We will not refuse Ukrainian transit. Revelation of Gazprom

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Gazprom reported that they see no reason for “anxiety” on the part of those who claim the “danger” of the disappearance of the Ukrainian transit. Alexey Miller, Chairman of the Board of the Russian gas giant, said that in fact the Ukrainian transit will also remain if the Turkish Stream and Nord Stream-2 gas pipelines are put into operation.

At the same time, Alexey Miller noted that the volume of transit of “blue fuel” through Ukraine could collapse in 9 times.



Interfax quotes the head of Gazprom:
We do not say that we completely block the transit through the territory of Ukraine. There are neighboring states, there are regions that are located on the border with Ukraine from Europe, and, no doubt, deliveries to these regions of Europe will be carried out in transit through the territory of Ukraine. Another thing is that these volumes will be, undoubtedly, less significant.


We will not refuse Ukrainian transit. Revelation of Gazprom


What volumes are we talking about? According to Alexey Miller, this is the maximum 15 billion cubic meters of gas per year.

Meanwhile, Gazprom reported a record increase in transit volumes through Ukraine in the 2017 year. It was noted that last year 93,5 billion cubic meters of “blue fuel” was pumped to Europe through the Ukrainian gas transport system.

Against this background, data appeared on the eve that Gazprom, in its domestic budget, is ready to reserve amounts for the possible payment of fines to Naftogaz by the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. It's about a huge amount of 4,74 billion dollars.
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  1. +9
    April 4 2018 15: 46
    Come on, Miller, are we doing this popcorn in vain?))) If only hopes that the Sumerians will throw the Nazis off themselves then maybe. But in fact I see such an inadequate transitory. It’s a completely sick country why it bothers with such hemorrhoids. Although everything is as always. Money decides.
    1. +1
      April 4 2018 15: 53
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      But in fact, nafig such an inadequate transitory. The patient is completely on the head of the country why such hemorrhoids are messing with them

      The fuss ends. Now only maintaining the instrument (Ukrainian GTS) in a minimally operable state, and not a single ruble more. If the money goes the wrong way, such a volume can really be bypassed; there are options.
      1. +14
        April 4 2018 15: 54
        I just want them to suffer. Long and painful. That's not a pity at all. Only pain, only hardcore.
        1. +2
          April 4 2018 16: 37
          So it will be ... Promise not to do ... They will also come around ... Just run the workarounds ... and see what happens to their pipe ...
        2. +10
          April 4 2018 17: 03
          Do you want something to suffer!? But this will not happen .. I’m not ironic, but just saying a fact. Many of us have been waiting and vanging for four years now. Now these short-sighted comrades have diminished .. Remember the words of the person for whom you are most likely voted .. "There are people too .." ©
          Quote: Heterocapsa
          I just want them to suffer. Long and painful. That's not a pity at all. Only pain, only hardcore.
          1. +2
            April 4 2018 17: 39
            I did not vote for him.)
          2. 0
            April 4 2018 17: 48
            Quote: 210ox
            But this will not happen .. I’m not ironic, but just saying a fact. Here, many of us have been waiting and wanging for four years now.

            What is your optimism based on? Yes, the "bashing" will happen not immediately, but the thread of the Nord Stream is a convenient and convincing lever in the "Gas (and not only) negotiations".
            Where will Ukraine get the survival from? Amount of gas at an affordable price, taking into account the reduced purchasing power of the population?
            PS: Via Germany or the USA, it’s either significantly expensive or extremely expensive or just not enough.
          3. +3
            April 4 2018 22: 23
            I completely support 210okv. The scum will go away, wash off ... people will stay, our people !!
    2. +9
      April 4 2018 16: 17
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      Come on, Miller, are we doing this popcorn in vain?))) If only hopes that the Sumerians will throw the Nazis off themselves then maybe. But in fact I see such an inadequate transitory. It’s a completely sick country why it bothers with such hemorrhoids. Although everything is as always. Money decides.

