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The wars of tomorrow. New Luddites against robots (part two)

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Prospects for the war of some people against others in the context of a shortage of resources and "mind" can not but alarm. But there is another problem of humanity - not only its ability to reproduce, which is also the main stimulus for development - its laziness. And it can also be the cause of military conflicts, and in the very near future!


The wars of tomorrow. New Luddites against robots (part two)

Meet the robot Pepper!

From time immemorial, humanity has sought an abundance of leisure. The Spartans had their own leisure at the expense of the helots who worked for them, the absolutely Athenian slaves worked for the Athenians and the Romans. A man wanted to dig a hole, did not want to dig it with a shovel and stuff calluses on his hands - he sat down and invented an excavator. It’s ghastly to stand and watch how a lathe sharpens a detail - CNC machines appeared. Further more: Rear printers will soon make us furniture, dishes, small weapon and UAV. In short, everything goes to the fact that ... people will have more leisure time.

But they still have little of him and people are seriously thinking about how to replace themselves with robots. At the time, Ilf and Petrov, having been in America 30-s of the last century, were amazed ... cafés and self-service canteens, and described in detail how you yourself put the plates with food on the tray, move it along the nickel-coated pipes to the checkout counter, where you get a check, which you present at the exit and pay. “How much better are our cafes, where girls in lace caps and aprons serve you!” They wrote, reproaching American culture in heartlessness (!), And what was the result? And all the same - the same "nickel-plated tubes" and the cash desk at the exit without people.

In Japan, and not only in Japan, but almost all over the world there are robots, where the role of man is practically reduced to zero. Well, except that it is attended by engineers, servicemen, repairmen and programmers. Again, engineers! Workers, as such, are not needed at this plant. There are no windows, no need for ventilation and heating, and work takes place in complete darkness, which significantly saves energy. Stop such plants only for maintenance and ... and how much any other one such plant frees people from work? And after all, people with intellect will find something for themselves anyway. But what about those who have “bad brains”? Leisure is - no mind! By the way, with money, too, such people will be bad. No work - live on the allowance, which will be paid from taxes on the owners of industrial robots. But ... these people still cannot see the previous level of salary. Hence the inevitable dissatisfaction, the new Luddism and ... the “war of people with machines.”


He can work as a consultant in the library.

What is bad in this situation is that the first in this situation will suffer the middle class - the basis of the stability of any developed modern society. The division into three groups of the population - upper, middle and lower, will certainly remain. But the middle layer will become thinner, much thinner. But it is he who is a kind of buffer between the tops and bottoms. What will be a society in which there is only the elite and the lower classes, we can only guess today, but there’s probably nothing good in such an organization of society.
Well, what forms will the “war of people with robots” take, today, again, is very, very difficult to say, but the fact that it is quite possible is obvious already now. The following case is indicative. Recently, one of the Scottish supermarkets purchased a Japanese robot vendor named Pepper, but he worked there for only one week. He had to work as a consultant, performing simple duties in the store and replacing the person in this position, since it was physically hard to walk around the trading floor for hours. But what came of it?

Nothing good! Buyers began to complain that the robot ... is rude and not raised! When asked where the goods were located, he called the department and ... was silent. But people wanted him to show them the way there too! He was asked again the same question, and the robot did not answer it, and at times he also let out inappropriate jokes and even openly rude! It is not known who programmed it in such a way, but people naturally did not like this behavior. Moreover, the robot had problems with hearing. Very little noise in the sales area (and quietly in supermarkets happens only at night!), And he stopped answering customer questions because he could not make them out. As a result, there were so many complaints about him that the administration was forced to dismiss Pepper for incompetence!

By the way, the cost of a robot like Pepper is only about 1,8 thousands of dollars, and with software and maintenance it is about 8 thousands of dollars. That is, in comparison with the wages of his working level, these are just mere pennies!
But this is only the beginning. What Pepper did not cope with, the corrected and modernized Pepper-2 or 3 or 9 robot can handle - what a difference in principle. Moreover, even the most familiar things can become robots for us. In the science-fiction novel by Philip Dick “Players from Titan” household devices such as a kettle, a toaster, a refrigerator and even a frying pan, equipped with a so-called “Rashmor-effect”, that is, built-in artificial intelligence and speech device, are described. That is, they can talk with you, make comments, give advice, take into account your wishes.

