was the “current president” at the time of the “election” in Ukraine. I'm all in anticipation of this revelation belay
                Quote: rait
                conversations with Ukrainians who long before the Maidan talked about their attitude to the authorities

                What is the relationship of "talk to the Maidan" to Poroshenko? You .. slurred request
                Quote: rait
                Based on the constitution of Ukraine

                Yeah ... about the "incumbent Yanukovych" you already said ... continue.
                Quote: rait
                personal observations

                Know comments. If they are from the same series as the “acting Yanukovych” ... well, oh well:
                You see, not only you have friends in Ukraine. And I also had reasons and cases with those, um, to talk.
                They do not share your opinion, en masses. This is, if only briefly.
                That's about as wink
                PS: when you get to know the materiel, at the same time learn how to spell this word correctly. It is not painful and uncomplicated.
                1. would
                  would April 12 2018 08: 47
                  0
                  Explain in which of your dreams Yanukovych was the “current president” at the time of the “election” in Ukraine. I'm all in anticipation of this revelation belay


                  Yeah ... about the "incumbent Yanukovych" you already said ... continue.


                  We didn’t get acquainted with the materiel and continued to disgrace. I will give you a short educational program. The Constitution of Ukraine is its supreme law, no higher. About early elections there it says so

                  Article 103

                  Regular elections of the President of Ukraine are held on the last Sunday of March of the fifth year of the powers of the President of Ukraine. In the event of early termination of the powers of the President of Ukraine, elections of the President of Ukraine shall be held within a period of ninety days. from the date of termination of authority


                  If you do not remember, then I recall that the 2014 elections were officially extraordinary. What is the termination of authority? And the answer is very simple, article 108

                  The powers of the President of Ukraine terminate early in the event of:
                  1) resignation;
                  2) inability to exercise their powers for health reasons;
                  3) post removal in impeachment order;
                  Xnumx) death.


                  1) Yanukovych did not resign.
                  2) It was not recognized by the relevant procedure (Article 110) unhealthy enough.
                  3) Impeachment was not imposed on him (Article 111).
                  4) He is alive.

                  That's all, there are no other options.

                  Thus, legally Yanukovych is the current president of Ukraine and nothing else. Similarly, early elections could not be held and thus were not held, the constitution does not recognize them. Filkina letters issued by the Rada have nothing to do with this. Of course, you can continue to call it "dreams" and so on, but with this you will only show your ignorance.


                  What is the relationship of "talk to the Maidan" to Poroshenko? You .. slurred request


                  Before you write something, you need to familiarize yourself with the mathematical part and not be dishonored as it is now. Poroshenko came to power in 1998, and in 2000 was one of the founders of the Party of Regions. 14 years before the Maidan being discussed here and even then he was known, his face next to Yanyk was already in all the newspapers.

                  They do not share your opinion, en masses. This is, if only briefly.


                  And you try to communicate with someone other than Svidomo, pots by themselves support the current government and kiss Poroshenko in one place. But everyone else hates her and wants to die, from all sides, and from the Ukrainian nationalists, and from the opponents of Russia and from the other side. There is not a single adequate person who would support Poroshenko and therefore he has a rating ... in my opinion 5%.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 12 2018 09: 59
                    0
                    Quote: rait
                    So legally Yanukovych the current president of Ukraine and nothing else

                    Yeah. It’s impossible to argue with this, and it’s pointless. But you, apparently, did not pay attention to this:
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    From the point of view of the Constitution of Ukraine - there were elections that Poroshenko won.
                    As there was a referendum in the Crimea, which won the Russian Federation. One one

                    And there, and there - everything was done "on the verge of a foul." Exchange request
                    In more detail about this (no later than yesterday, EMNIP) wrote comrade Ascetic. Check out, informative yes
                    Quote: rait
                    Poroshenko came to power in 1998, and in 2000 was one of the founders of the Party of Regions. 14 years before the Maidan being discussed here and even then he was known, his face next to Yanyk was already in all the newspapers then

                    Clear. Thank.
                    Quote: rait
                    And you with someone besides Svidomo try to chat

                    I talked with classmates (and younger). They were not originally Svidomo, and at the time of communication, they were not. En mass laughing
                    Quote: rait
                    There is not a single adequate person who would support Poroshenko

                    Weak statement. Read at your leisure what the quantifier of generality is, and why it is not worth it, generally speaking, to apply.
                    1. would
                      would April 12 2018 10: 21
                      0
                      I talked with classmates (and younger). They were not originally Svidomo, and at the time of communication, they were not.


                      But did they support Poroshenko and the current government? They really are not Svidomo, they are pots.

