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From a floating prison to a floating target

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Ten days? Is it a lot or a little? From the point of view of the common man? It would seem a moment. But this is for a happy person. And for illegally arrested? For a man who can not even understand the essence of his crime? And whether the crime?

26 March 2018 was detained by the Russian fishing vessel "Nord". Many people remember a surge of emotions about this in the press. It is a splash. No more. The topic is not hot. And the crew is not big. A dozen fishermen who were not even arrested. And the ship? Let the ship be the owner’s problem ...

From a floating prison to a floating target


Let's look at the facts that have become known. Indeed, the Ukrainian border guards detained exactly the ship. There are no crew detention reports. But in this case, the crew must be removed from the ship or transferred to another vessel. Otherwise, he becomes a hostage. The vessel will be put under arrest at the port. Ukrainian border guards knew about this. But they took this step deliberately. Provocation?

However, we summarize: Ukrainian border guards took ten Russian citizens hostage.

Moving on.

Any port is an enterprise mode. Nobody will allow to walk on its territory. Moreover, the port is guarded. And in violation of the regime of protection has the right to apply weapon to kill. Russian sailors have already been warned that this is exactly what will happen if they go ashore.

Further. When detained, all documents were seized from the captain. Including passports. In fact, today the crew members cannot officially prove their citizenship. But even when there were passports, for Ukraine it is not documents. Russian passports issued in the Crimea, Kiev does not recognize. And ship documents are always the main source of information for any court.

It would seem that what is simpler: call the Russian consul and issue temporary certificates of citizens of the Russian Federation to seamen. These documents are recognized by Ukraine. However, the consul was not allowed on board on the basis that the ship and crew were Ukrainian. What is that supposed to mean?

We understand this, how does Ukraine seize its own vessel with a crew of its citizens?

However, we have already got used to the frank fool from the Ukrainian side.

SBU, border guards and other services are actively conducting some kind of investigative actions on board. In the early days, the crew was almost round the clock interrogated without the participation of lawyers. Again the question - on what basis, if people are not detained and not arrested?

Protocols were drawn up for all crew members on the fact of violation of the procedure for entry and exit to the "temporarily occupied territory of Crimea". Initiated criminal proceedings on the fact of illegal fishing. Well, the legal mayhem in violation of the procedure for entry and exit. The fact is that criminal prosecution and administrative punishment for the same crime are mutually exclusive facts. One of two things, in short.

The situation that the Ukrainian authorities have created around the detained vessel is a classic for the silly Kiev junta. That is silly. Detention of ships occurs often enough. And in the world there is a proven system of action in such cases. But it is in the world, not in Ukraine.

So, there are no reports of the detention of the crew. There are no court decisions on the presence of seamen on board. But the crew does not have the opportunity to leave the ship either! Beautifully executed.

Voluntary prison? Only here, even prisoners have rights, and in this case there is freedom of choice in Ukrainian.

Moreover, the fate of the detained vessel must be decided by the court. By the way, I want to remember the crew’s lawyers with a kind word. Only thanks to their efforts the sailors did not die of hunger. In fact, every day, two lawyers carry bags and boxes of food, personal hygiene items and other necessary things on their own backstage detainees. And, by the way, from the entrance to the ship 2 km distance.

Small tricks of the Ukrainian border guards are also striking. Starting with the inability to drive the ambulance car to the ship and ending with the refusal of admission to board the fire inspector.

Imagine the situation. The captain and one of the sailors had a hypertensive crisis. Brought evil. The ambulance arrived ... to the entrance. And then the doctors walked on foot. You can not enter the territory. Accordingly, the treatment carried out "peshochkom". Measured the pressure and put the injection. And pills.

Thanks to the ambulance doctors.

Today "Nord" has already begun to stink. It stink. For two reasons. The first, but not the main one: the vital activity products of the crew. The latrine must be cleaned periodically. Simply put, drain the feces. And there is no agreement with the owner on this issue. True, once merged. Allowed. And second?

The second reason is fish. The ship did a good job. On board almost 6 tons of fish. In the sealed hold. And this fish, despite the operating refrigeration unit (namely, the need to maintain this equipment caused the fire inspector to call), begins to deteriorate a little.

But the stench is a private business of Ukrainians.

And now the question: is this a normal situation at all? In our opinion - no.

And the point here is in a simple delineation scheme. Today we have it, and the Ukrainians (and most of the world) have their own. And according to all the international rules and regulations, unfortunately, the Ukrainian frontiers seem to be right.

They detained the neighbor’s vessel in their waters, they don’t recognize Russian Crimean passports, they still seem to be theirs ... The fish, again, is its own, Ukrainian ...

But we do not like the situation. The situation is very delicate. And that's why.

Russia cannot sue Ukraine for international action. Ukraine works in its (for the whole world) border area. And with an absolutely stupid snout will be able to continue to conduct arrests and detentions.

We need to really do something.

The first. There is an opinion (and it is not only ours) that in the zones of fishing in the basin of the Azov Sea, it is necessary to ensure the presence of our boats. It does not matter with the blue cross on a white background or white-green.

It is on the subject of preventing the taking of hostages of Russian citizens under any pretext. Since we are dealing with terrorism and banditry (and the actions of the Ukrainian service are very similar to the Sudanese boys), then we must react.

But to respond politely and correctly. These Ukrainian Navy must be handled with care. They can drown from spitting, which, accordingly, will entail an international scandal.

The second. Those ships that go to the Ukrainian ports under the Kerch Bridge, and you can hold. Again on the subject of a survey on the promotion of terrorism.

If the Ukrainian side puts the matter this way, completely spitting on all the world laws in coastal and maritime matters, it is worth answering a mirror.

And even better - with pre-emption.

After all, they may like it. Already today in Ukraine there is talk that too many Ukrainian citizens are languishing in Russian prisons. And someone (a criminal director) could be exchanged for a captain.

If this is the case, the first step is the hardest! Went to sea among the week, and by the weekend - already 3-4 a dozen candidates for the exchange.