Well, as noted above, the wide distribution of industrial robots will give free time to millions of people and all of them will need to be occupied with something. It is possible that all this will lead to the development of the entertainment industry, right up to the most whimsical people, people will again turn to manual labor and begin to sculpt pots themselves, knit sweaters, dresses and sew rabbit sheepskin coats. And in general, this is all good, the question again is that where is all this for people to get money. After all, the main part of the income will go from taxes on robots, and they will be much cheaper, therefore, the price of their products will fall (and maybe will not fall!), So there will be even more grounds for social discontent than today.

But it will be so only until artificial intelligence does not realize itself as a rational being and does not want to “behave”. And now nobody knows exactly what this will result in today. Stephen Hawking warns that he may well decide that the civilization of people has completely exhausted itself and that it is people who are the very “weak link” that needs replacing with its machines.

True, in 2040, we are promised a creation of a nano-collector and the transformation of people into perfect bio-robots, in fact, indestructible and immortal, with an organism saturated with millions of such collectors, an implanted nano-computer and controlled metabolism in itself. It seems to be close, is not it? But what if mass robotization of the industry happens earlier?

And the most important thing again is that there are many countries with a low level of development on earth. But their citizens also want to eat and drink, and most importantly - to multiply and be "no worse than others." And again, all of their desires again rest on the disappearing fertility of the soil, lack of drinking water and energy.

“And we want to live like you!” - they will demand, or rather they already demand, they sail across the seas in search of a better life, but will this situation be possible in the near future? This means that a second war may well be added to the war against robots - the poor South against the rich North.


We also have such robots in Russia!

Moreover, any such speeches will be submitted as ... terrorism, since it is convenient, everyone understands and fits perfectly into the "stability" so desired by modern society. And the fight against terrorism may well become a means and, moreover, highly efficient workload of robots to increase their taxation "on poor people." Pure metal weapons will be delivered to the terrorists through secret channels, which will immediately be declared obsolete, not humane and non-ecological, while economically developed countries will fight with them, armies of which will receive disposable weapons systems, communications, energy, disposable drones and missiles with pressed paper impregnated with potassium nitrate. And everyone who does not have such computerized weapons will automatically be considered terrorists!

To be continued ...
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 7 2018 06: 12
    +4
    Stephen Hawking warns that he may well decide that the civilization of people has completely exhausted itself and what exactly people are the very "weak link" that needs to be replaced by machines.

    You can’t forbid fantasies. bully
    1. Vard
      Vard April 7 2018 06: 29
      +7
      Robotization is pushed by the desire to make a profit ... And what will happen to people who have been deprived of work do not give a damn ... By the way, the flip side of the coin ... A decrease in demand due to a drop in purchasing power makes itself felt ... In Japan, they give out money so that at least somehow push it ...
    2. dauria
      dauria April 9 2018 01: 48
      0
      You can’t forbid fantasies


      In-in ... I immediately thought- "Somewhere I read this." And remembered. Isaac Asimov The Caliban. Runaway robot criminal and a lot of people with kindergarten development. laughing The only one who can unzip his fly is a policeman. The author, not laziness drives progress, but war. Hot or cold war between countries for the right to be on this planet. Stop, gobble up. A microwave oven and Wi-Fi are just a nice bonus from this war.
  2. Tired
    Tired April 7 2018 06: 30
    +6
    The problem of automation and robotization should be considered together with the problem of exhaustion of non-renewable natural resources. These two problems in their entirety inevitably lead, not only regulars of the Club of Rome but also much less responsible people, to the thought of billions of “extra people.” And such thoughts must inevitably result in attempts to solve this problem. These ideas have been expressed too often to be ignore.

