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Another fire in the mall. Victims again

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It became known about one killed in the fire in the shopping center "Perseus for Children" in the Russian capital.

A fire occurred on Malaya Semenovskaya, 28. The nearby streets to the mall overlapped.

At the moment the fire is extinguished.

Another fire in the mall. Victims again


It is reported that the victim, who had evacuated from the burning building, still died. Death occurred in an ambulance car, according to some reports, as a result of carbon monoxide poisoning.

Various services continue to work on site. In the near future, traffic in the surrounding streets will be restored.

Ilya Denisov, the head of the Moscow Emergencies Ministry's Moscow city emergency department, said that three firefighters were injured while putting out a fire in a Moscow shopping and entertainment center. A total of 20 people were saved from the fire. 600 people are evacuated from the building in a timely manner.

According to preliminary data, the fire center was located on the 4-m floor of the shopping and entertainment complex.
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  1. Methane
    Methane April 4 2018 14: 50
    +41
    Something is somehow suspiciously a lot of fires. Something is wrong here ....
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich April 4 2018 14: 55
      +15
      This is all specially done to discredit the authorities. In general, it is better not to go to shopping centers with children.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT April 4 2018 14: 58
        +49
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        This is all specially done to discredit the authorities.

        She had already discredited herself without this for a long time!
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 4 2018 15: 02
          +35
          yours mine is not here yet.
        2. Kostyar
          Kostyar April 4 2018 15: 06
          +15
          It seems to me that it’s not enough without overseas suckers ....
          All these fires take the appearance of a system, which is a fire, according to the account in Russia ...?!
          Close all this shit all over the country and until all the shopping centers pass a second check by firefighters and the Ministry of Emergencies with a personal report of the heads of departments of the Ministry of Emergencies of the regions to the “main” Ministry of Emergencies. What the hell ???
          I support Vos, completely and completely !!!
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A April 4 2018 15: 51
            +18
            Quote: Bone
            It seems to me that it’s not enough without overseas suckers ....
            All these fires take the appearance of a system, which is a fire, according to the account in Russia ...?!
            Close all this shit all over the country and until all the shopping centers pass a second check by firefighters and the Ministry of Emergencies with a personal report of the heads of departments of the Ministry of Emergencies of the regions to the “main” Ministry of Emergencies. What the hell ???
            I support Vos, completely and completely !!!

            At one time, nursing homes suspiciously often burned. Why now - close the nursing homes? Just hucksters need to be tapped on the neck so that they can’t save on everything that is possible. And on safety - first of all. Why should they have little money without saving on security? Are the profits low? But they did not try to work, and not talk about the growth of trade profitability? At my construction site at one of the facilities, even in the “zero” trailer from the “goat” it didn’t even burn out, but only caught fire - they put it out. So I put water “autonomy” on all objects. Not about firefighters I thought - with them the issue of cash or building materials was always quickly resolved. About the peasants who lived in those trailers. Why don't these hucksters think about people?
            1. Beby
              Beby April 4 2018 20: 16
              +4
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Why don't these hucksters think about people?

              And we are not people at all for them, most of them perceive the population as rabbits: well, rabbits died on the farm ... of course, it’s a pity (because of losses), but, in general, it’s not really scary - the new ones will breed.

              Yes, disgusting and cynical. However, this approach more or less well conveys the attitude of elites to the rest of the population of the Russian Federation.
            2. Galleon
              Galleon April 4 2018 20: 27
              +8
              The other day I was given a command: to tear 100m of 10-year-old utilities (computer cable) from one place in the building to another. The cable in the shaded bundle is the same in the corrugation, under the 8-meter ceiling. I answer: it’s unrealistic - people will be tormented, but there will be no sense, but it breaks easily. It costs 40 rubles / meter - let's buy a new one, "Leave your Wishlist with you and go do it, it's as much as 4 thousand." They pulled 3 times, 3 times tore. Let's go find somewhere in the tray back-up, cut and put. Effective management!
              1. sharp-lad
                sharp-lad April 4 2018 21: 32
                +1
                I agree that in Latvia we have managers like dirt, but managers and managers are hard to find!
            3. Andrey Barinov
              Andrey Barinov April 5 2018 05: 47
              +2
              You put the WATER "CAR LOTTER" HEATING in the "trailer" ... What kind of wonder is this? Tell me .....
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A April 5 2018 11: 17
                +2
                Quote: Andrey Barinov
                You put the WATER "CAR LOTTER" HEATING in the "trailer" ... What kind of wonder is this? Tell me .....

