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Russian "Perimeter". Dead hand on live button

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On the background of the events taking place in the world, foreign media recalled the Russian Perimeter system, known in the West as the Dead Hand.


The nuclear power of Russia decided to remind its readers of the British press. Perimeter is one of Russia's most secret developments in the field of nuclear security and nuclear missile deterrence. The system must ensure that a nuclear counterstrike can be applied, even if the order to launch the missiles will be physically given. At the same time, some experts believe that this system has its own vulnerabilities.

"Russian nuclear control system weapons «Perimeter“Not only has it been preserved since the end of the Cold War, but it is also improving,” said Professor Bruce Blair, American expert in nuclear control, at the British Star Daily. This professor is one of the most recognized Western experts and co-founder of the Global Zero Movement, and also a research fellow at Princeton University. Among other things, Bruce Blair is a former American army officer who once controlled the Minuteman ballistic missile launches. The global zero movement, co-founded by Blair, is in favor of achieving a “global zero” - the destruction of all existing nuclear arsenals by the 2030 year and a nuclear-free world (a utopian goal in modern realities).

According to recent events and publications, one gets the impression that the West and Russia have entered a new era of the Cold War. The scandal that erupted around the poisoning in the UK of a former GRU employee Sergei Skripal and his daughter with a nerve agent called “Novice” only inflates the coals of this confrontation. Only in connection with this incident more than 100 Russian diplomats were expelled from many countries of the world, including 60 - from the United States. In Russia, they responded with mirror measures, calling the decision of the West a mistake. Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin have denied any involvement in the attempted assassination attempt, arguing that Britain has no evidence of any involvement of the Russian Federation in this case, the newspaper Daily Star points out, stressing that the crisis is likely to continue.


“Dead Hand,” as it is called in Western countries (another name is “Doomsday Machine”), is an automatic system that only a few people need to work, Bruce Blair told the Daily Star. According to the expert, to activate it, you need to perform a fairly small number of functions. At the same time, the military, who can activate the system, do not have to have high ranks and positions, they just have to respond to its signals. The "perimeter" is designed so that Moscow can respond to a nuclear strike, even if all the command and top leadership of Russia is destroyed as a result of the first strike from the United States, emphasize in the British edition.

The system has a well-developed network of sensors that can detect nuclear explosions in Russian territory. After that, the system launches a “command rocket”, which sends out a signal that activates all other strategic nuclear missiles in the country located in their positions. In addition, non-nuclear forces, for example, submarines or bombers that are currently in different parts of the world, also receive a signal of a reciprocal attack.

“This means that even a“ tactical ”strike, which would have been destroyed by the top Russian leadership, will not prevent the apocalypse of the third world war following this,” stress the Daily Star journalists. According to the American expert Bruce Blair, the development and launch of the Perimeter system is a legitimate and ethical way to prevent a possible nuclear war, since the “containment” of a potential enemy is based on potential and inevitable retaliation. “The working Perimeter means that the West should always think twice when it has a desire or temptation to launch a nuclear strike,” the British tabloid says.

Russian "Perimeter". Dead hand on live button
Command missile 15А11 of the Perimeter system

The British counterpart of “Dead Hand” are “letters of last resort”, which are handwritten by the British Prime Minister upon assuming office. Secret letters are written in case of a nuclear attack on the country and the death of the government. This procedure is one of the parts of the protocol that every new head of the British Cabinet must follow. The so-called letters of the last hope are handwritten in four copies, after which they are sealed in envelopes and handed over to the commanders of four submarines armed with Trident ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads. Letters from the country's prime minister are kept on these submarines inside double safes located at the central control posts of submarines.

The text of these letters will never be made public. With the departure of the head of government, these letters are subject to destruction. It is believed that their text contains an order for one of four options for possible actions: launching a nuclear retaliation against the enemy; refusal to strike; decision making at its discretion; transition under the command of the union state.

At the same time, Bruce Blair expressed concern that the Russian Perimeter system is vulnerable to modern cyber attacks, and this circumstance, in turn, poses a security threat to the world. The fact that the Pentagon is seriously considering the possibility of conducting large-scale cyber attacks against Russia (as a response to "Russian aggression") has been previously reported repeatedly. It is not excluded that one of the targets for such attacks could be the Perimeter system, which, according to some sources, is based south of Moscow in a deep bunker. The existence of this system was once confirmed by the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Sergei Karakaev, writes a British tabloid.


Indeed, in an interview with the Russian newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda in December 2011, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Lieutenant-General Sergey Karakaev (now Colonel-General) told reporters about the existence of the Perimeter. “The system really exists, it is on duty. If the need arises in a reciprocal nuclear strike, when there is no opportunity to bring the appropriate signal to some part of the launchers, this command will come to the missiles from the Perimeter system, Karakayev then noted.

