Ukraine threatens to continue to detain Russian ships

It became known that the captain of the Russian fishing vessel "Nord" Vladimir Gorbenko was taken from Berdyansk to Kherson. The Russian lawyer reports that his client before the start of the court hearing on the election of a further preventive measure will be in the department of the Security Service of Ukraine on the "Autonomous Republic of Crimea". Recall that in Kiev, the Russian region is still so called, funding numerous ministries and departments, as if “responsible” for the peninsula.

The first court hearing on the “case” of the Russian “Nord” should take place today. Recall that the Russian fishing vessel was actually seized by Ukrainian border guards in the Azov Sea 25 March. Only a few days later, the Russian Foreign Ministry demanded that Kiev release both the ship and 10 crew members.

According to the crew of the Nord, representatives of the Security Service of Ukraine, who came on board the ship, said that they would be released as soon as they renounced the citizenship of the Russian Federation and “wanted” to receive Ukrainian passports. None of the crew members did this, saying: “We are citizens of Russia!”

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian State Border Service said that Ukraine intends to continue to detain Russian ships if they entered the Crimea or were assigned to the Crimean ports.

Comments

[Hunter 2]

Absolutely "coast" lost! there is only one way out, to DROP To hell - these "detainees" !!!

[Fedor egoist]

Close them Azov, and the point. Mariupol may diverge)

[Thrall]

There are still 37 Ukrainian diplomats left in Russia. You have to dig a big zindan ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Thrall

You have to dig a big zindan ...

dug up the sea, and already a hole ... yes, like two fingers on the asphalt

[bulvas]

It must be publicly stated that if the UN or some other organization does not condemn Ukraine for piracy, Russia will act on its own, as it should with pirates

Or do not set a condition - declare and act immediately

[hrych]

Quote: bulvas

Russia will act on its own, as it should with pirates

[Heterocapsa]

Well, they were there at the UN used to just plump in breaks in buffets and on phones at meetings, sit and dreamily be awestruck about the past, and then, as Ukraine began, they are constantly being urgently gathered for meetings, they are already howling from this Ukrainian insanity. .

[Oleko]

Quote: bulvas

It must be publicly stated that if the UN or some other organization does not condemn Ukraine for piracy, Russia will act on its own, as it should with pirates

I have a neighbor - "Sanya - Moroman." He went to the seas and told how the French acted on the escort ship. As soon as the pirates appeared, the French uncovered the six-barreled and ... Alexander said that it was unclear what was flying in the air: it was venigret from bones, fragments of a motorboat and so on. Do not stand on ceremony.
From us, the “Guardian” corvette went for escort, it had a marine corps unit that captured the pirates alive. (the roller has a capture).
Ukraine is not Somalia. There pirates are outlawed. They are declared pirates. And there was international assistance in ship security. And here is the detention of border guards. The fact that they are openly mocking is the same people who hate us.
And regarding the Bagira, it is fiction. Women are not allowed into the water. They can be certified for midshipmen, can receive an officer rank with higher education, but no scuba gear.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Thrall

There are still 37 Ukrainian diplomats left in Russia.

And what? Surely there is some kind of agreement with Ukraine on the joint use of the Sea of ​​Azov, if it really is, then it seems to be over.
It is time in this water area to draw our twelve-mile zone and the three-hundred-mile economic zone, too, our own, respectively.

[New Year day]

Quote: Gray Brother

three hundred mile economic, too, its own, respectively.

then this zone will end somewhere near Zaporozhye. In principle, not bad.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Silvestr

then this zone will end somewhere near Zaporozhye. In principle, not bad.

Let the Ukrainians have a headache about it.

[Xnumx vis]

They will run to complain to Uncle Trump and Aunt May!

[Orionvit]

Quote: Silvestr

then this zone will end somewhere near Zaporozhye

It would be necessary to include Zaporizhia.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Thrall

... In Russia there are still 37 Ukrainian diplomats. Big Zindan will have to dig ...

I'm not sure that in exchange for the followers of the sect Klim Chugunkin, they will give our citizens.
The most optimal way out that was announced in the morning is to “shut off oxygen” on our inland Sea of ​​Azov. Block the hell out of ukrolohanki so that they rot at the berths. The screams will begin, but they will scream about their own maydanut.
Raguli themselves, on a silver platter, will deliver the detainees.

[donavi49]

On what basis?
The blockade is okay UN decision. There is no UN - then you can run into international blockade breakers that are guided by the Convention for the Protection of Shipping - which also shoot at everything that moves indiscriminately, there Iran already felt this on its Airbus.

Not a blockade, just an inspection of Ukrainian courts? Okay Maybe in the next 10 years - one Ukrainian ship will come out to inspect. Just everyone else comes with the flags of Mongolia, Belize and other Senegal. Search them? On what basis? Again, sponsors easily spur an international shipping protection mission. They have an iron base - an international convention.

Does Russia get out of the convention? Then all US vassals will enthusiastically launch Russian ships everywhere. Neither Suets can pass, nor Gibraltar, nor leave the Baltic.

In general, in this case, ukrov has iron arguments (they took fishermen from their shores either in the 12 mile zone or in the 15 mile zone), and the border guards / navy should take a slip and prepare to stop the next capture.

[Andrey K]

Quote: donavi49

... Blockade - okay UN decision. There is no UN - then you can run into international blockers that are guided by the Convention for the Protection of Shipping - which also shoot at everything that moves indiscriminately, there Iran already felt this on its Airbus ...

Colleague! Horror drove - already horror. No UN and any "blockade-breakers" in the Sea of ​​Azov are not that they will not turn up, they will not even come close!
Which UN and which international laws may prescribe use inland sea Russia and Ukraine?
All the "blockade-breakers" and the UN in this case are "overboard."
What Suez, what Gibraltar, what Baltic? These are completely different conditions, absolutely excluding any analogies.

[NKT]

The detention was not carried out in territorial waters, and there are no economic zones there - we have common use. The Russian Federation can also detain Ukrainian ships under any pretext.

[Orionvit]

Quote: donavi49

In general - in this case ukrov has iron argument

They have only one argument, it is "a violation of the rules for the presence of sailors with Russian passports in the occupied territory." The question is not where they caught fish, but that they are from the Crimea, which Ukraine still considers its own.