Shanovni pans, will not it be greasy?
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  1. Vard
    Vard April 5 2018 05: 45
    +33
    I do not want to be blamed for something ... But if it were citizens, say, Israel. That would be different ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 5 2018 05: 54
      +5
      "mirror" do we like to answer? Well, take any trough from the 404th hostage (you can "Sahaidachny") and then they themselves will bring our fishermen, carefully brushing off the dust from their suits ...
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee April 5 2018 06: 42
        +12
        In short, they slipped .... They knew that our neighbors were ready for any provocation and did not ensure the safety of our fishermen. And now how to pull out people and the fisherman? Not a landing?
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 5 2018 07: 36
          +8
          Vladimir, good morning. It’s possible to say that we are all strong backward ... But what to do? A citizen of Russia should sound proud! Unfortunately, the Kremlin’s position is to wait for some good moment (and it’s not coming), and these “responsible persons” look like Chekhov’s “Man in the Case” ... Spitting on an international howl would be enough once. To forget about the capture of Russian ships. And then they became insolent and are already threatening that they will continue to capture ..
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          In short, they slipped .... They knew that our neighbors were ready for any provocation and did not ensure the safety of our fishermen. And now how to pull out people and the fisherman? Not a landing?
          1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
            Aristarkh Lyudvigovich April 5 2018 07: 52
            +2
            And this is the vessel on which Ukrainian prikonniks captured the North Kerch seiner in the Sea of ​​Azov with a captain, 8 fishermen and a female cook. The dishes generally have a fun story. Once it belonged to the Turks and bore the proud name "Baba Hassan" (here is the link http://www.fishindustry.net/ukraine/1354-tureckie
            -brakonery-lishilis-shxuny-baba-hasan.html). Then the Ukrainians confiscated the "Baba" for illegal fishing of kilka and re-qualified their poverty into a border patrol ship with a pair of machine guns and the new name "Onyx". In Kerch, fishermen directly say that it is time to take decisive measures against Ukrainian pirates, otherwise Putin has been foiled for Crimeans in the Sea of ​​Azov. .

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    3. domokl
      domokl April 5 2018 07: 33
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      But if it were citizens of say Israel. That would have been different ...

      Oh how ... Give war to the bitter end? Isn’t it the year that guys from 4 are being mined from us because of the puddle?
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 5 2018 07: 55
        +11
        Oh how!? We will continue to sit on the priest exactly? And people? Fishermen, border guards? Yes they will tolerate, there was no need to meddle! The country in the world is respected not for patience, but for the ability to protect its citizens.
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Vard
        But if it were citizens of say Israel. That would have been different ...

        Oh how ... Give war to the bitter end? Isn’t it the year that guys from 4 are being mined from us because of the puddle?
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          April 5 2018 08: 07
          0
          Dmitry, ready to get up and go to the right fight? I can easily arrange in Taganrog.
          1. 210ox
            210ox April 5 2018 09: 20
            +7
            Novel hi Yes, I’m living there and not so far from Taganrog. And I don’t mind .. And my son supports, this year I’ll go to the Maritime Border Institute in Anapa .. It’s a pity I’ve already written off cleanly. But if the Motherland calls, what can be Reasons. Yes, and thanks for the article.
            Quote: Banshee
            Dmitry, ready to get up and go to the right fight? I can easily arrange in Taganrog.
          2. Grim Reaper
            Grim Reaper April 5 2018 09: 46
            +2
            Quote: Banshee
            Dmitry, ready to get up and go to the right fight? I can easily arrange in Taganrog.

            and what is there in Taganrog?
            1. 210ox
              210ox April 5 2018 13: 59
              +4
              Roman Skomorokhov apparently gathers “recruits” there ... Vitaly - “Starper” must be mobilized. The potential is unmeasured, like Vladimir Volfovich.
              Quote: Ecilop
              Quote: Banshee
              Dmitry, ready to get up and go to the right fight? I can easily arrange in Taganrog.

              and what is there in Taganrog?
          3. Mih1974
            Mih1974 April 5 2018 16: 55
            0
            So I would go, namely - To fight soldier but "by order" to watch how these geeks vyzhivatsya and DO NOT DO ANYTHING negative it's you without me.
        2. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 5 2018 10: 05
          0
          and protect them. if they read carefully, the consul immediately tried to meet with them, but they did not let him in. the media and the public are scribbling with might and main. The Black Sea Fleet is preparing to patrol those places. guys vkhuli of course, but they are alive and are closely watching them. most likely they will be given for exchange. Now you don’t need stupid steps. people need to be pulled out and then it’s tough to do something so that they don’t get into the stream.
      2. E_V_N
        E_V_N April 5 2018 10: 49
        +7
        Quote: domokl
        Oh how ... Give war to the bitter end? Isn’t it the year that guys from 4 are being mined from us because of the puddle?

        And why immediately war? Or maybe it's time "in connection with numerous hostile actions" to impose serious economic sanctions on Ukraine and representatives of its inadequate leadership? Yes, such sanctions that Gref, VTB, Gazprom and other business structures would immediately find themselves "without pants" by deciding to invest in a "non-cash" at least a penny. Arrest Poroshenko’s property located in Russia “to cover losses” from inadequate actions. Taxes and transfers of ukrabayters with duties and taxes. And then the "war by war", and 3,5 billion dollars in 2017 were invested in Ukraine, for no reason.
        1. domokl
          domokl April 5 2018 11: 53
          +3
          Quote: E_V_N
          Yes, such sanctions, so that Gref, VTB, Gazprom and other business structures immediately found themselves "without pants", having decided to invest in the "Square" even a penny.

          good Here you can not argue ... Empty belly perfectly cleans the brain from stupid thoughts ...
      3. Rostislav
        Rostislav April 5 2018 11: 00
        +9
        Provoke, achieve. It's like that.
        Only it should be remembered that "if you choose shame between war and shame, you will receive both shame and war."
      4. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 April 5 2018 13: 23
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Vard
        But if it were citizens of say Israel. That would have been different ...