      What do you know about transit that write so unfounded? Miller simply touched the representatives of the country 4o4. And you already raise a cry saying that everything is gone ...
      Understand at least how much transit the Soviet gas transportation system makes profit and how much net loss. And everything will become clear to you.
      Now the volume is about 83-93 billion cubic meters per year and profit for transit up to $ 3 billion. Profitability from 50 billion cubes and higher. And how many partners are thrown to them for peace of mind? Do you have any brains? This is already good.
      1. +1
        April 4 2018 17: 06
        There are brains. A question !!! how Gazprom will deliver a peak uninterrupted gas supply through the north and south flows in the absence of underground storage facilities. What is available in Turkey and Europe for a long time and there are zero opportunities to connect to them. And without access to them, uninterrupted supply to the consumer, especially during peak loads, will not be. What are the consequences for Gazprom?
        1. +5
          April 4 2018 17: 59
          I advise you to get acquainted with SP-1 for 2011-15 year- http://www.gazprom.ru/about/production/projects/d
          eposits / germany /
          Why am I - the first joint venture was built under it; the infrastructure was built in Germany and the UGS joint with the Russian Federation. Their power is now excessive.
          They will build a JV-2, and this is a matter of two years - a complementary infrastructure will be made for it.
          I note - Germany has never stored its gas in the country 4o4. I note that the maximum capacity of underground gas storage facilities of GIE members is 90,7 billion cubic meters of active gas in Western Europe, and 21,7 billion in other EU member states.

          This is more than enough. Not enough will be built - but no one will trust Bandera. There are no fuckers.
          Do you really think that Turkey will store its gas in Banderstan ??? I think no. And TP-1 is nevertheless being built.
          Our business is to sell gas to the buyer and what he will do with it and where to store it is not our headache.
          1. +2
            April 4 2018 21: 39
            Quote: seti
            Why am I - the first joint venture was built under it; the infrastructure was built in Germany and the UGS joint with the Russian Federation. Their power is now excessive.

            depending on why, if yes SP 1 then yes. But there is a scope for different projects.
            One of the advantages of the Ukrainian gas transportation system is the presence of the third largest underground gas storage facility in the world. They fit more than 30 billion m3 of gas, and this is not a chapel: this figure can be increased by at least 5
            But today in Europe, storages are used not only to ensure uninterrupted supply, but also for storage and trade in gas. We are talking about the so-called gas hubs - exchanges that deal with the conclusion of agreements on the purchase, sale of natural gas, its storage in underground storage facilities, and supply through pipelines.

            There are several underground storage associations in the EU today. One of the oldest gas hubs, created in 1996, is located in the UK. The positive experience of the functioning of the hubs of this particular country laid the foundation for their use in Europe. Thanks to them, the European gas market is in competition. Any gas consumer can purchase fuel on any exchange, choosing the optimal price and transportation conditions for themselves. According to the European “gas” legislation (Second and Third energy packages), any supplier or consumer has access to pipeline transport. Thus, the monopolistic position of market players is negated, but for this to be the case, the proposal should cover demand. This is currently difficult in Europe. A lot of gas is imported from outside, including from Russia. Huge work is underway to diversify supplies and reduce gas consumption, but, nevertheless, hubs already play a positive role in storing additional volumes of European fuel.

