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Cancel the exam. Proposal by the President of the Russian Academy of Sciences

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The President of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Alexander Sergeev, made a statement which is difficult not to pay attention to. During his speech at the Moscow Economic Forum, he spoke in favor of the need to cancel the Unified State Exam. In today's times, the proposal is quite revolutionary, especially considering the authority of a person, this proposal was proposed.


Cancel the exam. Proposal by the President of the Russian Academy of Sciences


RBC quotes the laureate of the State Prize of the Russian Federation, Professor Alexander Sergeev:
We must take a very close look at the problem of the diversion of intelligence from the country. For some reason, we are afraid of leaks of dollars, we count every month - how many there, how many here. For some reason, no one thinks how our intellect flows away from the country.


According to Sergeyev, the abolition of the USE, the increase in the prestige of scientists, and the return of the scientific part of Russian schools will help to rectify the situation.

According to previously published data, every year the staff that engages in scientific research in the country decreases by about 1,3% annually in recent years. In 90, the trend was even more dismal. Since 1990, the number of scientists and researchers in the country has fallen more than 2,5 times. At the same time, the number of persons with higher education increased, the quality of which, to put it mildly, leaves much to be desired.

President of RAS:
The tasks that we must solve are primarily related to the fact that this trajectory, this career of a scientist was attractive in the country. Our prestige of scientists is very low. And generally speaking, it starts at school. And we must make significant changes in this initial trajectory.
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey April 3 2018 15: 54
    +41
    I agree to all 100500.

    the last year before graduation, children do not study .. they are dragged to pass the exam.

    and basic knowledge .. namely knowledge - 0
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 April 3 2018 15: 58
      +5
      Quote: vorobey
      I agree to all 100500.

      the last year before graduation, children do not study .. they are dragged to pass the exam.

      and basic knowledge .. namely knowledge - 0

      There is no teaching, something between training and skills to follow the trail.
      1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
        Aristarkh Lyudvigovich April 3 2018 16: 09
        +20
        The Soviet school of education was a world leader, but the result of this education was smart, thinking people. Why do thinkers need the ruling class now? And elite children study in other programs, and usually in the West.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 April 3 2018 16: 13
          0
          Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
          Why do thinkers need the ruling class now?

          Do not remind when they introduced the exam? in my opinion not 16 years ago
          1. 210ox
            210ox April 3 2018 16: 53
            +8
            The ruling class is more than 16 years old .. Soon the thirty anniversary will be fulfilled by the Belovezhsk conspiracy and what happened then. And the USE will not be canceled. They’ll disperse the RAS faster. Because nefig .....
            Quote: LSA57
            Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
            Why do thinkers need the ruling class now?

            Do not remind when they introduced the exam? in my opinion not 16 years ago
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana April 3 2018 17: 59
              +7
              Quote: LSA57
              Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
              Why do thinkers need the ruling class now?
              Do not remind when they introduced the exam? in my opinion not 16 years ago

              The exam is a special form of the final exam, which is held in schools. According to the results of testing, graduates enter various educational institutions without entrance exams. An experiment in the Russian Federation with the introduction of the Unified State Examination started in 2001.
              Schoolchildren and teachers have another headache, and with it the question: "Who invented the exam in Russia?"
              World practice shows that the first such exam was held in France in the 1960's. At this time, the African colonies of the independent French state gained independence, so many visitors from Africa appeared in France. It is clear that their level of education was very low. French officials have done everything to simplify the exam system for children of African migrants. They introduced test questions.
              Thus, the final exam was combined with entrance tests in higher educational institutions.
              Unlike the Russians, the native French began to hold serious protests. They reported by the authorities that this form of examination leads to a "dulling" of the nation. The fight was short-lived.
              After 3 years, the French authorities evaluated the results of the reform and were forced to abandon the innovation.
              However, despite the experience of France, such testing systems have taken root in the United States on the principle of cheapening admission to educational institutions on the basis of the “2 exam in 1” and therefore is used in many countries around the world.

              I repeat "Unified State Examination" was historically originally introduced to adapt foreign migrants from former colonies of the "Old World".
              And in the Russian Federation this Unified State Examination was adopted with the active intervention of Mr. Soros in the Russian education and also in the regime of open borders of the Russian Federation for foreign so-called "Labor" migrants and their large families - mainly from Central Asia - temporarily residing in Russia.