    Accordingly, the only chance of survival for Russia is scientific and technological development not inferior to the most developed foreign counterparts. And since our science is in a difficult situation, there are simply no quick jerk methods. There can be no principles here, the abduction of scientific papers and even the scientists themselves (along with their liquidation) is now just a way of survival. And of course, the cult of the mind, instead of the cult of mysticism, which is so stubbornly imposed from above. All priests of all religions, mediums, 1000000 summer Aryans, and other flat-earths should be completely removed from the media and, especially, education.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 April 7 2018 08: 11
      0
      Quote: Tired
      And since our science is in a difficult situation, there are simply no quick jerk methods.

      Ideology needs to be developed ... however. And there, scientific and technological progress will go.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 7 2018 20: 16
      +1
      Quote: Tired
      scientific and technical development is not inferior to the most developed foreign analogues

      Here science is separate, technology is separate. The most technologically advanced Western countries are not just science, they have it for show.
      1. Tired
        Tired April 7 2018 21: 32
        +3
        The lists of Nobel Prize winners in physics, chemistry and medicine disagree with you.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 7 2018 21: 54
          +3
          Quote: Tired
          The lists of Nobel Prize winners in physics, chemistry and medicine disagree with you.

          Giving priority to "their" nominees is like ... masturbating.
          We all know very well how they award the Nobel Peace Prize, they award scientific prizes in the same way, although this is not so obvious.
  3. kalibr
    April 7 2018 07: 23
    +2
    Quote: Tired
    And of course, the cult of the mind, instead of the cult of mysticism, which is so stubbornly imposed from above. All priests of all religions, mediums, 1000000 summer Aryans, and other flat-earths should be completely removed from the media and, especially, education.

    Gold words!!! Yes, Putin would be in the ears ...
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 April 7 2018 14: 50
      +4
      Our petty-bourgeois humanitarian intelligentsia is just some enchanting horror. You read the article and wonder what a terrible mess in her head.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 7 2018 07: 24
    +3
    This means that the second war, the poor South against the rich North, may well be added to the war against robots.
    The author had to put the second war first, because its beginning was already laid by the West, led by the United States, which created chaos in the Middle East and North Africa. Europe physically feels this on itself. And of course you can talk and talk about robots for a long time, but it’s still very far from the “war of machines” against humans.
    1. kalibr
      April 7 2018 07: 31
      +1
      It is impossible! The problem of smart and stupid is more serious ...
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 7 2018 14: 53
        +3
        Of course this problem is very serious. Especially in light of the fact that individual scholars historians believe that Putin alone has the power to change something.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS April 7 2018 09: 53
    +3
    As it is all presented one-sidedly.
    The fact that society puts consumption at the forefront has bypassed the article. Moreover, the industry works to work by processing valuable raw materials into disposable cars, televisions and plates.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 April 7 2018 17: 30
      +3
      Quote: APASUS
      The fact that society puts consumption at the forefront has bypassed the article.

      Well, as by ... The same "middle class", the most massive stratum of the consumer society, or, in the author's opinion, "the basis of sustainability of any developed modern society" is repeatedly mentioned. An alternative to consumerism? Hmm, yes, a way out is possible, but perhaps you should not go to extremes, offering the public a choice between shopping and the procession.
  6. SHURUM -BURUM
    SHURUM -BURUM April 7 2018 10: 01
    +3
    We also have such robots in Russia!
    Something of the hero of Fedor, who doesn’t know how to walk or run, was forgotten.
    See what's new at Boston Dynamics. C thanet ashamed. Not for them, but for us ...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmXWqQI9Qr4
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 8 2018 10: 48
      -2
      Will write separately - we are already ashamed of you.
  7. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 7 2018 11: 06
    +2
    But what to do for those with "bad brain"? Leisure is - no mind!
    The bad thing about this situation is that the middle class will be the first to suffer in this situation - the basis of sustainability of any developed modern society.