            Their role increased after the 2008 crisis, when Qatari gas entered the market in very large volumes. Today, it enters the EU regularly, as the United States abandoned its consumption in connection with the shale revolution. Ukraine may propose the use of part of its western storage facilities for Europeans.
            So you need to consider that the UGS facility is not only for smoothing peak values, but reserves for trade, not necessarily Russian gas.
            In extreme cases (if you consider this), then Ukraine can trade in UGS facilities, playing the role of a hub. However, she needs to sign all those European bureaucratic papers (2 and 3 energy packages). But this is still a theory. In her support, Miller said about 16 billion, and according to various estimates, Ukraine can provide storage of European gas in underground storage facilities (UGS) in the amount of at least 15 billion m3
            There are still enough UGS facilities in the EU, including Ukrainian ones - everyone is doing their job.
      2. +1
        April 4 2018 17: 42
        Well, as a joke I generally wrote a comment, there are such here "))))" are if you noticed.
        I'm joking. Thank you for the calculations. But it would be nice to see the collapse of this pipe.
      3. +1
        April 5 2018 18: 18
        All is correct. Miller's words are not just trolling, they are hard trolling. 15 billion cubic meters meters of transit per year, this is the conservation of 90% of the Ukrainian gas transportation system, this is the dismissal of 90% of the workers, this is ... the finish.
    3. +2
      April 4 2018 20: 00
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      But in fact nafig such an inadequate transit.
      The fact of the matter is that nothing sets their brains so much as the realization that since the commissioning of Nord Stream-2 and South Stream, the UkrAI GTS, as a lever of political pressure on Russia, is losing its significance, and to stand out as a “fly glass "there is no longer any sense, since it will turn out to be more expensive.
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      if only hopes that the Sumerians will throw Nazis off themselves then maybe ........... A sick country completely on his head why hemorrhoids is messing with them. Although everything is as always. Money decides.
      Gazul has been running through urkain for 30 years, and the Natsiks have been jumping for 4 years. Some time will pass and Natsik will be driven under the keys, but the pipe will remain. And who says that the new transit agreement will be concluded precisely with the Urkain side? It cannot be ruled out that an agreement on transit through the territory of Urkaina will be concluded between Gazprom and the same Germany and under its own guarantees, where the role of an outside observer will be assigned to urkaine.
      1. +1
        April 4 2018 22: 02
        the Baltic states have already been fascist since the 90s, and how does Ukraine differ from them now? Yes, it’s not that different. This will be another country like Latvia-Estonia-Latvia ... all the same. And they won’t give a bend either by throwing a coin to support life. I have no illusions about the changes in this country for the coming decades.
    4. +1
      April 4 2018 21: 31
      Nobody was going to completely stop the transit, and Gazprom repeatedly talked about this, to Moldova it seemed like a transit agreement for more than 19 years. It was simply a stupid arbitration by a politicized decision that upset the balance.
  2. +2
    April 4 2018 15: 46
    Rumors of gossip! How will gas be supplied if the pipe needs to be repaired? Who will give money for this? Miller said, as I understand it, the following: the pipe will remain as a reserve and pumping will support its performance!
    Find out about the rumors about the payment!
    1. +5
      April 4 2018 15: 59
      Quote: K.A.S.
      Rumors of gossip! How will gas be supplied if the pipe needs to be repaired? Who will give money for this? Miller said, as I understand it, the following: the pipe will remain as a reserve and pumping will support its performance!
      Find out about the rumors about the payment!


      to promise doesn’t mean to marry ... perhaps we reassure partners in sekas ... laughing
      Quote: Heterocapsa
      I just want them to suffer. Long and painful. That's not a pity at all. Only pain, only hardcore.
      1. +2
        April 4 2018 16: 10
        Quote: vorobey
        perhaps reassure partners sekasu.

        Bird, if you tell your employee that his salary will be 9 times lower, this is your kind of reassurance wassat
        There were revenues from the transit of 2 lard greens, and will become 200 lyamov. It’s not so calming. It’s not money, but you hold on.
        1. +2
          April 4 2018 19: 13
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Bird


          Oh hi raider .. good to see .. laughing you see, I’m on a military post .. heals for a long time, now I have more than enough time to talk .. drinks drinks
          1. 0
            April 5 2018 11: 20
            Quote: vorobey
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Bird
            Oh hi raider .. good to see ..