[Antares]

Quote: Orionvit

but that they are from the Crimea, which Ukraine still considers its own.

Not only Ukraine, if only Ukraine believed and the UN did not, then the opinion could be neglected. However, for the world, legally, Krym is Ukraine and any argument on the part of the Russian Federation will be noted by Resolution.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Antares

Not only Ukraine, if only Ukraine believed and the UN did not, then the opinion could be neglected. However, for the world, legally, Krym is Ukraine and any argument on the part of the Russian Federation will be noted by Resolution.

When citizens of one country are illegally detained in another country, this terrorism.
But for the authorities of Banderostan, this is normal practice, which shows the extermination of the Ukrainian population in the Donbass.

[helmi8]

Quote: Antares

Krym is Ukraine and any argument on the part of the Russian Federation will be noted by Resolution.

Dear, it’s time to know that the UN resolutions are RECOMMENDATIVE in nature, you can even not read them if you wish. Mandatory are UN Security Council resolutions. And there were no decisions on the Crimea from the Security Council ...

[210ox]

Unfortunately, our “diggers of the Zindans” and “toilets in the outhouse” pronounced their dignity.

Quote: Thrall

There are still 37 Ukrainian diplomats left in Russia. You have to dig a big zindan ...

[97110]

Quote: Thrall

You have to dig a big zindan ...

Let them dig. Give them BSL without a grip, and go ahead ...

[Antares]

Quote: Thrall

There are still 37 Ukrainian diplomats left in Russia. You have to dig a big zindan ...

Now there are about 50 Russian diplomats on the territory of our country. Taking into account the expulsions, it’s also 37 more likely.

[Michael-rl]

The Captain of the Nord

[Lex.]

sink a couple of Ukrainian troughs so that the rest are afraid to go out to sea

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Lex.

sink a couple of Ukrainian troughs so that the rest are afraid to go out to sea

Trough, dumb! In the presence of only leaky coxae

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Lex.

sink a couple of Ukrainian troughs so that the rest are afraid to go out to sea

No need to heat ....
All vessels under the Ukrainian flag should be detained in the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov. The reason - yes here it is, the proud and not-so-good Britons suggested when they did an inspection of our airliner

The British authorities said that for border services inspection of the aircraft is a routine procedure in the fight against organized crime and the transport of prohibited substances into the country. This statement was made on Saturday by British Security Secretary Ben Wallace.
“For the border guard to conduct an aircraft search is a routine procedure aimed at protecting the UK from organized crime and from those who are trying to import harmful substances such as drugs and firearms into the country,” Reuters quoted the Wallace statement.

But this is only the beginning...
Simultaneously with the inspection the ship is checked for compliance the so-called Paris MOU memorandum forces port inspectors of Kerch. And, believe me, taking into account both the technical condition of the vessels and other nuances, you can find MASSU of reasons for the detention and arrest of almost any vessel.
I’ll even tell you where to detain the detained ships of Banderastan - Donuzlav ....

[New Year day]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Donuzlav.

there will be many ships. Under the Union and the BDK, both destroyers and search engines stood. Enough space

[helmi8]

Quote: stalkerwalker

you can find MASSU reasons for the detention and arrest of almost any ship.

One iron reason we have - Islyamov threatened to blow up the Crimean bridge? He was threatened. So, if you please, the trough for inspection on the subject of explosives and terrorists. All. For a more thorough inspection, you can tow to your port ...

[helmi8]

Quote: helmi8

Pull out the trough for inspection

To my own comment, I’ll add that you need to conduct a thorough search of ALL ships, regardless of the country of registration, if the ship goes to the port of Ukraine or vice versa. And now, when a dozen ships stand idle for several days in the area of ​​the Kerch Strait, then the next time the carriers will think - and they need it, incur losses due to the stupidity of the undersized ... And let's see whose fly it lands.

[Lena Petrova]

Yes, the only effective way. Declare that in such cases they will react like a pirate seizure using weapons (destruction). I think that once is enough.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Hunter 2

Absolutely "coast" lost! there is only one way out, to DROP To hell - these "detainees" !!!

Leave the border guards without transport. Close the strait.

[svp67]

Quote: Hunter 2

there is only one way out, to DROP TO .....

All such cases are resolved through the International Maritime Court, why so far Russia has not applied there?

[Orionvit]

Quote: svp67

All such cases are resolved through the International Maritime Court, why so far Russia has not applied there?

What excuse is the “international court” if all “civilized humanity” has still not recognized Crimea as Russian? This is a sure loss in their legal field. There is only one way out, power. Already this language, in Ukraine they understand very well.

[svp67]

Quote: Orionvit

What excuse is the “international court” if all “civilized humanity” has still not recognized Crimea as Russian?

Crimea, Crimea, but the ship is RUSSIAN and all terms of such detentions EXCEEDED AT TIME. Here you can already contact any international court

[Orionvit]

Quote: svp67

but the ship is RUSSIAN

And the port of registry?

[svp67]

Quote: Orionvit

And the port of registry?

What about the flag?

[Orionvit]

Quote: svp67

What about the flag?

So the ship was captured not because of the flag, but because of the Crimea.

[svp67]

Quote: Orionvit

So the ship was captured not because of the flag, but because of the Crimea.

He was captured because they framed or framed. Which is basically the same thing.

[Antares]

Quote: Orionvit

And the port of registry?

Well then, depending on how the Foreign Ministry acted. If he released the crew, he could have achieved more. For the crew is easiest, and the pelvis and captain would have to be put on the back burner (and most likely, partners would be exchanged for a similar case)
The fact is that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is playing its own game, promoting the case and its role. However, they do the job very badly. They may have forgotten how (though in Ukraine they really didn’t work)
There are options. Unfortunately, the Foreign Ministry in Ukraine was blown away like the whole of the Russian Federation. The failed policy has led Russia to the number one enemy in the largest Russian-speaking country. And what friends, partners, money, influence, connections, etc. could do (and on this they saw money for 20 years and it’s all in existence even now), everything is forgotten. The simplest case and the Foreign Ministry cannot do anything ....

