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In the spring of 1989. Eternal memory to the perished sailors

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Part of 1. "Elton"


On Sunday, 9 in April at 10.00, the commander of the hydrographic vessel "Elton", became the duty officer of the division. Already in the afternoon, an understanding came: something happened in the sea. In the evening, the task was set to pick up a vessel that has a hydrological cable of at least 2000 meters in length and capable of reaching full autonomy tomorrow.

In the spring of 1989. Eternal memory to the perished sailors


Almost all vessels with oceanographic equipment were in the base. These primarily included the oceanographic research vessels (OS) of the 850 project and the hydrographic vessels of the 862 project. These were ships of sufficiently large displacement and unlimited seaworthiness, and performing oceanographic research was their main purpose. The corresponding equipment on these vessels was guaranteed to be available. There was only one problem: the actual readiness to go to full autonomy. Everything was explained simply. These ships went to sea on 60-90 days of no more than 2 once a year, each time performing the required pre-navigation measures according to the annual plan of oceanographic research. The rest of the time the ship was moored, the crew was on vacation and the accumulated time off. It was very difficult to prepare the unit for unscheduled access to the sea for full autonomy in less than a day.

There were also universal hydrographic vessels (gis) of 860 and 861 projects. Their versatility consisted in the ability to perform both oceanographic research and pilotage (delivery of supplies to lighthouses, maintenance of coastal lights and floating warning signs). But the readiness of these vessels was very high. Most of the crew was always on board. Going to sea was planned weekly plan, and then it happened suddenly. From among the smaller part of the crew that did not live on board, many did not go ashore in order to have a good rest before another departure to the sea. It was also much easier to replenish the stocks of these vessels, since their displacement was one and a half to two times less. Seaworthiness was also unlimited. Doubt caused only the state of oceanographic equipment, since it was used relatively rarely on these vessels.

Somewhere in the sea was a hydrographic vessel 861 of the Kolguev project, but it was re-equipped to search for submarines and was currently performing combat service tasks. The command, obviously, knew better how to dispose of them.

After some deliberation, the commander of the Elton on duty in the division came to the conclusion that there were only two options: Boris Boris Davydov and the Elton proper GIS.

At the Elton hydrological winch, the cable was exactly more than two kilometers. As recently as last year, the vessel carried out hydrological work in the Greenland Sea for 60 days. The officer on duty in the division did not believe in the opportunity to prepare for the release, but the commander of the Davydov was on board, who suddenly announced his readiness to carry out any command of the command. The command apparently also had doubts about the readiness of the Boris Davydovs, and the task of preparing the ship for sailing was put to the commander of the Elton, removing him from duty on Monday morning two hours before the shift.

The exit was scheduled for 15.00. By lunchtime, the crew was on board. Missing were notified and arrived on time. The fuel and water reserves were replenished to full standards from neighboring vessels by 14.00 p.m. We decided the issue of baking bread. In the division, it was customary to freeze bread in large quantities for the future, however, it was already impossible to get bread. Useful experience of the commander of the "Elton" on the Black Sea navywhere the bread was baked into the sea, receiving flour for the whole trip. The expeditionary staff of the Northern Fleet Hydrographic Service arrived aboard. The purpose of the campaign was still not entirely clear.

Finally, in 17.00, a go-ahead was received for sailing into the Sayda Bay, and the vessel departed from the berth of Mishukovo. In 19.45, Elton moored in Yagelnaya Bay. By midnight, RCBZ specialists arrived on board with the instruments. It became clear that they would do most of the work. At the same time, it became known for certain about the death of the Soviet K-278 nuclear submarine Komsomolets. The point of death of the submarine designated "K-3", the commander of "Elton" reported approximate coordinates. On 7 in the morning of April 11, the Elton departed from the pier with the task of following the Greenland Sea.



At the point “K-3” “Elton” arrived on April 12, at 22.00, and immediately began the selection of air, water on different horizons and soil samples. The results of radiation measurements were immediately transmitted to the fleet headquarters. In parallel, a visual observation of the water surface was established. The coast guard ship in Norway was already in the area. He was contacted by VHF and handed a proposal to stay away. Soon he departed in a southerly direction.

A day later, on April 13, our destroyer approached K-3. "Elton" got close to him on voice communication. From the destroyer the last command instructions and the specified coordinates were transmitted. In the very first days, overflights of the ship began to be carried out by the base patrol aircraft aviation The United States Navy type "Orion", once Norwegian helicopter flew. On April 15, Elton replenished fuel and water from the Dubna tanker. Almost all the time it was stormy. The excitement subsided to five points, then intensified to seven.