                      Speaking of Strong Statements

                      https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2018/01/23/716
                      9273 /

                      The pro-European, pro-Ukrainian resource founded by Georgy Gongadze was renamed "European Truth" at the time of the Maidan. A biased source towards Ukraine, but even he writes

                      If the presidential election were held at the end of December 2017, 8,7% of all respondents would support Yulia Tymoshenko, and 7,6% would support Petro Poroshenko.


                      And fundamentally, this situation has always been the devil knows what year. The main part of the politically active people hates the “luminaries” of Ukrainian politics, subsequently begins to hate the new ones, and as a result, hates all power at once. In Russia, it seems, but not so much.
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack April 12 2018 10: 59
                        0
                        Quote: rait
                        But did they support Poroshenko and the current government? They really are not Svidomo, they are pots

                        “Supporting” and “not waging a struggle against” are still slightly different things.
                        These, I assure you, are adults, intelligent and quite adequate people. There were. En mass laughing
                        As for pots - think about the situation, and then write something ... military, damn it, room.
                        Quote: rait
                        The bulk of the politically active people hate the "luminaries" of Ukrainian politics

                        Oh, it's better ... at least not all.
                        You know, all this is a fairy tale about the White Goby ... I'm not interested anymore, to be honest. Over.
            2. would
              would April 12 2018 11: 43
              0
              To support "and" not fight against "are still slightly different things.
              These, I assure you, are adults, intelligent and quite adequate people. There were. En mass laughing
              As for pots - think about the situation, and then write something ... military, damn it, room.


              Unlike you, I’m not talking about the "struggle against the regime" anywhere, but talking about the attitude towards the current government. So I recommend that you read yourself, because it was you who wrote that there is a difference between support and the “fight against the regime”. This is pretty ironic.

              First, learn to read, then understand what you read, and after that hand out labels to the right and left who is there military and room or kitchen lol

              You know, all this is a fairy tale about the White Goby ... I'm not interested anymore, to be honest. Over.


              Well, what can be answered when a socially-published question is published against you by an extremely pro-Ukrainian resource? Just pretend to be indescribable right and slam the door, there are no arguments.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 12 2018 12: 54
                0
                Aw, what a marvelous toy good
                Quote: rait
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                They were not originally Svidomo, and at the time of communication, they were not

                But did they support Poroshenko and the current government? They really are not Svidomo, they are pots

                Quote: rait
                Unlike you, I’m not talking about the "struggle against the regime" anywhere, but talking about the attitude towards the current government

                And what is "inconsistency of the current government", in your opinion? Resist evil with violence?
                Quote: rait
                Well, what can be answered when a socially-published question is published against you by an extremely pro-Ukrainian resource?

                Awful ... against me ... there is a poll ... extreme pro-Ukrainian ... boy-boy-boy-boy belay
                Quote: rait
                there are no arguments

                No. As well as the subject of discussion - also not.
                For the technique of "three", for artistry - "five." To you, naturally yes
  13. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 6 2018 12: 18
    +4
    But it would be extremely naive to believe that against the background of the inevitable conflict within the Russia-NATO framework, Moscow will allow the wolves in sheep’s clothing hastily put together UN gangs at least a kilometer closer to the border of the Rostov region.
    Which is the "UN"? belay
    NATO, yes, but the UN can only be with Russia's consent
  14. gerkost2012
    gerkost2012 April 6 2018 12: 45
    +9
    If the Kremlin allows Kiev and all the rest to shit on its head, pursuing a "balanced and wise policy", then there is nothing to spend so much bukaff on loud screams in the Institute. Y. Kedmi on the TV show at V Solovyov clearly explained everything, if you yourself allow yourself to be humiliated, then do not complain. The 2018 World Cup is a very important event, however, the level of humiliation of Russia by all the “partners” is just going through the roof. It’s time to give some sort of mongrel under the ass, for example, Kiev. After all, there are a lot of ways for this and not at all military.
    1. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 7 2018 01: 21
      0
      Well, actually, Uncle Yasha said everything correctly, he is generally a very smart person, it is a pity that the Kremlin has a different opinion.
  15. iouris
    iouris April 6 2018 13: 03
    0
    Dear program "Meeting with a song", I remember in it were such words: "There will be an olympiad for you! Hahahahaha!" ...
  16. atakan
    atakan April 6 2018 13: 04
    +2
    One of the patrol / artillery boats of the 1400М “Skadovsk” Ave. of the so-called “Mariupol Marine Guard”, regularly on duty a few kilometers from the left-bank beach of Mariupol

