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T-90M “Breakthrough-3” will go to the troops this year. Climate controlled

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This year, the Russian military will receive for the first time Tanks with climate control, they will be equipped with the latest modification of the T-90M Breakthrough-3 tank, Uralvagonzavod said.


T-90M “Breakthrough-3” will go to the troops this year. Climate controlled


The newest Russian tank T-90M for the first time in stories Soviet and Russian tank building will receive an air-conditioning installation. It is included in the mandatory complete set of combat vehicles, the delivery of which is scheduled for this year.
- said in a statement the press service.

We are talking about the KTE-VT product - a thermoelectric air conditioner operating not on freon, as usual automobile or household appliances, but built on the Peltier effect. This is a thermoelectric phenomenon, which consists in the fact that during the passage of electric current through the junction of two different semiconductors, one of them heats up and the other cools.

The absence of freon allows the thermoelectric air conditioner to operate at both high and low temperatures. In addition, the T-90M has an additional diesel generator, which provides uninterrupted supply of electricity to the tank in the parking lot.

The cooling units of the air conditioner can be switched on and off autonomously.

Photos used:
http://t-digest.ru/
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  1. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov April 5 2018 17: 11
    +6
    So soon they will be transported to Syria .. They will come in handy there soon!
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 5 2018 17: 14
      +29
      for what? Enough nonsense to write already
      1. Sands Careers General
        Sands Careers General April 5 2018 18: 00
        +7
        In Syria, it’s basically basically the running-in of Russian equipment.
        So that’s enough for you laughing nonsense to write.
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 5 2018 18: 31
          +15
          who does she run around there? Are our tank crews running around there? Or do you want to give new models to the Syrians? they are given what we have in storage. they will not be given a new one because it is stupidity. they run in there ... you don’t understand the meaning of such actions what the hell to write ...
          1. Sands Careers General
            Sands Careers General April 5 2018 19: 02
            +7
            Major, stop daring the senior in rank, have you forgotten about subordination? laughing

            In general, if you do not know, or are not in the know, then be silent. Syria is a huge training ground for Russia, and it’s foolish to deny it.
            Yes, and we also had the latest technology, but there is nothing about it.
      2. Ryazan87
        Ryazan87 April 6 2018 10: 51
        +2
        This is Meehan)
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic April 5 2018 17: 17
      +26
      Vitaly, you’ll get there earlier on the couch, if you’ll hit the road right now! We write your notes out of the way, and on the spot the main thing is to hit the keyboard harder! !! wassat
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 5 2018 17: 53
        +5
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Vitaly, you’ll get there earlier on the couch, if you’ll hit the road right now! We write your notes out of the way, and on the spot the main thing is to hit the keyboard harder! !! wassat

        So quiet, what kind of noise in the cell .. laughing laughing In Syria, they will definitely be rolled in first, I promise you that for sure ..! I am very happy for the tankers, and finally they remembered the poor .. At least they will breathe easier! soldier
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 5 2018 18: 32
          +4
          that will never be from the word. then I promise you too.
        2. Leeds
          Leeds April 5 2018 20: 01
          +11
          MIKHAN is the whole world
    3. figwam
      figwam April 5 2018 17: 20
      +5
      Well, what can I say, they began to take care of a man, and this is commendable, well done.
      1. Hire
        Hire April 5 2018 17: 34
        +5
        Yeah. Now tankers will constantly sniff their noses. smile
    4. 210ox
      210ox April 5 2018 17: 27
      +2
      Vitaliy, such tanks are needed here .. In the North Caucasus, Rostov Region, etc. Yes, and this condo also works for heating. So everywhere it comes in handy. I'm more interested in something else. Is there a KAZ on it?
      Quote: MIKHAN
      So soon they will be transported to Syria .. They will come in handy there soon!
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint April 5 2018 18: 33
        +1
        you can’t hang it on all tanks anyway. there is no printing press.
    5. Yak28
      Yak28 April 5 2018 17: 49
      +2
      A couple of hundred T-62s are more useful in Syria
    6. Maz
      Maz April 5 2018 18: 15
      +8
      It can’t be that they finally installed the air conditioner! not a century has passed
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 5 2018 18: 26
        +1
        Quote: Maz
        It can’t be that they finally installed the air conditioner! not a century has passed

        Do not be malicious ...))) But our tankers never relaxed and the wicked were breathing in gas of steam .. Only forward, then thunder the enemy and breathe fellow
    7. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 5 2018 18: 44
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      So soon they will be transported to Syria .. They will come in handy there soon!