April 22 to the point came NIS "V. Berezkin ”The USSR Hydrometeorological Service has been brightening up Elton’s loneliness for almost a week. Storm close to each other, the vessels exchanged navigational information. The determination of the coordinates of the vessel in the area was not very good. At best, according to the SNC “Tsikada”, it was possible to get one observation in an 4 hour. From time to time I had to take on a sextant.

Specialists of the GS SF, who were on board, tried to “hang” on such rare observations of the depths in the area that it was very poorly combined with storm tacks and maneuvering to perform the main task of monitoring the radiation situation. The task to perform the survey was set in connection with the expected arrival of the vessel of the carrier of the deep-sea apparatus. The commander of "Elton" for a couple with the first mate (and both of them were officers-hydrographs) went the other way. From the very beginning of the location in the area, each observation of the SNA was applied to a previously prepared tablet in the projection of the Mercator 1 scale: 25000. The measure was compulsory, since there simply did not exist maps for this region that were larger than the 1: 500000 scale. All the maneuvers of the vessel for the month of navigation on such a map could easily be closed with an 1-penny coin. At each observation, the commander ordered the depth of the depth finder to be fixed. In the end, the entire tablet was covered with depths, which made it possible to conduct isobaths. With the seconded hydrographs, everything was done correctly, but on three sheets of thin tracing paper with rare random tack gauges, which we managed to hook on at least two observations. Using it for navigation purposes was almost impossible. Therefore, when the Perseus of the Baltic Fleet arrived in a point with a deep-water vehicle on board in mid-May, the commander of the Elton handed over his map to the Perseus, which he himself had maneuvered for about a month. I must say, the commander of the Perseus appreciated the work of the Elton navigators and, as he could, expressed his gratitude.



Immediately after the meeting with Perseus, Elton received an order to proceed to the base and in 04.00 16 May was moored in the same Yagelnaya Bay. Specialists from the RCBZ who monitored went off the board. Excess of the natural background of the radiation situation has not been identified. Before lunch, managed to replenish food and water. It was 1989 year. There was simply no water in Mishukovo at that time, but there were problems with getting food. After lunch, “Elton” left the Yagelnaya Bay and, two and a half hours later, moored in Mishukovo at the 4 berth with the 2 body to the same type “Kolguev”. The crews of both vessels were impressed by the recent tragic events in which they somehow had to take part, and of course immediately began a lively exchange of information.

So what did the Kolguev sailors really see? Look at the events of April 1989, through the eyes of the commander of the "Kolguev".

Part of 2. Kolguev

On April 7, at 10.00, the commander of the hydrographic vessel Kolguev, as usual, was on the bridge and routinely peered at the monotonous picture of the Greenland Sea along the course. Recently, in accordance with the campaign plan, he gave the command to lie down on a course of 180º. The ship on the 6-node course gently rocked. The excitement was no more than 4 points, which could be considered a lull.



The only midshipman in the crew went up to the bridge, and this could only mean one thing: another telegram from the command was received. This time, the fleet headquarters warned that the Kolguev course was the area for maneuvering the Soviet submarine K-278. The Kolguev search equipment could detect the “trace” of the boat, so the commander was warned. The area was located on the border of the Greenland and Norwegian Seas.

In 11.15, a mark appeared almost directly on the course on the “Don” radar screen. According to calculations, the goal of the move was not. Soon she was able to see visually - it was a submarine on the surface. The commander made the decision to get as close as possible to identify the boat. If it is "alien", it was necessary to prepare a report. It could have been “its own”, since it was already the area mentioned in the telegram. In any case, it is strange why the boat is on the surface. With conversations on VHF also did not want to shine ahead of time.

Shortly before noon, they got close to the submarine. In the distance around the cable train, voice communication was established. The boat was Soviet, and the submariners clearly had some problems. On the upper deck was part of the team, but there seemed to be no signs of an accident. The commander of the Kolguev through a megaphone asked if help was needed. The response from the boat commander was negative, Kolguev was offered to follow its course. Well, okay, you never know what the submariners decided to do in the open sea ...

The Kolguev entered the Norwegian Sea and continued to move away from the nuclear-powered submarine south to the south with the same 6-knot junction. However, soon negotiations began to be tapped on VHF - the boat interacted with the fleet aviation. It was difficult to understand anything concrete; perhaps these were teachings. Reason to change course was not. It all started around 16.30. From what was heard by VHF, it has already become clear that there was an accident on the boat, alarming notes were growing in the negotiations. The commander of the "Kolguyev" ordered to lie on the reverse course and choose the towed device. A minute later the midshipman with a telegram rose to the bridge. The text contained an order to follow the emergency course to the emergency boat, the telegram was signed more than an hour ago ... A few minutes later the same order was duplicated through the battle command channels (remember, remember!).