        Oh how ... Give war to the bitter end? Isn’t it the year that guys from 4 are being mined from us because of the puddle?

        I do not understand the subject of your dispute! Why immediately "war"? Full of other methods, we have two Million people working in the country ... It's just that there is room for operational activities ...
        and if at least 10% would have “gone” home, due to the unfriendly behavior of their state ... they would have dared everything there. There is one Nadyukha the gunner - how much heaped!
        But Rybakov - you need to defend, strengthen patrols, create an operational headquarters, and take the Black Sea Fleet on duty in this area, for this you do not need to bring the Cruiser Moscow, there are enough "Kids" there! hi
      5. ARES623
        ARES623 April 6 2018 21: 40
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Give war to the end?

        Why war? According to the formal signs of inconsistency with the technical regulations, Ukrainian vessels should not be allowed to pass through the Kerch Strait, and the case will recover immediately. And you can send a "provocateur" and catch the "pirates" in the border form, and then exchange. The options are darkness. It is only necessary to make a decision and start to do something, otherwise this gangster state will lose its scent altogether.
      6. perm23
        perm23 April 7 2018 13: 22
        0
        He who wants to find a reason will always find it. and do not succumb to provocations. useless. It is necessary to beat then and there will be no provocations.
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 5 2018 15: 24
      +4
      Quote: Vard
      I want to be blamed for something ... But if it were citizens, say Israel. That would be different ...

      Israel mainly specializes in seizing foreign ships and nothing, no sanctions and convictions request
    5. Mih1974
      Mih1974 April 5 2018 16: 53
      0
      Yes zadolbali to clatter with these geeky kami !! am negative The UN will officially declare that "for taking Russian citizens hostage (the opinion of the ukrovermaht - we do not care), Russia will continue to consider ALL vessels flying the Ukrainian flag as Hostile and will drown them without warning !! temporary quarantine control of all vessels wishing to enter the Sea of ​​Azov, to the Kerch Strait and reserves the right to prevent passage without explanation !. bully good
      There is one “slippery moment” - the Kerch Strait and the Sea of ​​Azov DO NOT fall under World Maritime Laws good , at one time, Ukrainians refused our proposal "according to the law" to paint everything. Now we are a “three-letter” helmet of all claims with Azov and Kerch “this is our personal matter between us and Ukrainians” tongue laughing
      1. dSK
        dSK April 6 2018 00: 56
        0
        The court in the Ukrainian city of Kherson released before the main trial captain of the Crimean fishing trawler Vladimir Gorbenko, RBC said the press secretary of the Kerch fishery them. May 1, Anna Sheveleva. (RBC 23:42, 05.04.18/XNUMX/XNUMX)
      2. dSK
        dSK April 6 2018 01: 15
        +1
        Quote: Mih1974
        The Kerch Strait

        International law does not allow the expansion of territorial waters beyond 12 nautical miles (22,2 km). The width of the strait in the area of ​​the bridge is 17 km in the middle of the island of Tuzla. All ships passing the strait cross our territorial waters. Can our border guards stop them for searching and checking for prohibited goods? (First of all, Ukrainian.)
  2. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 April 5 2018 05: 54
    0
    It would not be bad to play a production in reality: dill is suitable to arrest our ship, and here our military and Ukrainians face on the floor with an intelligible explanation on the liver and other places that this is not worth doing with Russian ships.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 5 2018 07: 30
      +1
      stop In both ... Thought is good and easy to do. And if from the other side? Ours to them, and they uncover guns. Well, babahnut. Answer? Spit and boat utop.
      What's next? Howl in the "democratic world" about evidence of Moscow's aggression? Or a declaration of war and the surrender of the whole of Ukraine? Total? Feed the parasites again?
      Everything is more complicated. By the way, yesterday those hostages that Gerashchenko left during the past exchange "surfaced". 23 person.
      This is really blackmail ...
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 April 5 2018 16: 58
      0
      Here "by the liver" is already not enough - here it’s really time to go to rey good am let them “hang off” and “dry out”. good
  3. strannik1985
    strannik1985 April 5 2018 06: 00
    0
    Quote: Vard
    I do not want to be blamed for something ... But if it were citizens, say, Israel. That would be different ...

    For example, an exchange for 1027 fighters?
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 5 2018 06: 56
    +2
    This situation can be seen as an attempt by Ukraine to provoke Russia to use force to free the fishermen. I don’t know what is planned by our security forces, but I think that measures will be taken and more stringent. Let's see how events will develop further.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 5 2018 07: 07
      +7
      rotmistr60 (Gennady) Today, 06: 56 I don’t know what is planned by our security forces, but I think that measures will be taken and more stringent.

      But only when? The captain was abducted from the ship, the Nazis planned him in the cell, but he fell ill - the heart ... And most importantly, people react to such our delays. Their reaction is understandable, and I'm on their side.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 5 2018 07: 15
        +3
        our procrastination is reacted by people. Their reaction is understandable, and I'm on their side
        So I am on their side and also react painfully. Well, let's drop the special forces in the port, cut out the so-called independent, take fishermen and everything will calm down? Ukraine has already done so much that of course there is a desire to end this cesspool at once. But it is not for us to decide.
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 April 5 2018 17: 00
          +2
          But you know - it’s up to me and the millions of Russians to shit whether Ukraine will calm down, after which our special forces will cut out (literally) border guards, Gestapo soldiers, a pornographic sector and all the way to Mariupol. am FUCK !!! Something Ukrainians - "you are an aggressor country", so you have to answer for the bazaar. good
          How much scum of sucooshvillia did everyone blather at Russia, how many single shots at our peacekeepers? Until they BREAK in Tbilisi itself, admonition did not come. bully
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 5 2018 07: 03
    +6
    Why is our state acting so criminally slow ?! Why are international terrorism (maritime piracy) such slow attempts? request request request
    1. domokl
      domokl April 5 2018 07: 36
      +6
      De jure, Ukrainians are right. They act on "their water." Crimea is not recognized as Russian in the vast majority of states. Therefore, it is useless to sue. Need to act independently ...
      1. AID.S
        AID.S April 5 2018 07: 49
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        You need to act on your own ..