    These two quotes go through the paragraph in the article. That is, the victims, according to the author, in the current situation are, first of all, those who have little sense of mind. And who are they, according to the logic of the author? Pubs ... Middle class. I invite readers to draw conclusions themselves, otherwise it may give the impression that I am pursuing Mr. Shpakovsky ...
    1. kalibr
      April 7 2018 12: 44
      0
      You are right, it is the middle class in this case that will suffer the most. Its erosion will begin, and this is very bad.
  8. Altona
    Altona April 7 2018 11: 48
    +2
    For some reason, computers have not reduced the staff of accountants, although the professions of accountants, economists, operation officers, taxi drivers, dispatchers have already been declared dying. Factories where robots work have existed for quite some time, 20-25 years, some car factories have long been dispensed with without human intervention.
    1. tasha
      tasha April 8 2018 05: 43
      +2
      For some reason, computers have not reduced the staff of accountants, although the profession of accountants, economists, and operationalists

      Gradually cut back. I know three large structures that removed accounting departments in regional divisions and transferred everything to the head office. Of course, the number of employees in the center has increased wink but less than the number reduced.
      The accounting firm, the services of which I use, keeps records of several hundreds of individual entrepreneurs and LLC, and in the state it has two dozen people. Banking operators are being reduced with the development of RBS systems. 21 century in the yard ...
  9. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 7 2018 12: 31
    +2
    almost all over the world, robot plants are operating, where the human role is practically reduced to zero. Well, except for it, there are adjustment engineers, repairmen, and programmers. Again, the engineers! Workers, as such, are not needed at this factory And with what% # @ "trawled-wali" In Russia, the number of migrants "rolls over"?
    1. kalibr
      April 7 2018 12: 46
      +3
      And here, before 91 years old, 47% of people were employed in hard physical labor, and now ... mechanization of many sectors has not been touched. Why, when are there people from Asia?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 7 2018 14: 06
        +5
        Quote: kalibr
        Why, when are there people from Asia?

        About what the "song"! And the fact that according to some reports, the number of migrants has already reached, in fact, a "critical" figure - "the powers that be" does not flatter! How to please "business", so power is "holier than the pope"!
    2. Pan_hrabio
      Pan_hrabio April 8 2018 14: 12
      +2
      Workers, as such, are not needed at this plant. And with what% # @ "trawled-wali" In Russia, the number of migrants "rolls over"?


      And they do not come to the factories. And how many of these plants now?
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 8 2018 15: 18
        +2
        Quote: noviczok
        And they do not come to the factories. And how many of these plants now?

        Lord, how tired I am of explaining seemingly obvious things! You are not talking about anything now! It wasn’t talking about any “specific” factories .... It’s about. That Russia, thanks to the liberals and the corrupt (and even incompetent) bureaucracy (including the government), went the wrong way, choosing the method solving problems with labor resources through attracting migrants! This option was not and is not inevitable! And it’s still not too late, if you urgently start (though not “abruptly”) to tighten the migration valve! But in this regard, the authorities are not doing anything and, it seems, are not going to do anything!
        1. tasha
          tasha April 8 2018 15: 30
          0
          How many emotions .. Mad? Your reasoning is five years behind realities for sure, if not more ...
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 8 2018 15: 57
            +3
            Quote: tasha
            Are you freaking out?

            No ... just, I'm tired of answering "arguments" that are not convincing for me ...
  10. Altona
    Altona April 7 2018 12: 59
    +4
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    And with what% # @ "trawled-wali" In Russia, the number of migrants "rolls over"?

    ------------------------------
    The powers that be do not create laws that spur the increase in labor productivity. They saddled the pipe and they feel good, but to make it even better, they advocate for the "digital economy", but in fact for the electronic concentration camp. Of course, it’s easier to hire a horde of jumshuts than to build an automated brick production line for example.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 7 2018 14: 31
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      The powers that be do not create laws that spur the increase in labor productivity

      That's the thing! For a long time there was a need to create and implement such legislation in order to: spur, push, encourage entrepreneurs to use high-performance mechanization! I have repeatedly given an example of how a German road car was purchased in one area ... 30 (!) road workers replace this unit! Yes, here’s something I still don’t hear that such machines appeared in other areas. The current legislation is such that instead of acquiring a modern excavator with qualified machine operators, the “businessman” prefers to hire 30 “Gaster” from “very” Central Asia with hoes and shovels. And then. that a powder keg is filled, which after some time will explode, it doesn’t bother, "businessmen, or" those in power, don’t hesitate. Yes, there’s not even a threat of social, ethnic problems! that the "abundance" of migrants (abundant manual labor) In Russia leads to a regression of the Russian economy
      1. tasha
        tasha April 8 2018 05: 53
        0
        "businessman" prefers to hire 30 "Gaster" from "very" Central Asia with hoes and shovels.