In 5 hours, the ship 6-hub managed to move away from the boat by about 30 miles. This means that with the maximum possible stroke this distance can be overcome in about 2 hours. We chose the towed devices to 17.00 and soon went into full speed mode, and after a few more minutes the revolutions were brought to 225 per minute, which corresponded to the most full speed and 16 nodes. 232 revolutions per minute were not allowed even on the measuring line, only on running trials after repair — this was the maximum possible course, and the mechanics gradually came to this mode. The vessel with the speed of 17 nodes was rapidly approaching the scene of the accident.

At the meeting point with the submarine "Kolguev" arrived about 19 hours. Boats on the surface of the ocean was gone. Rescue operation deployed in time, "Khlobystov." He arrived almost an hour earlier, and he managed to save many submariners. Kolguev was destined to lift only four dead sailors from the water. The bodies were handed over to Khlobystov and for another day they plowed the area with tacks, lifting everything from the surface of the water that could be related to the catastrophe ...

Epilogue

All of us were hard at what had happened to the Komsomolets submarine. In the press, one after another, they began to publish articles describing the chronology of events and attempts to understand the causes of such dire consequences. Mention was also made of the inadequate training of the crew for rescue operations, and the lack of necessary rescue equipment in the fleet in adequate readiness, and the lack of interaction with the Norwegian Navy. But never once was it mentioned that the hydrographic vessel Kolguev was located at the side of the emergency submarine Komsomolets almost immediately after the boat had risen to the surface and could have taken submariners that were not involved in the struggle for survivability. "Kolguyev" could simply be located at the side of the emergency submarine or nearby in the area of ​​the accident, but did not receive such an order ...

Many years have passed since then. The rescue training of crews of ships and ships of the Navy has reached a qualitatively new level. It is not fast enough, but still modern rescue equipment arrives at the fleet. In readiness for rescue actions are specially designated fleet forces. Even with the Norwegian Navy, joint exercises are held from time to time.

And yet, along with purely technical reasons and insurmountable forces of nature, the notorious human factor continues to play its ominous role.

Eternal memory to the sailors who died in the ocean!
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor April 7 2018 06: 50
    +7
    Secrecy × mess = tragedy!
    1. domnich
      April 7 2018 08: 16
      +24
      There was such a time. It seems that only after these events they began to think about a reasonable limit of secrecy.
      Yes, no one could have imagined that such a ship could sink so easily - neither the commander, nor the headquarters of the fleet. However, I was taught - in the event of any minor accident on the ship, to declare an emergency alarm throughout the ship and its environs, to accumulate means of survivability control in the accident area, even if they are not needed at first glance, but can be useful. In practice, of course, everything is different ...
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter April 7 2018 08: 51
        +11
        Sergei hi Thanks for the article and for the reminder of the tragedy.
      2. Svarog51
        Svarog51 April 7 2018 08: 58
        +16
        Sergey, welcome hi
        The response of the boat commander was negative. Kolguyev was offered to follow his course.

        It turns out that if the commander of the boat had to stay “Kolguev” until the situation on board was clarified, could there be much less victims?
        Eternal memory to the heroes. soldier
        1. domnich
          April 7 2018 09: 15
          +10
          Kolguev’s, unlike Khlobystov’s, has a total height of only 1 meters (from deck to water). Of course, he could have raised a lot of people, if not taken from the boat ...
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 April 7 2018 09: 24
            +5
            A few minutes later the same order was duplicated through the channels of combat control (well, remember!)

            And why were these channels not used, or are they one-way?
            1. domnich
              April 7 2018 09: 40
              +7
              We won’t talk much about channels, but it’s much faster than an ordinary TLG. And then this campaign was not immediately remembered.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 April 7 2018 09: 54
                +5
                I hope they are encrypted? Then, all the more it is not clear. Having such a connection, “Kolguyev” had to request the command about his further actions. And in the interests of the command it would be to hold him near the boat. request
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 April 7 2018 10: 22
                  +9
                  hi Hello namesake!
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Having such a connection, Kolguyev was supposed to request command

                  You forget about the “super-secrecy” associated with all nuclear submarines at that time, although this secrecy concerned mainly our sailors, the adversary sneezed at this secrecy and knew all the news on nuclear submarines almost simultaneously with the command of the Navy
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 April 7 2018 10: 46
                    +6
                    Hi Seryoga. hi Yes, I know about "super secret", I do not understand the "super mess" or if you want - "super marasmus". Didn’t they know about the accident at the Headquarters at the time Kolguev was near Komsomolets? They gave him 30 miles to leave, and then they just turned back, having lost 7 hours. And how can you forget about combat control channels in this situation? Aren't they meant for this? In addition to "super secret" some other factors played a role. IMHO of course.
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 April 7 2018 11: 06
                      +7
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      I do not understand the "superbuck"