              Namely. In September 1998, the Government of E. M. Primakov, under the leadership and with the support of Deputy Prime Minister V. I. Matvienko, the new Minister of Education and Science V. M. Filippov began work to stabilize the situation in Russian education

              In 2001, under the leadership of the Minister of Education of the Russian Federation V.M. Filippov in the government of U.M. Primakova was developed, and then, with the support of Russian President Vladimir V. Putin, it was reviewed and approved by the State Council and then approved by the Government of the Russian Federation, the program “Modernization of Russian Education for the Period until the 2010 of the Year”, which is the Unified State Examination and everything negative that is connected with it.
              1. Locksmith
                Locksmith April 3 2018 19: 29
                +5
                I in 1984 handed over a session at the Polytechnic in the form of "sportloto", as we called it then, and what if the oak was a walk .. This is just a convenient form of computer processing of material, it does not affect knowledge in any way. And what they don’t want to learn -This is another question, by the way, it correlates with the total salary of engineers, if road workers get much more engineer in production, of course we will have blacks (from the word illiterate) and road workers will have to think. In the country, even the overall quality level of consumption has dropped, it's a shame , no one dreams of high-quality sound or high-quality photographs, MP3-4 is high-quality sound, and MPEG16-XNUMX-bit compression of video streaming is a guarantee of high-quality picture on a TV request . No one prints, they look from phones on a computer with an uncalibrated matrix, even theoretically unable to give out the quality of usually photographs .. trouble. No. ..
                1. SEER
                  SEER April 4 2018 00: 34
                  0
                  Quote: Locksmith
                  I in 1984 handed over a session at the Polytechnic in the form of "sportloto", as we called it then, and what if the oak was a walk .. It's just a convenient form of computer processing of material
                  1987-1989 Volgograd Polytechnic. The department of "resistance to materials" used an automated survey system - the Vyatka-20 machine. At the same time, in the traffic police, the same machines were used to take exams. Users called them "a bribe of 20". That in the traffic police, that in the Polytechnic, the people responsible for them shared their experience of the so-called workaround - pressing a certain key combination gave freedom of action. Then it was called "cheating." :-)
                2. yehat
                  yehat April 4 2018 09: 35
                  +1
                  yes, itr is already being used as workers.
                  nobody cares how and when engineers receive sufficient qualifications to work, everyone is only interested in “exhaust” and labor hours. And this is the work of the worker.
                  No one thinks that technological solutions and projects are not born on the assembly line, that this process is not straightforward.
                  The extreme dullness of the management team, not understanding and not wanting to understand the specifics of using labor resources, is one of the main problems of our economy.
              2. yashka12007
                yashka12007 April 3 2018 22: 19
                +4
                I completely agree that the exam is made so that children from Mukhosk who are not able to study at preparatory courses and at tutors from prestigious metropolitan universities can compete on an equal footing with residents of the capitals and not be bombarded at the very first exam by some professor. So the USE capital of the rest of Russia joy.
                1. yehat
                  yehat April 4 2018 09: 51
                  +1
                  you are not right in everything. I entered the Novosibirsk University without any preparation at all and entered. You just have to study at school and, most importantly, alas, it was important to understand that the school curriculum is far from suitable for admission, and in textbooks there are often stupid simplifications and lies. This is especially true for subjects that are not strictly formalized - economics, philologists, and even mathematicians somewhere (for example, the mathematics are built differently and a particular professor is usually an apologist for only one of the directions of the theory)
                  I got this understanding because I constantly participated in olympiads, went to physical education schools and talked, asked questions.
                  Unfortunately, teachers at school very rarely let students know in time that the school curriculum is not enough to make a confident start at a university.
                  This illusion of confidence also destroys provincial applicants - it seems to them that if they learn the usual things, then this is all that is needed. And they are hard to blame for this - they have a narrow limited circle of friends, few people are able to find a problem, find a way to solve it and solve it, so the question is raised about courses and tutors.

                  But all these problems could be solved even within the framework of the USSR school. The easiest way - correspondence schools from universities, which pulled up students, gave them understanding and knowledge. Now it is much easier with the development of communications.
        2. bk316
          bk316 April 3 2018 16: 21
          +8
          The Soviet school of education was a world leader,

          Yah?
          Well then, the results are so deplorable?
          Do you want to have an exam in mathematics or physics right here at VO?
          In general, it’s enough to engage in mythology.
          This is for me the same scientist (whom in 1990 there were 2.5 lyams) I say.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 April 3 2018 16: 42
            +7
            The number of leaks is a confirmation of the quality of training. And the Soviet school (after which I graduated from Moscow State University, having arrived from afar) was really at a decent level. Daughter went to school in the United States, Stamford CT. College in New York graduated. Everything is different there. There is something to compare.
            So there is no mythology. hi
            1. bk316
              bk316 April 3 2018 16: 55
              +7
              And the Soviet school (after which I graduated from Moscow State University, having arrived from afar

              You graduated from Moscow State University, and I graduated first, and then he taught there for 10 years.
              So I know a better level. The level of knowledge was VERY different, which means that some had a high level not because of the system but in spite of it. Do you want me to prove this mathematically (heard of statistically valid statements)?
              1. CentDo
                CentDo April 3 2018 17: 17
                +7
                For a teacher at Moscow State University you have a little punctuation. Or was that the level of teachers at the main university of the country? It’s certainly not worth it to demand knowledge from students.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 April 3 2018 19: 24
                  +6
                  For a teacher at Moscow State University you have a little punctuation.