                The register from the pipe is slightly larger than the “hundredth” (114,127, ...) with a water heater and thermal relay. Now these are sold, and then at any construction site any qualified welder, using a good locksmith, brewed one. per day. Plus, electricians insert a heater and relay - and voila! Use it. The workers even warmed up the food for them, with a thermal relay they fry well and are absolutely safe. Only water needs to be added from time to time. Here the system is open - even if it boils - nothing will explode. Maximum - the heater will burn. And then, if the relay does not work. Well, so that the electrician in the trailer was normal. I called it “autonomous” because I often made a temporary insert into the existing heating network - here it’s not quite “autonomous” heating.
                As you can see, the system is simple, efficient and safe.
        3. edmed
          edmed April 4 2018 15: 22
          +8
          She had already discredited herself without this for a long time! Unfortunately, yes. Everyone fusses pushing each other open the gates, the gate in front of a burro loaded with gold.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit April 4 2018 15: 45
            +12
            Quote: edmed
            She had already discredited herself without this for a long time!

            Well, are you dissatisfied with ours, name the country where, in your opinion, ideal power? Perhaps you know the methods of "treatment"?
            1. vlad66
              vlad66 April 4 2018 16: 08
              +9
              Quote: Orionvit
              Perhaps you know the methods of "treatment"?

              Of course, he knows how in Ukraine, everything was on the Maidan or back in the 90s, he just forgot or didn’t know that in the same 90s, nursing homes were also located all over the country and also with people, hucksters needed land, and it blazed and generally climbed after the elections one after another, suggesting bad thoughts that all this was being done on purpose.
            2. edmed
              edmed April 4 2018 16: 34
              +4
              I do not know the methods and treatment, not a specialist sad , but if your car doesn’t drive or the TV shows "snow", then there are "specialists" who indicate that everything is working correctly, only the consumer does not correctly perceive reality. wink
              1. Dreamboat
                Dreamboat April 4 2018 16: 59
                +5
                Quote: edmed
                I do not know the methods and treatment, not a specialist sad , but if your car doesn’t drive or the TV shows "snow", then there are "specialists" who indicate that everything is working correctly, only the consumer does not correctly perceive reality. wink

                And you can see how the car does not go, so immediately the power is to blame and personally the CAM. But what do you need to fill in gasoline or is there oil changing ... no, haven't you heard?
                1. edmed
                  edmed April 4 2018 18: 05
                  +2
                  Dreamboat (Dreamboat) Today, 16:59 ↑
                  Quote: edmed
                  I don’t know the methods and treatment, not a specialist :( but if your car doesn’t drive or the TV shows “snow”, there are “specialists” who indicate that everything is working correctly, only the consumer does not perceive reality correctly. wink
                  And you can see how the car does not go, so immediately the power is to blame and personally the CAM. But what do you need to fill in gasoline or is there oil changing ... no, haven't you heard? I didn’t hear it, but in the executive branch, add a little gasoline to drive fast, and to the legislature, an oilman, to solve it sooner. you’re special, I’ll solve all my problems myself, because I realized long ago that citizens are for the state and not the state for citizens.
            3. Galleon
              Galleon April 5 2018 13: 52
              +1
              in the Scandinavian countries live quietly, just migrants and blue. Everyone has flaws - but flaws, not bestiality of those in power.
        4. Dead duck
          Dead duck April 4 2018 15: 28
          +14
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          She had already discredited herself without this for a long time!

          In the 30's they began to fight against sabotage and sabotage ...
          in the end, Stalin is bad.
          1. Lavrenti Pavlovich
            Lavrenti Pavlovich April 4 2018 17: 30
            +5
            Quote: Deadush
            Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
            She had already discredited herself without this for a long time!

            In the 30's they began to fight against sabotage and sabotage ...
            in the end, Stalin is bad.

            And for whom is Stalin bad? - For current thieves, corrupt officials and corrupt liberals and democrats. For ordinary people, Stalin was the FATHER, and for traitors and crooks - an evil mother-in-law. For the safety of the shopping center, uniform safety rules are needed, the control should be from different departments, that is, the commission should consist of the Ministry of Emergencies, the prosecutor's office, Rostekhnadzor ... that it would be cheaper to fulfill the security requirements than to give a bribe. And members of the commission must answer with their own head for their signature in the document, even if they subsequently quit.
            1. Dead duck
              Dead duck April 4 2018 18: 42
              +4
              Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
              And for whom is Stalin bad?

              the banner of the matter for whom - the enemies of the people and the liberals ...
              they always have bad ... did - bad, did not - also bad.
              reasons will always be found.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus April 4 2018 15: 28
        0
        and do not go to the toilets either?
        play and write on the street for children?
      3. Weyland
        Weyland April 4 2018 20: 43
        0
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        This is all specially done to discredit the authorities.