[Orionvit]

Quote: Antares

The simplest case and the Foreign Ministry can do nothing

Of course it can’t, because Ukraine does not pursue its own, but foreign policy. As the owner says, they will do so in Ukraine. Their constitution and the very concept of legality have long been buried in Ukraine. They began to bury immediately in 1991, and finished on the Maidan.

[Incvizitor]

"Ukraine" in Somalia.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Incvizitor

"Ukraine" in Somalia.

Ahead ...

Quote: Antares

The simplest case and the Foreign Ministry can not do anything ....

How many Ukrainian sailors were captured by the Somalis? How many Klimka Chugunkin saved?

Quote: Antares

Unfortunately, the Foreign Ministry in Ukraine was blown away like the whole of the Russian Federation

Whose cows would moo ...

[megaKritik]

See how much determination in the title? Such people are respected in the modern world. And not those that mumbles and writes complaints in sportloto.

[Thrall]

Quote: megaKritik

See how much determination in the title? Such people are respected in the modern world. And not those that mumbles and writes complaints in sportloto.

Which ones?

[megaKritik]

active. Those whose words do not differ from deeds.

[NEXUS]

Quote: megaKritik

Those whose words do not differ from deeds.

Do Parasha have things to do with business? The Kiev junta, like that mongrel, hiding behind Europe and the USA, barks what they will tell it to bark. Such, if you touch, then only with a wand. I’ll listen to you, when our Karakurts will patrol the Sea of ​​Azov, together with the Raptors ... then I want to see what you will do and with what they will diverge.

[megaKritik]

You have no evidence that the Pentagon and Brussels ordered the capture of a fishing vessel and not the captain of the border guard on their own initiative. Will be - write, read and take your words back.

[NEXUS]

Quote: megaKritik

Will be - write, read and take your words back.

Before writing nonsense, you would familiarize yourself with the 2003 agreement between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on shipping in those waters.
As for the Pentagon and Brussels ... so who supports Kiev? Aren't they? Who sends weapons to instructors in Ukraine? Who don’t sponsor the Maidan? Do not sit here to be smart. Parash, like the whole of your Nazi junta, is sitting on the lure near the mattresses, and you are sitting here discussing the evidence. Download further, you will see soon European heal. With prices like in the EU, and with salaries like in Guinea Bissau.

[megaKritik]

and you do not translate into geopolitics. no evidence so keep quiet or look. It was immediately in the comments that this seiner almost went to the Berdyansk beach to fish.

[NEXUS]

Quote: megaKritik

and you do not translate into geopolitics. no evidence so keep quiet or look.

Dear, it’s your government’s transferring everything to geopolitics, since, if anything, they will start to scream that Russia attacked them. And about the evidence ... do you have evidence that our seiner violated something? I repeat for those who are in the tank, read the contract for 2003, and do not write nonsense anymore.

[NF68]

Quote: megaKritik

See how much determination in the title? Such people are respected in the modern world. And not those that mumbles and writes complaints in sportloto.

This determination will quickly deflate after the Russian Black Sea Fleet sets about protecting shipping. And these "decisive" someday serious specialists in psychiatry.

[Archivist Vasya]

I agree in general. That's just how much more to wait for this "after".

[NF68]

Quote: Archivist Vasya

I agree in general. That's just how much more to wait for this "after".

It’s possible that you won’t have to wait too long.

[abrakadabre]

And these "decisive" someday serious specialists in psychiatry.

No psychiatry at all. Only through the prosecutor's office according to the principles of Nuremberg. There is no psychiatry there. There is an evil grimace of fascism. In modern reincarnation.

[NF68]

Quote: abrakadabre

And these "decisive" someday serious specialists in psychiatry.

No psychiatry at all. Only through the prosecutor's office according to the principles of Nuremberg. There is no psychiatry there. There is an evil grimace of fascism. In modern reincarnation.

So far, in modern reincarnation, only a trial similar to a tribunal for Yugoslavia is possible. And the entire "civilized community" point blank will not see any violations from the side of the horses.

[vorobey]

Robert is this a fool? sarcasm? I neighing ...

Quote: megaKritik

See how much determination in the title?

Well, in this case, I would like to wish success to the Ukrainian prikaronnniks in their frogworms ... Today, only a comment left on this topic

vorobey (Sasha) Today, 09:07 | Forced to live next to rotting fish. Captain "Nord" - about the humiliation of the SBU
Quote: mordvin xnumx
Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
And this is that dish
Is there a pirate flag in the top photo? We must arm the fishermen.
Volodya inappropriately fishermen to arm .. otherwise they will have no time to catch fish ..
The agreement between the Government of Russia and the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine on measures to ensure the safety of navigation in the Sea of ​​Azov and the Kerch Strait of March 20, 2012 develops the Ukrainian-Russian peacetime agreements. In connection with the actual change in the status quo, the claims of the Russian Federation with regard to the waters of the Sea of ​​Azov are likely to increase. On March 21, 2014, the Russian Foreign Ministry (Lavrov) announced that the Kerch Strait, after the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Federation, is no longer the subject of negotiations with Ukraine on the demarcation of the Black Sea and the Sea of ​​Azov.
Moreover, the organization of shipping in the Kerch Strait will apparently be controlled exclusively by Russia, and the passage of Ukrainian vessels and third-flag vessels to the sea ports of the Sea of ​​Azov will become the subject of Russian legislation.
there are departments that should do this seriously ... and as for provocations ... no matter how prepared, no one is safe from a bite of a hamster or a black-headed turd ..
By the way, therefore, Ukrainians are trying not to terminate the friendship and cooperation agreement with Russia ..
Ukrainians, either by meager thinking or by thoughtlessness, themselves set a precedent and gave Russia carte blanche for Azov and the Kerch Strait ..

[megaKritik]

Quote: vorobey

On March 21, 2014, the Russian Foreign Ministry (Lavrov) said that the Kerch Strait after the annexation of Crimea to the Russian Federation ceases to be the subject of negotiations with Ukraine on the demarcation of the Black Sea and the Sea of ​​Azov

You see, the world community does not think and will not recognize this, but also Russian mobile operators, Sberbank and even Gazprom, which stopped pumping gas from the Black Sea after shouting from Kiev.

