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RPK-74. Is it time to deserved rest?

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During the conversation about the novelties of small weapons in our army, namely about the new AK-12, AK-15, A-545 and A-762 submachine guns, the theme of the machine gun has surfaced.

If you believe the site of the Ministry of Defense, then in service with our soldiers of the ground forces today are three machine guns.

RPK-74, caliber 5,45-mm;
PKM, caliber 7,62-mm;
“Pecheneg”, caliber 7,62-mm.

RPK-74. The main idea will go about it.



Machine gun, to put it mildly, is not new. And to put it mildly, it can generally be considered a machine gun. One of the last representatives of the concept of LMG, light machine guns. Why is “one of”? Because in the world they are being quietly refused.

Actually, any product from the LMG family is only an assault rifle with an elongated barrel and a magazine of increased capacity. To say that the British L86, the German MG36, and our PKK are full-fledged machine guns, is, after all, an insult to the machine gun.

Well, the German and British are already in storiesand the PKK itself too. Left here, RPK-74, which is even less machine gun than the ancestor.

In the Manual on the shooting case. The Kalashnikov 7,62-mm machine gun (RPK, RPCS) "from 1983, the interesting figures are given if someone did not know.

Yes, they relate to the PKK, but I do not think that things are better for the PKK-74.

Combat rate:
- up to 150 shots per minute - when shooting in bursts, one minute, followed by cooling for at least 5 minutes.
- up to 50 shots per minute - when shooting single.
- no more than 200 shots per minute 3 or five minutes 300 shots.

Machine gun? Able to provide a high density of fire? Fight with manpower and vehicles?

More than doubtful.

And now, when two-caliber machine guns go to the troops and in general something utter will be created. For yourself, understand who. For warehouse.

After all, it is not yet clear how AK-12 and AK-15 will be distributed. Who in which unit. A machine gun in the office of one ... RPK-74.

If this is a unit armed with machine guns with 5,45-mm cartridges, then everything is more or less clear. And if not?

And it turns out a funny leapfrog with cartridges.

9-mm - for pistols.
7,62х54 - for SVD and PKM and Pecheneg machine guns.
7,62х39 - for AK-15

5,45х39 - for AK-12 and RPK-74.

Maybe it's all and nothing, but knowing our army ...

But the most interesting will be with the hypothetical misalliance of RPK-74 / AK-15. Here or return the PKK, or ...?

After all, the AK-15 with the 7,62х39 cartridge well, does not yield anything to the RPK-74, which is still the same AK-74, only with an elongated barrel. All the advantage that the RPK-74 seems to have at the expense of the barrel, the AK-15 eliminates a more powerful cartridge and a more stable bullet. With a great stopping and piercing effect.

And why then do you need this bullet? Just because they are in stock? Well, in principle, there is someone to sell these misunderstandings, I'm sure. Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Uganda ... Will buy.

The following year, it will knock exactly 60 years since the advent of the PKK into the world. Although in fact it is AKM with an elongated barrel and bipod. Extremely uncomfortable. 60 years ago, in comparison with the Degtyarev machine gun, it was yes, power and strength.

Today it is forgive, archaism. Which needs to be changed, precisely because it is moral and actually a veteran to retire.

Moreover, the PKK cannot ensure what it is supposed to do. For this there is a full-fledged machine guns. PKM and Pecheneg.



And the fact that they nashtampov ... So what? We are talking about the army, for which we do not feel sorry, or how?

When it comes to the fact that "soon the new equipment will come to the troops", the mood will inevitably improve. Technique something new, perfect.

But when in fact you see all the same, you start to think.

Yes, some will say that the Germans are still in possession of MG3, which, in fact, all the same MG42.

RPK-74. Is it time to deserved rest?


But this is a completely different story. 42-th is a full-fledged machine gun. What, unfortunately, cannot be said about the PKK.

There always comes a time when veterans should be sent to retire. Deserved. I think this is the very moment.
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  1. Vard
    Vard April 5 2018 05: 37
    +12
    The best enemy of the good ... The machine with proper operation without fail ...
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I April 5 2018 07: 10
      +18
      Quote: Vard
      The best enemy of the good ... The machine with proper operation without fail.

      Well, do not offend the author! Indeed, in some ways he is right in calling PKK-74 "short of a gun!" What does the "infantry" need from the "real" machine gun? Creating a high density of fire for a long (comparatively ...) time. The cartridge power also matters. RPK-74 cannot "provide" this (however, like a PKK ...) The insufficient "capacity" of the store also causes this, and decently warming barrel, and the inability to replace the barrel in the field .. not to mention the cartridge.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout April 5 2018 08: 11
        +19
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Creating a high density of fire for a long (comparative ...) time.

        Alas, the PKK and the like are intended for maneuverable combat. So only for support due to density in a short period of time.
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        and decently warming trunk, and the inability to replace the trunk in the field ..

        Try to change the trunk during a maneuverable battle. The RPK trunk allows you to release 5-6 stores in a short time without much overheating.
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        not to mention the cartridge.

        The cartridge is no worse than others. Modern ones like 7N20, 22 and 7N34 undergoing military trials fully meet current requirements. For the task of these cartridges is not to kill, but to cause maximum injury. The wounded enemy no longer fights, but also consumes resources intensively. 70% of wounds in the limb with a small-caliber cartridge, a deliberate disability.
        1. raw174
          raw174 April 5 2018 09: 19
          +6
          Quote: Timeout
          PKK and the like are intended for maneuverable combat. So only for support due to density in a short period of time.

          I also think that the machines adopted for service will be able to solve the tasks of the RPK-74 ... He is certainly a machine gun, but does not have a big advantage over the machine ...
          Quote: Timeout
          The wounded enemy no longer fights, but also consumes resources intensively.

          As we were told in the army, it is better to injure the enemy rather than kill, since a well-wounded soldier does not fight himself, and even two or five of his comrades are constrained, those who will be evacuated ...
          1. Timeout
            Timeout April 5 2018 09: 40
            +14
            Quote: raw174
            He is certainly a machine gun, but does not have a big advantage over the machine ...

            Just because of the heavy and long trunk it has.
            Quote: raw174
            As we were told in the army

            Why repeat the obvious? Many online warriors simply do not understand this ...
            1. raw174
              raw174 April 5 2018 12: 26
              +3
              Quote: Timeout
              Because of the heavy and long trunk it has.

              Under certain conditions, yes, that's why I say that there is no great advantage, i.e. there is a small one. On rough terrain, where the enemy needs to be reached at a greater distance ... And in building conditions for example. the advantage of a long barrel will come to naught. And the store’s capacity is small ...
            2. Serge Gorely
              Serge Gorely April 5 2018 13: 21
              +2
              Quote: Timeout
              Quote: raw174
              He is certainly a machine gun, but does not have a big advantage over the machine ...

              Just because of the heavy and long trunk it has.
              Quote: raw174
              As we were told in the army

              Why repeat the obvious? Many online warriors simply do not understand this ...

              The RPK is under-machine gun ... But the guys who passed Chechnya did not think so. Who to believe?
              1. Timeout
                Timeout April 6 2018 02: 04
                0
                Quote: Serge Gorely
                But the guys who passed Chechnya did not think so.

                I myself participated. So, as they say, from personal experience.
            3. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 8 2018 18: 53
              0
              Yeah, a machine gun is a machine gun!
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 8 2018 18: 50
            +1
            I don’t know, I don’t know, but if you get at a distance of about 500 meters under the machine gun of the cartridge 7,62 (7,92) 54 (57) or the like, then there will be more troubles than from AKM or M-16 and the like.
          3. Michael HORNET
            Michael HORNET April 9 2018 10: 00
            +3
            What does it mean they can decide? No, the machine cannot solve the problems of RPK-74, because smart people, when they did it, made sure that the RPK had a greater operating time before overheating, it is THREE times higher than that of the AK-74
            RPK-74 withstands overheating of the whole BC until overheating. So it is not clear what you are going to change there. In addition, a new, modernized RPK-16 is presented, and there are stores for it at 60 (4 rows) and 96 (tambourine)
            1. bunta
              bunta April 9 2018 10: 21
              0
              Quote: Michael HORNET
              shops to it are on 60 (4х a row-machine) and 96 (tambourine)

              and both non-working.
              1. Michael HORNET
                Michael HORNET April 9 2018 13: 02
                0
                At 60 with a steel tooth from PUFGUN it works quite normally and reliably, and the old all-plastic one serves and serves. Have you read about the problems?
                1. bunta
                  bunta April 10 2018 18: 22
                  0
                  The store from MP-40 also worked normally and reliably. I haven’t got to Russia yet.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 5 2018 12: 47
          +7
          Quote: Timeout
          Try to change the trunk during a maneuverable battle

          So what are you? Imagine a "maneuverable" battle, like a continuous running around, when neither a beer to drink, nor a machine gun barrel replaced? When in modern machine guns the barrel changes in a matter of minutes!
          Quote: Timeout
          the task of these cartridges is not to kill, but to cause maximum injury.

          Have you thought or read it somewhere? Let me write off! The soldiers have never been tasked: how many to kill, and how much to injure! Here, how bo ..... how come! But it turns out differently! So now? According to your concept, the armed forces of the world will soon rearm for "injuries" and rubber bullets? And in the charters, to conduct aimed fire on the legs and in the "ass"? And the wounded cannot fight? You say this at the tombstones of the fighters of the "9 company", Pskov paratroopers, and that they fought to the end with the wounded?