        And by whom, if not a secret? Trotskyist-Bukharin-Rykov spies, pests and saboteurs?
    2. edmed
      edmed April 4 2018 15: 00
      +3
      "Not when it happened, and again happened" quote from memory. A systemic crisis or a jamb of special services, in the fall there was a shaft of calls about mining of social and cultural life?
    3. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. April 4 2018 15: 01
      +6
      Today in Saratov there was a fire in the shopping center. Matches?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 4 2018 15: 09
        +19
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Matches?

        In my opinion, simply increased attention to the mall and fires. Two weeks ago, this news would simply not have been noticed.
        1. Dreamboat
          Dreamboat April 4 2018 17: 04
          +5
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: B.T.W.
          Matches?

          In my opinion, simply increased attention to the mall and fires. Two weeks ago, this news would simply not have been noticed.

          I have been working in retail chains for 10 years: shopping centers burn regularly, though more often without casualties. It’s just that now they’re savoring and fanning any case, “look, there you go! And that almost all the shopping centers from the former workshops are somehow no one wants to think.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother April 4 2018 15: 17
        +7
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Today in Saratov there was a fire in the shopping center. Matches?

        And in the morning someone set fire to us in the trash. I do not think this is a coincidence.
        1. Galleon
          Galleon April 4 2018 20: 30
          +1
          And in our shopping center today in the Burgerking kitchen, the sensors triggered due to smoke. All were evacuated in 5 minutes. Trained, edrent!
      3. XXXIII
        XXXIII April 4 2018 15: 19
        +4
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Today in Saratov there was a fire in the shopping center. Matches?

        someone is rocking the boat .... yes
      4. Alber
        Alber April 4 2018 15: 22
        +2
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Today in Saratov there was a fire in the shopping center. Matches?

        !!! ??? What the hell?
        I recall how a dozen or two ago fires broke out in the military depots across the country.
        It seems not casual
      5. Alex 2016
        Alex 2016 April 4 2018 15: 49
        +1
        And yesterday we went to the cable ignition at the enterprise, probably the government is also to blame.
    4. Trevis
      Trevis April 4 2018 15: 02
      +2
      In total, 20 people were saved from the fire. 600 people were evacuated from the building in a timely manner.

      It is reported that the victim, who managed to be evacuated from the burning building, nevertheless died.

      Well it still worked out well. I do not believe in coincidence!
    5. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU April 4 2018 15: 02
      +5
      Quote: Methane
      Something is somehow suspiciously a lot of fires. Something is wrong here ....

      Americans and Britons, you see, liked the hysteria on the network after Kemerevo, and as a result, people went to the streets to real. Still, it’s not every day that you see in Russia a kneeling deputy gag, which is justified by rumors of 300-victims. Prior to that, only the governor of the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine was put on his knees immediately after the victory of the Maidan, then the Golden Eagle, etc. Well, at least the fire brigade in Kemerovo was not put on its knees.
      Find Ukraine while it is still easy to find:

      1. Alber
        Alber April 4 2018 15: 19
        +3
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Quote: Methane
        Something is somehow suspiciously a lot of fires. Something is wrong here ....

        Americans and Britons, you see, liked the hysteria on the network after Kemerevo, and as a result, people went to the streets to real. Still, it’s not every day that you see in Russia a kneeling deputy gag, which is justified by rumors of 300-victims. Prior to that, only the governor of the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine was put on his knees immediately after the victory of the Maidan, then the Golden Eagle, etc. Well, at least the fire brigade in Kemerovo was not put on its knees.
        Find Ukraine while it is still easy to find:


        M-yes!
        The future governor is on his knees ...
        "A good start
        1. AleBors
          AleBors April 4 2018 15: 24
          0
          Well, what? ... But with power and money ...
        2. seal78
          seal78 April 5 2018 18: 36
          0
          Not the fact that he will be the governor. He is so far acting.
    6. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 4 2018 15: 02
      +6
      Quote: Methane
      Something is somehow suspiciously a lot of fires. Something is wrong here ....

