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The Chinese will give the "Vikings" to the Russian fleet

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The dynamic development of the global geopolitical situation confronts Russia with the need to take non-standard military-strategic decisions.




China demonstrates a historically unprecedented level of friendliness towards Russia. Including in the extremely sensitive military-political sphere. This is evidenced by the maximum representative level of the Chinese military delegation’s arrival in Moscow at the 7 security conference. The head of which, the PRC Minister of Defense, Colonel-General Wei Fenhe, bluntly emphasized that the purpose of his visit was to express a common position with Russia on international issues.

The notorious "Eastern cunning" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Rather, there is a complete triumph of healthy pragmatism. The almost consensus understanding by Moscow and Beijing of the main problems and threats to the modern world creates a solid foundation for the development of mutually complementary geopolitical strategies and opens up great opportunities for cooperation between the military departments of the two countries, which is beginning to take the form of very advanced cooperation in some areas. So, for example, according to reports from Chinese publications, negotiations are currently underway to conduct temporary training "internships" for pilots of the Russian ship aviation on the first Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning (former Soviet Varyag).

"Speech is about pilots of the 100th and 279th separate naval fighter aviation regiments of the Northern Aviation fleet The Russian Navy, whose flights from the deck became impossible due to the installation of the only Russian heavy aircraft carrier cruiser "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov" for repairs, the completion date of which is difficult to predict. In view of this, the Russian side appealed to the Ministry of Defense of the People's Republic of China with a request to conduct “training” tours of Russian ship pilots on the almost identical Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning for the period of repair of Admiral Kuznetsov. Chinese magazineNews Aviation ”reports that the Chinese side has responded positively to this request and detailed negotiations are underway, for which a group of Russian military specialists arrived in the PRC at the beginning of the year.”


This practice of training internships on aircraft carriers in other countries is not news. But it should be emphasized that such “services” render to each other mainly states that are in very close military-political relations. For example, NATO member countries. Thus, Russia and China actually demonstrate a similar, that is, a very high level of military-political rapprochement.

It is quite obvious that this trend in relations between the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China is not a tribute to the fleeting political situation. For it is based on the long-term coincidence of interests of the two powers, which are preparing, during a very long historical period, to jointly defend their interests in the struggle for a multipolar world against the forces of world hegemony and unipolar dictate, which the present-day West personifies.

This global confrontation, within the framework of which Russia and China objectively act as allies, will determine the geopolitical climate on our planet for a number of decades. In the foreseeable future, it makes it very difficult or even impossible for the unfriendly expansion of the PRC to the Russian sphere of influence.

Thus, the political and military leadership of the two powers today has sufficient grounds for building up their relations on a long-term and solid basis. In particular, in the military sphere, they can go much further than even the current unprecedented Russian-Chinese joint training on an aircraft carrier.

So, for example, the Russian side can use to its advantage a significant reserve that has been created in China in the field of naval construction. As far as can be judged from the information coming from the People's Republic of China, in this country a powerful industrial and technological base has been created for the full-scale construction of ocean-class warships. Including aircraft carriers, which the Chinese in the coming years intend to, as they say, bake like pies.

Meanwhile, the in-line production of any equipment, including the naval one, means its very significant reduction in price as compared with piece orders for individual ships. It is precisely the problem of such extremely expensive “uniqueness” of combat units, in the conditions of a serious shortage of state resources, that has the most negative effect on the development of the Russian aircraft carrier program. Which for almost twenty years stalled in one place.

Meanwhile, the experience of using the Russian armed forces in remote theaters of military operations, such as the Syrian one, has shown that the presence of a powerful fleet supported by aviation is one of the key factors for the successful implementation of the country's military-political plans. And in this sense, one Russian aircraft carrier, which hardly gets out of repairs, does not solve any problems.

To develop in the present conditions, and at a fast pace, our own industrial base for the construction of the aircraft carrier fleet of Russia, firstly, will be rather burdensome. And secondly, it, as a predominantly land power, has many other, more priority military tasks.

Thus, a quite relevant question arises: what, strictly speaking, prevents Russia, without delaying the matter indefinitely, agree with China on building two or three aircraft carriers for the Russian fleet at Chinese shipyards? Moreover, the intellectual basis of the Chinese aircraft carrier program is our own, even Soviet projects and technologies. And, accordingly, no problems with the adaptation of these ships to our conditions, as well as with their maintenance should arise.

For some reason, I am sure that the Chinese will gladly accept such an order and build us quite combat-ready ships, in very short periods for Russia and two or three times cheaper than it would have happened with a piece of domestic labor.

As for the possible Chinese fears about building such powerful combat units for Russia, they can be completely neglected. The Chinese, not worse than ours, understand the long-term nature of the current geopolitical proximity of the PRC and the Russian Federation. And besides, they, like us, are well aware that the two powers that have a huge land border, even if they ever fight with each other, the role of aircraft carriers, and the fleet in general, in such a purely hypothetical war will not be main.

As for the national pride of the Great Russians, she will not suffer from such a Chinese order. And even the opposite! China will finally begin to play the same role for Russia as it plays for the United States today - a large manufacturing plant based on American technologies. Only in this case, the construction technology of aircraft carriers will be basically Russian, which is a matter of pride rather than shame.

There is nothing shameful for the Russians and the fact that the Chinese in this area today clearly took the lead. This finds a logical explanation in the specifics of the military-political tasks of China, much of which requires powerful naval support. Here and the problem of Taiwan and the American military pressure around the perimeter of the Chinese maritime borders. Until recently, the Russian Federation had no such problems at all. Therefore, the relevant military programs were in sleep mode.

Meanwhile, the Russian order for aircraft carriers can be placed in China on a mutually beneficial commercial or even on a barter basis. The Chinese are still interested in acquiring a whole range of modern Russian weapons and, one can be sure, they will gladly accept them as payment for their shipbuilding efforts for the Russian Federation. Well, in the end, Russia has natural resources that are not at all superfluous for the Chinese.

Given the current international situation and the fact that the time factor begins to play a key role in making major government decisions, the opportunities that open up for Russia thanks to the unprecedentedly high level of its mutual understanding with China should be used to the maximum. Moreover, the economic and military-strategic effect of the forced implementation of a joint aircraft carrier program can be simply overwhelming.

All this, of course, requires the most careful analysis and calculation. One can not be doubted. The geopolitical trends indicated at the beginning of the article will determine the face of the modern world for decades. And, therefore, Russia has more than enough time for the construction of aircraft carriers in cooperation with China. In such a development there are even historical justice, because China will thus return the great debt to the country that stood at the cradle of its carrier fleet.

And if even sometime, far beyond the horizon of the future, world political trends change, and a black cat runs through the relations between the Russian Federation and the PRC, it would be better if by that time we even have Varyags built in China, than empty dreams and eternal discussions about building your own ships of this class.
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  1. Vard
    Vard April 5 2018 05: 44
    +9
    Or maybe buy five supertankers from South Korea ... It’s baking like pancakes ... And remaking it into aircraft carriers ... Not so expensive for the money ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 5 2018 06: 04
      +14
      Quote: Vard
      Or maybe buy five supertankers from South Korea ... It’s baking like pancakes ... And remaking it into aircraft carriers ... Not so expensive for the money ...