    Offer, put the cap in a circle, and buy a torpedo boat, which would be cleaner in a rotten puddle.
    Something our state is timid in the Crimea.
    1. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 7 2018 01: 18
      0
      Do you propose to organize a terrorist attack against "respected partners"? smile I’m afraid in the Kremlin, they don’t understand you, but Fe-Se-Be will find and close it by 15 years. Be careful with such initiatives laughing
  17. Bypassed
    Bypassed April 6 2018 13: 15
    +4
    as well as amid powerful diplomatic pressure from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    From this place I would like to know in more detail what this power is in expelling Ukrainian diplomats, introducing a visa regime and other, other
    1. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 7 2018 01: 13
      +1
      Well, they promised to complain to the UN Security Council, maybe Ukrainians will at least listen to the UN, if the Kremlin doesn’t have a decree laughing laughing laughing
    2. Bypassed
      Bypassed April 11 2018 13: 24
      0
      While the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Black Sea Fleet are chewing, the great Ukraine is seizing next boats.
      We buy popcorn, wait for the score 10: 0, maybe after that the Foreign Ministry will express a "deep" concern?
  18. kan123
    kan123 April 6 2018 13: 25
    +3
    to transfer jewels to fascists in Kiev, it’s like to transfer to Mexican gangs in the USA, RPG. All chaos comes from the United States - these pigs would not blather at all if Trump had not promised them a moon from the sky, or even coffins would be free.
    1. Belegor
      Belegor April 6 2018 14: 01
      +4
      Mexicans have an RPG. They need MANPADS ...
  19. Belegor
    Belegor April 6 2018 14: 00
    +2
    Fresh temnik lowered? Right there, not so long ago, they described what sucker these javelins were and how few of them. And now suddenly the trousers began to be pulled over the head. Or did they pull them over the head the last time? Oh nipanyatnaaaa.
  20. Flyer_64
    Flyer_64 April 6 2018 14: 17
    0
    SBU officers abducted junior contract service sergeant Alexander Baranov and ensign Maxim Odintsov. Children who refused to support the Nazi regime of Ukraine and sided with the Russian Armed Forces were credited with high treason with preventive measures in the form of 13 and 14 years in prison.

    Auto RU. This example is not indicative and characteristic. The above-mentioned servicemen are themselves to blame. Under Ukrainian law, they are really to blame. and if so then there was nothing to rock the boat.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 6 2018 15: 15
      +9
      Quote: Letun_64
      The above-mentioned servicemen are themselves to blame.

      But are the fishermen themselves to blame?
      And the killed Russians in 2014 on our territory are also to blame?
      And the Ukrainian DRG killed in Crimea, too, are to blame?
      1. Flyer_64
        Flyer_64 April 6 2018 15: 48
        +1
        Do not pile in a heap. These soldiers crossed the border of the Russian Federation without the permission of the command. This is already a violation of Russian laws.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2018 16: 09
          +3
          it is about the actions of Ukraine against citizens of the Russian Federation.
          1. Flyer_64
            Flyer_64 April 6 2018 16: 12
            0
            It’s one thing when there are provocative actions against citizens of the Russian Federation, but when they themselves substitute and substitute the country.
            1. Abrascha
              Abrascha April 7 2018 01: 10
              +4
              I still admire your position fellow She’s just gorgeous, an excellent fan, that would do nothing. But it’s nothing that, for example, in Afghanistan, a moron who trampled into the village for some garbage, and whose soul was tormented there, then they searched the whole squad and turned the village over. Well, yes, if they found him alive, the detachment commander cleaned the scoreboard personally before the formation, they could have planted it, and so on. But they searched and found alive or already piece by piece. So cutlets, separately, flies, separately. If these are Russian gouges, then only Russia has the right to blame them. In addition, this attitude to their own citizens lowers Russia's reputation as a "Great Power" below the plinth. It is regrettable that I, an old Jew, have to explain such obvious things to you-Russian.
              1. Flyer_64
                Flyer_64 April 7 2018 08: 32
                0
                Quote: Abrascha
                I still admire your position fellow She’s just gorgeous, an excellent fan, that would do nothing. But it’s nothing that, for example, in Afghanistan, a moron who trampled into the village for some garbage, and whose soul was tormented there, then they searched the whole squad and turned the village over. Well, yes, if they found him alive, the detachment commander cleaned the scoreboard personally before the formation, they could have planted it, and so on. But they searched and found alive or already piece by piece. So cutlets, separately, flies, separately. If these are Russian gouges, then only Russia has the right to blame them. In addition, this attitude to their own citizens lowers Russia's reputation as a "Great Power" below the plinth. It is regrettable that I, an old Jew, have to explain such obvious things to you-Russian.