          Expression: under-machine gun, not mine, but the author of the article ..... I supported him and used his "terminology". I didn’t say or say that the RPG-74 is awesome! This weapon has long been in the army and has been fighting for a long time. I can’t say that “someone” scolded this weapon. The RPG-74 was a machine gun when there was no replacement for it! But now RPK-16 has “appeared” ... it (I hope!) Has the advantages of RPK-74 and is free from drawbacks (life will tell!) ... that's why RPK-74 became a “short-range gun” with the advent of RPK-16! It should be borne in mind that RPK-16 has a technical characteristics (unfortunately, not all ...), which are now the "standard set" in the global trend. Yes, and this must be taken into account! Now "firma" "Kalashnikov" is a private or almost private enterprise and should make a profit! To pay wages to workers and designers; and to buy new equipment, and to clumsy over new developments in an "initiative order"! Need a profit, need a sale! This means that weapons must possess not only high quality production, not only combat effectiveness; they must also have “fashionable” attributes that are in demand in the world. Now such attributes are: optical (thermal imaging) or collimator sight. Quick-changeable barrel, in the “add-on” is desirable silencer, cartridge "power" of two types (sector stores and tape) and other "bells and whistles". typical for assault rifles (assault rifles) Therefore, the "gentlemen" RPK-74 will not buy! Now, the fate of RPK-74-Africa ... By the way. RPK-16 does not fully meet the requirements of the global "trend" (there is no tape power). But RPK-16 is a simplified and cheaper version of RPK-400 ....
          1. Timeout
            Timeout April 6 2018 03: 43
            +6
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            So what are you? Imagine a "maneuverable" battle, like a continuous running around, when neither a beer to drink, nor a machine gun barrel replaced? When in modern machine guns the barrel changes in a matter of minutes!

            Dear, where did you get such intimate knowledge from? For example, I have personal experience of almost a dozen and a half years, nine of them in arms with arms. Or do you think the avatar is just for blowing bubbles? And you are trying to convey to me your sacred, simply invaluable experience ... Instead of badly raping Klava, read how it happened, even in Chechnya. And then they exchanged the sixth dozen, and the knowledge of the topic is like that of a baby.
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            You say this at the tombstones of the fighters of the 9th company, the Pskov paratroopers, who fought to the end with the wounded?

            Vladimir, don’t dwell on the holy! When these butterflies died, you ate deliciously and slept sweetly. And now breed srach, trying to hide behind them. Have you seen how a wounded man is fighting? Or then they wrote a funeral? No! So do not you talk about it! And I had, and more than once. But if you were to run on fire, then you didn’t ask such questions. For weapons in the war, it is primarily a means of survival, and only then supostonagibalka. We must first ask knowledgeable people. And do not climb with the pork snout in the Kalashny row.
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 9 2018 12: 19
              +2
              M-dh! 100% inadequate! Rude and does not "notice" his rudeness! Moreover, it carries such a nonsense that an assumption arose: a “Troll” trying to present itself in such an “image” that does not correspond to reality!
              1. Timeout
                Timeout April 10 2018 04: 16
                +1
                Quote: Nikolaevich I
                M-dh! 100% inadequate! Rude and does not "notice" his rudeness! Moreover, it carries such a nonsense that an assumption arose: a “Troll” trying to present itself in such an “image” that does not correspond to reality!

                Inadequate, my friend, you! Where is the word rudeness? Or do you have megalomania? Everything is visible on the basis of structured cabling systems ... How everything is started. Are you responsible for your words? No along the way ...
          2. Michael HORNET
            Michael HORNET April 9 2018 10: 03
            +1
            The concept of the PKK, on ​​the contrary, wins. So, the M27 IAR, which is the PKK and is on a different base, of course, has been adopted by the United States ILC. The abandonment of the M249 and its replacement with something like M27 for the army has also been announced.
            And the author -> author -> the author doesn’t know anything in arms, writes all nonsense
            1. bunta
              bunta April 9 2018 10: 23
              0
              these are still flowers. They are already considering the M27 as a DMR.
            2. Conserp
              Conserp April 9 2018 11: 30
              0
              Quote: Michael HORNET
              The concept of the PKK, on ​​the contrary, wins. So, the M27 IAR, which is the PKK and is on a different base, of course, has been adopted by the United States ILC. The abandonment of the M249 and its replacement with something like M27 for the army has also been announced.

              There was nothing of the kind. You just do not understand the issue.

              M27 (HK416) is an ordinary machine gun.

              The ILCs used an administrative loophole: they designated the HK416 as a “machine gun” only in order to carry out procurement under this expense column. They simply could not buy them as machine guns because of the flawed M4 officials and lobbyists tightly imposed.

              And the M249 remains to serve. There was no refusal from them, only the write-off of those who worked out the resource.
              1. Michael HORNET
                Michael HORNET April 9 2018 13: 09
                +1
                And you carefully read the requirements. They will not be removed from the squad, but they will no longer buy new M249s and instead of them - it’s just that the new DMR
                M27 "machine gun" is exactly the same as the "machine gun" RPK - there is NO difference between them
                Only bipods in the RPK are inseparable
                1. Conserp
                  Conserp April 9 2018 15: 39
                  0
                  These are your personal fantasies and pulling an owl on the globe.

                  M27 - an ordinary assault rifle, bought them for the role of an assault rifle - to replace the M4.
      2. Nick
        Nick April 5 2018 17: 49
        +5
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        What does the "infantry" need from the "real" machine gun? The creation of a high density of fire for a long (comparatively ...) time. The cartridge power also matters. RPK-74 cannot "provide" this (however, like a PKK ...) The insufficient "capacity" of the store also causes this, and decently warming barrel, and the inability to replace the barrel in the field .. not to mention the cartridge.

        Then an old RPD comes out better. He has a relatively small weight 7,4 kg. And the caliber is more serious than 7,62, and rate of fire - the density of fire is higher, up to 750 rounds / min. and accuracy is better, and 300 rounds of ammunition in intensive shooting mode allows you to release without overheating the barrel. A little harder to disassemble / assemble, but for an experienced machine gunner this is not a problem. "Fought" urgent with him back in the early 80's, a completely reliable unit.
        1. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich April 5 2018 18: 56
          +5
          Yes, yes! It is better. And shoots with the shutter open, as normal. And I still see him among the fighters of the Strategic Missile Forces accompanying special operations, along with the PKK-74 ...
          I wonder how this under-machine-gun in general came into service?
          Although, according to rumors, they could not create a machine for equipping tapes for 5,45 ...
          1. Nick
            Nick April 7 2018 12: 44
            +2
            Quote: AlNikolaich
            Yes, yes! It is better. And shoots with the shutter open, as normal. And I still see him with the Strategic Missile Forces fighters accompanying special transport,

            And yet I served there! hi soldier
          2. Nick
            Nick April 7 2018 12: 59
            +1
            Quote: AlNikolaich
            Yes, yes! It is better. And shoots with the shutter open, as normal. And I still see him with the Strategic Missile Forces fighters accompanying special transport,

            So I served in the Strategic Rocket Forces! Northern training ground. Pl. 122-I "vagrant". soldier hi
            1. Timeout
              Timeout April 8 2018 09: 25
              +1
              Quote: Nick
              Northern training ground. Pl. 122nd

              Kura, Sary-Shagan, Ashuluk, Kapustin Yar. And which one is North? RPD withdrawn from service in 1959. All available trunks were either transferred to long-term storage warehouses or disposed of, depending on the condition. The Strategic Rocket Forces have no non-standard rifle armament.
          3. Timeout
            Timeout April 8 2018 09: 26
            +1
            Quote: AlNikolaich
            And until now I see him among the fighters of the Strategic Missile Forces accompanying special operations, along with RPK-74 ...

            As well as OTs-14, which you saw at the Vega fighters. No fighters Strategic Rocket Forces RPD.
            1. AlNikolaich
              AlNikolaich April 9 2018 22: 46
              0
              Ots-14, and Vega is not for me, but about the RPD that they have, that is!
              But "Light"
              1. Timeout
                Timeout April 10 2018 04: 05
                0
                Whose words are these?
                Quote: AlNikolaich
                Damn, that's just the part of the BB the first time I saw the Thunderstorm! Year in 98-99. Together with the case!
                (the rest of the times in the game the stalker and on the telly) ...
                Unit: 20 detachment of the special forces detachment of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. Saratov. It seems like it is in service ...

                And here is my question. I did not wait for an answer ...
                Quote: Timeout
                Dear decide which year! If 1998, then the 20th SPN did not exist yet, but there was GOS “Werewolf” 34th OBRON from Bogorodsk. And the 20th SPG Vega was formed in February 1999, on the basis of the BB regiment (military unit 7463), which has standard weapons in the state.