            For both Sankam - respect .....
            hi
            You are like flying birds ...
            lol
  3. 0
    April 4 2018 15: 49
    Grandmas do everything, let them pay money as they say, but the fact that they wipe their feet with mine am
  4. +12
    April 4 2018 15: 49
    This is how I see Miller, I immediately remember Slepakov’s song!
    “This is Our common gas - and Dreams come true - Only at your place” belay
    1. 0
      April 5 2018 17: 53
      Quote: Hunter 2
      “This is Our common gas - and Dreams come true - Only at your place”

      Why don’t you work there?
  5. +6
    April 4 2018 15: 51
    The bureaucrats from Gazprom Ukrainian hole is very profitable.
  6. +2
    April 4 2018 15: 55
    Against this background, on the eve of data appeared that Gazprom in its internal budget to reserve amounts for the possible payment of fines to Naftogaz
    Yeah, they told the press service at a briefing. laughing Yes, and how can you "reserve" 5 lard? The author is clearly not in himself. However, the whole article with a "sweetheart" PS: everything expressed relates to the original source from which the article was "redrawn"
    1. +7
      April 4 2018 17: 00
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Yeah, they told the press service at a briefing. laughing Yes, and how can you "reserve" 5 lard? The author is clearly not in himself. However, the whole article with a "sweetheart" PS: everything expressed relates to the original source from which the article was "redrawn"

      http://www.gazprom.ru/f/posts/57/287721/gazprom-a
      counting-report-2017.pdf
      PJSC Gazprom annual report to help you. Page 61, column "Fines, penalties, forfeits for violation of the terms of contracts." The liability is 272 rubles, which approximately corresponds to $ 943 billion, which corresponds to the amount in the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. Smoke materiel.
      1. 0
        April 4 2018 17: 56
        much you dug.
        1. +1
          April 5 2018 09: 53
          I keep savings in stocks, so sometimes I have to look at the annual and quarterly reports of some of our companies.
          The comrade above expressed doubt about Gazprom’s reservation of funds for Naftogaz, and since the report of this company was released less than a week ago, I decided to clarify this issue more specifically. Including for yourself. Well, he pointed out to the distinguished comrade his mistake at the same time.
      2. 0
        April 4 2018 18: 58
        Quote: forty-eighth
        PJSC Gazprom annual report to help you. Page 61, column "Fines, penalties, forfeits for violation of the terms of contracts." The liability is 272 rubles, which approximately corresponds to $ 943 billion, which corresponds to the amount in the decision of the Stockholm arbitration. Smoke materiel.

        This is not a reservation of funds for payment to Naftogaz, but a reflection in the Balance. The rules are as follows.
        By the way. Restoring a reserve for doubtful debts "is eerily similar to the decision of the same arbitration.
        Touches that Gazprom constantly reserves doubtful debts in relation to Naftogaz
    2. 0
      April 5 2018 10: 20
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Yeah, they told the press service at a briefing. And how can you "reserve" 5 lards?

      This info was recently on all resources. Adapted from the official annual financial statements of Gazprom. By the way, from these reports it follows that Gazprom's profit for 2017 has fallen to an 15-year low.
      Read anything other than VO and you will be happy wassat
      1. +1
        April 5 2018 10: 41
        The accounting report and the actual reservation of funds for payments are a little different. The accountant must reflect all claims for payments in the balance sheet. If, for example, I would bother a lot because of all sorts of prudent lawsuits and decisions on them before the appeal, I would have closed long ago or been treated by psychiatrists. But all of them are regularly reflected in my accounts in reports. But when I see that I’ll have to pay (well, or the business is initially losing), then yes, I have to accumulate certain amounts in the accounts and redraw the costs, but this is another story and only indirectly relates to accounting reports.
        Read anything other than VO and you will be happy
        I read what I consider interesting or what is necessary. The level of happiness is at an acceptable level.
  7. +3
    April 4 2018 16: 07
    Pump 15 instead of 120. This is a noose. And you can’t refuse, how to live on, because you need grandmas to reverse, and where to get it, you can’t see transit in the same volume. And to maintain the operability of the pipe and the whole economy for which shisha? In this case, we would be glad that Russia AT ALL would cease transit. It would be possible to raise the scandal, and to attend to the reverse closely. If you want, you don’t want, you could do something. But with such volumes, it’s like a choking room, but not to death, but with interruptions to continue torment.
  8. +2
    April 4 2018 16: 07
    this is called "mutually beneficial cooperation" business
  9. Hiw
    +7
    April 4 2018 16: 12
    I don’t understand what this miller is telling us - his news is fucking telling us, the money from the sale of gas is mainly deposited at Gazprom and transferred to offshore, about 30-35% of the profit from the sale of which is successfully stolen by officials of various stripes goes to the state treasury. In my village, gas was never expected and this thief shares his news with us, even in America from the sale of resources the budget receives from 65 to 70% of the profit, in Norway about 85%, only our bastards do not see the edges and in the news is presented as a national treasure
    1. +5
      April 4 2018 16: 18
      in my village there is gas but loose, with reduced calories. Like, so with Europe.
      And for those who buy gas in gas cylinders at gas stations, it seems normal.
  10. +2
    April 4 2018 16: 20
    Quote: K.A.S.
    How will gas be supplied if the pipe needs to be repaired? Who will give money for this?