      Yes, there are fires everywhere. Last week, 13 people suffered from a fire in Ashdod.
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane April 4 2018 15: 20
        +2
        Yes, but unlike you, we have moved into the category of statistics ..... at the same time with people. the victims .....
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth April 4 2018 15: 54
          +1
          Have you seen fire and casualty statistics?
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane April 4 2018 19: 16
            +3
            Fires:

            Victims:

            I think the difference is felt
            1. Galleon
              Galleon April 4 2018 20: 33
              +2
              Anyway, I would not want to be a German. Boring for a Russian, you know ...
      2. XXXIII
        XXXIII April 4 2018 15: 20
        +2
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Methane
        Something is somehow suspiciously a lot of fires. Something is wrong here ....

        Yes, there are fires everywhere. Last week, 13 people suffered from a fire in Ashdod.

        you, too, someone is rocking the boat ..... belay
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi April 4 2018 15: 53
          +2
          Quote: XXXIII

          you, too, someone is rocking the boat ..... belay

          Ordinary fires.
      3. seal78
        seal78 April 5 2018 18: 37
        0
        Ashdod is a beautiful city. Was there.
    7. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 4 2018 15: 11
      +3
      Quote: Methane
      Something is somehow suspiciously a lot of fires. Something is wrong here ....

      100% wrong. Only not “something” unknown, but specifically the fire safety system. Well and accordingly control over it.
    8. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 4 2018 15: 14
      +8
      Quote: Methane
      Something is somehow suspiciously a lot of fires. Something is wrong here ....

      It was not a lot of fires, but they began to pay special attention. After any incident, the inertia media have put forward similar incidents in the first place for some time.
      1. Andrey Barinov
        Andrey Barinov April 5 2018 06: 10
        +1
        It’s necessary to build new ones, and not sculpt shopping centers in the walls of ruined factories.
    9. Alber
      Alber April 4 2018 15: 16
      +1
      Quote: Methane
      Something is somehow suspiciously a lot of fires. Something is wrong here ....

      Long terms and executions can solve issues of neglect of their duties, sabotage, and possibly sabotage ...
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat April 4 2018 15: 46
        +4
        Quote: Alber

        Long terms and executions can solve issues of neglect of their duties, sabotage, and possibly sabotage ...


        Most of the country's population will either have to be shot, or for a long time ....
        Forest fires, connecting gas stoves on their own, drunk while driving, maybe at work, running across the road in the wrong place, not fastened seat belts, buoys in airplanes, passing railway crossings, etc., etc. .....
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad April 4 2018 21: 40
          0
          Or maybe for the first time, provided that without injuries, only a reprimand with the removal of part of the income? Grandfather once told me: Do you want to punish someone? Hit your pocket, don’t miss!
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 4 2018 15: 49
        +1
        Neglect is one thing. But sabotage and sabotage, this is another article, under the highest measure you can please.
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat April 4 2018 15: 52
          +3
          Quote: Orionvit
          Neglect is one thing. But sabotage and sabotage, this is another article, under the highest measure you can please.

          The worst thing in this story is that if this is not sabotage, then the terrorists will definitely take note of this method, looking at the reaction even on this site ...
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit April 4 2018 16: 02
            +2
            On this site, the reaction is still moderate, compared to the liberal Internet dumps. As for the terrorists, all these "methods", such as arson, explosions, mass poisoning and other crap in crowded places, are, in my opinion, initially spelled out in all of their manuals.
      3. Galleon
        Galleon April 4 2018 20: 36
        0
        The idea of ​​a new dictator has been ripening in me for a long time: to announce the gathering of volunteers in firing squads and special courts. To collect all in one place - and it is precisely them to be shot.
        1. Andrey Barinov
          Andrey Barinov April 5 2018 06: 13
          +1
          I know how to shoot .... To shoot, by order, without problems ......
        2. kvarfax
          kvarfax April 9 2018 00: 39
          0
          Quote: Galleon
          The idea of ​​a new dictator has been ripening in me for a long time: to announce the gathering of volunteers in firing squads and special courts. To collect all in one place - and it is precisely them to be shot.

          and how "special people" will crawl into "special courts" and go to be shot by those who are objectionable ... let's say to squeeze out the business, or remove the husband of the girl’s beautiful girl, or who crossed the road. Can you imagine what kind of power this person will have? It’s not a matter of concocting for a long time, but after the execution, go and find out who is there and what. Yes and no need, there is such a fear these people will catch on, that your "courts" and "teams" will instantly become the richest people in the country. How will you keep them from the temptation to rob and rape? Fear of death? Do not tell - hand-to-hand washes. They have weapons, they can turn them against you if anything ... And to check everyone for a long time, and even tricky individuals will make their way together. Remember the bloody years of our history, already passed. Our Russian brother is not so much, and you want to reduce the population yet.
          By the way, while the Anglo-Saxons will start here, the Anglo-Saxons will introduce “help” with the joy of “peacekeepers”. The truth will be forgotten, as usual, well, or withdrawn, but after being overlaid with loans = tribute ...
    10. Vend
      Vend April 4 2018 15: 31
      +2
      Quote: Methane
      Something is somehow suspiciously a lot of fires. Something is wrong here ....