        Looking polite boats.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          April 5 2018 08: 10
          +3
          Quote: AID.S
          Looking polite boats.


          Minimum 5-7 units on the Sea of ​​Azov
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 April 5 2018 08: 59
            +3
            Banshee (Novel) Today, 08: 10 ↑
            Quote: AID.S
            Looking polite boats.
            Minimum 5-7 units on the Sea of ​​Azov

            Right! Pieces 10-12, and on the hands!
            1. domokl
              domokl April 5 2018 09: 38
              +1
              laughing Fantômas raged ... Where did the woods come from? 5-7, 10-12 ... it is easier to put an additional artillery near the bridge))) Let the bullet through the boats. Scare off ... laughing
              And officers send there instead of a rehabilitation center ... Like a resort lol
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 April 5 2018 09: 44
                +2
                domokl (Alexander) Today, 09: 38 ↑ New
                laughing Fantomas raged ... Where did the firewood come from? 5-7, 10-12 ... it's easier to put artillery support near the bridge))) Let them shoot on boats. Frightened off ... laughing

                And the "delivered artillery support" will protect all of Azov? I suspect that I can’t cope. But with a dozen at least “Raptor” or five “Buyanov”, it would be better.
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 April 5 2018 17: 04
          +2
          We need "going to the bottom" boats under the flag of downs !! good Only this will set the brains of these geeks.
          Hk you want to hang them on shafts, that's a good question, let's take them out to Crimea (we don’t even take them from Ukraine’s territory) and leave them in a clean field with thorns and let them survive and survive without food, water, medicine, etc. .
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 5 2018 08: 56
        +7
        domokl (Alexander) Today, 07: 36 ↑
        De jure, Ukrainians are right. They act on "their water." Crimea is not recognized as Russian in the vast majority of states. Therefore, it is useless to sue. Need to act independently ...

        Yes. And plus Russian passports issued in Crimea. The Nazis do not recognize them. Blinked on the water immediately, and now ukrokakly will be cast out over people. It’s time to think about polite naval special forces.
        1. domokl
          domokl April 5 2018 11: 56
          0
          People need to think. Let's pull it out, and then we'll see who has a firmer coca ...
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 April 5 2018 17: 08
            0
            "Caliber" donated and self-delivered to the residence where Potroshenko sleeps at once will enlighten them all. bully good
  6. Alex66
    Alex66 April 5 2018 07: 03
    +2
    Well, who can tell because of the fishermen will spoil relations with a neighboring power, they are not deputies, not officials. Few real steps taken by us, aren’t our citizens really dear to us, and are we ready to abandon them to the arbitrariness of the Ukrainian Themis?
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 5 2018 07: 09
    +1
    You can write a Saga about how many "nasties" from Ukraine have remained unanswered. That's why they seize the Nord and so on ... And they will detain, kill, confiscate, blame on.
  8. Altona
    Altona April 5 2018 07: 19
    +4
    We are forced to practice hostage-taking, as it was, for example, in the Chechen war. And the US extradition of our citizens from third countries and the capture of our citizens by the Ukrainian junta is the same song. One must also take hostages and capture Western military instructors in Syria. 200 blocked instructors in Syria immediately ruined the Skripal affair. With Sumerians it is necessary in the same way, with militants who call themselves border guards. Shoot nafig their fragile ship.
    1. domokl
      domokl April 5 2018 07: 40
      +2
      lol Eugene, the laws of Hammurabi? It is necessary to push on another. Businessmen our tweak. Not to read about the increase in trade with Ukraine. and fishermen need to be guarded. Crush river boats side. Without women and scandals. Well, we have fucking sailors. They do not know how to steer boats entrusted to them. But we are learning lol
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 April 5 2018 17: 11
        +2
        For example, arrange - "perpetual repair" of all railways. roads to Ukraine, they don’t understand right away - "perpetual asphalt repair." Let them as they want, and deliver what they need from Russia and to us. Give on the head to the Slavs - either they stop "feeling ears" with the resale of our gas or - we arrange "force majeure" for not figs.
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  10. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. April 5 2018 08: 01
    +2
    What to do At 48 o'clock of all the Gaster in to Ukraine !! Introduce a visa regime!
    And not to go Ukrainian tervody !!
    But when the Ukrainians enter our own or go to the towers (and this sooner or later merges) then do the same
  11. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 5 2018 08: 55
    0
    Quote: domokl
    De jure, Ukrainians are right. They act on "their water." Crimea is not recognized as Russian in the vast majority of states. Therefore, it is useless to sue. Need to act independently ...

    ... and come up with something "interesting." Some kind of "asymmetric" answer. I hope they are working on this issue. But hurry here, really, no need!
    1. domokl
      domokl April 5 2018 12: 01
      0
      Exactly. We will pull sailors and the notion will emerge ... Now the main thing is people. And the safety of other fishermen. The captors, like the corsairs, must be driven. And it will be done.
  12. Chichikov
    Chichikov April 5 2018 09: 13
    +4
    A story from a series of "warrant officers who climbed across the border for education documents!" They knew the possible consequences, but climbed to "fish" in 15 miles from the Upholstery Spit - what, couldn’t find a closer place? Maybe not "blind" participants in this provocation?And Ukraine needs a "push", - the Americans, still can not forward the patrol boats promised to them to protect the marine area!
  13. midshipman
    midshipman April 5 2018 09: 21
    +7
    Alexander and Roman, in Ukraine 19 enterprises of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry were completely looted, which belonged to including 6 GU (I was the leader). The seiner must be released by force, the ports of Ukrainians should be blocked. These people understand only power. They behaved like pirates, remember how warships escorted civilian vessels in the waters of the country of Somalia. The attacks ceased. And here they demand recognition that sailors are residents of Hohland. Let them forget about the Crimea. Soon Kharkov and Odessa will follow the example of Donbass.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper April 5 2018 10: 09
      +1
      Release the crew. Seiner destroy. Fire, oh. We can do it. Again, the mundial, the word is so vile that bad things come to mind.
    2. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint April 5 2018 10: 23
      +1
      by force, it’s possible only now it will come out sideways. much more effective at the moment is stupid for a couple of days to close the border for citizens of Ukraine. or arrest 10 people of their citizens. there are always reasons
    3. domokl
      domokl April 5 2018 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: midshipman
      Seiner should be released by force, the ports of the Ukrainians block. These people only understand power.