      In Syria, technologies are being tested on versions of older tanks from T-54 to T-72 ... why drive the Breakthrough or Armata there so that the technologies get to the majahideen, and therefore to the mattresses? T-72 does very well with all the tasks in Syria. And there, on the spot, they improve it, so that later, which will show itself well, it can be used in the T-90.
      For example, look at the grid under the tower at the Breakthrough ... but Syria, and the T-72 ..

      This is a simple example ...
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov April 5 2018 18: 49
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        Why drive the Breakthrough or Armata there so that technologies get to the majahideen, and therefore to the mattresses?

        Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel that the main battle Russia will have to accept is in Syria and the BV .. Everything goes to this! And without the latest tanks there, we can’t do it and do not sit out in Russia (maybe it will blow ..) Time will judge us NEXUS. hi If I live.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 5 2018 22: 52
        0
        "And here is Syria, and T-72." Unfortunately from the ATGM with a tandem warhead, this kit does not protect.
      3. kupitman
        kupitman April 5 2018 23: 18
        +1
        the nineties delivered there, like 90A
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 5 2018 17: 12
    +5
    There will be a maximum of 40 new cars in two years, and pomp, as if 1000 tanks will be assembled from scratch!
    1. Dam
      Dam April 5 2018 17: 15
      +10
      And fig you 1000 tanks? With whom to fight with such an armored fist gathered, Tukhachevsky you ours.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic April 5 2018 17: 58
        +3
        Damm - with those who dare to come to us with weapons! And 1000 new T90Ms are more real today than 500 T14 even after five years! Voroshilov you are ours! !! sad
        1. Dam
          Dam April 5 2018 19: 31
          +2
          Nu nu 25 deploy new tank battalions? And the budget will not crack? As if in the army, besides tanks, some other little things are needed
      2. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 5 2018 21: 26
        0
        Tanks are needed not only for breaking through the enemy’s front, but also for eliminating the enemy who has broken through our front, by means of counterattack on the flanks of the breaking group and surrounding it for subsequent destruction, that is, the tank is needed in defense like air and you can’t replace it with anything ...

        And given the size of our country, the length of the border and our neighbors, we have a defense against anyone and tanks for this we need no less than what was during the Second World War, that is, 20 at least ready-made, in storage and in service ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 5 2018 21: 33
          +2
          In 1941, the Red Army had 27,000 tanks. More than in all countries of the world
          put together. Helped a lot?
          1. Town Hall
            Town Hall April 5 2018 21: 35
            +3
            In the 91st, by the way, there were also more tanks than in all countries of the world combined. It also did not help
          2. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 April 6 2018 12: 05
            +4
            It helped a lot. Judging by the inscriptions on the Reichstag.
        2. NKT
          NKT April 5 2018 21: 38
          0
          We have most of the territory unsuitable for the use of tanks
          1. Roma 1977
            Roma 1977 April 7 2018 10: 38
            0
            I will say more: most of the territory of Russia is generally unsuitable not only for tanks, but for life in general. The area of ​​polar deer pastures is larger than the area of ​​sowing.
    2. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock April 5 2018 17: 16
      +1
      Well, yes, you better know
    3. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 5 2018 17: 26
      0
      This option also needs to be run. it’s not so fast either. and where is the pump? regular news.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 5 2018 18: 54
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      There will be a maximum of 40 new cars in two years, and pomp, as if 1000 tanks will be assembled from scratch!