This determination is quickly blown away

you wrote it in the future indefinitely. Remember the story of 2016 with the killed Russian paratrooper and FSB lieutenant colonel in the Crimea.

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

You see, the world community does not think and will not recognize this, but also Russian mobile operators, Sberbank and even Gazprom, which stopped pumping gas from the Black Sea after shouting from Kiev.

and what to read on the coffee grounds ... we'll see ..

[DMB_95]

Quote: megaKritik

you see, the world community does not think and does not recognize ....

And where did you get the idea that the opinion of the "world community" is more important for Russia than its own? For Kiev, any Western country is an unreal authority.

[megaKritik]

For Kiev, any Western country is an unreal authority.

bowing to the west, we all have blood! a long time to squeeze drop by drop will have to.

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

For Kiev, any Western country is an unreal authority.

bowing to the west, we all have blood! a long time to squeeze drop by drop will have to.

here it’s not necessary to generalize only ...

[97110]

Quote: megaKritik

bowing to the west, we all have blood!

With which we congratulate you. Roll, lads, a glass, and bring drunken snot on the table. America is with you!

[vorobey]

Quote: 97110

America is with you!

more global global WORLDWIDE

[DMB_95]

Quote: megaKritik

bowing to the west, we all have blood! a long time to squeeze drop by drop will have to.

I have never had such rubbish in my blood.

[New Year day]

Quote: vorobey

We must arm the fishermen.

well no. you just need to raise Andreev’s flag over the labels.

[dvina71]

Quote: megaKritik

See how much determination in the title? Such people are respected in the modern world. And not those that mumbles and writes complaints in sportloto.

I can remind you of one story .. \\\\\ it was in Georgia .. Local security forces got into the habit of getting a Russian peacekeeper .. then they block, then they deliver to the local police .. It all ended with this ..

After all the attacks on the peacekeepers stopped ..
So your "active" can run into something like n ....

[megaKritik]

together piled on an elderly fat Georgian with a belly, if not ashamed

[Thrall]

Quote: megaKritik

together piled on an elderly fat Georgian with a belly, if not ashamed

I agree that with such a belly kebab should be eaten with wine at home, and not the Georgian people should try to defend.

[97110]

Quote: Thrall

with such a belly

in the shadow of plane trees
foam of sweet wines
on patterned shalvars
sleepy pours Georgians.
The Russian language is rich! It’s even impossible to poetize Di Shise with poetry ... despite the proximity to the American body (proximity in the “a la crab” position, of course)

[Russia]

Quote: megaKritik

together piled on an elderly fat Georgian with a belly, if not ashamed

Wow, methodologist, I look you got used to it, you talk with respected people, but how much honor? I'll see how nervousness will affect your syllable.

[vorobey]

Quote: Rusland

Quote: megaKritik

I am for Yanukovych Uncle Vitya, whom you are holding in the Rostov dungeons of the kidnapped

Do not speak your teeth, I see through a dill.

can I watch from the side ... I'm screaming just ... I haven’t seen the guys from the Ministry of Truth for a long time here .. in general, it somehow diminished in the networks of stubborn ones, but here I’m a sincere ideological person ... I don’t want to beat .. I just smiling ..

[Russia]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: Rusland

Quote: megaKritik

I am for Yanukovych Uncle Vitya, whom you are holding in the Rostov dungeons of the kidnapped

Do not speak your teeth, I see through a dill.

can I watch from the side ... I'm screaming just ... I haven’t seen the guys from the Ministry of Truth for a long time here .. in general, it somehow diminished in the networks of stubborn ones, but here I’m a sincere ideological person ... I don’t want to beat .. I just smiling ..

Alexander, I got it!

[Incvizitor]

and here is a sincere ideological man ...

Nowadays, it’s a rare sight, in no case it’s impossible to ban and don’t get too much, otherwise it will start about “Muscovites on knives” and the ban itself will catch.

[Svarog51]

Andrei There are no empty seats in the Red Book. Mutual will not work either. The moderator is already observing, and when the locator is in active mode, it’s better not to enter the zone, otherwise it will arrive.

[perm23]

Return it back to you. Your legitimately elected president whom you could not defend ..

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

otherwise I’ll write to modera and ban you

I am corrupt like every Muscovite .... where are the details for transferring money to throw ... easy .. who do you want to ban?

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

I am corrupt like every Muscovite .... where are the details for transferring money to throw ... easy .. who do you want to ban?

I hear a speech not of a boy but of a husband .. there will be a rollback?)

.. well, this is a complete paragraph .. I’m already confusing .. who asks someone about the service ... guys .. well, you should know the measure ... otherwise Jews are already offended .. they only milk the Germans and you manage the whole world ..

[megaKritik]

you’ll annoy the world, you’ve muddied the coup \ supported and how to send money to maintain the hryvnia there’s no one ... Only Gref, God bless him, for the entire 17 years Sberbank capitalized despite the protests of the Natsiks

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

Only Gref, God bless him, the whole 17 year Sberbank capitalized despite the protests of the Natsiks

and why are you then dubbing them in shop windows and facades?

[Antares]

Quote: vorobey

and why are you then dubbing them in shop windows and facades?

The history of Sberbank in Ukraine is a farce. The usual transfer of an asset from one hand to another (both Russian)
Azov was used for a fee, creating the appearance of a "public" and its "protest"
As soon as the money was transferred to the "public" and formally signed the paper on the transition from the left hand to the right, Azov evaporated.
They removed the labels, hung the Ukrainian flag again and work quietly on.
You understand the nationalists, "radicals", "patriots" are all highly paid hard work. In every country. Ukraine is no exception. They drive their ideological ones. At the front, in the first place, the most ideological and stubborn were disposed of (that of Russians that of Ukrainians)

[97110]

Quote: megaKritik

come on

Here you are not the right sector - do not be rude. How much does your oxymoron live there? Have to go east, look for work. Get used to your place already ... under the sun. As my grandmother said about such: "Do not teach, but let go of the world - horseradish, not pieces!" Do you understand Russian, teacher unfinished?