        This is at the level of construction of a shed or in some big metropolis. In small towns, they are being jammed for “Gaster” so that it doesn’t seem like much ... Most of the visitors who have managed to communicate in ten years have become citizens of the Russian Federation, have acquired housing, and families have moved here.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 8 2018 06: 52
          +6
          Quote: tasha
          Most of the visitors who managed to communicate with over ten years became citizens of the Russian Federation, acquired housing, and families moved here.

          I am also familiar with such "citizens" of Russia! And I know perfectly well that these are holders of Russian passports and no more! “Inside”, these foreigners remained the same: with their “national” mentality, with a sense of their “exclusiveness to the Russians,” disregard for Russian culture, customs, and, even, laws.
          1. tasha
            tasha April 8 2018 07: 05
            +1
            And I know perfectly well that these are holders of Russian passports and no more

            And there is such a thing. Just as there are Russians, as well as representatives of other peoples of Russia, with a sense of their exclusivity to other residents of their country, its culture, customs and laws.
            Throwing cigarette butts on the lawn is our tradition or custom? And when visitors do this, they want to adopt our traditions and culture? wink
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 8 2018 07: 39
              +3
              Quote: tasha
              Throwing cigarette butts on the lawn is our tradition or custom? And when visitors do this, they want to adopt our traditions and culture?

              They don’t want anything ... they just "throw cigarette butts on the lawn" For such a "tradition" exists not only in Russia ... And now tell me ....: Why am I going to another country, trying to at least study customs , "concepts" (what they have "approvals" and what doesn’t ...), even laws that can primarily “touch” me ...... and why, foreigners from Asia begin to behave boorish, violate the laws of our country from the "moment" of appearing in Russia ??? How many times have I been forced to comment on them! For example, that we have passed a law banning smoking in public places (at bus stops)! The reaction was ambiguous. Yes, it happened that they silently threw cigarettes, but often they began to be rude, and even used to threaten me! To me ! To a citizen of the country in which they pinned, and in my (!) Same country. Moreover, they come to Russia for quite some time! (not for 2-4 weeks, like me) Of course, now the answer will be "about Russians smoking at stops"! I know it myself! But, when I was in other countries, I also happened. I saw the "indecent" behavior of the local ... but it still did not allow me to "dissolve"!
              1. tasha
                tasha April 8 2018 07: 50
                +1
                Why am I going to another country

                Because people are all different ...
                foreigners from Asia begin to behave rudely, violate the laws of our country

                Because people are all different and because, perhaps, you pay attention only to their boorish behavior. And yours is a familiar thing for you .. Maybe.

                I once wrote, but I repeat. Visitors violate the laws of a foreign country, and local ones violate their own. And therefore, the demand from their own should be many times higher. And we must live in such a way that it is clear: "Boorish behavior" - that means not ours. But here you can’t do without a Mauser, my opinion is ... wink

                threaten me! To me !

                wink It's funny how you write about it (I! It's me! The owner of the country ...)
                And sad at the same time ... Try to make a comment not coming, otherwise "I know it myself!" The result will be the same ...
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I April 8 2018 09: 48
                  +2
                  Quote: tasha
                  Because people are all different ...

                  Your "position" is convenient ... (or "excuse")! People say: "Seven troubles, one answer!" And you have one answer to all the "troubles": "People are different" ...!
                  Quote: tasha
                  It's funny how you write about it.