                Quote: AlNikolaich
                But "Light"

                Well, in the military unit 42612 of the 1707th turn (now it’s just BOR). The 2nd company (security company) is engaged in cargo support. Photos of fighters RO (platoon escort) of different times:

                And where are the RPDs ... They’re probably hiding.
          4. Michael HORNET
            Michael HORNET April 9 2018 10: 04
            0
            The PKK appeared in the concept of maneuverable war, its hobby is the minimum mass
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 6 2018 00: 32
          +3
          And I "seriously" like RPD! We had an 1-2 RPD in the armament in our armament’s battery .... so I’m a bit familiar with it in person! And what kind of tuning did the RPD in the USA! A sight for sore eyes! You can "google" ....
          1. Michael HORNET
            Michael HORNET April 9 2018 10: 45
            0
            RPD under 6,5 Grendel and with full-time optics would be a very good tool, if, of course, the 6,5 cartridge became a single
    2. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET April 9 2018 09: 56
      +1
      And why do people who don’t understand the belmez in the subject of the article give them to write on this resource ??? For self-discredit?
      The monstrous misunderstanding of everything related to small arms
  2. tchoni
    tchoni April 5 2018 06: 14
    +16
    The author clearly did not hold the PKK in his hands. Especially if it draws parallels with AK-15 chambered for 7.62x, 39 with RPK-74 ...
    1. Yrec
      Yrec April 5 2018 09: 33
      +20
      After the machine gun, shooting from the PKK is just a fairy tale. You don’t have to shoot long bursts of it - he has very accurate fire. Almost a sniper rifle.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni April 5 2018 11: 25
        +6
        Quote: Yrec
        After the machine gun, shooting from the PKK is just a fairy tale. You don’t have to shoot long bursts of it - he has very accurate fire. Almost a sniper rifle.

        I completely agree. Much more accurate than an assault rifle, even in caliber 5.45
        1. Michael HORNET
          Michael HORNET April 9 2018 10: 46
          +2
          RPK-74 and the current RPK-16 is a Marxman support tool. He needs a sight to realize all his capabilities and with him is a very effective weapon.
      2. Per se.
        Per se. April 5 2018 14: 16
        +7
        Quote: Yrec
        Almost sniper rifle.
        In principle, it would be possible to make weapons for infantry snipers from the PKK (English Designated marksman, Marxman). The best arrows with optics and modified PKK in combat formations of infantry. It seems that early Roman buries the PKK, although, as a light machine gun, it might, indeed, better be resurrected by the renewed RPD. In the photo RPK 203.
        1. tracer
          tracer April 5 2018 22: 55
          +4
          I loved him very much at the exits. Svd is heavy and uncomfortable. He took the PKK, he grasped the sight from the SVD, shot two hundred meters of a direct shot and ran .. Where the distances were not large normally and ammunition can always get hold of it and it’s more accurate and further on the machine gun. It is possible to clap one's neck, and even when one can once think off it is possible in a mess.
          A compact store wouldn’t hurt him.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 April 6 2018 17: 53
            +2
            Quote: tracer
            I took the PKK caught the sight from the SVD, shot two hundred meters of a direct shot and ran

            In fact, on the PKK, as on AK PSO-1 practically does not sit. It is necessary to seriously bend the cover of the receiver, for which not every company will give the go-ahead. But PGO sat down quite successfully. This is my experience. Maybe you have another PSO ...... or exits in the wrong direction ...
            1. Timeout
              Timeout April 7 2018 12: 24
              +2
              Quote: ARES623
              Maybe you have another PSO ...... or exits in the wrong direction ...

              Colleague, do not be surprised! This is a person from another team. "Canadian" sofa shooter.
            2. Per se.
              Per se. April 7 2018 15: 38
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              Quote: ARES623
              In fact, on the PKK, like AK AK PSO-1 practically does not sit
              This is a topic.
              JI for SVD differs from JI for AK only by the bracket. On AK, it is worn from the butt and shifts in front of the stop. On SVD vice versa. This does not mean that the SVDshny sight cannot be fastened on the AK. Just the focus of the SVDshny sight is in the front and if you put it on the AK - then the shot will shift the sight all the time forward. Still, - the sight sits too low, the illumination lamp rests against the receiver cover. Standard sights are closed. The sight is shifted back, not comfortable, too close to the eye.
              The output is the installation of the adapter. If you buy, then "The cost of the adapter, though not very humane, about two thousand rubles. And the weight of course leaves much to be desired. It feels like it is cast from cast iron." In the photo adapter (Community ›Man Shooting› Blog ›PSO-1 and AK)
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 April 7 2018 15: 55
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                Quote: Per se.
                The output is found by installing the adapter. If you buy, then "The cost of the adapter, though not very humane, is about two thousand rubles.

                Looking at today's store, I agree that you can even buy picatini for Tsar Cannon. I was responsible for the company management in the late 80s. Then there was no such abundance. Therefore, postscript is my experience. But to be honest, there wasn’t much need for a sight. I shot a company at each shooting practice and the platoons involved in this. And this is 3 times a week. Six months later, if not quite a krivoruk, then you shoot the UKS no worse than good. Yes, no one on the test and would not have allowed to shoot using emergency adaptations. And on business trips, he was usually busy with more important things than hunting. Hunt assigned BUT or sniper. Yes .... there were times .... God forbid.
            3. gross kaput
              gross kaput April 7 2018 16: 38
              +2
              Well, not quite like that, the side bars on the AK changed quite often, for example, the bar on the AKML is thick enough as a result, the sight sits farther to the left and the “candle” (backlight) the PSO slips, albeit end-to-end, to the edges of the lid. On AKMN, AK74N can cling to a candle, it all depends on the bar and the sight of the candle. On the RPK74N and AK74M, the PSO rises - their lid is smooth and the bar is thick plus at RPK74N the thickness of the sheet from which the box is stamped is larger i.e. the scope is tilted further to the left.
              But this is so, a warm-up for the mind, many years ago, faced such nonsense - crossing RPK74N with PSO1, the first ambush that awaits when placing it is placing the focus of the sight from sliding - on the SVD the sight is fixed by the front focus and on night AK-shaped staffing night lights are fixed from sliding due to the emphasis of the rear part of the mount on the rear end of the bar, two problems arise from this - the first is quite easy to solve - the standard retainer on the PSO crown is removed and the back rest is made - the question of which commander will allow the official property to be fenced o leave out of brackets. But the second problem for our Canadian super-commandos is not known - and it is much worse than the latch on the wrong side and cannot be solved on the knee - it calls out the exit pupil removal or airelif according to non-nasal - well so this is why SVJ has such a long and curly side bar ? Everything is simple - since nightlights, starting with the NSPU, are universal for the entire line of small arms and grenade launchers, a nightlight is placed on the back of the SVD bar (at the same distance as the AK) to ensure the correct position of the head of the shooting range - so it is at a normal distance from the eye of the shooter, but the longer PSO, which also has greater removal of the exit pupil, is placed on the front of the SVD bar, if it is placed on the RPK (AK) then the eyepiece of the sight is too close to the eye, as a result the head falls on deviates greatly ago as a result of any of a normal tab out of the question as well, and on the impact of fire. In fact, there are a few more nuances why trying to blindfold a sniper from the PKK is an unpromising idea, but it's stupidly lazy to paint it.
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 April 7 2018 16: 44
                +1
                Quote: gross kaput
                But it is, a workout for the mind

                Thanks for the valuable experience. It’s useful or not - I don’t know, but all the same - respect ... wink
                1. Michael HORNET
                  Michael HORNET April 9 2018 10: 51
                  0
                  If you put aside stupid things with the adaptation of PSO and immediately put a normal 1-4x24 scope with a bracket, for example, from a refinery, then the efficiency increases dramatically
                  Yukon Huntsman 1-4x24
  3. Yak28
    Yak28 April 5 2018 06: 28
    +6
    Naturally, the RPK is under-machine gun that loses to all the bands in terms of fire density, that RPD looked presentable. Of course, the RPK is reliable, and that the western samples are not reliable, do they fall apart in your hands?
    We have the feeling that the main thing for small arms is to work after they dumped it in the mud, accuracy, accuracy, fire density, convenience, a capacious magazine, modern sights, this is all the tenth thing.
    As for me, it's high time to make a light machine gun with loose tape.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 5 2018 07: 45
      +11
      Yes ... RPK now has two main advantages - a light cartridge and the lack of tape. That is, you can collect more light submachine gun cartridges than rifle cartridges, and stuffing horns is not like stuffing a tape (without a typewriter). For small, mobile groups-PKK-thing.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout April 5 2018 08: 31
        +5
        Quote: Yak28
        with loose tape.

        It’s necessary to send to battle, try to fill loose tape ...
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        and stuffing horns is not like stuffing a tape (without a typewriter).

        That would be to see how long it will live.
      2. Yak28
        Yak28 April 5 2018 17: 42
        0
        You need a screw or drum magazine, there is too little cartridge in the horn
      3. tracer
        tracer April 6 2018 00: 21
        0
        I said yes, theorists are all.
    2. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse April 5 2018 16: 12
      0
      The tape is heavier than the horn. And more problematic. The Americans are now urging the abandonment of the M249 (Minimi), the Marines are complaining that there are five times more failures than the M-16, and primarily because of the tape. They are especially enraged by the end of the tape that suddenly slipped out and hid in a box during reloading in battle.
      1. Grid
        Grid April 7 2018 03: 44
        +1
        The tape is heavier than the horn.