[dvina71]

Quote: megaKritik

together piled on an elderly fat Georgian with a belly

This old and fat one .. at that time was the EMNIP major (in our opinion) of the Georgian special forces .. Normal is such a fighting fat man .., I do not advise you to stand across the road ..

[megaKritik]

retired means already, experience transfers or grows grapes

[sabakina]

Quote: megaKritik

together piled on an elderly fat Georgian with a belly, if not ashamed

Hey, wise guy, have you ever tried sumo wrestler to fill up ???

[New Year day]

Quote: dvina71

After all the attacks on the peacekeepers stopped ..

in the 94th, when the KChF was divided, the banderlogs seized the commandant’s office of Sevastopol by explicit order. With the help of the Russian marines who arrived, the banderlogs soon opened the doors and windows of the commandant’s office, some with their asses, some with their heads. There were no more captures.

[megaKritik]

soon opened the doors and windows of the commandant’s office, who’s ass, who’s head

those. not by order of the Kremlin but on their own initiative in the field. That's where the point is.

[New Year day]

Quote: megaKritik

not by order of the Kremlin

by order of Admiral Kasatonov. And in the Kremlin, EBN did not even know about it.

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

soon opened the doors and windows of the commandant’s office, who’s ass, who’s head

those. not by order of the Kremlin but on their own initiative in the field. That's where the point is.

and then I’m overworked ..

[vovanpain]

Quote: megaKritik

See how much determination in the title? Such people are respected in the modern world.

Tyu whom you riches respect respect don’t make the cat laugh, only your feet aren’t wiping about you yet, but soon they will, you can fart without orders from behind the puddle

[megaKritik]

Dumka get richer

your words are rather offensive, I think so - they’ll tighten the fine, sailors go home and I don’t know the ship, maybe they will requisition. And the topic will stall by itself.

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

And the topic will stall by itself.

I doubt it ... we won’t win back on your fishermen .. but your warriors on zhabodavs .. in Azov now it will be sick ..

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/08/2016/57b3a8699a
79475c251e731a

that link is broken ... 404 shows ..

[vovanpain]

Quote: megaKritik

your words are rather offensive,

Not to your account, but about those who gave such a command and about our gouging overslept piracy,

Quote: megaKritik

the fine will be sealed, the sailors go home and I don’t know the ship, maybe they will requisition.

Maybe they’ll condense, but the sailors are being pressed out, they can be planted, the vessel is requisitioned.

Quote: megaKritik

the topic will stall by itself.

There is another topic, while in Ukraine the Americans, the Security Service of Ukraine, and other offices operate a tool against us.

[megaKritik]

but how could they not oversleep if the seiner (out of habit, apparently) almost landed to the Ukrainian shore? The captain will still have a break when released, and vigilant citizens on the Internet to catch him on contradictions.

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

I almost moored to the Ukrainian coast?

how many miles from the coast did they detain him?

But how does the border go along Azov ...?

[megaKritik]

140 km north of Kerch
https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2018-04/thumbs/15
22830353_215128291.jpg
poached near the shore

link works
Kommersant learned the details of the death in Crimea of ​​the FSB lieutenant colonel and paratrooper
https://www.rbc.ru/politics/17/08/2016/57b3a8699a
79475c251e731a

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

140 km north of Kerch

in other words, 15 miles from the Ukrainian coast ..

[vorobey]

Quote: megaKritik

less than 30 km ..

there are no borders in the Sea of ​​Azov between Ukraine and Russia. read the agreement on the joint use of the waters of the Azov Sea and the Kerch Strait ..

Even if Ukraine itself drew the borders ... then they can’t go beyond the 12-mile zone ..

22,23 km from the coast. so .. alas.

[megaKritik]

therefore, if they were detained at 22 km from the coast, then by law, if not further, then not? However, the Ukrainian side accuses the crew of illegal entry-exit to the occupied territory, this is just a fine and a ban on entry to Ukraine, like Mademoiselle Sobchak

[Svarog51]

Robert One question - are you not from the second floor of the SBU building? Very much like a partner rhetoric.

[Antares]

Quote: Svarog51

Very much like a partner rhetoric. soldier

I used to be like that too .. But it’s almost the same as the Russian couch troops, only the home port is different. You start arguing with one, and as a result, with the whole forum. Emotions do not solve anything. Maybe he was young. He was engaged in useless business.

[Svarog51]

I asked a short, clear and direct question and even explained why I asked. I did not hear the answer as concrete, continuous "wagging aft". This is already suggestive, but let us leave my guesses aside. I am waiting for an answer, with the same direct.

[scrap123]

Everything will be so until we push the shores ...

[Borik]

We had to immediately respond to the detention of our ship and not chew four days snot. That Ukrainians and insolent. Now they are declaring that they will continue to seize ships. And we could completely send our boat to this gadyushnik and take our ship away by force, but again the bench press played, as if it would not get worse. The whole civilized world immediately rolls a barrel for us for using something war-poisonous there, either gas or powder, or buckwheat exclusive. And here we would still be accused of piracy.
What should we do?
Capture their ships.
Arm your
Constantly patrol off their coast.
But we have no right to close the Kerch Strait.

[d1m1drol]

For each vessel, the operator "Metis" or "Cornet"

[sir_obs]

Tracking raguli troughs and drowning when trying to detain our ships is a feasible task.

[Smoked]

As I understand it, there is a break-in of some technology or actions when one state does not recognize the citizenship of another. Interesting times however.

[NF68]

It is quickly and effectively treated. As soon as the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet begin patrolling, there will immediately be no one who wants to capture Russian ships.

[Dave36]

And we will be outraged ... Masha ... come on ...

[seti]

We are already outraged.
You understand that such a situation with the detention of our ship and crew is simply heaven and manna for us. Let me explain - the country 4o4 proved to be not only a terrorist but also a pirate state. There is an international code of counteraction. It is possible to exert such pressure on other methods of pressure which, in other circumstances, would not be so popular and justified.
But now Russia’s hands are untied and there is an excellent excuse - we protect our property and citizens. You can choose a huge number of countermeasures - from the delay of fishing / merchant ships of the country 4о4 and not allowing their fishermen to catch areas to the banal not letting their fleet and foreign vessels into the ports of the country 4о4 through the Kerch Strait ..
So everything is repeated as with water, electricity and the food blockade of the Crimea and the coal crisis. Glory to the idiots of the fallow ..