                      Serge, so superbardak and super secret, they are two boots of a pair! The mess is perfectly covered by secrecy! Now come back to 89, a mess not only in the fleet, but throughout the country! In the 85, Gorshkov was taken off; in the 87 of Sokolov, who stood up after them? Yazov-rogue and sneak, Chernavin is a good division commander, but the useless Commander-in-Chief, he, being a Glack, acted like a division commander. In 87, the Captain was removed from the KSF and replaced with the “black genius of the Russian fleet” Gromov, I won’t be surprised to know that Gromov already in 89 threw himself in the place of Chernavin and, if so, the “iron Felix” scandal of local significance was not at all in the suit! But when the fried smell, then everyone started to fuss!
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 April 7 2018 11: 20
                        +3
                        Serge, so superbardak and super secret, they are two boots of a pair!

                        Well, actually, I said the same thing, only in other words. Take command of timely and energetic measures - the scale of the tragedy would be smaller, or perhaps even minimal. But what happened - do not rewind. request
                      2. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker April 7 2018 18: 05
                        +6
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Serge, so superbardak and super secret, they are two boots of a pair! The mess is perfectly covered by secrecy!

                        I’ll tell you about the organization of the “service” on the KSF as an eyewitness of those years .....
                        The end of October 1986. I, the third captain of the captain, accept the running watch at 08: 00 at the headquarters. Our timber carrier lies in a drift waiting for the "good" from Voskhod-Toros to the entrance to the Kola Bay for the purpose of mooring at the pier of the port of Murmansk. There is a cassette player on the bridge with the possibility of recording negotiations on VHF - life has already taught us that you can’t get a phone call. We keep in touch on 16, the on-duty VHF channel. Murmansk port dispatcher, Murmansk Radio-5, "sits" there.
                        Approximately in 10: 00 I get instructions from Voskhod-Toros to be ready to follow the method of leadership following the vessel from the NWP - they entered straight off (I don’t remember the name). He reported the received "good" to the captain and in the Moscow Region. Chernomorets came up, started moving and we followed him.
                        When passing the traverse of Toros Island, the SNiS post from there suddenly asks us in an impolite manner - such as "where are you going to go?". We, of course, reply that we follow your instructions. The sailor from Voskhod-Toros declares that he didn’t give such "good." There’s a hitch on the bridge. All eyes are on me. You, like, what did the young navigator invent?
                        Fortunately for me, in our dispute between “Good or not good” with Voskhod-Toros, a woman dispatcher from Murmansk Radio-5 wedges in, reproaching Toros that she herself heard how they gave “good” to our ship (she also began to prepare a pier for us and berthing services, on the basis of permission heard from Toros. "
                        God, what happened on the air on the 16 channel of VHF to this woman from a serving Sunrise-Toros! Words can not describe. But our wise captain by the name of Merzon, a graduate of the Navy's school, by the way, Khrushchev’s dispersal of the army and navy, forced to change the Navy to the Navy, has already turned on the cassette for recording.
                        We, meanwhile, turned around and left the restricted area.
                        I was rehabilitated. wassat
                        And the captain, upon arrival in Murmansk, sent a letter with an attached cassette, where all the Voskhod-Toros passages were recorded, to the KSF headquarters.
                        It is now in Murmansk and Severomorsk order. And then everyone saw - the country rolled downhill ....
                2. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa April 8 2018 12: 02
                  +4
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Having such a connection, “Kolguyev” had to request the command about his further actions.

                  Sergey, this is a one-way non-feedback communication for bringing combat control signals to forces at sea. What kind of "requests" are we talking about? Get involved!
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 April 8 2018 13: 18
                    +1
                    Alexander, in general, what hydrographic ships were then subordinate to?
                    1. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa April 8 2018 14: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      What hydrographic ships were there then?

                      If they received a combat order and went to the BS, then they were controlled by the Central Command of the Navy. It was also reported there, though the truth is always in the copy and on the CP of the fleet, too. In order not to rake on arrival, do not indulge in the most! Boats - only to the managing director in accordance with the schedule (communication order). Usually an 12 hourly program.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 April 8 2018 18: 57
                        +1
                        Just in this case, the CP would have a communication channel near the emergency boat and a "life buoy" if Kolguyev had not left. I proceed from the experience of my service, we have used all means of communication at the emergency site. And here... request
                3. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa April 8 2018 12: 11
                  +4
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  And in the interests of the command it would be to hold him near the boat.