        Yeah. She has links, damn it, from the superheavy imperium.
    3. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET April 9 2018 17: 31
      +1
      Pelemet 5.45 under the tape is not needed. Quite
  4. bunta
    bunta April 5 2018 07: 13
    +21
    Sorry, but an article in the style of a profane from a rifleman named Ulanov with his machine-gun drama. From the fact that the machine gun is called a sub-machine gun, nothing in the world will change. Entropy will be added. To ensure that entropy does not turn the world into chaos, standards exist. GOST 28653-90 n. 38-39 Machine gun, Machine gun:
    Automatic small arms for continuous continuous firing, the design of which provides for the use of support for firing. Machine gun, the design of which is provided as the main position for firing, machine gun support on the bipod and buttstock emphasis on the shoulder
    Everything else is from the evil one.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya April 5 2018 07: 26
      +7
      But does the PKK allow "continuous continuous fire"? He has an irreplaceable barrel, front whispering and a small-capacity magazine. As for Pecheneg and RMB, then leave Pecheneg and RMB send for storage. In the manual version, the Pecheneg should be left in service with the squads and platoons, and in the easel version, the mouth and battalions should be in service.
      1. Oden280
        Oden280 April 5 2018 07: 51
        0
        Pecheneg is about 1,5-2 times more expensive than PCM because of the technologies used in it. In addition, it is necessary to update the machine park under it. And so, in fact, these two machine guns are the main ones in the army. They get rid of the PKK as soon as possible.
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya April 5 2018 07: 57
          +6
          In Pecheneg, the trunk is original and expensive, if you believe the sources of Moscow Region, then Pecheneg and PKM have 80% common details. Well, if you are so anxious about saving money, then you can make a Pecheneg as a light machine gun, and as an easel PKM, all the more so because the PCM has a replaceable barrel, which makes it harder to complete with spare trunks, but it also allows for more intense fire than Pecheneg.
          1. Oden280
            Oden280 April 5 2018 10: 37
            0
            MO says a lot. Similar, does not mean common. Due to the intense thermal conditions on the Pecheneg, almost all the details were recycled. And it is the presence of one barrel that allows him to conduct more intense shooting than a PC. They will saturate the troops with machine guns, where people themselves will figure out where to attach whom.
            1. Kot_Kuzya
              Kot_Kuzya April 5 2018 10: 38
              0
              And it is the presence of one barrel that allows him to conduct more intense shooting than a PC
              And if there are two more spare shafts in the PCM kit? Who can shoot longer?
              1. Oden280
                Oden280 April 5 2018 10: 43
                +1
                On a PC, you need to change the barrel after a tape of 200 rounds or allow it to cool if you do not want to screw it up. The Pecheneg fires 500 to 600 rounds of ammunition in a continuous burst. But in fact, the time for changing the tape is enough to cool.
                1. Kot_Kuzya
                  Kot_Kuzya April 5 2018 10: 49
                  +1
                  Do you believe that? Maxim after shooting 600 rounds of water, boiled water.
                  1. Oden280
                    Oden280 April 5 2018 10: 50
                    +4
                    I can say a professional user of different shooters. But Maxim’s steel and barrel thickness was made on the basis of 19th-century technology.
                  2. Grid
                    Grid April 10 2018 04: 51
                    0
                    Maxim after shooting 600 rounds of water, boiled water.

                    So what?
            2. Michael HORNET
              Michael HORNET April 9 2018 18: 10
              0
              Pecheneg differs from PKM only in trunk. There are no more differences, except due to the new barrel (handle, bipod, etc.)
              Pecheneg is more than twice as heavy as RPK-74 with BK
              Its use as a branch machine gun is still in the nature of legends
              1. Oden280
                Oden280 April 9 2018 19: 15
                0
                You look at the Syrian shootings or at the video from the II Chechen. Are there many PKK? And the same thing is not noticeable from the exercises. RPK as a machine gun - nothing, but as a machine gun too heavy. Pechenegs are still rare, but there is enough PC.
      2. bunta
        bunta April 5 2018 08: 50
        +9
        And what prohibits? NSD, for example, does not prohibit this machine gun or machine gun. GOST defines the features of the construct, according to which there can be no disputed interpretations. In contrast to the metaphysical "duration-continuity", regarding what, excuse me? The measure should be clear.
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya April 5 2018 09: 27
          +10
          In fact, NSDs are written based on the capabilities of armed forces in the army. They will take Pecheneg instead of the PKK, then they will rewrite the NSD under the TTX of Pecheneg. And so it is clear that in the army, which is armed with the PKK, such NSDs will be written. You do not confuse a consequence with the reason. There is a reason (RPK), there is a consequence (NSD), and not vice versa, when machine guns are adopted for arming, fitting under NSD. Moreover, continuous fire can be fired from AK. Therefore, according to your logic, is an AK a machine gun if continuous fire can be fired from it according to the NSD?
          Apparently, for you these are people for the law, and not laws for people?
    2. avt
      avt April 5 2018 08: 06
      +6
      Quote: bunta
      From the fact that the machine gun is called a sub-machine gun, nothing in the world will change.

      what Indeed. Somehow after reading
      And why then do you need this under-machine gun?
      I recalled one commentator on the site who introduced the concept - ,, carabiner cartridges "Well, a hundred-a-arine song
      Quote: Yak28
      As for me, it's high time to make a light machine gun with loose tape.

      Lanta! Lanta come on! bully
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      For small, mobile groups-PKK-thing.

      Tell me with a snail instead of a ribbon! Heretic! To the fire! bully
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 5 2018 08: 38
        +2
        It is with the "snail" .... drinks
        1. Timeout
          Timeout April 5 2018 08: 40
          +2
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          It is with the "snail" ....

          Tambourine is not a trend for them!))
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat April 5 2018 08: 58
            +5
            But how "manly" looks .... between the "legs" of the machine gun, wink just like .... "these are the same" .... but the "gay men" have almost all the defense ministers-dubs, moreover, the feminists have "bells" not in favor ... laughing
            1. Timeout
              Timeout April 5 2018 09: 05
              +5
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              "bells" are not in favor ...

              That's for sure. They are "herring under a fur coat" closer!))
            2. pogis
              pogis April 5 2018 18: 57
              0
              Yes, you are a pervert my friend! Why did this idea not occur to me, probably because I did not stand on the line of fire and did not appreciate the view from the front. good
  5. Micfoster
    Micfoster April 5 2018 08: 26
    +4
    But what about RPK-16? Why then try to introduce it?
    1. Timeout
      Timeout April 5 2018 08: 35
      +1
      Quote: Micfoster
      But what about RPK-16? Why then try to introduce it?

      It is not accessible to them for understanding ...
    2. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse April 5 2018 16: 17
      0
      Quote: Micfoster
      But what about RPK-16? Why then try to introduce it

      Eeee .. for example, to get money for implementation :)
  6. Chichikov
    Chichikov April 5 2018 08: 42
    +4
    Yo-ma-yo! Already an expert on weapons ...
  7. Curious
    Curious April 5 2018 09: 06
    +18
    A comment: "The author clearly did not hold the PKK in his hands."
    Apparently, not only the PKK.
    Quote from the article.
    "In" Manual on small business. "The 7,62 mm Kalashnikov machine gun (RPK, RPKS)" from 1983 contains interesting figures if anyone did not know.
    Yes, they relate to the PKK, but I do not think that things are better for the PKK-74.
    Combat rate:
    - up to 150 shots per minute - when shooting in bursts, one minute, followed by cooling for at least 5 minutes.
    - up to 50 shots per minute - when shooting single.
    - no more than 200 rounds in 3 minutes or 300 rounds in five minutes. "

    In the “Manual on the small business. 7,62 mm Kalashnikov machine gun (RPK, RPKS)” from 1983 there are no such numbers if anyone did not know. Rather, there they are somewhat different. Open the indicated "Manual".

    As you can see, there is not a word about any interruptions in shooting in the “Manual”. There are none of them in the "Guide ..." to RPK-74. But these figures are in the Wikipedia article, from where the author, apparently, draws information. Where the author of the Wikipedia article took this data is covered in dense darkness. Using Wikipedia alone is not an expert.
    1. KP8789
      KP8789 April 5 2018 09: 59
      +9
      What to do to the "poor" author since he is poorly versed in weapons. So he turns to Wikipedia, the favorite source of knowledge of modern journalism. The author publishes daily on Military Review an article on small arms and ammunition, “scribbles” a Kalashnikov assault rifle and, most importantly, does not overheat. Here are just a few articles to write, you need to understand what you are writing about, and also read what knowledgeable people write in the comments.
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    3. BAI
      BAI April 5 2018 10: 35
      +2
      Perhaps shooting breaks were taken from here.


      But this is a slightly different machine gun.
      1. Curious
        Curious April 5 2018 10: 51
        +2
        Neither in the "Manual .." on the PC, even in the "Manual ..." on the RPD there are no such numbers.
        1. BAI
          BAI April 5 2018 13: 20
          0
          Pay attention to the cover and the phrase
          But this is a slightly different machine gun.

          look at the photo of the pages - we are talking about different documents.
          1. Curious
            Curious April 5 2018 13: 36
            +1
            What am I talking about? You gave an example from the "Manual ..." on the PC, but I from the "Manual ..." on the RPD - Degtyarev machine gun. So to say, it expanded the information base. What's the question?
            1. BAI
              BAI April 5 2018 14: 12
              0
              The machine guns are different. After all, it’s you who insist on
              Neither in the "Manual .." on the PC, even in the "Manual ..." on the RPD there are no such numbers.

              After all, you had a question:
              Where did the author of the article take this data?