      Yeah ... and the fuel supply is always strategic ... wassat
      1. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 April 5 2018 11: 43
        +21
        Buy an elephant, and then what, where and why - with the aircraft carriers for the Russian Navy. In the next 20 years there is no need for aircraft carriers for the Russian Federation, and then aircraft carriers are on a par with the battleships, and in turn to the museum ... Even the semi-aircraft carrier Kuzya showed its worthlessness for today's Syrian test, more losses than benefits .. There are a couple of universal UDCs with a helicopter squadron, even for the "Syrian express", with the supply of any weapons, including aircraft ... The strategy should be based on necessity and efficiency, and not on desires ...
        1. twviewer
          twviewer April 5 2018 13: 45
          +12
          it’s funny that you didn’t remember about the merchant fleet, by the way, where is it? no fleet is needed for wizards of the pipe, because we’ll buy all the partners and, if anything, the old old song of a Russian collaborator
          and if you are still going to trade FREE, then you will need the entire fleet from and to
          1. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 April 5 2018 15: 38
            +14
            The Russian Federation is still an appendage of raw materials, and there is no trade as such, only the sale of raw materials and wealth and the withdrawal of funds from the country, and why the fleet ... When the Russian Federation does not become a raw materials appendage under liberal management, then the independence will have to fight for independence, and the fleet in the first place the queue will become necessary ... But for the robbery and the fleet is not needed. (The Constitution of the Russian Federation adopted by the liberals affirms the supremacy of treaties, especially the liberalistic rulers of the Russian Federation) ...
            1. Cyrus
              Cyrus April 5 2018 22: 13
              +4
              You are a strange guy, for me either an enemy.
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 8 2018 16: 38
            +1
            And the merchant and fishing fleets also went to "needles" during the collapse of the USSR.
        2. Cyrus
          Cyrus April 5 2018 22: 12
          +1
          Vladimir, you seem to have forgotten that our enemy lives across the ocean ...
        3. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 April 11 2018 11: 04
          0
          Quote: Vladimir 5
          In the next 20 years there is no need for aircraft carriers for the Russian Federation,

          you're just ridiculous in your judgments based on reading silly articles
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik April 5 2018 07: 00
      +15
      Quote: Vard
      Or maybe buy five supertankers from South Korea ... It’s baking like pancakes ... And remaking it into aircraft carriers ... Not so expensive for the money ...

      Better yet, order five pieces of superyachts, it’s somehow more familiar to our “elite”.
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 5 2018 07: 16
      +25
      Quote: Vard
      buy five supertankers from South Korea ... And remake it into aircraft carriers

      Easier to remake the iron in the gun yes
      Buy five pasties and collect a cat (s) laughing
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 5 2018 19: 03
        +5
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Easier to remake the iron in the gun

        Shock AB will not exit the tanker - yes. But the escort is quite. smile
        By the way, the former escort tankers were considered to be the best escort aircraft in WWII because of their increased survivability compared to standard liberty-based jeeps.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 5 2018 20: 12
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Shock AB will not exit the tanker - yes. But the escort is quite.

          An analogue of escort aircraft carriers of World War II is an anti-submarine helicopter carrier.
      2. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane April 5 2018 20: 15
        +6
        Easier to remake the iron in the gun

        What for? A well-launched iron, more comfortable than a gun ..... wink
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 5 2018 20: 47
          +9
          Quote: Solomon Kane
          Easier to remake the iron in the gun

          What for? A well-launched iron, more comfortable than a gun ..... wink

          Damn ... no one understood the essence ...
          In childhood, he was engaged in bullet shooting.
          Our gunners trained (at home) with iron. It looked extremely funny.
          Actually, this was originally meant request
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane April 5 2018 20: 55
            +4
            Roma! hi Everyone understood your topic, I just wanted to laugh ... laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 5 2018 20: 59
              +4
              Quote: Solomon Kane
              Everyone understood your topic, I just wanted to laugh ...

              Well, that means that I’m a brake ... I’m excusable, I’m only from work fellow
      3. tracer
        tracer April 6 2018 00: 16
        +2
        To tankers another pieces of 5 "cauldrons" to bribe and pieces of 3 "omega" rubber. Then everything in the mixer is “shake but interfere” and all the aaianosets are ready ..
    4. Petr1
      Petr1 April 5 2018 08: 01
      +3
      The Chinese will not build quality and lovingly for sale. Yes, and they have been building the last century using Soviet technologies, and our fleet needs super super weapons. Yes, and jobs in the country will also be a plus. But if you do the Chinese in China and they will still give a bribe, because an eye and an eye for our government are needed, it has no conscience at all.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 5 2018 08: 41
        +30
        The Chinese will give the "Vikings" to the Russian fleet
        and Americans can do it! laughing
        An unpleasant incident for the American culture attache Robert Ford occurred at a contemporary art exhibition in Shanghai.

        During his speech at the opening of the event, the diplomat was reckless to say: "I am glad that gradually Chinese art has moved away from the traditions of bloody Stalinism and has come to a modern tradition."

        After that, five people immediately flew into Ford, who threw him to the floor and began to kick him. Only the police officers who arrived at the scene of the incident could stop them.

        As a result of the incident, the diplomat’s nose was broken and several bruises appeared on his body. He will be forced to spend the next couple of weeks in the hospital. All attackers will be fined for hooliganism.

        The Chinese Foreign Ministry sent an official letter of apology to the US Embassy in Beijing, but recommended "no more criticizing Stalin."
        https://politdigest.ru/events/2958-v-kitae-izbili
        -amerikanskogo-diplomata-za-plohie-slova-o-stalin
        e.html
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 April 5 2018 15: 33
          +2
          good good tongue Zvrski plus. Correctly smart people say "the problem of Russians (with the West) is that they white"Well, now what the Americans will do - right, make an impression on this moron, officially - express concern, but publicly but not very officially," what do you want from these savages? "
          That is why, unfortunately, we shouldn’t "express our dissatisfaction with the behavior of American diplomats"
        2. gromovanton
          gromovanton April 5 2018 19: 16
          +4
          This is the best news of the week, but what about the month !!! Straight nectar!
        3. Cyrus
          Cyrus April 5 2018 22: 17
          0
          And what’s beaten up next, what’s next, without Russia, the United States will rummage the PRC for breakfast with all its economic miracle and will not choke. And everyone (and China and the USA) know this.
      2. yehat
        yehat April 5 2018 15: 17
        0
        I don’t know about love, but you’re in vain about the quality of work of the Chinese at state enterprises.
        There quality control is serious. Technology is not always high-quality - after all, China has not yet reached the world level in everything, but the work of people there is quite high-quality.
        The same thing, and maybe worse in South Korea. Quality control is more than sufficient.
        but South Korea has more trained shipyards, suppliers and personnel to work with large-tonnage ships and Avik makes it easier for them than the Chinese.
    5. siberalt
      siberalt April 5 2018 09: 22
      +3
      The Chinese will build 10 aircraft carriers. and Russian pilots must teach the Chinese to fly. And for this, the Chinese will sell us a couple of aircraft carriers, which we practically do not need. So what is our benefit? request
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint April 5 2018 09: 43
        +3
        so no one will buy them))) then all purely political steps for the species) a statement in this form that general affairs. no more.
      2. dSK
        dSK April 5 2018 09: 55
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        So what is our benefit?

        Learns to work like the Chinese, not sell resources. Our descendants will not say thank you when they burn coal and firewood instead of gas.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 5 2018 20: 16
          +2
          Quote: dsk
          Learns to work like the Chinese, not sell resources.