                  For some reason, Python does not say that the Kolguyev commander should have reported on his actions to the CP NF (or the Navy Central Command, if he was under his command), such as: shir / holes, I’m on the E side. and subscription time. All the same, this event needs to be recorded in the watch officer. Question: did they inform the KP about the event or not?
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 April 8 2018 12: 56
                    +1
                    Alexander, well, I can only guess what is at stake. About one-sided, I only learned from you. Then it disappears for the request. Well, for the rest, the ciphers did not seem to be canceled? And so much has been written about the Enigma of Germany, which is surprising since we haven’t used it. In any scenario, if Kolguev were to stay near the boat, people would be saved.
                    Question: did they inform the KP about the event or not?

                    This is not known to me. And no one will give access. Alas.
                    1. Boa kaa
                      Boa kaa April 8 2018 14: 19
                      +2
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      About one-sided, I only learned from you.

                      Sergey, I'm talking about KSBU. And so there is a schedule, when and what you must convey to the CP. Usually: w / d, K, V, weather in the area and actions. The final, per day, another BP plan for the grid. But this is only for NK. Boats - without quotation and very sparingly.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 April 8 2018 19: 05
                        +1
                        Alexander, I unfortunately do not know how KSB is decrypted, probably connected with the Combat Command? Latitude / longitude, course, speed - I understand that. But after all, “Kolguyev” is NK - it could then hold an encrypted communication channel with the KP. In an extreme case, the submarine commander could forward his signalman to him and report on the situation. Or do I not understand something?
                  2. avt
                    avt April 8 2018 19: 35
                    +3
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    All the same, this event needs to be recorded in the watch officer. Question: did they inform the KP about the event or not?

                    hi So who now knows that! ?? I don’t even doubt that they were withdrawn by the investigation and they took a non-disclosure subscription for a child’s obviously not to them. Particleboard ". Yes and one hundred pounds, the case is vultured for ... t years. This is WORLD practice. Shaved under the bar with the extension of the permanent for 50 -100 years case on catastrophes of ships and ships from the First World minimum.
                  3. domnich
                    April 9 2018 17: 29
                    +3
                    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                    Question: did they inform the KP about the event or not?


                    Reported or not - it’s impossible to say for sure now. Meetings of this kind occur occasionally. Advocates report unambiguously. I personally, about five years before these events, had a meeting in Middle-earth with our diesel-electric submarines in the water position. He also came closer, made sure his own, and gave the radio about the fact of meeting at the CP fleet. As was the case with Kolguyev, one cannot ask the commander any more, and probably no one else ...
            2. 210ox
              210ox April 7 2018 13: 48
              +8
              Sergey, once again I want to thank for the article. Unfortunately, we (or rather many of us) for all this pace of life, earning livelihoods, everyday worries often forget about the tragic and heroic days of our history. Eternal memory to the submariners!
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 April 7 2018 10: 17
        +8
        Welcome Sergey hi
        Some questions ... or additions
        There was only one problem: the actual readiness to enter full autonomy. The explanation was simple. These vessels went to sea on 60-90 days no more than 2 once a year, each time carrying out the pre-navigation activities in accordance with the annual plan for oceanographic research. The rest of the time the ship stood at the berth, the crew took holidays and accumulated days off. To prepare an ois for an unscheduled access to the sea for full autonomy in less than a day was very problematic.

        The crews of hydrographs were mixed, the main part of the civilian crew was graduates of the 42 school of the Navy PSA, and these are young guys of 19-22 years. They were on board their ships almost round-the-clock; moreover, the ship's role was built in such a way that, in the absence of an 1 / 3 crew, the vessel could well fulfill the task. The supply of fuel, water, food and delivery of the missing part of the crew could be promptly carried out already at sea, for example, with 249 UVSP forces.
        The commander of the CSF at that time was “Iron Felex” F. Gromov, maybe that’s why this whole mess during the rescue of Komsomolets !?
      4. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker April 7 2018 11: 28
        +9
        Quote: domnich
        Time was like that

        Many thanks to the author for a competent and detailed presentation, especially in terms of explaining the work of hydrographs and navigators.
        hi
        For the first time I meet such a detailed study.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 April 7 2018 11: 52
          +5
          Ilyich, welcome hi So the author is a hydrograph from Elton.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker April 7 2018 17: 30
            +2
            Quote: Svarog51
            So the author is a hydrograph from Elton.