Alexei Leonkov, the editor of the magazine Arsenal of the Fatherland, explained to journalists of the Russian newspaper Vzglyad that the Perimeter system, which includes a network of mines of ballistic missiles, was created and put on combat duty even during the times of the USSR. It was assumed that in the event of a surprise attack from the enemy, which would lead to the elimination of the military-political leadership of the state and there would be no one to press the “red button”, the system’s sensors would automatically detect the fact of a nuclear strike based on the analysis of various data: seismic vibrations, electromagnetic radiation, the ionizing state of the atmosphere, etc. After that, the “command” rocket will be launched, which will strike back at the enemy, Leonkov noted. “The emergence of the Perimeter system in the 1980s, at the time of the next round of tensions and aggravation of the Cold War, became an unpleasant surprise for the West, it was then that the system was called Dead Arm,” Alexei Leonkov emphasized.

According to him, in Russia today there is another system that is currently being improved. This is about the SPRN - Warning system for a rocket attack. If the "Perimeter" is a system that is designed to strike back at the enemy as a result of receiving a nuclear strike, the missile defense warning system allows you to strike back, when the enemy's ballistic missiles have not yet reached Russian territory.

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In our country, experts explained the publication in the British newspaper Daily Star by increasing tensions between Moscow and London around the Scripals case. Probably, the outbreak of scandal forced London to think about the risks of further quarrels with Russia. Alexey Leonkov does not agree with American Professor Blair only that Perimeter is vulnerable to hacker attacks. According to him, the system and all launchers included in such a type of troops as the Strategic Missile Forces have protection against cyber attacks. An external impact on them is completely excluded, the Russian expert believes. “Moreover, the impact of a different nature - electromagnetic radiation or even direct nuclear strike is excluded. The system has the appropriate protection, the country is ready for any variant of the development of events, ”noted Leonkov.

Vladimir Anokhin, a military expert and vice president of the Russian Academy of Geopolitical Problems, commented on the RT channel to the appearance in the British press of the Russian system Perimeter. “The fact is that the“ Perimeter ”system has, relatively speaking, a hundred years. Why she surfaced in the British press right now, I do not know. Most likely, there was a shortage of topics, or there was nothing to blame Moscow for. Therefore, it was decided to create the conditions to indirectly demonstrate once again that Russia is a huge threat to which it is necessary to look closely, and that the “Dead Hand” is one of the systems that is able to destroy the entire world community. This is the only explanation for the fact that the press has surfaced mention of this system. This material is aimed at intimidating citizens. This is an attempt to demonstrate that the Russian Federation is seriously preparing for a nuclear war and has all the possibilities for destruction, ”said Vladimir Anokhin.

Against the background of tension, which literally permeates world politics today, Russia continues to upgrade its nuclear forces. Not so long ago it became known that the newest Russian mine-based missile system, equipped with the Sarmat heavy PC-28 intercontinental ballistic missile, is planned to be put on combat duty in the Uzhur missile division of the Strategic Missile Forces by the year 2021. This was reported to journalists by sources in the Russian military-industrial complex. At the same time, mass production of new ballistic missiles according to plans should begin as early as 2020.

Sources:
https://vz.ru/politics/2018/3/29/914943.html
https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2018-03-28/Daily-Star-rossijskaya-Myortvaya-ruka
https://inosmi.ru/military/20180330/241857452.html
https://www.discred.ru/news/budushhij_premer_velikobritanii_tereza_mehj_napishet_sekretnye_pisma_na_sluchaj_gibeli/2016-07-13-22367
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  1. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx April 4 2018 05: 53
    +21
    let them be afraid. fear of death is the only way to soberly affect the brains of the West. otherwise they forgot what a real war is after Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya.
    1. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah April 4 2018 06: 01
      +7
      The people are afraid, unlike the western godfathers blinded by hatred of Russia. They hope to sit out in the bunkers, and that in the end we will go to all their conditions, which they will present to us.
      1. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx April 4 2018 06: 10
        +11
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        The people are afraid, unlike the western godfathers blinded by hatred of Russia. They hope to sit out in the bunkers, and that in the end we will go to all their conditions, which they will present to us.