                  My boy, I didn’t teach at the journal faculty — at the VMiK. THERE DO NOT TEACH THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE. They don’t even write in Russian - everything is in other languages. laughing
                  Spelling is school, punctuation is arbitrary.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 April 3 2018 20: 29
                    +2
                    So let's tell me about VMiK, which I graduated several years earlier than you. And my classmates are the color of the profession to this day. laughing
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 3 2018 20: 45
                      +3
                      In my company in the early 90s, 6 associate professors of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology, doctor of sciences from Moscow State University with a degree of full academician of New York University, worked. Another New York Academician from VINITI (after physical education). And a colleague from the Institute of Systems Engineering (if that tells you anything) with 2 candidates. In his institute without a candidate was not taken at all.
                      So to assess the state of affairs in our science is much easier for me than you - do not hesitate. hi
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS April 3 2018 21: 40
                        +4
                        Quote: Alex777
                        And the depth of the tests there differs radically from ours not in our favor. I know what I'm talking about firsthand.

                        I repeat, the depth of knowledge is determined not by the educational system, but by the student himself. The Soviet school provided vast knowledge, but at the same time stimulated a person to think wider, more flexible, versatile.
                        hi
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS April 3 2018 20: 59
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex777
                      And my classmates are the color of the profession to this day.

                      Alexander you are right, but only partially. Likewise, your opponent is also not right everywhere.
                      You went to the institute quite consciously. And they went there to get real knowledge, and not just sit in pairs and graduate somehow, if only with a diploma. This is a CONSCIOUS choice of everyone.
                      Examination is a lesser problem in our education. For example: in England, an experiment was conducted in which several classes in their schools began to be taught according to the Soviet method. And when the level of peers was compared, the students traditionally have them and these students in, say, special classes, it turned out that the level of knowledge, width and the flexibility of thinking of the latter is higher and much greater than that of their peers.
                      We need to return the Soviet teaching methodology, and not just argue whether the USE is needed or not, as an element of education.
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 April 3 2018 21: 29
                        +2
                        Hm. IMHO what is called the Soviet system, in its origins - the German system. Therefore, the engineering school is so strong with us, and even more so with them. hi
                        Testing system type EG - tracing paper with American. Its purpose is completely different. And the depth of the tests there differs radically from ours not in our favor. I know what I'm talking about firsthand. hi
                    3. bk316
                      bk316 April 4 2018 12: 46
                      +1
                      Let’s tell you what?
                      Tell how they recruited from the rabfak out of competition, and then pulled to a diploma?
                      Tell how disers wrote for party members from Central Asia?
                      Tell how many people from issues 88-93 work in their specialty?

                      And generally about the color of the professors
                      What year did you graduate from VM&C?
                      VMiK did not finish the color of the professorship - the faculty is young.
                      Well, perhaps the very first issues.
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 April 4 2018 16: 14
                        0
                        B.I. Berezin was my course supervisor. By it you can determine when I finished. If you really need it. The list of problems is nothing. We had 350 people on the course. What you described concerned units. My level of understanding of the state of science in the country is based on personal acquaintance in the leading scientists of the 90s. Academics and doctors of sciences. It’s pointless to convince me. hi
                  2. CentDo
                    CentDo April 4 2018 11: 25
                    +3
                    My boy? You can refer to your son this way, and not to a stranger on the forum. I look at you also, and the culture of communication suffers. Does self-confidence go wild?
                    The teacher is obliged to correctly express his idea (at least verbally, at least in writing). The scientist is still forgiven for grammatical errors, but the teacher is not. Moreover, regardless of the subject taught.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 April 4 2018 12: 48
                      +3
                      The scientist is still forgiven for grammatical errors, but the teacher is not.

                      Are you the Lord God or his viceroy, to decide what and to whom is excusable?
                      1. CentDo
                        CentDo April 4 2018 13: 34
                        +2
                        Neither one nor the other. The fact is that a teacher who makes elementary grammatical errors casts doubt on his authority. A student may have a completely logical question: maybe he knows his subject in "C grade"? Anyway, if my teacher writes as he wants, then I do not need to monitor my literacy.
                        That is why I believe that the teacher should be impeccable not only in his subject, but also in such trifles.
              2. I am
                I am April 3 2018 20: 06
                +3
                and I taught 16, until the specialty included in the priority areas was closed. as unnecessary
              3. NEXUS
                NEXUS April 3 2018 20: 43
                +3
                Quote: bk316
                The level of knowledge was VERY different, which means that some had a high level not because of the system but in spite of it.