            Greetings, Sergey!
            hi
            It’s great to hear about these events first hand.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 April 7 2018 20: 13
              +4
              Ilyich, the site is so valuable for its members. Sometimes in comments you learn such information that you are amazed.
              Z. Ilyich, and you are aware that Alexey Zoldat_A is in the hospital and will be very glad to hear from you. Look mail - I will send coordinates.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker April 7 2018 20: 31
                +2
                Thank you, Sergey!
                hi
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 April 7 2018 20: 37
                  +2
                  Ilyich, always please. He did what he had to do. A connection to this exists to convey on time. At the dawn of his career he was on duty at the UGPS, the task was very simple - to keep a record of negotiations from the ShKhR tape recorder. How many she retained her good name when emergencies occurred.
      5. Monos
        Monos April 7 2018 16: 52
        +10
        42 people were killed! And only three with the ship! 39 people drowned without waiting for help. The commander has a fire on board, the 2 compartment burns, an incomprehensible roll on one side, the situation is getting out of control, and he offers Kolguev to follow his course! I do not understand!
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 April 7 2018 21: 12
          +1
          Victor, welcome hi So I wrote about the same. Stay "Kolguev" near the "Komsomolets" - how many people would be saved.
          Z.Y. Take a look at the mail.
      6. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny April 7 2018 17: 46
        +3
        Sergey, thanks for the memory. A very terrible death, terribly even imagine. There is only one question - among the survivors there was no sailor from the Krasnodar Territory? Just came across one in the service.
        1. domnich
          April 7 2018 19: 13
          +4
          Can not say anything. I was at Elton then. And the guys from Kolguyev didn’t intersect with the living submariners ...
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 April 7 2018 21: 52
            +4
            Serge, because the crew of Kolguev was the last to see them alive. It’s hard to realize that everything would be different if they had stayed near the boat.
      7. vovanpain
        vovanpain April 7 2018 22: 25
        +7
        Thanks for the article Sergey, many new details
        Quote: domnich
        reasonable limit of secrecy.

        Kolguyev could simply be on the side of the emergency nuclear submarine or nearby in the area of ​​the accident, but did not receive such an order

        But he received such an order .... request Eternal memory to divers.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 8 2018 12: 31
          +3
          Quote: vovanpain

          Thanks for the article Sergey

          Volodya, thanks for the Initiation ... Touched, to tears ...
          Eternal memory to the little brothers ... soldier
    2. avt
      avt April 8 2018 12: 16
      +4
      Quote: andrewkor
      Secrecy × mess = tragedy!

      No. Secrecy is not aisle! Technical illiteracy and cowardice of the highest command staff when making a responsible decision.
      Quote: domnich
      Yes, no one could have imagined that such a ship could sink so easily - neither the commander, nor the headquarters of the fleet.

      wassat And what actually and who
      Quote: domnich
      could not have imagined that such a ship could sink so easily

      AFTER the disaster K-8! ?? Well then, BEFORE her death they could still be taught - if the submarine surfaced, then it certainly would not drown. Although ANY engineer at the educational level could have guessed that he wasn’t. ,, Komsomolets "was sent on a combat campaign with an unprepared crew for survivability. Intentionally or not, the prerequisite for a serious accident and disaster was created. Actually, exactly the same when they shoved the boat under the command of Britanov with a leak in the mine, when they answered the report opera from the boat shortly and clearly, "Do not get into your own business! And what about the drowned" Som "with the crew collecting pine? Well, which was then lifted up and again “dropped”? Yes, actually the admirals also killed K-8, when after the boat’s mission they ordered - it’s atomic, let it go and .. regenerated cartridges into it, like firewood around an unfurnished stove ! What was the real advantage of the Janes in the absence of such a number of catastrophes? Yes, Jaime Rickover PERSONALLY picked up competent specialists in the crews! And sent to their aglitsky three letters the higher authorities, for which he was able to get only one star on the shoulder strap. And when they complained about his actions presidency y, then he just hands bred - just Heim decided so, then so be it More recently they have commanders went to those who Heim lieutenants staged Here they finally take their own decisions may sometimes without regard to the admirals...
  2. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil April 7 2018 10: 18
    +8
    Memorial Day for the dead submariners today. Remember.
    1. NN52
      NN52 April 7 2018 10: 30
      +7
      Good article.
      And why really, this episode with Kolguyev was not mentioned anywhere?
      Secret?
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 April 7 2018 10: 49
        +9
        Dmitry, welcome hi Therefore, it is not mentioned, which causes too many uncomfortable questions for the command of the fleet.
        1. NN52
          NN52 April 7 2018 10: 58
          +1
          Greetings to Sergey.