    Gazprom will give! He will transfer money to Ukraine, that the Stockholm arbitration court awarded, not his own money, but state money - GAZPROM NATIONAL DIGNITY. We will again sponsor nationalists in Kiev.
    But what about the old allegations of the severance of ALL contracts with Ukraine, did we rejoice early? hi
  11. +1
    April 4 2018 16: 24
    In the event that the Turkish Stream and Nord Stream -2 gas pipelines are put into operation.

    Well, with Turkey, it seems like everyone settled on the near future and gave them buns: Afrin, a gas hub, nuclear power plants, S-400, rehabilitation of tomatoes and the return of tourists, then somehow with the "Nord Stream -2" they got all the permissions?
    1. LMN
      +3
      April 4 2018 16: 38
      Quote: bypassed
      In the event that the Turkish Stream and Nord Stream -2 gas pipelines are put into operation.

      Well, with Turkey, it seems like everyone settled on the near future and gave them buns: Afrin, a gas hub, nuclear power plants, S-400, rehabilitation of tomatoes and the return of tourists, then somehow with the "Nord Stream -2" they got all the permissions?

      From the FRG side everything is already there.
      There seems to be something from Denmark, something (go and freeze money laughing )
      In any case, as the organizers of SP-2 said, with or without Denmark, the pipeline should be good
    2. 0
      April 4 2018 18: 48
      All permissions are given. Green light.
  12. +2
    April 4 2018 16: 40
    Nothing personal, just business! laughing As I wrote, if it smells of dough, Gazprom does not notice enemies.
  13. 0
    April 4 2018 17: 11
    Bandera power in Ukraine is not eternal .. And the pipe will still be useful to us, they will drive gas through it at a minimum to maintain the system’s operability.
    1. +4
      April 4 2018 20: 09
      So you were the first to yell in the vast VO that Khokhlam kirdyk will be and now turn on the back.
      1. 0
        April 4 2018 20: 21
        Quote: private person
        So you were the first to yell in the vast VO that Khokhlam kirdyk will be and now turn on the back.

        Well, there was work, and now I don’t refuse my words ... I just hoped that there would be a “quick kirdyk”, and they decided to stretch it for a while. Now, it’s certain that they will get into what they got into Freebies will NEVER! No matter how they swore to us in the future in their loyalty and brotherhood ..
        1. +2
          April 4 2018 20: 45
          Freebies will never be NEVER!
          Again, high-profile statements, but in the meantime Gazprom was preparing to pay and the money had already prepared yesterday infa. flashed Is this not a freebie for Ukrainians?
          1. +4
            April 4 2018 20: 52
            Quote: private person
            Gazprom, meanwhile, was prepared to pay and money had already been prepared.

            Reserving money is far from being "willing to pay."
            1. 0
              April 4 2018 21: 24
              Reserve money to pay for your gas? Otherwise, why prepare the amount equivalent to the fine imposed and report it. There is no smoke without fire.
              1. +4
                April 4 2018 21: 42
                Quote: private person
                Otherwise, why prepare the amount equivalent to the fine imposed and report it

                To show that this amount is (here it is!) And does not affect the financial position of the company.
                For example Yes
                Moreover, the fact that she will be paid, and even ukraine - my grandmother wagged the water in two in two, yeah.
              2. +1
                April 5 2018 17: 59
                Quote: private person
                Smoke without fire does not happen.