        but for me they’re not “afraid” enough. I remember not so long ago (last or the year before last) I smashed a YouTube poll on the topic "Are you ready to start a war with Russia" - almost all answered yes.
        and the "godfathers" cannot but understand that mankind as a whole can survive a nuclear war, "but it’s not accurate" ©
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah April 4 2018 09: 16
          +5
          It was in the USA, though it doesn’t matter. Their disregard for us is the result of Gorbachev’s policy. Yeltsin only strengthened them in the exclusiveness of Western values ​​and the slavish behavior of Russia towards them. Now they will have a different opinion. And I hope forever .
          1. PANTELEIMON
            PANTELEIMON April 4 2018 14: 11
            +2
            Mar. Thira, you're wrong. It is the Stalinist Communists who constantly impose on people the idea that the USSR and the socialist camp destroyed the United States and its Western satellites. And thereby they play into the hands of our opponents. In fact, all the ventures fell out of the weakened hands of the Bolsheviks and their last leaders.
            1. Prosha
              Prosha April 4 2018 20: 50
              +6
              And what did not please the Stalinists? I am not a strong defender, but I would like to know, during when there are so many threats from outside, you continue to search for enemies in your own and in not the worst environment? The Stalinists communists built the country and defeated the enemy, if not in the most humane ways, but they saw it and they lived like that.
              1. mejik
                mejik April 5 2018 18: 34
                0
                The country was built mainly by non-partisan people. Communists in the best years were 8%. And then among them there were few Stalinists, judging by how quickly they began to spread rot for the dead Stalin. So think about it, the Communists have privatized what millions of non-partisans built, or whatever you say.
                1. Prosha
                  Prosha April 5 2018 22: 28
                  +2
                  Ordinary people except pay and the day off, to hell do not need anything. And everything that happened in a country called the USSR and continues to happen in modern Russia, only thanks to the authorities or to those Stalinists and Communists who were at the helm then, I don’t know the degree of their faith in communism, but basically they knew their business. It must be admitted. My childhood passed in a country built under the leadership of the Communists, the Communists taught me and I’ll tell you they taught me well, but that a lot didn’t work, I myself thought that I knew better, but it turned out to be right, if they were in ... - the Communists . And my father was a communist, so why should I blame them. And something is not visible in large privatizers. But God didn’t give me such convictions, I doubtful, I don’t believe anyone, I try to attach my head to it and so far it is regrettable to admit that no one cared so much about the country except the Communists. That's what I thought up)
                  1. mejik
                    mejik April 10 2018 23: 03
                    0
                    Quote: Prosha
                    except the communists, nobody cared so much about the country

                    About Mozambique, Angola and other countries. Russia was not on the list.
                    1. Prosha
                      Prosha April 11 2018 18: 15
                      +1
                      You must agree that Vitaliy didn’t forget about Mozambique and Angola and his country, well, God didn’t give Russia colonies that can be robbed and people who are ready to rob, without a twinge of conscience, well, somehow the Russian people have no honor in it, I mean all the nationalities of the country. (Specifically specified, otherwise it became fashionable to blame that they say they all assign themselves to Russians).
                2. Lycan
                  Lycan April 10 2018 12: 19
                  0
                  Quote: mejik
                  The country was built mainly by non-partisan people. The Communists in the best years were 8%. And then among them there were few Stalinists,

                  For such statements, evidence should be provided, and, moreover, from authoritative sources. And it smacks of documents from Ren-TV.
                  1. mejik
                    mejik April 10 2018 22: 59
                    0
                    250 million people of the USSR. CPSU 20 million members. What sources do you need to calculate the percentage?
                    Don't watch rents anymore.
                    1. Lycan
                      Lycan April 11 2018 08: 25
                      0
                      Quote: mejik
                      Don't watch rents anymore.

                      I do not look no more, not less.
                      Quote: mejik
                      CPSU 20 million members
                      - namely party
                      Quote: mejik
                      The Communists in the best years were 8%

                      However, a person could be a communist without being a party member. Partisanship and beliefs are two different things. It’s not so easy to count.
                      1. mejik
                        mejik April 11 2018 12: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Lycan
                        Partisanship and beliefs are two different things.

                        Here! A communist is not a party, a party is not an ideological one. Go figure this trash. Who is ideological, who is real, and who is the only language of the 20 million party and 250 million non-party? One demagogy.
                        However, the main thing that atheists would believe in a fairy tale about a bright future.
                        And the funny thing is that there are no communists. At all. There were now cookies in the Americas bursting and living in Russia as oligarchs.
            2. ty60
              ty60 April 5 2018 00: 28
              +1
              what a tolera!
            3. ochakow703
              ochakow703 April 10 2018 10: 53
              0
              You can’t be so overwhelmed, this is a sign of nearness. Did not the Stalinists win the terrible war, build a nuclear response to the Amers and prepare a technical platform for manned space flight? You better think about the fact how many Stalinists were and how many others were. Believe me, a handful of "others" will be much smaller and more primitive, they were also called dissidents.
          2. tol100v
            tol100v April 4 2018 18: 07
            +2
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            .Now they will have a different opinion. And I hope forever.