          So there and so, it seems like they didn’t get weak on the cap ...
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 April 7 2018 11: 05
            +6
            Well, secrecy is not for everyone. And it was precisely those who had permission and were obliged to act. Secrecy covered sloppiness, but did not contribute to the salvation of the crew.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 7 2018 11: 30
      +9
      Quote: Doctor Evil
      Memorial Day for the dead submariners today. Remember.

      Join.
      hi
  3. newcomer
    newcomer April 7 2018 10: 37
    +4
    Sergey, well done. article is good. I did not know some facts, for which special thanks.
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 April 7 2018 11: 07
      +4
      Garik, welcome hi So he is the commander of “Elton”, if I understood correctly. Well, or at least one of the ship’s officers.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer April 7 2018 11: 20
        +2
        Sergey, welcome. in this case, I can only express my respect. here’s just a question of secrecy: what did the sailors of Kolguev see, is it clear what the specialists from Elton and Berezkin felt for?
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 April 7 2018 11: 29
          +4
          Well, apparently, there is still a classified secrecy. As I understand it - they monitored the radioactivity of the flooded area, plus carried security functions and worked on the profile - they took a map of the area. These are all my assumptions. Here the author of the article knows for sure, but said only what he can say at the moment.
          1. newcomer
            newcomer April 7 2018 11: 37
            +5
            and there is. my question is _ thinking out loud. Of course, maybe in 25 years they will remove the signature stamp, then we will find out other details. (again, if they were).
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 April 7 2018 11: 50
              +5
              maybe in 25 years they will remove the signature stamp, then we will find out other details.

              Your words, but to God’s ears. After a fifty-fifty season, every lived year is for happiness. But against all odds we will hope for the best.
          2. domnich
            April 7 2018 14: 07
            +7
            Quote: Svarog51
            As I understand it - they monitored the radioactivity of the flooded area, plus carried security functions and worked on the profile - they took a map of the area.


            So it was ... Well, besides, the usual hydrometeorological observations - every 6 hours a report on hydrology, every 3 hours a report on the weather.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 April 7 2018 17: 53
              +3
              Sergey, this song is dedicated to Komsomolets

              Remember standing.
              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa April 8 2018 13: 03
                +6
                Quote: Svarog51
                Sergey, this song is dedicated to Komsomolets

                This song is dedicated to K-19 and specifically the fire in the 9-th compartment 24 February 1972 year.
                Komsomolets had only 7 bays.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 April 8 2018 13: 25
                  +3
                  To blame hi Ready to be punished.
                  1. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa April 8 2018 14: 24
                    +3
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    Ready to be punished.

                    In honor of the holiday - goodbye! yes
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 April 8 2018 19: 09
                      +2
                      In honor of the holiday - goodbye!

                      Accepted, grateful for generosity. drinks
                      Z.Y. Something Rudolph see very rarely? I would very much like to hear his opinion.
                2. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny April 10 2018 20: 51
                  +1
                  Sailors, and especially submariners - for me it is ..... CASTA! Tell me, is it scary when you dive?
  4. Serg65
    Serg65 April 7 2018 12: 30
    +13
    Today we pour the brothers “sewed” so that the bitterness of the throat does not choke! Put candles for the guys who are at the bottom! And raise a toast to the living! Today we live for them! For wives, children, for mothers. For those who are at sea !!! Pour us !!! For those now who are in the water !!! So that in any situation! Both on land and under water! Wherever we dived in life, always and in time surfaced !!!
    Eternal memory to those who have not returned home !!!
  5. domnich
    April 7 2018 14: 21
    +14
    Quote: newbie
    what the sailors of Kolguev saw, it’s clear that specialists from Elton felt for it


    When the "Elton" returned to the base - he docked to the board "Kolguev." Sailors talked mainly with sailors, mechanics with mechanics, and commanders discussed everything in detail. Then, of course, the Kolguev commander was strictly warned, he stopped all conversations on this subject and would never say again - he passed away recently. But the boatswain from Kolguyev is alive and well. He says that everything still stands before his eyes, as if yesterday had happened.
  6. domnich
    April 7 2018 19: 31
    +5
    stalkerwalker,
    Yes, now in the Kola Bay it has become quieter and calmer. Of the "Sunrises" there were only "Toros", "Tuva", "North" and "Nikitin" (instead of "Chalmpushki"). Even Voskhod-Mishukovo stopped working this year.
  7. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 7 2018 19: 35
    +5
    Eternal memory to military sailors hi
  8. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa April 8 2018 23: 12
    +2
    Svarog51,
    Quote: Svarog51
    the submarine commander could forward his signalman to him and report on the situation. Or do I not understand something?