              I am trying to explain that an error may have occurred. We looked at the description of one machine gun, and talked about another. After all, these machine guns are very similar.
              1. Curious
                Curious April 5 2018 14: 26
                0
                And I'm trying to explain that in none of the available "Instructions ..." to machine guns, starting from RPD-46 there are no such numbers. That DP-27 and Lewis did not watch, I confess.
                1. BAI
                  BAI April 5 2018 17: 43
                  0
                  Well, I emphasize (literally) that I agree that there are no numbers, but a cooling break is required at least for PC, PCS, PCB and PCT.
                  If you take the text literally, numbers from Wikipedia.
                  Very similar, but without specific cooling time - in the "Legal Corner of an officer of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation"
                  Surely, there is a “document” between the Manual and Wiki, where they crossed a hedgehog with a hedgehog (TTX of different types of weapons), from where they stuck the information in Wiki, and then it began to spread from there.
                  I searched here, but found the number "5 minutes" only in 3 places: on Wiki, in this article and in the same article by the same author but on army-news.ru
                  But I cannot unequivocally say that these numbers do not exist if I did not find them in a short time.

                  1. Curious
                    Curious April 5 2018 22: 02
                    +1
                    So I did not argue that there are no such figures anywhere at all. I claimed that they are not in the “Instructions ...”, as the author claims. In addition, you imagine a machine gunner deflecting an attack with a stopwatch. He shot a minute and shouted: 'Smoke break, guys, my trunk should cool down. "
  8. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 5 2018 09: 53
    +8
    What the argument is unclear. Instead of AK-74 will be AK-12. Instead of RPK -74, there will be RPK-16. A light machine gun in the infantry squad is not a superfluous thing from the word at all. A 45 store is generally a thing and even a shooter would not refuse it. And in parts with AKSU (RViA, for example), a light machine gun is generally uncontested.
  9. BAI
    BAI April 5 2018 10: 06
    +3
    For some reason, new models of small arms are very tightly armed.
    In 2009 he was at an event of Rosoboronexport. It was presented 15 - 20 new weapons: from a pistol to a hand grenade launcher. Nothing has been taken into service (from the word at all) from what was then presented there.
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut April 5 2018 20: 04
      +2
      Just presented the new military did not impress. Why waste money?
  10. Engineer
    Engineer April 5 2018 10: 17
    +7
    I always read with pleasure the intricacies of Roman's thoughts in articles and amaze how hot and salty can be compared. 42nd compare with the PKK - is it from what such considerations in principle? It’s funny, of course, but after the article about RPK-16 I was directly waiting for an article about the obsolete RPK-74 to appear
    1. tracer
      tracer April 6 2018 14: 20
      0
      Novel sometimes Zhzhot! But he is our "son of a bitch" so "who is not without sin"? RPKS was beyond competition ... I changed to SVD when the exit was planned. In zelenka one horseradish is sometimes not visible at all point blank range and slopes at a short distance of 300 meters can be safely shot through. The optics were removed from my SVD and molded on a machine gun. And that’s it ... Now, as a competent person, I’ll tell you a secret .. control question for those who used it where it is needed and sometimes it is simply necessary. What did you do with the PKK before going out? PRIVATE ANSWER: tied the bipod so that they do not ring. I personally knitted with a red rubber band. A piece cut off on purpose. Otherwise, they ring like a cavalry saber, and at dawn this ringing is heard like a bell. A barmaley need to sleep. And before they hear a lot of "alarms" they do not want to wake up.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput April 6 2018 22: 29
        -1
        Quote: tracer
        and molded on a machine gun.

        On the blue electrical tape? Poke a finger to spend on RPKS, you can hang optics, and most importantly, how then to hang up an unfortunate PSO on SVD? Why explain - or will you ask yourself a question?
        1. Timeout
          Timeout April 7 2018 12: 12
          0
          Hello namesake! Well comrade "tracer" in his repertoire. Sofa pros.
        2. Michael HORNET
          Michael HORNET April 9 2018 18: 15
          0
          Well, if you want (and the availability of money) on the RPKS (even if there is no side bar) to put optics does not represent the slightest problem. Abnormally, of course;) that is, optics and a cover will have to be bought at your own expense. But put - you can
        3. tracer
          tracer April 15 2018 02: 08
          0



          Hold brother. If you don’t understand something, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. And I am a former warrior but not a couch.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout April 16 2018 04: 18
            0
            Quote: tracer
            Hold brother. If you don’t understand something, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. And I am a former warrior but not a couch.

            Dear, do not post something that you do not even suspect. The sight is an oil refinery 4 * 24. Designed for Saiga or Boar, sits on the RPK-74M without any problems. Once again they proved their worthlessness as a sniper ... They did not even deign to study the issue normally. Proof on the comment to the photo: https://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/85/1174908-2.h
            tml
            from the owner of this MMG. Divinity is not refuted!
            1. tracer
              tracer April 20 2018 06: 11
              0
              I did not claim that in the PSO Photo 1. Just dovetail mounts are the same, including the height with the extension from the center. Tell me more about another battery. This, of course, will greatly change the matter.
              1. Timeout
                Timeout April 23 2018 09: 51
                0
                Quote: tracer
                Just dovetail mounts are the same,

                “Dear,” tryndet enough. Gross chewed you clearly in the comments above:
                Quote: gross kaput
                the first ambush that awaits when crushing is the placement of the sight stop from sliding - on the SVD the sight is fixed with the front stop and on night AK-shaped ones the nightlight is fixedly fixed from slipping due to the stop of the back of the mount at the rear end of the bar, two problems follow from this - the first is quite easy solvable - the staff retainer on the PSO crown is removed and backward emphasis is made - the question of which commander will allow the government property to be fenced will be left out of brackets.

                Very popularly explained.
  11. DesToeR
    DesToeR April 5 2018 11: 03
    +2
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    Well, if you are so anxious about saving money, then you can make a Pecheneg as a light machine gun, and as an easel PKM, all the more so because the PCM has a replaceable barrel, which makes it harder to complete with spare trunks, but it also allows for more intense fire than Pecheneg.

    So the point in the Pecheneg machine gun is precisely to abandon the spare barrel, because machine-gun crew can take additional ammunition into battle instead of the barrel itself.
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    And if there are two more spare shafts in the PCM kit? Who can shoot longer?

    The one with the most ammunition. In battle, the machine gunner will have nothing to “continuously” and “intensively” shoot if the crew hasn’t taken extra ammunition. No need to apply the logic of using machine guns at roadblocks to actions in the fields. The Pecheneg is capable of firing (efficiently) the entire ammunition load (600 rounds) in one continuous burst. Why then an interchangeable barrel?
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    In fact, NSDs are written based on the capabilities of armed forces in the army.

    So weapons, from the very beginning, are created under the technical assignment of the military!
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya April 5 2018 11: 30
      +5
      Now is not the era of WWII, and no one will carry an easel machine gun across the battlefield. The machine gun is just at stationary posts and is standing. Especially now, each compartment goes to an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle, which has both a machine gun and a gun.
      So weapons, from the very beginning, are created under the technical assignment of the military!

      You do not confuse the TTT military to weapons, and NSD!
  12. konstantin68
    konstantin68 April 5 2018 11: 27
    +7
    Quote: Yrec
    After the machine gun, shooting from the PKK is just a fairy tale. You don’t have to shoot long bursts of it - he has very accurate fire. Almost a sniper rifle.

    I agree with you! Half a year ran back with him. I can’t say anything but good! Shot from it every day, a reliable, accurate weapon, although it looks like an automatic overgrowth!
  13. Vladimir Kazakov
    Vladimir Kazakov April 5 2018 11: 33
    +7
    How does the editorial staff miss such articles? Neither thesis nor facts .... The topic is not disclosed. And if the comparison of rpk-74 and ak-15 were in the first paragraph, I would not read !!! Stupidity!
    1. would
      would April 8 2018 04: 43
      +2
      And the author is the direct editor, Roman Skomorokhov, aka Banshi, is the administrator of Topvar. Will he not miss himself? lol
  14. Forever so
    Forever so April 5 2018 11: 37
    +2
    so to sell to the population, to fight off policemen, crime, collectors, but today you never know any scum has bred in the Jewish market. most importantly, no one will drag him along the streets. Well, if only at the next meeting of the servants of the people to drive up.
    1. mejik
      mejik April 5 2018 19: 08
      0
      They’ve been selling for a long time, by the way. Carbine "VPO 134 Boar" 34.trub
      https://www.tiger-gun.ru/catalog/ohotnichie/narez
      noe/karabin_vepr_3v_vpo_134_k_7_62kh39_l_590/
  15. DesToeR
    DesToeR April 5 2018 11: 45
    +1
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    Now is not the era of WWII, and no one will carry an easel machine gun across the battlefield.

    Are you serious? So easel PKM or "Pecheneg" becomes only on the machine, and so they drag themselves completely.
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    You do not confuse the TTT military to weapons, and NSD!