[mikh-korsakov]

You are right in theory, but I’m afraid that in response to any kind of forceful action, Putin’s friends and partners will begin “in solidarity” to start detaining our vessels everywhere. Does our Navy have the strength to guard them.

[ioan-e]

With a probability of 99,9%, banderlogs acted on orders from phasington! Your assumptions are likely. A tough answer must be given immediately, until arrogance has become super-impudence.

[seti]

And we have to do this with the device. There will be a post and they will complain about it. I think the answer will not be long and the crew will soon be released.

[Nikolai Petrov]

To which dimension do Svidomo live? Sit with 2-3 boats with NSW on the shore of the lake (and the Sea of ​​Azov for Bandera is just a lake) and declare that everyone will win. I think in the story with the “Nord” will be continued (and not in favor of diggers).

[Corsair0304]

And what - a lot of independent border boats? How much does it take to sink in order to swear closer to our peaceful ships?
A strong political solution is needed, and as an intermediate option - to provide the peaceful people with reliable protection. And what form he will take - security by our border guards or security groups on board - let them decide on the spot.

[lance]

until they open fire in ukraine and take the north by force, they will not calm down

[iliitchitch]

Well, Vladimir Vladimirovich, is not it time? cockroaches under the baseboard, where is the place, and dichlorvos? To drown a couple of pelvis for a start, otherwise why do we have a Navy? They simply spit in us, but is Lavrov worried again? When we get rid of cowards and traitors in key ministries ...

[Vita vko]

It is interesting how much more Russian citizens need to be sacrificed so that the government finally understands that international law is an empty phrase for the Kiev junta.

[vorobey]

Quote: Vita VKO

how much more do you need to sacrifice Russian citizens

and what have you already written off Nord’s crew?

[Vita vko]

Quote: vorobey

and what have you already written off Nord’s crew?

The question is rhetorical. The Foreign Ministry of Russia will do this without us. There are already more than a dozen captured Russian citizens.

[Antares]

Quote: Vita VKO

and how much more Russian citizens need to be sacrificed so that the government would finally understand

come on, as soon as the elections won out that 72 thousand Russians are living in Ukraine ... They are only interesting as an electorate. And about the victims .. we don’t give up. They just sit at home.

[loki565]

It's time to drown like pirates

[ioan-e]

It’s a pity the masts on modern ships are small - you won’t hang much at a time!

[iliitchitch]

Quote: ioan-e

It’s a pity the masts on modern ships are small - you won’t hang much at a time!

But first, tarring and undermining, for the sake of safety, the allowance is very clear, the cadaver will be gorgeous. One mast is enough, I think.

[ioan-e]

What a bloodthirsty you are))))))

[97110]

Quote: ioan-e

It’s a pity the masts on modern ships are small - you won’t hang much at a time!

Apply keeling (dragging the guilty under the keel on the cable) with a reduced (so as not to injure the bodies of the dragged) speed.

[prior]

Why maintain an army and navy if they do not protect their citizens, ordinary sailors ?! And if they do not protect their citizens, then whom or what? Salvage of officials and powerful people? Afraid of the World Cup?
Shame, no worse than the Olympics under a white rag. And what about the Olympics?

[97110]

Quote: prior

army and navy, if they do not protect their citizens,

In a capitalist society, they are intended to protect the ruling class from external and internal enemies. Try to realize and stop making socialist nonsense.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: 97110

In a capitalist society, they are designed to protect the ruling class from enemies of external and internal

Oooooooo, how everything is running ...
And the non-ruling classes “they,” become, do not defend?
But the country as a whole "from external enemies" - also do not protect?
Something you are, my friend, awkwardly froze

[Nikolai Petrov]

Quote: iliitch

Well, Vladimir Vladimirovich, is not it time? cockroaches under the baseboard, where is the place, and dichlorvos? To drown a couple of pelvis for a start, otherwise why do we have a Navy? They simply spit in us, but is Lavrov worried again? When we get rid of cowards and traitors in key ministries ...

Tipun to your tongue. This is about dichlorvos. Heart attacks seize from “buckwheat” from buckwheat, and you're talking about dichlorvos.
And so everything is true, completely and completely agree with you.

[Herculesic]

Lavrov, awww! !! Where are you there? Are you going to Berdyansk on an armored boat, or immediately to Kherson? Shame! We tolerate spitting in our faces from under-state! As I understand it, there will continue to be only myamlin and babble, and we will never wait for action from this power! Another xhp, or essentially a big zilch!

[Runoway]

It's time to engage Ramzan Akhmatovich

[97110]

Quote: Runoway

It's time to engage Ramzan Akhmatovich

Do you think that in vain the Caspian flotilla base camp in Kaspiysk? Here Mr. Kadyrov will lead the Marines and defeat Ukraine ...

[mikh-korsakov]

Ukraine naturally became insolent after Russia's reaction to the capture of the Russian ship was slurred. They threatened with a finger and stamped the leg. So what? Our guarantor does not guarantee the protection of Russian citizens. Evil had to be nipped in the bud.

[saveall]

They kept them on the ship for a week at the pier ... Well, really, during this time it was impossible to do something to free them, so that from now on it would not be uncommon to seize ships? Now they waited that the captain was taken to the SBU ... And what are we going to do now? To promise that now the Black Sea Fleet will guard every vessel going out to sea on which there are citizens of the Russian Federation? So it’s too late to guard that. What a spinelessness in relation to its citizens, word of honor ...

[Hurricane70]

Convoy ... a couple of boats ... And diarrhea in land saloids ...

[97110]

Quote: Hurricane70

And diarrhea in land saloids ..

If the team from phishington will be. They will say: "Constipation", there will be no diarrhea.

[Not served]

Now they will block the strait, the necessary vessel will be slowed down, which thread of the oligarch will get everything, he will immediately close the problem.