                An amazing position to bring everything to a heap. And the reputation of Russia has nothing to do with it. You want action in the genre of American militants, steep raids a bunch of troops along the border of Ukraine and stuff like that. Not that format. Afghanistan, Chechnya is one thing, sometimes there, because of gouging up to half a year, they laid down to recapture or find, or even redeemed for the ammunition that flew into us. And here is another state and the integrated military personnel of that state, which have changed their oath. This is a very important point. And the second moment they were warned about all the consequences if they went abroad. Forewarned is forearmed. A lads thought a freebie ride. And so I remind you of the general attention. Victor Butt is sitting in the USA. What has Russia done? A civilian pilot is also in the United States. The Russian Federation has opportunities where it has. And where there is no sitting on the priest exactly.
                1. Abrascha
                  Abrascha April 7 2018 13: 30
                  +2
                  Interestingly, will you allow anyone other than you to personally punish your children? And right before your eyes? I'm here, no. If my dunce whips around somewhere, then only I have the right to personally flog it (if this is my father’s will). I personally will tear off all the other hands. Examples with Butt, Yaroshenko and others are not wealthy, this is just another example of Russian disgrace and impotence of political will, we would like to pull it out, they would have pulled it out a long time ago, I can even tell you how))). Well, at least there are Americans, well, here who? Although if we recall the history of about ten years ago with the Tajik squeezing (even funny to write) in the Russian Federation with the An-72 transport, then there is nothing to be surprised at all. About the fact that in Afghanistan, because of some rzdolbaev half-openings, and even more were laid, it was true, (even somehow I personally had to collect the consequences of such idiocy in pieces, the village of Daridam), but only those were far from being soldiers were, and wore epaulets with good stars. Well, okay, this is a thing of the past, I don’t like to remember. In general, let me remind you of such a simple truth: “Whoever wants to do something, does it, if it doesn’t work out, he looks for options and does it anyway. Well, whoever doesn’t want to, he doesn’t do it, he just looks for options it didn’t work "If the Russian Federation didn’t initially intend to become a great power, then it would continue to sit on the pope evenly and in the spring of 2014, Crimea should not be squeezed out of ukrov and screaming all over the world about the Russian world and about Russians, as the biggest on a land of divided people. etc. Well, since you’ve gotten into a fight, fight, and don’t have to tighten your tail. This is very bad for reputation, and karma too)))
                  1. Flyer_64
                    Flyer_64 April 7 2018 19: 47
                    0
                    If the Russian Federation was not originally going to become a great power.
                    And so cling to great sovereignty. Tsarist Russia was also a great power. How many European countries freed from all sorts of "evil spirits", and serfdom was canceled only at the end of the 19th century when Europe had already forgotten about it. And Stalin, evil to the enemies of his comrades, spread rot in the GULAGs. What is it for? For the great, the holders do not notice the petty, and if they notice, then after such cases as in Kemerovo. And two guys who were integrated and, through their own fault, got caught by the SBU, a trifle that they would not notice and would not do anything for them except what could be done on the Foreign Ministry line. I won’t even exchange them for those spy-saboteurs who were caught in the Crimea, because it’s shallow. Yes, cynical, but this is the position of those who form the position of leadership. About the Russian world. Russia at the beginning dispersed the Russian world for the sake of supposedly friendship with the former fraternal republics, and remembered 14m. With Crimea it turned out and he was Russian. But with southeastern Ukraine failed. There was a light feast Ep and some other politicians, I agree.
                    And talking about the greatness of Russia is a philosophical and rhetorical question and history will determine it.
                    1. Abrascha
                      Abrascha April 8 2018 21: 32
                      +1
                      And you know, you’re right, I’d probably even agree with you, a people who would treat their compatriots so swine, as the Russians do, perhaps I still need to look in the world, personally I just don’t know such a second people. Perhaps my horizons are too limited, but honestly, I don’t know the second such people. It’s sad.
                      1. Nulgorod
                        Nulgorod April 10 2018 16: 17
                        0
                        Syrians not?
          2. Bo Yari
            Bo Yari April 6 2018 20: 00
            0
            traitors are always traitors
    2. 97110
      97110 April 6 2018 21: 08
      +4
      Quote: Letun_64
      This example is not indicative and characteristic.