      And why more?
      350 units of T-90 and T-90A in combat units (and about 200 more T-90 units are in storage), as of 2017

      That is, there are about 500 T-90 different modifications. Along with the release of the Breakthrough, these tanks will be brought to the level of T-90M.
      And there is also the T-72B3, which is not much inferior to the 90th. And there is already a conversation about the modification of the T-72B4. And we have 72-ek ..
      Ground forces - 1100 T-72B and T-72BA, 800 T-72B3, and 7000 T-72, T-72A and T-72B in storage, as of 2017
      Coastal troops - 50 T-72B and 200 T-72B3, as of 2017

      The data on the number of T-72s in the troops diverge very much ... I came across figures of the order of 5500 pieces, only 72 ek ...
      And the question is, why are we now 1000 T-90M? To salt them? And on the way is Armata. And in addition to the armored forces, there is also a Strategic Missile Forces, fleet, VKS and so on ... or did we have a printing press, like mattresses?
  3. Magic archer
    Magic archer April 5 2018 17: 23
    +3
    Well, at least some progress in creating comfort. You look in a hundred years and reach the level of western tanks
    1. MoJloT
      MoJloT April 5 2018 17: 34
      +4
      What is wrong with him? Leather interior is perhaps not enough alloy wheels.
      1. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. April 5 2018 17: 48
        +4
        Quote: MoJloT
        What is wrong with him? Leather interior is perhaps not enough alloy wheels.

        Casting is already there! And eco-leather interior!
        Judging by myself! I can refuse a lot of things in the car from the electric / glass mirrors of heating the glass from the heating pad from the ABC and other things, but air conditioning is just the right thing! By car in the heat of stuffiness! and in the tank and other armor as in the oven!
        It’s interesting, but can you install it in other workshops in other tanks?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 5 2018 18: 21
          +10
          Have you ever been in a tank? Faux leather ...
          The only benefit - maybe wean (some) to ride with open hatches ... and that's it request
          1. Tersky
            Tersky April 5 2018 20: 31
            +4
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Have you ever been in a tank?

            The question is not formulated correctly. No. In such cases, it should sound something like this: - "When will you get out of the tank?" yes Novel, hi !
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 5 2018 20: 37
              +5
              Quote: Tersky
              In such cases, it should sound something like this: - "When will you get out of the tank?"

              Well, yes ... for those who are in the tank constantly ... for life, I would even say - then only laughing
              Victor hi
        2. family tree
          family tree April 5 2018 19: 32
          +3
          Quote: K.A.S.
          but air conditioning is just the right thing!

          Threw it, nafig! Put the preheater and the second stove. And what for he to me, if from October to May winter, and then spring and autumn. No, summer also happens, but I'm on that day, like at work all the time sad
          1. Tersky
            Tersky April 5 2018 20: 40
            +4
            Quote: perepilka
            Threw it, nafig!

            belay If I had done the same, (taking into account our temperature reaching in the sun + 58 known Celsius), the next day at noon they pulled out my well-done carcass from the car.
            Quote: perepilka
            And what for he to me, if from October to May winter, and then spring and autumn.

            ? Ie summer you just abolished ... laughing Indeed, what for it is to you if the air conditioners have thrown out .. laughing Hi migratory hi
            1. family tree
              family tree April 5 2018 21: 18
              +2
              Quote: Tersky
              Indeed, what for it is to you, if the air conditioners have thrown out .. Hello migratory,

              hi Well, yes, it’s still hot in summer, warm vodka and sweatshops are sweating drinks
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 5 2018 21: 43
            +3
            Quote: perepilka
            but I'm on that day, like at work all the time

            well, when the workplace is not in the tank, but under the office kondeem. Of course, what more could you ask for? In the tank, even in the middle lane, not in the hot summers - that’s still nonsense, not to mention the south. There is little space, and heats everything that can warm. Air conditioning in BTVT has long been not a luxury, but an urgent need. But Moscow oblast loves to save money, and the units themselves ... these are actually units - judging by the size, the seditious thought creeps in that it can easily cool a nuclear reactor)
            1. family tree
              family tree April 6 2018 18: 52
              +1
              Quote: Gregory_45
              it’s good when the workplace is not in the tank, but under the office condo