          Everyone sells what he has in excess. China has an excess of added value, Russia has an excess of natural resources.
          1. Reklastik
            Reklastik April 6 2018 06: 52
            +2
            There are no extra resources
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 April 6 2018 12: 30
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            Everyone sells what he has in excess. China has an excess of added value, Russia has an excess of natural resources.

            smart buys what is in short supply. We have a shortage of modern means of production and modern education and specialists. winked
            Somewhere in the Bible there was an example: do not give hungry fish and give him a net to catch this fish.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 6 2018 17: 18
              +1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              smart buys what is in short supply. We have a shortage of modern means of production and modern education and specialists.

              This is just the means of production that they don’t sell to us, so I don’t see the point in exporting resources.
            2. dSK
              dSK April 7 2018 04: 58
              +1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              give him a net to catch this fish.

              China "lured" the Ukrainian chief specialist on aircraft carriers. Invite unemployed Ukrainian shipbuilders to Russia, they will not even have to learn the language.
      3. Mih1974
        Mih1974 April 5 2018 15: 37
        0
        Well, let’s ponder - here Russia buys 2-3 aircraft carriers, they also need to be “cushioned” somewhere, well, do not drag them back to our polar frosts - we need to discuss the “lease” of “parking for aircraft carriers” (for example repeat repeat ) in Port Arthur, build piers there, a little barracks, a little warehouses, a little "guard" of a couple of divisions - "graciously accept as a gift" Port Arthur, which the devil has been Russian since good
        How do you like this chain of events?
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 April 6 2018 19: 38
          0
          Quote: Mih1974
          How do you like this chain of events?

          and then Tsushima? laughing
      4. Cyrus
        Cyrus April 5 2018 22: 18
        0
        Yours in anything, Russia is possibly big.
    6. ltc35
      ltc35 April 5 2018 16: 22
      +10
      The saddest thing is that in recent years, Russia from a country of workers and peasants is gradually turning into a country of officials and a diverse office plankton. Hands will soon be no one to work.
    7. Setrac
      Setrac April 5 2018 20: 09
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      Or maybe buy five supertankers from South Korea ... She bakes pancakes like pancakes ...

      And what is there to bake ... supertankers? They are as simple as laundry soap. Everybody bakes troughs like pies, including Russia, problems begin when the ship is saturated with equipment.
    8. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad April 5 2018 22: 58
      +1
      And I already somehow expressed the idea of ​​ordering warships in China. We need enclosures with engines, which we can then fill with our weapons.
      It is a shame, of course, that you yourself have forgotten how to work.
      And to "pull up" their shipbuilding, it would be nice to send our leaders there for an internship.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 6 2018 12: 32
        +2
        Quote: x.andvlad
        it would be nice to send our leaders there for an internship.

        In terms of government decisions, we cannot influence anything, not even Putin. We can only believe in him
      2. zoolu350
        zoolu350 April 6 2018 17: 58
        0
        Quote: x.andvlad
        And to "pull up" their shipbuilding, it would be nice to send our leaders there for an internship.

        And do you feel sorry for our officials? They are in the PRC for cuts and kickbacks shoot the entry.
    9. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn April 5 2018 23: 20
      0
      With the same success, grandmothers can be "remade" into grandfathers, Colleague !? Well. in general, you know. as? Creative you are ours!
      1. dSK
        dSK April 5 2018 23: 48
        +1
        "The Pentagon is worried about the growing shortage of pilots in the US Air Force. As the agency said, military personnel are massively refusing to land at the helm of military aircraft. According to some reports, this is due to the Americans' fears about the tough behavior of Russian pilots in flight, taking on risky interceptions. Over the past two years, about 1363 pilots left the US Air Force. Some of them retired, the rest went to civil aviation. Now the American command is experiencing such an acute shortage of pilots that the question arises about the ability of the United States to fulfill its obligations to protect NATO countries from potential adversaries. " (TV Constantinople, 17:32, 03.04.18/XNUMX/XNUMX)
  2. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah April 5 2018 05: 47
    +11
    Well, in the end, Russia has natural resources that are not superfluous for the Chinese. ????????????????????????? The authors of this article are handsome. They are ready to destroy the most precious, the most precious, our unique nature. Well, well !!! China has already made its territory a desert, and they will make ours. You think you can sit out in a cozy apartment, you are mistaken. Nature will take revenge on everyone.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 5 2018 06: 03
      +3
      Wei came to us in friendship with Russia, someone sighed: azohen wei ...! smile
    2. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b April 5 2018 06: 31
      +5
      They are already destroying it with might and main, not only the Russian, world potential for the renewal of pure oxygen (Siberian taiga), but also the water resource of Lake Baikal.
      1. cariperpaint
        cariperpaint April 5 2018 09: 44
        +6
        yeah. that I don’t come to those places I can not meet a single Chinese. Hare nonsense to write.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 5 2018 11: 03
          +5
          Quote: cariperpaint
          I can not meet a single Chinese

          T-ssss !!! They are all busy, the whole crowd annoying comrade Evgeniy667b.
          Quote: Evgeniy667b
          ... are destroyed ... the water resource Lake Baikal

          There, the planned volume of 2 million cubic meters per year. We look at the numbers:

          ...
          Moisture evaporates 19.1 cubic km
          Precipitation is 12.8 cubic km
          The average annual flow from the lake is 61 cubic km.
          ...

          From here:

          * for reference: 1 cubic km = 10 ^ 9 cubic meters
          So - I would personally really think before writing about "destroyed" request
          1. 97110
            97110 April 5 2018 19: 35
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            So - I personally would really think

            I heard a wonderful anecdote in the military service: "What is there to think, we must shake!"
      2. Mih1974
        Mih1974 April 5 2018 15: 39
        +2
        Siberian taiga - sucks, according to its ability to generate oxygen against the background of tropical loesses of the Amazon and even more not against the background of the World Ocean fool . Yes, Siberia is important, but far from the most key part of the planetary air purification system.
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah April 5 2018 17: 04
          +4
          Siberia, the light planets of Mikhail, if you didn’t know. But not the forest, but the SWAMP !!!!! It is they who produce the oxygen that we then breathe. The swamps are a natural climate cooler, they bind a huge amount of carbon dioxide in their thicknesses and actively produce oxygen. Much more active than any forest. The Amazonian jungle, which is also called the “lungs of the planet,” when compared with the Vasyugan swamp in terms of oxygen production, is a modest suburban forest. It is on land, and naturally the world’s ocean.

          The large Vasyugan swamp accumulates 3–10 million tons of carbon dioxide per year and produces 1,5–4 million tons of oxygen. .In 2017, in the year of ecology, the Russian Government planned to create a Vasyugan natural reserve in the Tomsk and Novosibirsk regions.