    Sergei, The submariners have one rule, formulated by the legend of the Federation Council, Hero of the Soviet Union cap 2 rank M. Gadzhiev: either everyone wins or everyone dies ... Vanin, by definition, could not send “his signalman” to the other side. And, secondly, it was already the edge: the boat floats into the NP for the BZZH, when there is no other way to fight for survivability for 2 reasons: surface unsinkability (survivability margin) is much higher than underwater, and access to atmospheric oxygen, the ability to take the injured to a superstructure (OVU), to the air ... With the BZZH there is hope as long as you have energy (Electricity, VVD, working EI ...) with the loss of the last VVD - the hope that dies last is over. ..
    Then there is a very important indicator - the stealth of submarines. The loss of secrecy is a prerequisite for the disruption of the implementation of the BZ in peacetime and almost 90% probability of death in war. For this, strongly upon returning from autonomy, they iron against wool ...
    Briefly but succinctly about the event read https://flot.com/news/dayinhistory/?ELEMENT_ID=11
    01
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 April 9 2018 06: 31
      +1
      Alexander, I read it - almost one on one on Wiki. The boat fought for 5 hours, and the Kolguyev departed from it. Then I had to negotiate through aviation. Why didn’t they immediately return him to Komsomolets, but sent Aleksey Khlobystov?
      Then there is a very important indicator - the stealth of submarines. The loss of secrecy is a prerequisite for the disruption of the implementation of the BZ in peacetime and almost 90% probability of death in war. For this, strongly upon returning from autonomy, they iron against wool ...

      This is all clear, but as a result - the loss of the ship and the death of most of the crew. And all this for the sake of secrecy?
      Vanin, by definition, could not send "his signalman" to the other side

      Well, even if so, because Kolguev was on the distance of voice communication. Information leakage is minimal, and the possibility of communication with the CP and the ability to save the crew are much higher.
  9. al.schenaev
    al.schenaev April 9 2018 02: 21
    +6
    I looked through almost all the comments, did not find anyone to whom I could stumble, decided so.
    Before this campaign of Komsomolets, we, a crowd of frenzied lieutenants, still without our steamer (ours stood on the NSR after Krasnoye Sormov, was building up), we asked for this campaign. And in order to stop all our attempts, the crew was sent on vacation, but we managed to carry out a Komsomolets trip. The elders on it went to 1 p. Kolyada (if memory serves, commander O. Shkiryatov of military unit 30868).
    After all, in our carriage (on "Nizhny Novgorod") two people served: navigator and chemical technician. The last one in my service was. But not for long.
    After the death from the fleet, the order came: during the development of the internal combustion engine, to work out the fire and the entry of the VVD into the compartment at the same time. But no one knew how to do this. They decided simply: at all the checks, these introductory games were played separately. And no one said a word. Somehow he stood on duty on the ship, spent working out, NEMS 7 diploma k.1 r. Bursuk, Viktor Iosifovich, now he is already Vice Admiral. I ask: how is it possible, because in case of fire, the compartment is hermetically sealed, and when an internal air force arrives, it is depressurization of all compartments. The answer of a real person (literally, as I remember now): believe, Alex - I don’t know. And so they served, and the head of the PSS, in preparation for the autonomous region in 1994 at the second Barracuda, soldered me a couple for the knowledge of IDA-59M. They quickly sorted it out, it turned out he did NOT KNOW (!!!) that there were three oxygen nozzles on the apparatus’s oxygen cylinder and our equipment allowed us to go out from 250 m (there was an ascent system, parachute system, bayonet lock and air preparation unit. And we talking about salvation.
    In the last lines about salvation. I have not been serving since March 1999, the fleet's MSS may have improved. And what can you offer instead of SGP-K and IDA-59M? What are the means of salvation? Isn't Kursk an example of a mess?
    Eternal memory to the sailors who died in peacetime.
    P.S. My neighbor, Vasya Isaenko, died on the “Kursk”, 3 autonomous vehicles together, 9 years in the same carriage and 9 years on the same site in the house
    1. karabas86
      karabas86 April 9 2018 20: 27
      +1
      Sorry, but do you think or know the cause of the death of Kursk, how true is the official version?
  10. Grigory b
    Grigory b April 16 2018 13: 39
    +1
    Svarog51,
    Shortly before noon, they got close to the submarine. In the distance around the cable train, voice communication was established. The boat was Soviet, and the submariners clearly had some problems. On the upper deck was part of the team, but there seemed to be no signs of an accident. The commander of the Kolguev through a megaphone asked if help was needed. The response from the boat commander was negative, Kolguev was offered to follow its course. Well, okay, you never know what the submariners decided to do in the open sea ...
    And here is the headquarters, the command if the submarine commander himself did not own the situation. Yes, on Khlobystov, the board is much higher than Kolduev, but there are 4 motobots.