                No ... the level is different for everyone, it’s just explained: one wants to study, get knowledge and subsequently apply it in the profession, and the other just needs a “crust” about graduation and it is desirable that the diploma should include Moscow State University, MGIMO, Bauman and so on. ..the man for himself determines what he needs.
                But with all this, I am against the exam. Why? The old examination system with tickets stimulated students in an effort to gain knowledge (each for their own level, from the desire to get this knowledge) ... and in the USE, this stimulus is a psychological moment, is present in a much smaller proportion, if at all.
                Here it is necessary to raise the question wider. We need to return the Soviet teaching methodology. And this is not only a question of canceling the exam. The problem is much deeper. The level of the Soviet threesome would now be assessed as a completely high level of education.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 April 4 2018 12: 52
                  +4
                  The level of the Soviet threesome would now be assessed as a completely high level of education.

                  In general, a lie.
                  Who appreciated?
                  You can’t even imagine how the level of good programmers and applied mathematicians has risen.
                  But there are no troechniks either then or now among them.
          2. 210ox
            210ox April 3 2018 16: 55
            +1
            Disastrous results because this school was stolen. yes
            Quote: bk316
            The Soviet school of education was a world leader,

            Yah?
            Well then, the results are so deplorable?
            Do you want to have an exam in mathematics or physics right here at VO?
            In general, it’s enough to engage in mythology.
            This is for me the same scientist (whom in 1990 there were 2.5 lyams) I say.
            1. bk316
              bk316 April 3 2018 19: 25
              +3
              Disastrous results because this school was stolen

              Well, if they poheril, then before me - a year like that in 1960 ....
              But after reading the textbooks on which I studied in Bauman in the 50s, I doubt it.
              Judging by these textbooks, the country did not need scientists.
              But then MVTU was not one of the last universities.
          3. I am
            I am April 3 2018 20: 05
            +4
            And ???? let's do it. Throw tasks. just mind you take it from google for you after it will be easier to ban yourself. I remember the whole school program. I was well taught.
            1. yehat
              yehat April 4 2018 09: 55
              0
              remember the whole program? come on ))))
              Well then write on the go chem. hydration formula of copper sulfate)))
              I remember it was given to me in the 7th grade in the most ordinary school of a small town.
              1. I am
                I am April 5 2018 10: 55
                0
                Dehydration is the first: CuSO4 * 5 H2O → CuSO4 + 5 H2O ↑
                If hydration is just copper sulfate, to obtain copper sulfate:
                CuSO4 + 5 H2O → CuSO4 * 5 H2O
                1. yehat
                  yehat April 5 2018 14: 18
                  0
                  I do not believe that this is from memory)))
          4. yehat
            yehat April 4 2018 09: 53
            0
            why do you think the results are deplorable?
            I also went to science in the 90s and I don’t think so. The education system was already failing due to perestroika, but even at that time there was something to choose from, and even with a margin, from incoming universities.
            so the school was doing quite well.
        3. Mestny
          Mestny April 3 2018 16: 23
          +5
          Yes.
          And then these thinking, smart people joyfully shouted while listening to Yeltsin on an armored car about the hated USSR that had collapsed.
          There was no ruling class. How did it happen?
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 April 3 2018 16: 46
            0
            The fish rotted from the head. But in the end, now everyone who needs it has figured out what's what. hi
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 3 2018 18: 15
          0
          But because without thinking people, the ruling class will not have a fortune, since most of their profits come from developments, those very thinking people - you won’t get anything from fools.
        5. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin April 3 2018 18: 47
          +1
          Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          The Soviet school of education was a world leader, but the result of this education was smart, thinking people. Why do thinkers need the ruling class now? And elite children study in other programs, and usually in the West.