      On the contrary, it is very revealing and very characteristic. The said soldiers of the Russian Army where were they stolen? They, simple as 3 rubles, flooded into Ukrainian territory. It doesn’t enter their heads that Ukraine is an ENEMY, an ENEMY enemy. So long as the servicemen of the Russian Army do not understand this, do not believe that Ukraine = DEATH, and do not understand the other new Russian citizens, we must not twitch. People like Russian there. And I have my sons, relatives. My sons are more dear to me than the new Russians, who won’t understand where the enemy is. Putin is right, a hundred times right. I, too, am not ready to forget how in Soviet times the Donetsk people answered through our lips with a lip: "No. We’ve got Muscovites!" And as they said after the collapse of the USSR: "Let them sit without our bread!" This is about us, about Russia, about Russians. In Donetsk and the region. And the wife, who hails from there, is a witness.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 7 2018 16: 06
        0
        Quote: 97110
        flooded into Ukrainian territory

        the capture was on a neutral strip, and a car from a Ukrainian spetsnaz drove into it from the Russian territory
        1. 97110
          97110 April 7 2018 16: 30
          0
          Quote: Silvestr
          the capture was in the neutral zone,

          Thanks for the clarification. That is, the guys tried, tried to turn on the brains, but their switches got fed up. So, without brains, and climbed across the border. For 4 (FOUR !!!) years they have not yet reached! What are the claims to Putin? We can’t be allowed across the border, one and a half - we will take all prisoners! Deputy politicians, party organizers, Komsomol members, AUUUU! Homeland is in danger!
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 7 2018 17: 07
            +2
            Quote: 97110
            What claims to Putin?

            what does he have to do with it?
            Quote: 97110
            We can’t be allowed across the border, one and a half - we will take all prisoners!

            looking where. In Ukraine, the smart will not go
            Here the fishermen hoped for the best, and now they scratch their turnips.
  21. Dukat22
    Dukat22 April 6 2018 14: 19
    +4
    Nobody pokes their head in the Donbass on a large scale, everyone is afraid, and by and large Moscow already has nothing to lose. As soon as there is only a major provocation and offensive, I am sure ours will enter. Scenario about Salokashvili number 2. No wonder Putin is investing in the army, and liberals are against. It’s just that Ukrainians and Russians will die 5 times more. Quickly develop air defense, here is Syria 2. You don’t have to blow a moment so that we don’t stay extreme, and for this Donbass needs to hold out for some time.
    Just if you recognize him now, then there will be no way to conquer him all. In any case, competent people and authorities in the region will decide.
    1. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 7 2018 00: 53
      0
      In this matter, you should not generalize everything like that, if you personally have nothing to lose, then you should not think so for others)))) The guys in the Kremlin still have a lot to lose)))
  22. Architects
    Architects April 6 2018 14: 37
    +5
    The article is mostly vinaigrette, seasoned with emotions. But the matter requires accuracy and deliberation, a clear dosage
  23. Kibl
    Kibl April 6 2018 16: 01
    +1
    Damn .... Again the war, maybe it’s time for Russia to really intervene in the conflict. If those who are stubborn with donkey stubbornness have been yelling about Russian aggression for the fourth year now, why should they be shy. It’s necessary to slaughter the “ancients” with feelings, sense, arrangement!
    1. Captain m
      Captain m April 6 2018 18: 51
      +1
      The Ukrainian government directly declares that it is at war with Russia ... it remains to recall the joke: "..... and what is Russia? But Russia has not come to war !!!"
    2. 97110
      97110 April 6 2018 21: 13
      0
      Quote: KIBL
      why be shy. It is necessary to hollow the "ancients" not for children, but with feeling, plainly, arrangement!

      You mean bastard? That's right, how many of these ... endure. Rumble a bomb, where there are fewer Russians, it will be quieter ... Or not?
  24. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN April 6 2018 16: 17
    +6
    Muddy like that. Diplomats, like soccer players, are chasing balls; those who are more well-read are competing. And things are getting worse and worse. The West has a tremendous advantage over us. They rally around the United States, and those who hesitate will give money and will gladly support it.
    And we all wonder when it will explode. That’s for the presidential election, now the World Cup for football (although what to us at this holiday of life with our canine footballers), The probability that the World Cup will be boycotted is very high. The authorities are trying to hold their breath because of this. Ukrainians captured the Crimeans, who incidentally joined the Russian Federation in the hope of receiving protection from inadequacies, a week of silence.
    Only Katya on "Time will tell" and the leader puzzle how to save the sailors. You understand people's diplomacy. A black-haired woman, with an eternal smile on her face (some kind of illness?) Barks like in her farm, introducing a venerable audience into a stupor.
    And you understand with chagrin that there will be no Marshal Zhukov, a 500-kilometer T-34 throw across the Tatra Mountains to the rescue of Prague, a skillful submarine maneuver under the command of A. Marinesko off the coast of Koenigsberg. "Is there gunpowder in the powder flask? Is there an old man, there is still"
    The people crushed. No, I do not want war. But nothing depends on me. What happened? What will we fight for? For Dvorkovich? Their name is Legion.
  25. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 6 2018 17: 17
    +1
    We need to defeat Kiev once and for all. The pretext is loan default. withdraw all heavy weapons, blow up all the factories of military equipment and leave. Let them jump on .. bully
  26. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 6 2018 17: 37
    +4
    As well as probably many are convinced that one should talk with banderlogs only from a position of strength and let them howl about Russian aggression. Maybe it's time to call a spade a spade - they are ENEMIES !!! And no less dangerous than others. And if not, then what else to wait for when the Russians will not remain there, and we will see a continuous wall of howling ghouls .....
    But at the same time I think (or hope) that in all actions there is a sense and perspective. Otherwise, why did they vote.
    1. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
      Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 6 2018 22: 09
      0
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      They will give money and will gladly support it.