            In order for them to have a different opinion, a couple of times they need a very, very strong dip (lower) in shit! They do not understand the other "exceptional" arguments until they are expelled from this self-designation!
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 April 4 2018 08: 54
      +6
      Koshchei
      In the article about WHAT EXACTLY forces NATO countries to observe at least some decency in international relations. It turns out that neither education, nor culture are a deterrent for such refined * gentiles * and others ....
    3. astepanov
      astepanov April 4 2018 10: 03
      +3
      Why be afraid? Don’t poke around - and the Perimeter will never work.
    4. smart ass
      smart ass April 4 2018 12: 02
      +4
      Funny such, they decided to hack the perimeter)))) but why connect it to an Internet? Are you going to hack through the outlet?
      1. Saxahorse
        Saxahorse April 4 2018 16: 43
        +1
        Theoretically, it is possible through the outlet. If skillfully.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland April 7 2018 21: 16
        0
        Quote: Clever man
        Are you going to hack through the outlet?

        laughing in vain! Saxahorse hi 100% right
        Quote: Saxahorse
        theoretically possible through a power outlet. If skillfully.
        1. KCA
          KCA April 10 2018 13: 40
          0
          Theoretically, it is possible to remove information from a computer through an electrical network, while only theoretically, it is necessary to have access to the correct outlet, but it is impossible to enter a virus or trojan through it
    5. MadCat
      MadCat April 4 2018 18: 54
      +1
      Quote: K0
      let them be afraid. fear of death is the only way to soberly affect the brains of the West. otherwise they forgot what a real war is after Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya.

      Yes, you kind of forgot that they have no less arsenal. hi
      1. Prosha
        Prosha April 4 2018 20: 52
        +1
        And in this context, the number of missiles is not important - inevitability is the thing! Then Solovyov had an opinion that the experts in the West had ceased to see the real picture of the world and Putin was forced to show that Russia was not backward with the ruined economy in the trash, but still had “racket and balls that could fly through the net” if announced our feed.
      2. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx April 5 2018 05: 28
        +2
        Quote: MadCat
        Yes, you kind of forgot that they have no less arsenal.

        we do not develop preemptive strikes, so spit what arsenal they have. the main thing is that they at least use it all, it will not save them from an answer.
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor April 4 2018 06: 14
    +7
    This is a serious thing that potential aggressors can and should be afraid of! Otherwise: Beginner, Beginner ... like small children!
  3. Senior manager
    Senior manager April 4 2018 06: 44
    +9
    Strange people, they frighten people, but they don’t say that the Dead Hand is just an answer to the destruction of the Russian leadership, and missiles will fly to well-known addresses. I suspect that the system will not hit the Sahara.
  4. cradle
    cradle April 4 2018 07: 16
    +1
    Quote: St. Propulsion
    Strange people, they frighten people, but they don’t say that the Dead Hand is just an answer to the destruction of the Russian leadership, and missiles will fly to well-known addresses. I suspect that the system will not hit the Sahara.

    Depends on intelligence and target designation, and this is already state. secret
  5. Operator
    Operator April 4 2018 08: 12
    +2
    The main system is SPRN (for retaliation), the Perimeter is an additional system (for retaliation).
  6. Technologist
    Technologist April 4 2018 08: 40
    +1
    Quote: K0
    fear of death is the only way to soberly affect the brains of the West.


    No, not brains, they always save another place.
    1. Senior manager
      Senior manager April 4 2018 09: 23
      +1
      Quote: K0
      fear of death is the only way to soberly affect the brains of the West.

      There are brains in the West, but somehow they are on one’s side, they are useless to turn to. Rather, it is an effect on the instinct of self-preservation. Could be a boom.
  7. Lopatov
    Lopatov April 4 2018 10: 02
    +5
    Well, damn it, we are used to the fact that even refrigerators are connected to the Network with irons. 8)))
    And in their heads, even the thought does not arise that the system may be completely unconnected with the Internet, and therefore trying to conduct cyber attacks on it is a very, very difficult task 8)))
    However, this is a great topic for harnessing taxpayer funds, better than defending against the hypothetical aggression of aliens. Congressmen who allocate money also have refrigerators and irons connected to the Network 8)))
  8. raw174
    raw174 April 4 2018 10: 15
    +4
    The Global Zero Movement, co-founded by Blair, advocates for a “global zero” - the destruction of all existing nuclear arsenals by 2030 and a nuclear-free world

    Thanks to nuclear weapons, there is no and is not foreseen (in the foreseeable future) global war in the world. Does this movement have a desire to fight big? .. Although the USA needs a big war in Eurasia more and more ...
    1. Redfox3k
      Redfox3k April 4 2018 11: 03
      +2
      I agree that the states in any global war with conventional weapons will be inaccessible from over the oceans, the jackpot can be ripped off sour.
  9. nelson
    nelson April 4 2018 10: 26
    +7
    Judging by the statements of the “retirees,” the brains of the mattresses are turned on only after retirement. And before that, they cherish the brains and do not use them.
  10. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k April 4 2018 10: 59
    +2
    Hah ... cyber attack on the "Perimeter" ... Are they really stupid there? If so, then the iron connected to the 220V / 50Hz network can be subjected to a hacker attack, it is also on the network, although there will also be difficulties: the protocols are different, they have 110V / 60Hz ...
  11. Old26
    Old26 April 4 2018 11: 25
    +2
    Quote: Redfox3k
    Hah ... cyber attack on the "Perimeter" ... Are they really stupid there? If so, then the iron connected to the 220V / 50Hz network can be subjected to a hacker attack, it is also on the network, although there will also be difficulties: the protocols are different, they have 110V / 60Hz ...