          In the West, universities and their curricula are very different.
          There are universities like the Sorbonne. Reception there without exams.
          And there are modest institutions with modest names such as a polytechnic school. They train leaders and diplomats there. Only school graduates with a mathematical bias who have completed two-year preparatory courses after school are accepted there. After which they passed very not weak entrance exams.
          This is me about France.
    2. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii April 3 2018 15: 58
      +16
      Bourgeois educational bells and whistles so that children get dull during dubious learning. It is necessary to remove this burden.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N April 3 2018 17: 16
        +2
        Take off for long. And what should be a positive program? How do you get knowledgeable people who can become good specialists, engineers, scientists at the exit from school? It will not happen automatically after the cancellation of the exam.
        On the contrary, opportunities to enter a university will decrease.
        It is necessary to improve the quality of the teacher corps, including raising the salaries of teachers - I agree, by freezing pensions, for example. Make a choice.
        In the RAS and Universities, the assessment criterion is to leave only a hirsch in the RSCI, removing SCOPUS and others.
        It’s difficult to increase the prestige of scientists when they only publicize the stars of show business, confusing them with cultural figures, and “athletes” - also members of show business.
        1. yehat
          yehat April 4 2018 10: 03
          0
          many were led to the words of Kudrin, what to choose - pensions or salaries of teachers
          but in reality, the government doesn’t have such a choice - they can still have pensions and salaries of state employees. Figures leads Khazin in his videos. Therefore, do not smack nonsense. The government has every means to make the school GREAT.
          But who needs it? We have a state system of criminal criminal monopolies and holdings that rule the country through lobbyists. They do not need well-educated people. They need muzzled engineers who, apart from specific skills, do not know how and do not know, and a huge mass of stupid cattle that can be controlled. This is the problem, not the money.
    3. maxim947
      maxim947 April 3 2018 15: 58
      +13
      Nifiga does not agree. The USE is a normal topic, it provides relatively equal opportunities for children, and there is nothing to hysteria the whole country ... although there is a place for crooks, it is a much smaller percentage in the absence of the USE itself. The problem is not the USE, the problem is in society as a whole, and also in terms of raising children.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey April 3 2018 16: 11
        +14
        Quote: maxim947
        Nifiga does not agree. The USE is a normal topic, it provides relatively equal opportunities for children, and there is nothing to hysteria the whole country ... although there is a place for crooks, it is a much smaller percentage in the absence of the USE itself. The problem is not the USE, the problem is in society as a whole, and also in terms of raising children.


        I answer .... passing the theoretical exam in the traffic police is a form of the Unified State Exam ... when my wife passed on the right .. I, along with the tickets, forced her to learn traffic rules and interpreted the basics for her ... my son scored. As a result, it is like a sucker out of the blue by a gay .. and his wife can calmly prove his point by point ..
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 29
          +4
          Have you seen the exam tests? Or only in the general wave?
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 3 2018 16: 33
            +6
            Quote: Nasr
            Have you seen the exam tests?


            the middle one is already getting ready .. the senior glory to God has passed .. therefore I know how they prepare for the exam
            rather than being taught how to find a solution .. laughing
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 34
              0
              Did the senior study poorly? Why was he preparing for the exam - that is the question? However, if you studied poorly, the first session will show ...
              1. vorobey
                vorobey April 3 2018 16: 42
                +6
                Quote: Nasr
                Did the senior study poorly? Why was he preparing for the exam - that is the question? However, if you studied poorly, the first session will show ...


                Yes, something like 4 years already ..
                1. maxim947
                  maxim947 April 3 2018 16: 53
                  +1
                  Counter question: why do our schoolchildren and students very worthily perform at various international olympiads, etc., and then the problems? because society is decomposed, everywhere you-wass, a huge number of incompetent people - without proper education, + thieves - where without them ... that's where the problem is. And the student falls into "this" cesspool and all his desire disappears to somehow prove himself and what to achieve. This, of course, is not about everyone, but the vast majority.
                  1. yehat
                    yehat April 4 2018 10: 07
                    0
                    very few students participate in the Olympiads. They do not show the real level of education. Rather, the level of motivation.
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 April 3 2018 17: 39
            0
            Quote: Nasr
            Have you seen the exam tests? Or only in the general wave?

            I still have them
          3. I am
            I am April 3 2018 20: 08
            +1
            Yeah, many have seen. 60% of the story, without preparation. I tried it myself. but in physics and mathematics there is primitive. Earlier, when they were preparing for the Olympics, they gave the first-year program of the university. and now at the university they do not have time to go through what was in the 10th grade before.
            1. bk316
              bk316 April 4 2018 12: 57
              +2
              and now at the university they do not have time to go through what was in the 10th grade before.

              Are you raving What a university.
              Did you have funkans and difura in your school?
              What kind of school is this?
              If you want problems, take an introductory writing in mathematics for mechatics and decide yes even for the last year.
              Forward.
              1. I am
                I am April 5 2018 10: 57
                0
                Dif first order equations were.
                Integral numbers were in full volume.
                The mathematical statistics were in full scope.
                Normal school number 80 in Saratov. Now it is not there by the way.
        2. cast iron
          cast iron April 5 2018 05: 20
          0
          You just have a son who went to a driving school to wipe his pants. Even by commenting on tickets and answers, you can understand traffic rules. This is not a higher mathematics. Available to any fool with due diligence.
    4. Nasrat
      Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 00
      +7
      Again, the power is changing .... maybe enough rushing from side to side ...
      My sons are studying with me - I was tortured to sit until 12 at night - to learn lessons! And there’s no talk about the Unified State Examination .... The bias is mathematics, physics, chemistry, Russian ..