    So there is nothing to confuse. TTT come out long before the advent of NSD, it is under the TTT that weapons are created. And if the military adopted one or another type of weapon, it must comply with the TTT. That means 150 rounds per minute with automatic fire and 50 single ones fully complies with military requirements for a light machine gun.
  16. hohol95
    hohol95 April 5 2018 12: 46
    +3
    Yuri Ponomarev
    RPK74M
    25 shots of reliability
    The design of the current Kalashnikov light machine gun provides incredible
    reliability of automation, allowing you to achieve a resource of 25 shots at the maximum
    possible shooting mode. At the same time, there are practically no delays or breakdowns, even small parts.
    The barrel of a machine gun can withstand up to 50 shots.
  17. Curious
    Curious April 5 2018 12: 58
    +2
    “Actually, any product from the LMG family is just an assault rifle with an elongated barrel and an increased-capacity magazine. Say that the British L86, German MG36, and our PKK are full machine guns, this is, nevertheless, to offend a machine gun.
    Well, the German and the British are already in history, and the PKK itself too. Remained here, RPK-74, which is even less machine gun than the ancestor. "

    Interesting. did the author hear something about the M249 SAW or ČZ 805 Bren? Or about Fort -401?
  18. Operator
    Operator April 5 2018 16: 06
    0
    In accordance with the Soviet GOST for small arms, the term "automatic" means an automatic carbine.

    Therefore, the Soviet term "machine gun" means an automatic rifle.

    Those. RPK is never a machine gun, but just a golem rifle under an intermediate / low-pulse cartridge, therefore, in the RPK file - you give Pecheneg with ejector barrel cooling.
  19. Catfish
    Catfish April 5 2018 16: 14
    +2
    Quote: Curious
    “Actually, any product from the LMG family is just an assault rifle with an elongated barrel and an increased-capacity magazine. Say that the British L86, German MG36, and our PKK are full machine guns, this is, nevertheless, to offend a machine gun.
    Well, the German and the British are already in history, and the PKK itself too. Remained here, RPK-74, which is even less machine gun than the ancestor. "

    Interesting. did the author hear something about the M249 SAW or ČZ 805 Bren? Or about Fort -401?


    There are so many people, so many opinions. In my opinion, the M249, with its barrel and a “bullet, is also not a very machine gun. But as for Fort - 401, there is no information. If there are details, then share it, if possible.
    As for the PKK, the infantry is the one to decide. I really only know AKMS, for three years I’ve seen enough and I respect the cartridge 7,62x39 with great respect. But here specifically to each user. hi
    1. Curious
      Curious April 5 2018 16: 36
      +1
      "But as for Fort - 401, there is no information."
      Licensed "Negev".
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  21. Yak28
    Yak28 April 5 2018 17: 40
    +3
    Quote: Timeout
    It’s necessary to send to battle, try to fill loose tape ...

    Why fill the loose ribbon in battle, you need to supply the army with ready-packed ribbons, and not poke around your knees in the old fashioned way, the 21st century already, you have to keep up with the times. Plus the loose ribbon does not hang with a dead weight and automation works better with it. a small capacity, and he loses the tape, of course, if you put drum or auger magazines of a larger capacity, then you can compare with a tape machine gun.
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya April 6 2018 01: 22
      0
      In theory, this is certainly good, as well as supplying loaded stores to the army, rather than zinc with cartridges. Well, what if the soldiers with machine guns had only tapes left, and the soldiers with machine guns had only shops left?
      1. would
        would April 8 2018 04: 45
        +1
        if soldiers with machine guns had only ribbons left, and soldiers with machine guns had only shops left?


        1. Change

        2. The supply of bulk tapes in no way cancels the presence of cartridges and ordinary reusable years. No loose? Equip the usual.
        1. Kot_Kuzya
          Kot_Kuzya April 8 2018 05: 17
          +1
          Do you charge stores one at a time? In fact, stores are loaded with clips. And the tapes are charged with Rakov’s cars. Especially if the ribbons are loose, then you collect the horseradish tape.
          1. would
            would April 9 2018 04: 21
            +2
            I charge, including one at a time, if the store is a standard two-row, then no problems. If someone cannot charge a standard store one at a time, then I have a lot of questions for him. As well as those who were able to fall in love with all the clips.

            Loose ribbons are offered to be collected only by you. I suggest

            No loose? Equip the usual


            Well, if, hypothetically, your fighters, along with clips, also like a car ... umm .... I don’t even know what to say. I know more precisely, but this is not according to the rules of the site.
            1. Grid
              Grid April 10 2018 04: 56
              0
              Well, if, hypothetically, your fighters, along with clips, also like a car ...

              These can ... Those are still stars. ;)
          2. Grid
            Grid April 10 2018 04: 58
            +1
            Do you charge stores one at a time?

            What's the problem? The standard for store equipment, if sclerosis doesn’t change me, is 30 seconds. I personally know the figures who managed to block it twice.
  22. brn521
    brn521 April 5 2018 19: 27
    0
    If the PKK is a manual submachine gun, then the PKP and PKM on the bipods are submachine guns. To become manual, a machine gun must be able to fire from unstable positions, have store food in addition to tape, and be more compact. So that the fighter with him in most cases could solve the same problems as other machine gunners.
    RPK - this is the same strengthening of individual weapons as an underbarrel grenade launcher or optical sight. Whereas the easel machine gun on the bipod, SVD, RPG, etc. replace individual weapons are not capable.
  23. brr1
    brr1 April 5 2018 21: 01
    0
    Quote: Timeout
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Creating a high density of fire for a long (comparative ...) time.

    Alas, the PKK and the like are intended for maneuverable combat. So only for support due to density in a short period of time.
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    and decently warming trunk, and the inability to replace the trunk in the field ..

    Try to change the trunk during a maneuverable battle. The RPK trunk allows you to release 5-6 stores in a short time without much overheating.
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    not to mention the cartridge.

    The cartridge is no worse than others. Modern ones like 7N20, 22 and 7N34 undergoing military trials fully meet current requirements. For the task of these cartridges is not to kill, but to cause maximum injury. The wounded enemy no longer fights, but also consumes resources intensively. 70% of wounds in the limb with a small-caliber cartridge, a deliberate disability.

    You are very cruel
    1. Timeout
      Timeout April 6 2018 03: 55
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      Quote: brr1
      You are very cruel

      It's not me like that, life is like that ...
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput April 6 2018 22: 55
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        Hi, I haven’t looked into this reserve a long time ago, a paradox, but people discuss topics themselves, being absolutely “off topic” laughing
        With regards to the PKK (74), you are absolutely right - the thing is for short-term support of your squad in short, but trying to convey this idea to the fighters of computer shooters is a futile business.
        With regards to the "sucker" himself raised by the author of these articles - to his school urgently, or rather to study the mechanisms of rearmament.
        It’s not for the author’s house that the adoption of weapons does not mean the beginning of mass production and entry into the army - for starters, the samples should be included in the staffing table on the basis of which the procuring agency of the Moscow Region (formerly the Grau and now Kh.Z. who) determines the needs and schedule for re-equipment and only then money is allocated (or not) and the state is opened. production order. Who saw the staff? “No, so where are all these cries from?” Maybe the government order for a fuev cloud of new AK and AEK passed? Also do not hear. Sufferers will be interested to know that RPG29 was adopted in 1989. but he didn’t enter the troops and was not mass-produced for the USSR / RF Defense Ministry. The AN-94 was put into service in 1997 but was practically released in a small series of several thousand pieces for trial operation and production is currently not in progress (equipment, rigging and trained personnel) are either re-profiled or poher. and if with abakan one of the reasons was financial, then the main problem for the vampire was the organizational and staff schedule - there was no corny where to stick him in the staff of the MCP.
        1. Timeout
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          Quote: gross kaput
          With regards to the "sucker" himself raised by the author of these articles - to his school urgently, or rather to study the mechanisms of rearmament.

          Hello again, namesake (see post above)! laughing And who will study? Sofa analysts? Okay, you're special in this business, you worked directly with iron. So to me, all this science has reached only 5 years of service. So, we will listen to the angry clicking of clavs.
          1. gross kaput
            gross kaput April 7 2018 16: 45
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            And you don’t cough, all these chewing AK / RPK / M16 are already tired
            Quote: Timeout
            worked directly with iron

            Yeah, and now I am slowly sculpting within the framework of the law, here I am teaching slowly the SVT to work reliably, shoot accurately, and be more convenient to use.
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              Quote: gross kaput
              I'm learning SVT

              Aw, what kind of crowns? The cheek is valid.
              1. gross kaput
                gross kaput April 8 2018 14: 58
                -1
                Crowns of my design, I didn’t want to disfigure the historic thing with reworked holes / grooves; therefore, it is placed in its regular grooves instead of the box cover, a uniform and rigid position is ensured by lateral slats that simultaneously clamp the box wall between the plank and the crown and pull the crowns all the way back, well and manufacturing individually to a specific rifle as accurately as possible to the actual size of the box. As a result, everything sits tightly, tightly clamps, after disassembling the assembly, the STP care is not significant - in fact, you can only find a 100 meter care by drawing out the STP, it is just not visible visually. The cheek is part of the make-up box, and the store from SVD - it was still fun to marry him with a light - but it works much more reliably than his own, and it costs 5 times cheaper.
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                  Then I look, I have not seen anything like it anywhere else. Well done, what to say! Really a lot of work. But when you finish your finish, it is not known ...
  24. groks
    groks April 5 2018 21: 17
    +5
    The author drives nonsense for a day. Why is it written, why is it published?
    Does the author want to give money for niobium steel so that the barrel works at any temperature? "No money, but you hold on."
    Does the author want to give money to develop something new? "There is no money, but you hold on." Ten years will take half the budget.
    Does the author compare our army with the US army? "No money, but you hold on."
    Recently, no one even thought about returning 7,62x39. Either a solid 5,45, or something new. But apparently they decided to dispose of the accumulations of old cartridges. "No money, but you hold on."
    The author suggests loading pistols as well, and what about machine guns? To simplify the logistics, yeah.
    Machine guns only in the movie threshed without interruption from the pistol distance. Why then machines?
    And the difference between a machine gun and a machine gun can not be seen only by one who has never tried to shoot from them. At least one turn.
    Total The author openly lobbies for KK. Do not forget to pour mud on everything Soviet. What the hell ?!
  25. Glory1974
    Glory1974 April 5 2018 21: 55
    +1
    Yes, they relate to the PKK, but I do not think that things are better for the PKK-74.