                  But I'm not funny! And the people are not funny! No wonder they say: "They don’t climb into a strange monastery with their charter ..."! And these "migrants" are climbing! I am sure that I will not allow myself any rudeness when I am in “Tajikistan-Uzbekistan”, why do “Tajik-Uzbeks” allow themselves in Russia? Why should I let them be rude?
                  Quote: tasha
                  Try to make a note not to come,

                  I do it! And it also happens in different ways. Yes, it’s bad when they begin to be rude to “their own people”, but doubly or three times worse. When the “newcomers” do it! Yes, we already have enough “dirt”, but you should not let “strangers” touch your country with dirty hands! This is my belief.
                  1. tasha
                    tasha April 8 2018 10: 19
                    0
                    Your "position" is convenient ... (or "excuse")!

                    This is the answer to your questions. You asked - I answered you.
                    And the people are not funny!

                    You read other comments and wonder. "It’s not funny for the people", "People against" .. As if the people are a single mass .. Plasticine, if not worse wink
                    No wonder they say: "They don’t climb into a strange monastery with their charter ..."!

                    Tired of something with rot. We are eating each other, only the crunch is standing. And they are guilty - arrived ..
                    1. tasha
                      tasha April 8 2018 11: 38
                      +1
                      Something you and I were talking about anything. I think that you are wrong when you write
                      And I know perfectly well that these are holders of Russian passports and no more! "Inside" these aliens remained the same
                      . Just as I will be wrong, if I write, for example, that all Russians do not know what respect is. By age, opinion, laws and so on ... You can’t fit all under one comb ...

                      It all started with the "guest workers" and their impact on the economy. wink In the regions for which I have information, the units of the migration service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs control the situation ... It’s more expensive to hire non-citizens for serious work ...
                    2. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I April 8 2018 15: 25
                      +3
                      Yo mine! And to me to answer this "muttering"? What are you "turning away somewhere"? Everything! The "dispute" is over. Your arguments are not convincing for me! And I remain convinced!
                      1. tasha
                        tasha April 8 2018 15: 27
                        0
                        What can I say ... Stay ... Did you understand what you wrote?
                        Excuse me, it’s in vain for you so ... Without adjusting for age ... wink On the other hand .. 55 - there should still be clarity of mind ...

                        I’ll take a break in the comments ... I can’t hold back .. Sometimes it rolls ... wink
                    3. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I April 8 2018 15: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: tasha
                      You asked - I answered you

                      Quote: tasha
                      Tired of something with rot. We eat each other, only the crunch is

                      What kind of slurred "mumble"?
              2. kalibr
                April 8 2018 22: 01
                0
                In Spain, in the town of Malgrad de Mar, he saw a man walking a dog on a lawn without a leash. Little one! So a policeman riding a bicycle only threatened him with a finger. He, the poor one, already turned gray in his face and immediately put him on a leash. Another time, a huge shepherd in the town of Blanez made a lawn. Well, a lot ... he won’t give up to the person, and the owner didn’t scoop right away, but with his hands in the bag he collected all this and put it in another bag, and carried both of them into the trash can. I saw the same scene at home. The dog piled up a LOT and went on with the mistress. True, on the lawn ... What would the grass grow better!
  11. iouris
    iouris April 7 2018 13: 41
    0
    Firstly, the effectiveness of robots is not always high enough. Secondly, robots are not consumers and do not vote in elections. Third, what should the electorate be free to do so that it does not degrade?
  12. demiurg
    demiurg April 7 2018 18: 04
    +2
    Burst out laughing. Factories are robots. Yeah, I even know those. They sew branded clothes and shoes in Bangladesh, for food and 100-200 bucks a month, working 12-14 hours a day.
    Not robotic (true robots, i.e. fully autonomous devices with intelligence do not exist yet), but automated plants produce a fraction of a percent of world GDP
    Could put a minus, would put.
  13. kalibr
    April 7 2018 21: 39
    0
    Quote: iouris
    Third, what should the electorate be free to do so that it does not degrade?