      To a bad dancer constantly, something is interfering !!!
      1. Romulus
        Romulus April 3 2018 16: 04
        +1
        Quote: Nasr
        Again, the power is changing .... maybe enough rushing from side to side ...

        Calm down comrade! On the 18th, they drew a line .. throw away! Sleep well -Or Horde)
        Apropus (without translation)
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 07
          +4
          I’ll calm down when my boys graduate from school ... otherwise the rules of the game are constantly changing, that at school, that in the SDA, that in the Pension Reforms ... - INSUCH !!!
          1. Romulus
            Romulus April 3 2018 16: 14
            0
            I will answer you hi ! Try - not to change the rules of the game, but to school .. (I wanted to continue - but I’ll start to look like a jingo-patriot)) write and not where they can’t get to)
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 16
              +1
              Keep your advice to yourself! And I won’t tell you where to go!
              1. Romulus
                Romulus April 3 2018 16: 22
                0
                Quote: Nasr

                0
                NasRat (Eulampius) Today, 16:16 ↑
                Your advice

                J.opta Eulampius) Only from you I did not expect such an answer ... crying
                1. Nasrat
                  Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 25
                  +1
                  Well, sorry if that ...
          2. hydrox
            hydrox April 3 2018 16: 17
            +1
            But just in case, prepare them all the same THINK analytically: it will not hurt in any situation (exam form), but in life it can help very much with a well and skillfully organized process of thinking (only you need to teach children this from 6-7 class) ...
            1. Romulus
              Romulus April 3 2018 16: 37
              0
              Quote: hydrox
              Grades 6-7) ..

              Late crying
              Quote: hydrox

              0
              hydrox (hydrox) Today, 16:17 ↑
              But just in case, prepare them all the same THINK analytically:

              And I thought, there’s no need to prepare for this (- as I could - request
            2. yehat
              yehat April 4 2018 10: 09
              0
              This can be taught at any age (preferably after 4-5 years). The Polgar family proved that by the age of 8, analytical thinking can be developed at the adult level.
              1. cast iron
                cast iron April 5 2018 05: 24
                0
                Do you think chess players are cool analysts? According to Garry Kasparov, this is not noticeable))) And I didn’t hear something for the chess players to create something useful for people. Mechanisms and technologies are created by completely different people.
                1. yehat
                  yehat April 5 2018 14: 22
                  0
                  Botvinnik, Hubner, Capablanca, Nimzowicz, Lasker and many others were widely known outside of chess. We have a number of grosses in the USSR were well-known journalists. And Kasparov has done quite a bit in other areas, it’s just that it’s not so advertised.
          3. cast iron
            cast iron April 5 2018 05: 21
            0
            For whom you vote - that’s what you get. Don `t cry.
      2. Romulus
        Romulus April 3 2018 16: 16
        +1
        Quote: Nasr
        Russian

        Yours, the main problem?)
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 24
          0
          Quote: Romulus
          Quote: Nasr
          Russian

          Yours, the main problem?)

          Great joke ... put a plus sign?
          1. Romulus
            Romulus April 3 2018 16: 49
            0
            Quote: Nasr
            Great joke ... put a plus sign?

            Cool down the boiling water) Thanks to the admins - piAsat on the site after 8 ban allows .. (which are pluses to Xs)lol leave the pluses - neophytes)
            Come on YOU hi
      3. vorobey
        vorobey April 3 2018 16: 18
        +4
        Quote: Nasr
        . Bias mathematics, physics, chemistry, Russian ..


        pay for additional lessons? signed a contract?

        during the lessons, the teachers either pass reports or pass the exam in other schools and then wait for their students to prepare for the exam in paid additional classes ...

        and also such an element .. when they knowingly give tasks on probes that they did not understand .. and then parents complain that they need to go to additional classes .. there are almost no teachers left for teachers
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 20
          +1
          Stupidity, from the first word to the last ... I have three boys - nothing of what you wrote is not at all !!!! I didn’t pay once, only school classes. I have never sorted out tasks that did not take place at school ... Very strong teachers, all young, energetic ..
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 3 2018 16: 35
            +4
            Quote: Nasr
            Stupidity, from the first word to the last ... I have three boys - nothing of what you wrote is not at all !!!! I didn’t pay once, only school classes. I have never sorted out tasks that did not take place at school ... Very strong teachers, all young, energetic ..


            stick a scanned contract to you .. or a check for 463 rubles for paying special stages? I have four children .. will we measure pisyunami? I will not say anything about your ability to perceive and analyze the information received ... re-read the comment more closely.
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 39
              0
              Oh, we are already on you - send everything - I will carefully study ... really send! right here.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey April 3 2018 17: 00
                +2
                Quote: Nasr
                Oh, we are already on you - send everything - I will carefully study ... really send! right here.


                sho .. a member of EP to carefully study? ... Federal law, open and understand ..