      But for these "people" to kill a person is not a problem. Blockade does not solve anything here. But we can drive the border guards into the 15 mile zone ...
      1. Mih1974
        Mih1974 April 5 2018 17: 14
        0
        I support - remember how rude and captured rodent ships? How it all ended - first drowned, then the others at the pier blew up. So it "helped" that now they are inaudible and not visible. good
    4. Curious
      Curious April 5 2018 13: 32
      +1
      Midshipman, of course, you are a respected person, but apparently age takes its toll. You better give statistics on the enterprises of the Ministry of Radio Industry in Russia, as they have stepped forward since 1991, including under your leadership.
      1. midshipman
        midshipman April 5 2018 18: 40
        +4
        Victor, in order to ruin our country, in 1989 the Government was liquidated by the Ministry of Radio Industry, as well as other defense ministries.
        Since 1989, I was elected rector of the Academy of Defense Industries. And he did not work in the defense industry. Many defense industry enterprises were liquidated. There were about 100 enterprises in Moscow, the number of employees decreased by an order of magnitude. You can see statistics for other regions.
        1. Curious
          Curious April 5 2018 22: 12
          +3
          Yuri Grigoryevich! I appreciate your reply. Sorry for some sharpness.
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  15. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper April 5 2018 09: 33
    +1
    Personally, my opinion.
    The liberation operation, by forces of specialists, crew and captain.
    To score on a ship.
    To the hysteria of the Ukrainian authorities to score.
    They fled themselves. There is no evidence.
    ??
  16. Nonna
    Nonna April 5 2018 09: 40
    +2
    My comment was deleted and a warning was issued - they considered that I insult the non-current power with the word - offshore? M-dya .... Elections have passed - the government has understood that the opinion of the people needs to be crushed in the bud
  17. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper April 5 2018 09: 44
    +4
    I am somewhat unclear. How could this even happen? In the area, which since 2014, should be considered a zone of special attention. In the area where, at the slightest suspicion, helicopters, planes, and navy should rise.
    Again, our "maybe carry"?
    Carry, yeah, in a slightly different sense ....
    Alas.
  18. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN April 5 2018 09: 52
    +2
    What does our government do? Is the banquet going on? Why are we constantly baffled? Okay, the spy-traitor’s case, but here is why they allowed the seiner to be arrested? What did not know with whom they are dealing? What can Ukrainians do? Why hadn't the coast guard boat been patrolled before? And now they write that it’s impossible, it’s impossible. And time is running out. Tomorrow they will capture people on the outskirts, under an absurd pretext.
    We lag behind the decision. There are no ready-made templates on how to deal with such threats. It's time to wake up.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 5 2018 18: 44
      +1
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      why did they allow the seiner to be arrested? What did not know with whom they are dealing? What can Ukrainians do?

      after an attempt to capture the derricks at the Odessa field, this option could be foreseen, but the seiner is not a drill. Takm grandmother, and here -fishermen.
  19. shuravi
    shuravi April 5 2018 10: 19
    0
    Quote: Chichikov
    A story from a series of "warrant officers who climbed across the border for education documents!" They knew the possible consequences, but climbed to "fish" in 15 miles from the Upholstery Spit - what, couldn’t find a closer place? Maybe not "blind" participants in this provocation?And Ukraine needs a "push", - the Americans, still can not forward the patrol boats promised to them to protect the marine area!



    So they caught a sprat. laughing

    True, this is an ambush, the main habitats thereof are not at all there:



    Somehow, bad thoughts beg for it. what
  20. Imobile
    Imobile April 5 2018 10: 40
    +4
    Children need to pay money for fish and moral damage, because the state failed to protect its citizens. It is important that others are not afraid, therefore, to establish a direct connection to all courts with border guards and the military and constant patrolling. It is unfortunate that the Foreign Ministry does not care about its citizens
    1. Vlad Petrov
      Vlad Petrov April 5 2018 12: 23
      +2
      The Azov-Black Sea Territorial Administration of the Federal Agency for Fishery created an operational group that coordinates the actions of the agency with the border administrations. Fishermen were given recommendations on the procedure for entering the fishery, and they were obliged to notify the border administration in advance of the vessel’s departure and of the change of location. In case of emergency, fishermen are advised to contact at a specific frequency. The Kerch fishing farm named after May 1 intends to appeal to the International Committee of the Red Cross with a request to help release the crew.
      That is all for now. Citizens of the Russian Federation should be cleaned by everyone, otherwise you will be tomorrow.
  21. iouris
    iouris April 5 2018 10: 56
    +2
    It is good that the answer to the question: “Who is to blame?” Is at least clear. Next, it was necessary to answer the question: "What to do?" Answers tapa "We need to do something" or "Or maybe it will resolve itself?" - wrong. The question remains: why does one who is obliged to protect the rights of citizens captured by a foreign power receive a salary?
  22. groks
    groks April 5 2018 11: 12
    +4
    Yes, as much as possible. The ship is assigned to the Crimean port. Crimea, by all international standards, is the territory of Ukraine. Sailors, according to the same laws, are citizens of Ukraine. The border along the Azov of the Russian Federation is not demarcated, Ukraine here podsuetsya after the Crimean events. Yes, there really is no border with Crimea, because it is not recognized!
    So all claims to the officials of the Russian Federation. In the current situation, the non-brothers can also declare the seizure of the ship (which they did not do before?).
    Expect any decisive action from our officials? After the drape from the Odessa gas field?
    1. a housewife
      a housewife April 5 2018 11: 32
      +1
      So if the ship and crew are Ukrainian (according to their ideas), then why were they seized? For Russian passports? Imagine - in Novorossiysk a dozen people live fishermen - citizens of Ukraine. And only in the sea - our them-a chain! Nonsense! And anyway - do their steamboats go under our bridge? They go. Are they being screened? On the subject of terrorism and sabotage? I just do not know. So - to inspect and more thoroughly. And when there is something, but there is necessary, then we are in the hands of cards. And do it all the time, to keep them constantly. Let the channel dig, they know how.
      1. groks
        groks April 5 2018 12: 26
        +1
        So if the ship and crew are Ukrainian (according to their ideas), then why were they seized?
        Why not? They won’t come up with an accusation? Easily. The border was illegally crossed. In the Russian Federation, no one simply knows where that border goes. She was generally not recognized in the Russian Federation, since Ukraine did everything unilaterally. But this does not make it any easier.
        But the place where the mentioned bridge passes - is it exactly ours? Exactly? Or will it turn out that only half the strait?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 5 2018 12: 38
          +4
          Quote: groks
          But the place where the mentioned bridge passes - is it exactly ours?