    It is a masterpiece!
    Translated: "I don’t know what performance characteristics of the" Lada ", but the" Muscovite "such and such, so we do not need Lada."
    And what, it was weak to find the performance characteristics of RPK-74 and compare?
  26. Sasha75
    Sasha75 April 5 2018 23: 08
    +2
    Experts gathered again for the reason that they do not know what and for what it was developed, what problems were solved at the time of adoption of this model of weapon for arming. The main and main tasks the weapon performs. Minimum time for training, minimum production costs and, most importantly, ease of maintenance and reliability, like any AK. And do not forget about the mass and price for the army, which was preparing for the THIRD WORLD. And so to weight the sights to put a cartridge of high penetration that's all.
  27. Cannonball
    Cannonball April 5 2018 23: 30
    +5
    Article from the evil one.
    You can not compare the PKK and RPK-74 with PKM and Pecheneg. If only because these are machine guns of a different class.
    RPK and RPK-74 are MANUAL machine guns, and PKM with Pecheneg are ONE.
    RPK and RPK-74 are machine guns of the motorized rifle squad.
    PKM with Pecheneg are platoon-company machine guns.
    Well, manual ones are easier than single ones, which is very sensitive if you drag them on your own hump for a long time.
  28. Speedy
    Speedy April 6 2018 00: 01
    +4
    The author has repeatedly pointed out in articles the problem of unification of cartridges .. The fact is that it (the problem) is not. Both cartridges and 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 are now getting along quite well.
  29. Catfish
    Catfish April 6 2018 00: 38
    +1
    Quote: Curious
    "But as for Fort - 401, there is no information."
    Licensed "Negev".


    Thanks Victor. hi
  30. Squelcher
    Squelcher April 6 2018 09: 35
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    News in topic:
    The latest M27 rifles of the US Marines reminded Soviet experts of the PKK (Kalashnikov light machine gun) half a century ago. This is written by We Are The Mighty.

    The M27 rifle is equipped with a 30 round magazine, which makes it look like the M4 and M16 rifles used by the military, police and US intelligence agencies.


    The M27 automatic rifles were developed by the German company Heckler & Koch. Since 2010, they have been purchased by the United States Marine Corps for an alternative to the M249 machine gun.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp April 9 2018 11: 56
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      Journalism.

      In fact, the ILC wanted to change the flawed M4 to the HK416, but they were banned. Then they found a loophole - declared the HK416 a "machine gun" and made a purchase on this expense column.

      This is the most ordinary machine.
  31. Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo April 6 2018 13: 57
    +1
    By the way, why did they abandon the RPD in favor of the PKK? Really the advantages of unification outweighed or is it just sold out of clan interests?
    1. myobius59
      myobius59 April 6 2018 14: 48
      +2
      This is also meia very interested. Paying tribute to the PKK, the RPD still surpasses it in accuracy of fire. The advantage of the RPK over the RPD is the speed and convenience of reloading. And the store is packed much faster than filling the tape.
      But in terms of accuracy and accuracy of fire, bursts of RPD are superior to PKK. And the shooting comfort is also better. When we shot from one and the other, it was noted by all who shot. From RPD shoot more comfortable.
      To him would be a loose ribbon, as on foreign cars, and there would be everything in openwork. But for us it will probably be expensive. You won’t be able to collect these links of the tape in combat conditions.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo April 6 2018 16: 32
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        Attach the sleeve cartridge collection, like on machine guns?
  32. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 6 2018 14: 28
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    Quote: Yrec
    After the machine gun, shooting from the PKK is just a fairy tale. You don’t have to shoot long bursts of it - he has very accurate fire. Almost a sniper rifle.


    I also have day and night optics installed on it and PBS-1 from AKM is suitable for it. The sound of a shot when fired with conventional cartridges is extinguished by about 2 times, plus flameless shooting. A good sniper rifle is obtained. And amateurs who claim that it is not a machine gun, they didn’t serve normally. Previously, in the Special Forces brigades, in the Special Forces detachment, there were 5 machine guns, one RPK and one PKM. But couch strategists are more visible than special forces. It will be possible to talk about the unnecessary RPK-2 when the RPK goes to the troops -74. Yes, and then another controversial issue Wasps, as he will show himself in the troops.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput April 6 2018 23: 14
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      Quote: Xscorpion
      The sound of a shot when fired with conventional cartridges is extinguished by about 2 times, plus flameless shooting.

      Bullshit - after shooting one magazine through PBS-1 of ordinary PS ammunition, the separator gets a tryndec - the washers begin to ring when shaken and hang on the heels because sleeve-spacers are crushed. PBS lasts a little longer, but even the body halves begin to deform and diverge. For especially gifted experimenters, the instruction on PBS / PBS-1 specifically indicates the prohibition of firing PS ammunition through PBS.
      Quote: Xscorpion
      A good sniper rifle is obtained

      Well, well, I’m embarrassed to ask - did they deal with the PKK themselves, or so, they just passed by laughing
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  34. Archon
    Archon April 6 2018 16: 01
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    Does anyone know how the testing of weapons in the army?
    I imagine this as compiling a certain sequence of tests and its multiple passage by groups with different arms. Further statistics accumulation, data processing and conclusions.
    But what is really going on? How do they decide how many weapons should be in a platoon, company, battalion, etc.?
  35. senima56
    senima56 April 6 2018 22: 16
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    Comparison of MG machine gun and PKK incorrect! These are different: partons, rate of fire and capabilities (MG-can be installed on the machine). Compare RPK-74 with RPK-16. And if you think RPK-74 is crap ... then RPK-16 is not particularly better! In the words of the special forces soldier: "The PKK did not take with them. This machine gun does not create FIRE EXCELLENCE!" Here is the answer. Replaceable barrel, these are all the advantages of this "novelty"! Put the bipod on the new AK-12 (straps allow this) and attach the drum magazine! Was it worth the "city fence"? But the topic of "Turner" for some reason does not develop ?!
  36. Mih1974
    Mih1974 April 7 2018 12: 02
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    Quote: raw174
    As we were told in the army, it is better to hurt the enemy rather than kill, since a well-wounded soldier does not fight himself, and even two or five of his comrades are constrained, those who will evacuate him.

    And let's look at the realities of Syria and the Donbass - If there is an attack and someone is injured, then the second soldier will not stop on the run under machine-gun fire, but will reach a protected place and try to kill the machine gunner !! All wounded, both “light” and “heavy” become a burden (do not be offended, this is only a harsh statement) for the army ONLY after the battle, regardless of who won negative which means that the idea of ​​“let's only be very vulnerable” is only good if there is a war against the state of “exhaustion”. Whereas if, for example, you are fighting against the "barmaley", then the idea of ​​"only hurting" is stupid and dangerous. For if a wounded man is evacuated all the same, then all the problems will fall not on the barmaley at all, but on the wounded family - that is, there will be no problem for the enemy, the wounded enemy does not disrupt the attack on our positions and does not help to repel the attack! negative .
    And now, let’s do it the other way around - we attack, the machine gunner “cut off” the enemy soldier, he fell into the trenches, if he could dress up (helped), stabbed with painkillers and if the damage doesn’t prevent him from fighting, he’ll “return to position” and will we keep shooting negative See how our (even boys) are fighting the same Pskov paratroopers or 9 companies in Afghanistan, even after receiving one, two wounds, some fighters continued to fight soldier good I understand that the barmalei are not our guys, but here the principle is important and not the quality of individual fighters.
    1. would
      would April 8 2018 04: 49
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      For if the wounded are evacuated all the same, then all the problems will fall not on the barmalei at all, but on the wounded family


      This is not true. It is worth recalling Syria where, after the regions were repelled, equipped militant hospitals were found, and sometimes wounded there, they were often evacuated. Barmaley very treat.
  37. serge siberian
    serge siberian April 7 2018 16: 42
    +1
    Who is the author -> author -> the author rubs his glasses about? What kind of RPK-16? Where to look for him? In the 80s they accepted what was decided and were very wrong. But if there is a new and better one, then let me. However, at 7-8 AKSU, one RPK-74 is weighty! And very definitely a necessary thing. And one cartridge and magazines are suitable. Well, if there is a new RPK, so be it, and these will be in canned food in oil. Then they will come in handy when to whom today it’s only time to fight for 50 times we are conserving it and on the road. soldier repeat
  38. Sergey Experienced
    Sergey Experienced April 7 2018 16: 48
    +1
    The trunk did not take into account the survivability of the trunk! Moving parts of the RPK and AK do not repeat non-interchangeable! The old man would be equipped with an optical sight and go!
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput April 7 2018 17: 25
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      Quote: Sergey Experienced
      Moving parts of the RPK and AK do not repeat non-interchangeable!