              In nomax, on the stage, on the support 10kv
              1. family tree
                family tree April 6 2018 19: 12
                +1
                Quote: perepilka
                In nomax, on

                And I'm not against the kondeya in the tank, and yet not against the anatomical saddle, at least at the driver’s arm, because the lower back really aches, not looking at the padded pea jacket
      2. Magic archer
        Magic archer April 5 2018 18: 40
        +4
        And what does the leather interior and molding have to do with it ?! At least the ergonomics have been improved. The place itself for the crew member has been regularly installed the same microwave and kettle. Look at the approach to this in Israel! I’m silent about the Yuarovtsev who carried the bathtub attached to the tower .It’s easy to improve your stay in the car.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 April 5 2018 18: 58
          +8
          Quote: Magic Archer
          The place itself for the crew member, regularly installed the same microwave and kettle

          coffee maker, bar, whirlpool and free access to the VK. Lepota. Not a tank, but straight ... a caterpillar limousine. The cannon can be thrown out, it is better to have a big monique and exit to WOT. Tankers ... lol
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 5 2018 19: 01
      +3
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Well, at least some progress in creating comfort. You look in a hundred years and reach the level of western tanks

      In terms of quality, unpretentiousness and reliability, this Western tank is about 100 years old to evolve to our vehicles.
      And with regards to comfort ... so in a tank they don’t arrange discos, but they fight ... or do you need a toilet with a bar? So take a look at the same Merkava with the toilet ... do we need such a barn, which in construction and design was sharpened specifically for Israel with that climate and with those threats?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 5 2018 21: 37
        +9
        The Arabs, after several hours of battle in Soviet tanks during the heat, were like boiled fish. They could neither move meaningfully nor shoot accurately.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 5 2018 21: 56
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The Arabs, after several hours of battle in Soviet tanks during the heat, were like boiled fish. They could neither move meaningfully nor shoot accurately.

          And what? And what will the Jews be like when crossing Merkava across the river, without crossing, that is, under its own power along the bottom?
          Or, how soon will the Jews push their tank into the autumn thaw on the road through the forest?
          1. Maksus
            Maksus April 6 2018 00: 11
            +1
            Have you been to Israel? There, with rivers and the thaw, deficit-c) Merkava was created for these conditions, so no one buys it.
            1. Magic archer
              Magic archer April 6 2018 03: 41
              +1
              And I’m watching here the sons of Petrosyan have gathered! They would have shoved a couple of days out of the tank for a couple of days, I would have looked as if it was funny! I remember I was 15, I visited my grandparents in the Chita region. And my cousin worked for tank repair plant. And I crawled enough on the BMP and tanks. The heat was thirty, the armor was hot, in the tank as in the oven. At least the BMPs opened the rear doors, and the tank with open hatches Nifiga did not cool down. Now let's imagine the combat situation. Hatches are closed You can safely get a heat stroke or dehydration! Well how?! Funny, comedians are shitty ?! And in the winter?! In severe frosts?! Who's crazy about the coffee maker ?!
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS April 6 2018 10: 21
              +1
              Quote: Maksus
              Have you been to Israel? There, with rivers and the thaw, deficit-c) Merkava was created for these conditions, so no one buys it.