      Yes, it already looks like a diversion.
    11. senima56
      senima56 April 4 2018 17: 16
      0
      That's it ... Again, a "short circuit" ?!
    12. seal78
      seal78 April 5 2018 10: 31
      0
      Naturally. And you thought Putin just flew to us in Kemerovo? I have little doubt that it was a terrorist act disguised as an accident.
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 4 2018 14: 50
    +3
    The deceased land rest in peace, and condolences to the family! Let our "competent" authorities deal with the rest.
    1. MIG00001
      MIG00001 April 4 2018 16: 16
      0
      An acquaintance at work said that his grandson was accused of stabbing, he had to give the authorities (the police) a paw so that they could carry out their work since his grandson had absolutely nothing to do with it. that is, they allegedly found a witness, the case was solved and then they were not going to do anything.
  3. saveall
    saveall April 4 2018 14: 52
    +5
    This already looks like some sort of sabotage ... Interestingly, over the network, how can one act on power devices and units and cause a short circuit, for example?
    1. dauria
      dauria April 4 2018 15: 08
      +10
      Interestingly, the network can somehow act on power devices


      The network affects the brain. And then an avalanche of jumping from the rooftops, shooting at schools, “hooks”, a selfie on the top and so on. Including arson. You don’t need agents and other espionage things. Just start a wave among ordinary people, and there will always be patients on the head.
      1. saveall
        saveall April 4 2018 15: 34
        +2
        Quote: dauria
        Interestingly, the network can somehow act on power devices


        The network affects the brain. And then an avalanche of jumping from the rooftops, shooting at schools, “hooks”, a selfie on the top and so on. Including arson. You don’t need agents and other espionage things. Just start a wave among ordinary people, and there will always be patients on the head.

        This is what you tell Iran ... When 1368 of the 5000 working uranium enrichment centrifuges IR-1 suddenly broke down at their uranium enrichment plant in Natanz. Centrifuges are still not an iron ... There, the level of security just surpasses.
    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 4 2018 15: 18
      +6
      Quote: saveall
      This already looks like some sort of sabotage ...

      And in Russia, about 25 thousand people die in road accidents annually. Definitely, these are American saboteurs and NGOs.
    3. Cetron
      Cetron April 4 2018 21: 33
      0
      There should not be a fire from a short circuit, protection should work, even in low-voltage networks, at least in high-voltage ones. I have been working as an electrician engineer for 30 years, never a cable caught fire in case of damage - the protection worked, we are looking for damage by the laboratory. It can catch fire from overload if equipment is not used that is appropriate and the protection is rugged. (Cable cross-section is less than the specified load)
      1. saveall
        saveall April 5 2018 08: 38
        +1
        But what if a sharp and short-term power surge? Will the protection save you? The witness himself, how at such jumps just working electrical appliances flashed in apartments.
        1. Cetron
          Cetron April 5 2018 09: 49
          0
          Unfortunately you are right, but this means that the protection at the substation against overvoltage (arresters) is not correctly configured, the deviation should be +5 - -10% of the nominal value, as we were taught according to the rules of technical operation. These are the new "effective managers" who are trying to save on "trifles", forgetting that their life depends on trifles, the main thing is PROFIT for them.
    4. seal78
      seal78 April 5 2018 10: 38
      0
      On the power grid - easily. Knowing that there (in the "Winter Cherry") the mains operates at the maximum load (and this was no secret to anyone), at the time of peak load (Sunday day, all possible electrical equipment work at full), connect the additional load - and you're done . And before that, you give someone on your paw who needs to turn off (do not turn on) the fire extinguishing and warning systems at the right time, so that the evacuation exits are closed and get the maximum victims. Instantly organize a maidan in front of the administration building (of course, without preliminary preparation this is unrealistic) and away we go.
  4. Azazelo
    Azazelo April 4 2018 14: 52
    +6
    Close all this shit all over the country and until all the shopping centers pass a second check by firefighters and the Ministry of Emergencies with a personal report of the heads of departments of the Ministry of Emergencies of the regions to the “main” Ministry of Emergencies. What the hell ???
  5. Pacifist
    Pacifist April 4 2018 14: 55
    +4
    Fire again, toys again, shopping center again ... what
    I am not inclined to conspiracy theory ... but there is something strange here.
    They worked, apparently normal.
    Relatives of the deceased are my condolences. The rest of a speedy recovery.
  6. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 4 2018 14: 55
    0
    there they had a warehouse on the 4th floor. This employee tried to extinguish the trip alone.
  7. Vard
    Vard April 4 2018 14: 56
    0
    Fourth floor ... Close all the multi-storey ... Shopping and entertainment center ... Over in Samara Mega ... Barn ... Spaceport ... one-story purpose-built buildings ... And Aurora supposedly scary look from the street ...
  8. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 4 2018 14: 57
    0
    check this shopping center can here, too, guards are former cooks and electricians are former choreographers.
  9. Terenin
    Terenin April 4 2018 14: 58
    +5
    Unfortunately, one cannot quickly stop all this colossus in the form of violations of fire safety rules during the planning, construction, modern decoration of evacuation routes and other rooms with combustible materials. But the fact that the fire regime (free evacuation routes and evacuation itself, calling firefighters, etc.) has already been more or less respected has allowed us to prevent mass deaths. Well, for granted, this is to establish the cause and the perpetrators of the fire.
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 4 2018 14: 58
    +2
    Well, what a surprise. Tomorrow they’ll burn it. Share however.
  11. assa67
    assa67 April 4 2018 15: 05
    +5
    versions of sabotage and sabotage are probably also considered by authorities ...
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    This is all specially done to discredit the authorities.