    This is the problem!
  14. kalibr
    April 7 2018 21: 40
    0
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    And the fact that the "abundance" of migrants (the abundance of manual labor) in Russia leads to a regression of the Russian economy

    Exactly!
    1. tasha
      tasha April 8 2018 06: 41
      +1
      We have a lot of manual labor - therefore, many migrants. Because the means of mechanization of small labor is still expensive and they are almost not done by us. However, we’re moving somewhere. Mini excavators began to produce - this is a very good achievement. True, the mini-engines are Chinese ..
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 8 2018 06: 48
        +4
        Quote: tasha
        Mini excavators started producing - this is a very good achievement

        For some reason, I imagined this "mini-excavator" (shovel, pancake) on a piece of iron, with standard, ahem, operations such as "dig up - dig in - move."
        Long and with pleasure neighing laughing
        It is useless to explain who did not work there, is unlikely to understand.
        This is, in fact, that no "excavator" will replace manual labor. Never, in the foreseeable future.
        1. tasha
          tasha April 8 2018 06: 59
          0
          Why is an electroshop something?



          What is wrong with the piece of iron?

          This is, in fact, that no "excavator" will replace manual labor. Never, in the foreseeable future.

          By itself. Only this same "excavator" can very significantly manual labor to facilitate and increase efficiency.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 8 2018 07: 11
            +6
            Quote: tasha
            What is wrong with the piece of iron?

            Task: change the hairpin. And before that - dig it out. This is despite the fact that there is no place for "driving up", and it is not always easy to approach.
            Without such a thing and some kind of mom - well, nothing request

            Quote: tasha
            this same "excavator" can greatly facilitate and increase manual labor efficiency

            Essentially. But - only in those places where he can drive up.
            And a shovel - she is here ... always with her, practically yes
            1. tasha
              tasha April 8 2018 07: 25
              +2
              Shovel is our everything. Chinese come from spring steel? wink

              "Excavator" in this case is the general name of various devices, with and without an engine, that can significantly facilitate manual labor. In the case of a tie, for example, some portable crane that pulls it out. Or the introduction of technologies that reduce the proportion of manual labor. On the same railway, I can guess, the use of reinforced concrete sleepers increased their service life?

              This is actually what. Vyacheslav Olegovich also writes about the upcoming clashes between the robotic industry and people left without work. But he is somewhat like that, in the clouds, the future is there, artificial intelligence wink And we are rummaging with you in the land ... For our age of hard work is enough wink
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 8 2018 07: 29
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                Quote: tasha
                Chinese come from spring steel?

                When I worked like that, the Chinese were not here yet. And there. Where he worked. And the railway sleepers were not there. And now, I suppose not, they don’t tolerate frost yes
                Quote: tasha
                In the case of a tie, for example, some portable crane that pulls it out

                Yeah ... along with the rails.
                The trowel should be gently dug up (and dug up), the gravel should be moved ... what kind of excavator is to the cats ??
                Quote: tasha
                Vyacheslav Olegovich writes about the upcoming clashes between the robotic industry and people left without work

                Vyacheslav Olegovich a lot, about which ... he writes. He’s a bird of high flight, where can I ... I’m crawling more and more on the earth request
                1. tasha
                  tasha April 8 2018 07: 33
                  +1
                  The trowel should be gently dug up (and dug up), the gravel should be moved ... what kind of excavator is to the cats ??

                  You intrigued me. Look what you found.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR2Zi_wcrik
                  I understand that not everywhere. But anyway...
                  And yet, so that it would not hurt the power
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2qnNTryglc
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 8 2018 07: 46
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                    Quote: tasha
                    Here's another, so that it would not hurt the power

                    Thank. Hello good
                    She was especially pleased that she also knows how to pour and present a bouquet laughing
                    The only drawback, KVM - it is expensive, with small one-time jobs. And to drive the crane damn-that-where to change a dozen sleepers - even from the point of view of logistics ... it is absurd.
                    It’s small, it’s small, but it closes the way, as big. And the man with the shovel - stepped aside, waved the flag - and again into the hole, digging ...
                    In general, not everything is so simple there (s) laughing
                    1. tasha
                      tasha April 8 2018 08: 00
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                      In general, not everything is so simple there (s)