              And I'm not talking about that? Merkava was created only for Israel, taking into account that climate, tactics of application, and landscape ...
              And our tanks are much more universal and for this reason they are the most warring. They are able to fight in the desert, and in the European theater of war, where everything is rugged by rivers, and in the city ...
              1. Maksus
                Maksus April 6 2018 12: 41
                0
                So why then compare them? You will not seriously compare the SVD and any long-range rifle Lobaev?
                So here - Merkava is an excellent tank, for those conditions in which it was created, but only for them. Our tanks are a universal weapon for any type of terrain, climate, and crew training level (with some modifications).
                The comrade correctly wrote that a lot of tanks went to the Jews whole and refueled due to the fact that the crews stupidly escaped.
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  5. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 April 5 2018 17: 49
    +7
    We are talking about the KTE-VT product - a thermoelectric air conditioner that does not work on freon, like conventional automotive or household appliances, but is built on the Peltier effect

    here we have it all in one place. Condey at Peltier is inferior in performance and power to the usual one, not to mention the fact that it eats electricity, and also requires an efficient radiator to remove heat. Yokarny Babai, why do we invent the wheel every time and strive to make it oval or square all the time?
    1. Antidote
      Antidote April 5 2018 17: 54
      +5
      Freon then works on the holy spirit and simply immensely absorbs heat in itself. This is common knowledge.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 April 5 2018 18: 01
        0
        then all over the world they use Peltier air conditioners, you won’t find the usual freon air in the afternoon with fire.
        1. Antidote
          Antidote April 5 2018 18: 27
          +3
          No one argues that they are less effective, but there are pluses, which, apparently, overpowered. Although they delivered the APU, it’s already well, less than 50 years have passed.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 April 5 2018 18: 37
            +1
            Quote: Antidote
            No one argues that they are less effective.

            you argue. I do not have a habit with myself aloud.
            Quote: Antidote
            but there are pluses, which, apparently, overpowered

            they don’t have any pluses at any decent power (and not to cool the bottle) the efficiency is about nothing, because no one puts them on mobile equipment.
            Quote: Antidote
            APU delivered, already well, less than 50 years have passed.

            it was not about the APU. Her need for questions does not cause anyone. Although here we can not live without kookies. DZA long ago completed, but, on an incomprehensible someone’s notion, gasoline for diesel equipment.
            Before resenting, it would be nice to sort out the issue. And then you can come to the idea of ​​fastening solar panels instead of a regular generator - they are in front of it, too, like some advantages)
            1. Laksamana besar
              Laksamana besar April 6 2018 03: 36
              0
              Well, yes, in the cabs of locomotives (pictured) KTE is put, but can’t it be in the tank?

              KTE thermoelectric conditioner is designed for ventilation, cooling, heating and air purification from dust in the cabs of locomotive drivers and any other vehicles with a cab volume of up to 12m3.
              Principle of operation:
              The cooling unit uses a system of thermoelectric modules TEM, when a constant voltage is applied to it, heat energy is transferred from one side of the unit to the other. The liquid circuit on the hot side of the unit provides efficient heat dissipation. Coolant circulation is provided by an electric pump. A hot-flow liquid heat exchanger with a high finning area gives off heat to the environment, and heat dissipation is improved by high-performance fans. The second (air) circuit provides cooling air inside the cab. Switching the operating mode from “cooling” to “heating” is provided by changing the polarity of the power supply of the thermoelectric unit.
              The overall dimensions, circuit design and design of the air conditioning units can be adapted to various types of cabs.
              The main advantages of CHP:
              - Ecological cleanliness,
              - High reliability
              - Ability to work both in cooling mode and in air heating mode.
              1. Laksamana besar
                Laksamana besar April 6 2018 03: 50
                0
                Old drawing ::
              2. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 April 6 2018 16: 05
                0
                Quote: Laksamana Besar
                Well, yes, in the cabs of locomotives (pictured) KTE is put, but can’t it be in the tank?