      They will give it completely without pleasure and support from under the stick. Well, except for the completely shaken off type of zheks or labuses
  27. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 6 2018 19: 29
    +4
    To remove the 5-column from power, the faster the better. Enough 25 years we hear about friendship with the West on which he did not care. They have one Carthage (Russia) should be destroyed and that's it. And we can make peace and we will go to the Canaries and eat cheese. There is nothing but the bunk in the West. but apparently does not reach.
  28. Strelets1
    Strelets1 April 6 2018 19: 37
    +2
    Quote: tank64rus
    To remove the 5-column from power, the faster the better. Enough 25 years we hear about friendship with the West on which he did not care. They have one Carthage (Russia) should be destroyed and that's it. And we can make peace and we will go to the Canaries and eat cheese. There is nothing but the bunk in the West. but apparently does not reach.


    How not to get it? It comes even very much - just apartments in Miami and Montreal are more expensive, and Russia is a place where you can cut loot (because in the same Miami and Montreal to do this is not an accident ...)
  29. Bo Yari
    Bo Yari April 6 2018 19: 59
    +2
    [/ Quote] Children who refused to support the Nazi regime of Ukraine and sided with the Russian Armed Forces were credited with high treason with preventive measures in the form of 13 and 14 years in prison. [quote]
    ......... hmm .. but by all moral and ethical standards, we are talking about two traitors who violated the oath .. they are worthless.
  30. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov April 6 2018 21: 06
    0
    We are using the “Nord” case for straining in the Sea of ​​Azov - we need mass demonstrations there, and not the corpses of dumb dill guards. We need a mass protest action against Kiev everywhere, including Donetsk, Lugansk and Moscow. On a pair of soldiers who died as a result of border dodging, you won’t raise the masses, but we need MASSES. And the timeliness of their ORGANIZED performance. And there is nothing for the author to whine at the arm of the organizers and rush things. Events must mature to be us in line.
  31. Zakonnik
    Zakonnik April 6 2018 21: 11
    0
    Everything that Ukrainian military units can count on, despite threefold numerical superiority

    Yeah, actually everything in military science - in the offensive - is a threefold numerical advantage. those. Unfortunately, there are conditions for success.
    1. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
      Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 6 2018 21: 58
      0
      Well, nominally yes. And the advantage and all that. Just behind LDNR there is one big country, which has a tenfold advantage.
      Yes. It is regrettable for us and no less sad for the inhabitants of the former eastern usraina, but they will say “face” just about ..
      It is clear that the Ukrainians just ** this is not such a super-problem, although it will not be easy. The problem is that the Western alliance will completely go mad. Attempts to reformat the post-war world order have acquired the character of mania. And I won’t be surprised if the UN together with the Security Council ceases to exist in our usual form.
      And then only a serious big war ...
      And as its indirect signs, I’ll call you revitalization in Kosovo, the closure of Afghanistan, increased work with Asian countries exUSSR, a significant freeze on the financing of the Syrian mess and its transfer to a smoldering regime.
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 7 2018 10: 59
      0
      Quote: Zakonnik
      Everything that Ukrainian military units can count on, despite threefold numerical superiority

      Yeah, actually everything in military science - in the offensive - is a threefold numerical advantage. those. Unfortunately, there are conditions for success.

      Now it is believed that a three-fold advantage is not enough. A minimum of 4 x is needed.
  32. Tolyamba Zamkadsky
    Tolyamba Zamkadsky April 6 2018 21: 48
    +1

    Quote: sasha.28blaga
    climbed into Syria, Iraq, Libya, occupied oil fields, collapsed oil prices and wait for Russia to remain without oil money