    soon and the forests will start to burn again ....
    1. Dormidont
      Dormidont April 4 2018 15: 29
      0
      In the forests, since Soviet times, the extortionists specialized
  12. askort154
    askort154 April 4 2018 15: 09
    +3
    It seems to relax. “Do not have the cashmere business” - turned into a nightmare for the innocent. And yet, all fall the country was shocked by calls about "mines." Then trading markets burned, now entertainment centers. Previously, this was not systemic. It's time to tighten the nuts.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 4 2018 15: 16
      +11
      Quote: askort154
      Then trading markets burned, now entertainment centers. Previously, this was not systemic

      In the past two years, two trading markets have burned down in my town. Now, in place of both, is the Atak store.
      Coincidence? Don't think No.
      1. edmed
        edmed April 4 2018 15: 48
        0
        Golovan Jack (Roman) Today, 15:16 ↑
        Quote: askort154
        Then trading markets burned, now entertainment centers. Previously, this was not systemic
        In the past two years, two trading markets have burned down in my town. Now, in place of both, is the Atak store.
        Coincidence? I think no. Everything is going according to plan. wink .
  13. astepanov
    astepanov April 4 2018 15: 15
    +2
    Nevertheless, I will assume that after the mass checks that took place due to the Kemerovo tragedy, security became better and a much larger number of victims were avoided.
    All these shopping centers are potentially dangerous, no matter how you check them. In the lining and decoration there is a lot of plastic, and combustible, and emitting toxic rubbish when burning. A lot of light plastic partitions between the boutiques, small cages clogged with combustible rags, wiring being changed during any division of the retail space, deliberately elongated walkways to stairs and exits (so that people move along the goods), etc. I'm afraid this trouble in the shopping center is not the last.
  14. seacap
    seacap April 4 2018 15: 27
    +8
    Here is the result, very sad, of the murder of the country and the 30-year-old so-called reforms of our and not our greedy, cynical and corrupt figures. The system of government created on lies and meanness, at the cost of betraying the country and its people, "for themselves and their master", aimed only at the loot, will always give rise to a bloody harvest. Incompetence, lies, indefatigable greed, arrogance and cynicism, contempt for one’s people and country are the result of the destruction of the socialist community of people, the reforms of education and upbringing, the creation of a consumer society, a society with moral values ​​and traditions that are alien to us, that have turned us into a poorly educated society, deprived of creative potential, greedy, with vile demands of individuals, where the criterion of a person’s value, his greatness and statute are determined by his wallet, family ties, and “ability to live.” People in the country cease to believe and respect the authorities and laws, seeing the utter impunity of officials arising as cockroaches, when the authorities create well-paid places for their growing relatives, children and friends by reducing people's incomes. Our officials live their lives and their interests, in their own state and according to their laws, which are fundamentally different from all powerless and silent people, powerless to somehow influence the "servants of the people" whom they contain, dragging out a beggarly being So it is asked why they killed the country, destroyed all the achievements of the development of our people, if we were thrown back 100 years ago of our development, for the sake of such high ideals the mln people of the long-suffering people and the power were destroyed, to once again rise from the ashes, to restore by incredible efforts all from scratch, and again and again to go this way of bloody losses and humiliations?
  15. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 4 2018 15: 28
    0
    A lot of reasoning about coincidences. And it is worth remembering that he threatened to make a scruffy animal named Korchinsky
  16. Sverdlov
    Sverdlov April 4 2018 15: 51
    +12
    Many bukof, but worth reading.