                Before you write a lot and argue about nothing, you should be enlightened about the shortcomings of CHP, and you will understand why they are not widespread. What is your car worth? Why?
                The indefatigable desire of some individuals to argue for any reason has always been striking; all right, we would have understood the subject of the dispute. If you do not understand or have lost the thread of discussion, I’ll remind you: I think that for installation on mobile equipment (including tanks), the most advantageous option in terms of parameters today is freon. And certainly not on the Peltier elements. And I do not need to tell how it works and that it also has its own niche - I know this without your help. And they tried to give it to us - we very quickly refused such an option. Prove the opposite - that for a tank this is the best direct option, everything in the world of Lohi. we are good fellows alone - you still can’t, so what is the talk about?
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 5 2018 21: 40
      +1
      Right. Peltier is used only in electronics, when there is no place to stick a conventional air conditioner
  6. Blue fox
    Blue fox April 5 2018 18: 05
    +1
    WTF! I feel "in which case" all the blacks-loaders from the "Abrams" to our side will start to run across!
    Well then - AZ plus climate control! wassat
  7. Xroft
    Xroft April 5 2018 18: 09
    0
    really a breakthrough for our tankers .... but 40 tanks is certainly modest. And we are still waiting for 1000 units of equipment promised on the basis of Almaty ....
  8. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R April 5 2018 18: 11
    0
    built on the Peltier effect. This is a thermoelectric phenomenon, which consists in the fact that when an electric current passes through a junction of two different semiconductors, one of them heats up and the other cools.

    With winter / summer mode due to rotation by 180 degrees laughing
  9. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 5 2018 18: 40
    +1
    Condey two zone though?
    Let them put the coffee machine in general, there will be credit.
    1. Genry
      Genry April 5 2018 19: 38
      +2
      Roast, coffee grinder, barrel with a coffee tree ....
      1. family tree
        family tree April 5 2018 21: 22
        +1
        I’m okay with my grandfather so that I don’t invent different rollers from my jacket what
  10. Oml
    Oml April 5 2018 19: 19
    0
    And the Americans should equip a dry closet, they need it for many reasons.
  11. lance
    lance April 5 2018 19: 23
    +3
    I do not understand you gentlemen, someone was sitting in the T-72 and T-64 in Abkhazia when on the street + 45C °. when you open the hatches below and above hoping at least for some sort of air draft? in a tank in the sun + 55 ° C. and Syria? finally, the time has come when a mechanic who is stupefied from the heat will not drive a tank.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 5 2018 21: 43
      +2
      What happened in the Arab-Israeli wars. The Arabs crawled out of the Soviet tanks half dead, on the verge of heat stroke and went to surrender. If only they were doused with water to cool.
  12. san4es
    san4es April 5 2018 19: 39
    0
    T-90M "Breakthrough-3" will go to the troops this year soldier .
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov April 5 2018 19: 58
      0
      Only in elite units.
      1. san4es
        san4es April 5 2018 20: 13
        0
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Only in elite units.

        ... And the champions of Tank Biathlon - T-14 fellow
  13. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 5 2018 21: 22
    0
    And the winter package will be, heated seats and everything else ?! )))
    1. kupitman
      kupitman April 5 2018 23: 20
      0
      heated levers or whatever they put
  14. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 6 2018 00: 54
    -1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    In 1941, the Red Army had 27,000 tanks

    Readiness of the Red Army for hostilities: a maximum of 60-80% of tanks left the boxes on alert. Still on the road 10-20% of tanks broke. Due to the lack of fuel reserves (strategic reserves, for all Western armored vehicles, were thousands of kilometers away), the last tanks had to be abandoned.
    And what else could ... argue that Stalin was planning to attack Germany in the summer of 41?
    Yes, Hitler had fewer tanks ... but all the battles were ready, with experienced and fired crews.
    There is a difference?
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall April 6 2018 01: 14
      +1
      And who prevented Comrade Stalin from having smaller tanks, but with trained crews, spare parts, rombats, tractors and fuel? .... what genius spread gigantomania from uncontrollable hordes of bad broken tanks, with hastily trained crews ... who is so pointless was spending nowhere ... who is this villain?
      1. teron
        teron April 6 2018 13: 45
        0
        It is believed that Soviet industry served the wishes of the military, as far as possible. The same Stalin and the government of the USSR relied in such matters on the opinion of the military. You just need to go a little deeper into the topic - find out, for example, with whose supply before the war the tank brigades of the Red Army were converted into mechanized corps. Yes, even in such quantities.
  15. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 6 2018 04: 12
    +3
    Quote: Town Hall
    And who prevented Comrade Stalin from having smaller tanks, but with trained crews, spare parts, rombats, tractors and fuel? .... what genius spread gigantomania from uncontrollable hordes of bad broken tanks, with hastily trained crews ... who is so pointless was spending nowhere ... who is this villain?