          A state environmental review is currently underway. After the creation of the reserve, the swamp should finally be included in the UNESCO World Heritage List (since 2007 it has been on the preliminary list of World Heritage Sites).
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 April 5 2018 17: 07
            0
            And sho, how minor cuts for China affect this swamp? laughing Most likely from the word - nothing. And I wanted to indicate that in general, what is exported is nothing at all against the background of how much it burns out every year negative
            1. Mar.Tirah
              Mar.Tirah April 5 2018 17: 10
              0
              Did I miss something? Where did I write that they had already cut down everything? I wrote about the non-rational, barbaric use of land. Read more carefully.
              1. Mih1974
                Mih1974 April 5 2018 17: 20
                0
                And what does the Chinese have to do with the barbaric use of resources? Look, what's near Moscow with landfills, and what's in Chelyabisk, etc. That the "purely local" oligarchs (thieves) are more conscientious towards nature? Yes, to hell there, nowhere t reforestation - because the bribe to the official is much less than these same works or than the sewage treatment plant at least on Baikal negative About which they write that "the Chinese will drink the whole Bakal" belay negative . They like in our country to “search for enemies” to do a useful thing instead of ourselves and instead of China to carry the same water, for example, in Mongolia (there is generally a seam with it) and across Russia. Instead of a roundwood forest (which is forbidden to export from the word Absolutely) to export only paper and business, but expensive breeds. good
                1. Mar.Tirah
                  Mar.Tirah April 5 2018 17: 27
                  +1
                  So am I against punitive measures against my barbarians or something? Of course not. But we don’t need to aggravate our lives with the deeds of other peoples. Where the Chinese came to the Far East, there remains dead ground, since they use herbicides and pesticides to increase the harvest. After all the soil is dying, as all media and environmental prosecutors have recently reported.
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 April 6 2018 12: 36
            0
            Quote: Mar. Tira
            Swamps are a natural climate cooler,

            Do you mean that Russia, as a cold country, must fight global warming? I think the opposite. It is necessary to drain the swamps so that it is warmer !!! wink
    3. Kovaleva
      Kovaleva April 5 2018 10: 02
      +1
      We have other resources out of place for the Chinese, besides natural. I think that the author did not expect that they could interpret him like that.
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      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 5 2018 11: 08
        +8
        Quote: borov_2
        authors cover up the criminal policy of the authorities towards the people

        That’s whatever the agitator is, what a thread of “hog” ...
        Good deed will not be called a pig negative
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          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 5 2018 12: 04
            +6
            Quote: borov_2
            You essentially object to something

            So there is nothing to object. In the absence of a subject for discussion.
            Agitators, they are ... agitators request
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              1. 17085
                17085 April 5 2018 13: 29
                +5
                Quote: borov_2
                You have already written correctly about the flood. Only topics you know how to fill in verbal diarrhea!


                Hog 1 already banned? Come on about the Jewish and Chinese threat rub here again. Only for something newer, and not your usual nonsense.
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          2. Mih1974
            Mih1974 April 5 2018 15: 47
            +5
            That is, the "evil" Chinese - cut down Siberia, and the "good" Europeans force ukrov to allow clear cutting under the clean Carpathians? fool Maybe the Finnish paper industry works on Martian wood, oh sho this - it turns out to be the same Russian? So there is no need to cast a shadow on the fence, there would be no Chinese - there would be Finns, Norwegians, other Europeans or even Americans. negative The problem is not who takes out, but that we are allowed to do this !!! am
            Let the president accept a maratorium (for a couple of years) for the removal of non-business timber - and SMERSH for border crossings - as the wagons loaded with lemso saw, the entire locomotive was "in the flow" on the spot! good And then those who chopped, and those who sold and took bribes and gave - the same SHOT. good good
            It will definitely help.
  3. Fox
    Fox April 5 2018 06: 01
    +17
    another victory of the sun ... so this is where the last president built 25 million jobs ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 5 2018 07: 15
      +8
      Quote: Fox
      so this is where the last president built 25 million jobs ...

      Yes Zema, uncle’s wife. myself to ... request But as they said about import substitution, tears of tenderness were welling up! good
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 5 2018 07: 18
        +7
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        another victory of the sun ...

        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Yes Zema ...

        Quote: From a joke
        ...
        “How many of you are there?”
        - Two ...
        - Here, and talk ...

        laughing
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 April 5 2018 07: 20
          +8
          Kisa - flood again? wink
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 5 2018 07: 21
            +8
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            flood again?

            No. This you do not catch up again wink
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Kisa

            Osia yes
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 April 5 2018 07: 22
              +10
              I don’t run after fools, it makes no sense. wink
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 5 2018 07: 33
                +9
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I don't run after fools

                You talk, talk yes
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 5 2018 07: 36
                  +8
                  Kisa - and weakly write at least ONE comment on the topic of the article? wink
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 5 2018 07: 39
                    +11
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    on the topic of the article

                    Are you talking about the author’s erotic fantasies about "aircraft carriers from China"?
                    Throw ... not even funny.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    and poorly write ... comment on the topic of the article?

                    Not weak. But there is no topic, a "topic" from a finger, ahem ... mined, here.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Kisa

                    Osia wink
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 5 2018 07: 47
                      +7
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Are you talking about the author’s erotic fantasies about "aircraft carriers from China"?
                      erotic fantasies come true with age. wink
                      Mistrals in France were ordered recently. So I don’t know who and where from what ... got it. laughing
                      1. Golovan Jack
                        Golovan Jack April 5 2018 07: 51
                        +8
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Mistrals in France recently ordered

                        The Mistral order was, ahem, a purely political gesture.
                        In addition, a "lesson for future use", I hope - more so will not do.

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        erotic fantasies come true with age

                        Well, and who is flood, I dare to inquire? laughing
                      2. cariperpaint
                        cariperpaint April 5 2018 09: 46
                        +1
                        But remind the reason for the order of these Papelans from France?)))
                  2. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky April 5 2018 10: 12
                    +2
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Kisa - and weakly write at least ONE comment on the topic of the article? wink

                    Although I’m not “Kitty”, but I’m interested - Is this your comment on the topic of the article?
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Yes Zema, uncle’s wife. myself until ... But as they said about import substitution - tears of emotion were welling up!
                    Or traditionally - "What about me then?"
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 April 5 2018 13: 28
                      +5
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      Or traditionally - "What about me then?"

                      My comment is just about that. You yourself do not bother that the possibility of ordering aircraft carriers in China is being discussed. and not building them with us? Will you draw parallels with your uncle’s wife? wink
              2. SPACE
                SPACE April 5 2018 07: 47
                +4
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I don’t run after fools, it makes no sense.

                You really do not make sense, it is always with you.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 April 5 2018 07: 49
                  +8
                  Oh, here’s the second one. Now both are with me! good But there was no sense either. laughing
                  1. Petr1
                    Petr1 April 5 2018 08: 05
                    +7
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Oh, here’s the second one. Now both are with me! good But there was no sense either. laughing

                    Kitty has a lot of accounts, would return the minuses, he would destroy everyone and wipe it to dust laughing all. ...
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 5 2018 09: 49
                      +7
                      Quote: Petr1
                      Kitty has a lot of accounts

                      PeterDo not be rude.
                      As for the "many accounts" - "I read the criminal code" (c), I remind you:
                      The site is strictly prohibited:
                      ...
                      d) Have multiple accounts per visitor.
                      ...

                      Quote: Petr1
                      ... would return the cons ...

                      ... yes it's time, it's time. Khamov divorced - do not rest.
                      This is not about you personally ... Peter.
                    2. Galleon
                      Galleon April 5 2018 14: 00
                      +5
                      he himself reached out to the marshal: he has no thoughtful comments - one skirmish with someone.
                  2. SPACE
                    SPACE April 5 2018 10: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Oh, here’s the second one. Now both are with me! But there was no sense either.

                    In your stupidities, there is neither truth nor meaning. Sclerosis helps you live and write ...
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 April 5 2018 10: 59
      +9
      Quote: Fox
      so this is where the last president built 25 million jobs ...