          The bridge stands still, and guarding it ... is somewhat simpler than wild pelvis.
          Therefore, yes, ours. Exactly yes
          1. groks
            groks April 5 2018 13: 23
            +2
            What does the "guard"? If Crimea is not recognized by anyone as Russian, then the waters around it are Ukrainian. And at least half of the bridge was built illegally on Ukrainian water, not to mention the land. There will be another lawsuit, it will decrease by a few lard greens.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 5 2018 15: 02
              +4
              Quote: groks
              There will be another lawsuit, it will decrease by a few lard greens

              laughing good laughing
              PS: That you in life killjoy pessimist, I have long understood yes
              1. groks
                groks April 5 2018 15: 31
                +3
                I earned a couple of bans at the AS when I said that the IOC fine (or WADA or the same thing) would be paid. So paid. A couple more when he said that Gazprom would pay. So already made. Am I a pessimist or a realist?
                Maybe you should stop jumping and take off your pink glasses? “Glasses have long been broken” (c).
            2. New Year day
              New Year day April 5 2018 18: 47
              +1
              Quote: groks
              then the waters around him are Ukrainian.

              Ukraine just thinks so
              1. groks
                groks April 6 2018 07: 40
                0
                The problem is that not only Ukraine believes so. So the whole world thinks so.
        2. a housewife
          a housewife April 6 2018 01: 22
          0
          For example, according to their concepts, our only half of the strait. We agree for a minute. Then for passing the half-span - we can attract. Do you have any contracts? Maybe half the bridge is also theirs? Should we pay them? Come and get!
          1. groks
            groks April 6 2018 07: 42
            0
            Since our elite can only criticize Stalin, Vyshinsky is also, as it turned out, and in all other cases achedged to the full, they will come and pay.
  23. zoolu350
    zoolu350 April 5 2018 11: 51
    +3
    I’m not even surprised that ukrereich’s banderlogs have at least twists working on inventing and implementing dirty tricks, and the Russian oligarchy has usual lamentations and concerns. In short, "Santa Barbara" series 10500.
  24. Z_G_R
    Z_G_R April 5 2018 12: 47
    0
    nothing surprising .. whether there will be more.
  25. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN April 5 2018 13: 09
    +5
    It seems to me that diplomacy is now an empty phrase. Yes, we do not want war, we understand that most likely it will be the last, and the winner will have a Pyrrhic victory. We know this well - destroyed cities, civilian casualties, terrible CCs in Germany, (huge) losses among the male population.
    Our Foreign Ministry speaks correctly, but it looks as if the deaf are listening to it. Those. no way. An example is the traitor Skripal. I wonder why he was pardoned. No man - no problem. Or Khodorkovsky? Well, you understand. Brotherhood with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, when they fled from boilers to the territory of the Russian Federation and they were sheltered, fed and treated. Why did this? Well, the people did not understand, but the tops knew that Bandera was in power there and what they were. It is difficult to separate power and population at such moments. No SMERSHE is enough to separate white from black. Germany 30s. Powerful working class. And the mantra in the USSR - the proletariat will not fight against the USSR. The result - they fought with great pleasure. Russia in the 90s and later - a war between Russian and Ukrainian is impossible. And from the lips of influential politicians. So what? Russian and Ukrainian are one people! It turned out that most of this people do not agree with this statement. And here it is not in the Crimea. Even before him - Moskalyak on ......
    Unfortunately, we think in a standard way. And what happened yesterday is not a fact of what is today. And in the minds of people, this understanding comes faster than in the brains of a state machine.
    We need to look for new forms of interaction, international relations. Press on the most painful places of our partners. For example, the Poles. Katyn. But there is not all clear. In the USSR, the bureaucracy under Stalin was exemplary. On all a piece of paper. This is not Twitter. He took and erased. But the papers about the execution of the Poles were not found. You can open this business again. And we admitted.
    Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. If the USA shook a test tube with powder, at the congress of people's deputies shook COPIES !!! agreement, but at the same time they assured the population that the originals are there and they’ll find them now. Well, how Gaidar was looking for the "gold" of the party. What do you think the US Senate would have recognized such a document valid if we don’t get 10 rubles in Sberbank with such a copy. So maybe enough to be fools.
    And about the seiner and crew. At the moment, this is a more serious matter than creaking. Crimea joined Russia when he saw that the power of Kiev poses a threat to the population, and the Russian Federation will be the guarantor of their lives. And God forbid that at least one crew member would die or disappear. In Crimea, there are those who doubt the expediency of this act. Ukrainians will unleash this tragedy to heaven. Our government must take all measures and prevent this. This is more expensive than all material costs.
    And the Russian fleet is not an assistant in the defense of each seiner. Believe me. Fleets of many countries were in the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean, and ships were captured by pirates .....
  26. Curious
    Curious April 5 2018 13: 29
    +3
    What is most interesting in this situation: on the one hand, there is an active seething of the "public", or. as it is fashionable now - “activists”, with calls to “trample” and “swallow” up to ...
    On the other hand - the almost complete silence of the official structures, which should have been “trampled upon,” and so on. Well, they wrote a note, compared with Somalia ... Obviously, there are some nuances that are unknown to the "activists", but are well known to people "at the posts". Xperts broadcast about the 2018 World Cup and the Third World. Like everything in reality - the broad masses can only guess. And ordinary people are once again hostage to the ambitions of politicians and oligarchs.
    1. Oleko
      Oleko April 5 2018 14: 09
      +1
      Quote: Curious
      What is most interesting in this situation: on the one hand, there is an active seething of the "public", or. as it is now fashionable - for “activists”, with calls to “trample” and “swallow” up to ... On the other hand, there is the almost complete silence of official structures, which were supposed to “trample” and so on. Well, they wrote a note, compared with Somalia ... Obviously, there are some nuances that are unknown to the "activists", but are well known to people "at the posts". Xperts broadcast about the 2018 World Cup and the Third World. Like everything in reality - the broad masses can only guess. And ordinary people are once again hostage to the ambitions of politicians and oligarchs