                Through the media, we see only the edge of the iceberg. But all the most important in depth. Here we may not even guess about the motivations of Gazprom’s “vibrations”. For each of his movements there is a reason and calculated consequences. There the guys are no worse than all of us ... But more knowledgeable.
            2. 0
              April 5 2018 08: 44
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: private person
              Gazprom, meanwhile, was prepared to pay and money had already been prepared.

              Reserving money is far from being "willing to pay."

              Golovan, in the case of the current liberal-capitalist government in Russia it is precisely the willingness to pay. laughing
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    2. +3
      April 5 2018 08: 42
      Bandera power in Ukraine is not eternal .. And the pipe will still be useful to us, they will drive gas through it at a minimum to maintain the system’s operability

      Ahha and we will pay money for gas transit Urkaine laughing Dogged Gazprom West. Now, for the sake of SP-2, Russia will support Poroshenko’s regime afloat !.
  14. +1
    April 4 2018 17: 12
    Mr. Miller, you finally decide on your own “refuse” or “DO NOT refuse”. And then you have one thing in the morning, and another in the evening! And Ukrainians, in any case, they will spoil, at least we will refuse, at least we will increase gas transit! For them, Muscovites are always to blame!
  15. +2
    April 4 2018 17: 30
    ECONOMY 20:07, April 2, 2018
    Gazprom reserved $ 4,7 billion for a fine under a transit contract with Naftogaz Inter Fax. What are you talking about here?
  16. +2
    April 4 2018 17: 37
    stop the transit there is absolutely nothing to feed This Russophobian Country !!!!!!!!, only when they lose significant revenue to their budget ONLY Then they will become accommodating and stop the Donbass nightmare. They still dare to sue the gas industry. GAZPROM STOP FEEDING These diggers of the Black Sea Let them think with their head and work with their hands.
  17. BAI
    0
    April 4 2018 17: 49
    It has long been explained that the entire contracted volume of gas will not fit into new pipelines. All the same, it’s necessary to let part through Ukraine. In particular, to Bulgaria.
  18. +1
    April 4 2018 18: 44
    We do not say that we completely block the transit through the territory of Ukraine. There are neighboring states, there are regions that are located on the border with Ukraine from Europe, and, no doubt, deliveries to these regions of Europe will be carried out in transit through the territory of Ukraine. Another thing is that these volumes will be, undoubtedly, less significant.
    Simply put, how Ukrainians were fed and we will feed them, and we will compensate for the profit from our domestic consumer. Patriots ay where did you tear up the experience after 2019, Khokhlam Kirdyk and then there is a thick bolt from under the bed.
  19. +1
    April 4 2018 19: 37
    Most likely, the Sumerians at the conclusion of the next transit agreement will set such conditions that downloading will simply not be profitable. The transit will disappear by itself.
  20. +1
    April 4 2018 20: 03
    I have such a scent that there will not be enough payment for the transit of these 15 billion cubic meters of gas, and that would simply be to "buy paint" on the whole pipe .. well, what if I paint it in a yellow-black block color ... These are bitter tears. I’m not even talking about the full content of the gas pipeline ....
  21. +5
    April 4 2018 20: 06
    Elections have passed - the gas has gone. predictably winked
    1. 0
      April 5 2018 11: 15
      Unfortunately, yes, now everything will return to square one.
  22. 0
    April 5 2018 09: 34
    If gas transit was connected with the supply of water through the North Crimean canal, it would be very cool. It turns out that Ukraine can block the water in the canal, which was built under Khrushchev, and Russia cannot block the gas in the pipeline, built under Brezhnev.
  23. 0
    April 5 2018 11: 13
    Is it that Gazprom’s leadership includes the back?
    Ehhh, and how they sang ...

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