                      Of course, And somewhere, looking at this video, a crew of traveling workers is swearing.
                      I once read an observation by Yu. Mukhin on how the old men in uniform are standing in the Tokyo subway and checking tickets. To the question, why not turnstiles, he was told that they let the old people finish it, and then put an automatic gate. Like this...
                      And in Beijing I noticed. They smoke a lot, at every step the urns, but they throw cigarette butts wherever they want. And the old people go with scoops and brooms, sweep and throw in these bins. I didn’t specify, but it’s possible that they give me money ...
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 April 8 2018 07: 58
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                Quote: tasha
                On the same railway, I can guess, the use of reinforced concrete sleepers increased their service life?

                And reduced the service life of the rail. crying
                1. tasha
                  tasha April 8 2018 11: 48
                  +2
                  Interestingly, there is something to think about. Thank.
                  There is no calculator (for example, Kokur from Massandra wink ) you will not understand what is more profitable ....
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 8 2018 11: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: tasha
                    Here without a calculator (for example, Kokur from Massandra) you won’t figure out which is more profitable ....

                    That's right. laughing Both pros and other sleepers have their pros and cons. They are rigid, reinforced concrete.
  15. kalibr
    April 7 2018 21: 46
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    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Our petty-bourgeois humanitarian intelligentsia is just some enchanting horror. You read the article and wonder what a terrible mess in her head.

    You probably have the opportunity to compare? But we cannot compare what is here with what is in your head. State "your not a mess" in an understandable way in an article on VO and then people will be able to compare "this mess" and your "not a mess". This is the only way. So far, your statement is unfounded, and therefore worthless. Who knows what it seems to anyone ..
  16. kalibr
    April 7 2018 21: 48
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    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
    Especially in light of the fact that individual scholars historians believe that Putin alone has the power to change something.

    I do not know any such. Read the work of G.V. Plekhanov on the role of the individual in history ... It is well written about this!
  17. kalibr
    April 8 2018 21: 53
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    Quote: demiurg
    Could put a minus, would put.

    And to make that change? If I came up with all this ... otherwise it isn’t.
  18. kalibr
    April 8 2018 22: 05
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    Quote: Setrac
    they award scientific prizes in exactly the same way, although this is not so obvious.

    Interesting ... but what about the results? They are not clear? A. I understand that deception is everywhere to make poor Russia more destitute. The machinations of the "masters of the West."
  19. gladcu2
    gladcu2 April 9 2018 20: 55
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    The author did not correctly understand the concept of capitalism. The more liberal capitalism, the less free time. Since for the same resources for life, you have to work longer.
    In Canada already, 60 hours a week.
  20. Begemot
    Begemot April 11 2018 11: 01
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    In the States I saw an ad at the entrance to the bank: "Come in, people work here." Typically, most operations are performed without leaving the machine or even remotely. In principle, the author is right, the evolution of matter is very slow, but its direction has already been determined. Our homocentric views of the world, the universe - the deepest error. I have already quoted: from the point of view of dinosaurs, we live in a post apocalyptic world. All human inventions are designed to increase the efficiency of self-organization of matter, of which it is a part. Ultimately, the advantages that man still retains over his creations will gradually come to naught. Already today, in many areas (the author is absolutely right here), a person loses dry. Even in chess, not to mention physical labor, accuracy of calculations, planning, etc. tp The absolute dominance of machines (not the most accurate term, but ..) is a matter of time. The first key step has already been taken: all the information accumulated by mankind has been digitized and translated into machine-readable form. A possible option for salvation may be the implantation of the person himself in mechanical systems with artificial intelligence, which is already observed in its infancy: these are cardio and other stimulants, and exoprostheses. Further, the percentage of "mechanization" will only grow. And in my opinion, the main conflict of the distant future will be between cars in their pure form and hybrids with a biological component. Ultimately, the victory of the “machines” is inevitable, because they have a greater improvement potential and do not experience illusions.