[shuravi]

However, there are other questions:
Here are yesterday's "News":



In the twentieth minute (19 ': 30' '), it was announced that the spider was caught.
Then we look at the area of ​​its distribution:





And on the trawler’s route:




So the question is, why did the captain go there?

[1536]

A couple of fishing schooners from the Crimea must be released into the sea with special forces armed with heavy small arms. As Ukrainian pirates draw near, capture their boats or sink if they refuse to surrender. I think that one such incident will be enough to stop piracy.

[perm23]

Here you are right. It is not known who drowned. Pirates damn it.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

What to take from them, the owner from overseas gave a clear order, to constantly provoke Russia, otherwise you will not receive money from the IMF ..! Especially since the Kerch bridge will open and an endless stream will go .. Here and rage!

[askme]

With this, everything is not easy. This mnogohodovka obviously from the Washington regional committee. Our military response is calculated and desirable for them. Like, we’ll close the Sea of ​​Azov, sink the shells of the state’s pirates - the Yankees will begin to build a powerful naval base in Mariupol, for example. For example, by the type of Syria, they will shove our US coast guard at our side (do not care that it is illegal, in Syria lawlessness has been rolled out, only on the ground). And we’ll try to block the strait to us, for example, they will block Gibraltar and do not care, which is illegal, they will be justified by the Kerch Strait, etc ....


So ours should first think a thousand times and only then act. But you must act. This is the genre ...

From the point of view of the backstage, it is important to have a constant conveyor of provocations, to constantly develop a conflict between the West and Russia, to which Russia cannot but respond. So you need to competently work with situations. Try to force them to play on themselves, and not on the enemy ...

This is why it is now so important to continue to deal with the Skripals case. We need to slaughter the West in its guano of lawlessness. To fix in this state the West constantly, in this position, keep them cancer continuously for now!

We need to start cleaning the international associations such as the OPCW, which supported the bleating of the West against Russia, regarding chemical attacks in Syria. These are all the scum to start cleaning out. And only then, catching the fear on the international bureaucrats - to respond in Ukraine.

[brdm]

Enjoy the standard silence at our top. Why not?! Since RUSSIA, gives the opportunity to act. Where are the response MEASURES !? And why not once !!! ???

[senima56]

So what? We will continue to calmly listen to this Bandera nonsense ?! It's time to answer tough and effective! So that it would continue to be inconsistent not only to seize our vessels, but also to make such “announcements”! I repeat: block the Kerch Strait in both directions for ships flying the Ukrainian flag!

[next322]

The senseless game of brotherly people, the daily wiping of savory spits from this brotherly people, is becoming the corporate style of the Russian Foreign Ministry. Complete helplessness and confusion for ten days

[senima56]

Quote: Not served

Now they will block the strait, the necessary vessel will be slowed down, which thread of the oligarch will get everything, he will immediately close the problem.

Something in no hurry to block ... The second week went with the arrest!

[X Y Z]

During the years of World War II, such a good tool as a ship-trap was used. There is such a cargo ship, let’s say a boat of Ukrainian border guards approaches it. An alarm is played, guns and an armed team appear. A boat with border guards is towed to a Russian port, followed by a charge of piracy. So guess then, is it worth it to approach the bulk carrier under the flag of the Russian Federation. And legally, everything is clean - the fight against piracy is a holy cause.

[alekc75]

all their pelvis to the bottom, so as not to grab !!!

[C0ba1tum]

So they are the power version of the solution and beg for it. Casus Belli they need before the inauguration and the World Cup, the order and the headstock need to work out. The war will go on until the last Ukrainians.

[alexsipin]

Good. The hostile state has seized dozens of hostages, mocks them, and a huge nuclear power pretends that it is necessary. Human life is like a penny. Operation Entebbe helps you.

[perm23]

But in the first Entebes, the same prepared for some time. Such operations are not performed without preparation. And the fact that they did not report to you. sorry.

[sergeyezhov]

Quote: perm23

Such operations are not performed without preparation. And the fact that they did not report to you. sorry

The most important thing is that you, the citizens of Russia, would report to you, otherwise you are heroes in films on television, such as in Sea Devils, but in real life, it seems that your people are abandoned.

[seacap]

We have a fleet and an army for what, for parades and beautiful pictures, to scare burghers? Why can Israel send special forces across half a continent, shoot bandits and return the hostages 1000 km from them, and we, in fact, on our territory can’t we protect our citizens and property from impudent hooliganism? Just sitting we spread our snot on our cheeks and indistinctly grunting that it’s impossible, we do not give a damn about our citizens being impudent, cynical without concealing this, in front of us, Natsik is scoffing. But will respect for their country and leaders be taken with such an attitude towards their citizens and with the complete indifference of the officials themselves to the reputation of the state? In a decent country, even a small one and not having such potential, these pirate figures, with all the city administration and SBU bandits, they’d be sitting on bunks and having received time limits, they were going to stone quarries for piracy and kidnapping. But will we have a disgrace and will they still broadcast to me that my state is protecting me? In the 90s, it was in my own skin when we were abandoned by crews in Africa without livelihoods or given into slavery without paying for years and without the opportunity to return home. There are still whole streets and areas from sailors, and the state didn’t care how it was to spit on the pirates of Somalia and now the Gulf of Guinea.

[Methane]

Quote: next322

The senseless game of brotherly people, the daily wiping of savory spits from this brotherly people, is becoming the corporate style of the Russian Foreign Ministry. Complete helplessness and confusion for ten days

Yes, with such a "policy" of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, soon Moldovans will start to spit on their heads. Wrap on. (This is me about the Ministry of Foreign Affairs)

[perm23]

no one to drown. Just for a while, for some ships, close the passage under the Bridge. and guard our ships. Nui carefully check the Ukrainian ships. Very long and very carefully they themselves write. their policies. that they’ll take action on the bridge. That's based on such information.

[Navy7981]

I don’t understand where our actions are clear and understandable?

[Berkut24]

For the time being, I would close the entrance and exit to all vessels in Ukrainian ports in the Sea of ​​Azov. Those. the fight against piracy, a zone of increased danger. And so as not to be heard in international courts, the Strait of Kerch was left open.