    My friend, all of the above is true for 2014, but now 2018
  33. stasevich45
    stasevich45 April 6 2018 21: 53
    +1
    I have now looked at the record of the UN Security Council meeting on the Skripal case dated 05,04,18, then on 14.03.2018. There (in the west) it is useless to someone to explain something. It is necessary to prepare for a fight.
  34. demo
    demo April 6 2018 21: 55
    +2
    Serious gusts of the "North Wind" should be felt on Bankova.
    How can we sober Ukrainians drunk from the drunk blood?
    1. Placement, in close proximity to the state border of Russia with Ukraine, of tank and motorized infantry formations. For carrying out exercises and maneuvers.
    2. To place Iskander launchers in our territory near the state border. To carry on duty.
    3. To complicate the passage of ships to the ports of Ukraine under the pretext of checking for the presence of components of poisonous substances, drugs and other substances prohibited for free circulation into the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov.
    4. When transporting through the Kerch Strait, require phytosanitary permission issued by Russian government agencies. (It is advisable to place the clause of the document of issue in Vladivostok or in Chukotka.
    5. Stop shipment of Donetsk coal to Ukraine for 1 month. Due to strikes in the USA.
    6. Announce no-fly zones over the Black Sea every week. With the neutralization of UAVs flying along the border.
    7. Put for preventive maintenance sections of the gas pipeline and pumping stations for one month.
    8. To declare in the country a set of people wishing to take part in the protection of Russian-speaking citizens in neighboring countries with a 2-month training camp at the locations of tank and motorized infantry formations.
    9. To pursue a more aggressive foreign policy towards Ukrainians arriving and departing to the territory of the Russian Federation.
    10. Activate to the maximum extent the misinformation programs of the leadership of Ukraine, the EU and the USA with the aim of creating a total distrust of "all to all."

    And then there are options about which it is not worth writing openly. Smart think for yourself.
  35. shoroh
    shoroh April 6 2018 22: 32
    0
    Guns are the last argument of kings. If Ukrainians trample, and the situation will be like in Tskhinval, then, yes, Russia will have to enter the war with Ukraine. But ours rely on the fact that the Ukrainians are still not completely crazy.
  36. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha April 6 2018 22: 46
    +1
    Everywhere, on all fronts, Western bastards begin to provoke us to war. We need to keep the answer on the diplomatic front, restrain ourselves until the scoundrels make stupidity and make a mistake. And it will be invariable because the intensity of the confrontation sweeps not only the Anglo-Saxons, but also Bandera.
  37. stasevich45
    stasevich45 April 6 2018 23: 43
    +1
    This is more like an ultimatum about surrender: https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/2
    01804061946-k0dn.htm there is not a word about Russian diplomats.
  38. Abrascha
    Abrascha April 7 2018 00: 39
    +1
    In the light of recent events, there is a strong opinion that all these statements of the Ukrainian military are not so groundless, and that if there is a slight desire, the Ukrainian army can parade even to Moscow, even to Vladik. And no response from the Kremlin will follow, well, unless there will be an appeal to the UN Security Council with the lowest request to condemn the insidious offender. The Kremlin, in principle, is not capable of any other, all the more stringent, retaliatory measures. Unfortunately, political impotence is not treated with any medication.
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  40. Mefodi5124
    Mefodi5124 April 7 2018 05: 16
    +1
    This is a circus! Everything will continue this way!
  41. Anatoly R
    Anatoly R April 7 2018 07: 45
    +1
    Guys, for starters, it is necessary to declare the Ukrainian region TEMPORARILY OCCUPIED BY THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA SHANTRAPA FROM KIEV.
  42. Anatoly R
    Anatoly R April 7 2018 07: 46
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Guys, first you need to declare the Ukrainian region TEMPORALLY OCCUPIED BY THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA CHANTRAUPA FROM KIEV

    Quote: The same Lech
    Kiev began to act much more provocatively and insolently in the spring of 2018, after receiving a go-ahead from Washington for a punitive operation in the Donbass and guarantees of comprehensive diplomatic and military-technical support during the upcoming escalation.


    This is the corporate identity of the Kiev regime and it will be fully applied in anticipation of the World Cup in RUSSIA.
    Our country still cannot allow itself sharp movements against Ukrainian provocateurs ... but nevertheless, there is a process of accumulating a negative potential, so to speak, against them, and I believe that one day our military will have free hands ... when it comes to hard to say .. .I suppose that after the completion of the peace enforcement operation of the United States and its satellites in SYRIA. what