    BRIEF, WITH A LOT OF THROAT

    I will say a word. I have been building my whole life in Russia, and have done many STUs (Special Technical Conditions) for fire-fighting systems of shopping centers, for about 22 centers. Everywhere "consulting contracts" of 1,5 million rubles or more, usually in the region of 4. Everywhere there are consultants who are relatives of the head of the local Ministry of Emergencies. Nowhere is there a pipe with a water pressure from the city, they give 100 mm, somehow water flows from it, which is why it is necessary to build huge pools for water supplies for sprinkler and deluge fire extinguishing systems (the deluge creates a wall of water impenetrable for fire, the sprinkler sprays it all around), investors are struggling to exclude these systems for money. The main question in the design of fire systems is "how to get rid of the sprinkler system." But it is this system, and not the alarm system, that MAKES THE FIRE PRACTICAL IMPOSSIBLE when water flows from the ceiling in a stream. It is impossible to comply with the norms; they all work against each other. Everyone is trying to minimize the number of sensors, supplying cheaper systems, system manufacturers and contractors are under enormous pressure in terms of cost, compare the cost of Rubezh sensors with those from Honeywell. The examination of the project is everywhere for bribes; there are no experts there, since they are paid a penny. There are no standards for skyscrapers. There are no norms for large shopping centers. There are no norms on atriums. On glass roofs, on generators and diesel fuel storage inside data centers, on temporary electrics and fire fighting during construction - no. You understand, these people simply do not know how to write technical rules for how to build, which are around the world, if it is not Zimbabwe or Malawi. All inspections, these are just visits for money, with extortion, and not inspections at all. When you have a large shopping center, the Chekists send you their full-time employee for 30% of the shares, you pay him, he gives half up, half again, and so on until the Most Serene. The same is in all supervisory authorities, in certification centers, in Examinations, in the traffic police, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, everywhere. Through and through a rotten system, and built it on the model of thieves common companies that have reliably proven themselves. A ruthless, stupid algorithm involving everyone in the cycle of shadow "services", the size of the economy of which has long been equal and surpassed the "white" economy of Russia.
  17. mavrus
    mavrus April 4 2018 16: 05
    +2
    Quote: edmed
    She had already discredited herself without this for a long time! Unfortunately, yes. Everyone fusses pushing each other open the gates, the gate in front of a burro loaded with gold.

    Do you miss the nineties?
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov April 4 2018 16: 42
      0
      smile More weighty arguments not?
    2. edmed
      edmed April 4 2018 17: 22
      +2
      mavrus (Andrey) Today, 16:05
      Quote: edmed
      She had already discredited herself without this for a long time! Unfortunately, yes. Everyone fusses pushing each other open the gates, the gate in front of a burro loaded with gold.
      Are you missing the nineties? Are you scaring the 90s? And you, my dear man, are not one of the gate openers, “sucker must endure”, “they did not write to the market”, how many Ryzhik measured there, these suckers in the ditch of history, “do you feel good today, so that I could live tomorrow” life in the modern history of Russia.
  18. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya April 4 2018 16: 08
    0
    Judging by the photo, the fire is small, moreover, they have already been extinguished. But the fact that three firefighters were injured is very bad. How many firefighters then suffered in Kemerovo?
  19. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 4 2018 16: 16
    +1
    Here the FSB needs to work, find out where the dog dug. As on the go-ahead, fires began. In the words of Winnie the Pooh, it's all for a reason.
  20. Hiw
    Hiw April 4 2018 16: 22
    +5
    Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    This is all specially done to discredit the authorities.