    Are you laughing? But when he, instead of ironing, begins to freeze, he won’t be laughing laughing
  12. iouris
    iouris April 4 2018 12: 03
    0
    And why didn’t this work when Gorbi became Secretary General?
    1. Max golovanovo
      Max golovanovo April 4 2018 12: 14
      +2
      So he has special camouflage on his head :)
  13. Igor V
    Igor V April 4 2018 12: 19
    +3
    When I served in the army, we had some racks on the switch (indoors). They called them alert equipment. They constantly worked, LEDs blinked, fans periodically turned on. The racks themselves were on springs and rocked during earthquakes, but did not fall. (He served in a seismically dangerous area). We often did not have light in the unit (there was an energy-intensive object nearby), but this equipment worked without failures. For 1,5 years in this part, no one serviced or inspected these racks, only we sometimes vacuumed outside. But the most suspicious was the behavior of the chief of communications. The third generation intilleleg, he was directly transformed when asked about something related to communication, told, gave explanations. But when the question concerned this equipment, it transferred the conversation to another topic.
    Many years later, learning about the Perimeter, I suddenly remembered these racks. Most likely they were part of this system. And the chief of communications did not cheat - this is the "warning equipment".
  14. Old26
    Old26 April 4 2018 12: 52
    +2
    Quote: Igor V
    Many years later, learning about the Perimeter, I suddenly remembered these racks. Most likely they were part of this system. And the chief of communications did not cheat - this is the "warning equipment".

    Perhaps they were. Or perhaps they were simply part of the strategic missile forces communications and combat control system (not necessarily the "Perimeter")
    1. Igor V
      Igor V April 4 2018 22: 25
      0
      We were further from the Strategic Rocket Forces than from Beijing. smile
  15. Dead duck
    Dead duck April 4 2018 13: 14
    +5
    “This means that even a“ tactical ”strike that would destroy the top Russian leadership does not prevent the apocalypse of the subsequent third world war”

  16. russian ivan
    russian ivan April 4 2018 13: 52
    0
    Can't they shoot command missiles?
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 April 4 2018 14: 50
      +1
      There is nothing to bring them down. They can only try to destroy with a sudden blow. If they are within reach. But there are no fools.
    2. Dead duck
      Dead duck April 4 2018 20: 57
      +2
      Quote: russian ivan
      Can't they shoot command missiles?

      their nth number are scattered throughout the country (or maybe even where), the mines are protected (not only air defense but also with a system with a “shock beam” ... such as a large mass of buckshot charge), etc. etc. repeat
  17. Old26
    Old26 April 4 2018 14: 20
    +2
    Quote: russian ivan
    Can't they shoot command missiles?

    No. They will fly over the territory of Russia
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall April 4 2018 14: 33
      0
      Quote: Old26
      No. They will fly over the territory of Russia



      And how ballistic missiles will fly over the territory of Russia? ... even assuming that someone removes the leadership of the Russian Federation with a sudden strike and does not take care to destroy perimeter missiles in the mines as part of the same sudden strike)
      1. Colonel
        Colonel April 4 2018 16: 43
        +5
        Quote: Town Hall
        destroy and perimeter missiles still in the mines

        First, command missiles are just one control channel,
        secondly .................... enough and firstly.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall April 5 2018 00: 55
          0
          The typical answer of a person who has no idea about the topic and is not able to specifically answer a simple question.
          1. Colonel
            Colonel April 5 2018 07: 25
            +1
            Quote: Town Hall
            Typical answer

            Firstly, not typical, but typical;
            Secondly, your enlightenment in matters of combat control of the Strategic Missile Forces is not included in my plans;
            Thirdly, why are you interested in a spy or something?
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck April 4 2018 20: 54
        +2
        Quote: Town Hall
        And how will ballistic missiles fly over Russian territory?

        they should not fly over it ... google the topic.
        the satellite is lowered into orbit, commands are sent automatically from it ... request
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall April 5 2018 00: 59
          0
          Quote: Deadush
          they should not fly over it



          But Comrade Old 26 says that they should fly. I wonder how a ballistic missile flies over the country. From the article it turns out that somehow this system collects a lot of data, analyzes it, makes decisions without human intervention and gives a command to launch throughout vast country. I am interested to know how this practically happens. Although I would like to outline it.
          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck April 5 2018 10: 10
            +2
            Quote: Town Hall
            Rђ RІRѕS,

            Have you been banned in Google?
            The system on the ground is in the rocket only a relay.
            Theoretically, one flight is enough and flying for hours over some place is unnecessary.
            1. KVIRTU
              KVIRTU April 6 2018 21: 08
              +1
              Father-in-law worked on the maintenance of optics of the Strategic Rocket Forces all his life. Astro correction.
              Many tales walk, a dead hand ...
              In fact, that rocket, flying over the positional areas, transmits, does not relay, the current launch codes for calculations, in the absence of special communication channels. They themselves will not start anything (boats are another story). If the duty crew will be destroyed in the bunker, then about the mines, the possibility of starting, it’s not worth talking further.
  18. Sergey Enoktaev
    Sergey Enoktaev April 4 2018 15: 10
    +1
    For the development of the mind, it is quite logical to read and refrain from commenting on such topics, recognizing that any train of thought will entail more thoughts.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 April 4 2018 21: 45
      +2
      Quote: Sergey Enoktaev
      any train of thought will entail more thoughts.