    Guys, first you need to declare the Ukrainian region TEMPORALLY OCCUPIED BY THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIA CHANTRAUPA FROM KIEV
  43. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx April 7 2018 09: 28
    0
    It is necessary to act extremely harshly with Ukraine, especially in connection with recent events. In addition, we must not forget that we can answer this country precisely in the economic sphere, even to the extent that we block their transit through our territory. We must begin to strangle this country, put pressure on it by all means, using every opportunity in the economy. And also do the same with the Baltic states.
  44. link
    link April 7 2018 10: 06
    +3
    A lot of text. But what did you want to say?
    Regarding the Donbass and Ukraine - "on the western front without change."
    But the case of the capture of the Crimean seiner shows that the ships of the coast guard of the FSB border service of the Russian Federation, the ships of the OVR Black Sea Fleet are sleeping under a hat. Shame on you!
    1. Sergey Koryagin
      Sergey Koryagin April 7 2018 13: 27
      0
      I apologize for interrupting. I think they’re not sleeping, but they just sucks know their duties, which should be performed on the machine.
      1. Senior manager
        Senior manager April 7 2018 14: 47
        +2
        Quote: Sergey Koryagin
        I apologize for interrupting. I think they’re not sleeping, but they just sucks know their duties, which should be performed on the machine.

        Did not serve like in the sun. There will be an order - and the Carpathians will become Russian. It seems that at this time there is an order - not to make sudden movements, appointed people respond to provocations. The Chinese, too, were not touched by the loathsome amphibian in the disputed territories, so what? Yes, and not that person GDP, with his memory is normal. The process is going on, not all of us know, but we would like.
        1. Sergey Koryagin
          Sergey Koryagin April 12 2018 09: 21
          0
          Urgent - the chief ship foreman will suit you?
  45. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 7 2018 10: 57
    0
    Kiev began to operate in the spring of the 2018 year, after receiving a go-ahead from Washington for carrying out a punitive operation in the Donbass

    Damantsev, in the course, forgot only to set an exact date. Without this, vanging is not so spectacular. In fact, this is the hundredth (over the past two years) reprint of the same materials with the same pseudo-analytical conclusions.
  46. Fosfor_ru
    Fosfor_ru April 7 2018 10: 57
    0
    Calm down all. Soon the global financial crisis will all of us and all will have no time for war - keep the last pants. Who did not understand what I mean - see financial analytics (where which bubble is inflated), and the chronology - 1998, 2008 ... 201 ..
  47. Antares
    Antares April 7 2018 11: 19
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    After reading the comments, I thought. I understand that the war with the Russian Federation is generally not popular in Ukrainian society, despite the efforts of propaganda. But if the Russian Federation itself throws firewood, then everything will change. Since people here and there are the same, stubborn, hard to climb, but they fight the same way, I can imagine the scale of the future. Total hatred and blood and no victory of the Russian Federation there does not smell. This is how Tver will fight with Moscow, destroy a couple of millions of citizens and, of course, both will lose.
    The position voiced by the propagandists of the two sides is unequivocal - we are good, fluffy, we didn’t touch anyone, they ruined everything bad and deserved punishment. However, both are to blame (here there are Maidan, Crimea, Ordilo and war are different in all areas). The simplest logic is We or They.
    Everyone here for some reason thinks that it’s time to spit - click on the button and see the ruins of the ancient city of Russia (that is, destroy the cradle of your own country with your own hands) and the inscription You won, and go drink beer.
    Not all boils down only to Russia-Ukraine. And in cases of confrontation, we already see that Georgia did not happen again.
    1. Abrascha
      Abrascha April 7 2018 18: 06
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      Yes, you don’t particularly worry about the war with the Russian Federation. The Kremlin against Ukraine is completely herbivorous and no harsh reaction will be taken regarding the actions of both the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions. You can even cut out all the Russians in Ukraine, believe the Kremlin and will not budge. Today in the Kremlin, solid pragmatists are sitting, and they have absolutely no commercial interests (well, apart from the pipe) in Ukraine, so you have nothing to fear. You can do anything you like, most importantly, do not touch the pipe. Maxim what can be expected from the Kremlin is a little noise in the media and an appeal to the UN Security Council (well, you do not care). I’ll personally tell you even more in confidence. The GDP has personally personally regretted a million times that Crimea squeezed you out and allowed the Russians in Donbass to raise their heads. If he had, he would have returned it with an apology, but trouble, it can’t. To his personal bitter regret, there are still people left in Russia for which the Russian world is not an empty phrase. Of course, there are few of these and soon will not remain at all, but there are still. Sadness for him and for you.
  48. oleg8037
    oleg8037 April 7 2018 13: 38
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    or maybe like Georgians in 2008
  49. 3color190
    3color190 April 7 2018 13: 39
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    The text * Forgiveness * of the inhabitants of Donbass before the people of Ukraine for treason has already been drawn up.
  50. uizik
    uizik April 7 2018 14: 07
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    Of course, the leadership of Russia knows better. The situation is reminiscent of 1941. If Kiev does not begin military operations in May-June, then after the World Cup in football there will be a reason to "put them in place!"