[kefan]

Maybe we still need to take some tough measures, or will we continue to chew snot?

[shuravi]

Quote: kefan

Maybe we still need to take some tough measures, or will we continue to chew snot?

The only effective measures are to return to our own borders, that is, 1945 of the year.

[Radical]

Quote: Heterocapsa

Well, they were there at the UN used to just plump in breaks in buffets and on phones at meetings, sit and dreamily be awestruck about the past, and then, as Ukraine began, they are constantly being urgently gathered for meetings, they are already howling from this Ukrainian insanity. .

[Metallurg_2]

This means that every Russian ship leaving the Crimean ports should have a marines squad. Try then delay.
But given that none of our management has eggs in their trousers, no one will give such an order ...

[Radical]

Quote: C0ba1tum

So they are the power version of the solution and beg for it. Casus Belli they need before the inauguration and the World Cup, the order and the headstock need to work out. The war will go on until the last Ukrainians.

So what???

[Antares]

I have a strange deja vu. Meaning write in title

Ukraine threatens to continue to detain Russian ships

??
Since the issuance of the decision to close the ports of Crimea-Ukraine, this is what has been done. And not only the Russian ships suffered. I recall that since 2014, ships have been arrested and have even been auctioned.
Moreover, Ukraine here works in international law, sending requests to all instances and ports in order to stop all cases. It maintains a database of violators, regularly initiating business and passing it on to its colleagues. Since the neighbors are sluggishly reacting to the Ukrainians, the Ukrainians themselves are doing everything possible to implement the ban.
But it is almost impossible to refute the legal background of the arrests. In any case, we go to the Ukrainian legislation, or to the UN Resolution, or to the 2003 treaty, or some other kind. The Russian Federation itself recognizes Crimea as Ukrainian. For there is no agreement that Ukraine will transfer to Russian jurisdiction, and there will not be any. There is only an agreement that borders Ukraine with Crimea. Unilateral statements are just a concussion.
The Russian Federation simply opened the Pandora's box and contemplates the consequences.
Look how cleverly the West got out for the last time. This is a matter only for Ukraine and Russia, understand the legal field. And then the carcasses are light. All offers are only power. But with power solutions, trouble. There are worse and worse.
Let’s turn the BW with AB into an arena of skirmishes, and still call neighbors? And what .. it will be cool.
We rake the consequences of 2014. And these are still flowers. Here, the Foreign Ministry should have worked for a good one. And he only knows how to deal with “mirrors”.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Antares

The Russian Federation simply opened the Pandora's box and contemplates the consequences.

Remember how many courts of the Russian Federation were detained by Ukraine? not at all ....
This ship was only called Russian, who and what there it was doing in neutral waters, and even a stranger entered the port under the pretext of a complete Arctic fox ....

[Victorio]

midu is now not up to the "nord" than the new Ukrainians took advantage of

[demo]

"It became known that the captain of the Russian fishing vessel" Nord "....."
Let's start with the fact that there is no such RUSSIAN fishing vessel in the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping (since 1992) (RMRS). http://fleetphoto.ru/list.php?rgid=2&sort=num
& st = 2000
There are many ships with the same name, but there is no Kerch with the home port.
In fact.
A fishing vessel emerges from the de facto Russian territorial waters, which raised the Russian flag on the mast and is engaged in fishing in the Sea of ​​Azov.
On board the ship crew consisting of Russians.
After verification, it turns out that the vessel is not registered in the special register of courts of the Russian Federation.
Where is it registered?
There is such an abbreviation IMO. There is a lot to learn from it.
But she also determines who is responsible for the ship.
Flag can be hung any. But if you are registered in the Navigation Registers of Ukraine, then there is nowhere to go.
Although there is where.
The owner must decommission the ship.
Invite specialists from the Russian Maritime Register of Shipping.
To dump money more, five times, than it costs this trough itself.
And live in peace.
And so all the actions of Ukrainians in the framework of legal procedures.
Dumb h.ohly smart Russian shoes.
And mind you. According to law.
So apart from regret, we can’t do anything.
Well, if the king-father will pay all the costs and re-register all the pelvis in our jurisdiction.

[XXXIII]

Quote: demo

Dumb h.ohly smart Russian shoes.
And mind you. According to law.

Come on, are they there who caught fish? It was clear that they didn’t go legally, they just got caught, but not ours. If we were caught, it wouldn’t have been sweet either; the fine in soldering would have been good. So it’s on their conscience, it’s different here, if they are a member of the Russian Federation, they are shining for this illegal catch, a fine plus confiscation of the fishing gear and expulsion. They sew them a betrayal and require a passport of Ukraine, nothing to sew them, other than pockets ....

[sgr291158]

It is not necessary to demand, but to introduce the Black Sea Fleet, then let them just try to twitch.

[Doctor13]

Quote: bulvas

It must be publicly stated that if the UN or some other organization does not condemn Ukraine for piracy, Russia will act on its own, as it should with pirates

Or do not set a condition - declare and act immediately

There is no need to set conditions. 2 dozen boats and machine guns on fishing vessels - fire without warning ++ close the entrance to the Sea of ​​Azov to ships coming from and to Ukropia - recognizing them as accomplices of terrorists...

[made13]

In fact, Russia has again shown its inability to take decisive action - no lawsuits in the courts, no ban on the passage of ships flying the Ukrainian flag or carrying goods from or to Ukraine through the Kerch Strait. So the sailors will be bent, and everything will go downhill.

[Cro-Magnon]

I believe that the Ministry of Defense is preparing a special operation to free our sailors.

[gukoyan]

“Meanwhile, the Ukrainian State Border Service stated that Ukraine will continue to detain Russian ships if they entered Crimea or are assigned to Crimean ports.”

Piracy is obvious, you can safely drown their tubs!

[koshmarik]

If we continue to defend the interests of Russians so sluggishly and indistinctly and respond to the pirate actions of Ukraine, then by the end of the year we will be left without a fishing fleet and fishermen (vessels will be confiscated, fishermen will be imprisoned or turned into ukrov), and then they will reach the Black Sea Fleet. Life shows that diplomacy with Ukraine and its owners does not work = only force.