      It is not necessary, for it makes no sense to comprehend the inconceivable meaning with meaningless thoughts. yes
  19. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 4 2018 15: 55
    0
    The more such containment systems, the better! So that some do not have any bad thoughts!
  20. Traktorbekov Urulu
    Traktorbekov Urulu April 4 2018 18: 24
    +2
    Yes, your left! No, we're just playing here! Wow, a hundred years have not passed, and in the West they already realized that the consequences of a nuclear threat could be so ... Not very good ...
  21. Old26
    Old26 April 4 2018 19: 36
    +3
    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Old26
    No. They will fly over the territory of Russia


    And how ballistic missiles will fly over the territory of Russia? ... even assuming that someone removes the leadership of the Russian Federation with a sudden strike and does not take care to destroy perimeter missiles in the mines as part of the same sudden strike)

    How? Well, for example, from point X in, say, the north-western part of Russia, a missile is released in the direction, well, for example, Sakhalin ....
    And it is very difficult to destroy command missiles in mines, especially if neither mines nor mine command missiles exist.
    In addition, the "perimeter" is only one of the channels of combat control ...
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall April 5 2018 00: 53
      0
      Quote: Old26
      In addition, the "perimeter" is only one of the channels of combat control ..




      The more I read, the more I am convinced that this topic is a pile of myths and tales. May God 20% correspond to the real state of affairs.
  22. Earnest
    Earnest April 5 2018 01: 38
    0
    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Old26
    In addition, the "perimeter" is only one of the channels of combat control ..




    The more I read, the more I am convinced that this topic is a pile of myths and tales. May God 20% correspond to the real state of affairs.

    1. Of all the commentators, only Old 26 is in the subject.
    2. Of myths or tales, I met only one - that the Perimeter is command missiles. In reality, as knowledgeable people explain (those who read comments here, but will not write for various reasons), these missiles are only a subsystem. I’ll give an example as an analogy: everyone knows about the Mediterranean Sea. But it has Aegean, Ligurian, Ionian and other seas. So with the "Perimeter". He is. And it has command missiles. But he is not limited to them soldier So the Britons should be shown a screensaver for the old Soviet program “Obvious - Incredible,” or at least voice: “About how many wonderful discoveries we have ...” Open them and open laughing
    3. And here is a confirmation of the existence of those very command missiles: in the photo of the Strategic Missile Forces mines you can see such a thing, very similar to a chess pawn, only with a sort of “eye” looking at the sky. So this “pawn” “looks” to see if the command warhead flickers in heaven.
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall April 5 2018 02: 12
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      Quote: Earnest
      But confirmation of the existence of those very command missiles




      I am interested in key points.


      1.This system was invented for the case of a sudden attack by the enemy on a conditional "headquarters" after which the commander-in-chief was killed and (or) all the "traditional" channels for transmitting the launch command were disabled.


      2. The key element of this system is a missile equipped with a special warhead with powerful means of communication that flies around the country and sends a launch command directly to the mines bypassing the usual communication channels.


      In this regard, I have 2 questions.



      1. What prevents the enemy from destroying precisely these missiles within the framework of that sudden strike that removes the “headquarters” and conventional communication systems.


      2. Who exactly gives the command to launch these "command" missiles and how, if the communication channels are already destroyed?)
      1. dim7ka
        dim7ka April 5 2018 14: 28
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        We open the website of the developer NPO Impuls and read
        In 1981, I. E. Voinov, V. M. Zuev, V. I. Melnik, V. A. Morozov, B. M. Yakovlev were awarded the title of Laureates of the USSR State Prize for the creation of an ACS for special communications.
        In November 1985 was adopted first stage of the backup management system Design Bureau "Impulse", in March 1986 - the control equipment of the mobile complex backup control system.