      So the past. And now we have a new president. Not like the previous one.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter April 5 2018 06: 04
    +1
    It would be true if they built five such pieces! It would not hurt all the fleets. laughing
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 5 2018 09: 56
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It would be true if they built five such pieces! It would not hurt all the fleets. laughing

      what for ??? some comrades, probably did not pay attention that the world is on the verge of a revolution in rocket science - "hypersound" is knocking at the door. the carrier fleet will not have time to turn on the catapults, how it will turn into an underwater one, without even having time to understand anything ... where it came from and why. why tell money to spend on expensive "targets"? it is no war yet, they swim, show off to the Bedouins ... but their time has gone along with the advent of the "dagger".
      1. 97110
        97110 April 5 2018 19: 57
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        why tell money to spend on expensive "targets"

        It's not just about money. The matter is also in the domestic capabilities of shipbuilding. When the first wormmaster was put on repair for grade 3 on the Don, this repair lasted, would not lie, 13 (THIRTEEN !!!) years. During the repair, the ship had to have time to work and subsequently repaired to 4 and 5 class. (Repair for the class is performed every 4 years. Later it was allowed to be done in 5 years) Sormach - I hope that it’s clear that this is not an aircraft carrier, but only a 3-ton river-sea dry cargo ship. Things were still in the USSR. After a quarter century shipbuilding in the country was destroyed. Which, completely, aircraft carriers.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 5 2018 12: 18
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It would be true if they built five such pieces! It would not hurt all the fleets. laughing

      How are you going to cover them? Atlantians, who are 40 years old or one Orlan, who, how Tuzik will run between them?
      In order to seriously talk about the construction or purchase of aircraft carriers (not aircraft carriers), you must first rebuild the escort ocean ships for this.
      Quote: Dead Day
      some comrades, probably did not pay attention that the world is on the verge of a revolution in rocket science is a "hypersound"

      And some citizens did not notice that the world was on the verge of (and in fact already) unmanned strike aircraft. And the topic of UAVs is developing no slower than rocket science. Now imagine, say 200 pieces of UAVs on an aircraft carrier, with a range of 2-3 thousand, which would block the radius of action of the most long-range anti-ship missiles.
      1. dSK
        dSK April 5 2018 22: 42
        +1
        In "peacetime" the aircraft carrier is of course a force, to drive the Mujahideen, or to "capture" the colony. And if a “hot” war is the first goal for ICBMs, any satellite will copy it. We are humanists, we will not shoot ICBMs in peaceful cities.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS April 6 2018 10: 16
          0
          Quote: dsk
          In "peacetime" the aircraft carrier is of course a force, to drive the Mujahideen, or to "seize" a colony

          This stamp has already been erased to the holes ... dear, answer me a question, is there something our airmen need air cover, but the sailors are not people? They do not need support and air cover? And what about the majahideen? We have a different tactic for using fleets in general.
          Not a single KUG in the open ocean can stand against the AUG without air cover.
          And as regards the nuclear conflict, in your opinion, nothing can be created at all except the ICBMs. Complete nonsense.
          1. dSK
            dSK April 7 2018 01: 02
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            nothing can be created at all except ICBMs
            What can cool the ardor of the main "initiator" of anti-Russian hysteria - only threat to one's own skin. Any conflict outside it is for their “good.” Only modern ICBMs can. Our aircraft carrier can "work out" only England, will not be allowed to reach the line of reach of the States. Objectively, it will be under repair for at least two years. To build another one you need new shipyards and personnel. Russia's military budget is ten times smaller than the US budget. .Military expenses all NATO members together account for over 70 percent of the total volume(Wikipedia) + Japan.
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy April 5 2018 06: 16
    +2
    two or three aircraft carriers for the Russian fleet?

    Baba Yaga Against!
    For this money, the Chinese can build 10 destroyers or more, or even cruisers. Build buildings, and put your own filling.
    1. 97110
      97110 April 5 2018 20: 08
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      and put your own filling.

      Where? Forgive me generously, the attitude to the navy is the same as that of the commander of a motorized shooting company (according to the military registration certificate in a military ID). We need a bucket of the appropriate size and with the appropriate depths, a fence along the coast and people who will not let outsiders roam around the water area and territory. To start. Specialists in aircraft carriers will add - they are here ...
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy April 5 2018 20: 29
        0
        I do not forgive.
        Do you turnkey Chinese avisy make? They will do it better for themselves.
        And so, and so we will equip.
        1. 97110
          97110 April 5 2018 20: 47
          +1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Do you turnkey Chinese avisy make?

          To me? Very well, you think about me.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 5 2018 06: 23
    +7
    Military cooperation is welcome.
    Wei Fenhe, bluntly, emphasized that the purpose of his visit was to express a common position with Russia on international issues.
    We noticed that as soon as the United States began a "trade war" with China, they threw aside all their Asian verbal tricks, waiting, and began to speak directly.
  7. Simon
    Simon April 5 2018 06: 47
    +1
    Yes. This suggests that we need at least one more aircraft carrier! recourse Bad without it, you have to go to the Chinese to the fullest. request
  8. Simon
    Simon April 5 2018 06: 52
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    It would be true if they built five such pieces! It would not hurt all the fleets. laughing

    Good idea, but it all comes down to denyushka! At least one to build is a matter. yes
    1. siberalt
      siberalt April 5 2018 09: 32
      +2
      What good is that? lol In the North and Baltic, it is shallow and cold for aircraft carriers. In the Black Sea, it won’t crawl through the Bosphorus, and in the Pacific, the Chinese and the Japanese will not pass. winked Aircraft carriers are a relic of colonial politics, why do we have to ape the Anglo-Saxons? lol
      1. dSK
        dSK April 5 2018 22: 53
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Carriers are a relic of colonial politics,

        Yes, and we have no colonies and are not expected. The Syrians needed protection; they “donated” land to the air base, like Armenia. It controls the entire territory of Syria, on the runway it sits not on deck, life is easier for staff. For four months the aircraft carrier “stood guard” and went home.
  9. Bastinda
    Bastinda April 5 2018 06: 54
    0
    Interestingly, did the Chinese have the Soviet electronic filling on Liaoning? Hardly. And how do you expect to combine them? In addition, when boarding a modern aircraft carrier, the role of the pilot is minimal. The computer is oriented, and makes decisions much faster and more accurately than the pilot.
    So, most likely, we are talking about fitting the landing complex for our aircraft, and its subsequent purchase.
    And he will definitely "have no analogues in the world!"
  10. Simon
    Simon April 5 2018 07: 02
    +1
    Quote: Vard
    Or maybe buy five supertankers from South Korea ... It’s baking like pancakes ... And remaking it into aircraft carriers ... Not so expensive for the money ...