                Federal Law 273 “On Education in the Russian Federation”

                The paid education system includes:

                additional lessons, electives, as well as events attended at the request of students;
                extension system - childcare as part of the training;
                additional circles aimed at the comprehensive development of students;
                It is planned to introduce paid professional subjects focused on the future training of specialists.

                and then carefully go back and re-read the commentary on this subject .. how they are forced to pay for these dopa ... but there is no agreement on hand .. now I’ll figure it out .. my son took both copies since they were without the school’s signature and seal, and back they didn’t give to their hands ..
            2. Romulus
              Romulus April 3 2018 16: 55
              0
              Quote: vorobey
              re-read the comment closely.

              Yeah - a shovel in the face .. (moderator)
              1. vorobey
                vorobey April 3 2018 17: 04
                +2
                Quote: Romulus
                Yeah - a shovel in the face .. (moderator)


                shovel in the face - it is necessary to earn it .. this is for exceptional lol lol
      4. bk316
        bk316 April 3 2018 16: 24
        +5
        I was tortured to sit until 12 at night - to learn lessons

        I’m really curious, why are you doing this?
        1. Nasrat
          Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 31
          0
          When you go to school with the children you will understand ... and if you have already gone, then you don’t need to know ... laughing
          1. vorobey
            vorobey April 3 2018 16: 38
            +5
            Quote: Nasr
            When you go to school with the children you will understand ... and if you have already gone, then you don’t need to know ... laughing


            Will you also join the army?
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 42
              0
              Quote: vorobey
              Quote: Nasr
              When you go to school with the children you will understand ... and if you have already gone, then you don’t need to know ... laughing


              Will you also join the army?


              Fuck .... jokes scabby .. see from the mind big!
              1. vorobey
                vorobey April 3 2018 17: 05
                +2
                Quote: Nasr
                see from the mind big!


                I don’t go to school ... alas .. repeat
          2. bk316
            bk316 April 3 2018 16: 48
            +7
            When you go with children to school you will understand ...

            My senior MAI graduated, and the youngest is studying.
            Never sat with them did not do lessons.
            Sometimes they approached, asked to explain something or to hint how to solve the problem ...

            They didn’t ask you an idle question. If you are now sitting with them until 12, will you also go to the Army with them? Will you take a session for them at the institute? And then work for them too ...
            1. Nasrat
              Nasrat April 3 2018 19: 01
              0
              Oh my god, do you want to teach me to educate my children? Then you have a long way to go, buddy! Follow the Stakhanov movement !! bully
              1. bk316
                bk316 April 3 2018 19: 21
                +1
                You want to teach me

                No to teach only for money. I want to understand ...
      5. cast iron
        cast iron April 5 2018 15: 41
        0
        If you explain the school curriculum to your sons, then honor and praise are to you. No kidding. However, you should understand that your children may not be able to learn physics, mathematics, chemistry, etc. No matter how much you sit with them and explain. One is given to understand mathematics, physics, chemistry, and the other, even though he breaks his brains, but still does not understand half. Everyone has different brains.
    5. marsel1524
      marsel1524 April 3 2018 16: 16
      +7
      The exam is impossible to pass without basic knowledge. Try to pass the profile test in mathematics or physics without prompts. And yes, there are practically no tests, only fields for entering answers, in the first part, in the second, a complete detailed solution is required. I consider calls to abolish the exam to be cheap populism. Pedstage 26 years.
      1. bk316
        bk316 April 3 2018 16: 26
        +2
        The exam is impossible to pass without basic knowledge.

        On the C grade is possible.
        This is not the case. 100 points in mathematics is not enough to say "this is the future mathematician" Agree?
        1. cast iron
          cast iron April 5 2018 15: 43
          0
          I’ll tell you more, studying at a special mathematical school does not mean that the student will become a theoretical mathematician or an applied one))) And then, you won’t make money in science in Russia. To be honest, of course, work. And if you "spin", then it’s possible for the teacher to get rid of the loot in the homeland as well)))))
      2. Mestny
        Mestny April 3 2018 16: 28
        +5
        I agree.
        For some reason everyone forgot that the classical exam system implies a human factor in assessing knowledge.
        Well, as a child, for some reason, the host of the exam did not like it. Go then prove that this is an unfair assessment. Or a specific child of a respected parent.
        The classic Soviet exam system is a monstrous means of corruption, nothing more.
        With the Unified State Examination, options are also possible, but very much less.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 3 2018 16: 40
          +2
          Quote: Mestny
          Or a specific child of a respected parent.