        In 2011, NGOs completed work on the fourth generation of the Strategic Missile Forces ACS. The new system is based on a digital signal transmission system and, along with the solution of traditional tasks of bringing orders, collecting reports and monitoring the readiness of launchers, provides an automated change of application plans and operational re-aiming of missiles. At the same time, control orders are transmitted using communication paths formed by wired, radio and satellite communication channels and possessing the necessary survivability and noise immunity, directly to the launchers, bypassing the intermediate links, including under conditions of electronic suppression the adversary.
        Each equipment complex, created using the latest domestic element base, provides three-fold redundancy of control equipment, a communication and data transmission system, and troubleshooting is localized accurate to the typical element to be replaced.
  23. Earnest
    Earnest April 5 2018 01: 59
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    Well, in order to completely remove the intrigue, as usual, arising from the abundance of details unknown to a wide layman, I will post another post about a secret, which is not a secret at all. There is a MO site. There is a section of the Strategic Missile Forces, which describes a lot of what people who are far from military service seem to be a secret. There is a simpler source - Wikipedia, it has an article about the 8th missile Melitopol Red Banner Division, which includes an interesting regiment. I strongly advise you to read.
  24. Old26
    Old26 April 5 2018 10: 55
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    Quote: K0
    Quote: MadCat
    Yes, you kind of forgot that they have no less arsenal.

    we do not develop preemptive strikes, so spit what arsenal they have. the main thing is that they at least use it all, it will not save them from an answer.

    Oh, change, Sergey Kozhugetovich, I didn’t recognize you at once .... laughing
    Only those who are admitted to these secrets can declare what we are developing and what not. It’s another matter that we may not use it (although this is in question), but the fact that such strikes are being developed is unambiguous. Everything is considered. And PU, and OVU and OU ...

    Quote: Town Hall
    The more I read, the more I am convinced that this topic is a pile of myths and tales

    It's just that this topic is quite closed. And myths - they are needed as a smoke screen. Command missiles are one of the control channels, and how it all works will be better not to know about. We’ll sleep better. In principle, only one topic in the system of the Strategic Missile Forces control unit is ajar - the topic of command missiles. Everything else is grooved (and I think it is correct)

    Quote: Town Hall
    1. What prevents the enemy from destroying precisely these missiles within the framework of that sudden strike that removes the “headquarters” and conventional communication systems.

    So a launcher with a command missile still needs to be found in the woods ....

    Quote: Earnest
    it contains an article about the 8th missile Melitopol Red Banner Division, which includes an interesting regiment. I strongly advise you to read.

    I have two of my good friends who served at these ... complexes. Alone on the Gorn back in Soviet times. The second is in the 8th
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall April 5 2018 12: 49
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      Quote: Old26
      So a launcher with a command missile still needs to be found in the woods ....



      Has such an important component of nuclear weapons passed all START treaties?
      1. dim7ka
        dim7ka April 5 2018 14: 23
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        These Poplars are most likely listed as non-deployed, because there are no BBs on them. Although perhaps they have already been exchanged for YRS, and the same YRS-S can easily turn out to be YRS-Siren.
  25. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 5 2018 14: 05
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    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Earnest
    But confirmation of the existence of those very command missiles




    I am interested in key points.


    1.This system was invented for the case of a sudden attack by the enemy on a conditional "headquarters" after which the commander-in-chief was killed and (or) all the "traditional" channels for transmitting the launch command were disabled.


    2. The key element of this system is a missile equipped with a special warhead with powerful means of communication that flies around the country and sends a launch command directly to the mines bypassing the usual communication channels.


    In this regard, I have 2 questions.



    1. What prevents the enemy from destroying precisely these missiles within the framework of that sudden strike that removes the “headquarters” and conventional communication systems.


    2. Who exactly gives the command to launch these "command" missiles and how, if the communication channels are already destroyed?)


    1. For a retaliatory strike. Nobody interferes with incapacitation if you know where they are. But no one knows from the likely enemy, because they do not fall under the START treaties, so we are not obliged to tell anyone about their location.
    2. Everything happens in automatic mode. Roughly speaking, a signal from the CP of these missiles is regularly sent to the central ZKP after a certain time, such as "is everything all right?". Accordingly, the operator who at the moment at the database behind the console must confirm by pressing certain buttons that everything is in order. If there is no one to confirm the signal, since everyone has died, then the command missile launch procedures will begin. After some time, a second signal comes to the ZKP , such as “is everything straight really shitty?”. If no one cancels this signal, then correspondingly automatic launch of command missiles occurs. The meaning is approximately the same.
  26. Old26
    Old26 April 5 2018 16: 05
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    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Old26
    So a launcher with a command missile still needs to be found in the woods ....


    Has such an important component of nuclear weapons passed all START treaties?

    Why has passed? It appears in the last contract as "non-deployed" launchers

    Quote: dim7ka
    These Poplars are most likely listed as non-deployed, because there are no BBs on them. Although perhaps they have already been exchanged for YRS, and the same YRS-S can easily turn out to be YRS-Siren.

    Perhaps, perhaps. Such an index has already flickered, but what it is - is not yet clear ...

    Quote: Xscorpion
    1. For a retaliatory strike. Nobody interferes with incapacitation if you know where they are. But no one knows from the likely enemy, because they do not fall under the START treaties, so we are not obliged to tell anyone about their location.