    She had already discredited herself without this for a long time!

    here and fires are not needed to see what kind of power we have, in the Moscow suburbs in volokhalamsk the whole city is poisoned and they bring garbage and bring them up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbWAAoTWEwM
    the Chinese are plundering Siberia in accordance with the law on territories of advanced development https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IunNV4-dNfQ&t
    = 416s
    paid medicine, paid education (higher), beggarly pensions, beggarly salaries, destroyed factories, loans at 15 percent (in Europe, Sberbank issues at 5%)
    What is there to describe? We must be set on fire to see what is happening around ???
    1. cedar
      cedar April 4 2018 17: 06
      +2
      Why was Putin elected President of Russia?
      Demand emergency powers for Russian President Putin.
      Article 88 of the Constitution allows this to be done. And there won't be enough tears to cry each other, especially since the adversary of us, the further the more pressure will be. Only the dumb and blind do not understand this and do not see it point-blank. All our weak and vulnerable places are known to the adversary because these are in many ways his bookmarks, and he hits them until he finishes, he calms down, do not hope. Russia and its people i.e. all of us, for him, are like a bone in the throat.
      We see at the root, dear. The war is on. If not military, then at least the State of Emergency is high time to introduce.
  21. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 4 2018 16: 41
    +2
    And how many more will there be with such power! Or is the State Department again trying to discredit the authorities? wink
  22. Bully
    Bully April 4 2018 16: 56
    0
    Quote: Bone
    It seems to me that it’s not enough without overseas suckers ....

    You can light up a shopping center in New York as a test balloon, for example. If, after that, the fires in our shopping centers stop, then they hit the spot.
    1. Bully
      Bully April 4 2018 17: 05
      +1
      Experience suggests that the phenomenon begins to acquire a systemic nature (surprising repeatability in a narrow range of time) only by someone's will.
    2. seal78
      seal78 April 5 2018 10: 51
      0
      They ignite their shopping centers quite well, remember 911. They do not feel sorry for anyone, including their residents. Why should we be like them?
  23. shmelik45
    shmelik45 April 4 2018 17: 13
    0
    They took it off the tongue. Something too much. And the fourth floor is again
  24. dojjdik
    dojjdik April 4 2018 17: 14
    0
    because you have to answer the same - Washington London and a certain Telaviv say very fire hazardous cities
  25. Krev
    Krev April 4 2018 17: 56
    +1
    Quote: vlad66
    ... and in general, after the elections, one after the other climbed up, it leads to bad thoughts that all this is being done on purpose.

    Quite the contrary, before the elections. Before the upcoming formation of the government, which should happen after the May inauguration of the elected president. Someone is trying to put pressure and persuade to be more compliant in the matter of dividing portfolios. As if hinting at what consequences the country may face if ignored by the GDP.
  26. gsev
    gsev April 4 2018 23: 34
    +2
    Quote: Bone
    It seems to me that it’s not enough without overseas suckers ....
    All these fires take the appearance of a system, which is a fire, according to the account in Russia ...?!
    Close all this shit all over the country and until all the shopping centers pass a second check by firefighters and the Ministry of Emergencies with a personal report of the heads of departments of the Ministry of Emergencies of the regions to the “main” Ministry of Emergencies. What the hell ???
    I support Vos, completely and completely !!!

    All this does not remind the story of Rust. A light-engine plane landed on Red Square and after that a bunch of generals were dismissed for alleged incompetence. The result Rust did not bomb anyone, and the state died. Although before that, the adversaries broke through the Soviet air defense and burned Stalingrad, Pyongyang Hanoi and Haiphong. Hundreds of thousands died, but the USSR, the DPRK and Vietnam survived then and did not become weaker. Also, now no one knows the reason, and everyone already requires organizational conclusions. As a result of ill-considered conclusions, the losses from them will exceed the losses from Western sanctions, the war in Donbas and Syria combined.
  27. fa2998
    fa2998 April 5 2018 05: 49
    0
    Quote: Bone
    Close all this shit all over the country and until all the shopping centers pass a second check by firefighters and the Ministry of Emergencies with a personal report of the heads of departments of the Ministry of Emergencies of the regions to the “main” Ministry of Emergencies. What the hell ???

    Yes, the fact is that at the opening, for bribes the same people (or those close to them) have already been given permissions, resulting in a conflict of interest. They took the money, and then closed the shopping and entertainment center - they will shoot firefighters and government officials.
    But I think after the forced boarding check, no violations will be found, and will follow the knurled one. hi
  28. strannik1985
    strannik1985 April 5 2018 10: 33
    0
    Quote: seal78
    Naturally. And you thought Putin just flew to us in Kemerovo? I have little doubt that it was a terrorist act disguised as an accident.

    Terrorist attacks do not mask.
    1. seal78
      seal78 April 5 2018 18: 33
      0
      They also mask it. Again, remember 911. Or do you think that stupid Arabs with stationery knives did it?
  29. gukoyan
    gukoyan April 5 2018 11: 22
    0
    Then I will refrain from visiting shopping centers, they often start to blaze.