      And if you think about it? And if you open the catalog of assembly units of the product 6P18 (RPK74) or 6P19 (RPKS74) on the interchangeability page of assembly units and parts? :)
  39. Tarikxnumx
    Tarikxnumx April 8 2018 06: 06
    +2
    I don’t understand something ... Is spring aggravation on topvar? One knife proposes to ban, the other shouts RPK74 - not a cake, nada change ... laughing laughing laughing What is bad RPK-74? That has a combat rate of fire higher than that of the AK-74m and a half times? Or the fact that it can conduct a sufficiently long fire compared to the aforementioned machine gun? Or maybe on the battlefield, he is inferior in maneuverability and speed of reloading machine guns with tape power? And even more strange ... The United States ILC has only recently come to the conclusion that the saturation of LMG units is undoubtedly useful, and the author says that LMGs are not needed on the battlefield ... Why would this be?
    AK-15 will not yield RPK-74? It will yield, and how. Wearable ammunition, direct range, thickness and, accordingly, earlier barrel overheating, worse bullet ballistics, stopping and penetrating action, by the way, too. Is there a tambourine under the AK-15, or at least stores of increased capacity?
    In fact, before the adoption of the light machine gun based on the AK-12, RPK-74 there is nothing to replace. RMB is much heavier and generally requires a full machine gun calculation, although it can provide more firepower. The AK-15 is still an automatic machine, but not a light machine gun, and it seems that it was adopted exclusively for special forces, due to the presence of a subsonic cartridge in caliber 7,62 * 39 and the absence of one in 5,45 * 39
  40. cat hippopotamus
    cat hippopotamus April 8 2018 12: 42
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    I believe that the choice itself will be determined, it is as it was on the eve of AEK or AK. The choice has not yet been decided. However, to have the same assault rifle with an elongated barrel on the bipod, this is a duplication of the AK-74 and nothing more.
  41. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 8 2018 15: 32
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    Quote: gross kaput
    Quote: Xscorpion
    The sound of a shot when fired with conventional cartridges is extinguished by about 2 times, plus flameless shooting.

    Bullshit - after shooting one magazine through PBS-1 of ordinary PS ammunition, the separator gets a tryndec - the washers begin to ring when shaken and hang on the heels because sleeve-spacers are crushed. PBS lasts a little longer, but even the body halves begin to deform and diverge. For especially gifted experimenters, the instruction on PBS / PBS-1 specifically indicates the prohibition of firing PS ammunition through PBS.
    Quote: Xscorpion
    A good sniper rifle is obtained

    Well, well, I’m embarrassed to ask - did they deal with the PKK themselves, or so, they just passed by laughing


    That’s exactly the nonsense you wrote. Just if you don’t know, it’s better to be silent, but don’t prove that you don’t know. Normally everything is fired in any quantities. Hundreds of them were shot. Or, according to your opinion, the special forces at first work with US ammunition, but how discovered and it starts hot, then slowly twists the PBS, removes it for unloading, looks for a compensator, winds it up, and continues to fight? Shops with the US almost never took more than one, and then he immediately joined the machine. There are even abnormal instructions for Fruits with ordinary cartridges, since USOV cartridges may not be at the right time, and the lethal force and accuracy are worse than ordinary cartridges. Just few people know. US cartridges are used to minimize the sound of a shot due to the subsonic speed of the bullet, and not to save PBS. You just need to know one nuance. A bullet channel should already be made in the shutter, which can be done with a ramrod if necessary. if it is new, there is a chance that the shutter will be destroyed by the first bullet, which can damage the separator, but this is not often. Also, when firing with ordinary cartridges, to reduce the sound of the shot, it is recommended to pour some water in the PBS, if it is under which, because when heating the PBS, it begins to poorly fulfill its purpose and the sound is damped worse. Or simply to prevent heating and shoot single. There are many more problems with PBS to reduce the sound, up to installing additional rubber pads and winding the wire inside the separator. I didn’t encounter a simple PBS. But it’s generally better to shoot with PBS-1 by ordinary ammunition, because the killing capacity of the US 4 cartridge does not exceed one hundred meters. And you’ll even get through the steel helmet at such a distance NII.
    As for the PKK, I ran a lot with it. And in the early 2000s, I even found an old RPK of 7,62 caliber with 75 rounds of drums. This was a beast good I haven’t seen such people in the army for a long time.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput April 8 2018 20: 29
      -1
      A strange comrade - well, he sat down in a puddle; well, so go quietly - no, he continues to climb further

      Quote: Xscorpion
      There are even abnormal instructions for firing ordinary ammunition,

      Interestingly, what are some such abnormal instructions? I’m becoming more and more convinced that a man didn’t serve in the army at all - there is only one document on PBS / PBS-1 - though it has withstood three editions.
      and what does this document say?

      it’s strange why, in the instruction for the device intended for special forces, firing with ordinary cartridges is not allowed but there are also “secret instructions” for the same units that say what is possible?
      Or maybe everything is easier and a friend just invented everything? laughing

      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput April 8 2018 21: 11
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        Quote: Xscorpion
        And with PBS-4, in general, by default it is better to shoot with conventional cartridges, because the slaughter of the US 5,45 cartridge does not exceed one hundred meters.

        Wow! Apparently a super-mega-secret commandos wandered over to us! Could you share the sacred information somewhere, you were able to use PBS-4 - or rather the AKS74UB complex with the BS-1M grenade launcher, better known as the 6C1 "canary" - that’s why PBS4’s bad luck like the AKS74UB was never delivered separately but only as a kit - a basic kit 6С1 - PBS, automatic, grenade launcher, and the night complex 6P27N (1,2,3) PBS4, AKS74UBN (1,2,3) BS-1 grenade launcher and night lamp. Tell you how the AKS74UB (N) differs from the usual AKS74U or do you recognize it yourself? and now the most delicious - 7U1 cartridges (5,45X39US) were produced very little, and they were produced for an extremely limited time; the first experimental batches had a tungsten core but turned out to be too expensive, worked out a new bullet in the mid-80s - drawing 4-27830 with a ceramic-metal core , Lugansk cartridge plant began to prepare for serial production - but it did not work out - perestroika, conversion, collapse of the USSR,
        the bottom line - the AKS74UB ghost machine - seems to have been adopted but only an experimental batch was produced, 7U1 cartridges of early releases were shot back in the mid-to-late 80s, then a small number of "canaries" that managed to be settled in warehouses because at the same time with the refusal to issue US cartridges, they also refused to replace the bundle AKMS + PBS + US with a 5,45mm complex AKS74UB + PBS4.
        The moral of this fable is simple - the patient trite fantasies by the edge of his ear hearing something about PBS4.

        Well, and the last - an entertaining video that will happen to PBS after shooting a dozen rounds of ammunition with normal N / C


        PS No need to fantasize and it will be easier to live wink
  42. philosopher
    philosopher April 8 2018 22: 19
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    Perhaps the fate of RPK-74 is to become an ordinary machine gun, without looking at the “P” in the name, just to give it to the most physically strong and hardy fighters?
    1. Michael HORNET
      Michael HORNET April 9 2018 18: 43
      +2
      That's the way to do it. The PKK is a Marxman. She needs optics and a fighter who is able to use it effectively and shoot while aiming in battle
    2. free
      free April 11 2018 18: 51
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      Quote: philosopher
      Perhaps the fate of RPK-74 is to become an ordinary machine gun, without looking at the “P” in the name, just to give it to the most physically strong and hardy fighters?

      He is not heavy.
  43. Warrior of Russia
    Warrior of Russia April 10 2018 17: 19
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    I think that everyone knows that the RCP is as reliable as the AK, so it’s better to have a weapon that you’re sure of, and not one that will jam into the wrong
  44. yehat
    yehat April 11 2018 02: 48
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    42nd is a full-fledged machine gun

    extremely controversial statement at the end of the article.
    There is no small group, which believes that the entire line of MG-34, MG-42 is a huge fallacy in machine gun construction. And that such machine guns are not needed, we need more full-fledged
  45. av58
    av58 April 11 2018 10: 08
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    "... And it turns out a funny mess with ammunition.
    9-mm - for pistols.
    7,62х54 - for SVD and PKM and Pecheneg machine guns.
    7,62х39 - for AK-15
    5,45x39 - for AK-12 and RPK-7 ... "
    This is not analysis, but stupidity. What does the pistol caliber have to do with it? By the way, which one: 9x18 or Pair? PCs and SVDs still use the good old caliber, and it didn’t bother anyone until the next opus of Roman Skomorokhov (by the way, is this a surname or drove? It really looks very much like a hint of banter, which, in fact, is almost everything written by this Afftar ) I won’t say whether there will be 5,45 and 7,62 in the squad / platoon / company / battalion at the same time, although I can hardly imagine such a situation.
    Skomorokhov: a lot of words, add at least a little thought.
  46. free
    free April 11 2018 18: 49
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    I had RPK-74 in the army. I can’t say anything bad about it except being a little inconvenient due to the long barrel (and the store is not very convenient too long), but just starting to shoot the opinion changes dramatically. Because the same long barrel ( and bipods) makes it a fairly accurate weapon in skilled hands. If money were of course you can and you need to make more advanced weapons, but you don’t have money. We need other money. But we would have modernized it, it’s cheap to optics and a disk store and would serve as a veteran faithfully. And not before CSOs would have happened.