    They fall under the contract and are listed as non-deployed. About them reported. And where they are deployed - our "sworn friends" are well aware. But try to find these launchers in the forests - this is already a problem


    Quote: Xscorpion
    2. Everything happens in automatic mode. Roughly speaking, a signal from the CP of these missiles is regularly sent to the central ZKP after a certain time, such as "is everything all right?". Accordingly, the operator who at the moment at the database behind the console must confirm by pressing certain buttons that everything is in order. If there is no one to confirm the signal, since everyone has died, then the command missile launch procedures will begin. After some time, a second signal comes to the ZKP , such as “is everything straight really shitty?”. If no one cancels this signal, then correspondingly automatic launch of command missiles occurs. The meaning is approximately the same.

    The meaning is approximately the same, but to what extent this corresponds to reality - HZ. And it’s better not to know. At least both of my acquaintances on this subject are silent "like partisans in interrogation." And rightly so. Although the “Gorn” is already 30 years old. But the algorithms then remained ...
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall April 5 2018 19: 50
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      The more "secrecy" and mysterious whispers, the farther away from reality this whole topic. Such a system needs constant upgrades, missile changes, fairly regular test launches, etc., etc. This is not a needle in a haystack.
  27. Old26
    Old26 April 5 2018 20: 38
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    Quote: Town Hall
    the system needs constant upgrades, missile changes,

    And this is being done. missiles that have not existed in the photograph for 30 years have been decommissioned a long time ago. It was replaced by another complex. Perhaps now there will be a replacement for the Yars version.
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall April 5 2018 21: 07
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      And all this passes by the watchful eye of strategic partners?). And they don’t know where these rockets are “hidden” with all these gestures?
  28. Bell pepper
    Bell pepper April 6 2018 00: 55
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    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/

    The film WarGames (1983) about the American automatic retaliatory strike system, which came under the "cyber attack" ..... schoolchildren .....



  29. Old26
    Old26 April 6 2018 09: 19
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    Quote: Bell Pepper
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086567/

    The film WarGames (1983) about the American automatic retaliatory strike system, which came under the "cyber attack" ..... schoolchildren .....




    Well, this is a movie. And their Mirror system is just like our Perimeter protected against cyber attacks
  30. Old26
    Old26 April 6 2018 09: 31
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    Quote: Town Hall
    And all this passes by the watchful eye of strategic partners?). And they don’t know where these rockets are “hidden” with all these gestures?

    They are mobile systems and mobile, so that the enemy could not know exactly where and in which place the launcher is located at the moment. Of course, they know the approximate region taking into account all the performance characteristics of the installations, but only the approximate.
    In each, let’s say, unit of the Strategic Missile Forces there are "Satellite Logs". What does it mean? What is known at each moment of time where their satellite is located, when it passes over this territory, whether the installation will “touch” (whether the installation will fall into the visibility range of this satellite) and many, many more parameters. Therefore, at the time of the flight, let’s say, “violent activity” at this point ceases, camouflage measures are taken (if the installation has not been masked before). That's all. At one time, the Americans (in the previous treaty) pushed the restriction on the deployment area - EMNIP 250 000 square meters. km Now this parameter is absent. And to hide several launchers in those places (in the woods) - well, that's not a big deal.
    Again, the satellite is not enough to fix a certain object. It still needs to be identified (and this is done on earth). As a result, even if the satellite detects the launch (and not the trailer for transporting logs in logging), a control shot will be needed. And the high resolution of such satellites is a 4 x 4 km side (approximately. During the passage of the second satellite, the APU may not be there anymore. And when surveyed, when the satellite’s capture width is sometimes estimated at 2 hundred kilometers, it’s enough to recognize that the satellite has recorded difficult (I mean the launcher.) Not determined ...
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall April 6 2018 10: 03
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      For some reason I realized that the missiles of this mine-based system.
  31. Old26
    Old26 April 6 2018 14: 42
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    Quote: Town Hall
    For some reason I realized that the missiles of this mine-based system.

    They were until the beginning of the 90s mine-based. And even that is not all. The Horn for example was mobile. And now mobile. Those mine missiles, the photo of which in the article (15A11) has long been gone
  32. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 8 2018 18: 35
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    . They fall under the contract and are listed as non-deployed. About them reported. And where they are deployed - our "sworn friends" are well aware. But try to find these launchers in the forests - this is already a problem


    Yes, you’re right, they are listed as non-deployed, and Americans most likely know where all non-deployed launchers are located. I mean, they hardly know which of the non-deployed launchers are perimeter command missiles.
  33. Old26
    Old26 April 8 2018 19: 58
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    Quote: Xscorpion
    Yes, you’re right, they are listed as non-deployed, and Americans most likely know where all non-deployed launchers are located. I mean, they hardly know which of the non-deployed launchers are perimeter command missiles.

    There are only 9 non-deployed launchers. And all are equipped with a complex of command missiles. And where are these settings - another question
  34. nikoliski
    nikoliski April 27 2018 08: 49
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    I must call this system-Skynet let them tremble!