    Nah, it's better to build it yourself, it makes no sense! If you buy a tanker, how much will you pay? And then again pay for the redistribution. Still, it is not known what will turn out - a problem! Need a large service team, repair shops, a base for storing aircraft, weapons and ammunition fool
  11. Per se.
    Per se. April 5 2018 07: 34
    +12
    a quite relevant question arises: what, strictly speaking, prevents Russia, without delaying the matter indefinitely, to agree with China on the construction of two or three aircraft carriers for the Russian fleet at Chinese shipyards?
    Well, the author, this is beautiful, as all ingenious is simple, - the Chinese aircraft carriers "in the coming years are going to, as they say, bake like pies" ... In addition, they leaked our yellow "brothers" creams to our yellow ones, providing China is not only jobs, but also the latest technology. Next, you see that bother, the Chinese and tanks with airplanes will rivet like hot cakes, and they will be cheaper to buy Kalashi in exchange for raw materials and use for renting Russian territory. "Brilliant!" ... Our government will have no sorrow at all, how to plow and sow, to the fact that now almost all consumer goods are bought in China, weapons will also be added to this ... It’s one thing to buy from others what there are no technologies of their own, it’s quite another thing to transfer workplaces and your technologies under what needs to be developed and done by ourselves. Article, provocation, or from the category of well-intentioned, with a known road to hell.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 5 2018 08: 04
      +2
      Quote: Per se.
      An article, a provocation, or from the category of good intentions, with a well-known road to hell.

      Yes Serge, or, or. hi
  12. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 April 5 2018 07: 37
    +1
    There is nothing wrong with this idea. One must be pragmatic. Kuznetsov helped in conducting a land operation in Syria? Helped! So there in the Mediterranean it is necessary to have such an aircraft carrier always and constantly, and not only there.
  13. alekc75
    alekc75 April 5 2018 07: 58
    +2
    that you can’t fly on a thread yourself, do you have to ship ???
  14. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 5 2018 08: 02
    +3
    Golovan Jack,
    Where's the flood, pussycat? belay This is a THICK hint that after a few years the author’s “fantasies” may come true. bully
  15. AshiSolo
    AshiSolo April 5 2018 08: 15
    +11
    . “We are talking about pilots of the 100th and 279th separate naval fighter aviation regiments of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy, whose flights from the deck became impossible due to the installation of the only Russian heavy aircraft carrier cruiser“ Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov ”for repairs, the end of which is foreseen difficult. In view of this, the Russian side appealed to the Ministry of Defense of the PRC with a request to conduct “training” tours of Russian ship pilots on the almost identical Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning during the repair of Admiral Kuznetsov. The Chinese magazine Aviation News reports that the Chinese side responded positively to this request and that detailed negotiations are underway, for which a group of Russian military specialists arrived in the PRC at the beginning of the year. ”


    The author is sick ... This is an April Fools' Day joke from BMPD. The level of VO slides lower and lower. In the original, the BMP cited the name of the publication in Chinese. If you beat him into a Google translator, it produced "Jokes and jokes about aviation." It’s just tin. How is that possible?
    1. UVB
      UVB April 5 2018 14: 48
      0
      Quote: AshiSolo
      The author is sick ... This is an April Fools' Day joke from BMPD. The level of VO slides lower and lower. In the original, the BMP cited the name of the publication in Chinese. If you beat him into a Google translator, it produced "Jokes and jokes about aviation." It’s just tin. How is that possible?

      Here is the material itself, the author of the article needed to carefully read to the end:
      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a76aa76c5feaf0a29
      d1949f / s-kuznecova-na-liaonin-letchiki-iscut-novo
      e-mesto-slujby-5ac06760610493acb72f8e2e?utm_sourc
      e = warfiles.ru
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Kovaleva
      Kovaleva April 5 2018 15: 29
      0
      There is some truth in every joke or it may turn out that there will be smile
      Why, even if the author was mistaken, did not consider a situation such as acquisition and not listen to discussions?)
  16. Waddimm
    Waddimm April 5 2018 08: 17
    0
    Quote: Tartar 174
    There is nothing wrong with this idea. One must be pragmatic. Kuznetsov helped in conducting a land operation in Syria? ...

    Bullshit!
    Pampering all these aircraft carriers. Not a single, more or less decent mess, without prepared ground infrastructure, was carried out.
    An aircraft carrier is a means of projecting (c) strength, that is, intimidation of Aboriginal people on another continent. With the beginning of prolonged hostilities, it becomes a burden.
    1. Kovaleva
      Kovaleva April 5 2018 15: 47
      +1
      Exactly. And I almost thought the same. But before you start fighting on other continents, it makes sense, as you say, to project power. When Kuzya "puffed", many fought. It’s one thing when it’s a huge aircraft skimmer and another when an aircraft-carrying cruiser equipped with combat modules, artillery, rocket, and ra ...
  17. Monarchist
    Monarchist April 5 2018 08: 42
    +1
    Quote: Evgeniy667b
    They are already destroying it with might and main, not only the Russian, world potential for the renewal of pure oxygen (Siberian taiga), but also the water resource of Lake Baikal.

    Conclusion urgently quarrel with the dragon and the Americans will be happy
  18. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 5 2018 09: 02
    +2
    Hooray!!!! Again Yuri, again on the positive! laughing
    The notorious "Eastern cunning" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Rather, there is a complete triumph of healthy pragmatism.

    It is not for me to remind forum users how healthy pragmatism can easily be transformed into "attack and fuck up if the partner is weak"
    Lord Well, are local propagandists so degraded !!?
    1. Romey
      Romey April 5 2018 09: 13
      +2
      Quote: andrej-shironov

      Lord Well, are local propagandists so degraded !!?

      Well, it’s necessary to somehow maintain the fighting spirit of the cheers, otherwise reality somehow doesn’t fit very well into the world of pink ponies. Here the principle is the opposite: it is better to seem, not to be. So cheaper and very marketable.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov April 5 2018 19: 05
        +1
        smile Dmitry, I see how the power of China and the power of Russia are rubbing their hands. Mutually agreed and sawn and sold and the right people (oligarchs) on both sides in chocolate.
  19. Cartalon
    Cartalon April 5 2018 09: 17
    +1
    Am I curious about the Sita trying to thank you, or are they still paid? China will not carry out non-friendly expansion, well, a clear stump, why if the friend rolls well.
  20. Heterocapsa
    Heterocapsa April 5 2018 09: 19
    0
    people came in such a crowd to discuss the internship of our military who already have experience? and what's the point of dragging such a delegation for this? the rest is just assumptions of the author in the style of "what if?" "and what is stopping us."
  21. Shadow shooter
    Shadow shooter April 5 2018 09: 26
    +2
    Well, the absence of aircraft carriers does not threaten the existence of Russia. First of all, it is necessary to develop the Strategic Missile Forces, Air Defense, and Air Forces. Well and quietly build in large series at least corvettes and frigates
  22. Mengad
    Mengad April 5 2018 09: 41
    +1
    Yeah ... the campaign ,, Kuznetsova ,, There was a steep..lots of smoke ... and the loss of 2 planes ... they just got to the Mediterranean Sea ... and if God forbid the fighting? And now we bow to the Chinese ...
  23. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 5 2018 10: 20
    +3
    Yes, let the Chinese build, but in parallel, we need to develop our capabilities in the construction of ships of this class. And yet, yes, we need to really assess the need for aircraft carriers, taking into account our military doctrine, otherwise it would turn out like the Mistrals, we ordered it, and then breathed out in relief when the French resold them to Egypt, because according to the doctrine we did not need such ships. They simply funded France and supported their jobs.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 5 2018 20: 28
      +2
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Yes, let the Chinese build, but in parallel, we need to develop our capabilities in the construction of ships of this class.