      Just watched the program "Time will tell." The Crimean government turned to the Black Sea Fleet command. A task force has been created that will now respond to signals from fishermen. Fishing vessels will now be accompanied by aircraft and missile boats. Regarding "politicians and aligarchs." The director of the fishing farm, which owns the vessel, said that they had never encountered such a situation, but it was not her fault that it had arisen (this is my opinion). There are FSB, law enforcement agencies that are required to provide for such provocations ..
      1. Curious
        Curious April 5 2018 14: 24
        +3
        "Fishing vessels will now be escorted by aircraft and missile boats."
        And how much will the fish cost?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 5 2018 18: 52
          +2
          Quote: Curious
          And how much will the fish cost?

          and enough boats?
      2. groks
        groks April 5 2018 15: 35
        +1
        Yes, hurt yourself! If the Russian Federation could not be pulled into the war in the Donbass, now it will turn out perfectly to be done at sea.
  27. seacap
    seacap April 5 2018 13: 52
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    "mirror" do we like to answer? Well, take any trough from the 404th hostage (you can "Sahaidachny") and then they themselves will bring our fishermen, carefully brushing off the dust from their suits ...

    Yes, they do not care, like ours on their ships and vessels, tb. sailors
  28. seacap
    seacap April 5 2018 14: 00
    0
    Quote: Vard
    I do not want to be blamed for something ... But if it were citizens, say, Israel. That would be different ...

    In any normal country that respects itself and its citizens, this crew and ship would already be at home, and the organizers and perpetrators of this crime would be destroyed or, who were lucky, would sit on the bunks in a military tribunal. Well, we had no luck with mums you can’t do anything if no one can or doesn’t want to make a decision, so that then the opposite side doesn’t even think about it. Therefore, we also pay for our own gas for its transportation.
  29. seacap
    seacap April 5 2018 14: 20
    +1
    This is a disgrace, there’s nothing more to say, let your own patriotism and words about the state’s concern for its citizens be thrust into one place. Okay, it’s still scary for their capitals and offspring when Americans around the world abduct our people, you can somehow understand the real estate, beloved children, and a small cup for severance pay and a comfortable old age, “honestly” earned, but when these thugs are on their own, practically, territory, okay temporarily occupied, they do medieval atrocities, spit in the face insolently, and people who must stop this in the bud, poking around in the teeth after a hearty dinner and stroking the tummy with impartial and lazy look at this nonsense and bullying, although the issue can be resolved within a few hours. And inaction, impunity, inarticulate mumble about some mythical laws encourage these thugs to even more radical provocations, what else do they need to do so that our authorities finally, at least scratch the back of their head, how many times still have to bark into a glossy mug and whip on the cheeks to begin to move pissed buttocks. The disgrace and helplessness of the state, shown by the Ruguli in all its glory.
    1. groks
      groks April 5 2018 15: 38
      +1
      although the issue can be resolved within a few hours

      To do this, you must first legalize the Crimea. Otherwise, they will be blamed for all sins.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 5 2018 18: 52
        0
        Quote: groks
        To do this, you must first legalize the Crimea

        this is to Gref. He will legalize.
  30. naidas
    naidas April 5 2018 14: 51
    0
    respond by ousting Ukraine from the sea zone — the arrest of all Ukrainians in neutral and their waters.
    1. groks
      groks April 5 2018 15: 40
      0
      From which zone? Our officials were too lazy to mark the border. Or it’s impossible to do ... well, how Crimea cannot finally be recognized as your own.
      1. seacap
        seacap April 5 2018 17: 31
        +1
        What borders? What zone? What borders can there be on the temporarily occupied (leniently leased) territories of the Russian Empire, gathered by our ancestors for 100 years, heavily watered by the blood of Russian soldiers to defend them in order to transfer them to our corrupt and poor generation who failed to preserve and multiply them. From a powerful empire, thanks to our greedy and impoverished spirit, a corrupt elite, turning into a country without honor and identity, which can be spat upon and humiliated by every cattle and boor.
        1. groks
          groks April 5 2018 19: 13
          +3
          Paphos is less. Everyone sympathizes with the sailors. But here to our bureaucrats, I do not sympathize. Well, not a bit. The Crimea gave me one drunk, he took the second one, and now it can’t bring it to the end.
  31. Tektor
    Tektor April 5 2018 15: 13
    0
    You can arrange the supply of food and self-defense with the help of DRONs in the dark. But first, they need to transfer the means of communication.
  32. Radikal
    Radikal April 5 2018 15: 33
    +2
    Quote: Banshee
    Quote: AID.S
    Looking polite boats.