    actually the "hordes of tanks" are the ideas of Tukhachevsky.
    After many amazing pre-war facts (the catastrophic defeat of France and the British expeditionary forces, the hard victory of the Red Army in a Finnish company, etc.), Stalin was well aware that the USSR was not ready for war.
    The best army in Europe lost to Hitler within a month! And this is “with trained crews, spare parts, rimbats, tractors and fuel” and fully mobilized. There is something to become discouraged ... This is a shock for everyone.
    In addition, the last KShU showed clearly - the Germans will occupy Minsk in 2 weeks. And "repression" or "hatred" has nothing to do with it. With our "effective managers" of 1941, the result would be the same. Tukhachevsky would act in the same way as Pavlov — that is, in no way.
    What would you do in such a situation?
    Yes, what Stalin did:
    1. Maximize the start of the war.
    Try to calm Hitler as much as possible - not to give even a minimal reason. Stalin was well aware that the army could not stand the first strike. But that she would run so far and fast - it was also amazing for him.
    2. Create an anti-Hitler coalition.
    Given that the United States took the position of helping someone who was attacked, it was likely that they could side with Hitler. That would be a disaster! Stalin escaped this.
    England sat and trembled in the last convulsions. The Ambassador of America to England, Kennedy, reported that the British were already on their last legs. She was of little use (as always, however).
    In addition, it was necessary to secure the Far East from the Japanese. According to the idea, the best option was to send the Japanese war machine to the south. What has also been done.
    3. Total war.
    Knowing the psychology of the people (And what for us?), Stalin understood that only if a wave of people rose would it be possible to win the war against Hitler. So far, only the Red Army up to 42 years has fought against the Wehrmacht and the result was corresponding.
    As soon as the war became popular, the most perfect army cannot stand against it. This is still relevant.

    So who "who is this villain?
    Stalin did what it was practically impossible to do ... But he did it!
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall April 6 2018 10: 06
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      Well, you wrote garbage). I asked about the tanks and you told me the sermon of an ardent Stalinist.
  16. Wolka
    Wolka April 6 2018 04: 53
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    very good, now I would like to see the T-90 in the tank biathlon ...
  17. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 6 2018 12: 30
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    Quote: Town Hall
    I asked about tanks

    You did not ask "about tanks" ... You asked:
    And who interfered with Comrade Stalin ...? ... what genius spread gigantomania ... who spent the people's money ... who is this villain?

    I answered you for Comrade. Stalin and that villain!
    By the way, after the Spanish War and the events that followed it, it became clear that the great managers of that time were simple, mediocre and miserable figures .. Modern Serdyukovs, Chubais and Naibulins with Sins!
    And most of them were removed. But not all. And time was lost.
    Note - new and effective tanks began to enter the army only after cleansing the "hero pests." Coincidence? I don’t think so. But the T-34 tank went into series only after Stalin's personal order. This tank did not even want to show him the last of Tukhachevsky and Yakir.
    So much for Stalin and those villains ...
    And for the Rembats, one can say: where in the peasant country from the plow will you find at the same time as many specialists - engineers, repairmen, technicians, and simple mechanics. The new plants lacked competent specialists, and then thousands more tanks had to be serviced! Therefore, they began to create a regular draft army so late. There were no people.
    As Comrade said Stalin: I have no other writers for you.
  18. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 13 2018 14: 39
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    Quote: Town Hall
    And who prevented Comrade Stalin from having smaller tanks, but with trained crews, spare parts, rombats, tractors and fuel? .... what genius spread gigantomania from uncontrollable hordes of bad broken tanks, with hastily trained crews ... who is so pointless was spending nowhere ... who is this villain?

    Look and listen, maybe then understand what happened before the war