      It is better to invest these funds in the development of aerospace technologies.
  24. Engineer
    Engineer April 5 2018 10: 23
    +4
    Yeah ... I didn’t even think about buying aircraft carriers from the Chinese. The main thing is why? It’s better to make your own, even worse, but your own, on your own elemental and technological base. This is the same impetus for the development of shipbuilding and related enterprises, their workload. The right word, do not understand it is criminal!
  25. Kovaleva
    Kovaleva April 5 2018 10: 31
    +2
    In theory, not bad. Why not? And you can try it in practice, repairing Kuzya and slowly creating all your own achievements. In fact, before the deployment of our bases in Syria, the question of creating even shipyards for the construction of aircraft carriers was not heard. Now we are actively discussing in many resources whether we need an aircraft carrier fleet and, basically, the main problem is still a temporary one. One shipyard, as a remembrance, can be converted, but not one is needed. If there are our bases beyond the borders of land, then it turns out that a couple of aircraft carriers will not harm at all. As someone wrote below (above) - the trough is Chinese, our filling.
  26. Palagecha
    Palagecha April 5 2018 10: 35
    0
    It's time to build underwater floating base drone drone !!! And we all talk about huge troughs, which are not ...
  27. Alex_59
    Alex_59 April 5 2018 11: 04
    0
    Uncle Wei has arrived! Well, now let’s heal!
  28. askme
    askme April 5 2018 11: 55
    +1
    By the way, a very reasonable offer. By quantity - 2 or 4 aircraft carriers. Even. Pure iron to take. The power plant, nuclear reactors, put your own, and overtake on an auxiliary SU on the "Zvezdochka". Shipbuilding capacities in the Far East - created! And pennies will cost AB.

    The only problem is that the Chinese will not take up this. They now have the febrile construction of the AUG going on, they are unlikely to create additional capacities for us. They will put us in the queue, as we put them with the S-400. Your orders are a priority ...

    And in 5-7 years, we ourselves will lay down our aircraft carrier, which is completely different in terms of platform power ...
  29. svp67
    svp67 April 5 2018 12: 02
    +6
    Save us St. Nicholas from the Chinese ships.
    In general, this news
    So, for example, according to reports from Chinese publications, negotiations are currently underway to conduct temporary training "internships" for pilots of Russian naval aviation on the first Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning (former Soviet Varyag).
    It was published on April 1, which already gives rise to strongly doubt its veracity.
  30. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 12: 32
    +1
    I support the author with all four limbs! RI did not hesitate to order ships abroad, realizing that she herself could not master the entire program. You might think we are in a better position now? And where did the author write that they would build on old projects? As I understand it, we are talking about the construction of buildings, and armament and equipment will be in Russia. This is a real cooperation, very beneficial for us at this stage! No one has stated that the Russian Federation will not develop its large-tonnage shipbuilding base, but this is happening slowly, and there are always not enough funds! So, the author’s idea is more than appropriate!
  31. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 12: 42
    +1
    [quote = Mengad] Yeah ... the campaign ,, Kuznetsova ,, was cool .. a lot of smoke ... and the loss of 2 planes ... they just got to the Mediterranean Sea ... and if God forbid fighting? And now, we bow to the Chinese ... [/ qu
    Fidgeting on a soft sofa, clever about Kuz or Marus-do not respect yourself! After all, it was clearly said: for the first time in history in a real combat situation! So no, you have to show yourself! Nelson nervously smokes on the sidelines! And we will gain experience on cats?
  32. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 12: 46
    0
    Quote: andrej-shironov
    Hooray!!!! Again Yuri, again on the positive! laughing
    The notorious "Eastern cunning" has absolutely nothing to do with it. Rather, there is a complete triumph of healthy pragmatism.

    It is not for me to remind forum users how healthy pragmatism can easily be transformed into "attack and fuck up if the partner is weak"
    Lord Well, are local propagandists so degraded !!?

    Preferably with specific examples! So that it does not seem that Andrej himself is sliding ...
  33. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 12: 51
    +1
    Quote: AshiSolo
    . “We are talking about pilots of the 100th and 279th separate naval fighter aviation regiments of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy, whose flights from the deck became impossible due to the installation of the only Russian heavy aircraft carrier cruiser“ Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Kuznetsov ”for repairs, the end of which is foreseen difficult. In view of this, the Russian side appealed to the Ministry of Defense of the PRC with a request to conduct “training” tours of Russian ship pilots on the almost identical Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning during the repair of Admiral Kuznetsov. The Chinese magazine Aviation News reports that the Chinese side responded positively to this request and that detailed negotiations are underway, for which a group of Russian military specialists arrived in the PRC at the beginning of the year. ”


    The author is sick ... This is an April Fools' Day joke from BMPD. The level of VO slides lower and lower. In the original, the BMP cited the name of the publication in Chinese. If you beat him into a Google translator, it produced "Jokes and jokes about aviation." It’s just tin. How is that possible?

    Organize your own VO where there will be no sick! Only healthy nonsense will be carried!
    1. smaug78
      smaug78 April 5 2018 13: 00
      +1
      [/ quote] Organize your own VO where there will be no patients! Only healthy nonsense will be carried! [/ Quote]
      All the same, once again I am convinced that the cheer patriot is worse than the liberalist. Where the liberalist shuts up after asking for a document / link, the cheer patriot will puff out his cheeks even more and continue to scream further. Since knowledge, mind and logic are replaced by a "patriotic sense" and an unread manual of the sample of 2014.
    2. Abalon
      Abalon April 5 2018 13: 32
      +1
      So you like analytics based on an April Fool’s joke?
  34. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 13: 04
    +2
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    on the topic of the article

    Are you talking about the author’s erotic fantasies about "aircraft carriers from China"?
    Throw ... not even funny.
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    and poorly write ... comment on the topic of the article?

    Not weak. But there is no topic, a "topic" from a finger, ahem ... mined, here.
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Kisa

    Osia wink


    How many watch you, one malice, squabble and golem flood. Digestion problems? Or do not like the site? Why bother?
  35. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 13: 10
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    The Chinese will give the "Vikings" to the Russian fleet
    and Americans can do it! laughing
    An unpleasant incident for the American culture attache Robert Ford occurred at a contemporary art exhibition in Shanghai.

    During his speech at the opening of the event, the diplomat was reckless to say: "I am glad that gradually Chinese art has moved away from the traditions of bloody Stalinism and has come to a modern tradition."

    After that, five people immediately flew into Ford, who threw him to the floor and began to kick him. Only the police officers who arrived at the scene of the incident could stop them.

    As a result of the incident, the diplomat’s nose was broken and several bruises appeared on his body. He will be forced to spend the next couple of weeks in the hospital. All attackers will be fined for hooliganism.