    Minimum 5-7 units on the Sea of ​​Azov

    Who would argue. The question is different, why the fishing process in the Sea of ​​Azov, near the territory of a hostile state (which we will not flirt with) will be left to chance by those who should have thought about this two years ago! This must be said. hi
  33. Dmitriy Zadorozhniy
    Dmitriy Zadorozhniy April 5 2018 17: 04
    +3
    Now the ban will fly in, but let it. Many zarobitchans from the east ruins are highly classy specialists, and work at Russian enterprises under an employment contract. If all zarobitchan in 24 hours overboard, then who will pay the contract forfeit?
    1. groks
      groks April 5 2018 19: 21
      0
      Who took the job. Well, not power. The Koreans were wiped out, bending under the partners, Ukrainians can easily.
      Although, depending on how they took it. We now have a milling machine operator from Lugansk. On a universal basis.
  34. New Year day
    New Year day April 5 2018 18: 50
    +2
    Quote: Curious
    On the other hand, the almost complete silence of official structures

    but there’s nothing to say, therefore they are silent. And they can’t do anything. The military from the Crimea received 13 years in prison and are in Kherson. Could you do something? And the captain will be given 5 years. But how Crimeans will look into the eyes?
    In principle, any Crimean citizen in Ukraine can be captured and imprisoned.
  35. panzerfaust
    panzerfaust April 5 2018 19: 53
    0
    Landing on Berdyansk !!! Fuck with him, with the World Cup in fucking football !!!!
  36. Sergey Koryagin
    Sergey Koryagin April 6 2018 20: 50
    0
    Everyone is rightly indignant! And if everything is not so, and the crew is silent about something? Then a completely different scenario is obtained. Could they be lured under the guise of buying fish? And then - well, you got !!! And if everything is real as the crew says, ours is just to block all ports on Azov and explain, we’ll leave after the crew and the seiner leave. There’s no shooting at all.
  37. Baloo
    Baloo April 6 2018 21: 10
    +1
    Quote: dsk
    A court in the Ukrainian city of Kherson freed the captain of the Crimean fishing trawler Vladimir Gorbenko before the main trial, a spokeswoman for the Kerch fishing farm named after RBC told RBC. May 1, Anna Sheveleva. (RBC 23:42, 05.04.18/XNUMX/XNUMX)

    It is not.
  38. Oleko
    Oleko April 7 2018 04: 14
    0
    [/ quote] Ukrainian fishermen are afraid to go to the Sea of ​​Azov, fearing retaliatory action from Russia after Ukrainian border guards arrested the Russian fishing trawler Nord. This was told by the head of the Crimean Bureau of NTV Oleg Kryuchkov. [Quote]

    Comes to them "NORD"
  39. Amateur
    Amateur April 7 2018 09: 11
    +1
    Remember how it was with the Somali pirates who captured the Russian ship and fell under the distribution of the marines. True, it later turned out that there was no law against piracy and the pirates were released. On a boat in the middle of the ocean. And they showed on the box that they had let go. Since then, no one has heard of those pirates or the capture of Russian ships. So there is some experience.
  40. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 7 2018 16: 16
    0
    Quote: Imobile
    Children need to pay money for fish and moral damage, because the state failed to protect its citizens. It is important that others are not afraid, therefore, to establish a direct connection to all courts with border guards and the military and constant patrolling. It is unfortunate that the Foreign Ministry does not care about its citizens


    Yes, to hell with them, not compensation. It’s their own fault that they climbed where they didn’t need and didn’t agree with anyone. Like dozens every year, the Ministry of Emergencies saves who went into the taiga and got lost, went down the river unsuccessfully or got into the mountain and got lost. They were sent there by order? You can't protect a missile cruiser for every fishing boat. The sailors themselves are guilty, first of all the captain, well, the leadership of their company, of course. And apparently how by chance they found themselves off the coast of Ukraine, how smoothly they were captured and how the incident was inflated then they were sold to dill either by their leadership, or they sold themselves. And our guys in uniform are aware of this, since the government has so demonstratively ignored this topic, except for duty statements, and now investigative measures are being taken to find and detain those responsible for this incident.
    Unfortunately, ordinary inhabitants do not understand this, everyone would like to force the release of the "unfortunate" sailors, but they were only "captured" just in the hope that Russia would peck at the provocation and take rash steps. But only the real culprit of the incident was either on the ship at the time of capture, or sitting in the company’s management. The sent Cossack. And first of all it will be clarified. That such cases did not happen again.
  41. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor April 8 2018 18: 10
    +1
    Passports were seized from the fishermen after the Russian ship was moved to the Ukrainian port of Berdyansk. Now the crew members who are residents of the Crimea are trying to declare citizens of Ukraine. For some reason, no one asked if the fishermen had Ukrainian passports? Most citizens of Crimea have not officially refused citizenship of Ukraine (with the exception of officials, for them it is practically necessary) and in the Khokhlyat traditions, they are essentially citizens of the two countries. Just in case, which are known to be different. So who was detained by the Sumerian border guards, residents of the Crimea, who did not renounce Ukrainian citizenship or some other Russian fishermen?
    1. kan123
      kan123 April 9 2018 21: 03
      0
      Here they just made a little mistake, abducting citizens of the Russian Federation is like abducting, but only worse, given the place and time.
  42. SASHA OLD
    SASHA OLD April 9 2018 20: 29
    0
    damn it, maybe I'm very harsh, I understand that our leadership is not fools, but it would not be time to somehow “sober up” a bit of awesome Sumerians with something ..?
  43. kan123
    kan123 April 9 2018 20: 59
    0
    the Nazis do not know the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov - there’s nothing special there, you don’t have to do so that not a single crest goes out to sea. Never again.
  44. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 9 2018 21: 04
    0
    Yes, due to dirty tricks, the dillies are the most sophisticated in the world, and because of human stupidity, they are not far from the African limpopo tribe. It’s time to cleanse the faces, because they live “not according to concepts”.