    The Chinese Foreign Ministry sent an official letter of apology to the US Embassy in Beijing, but recommended "no more criticizing Stalin."
    https://politdigest.ru/events/2958-v-kitae-izbili
    -amerikanskogo-diplomata-za-plohie-slova-o-stalin
    e.html


    Super! So you need to defend your dignity! And do not bow to you when your legs are being wiped openly! Because Chinese civilization has existed for thousands of years! It's time to learn from your experience if you have lost yours.
  36. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 5 2018 13: 31
    +1
    The Chinese will give the "Vikings" to the Russian fleet

    In fact, this is the highest degree of shame. BUT, unfortunately, it is quite logical.
    1. Lynx33
      Lynx33 April 5 2018 13: 55
      +2
      What's the shame? All NATO countries use US production weapons and do not consider it a shame for themselves, and some, on the contrary, consider themselves superpowers.
  37. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 13: 36
    +1
    [quote = smaug78] [/ quote] Organize your own VO where there will be no patients! Only healthy nonsense will be carried! [/ Quote]
    All the same, once again I am convinced that the cheer patriot is worse than the liberalist. Where the liberalist shuts up after asking for a document / link, the cheer patriot will puff out his cheeks even more and continue to scream further. Since knowledge, mind and logic are replaced by a "patriotic chuyka" and an unread manual of the sample of 2014. [/ quote]

    Well, if rudeness is your face, then where does the cheers-patriotism? Judging by the manner of presenting opinions, was brought up on the Catechism?
  38. smaug78
    smaug78 April 5 2018 13: 43
    0
    [quote = sib.ataman] [quote = smaug78] [/ quote] Organization
    th own IN where there will be no sick! Only healthy nonsense will be carried! [/ Quote]
    All the same, once again I am convinced that the cheer patriot is worse than the liberalist. Where the liberalist shuts up after asking for a document / link, the cheer patriot will puff out his cheeks even more and continue to scream further. Since knowledge, mind and logic are replaced by a "patriotic chuyka" and an unread manual of the sample of 2014. [/ quote]

    Well, if rudeness is your face, then where does the cheers-patriotism? Judging by the manner of presenting opinions, was brought up on the Catechism? [/ Quote]
    I can’t laugh at your pearls anymore, read the manual better))))
  39. dgonni
    dgonni April 5 2018 13: 46
    0
    An article beyond reason! before tsushima also bought ships in the wide world. What ended everyone knows.
  40. Lynx33
    Lynx33 April 5 2018 13: 52
    +1
    It’s a good idea to buy an aircraft carrier’s hull from the Chinese, put up a nuclear reactor designed for new super-icebreakers, electronics and your own air defense systems.
    1. askme
      askme April 5 2018 14: 24
      +2
      Here the trick is that the nuclear reactor is laid almost at the middle stage of ship construction, in the armored capsule of an aircraft carrier in the central part and in the waterline area. That is, if this is done at our shipyards, you will have to disassemble a half-ship for mounting the reactor. So it makes sense another option, IMHO: to have an electric ship, and to power electric motors from small nuclear power plants with generators (of the same type as the Poseidons), for the installation of which to reserve compact technological holes in the ship’s hull and special rooms in an armored capsule + in advance fully prepare reactor cooling systems. On the "Asterisk" and install everything. Everything is real. In addition to a large reactor.
  41. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 14: 25
    0
    [quote = smaug78] [quote = sib.ataman] [quote = smaug78] [
    / quote] Organization
    th own IN where there will be no sick! Only healthy nonsense will be carried! [/ Quote]
    All the same, once again I am convinced that the cheer patriot is worse than the liberalist. Where the liberalist shuts up after asking for a document / link, the cheer patriot will puff out his cheeks even more and continue to scream further. Since knowledge, mind and logic are replaced by a "patriotic chuyka" and an unread manual of the sample of 2014. [/ quote]

    Well, if rudeness is your face, then where does the cheers-patriotism? Judging by the manner of presenting opinions, was brought up on the Catechism? [/ Quote]
    I can’t laugh at your pearls anymore, read the manual better)))) [/ quote]

    They laugh at the pearls, who do not understand anything about it, and if you have nothing to do except floods, then it is better to self-education. Maybe they’ll consider it smart.
  42. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 14: 31
    0
    Quote: dgonni
    An article beyond reason! before tsushima also bought ships in the wide world. What ended everyone knows.

    Recently there was an article on VO about the Tsushima tragedy. Oh, very interesting version! I advise you to look in the history section.
  43. smaug78
    smaug78 April 5 2018 15: 06
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    Quote: sib.ataman
    Maybe they’ll consider it smart.

    Do not flatter yourself)))
  44. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 5 2018 15: 30
    0
    Quote: smaug78
    Quote: sib.ataman
    Maybe they’ll consider it smart.

    Do not flatter yourself)))

    That’s the whole point of liberalists-pulling lines from the kotext, and distorting the meaning to the extent of their corruption!
  45. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 April 5 2018 16: 20
    0
    That damn survived ..... for Russia, now China will be built by aircraft carriers, possibly frigates, etc. ...... because two to three times cheaper, and five times faster ...... kapets is simple, and the Russian Federation is no longer capable
  46. smaug78
    smaug78 April 5 2018 16: 39
    0
    Quote: sib.ataman
    Quote: smaug78
    Quote: sib.ataman
    Maybe they’ll consider it smart.

    Do not flatter yourself)))

    That’s the whole point of liberalists-pulling lines from the kotext, and distorting the meaning to the extent of their corruption!

    Quote: sib.ataman
    Quote: smaug78
    Quote: sib.ataman
    Maybe they’ll consider it smart.

    Do not flatter yourself)))

    That’s the whole point of liberalists-pulling lines from the kotext, and distorting the meaning to the extent of their corruption!

    And again you are about yourself))) The training manual has not been read, the April Fools' joke is not understood, the labels are hung up, the rest is puffy cheeks and a "patriotic chuyka")))).
    PS Liberalists and your cheers are disgusting to me. But the latter are more ...
  47. Cotnik
    Cotnik April 5 2018 17: 08
    0
    And here there are those who know what the Navy is not for the Internet. ??? And in his own skin.
  48. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
    Vladimir Ter-Odiyants April 5 2018 17: 36
    0
    Not noticeable, the "unprecedented friendliness" of the Chinese. Especially on the foreign policy vector of politics in Syria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and in New Russia. I would like to see China's practical efforts to support Russia. And meaningless vague and far from reality theses.
  49. gromovanton
    gromovanton April 5 2018 19: 31
    0
    The article was a success - there is no one indifferent to it!
    To build aircraft carriers themselves or to buy a question is not about where and from whom, but I see a question 2 here:
    A) Why do we need an aircraft carrier without a bunch of escort ships and equipped bases for their operation?
    A-1 Why do we need all this, even if there are many ships and equipped bases? (Dream) The Russian Federation itself, by virtue of its size, is like a huge aircraft carrier. It is very, very expensive and we will build 2-3 aircraft carriers; it will not be equivalent to the USA AUG.
    B) Why can’t we build? What are the reasons for this?
    That it is a politically beautiful move - yes. It’s really hard for me to understand why aircraft carriers are needed for the Russian Federation, except for reasons of prestige and to come to the shores of Africa, Australia and gasp for terrorists ...
    In one of the articles they wrote that to cover the strategic nuclear submarines, what prevents aviation from doing this from the coast?
  50. Dart2027
    Dart2027 April 5 2018 19: 51
    0
    I don’t know about aircraft carriers, but it’s quite possible to order hulls for frigates from them so that you can only fill them with equipment and weapons.
    1. askme
      askme April 5 2018 21: 33
      0
      This makes no sense. Since there are now no problems with the "hardware" of frigates. The problem is just with the filling. All delays were associated either with Polement-redoubt or with turbines. With nothing more.

      Another thing is an aircraft carrier. The scale of the hardware is completely different, so it would make sense. But only for the next 5-7 years. And then we can handle it ourselves without any problems.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 6 2018 17: 31
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        Quote: askme
        All delays were associated either with Polement-redoubt or with turbines.

        I know, but in any case, the creation of a corps takes time, which we ourselves know. This is not a solution to all problems, but as a way to increase the speed of construction is quite real.