          These and USE normally pass ..

          Why does the parent committee collect 5000 rubles from the nose for exams? request
          1. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 April 3 2018 23: 24
            0
            This amount for guaranteed delivery of the exam, even in one subject is not enough.))
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 3 2018 17: 13
          +4
          Quote: Mestny
          The classic Soviet exam system is a monstrous means of corruption, nothing more.

          But I didn’t know. request They didn’t even take off sweets, except at graduation.
          1. sdc_alex
            sdc_alex April 3 2018 17: 32
            +2
            Well then, together with the abolition of the Unified State Examination, it is necessary to return Soviet society and Soviet people, who for the most part, did not take bribes (in any case, teachers wink )
      3. K.A.S.
        K.A.S. April 3 2018 16: 35
        +4
        very strange people call to cancel the exam! this system gives a chance, at the very daughter with the exam entered the institute. from friends. a simple family, his son is studying at HSE and there are many such examples !!!
        and whoever says that ehe is simple, then most likely does not understand what he is talking about!
        students with a daughter who have a very high score almost the maximum to study with their daughter! so they have such training that we have never dreamed of
        1. vorobey
          vorobey April 3 2018 17: 10
          +3
          Quote: K.A.S.
          very strange people call to cancel the exam! this system gives a chance


          correctly, it gives one a chance and can be depriving the other ... the psychology of children is different as well as temperament .. one can know, just get confused or make a reservation, describe himself or write the wrong number in the park ... a living teacher will see this and can understand the child knows the topic or not, it may not even prompt, but just pay attention .. but when solving tests there do not care .. there is an answer. and he is unfaithful .. all of you are a stripper .. your tutu steam train ..
          1. sdc_alex
            sdc_alex April 3 2018 17: 35
            +4
            Quote: vorobey
            a living teacher will see this and can understand whether the child knows the topic or not, may not even prompt but just pay attention .. but when solving tests there doesn’t care ..

            Either the same "living teacher" will fill up ... or the same "living teacher" will pull out. The Soviet education system is functional only if there are Soviet teachers. (honest, not corrupt, fair, etc. etc.). But the teacher is also a person ... and where there is a person, there is a human factor. Unfortunately, now we need to bring such ideal teachers, except from Mars.
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    7. sibiryk
      sibiryk April 4 2018 14: 07
      0
      Quote: vorobey
      ... the last year before graduation, children do not study .. they are dragged to pass the exam.
      and basic knowledge .. namely knowledge - 0
      Alexander, hi ! I’ll correct you a little, not the last year before the release, and starting from the 9th grade children begin to terrorize. It’s just that everyone knows about the exam, but they forget about the final exams for grades 1–9. My daughter is studying in grade 9, so I'm in the subject.
  2. astepanov
    astepanov April 3 2018 15: 58
    +11
    Paradoxes of Russian reality: the number of people with a diploma of higher education is growing, and the number of educated people is decreasing.
    1. Nasrat
      Nasrat April 3 2018 16: 03
      +2
      Hello from the 90s. A diploma in transition - and you are a doctor of science !!! wassat
      1. astepanov
        astepanov April 3 2018 17: 00
        +4
        Well, suppose you can’t buy in the transition, but recently there were abstracts of doctoral dissertations with which you would have drove a filthy broom in the seventies from the defense of your diploma. There were four doctors at the chemistry department in the seventies, now there are twelve (inflation-s)! Beggars, in collapsing classrooms and laboratories, with fraudulent subjects and despising students ... But there are traditions: the equipment of laboratories is all from the same seventies. Catch up and overtake her there ... Wait, hold your pocket wider ...
  3. Gray brother
    Gray brother April 3 2018 15: 58
    +3
    The power takes away the Unified State Exam from the people! How long? !!! laughing
    Well, come on, get out.
  4. scrap123
    scrap123 April 3 2018 15: 58
    +3
    Everything is rightly said by the Unified State Examination, it is high time to remove the discipline of students and teachers to schools, but at the same time raise the prestige of the teacher with wages, and punish negligent students with boorish behavior with the ruble of their parents.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 3 2018 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: scrap123
      to conduct discipline of students and teachers in schools,

      Corporal punishment galleries?
      Quote: scrap123
      , and punish negligent students with boorish behavior with the ruble of their parents.

      What scope for abuse. good
      1. scrap123
        scrap123 April 3 2018 16: 29
        0
        this is the reason ...
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 April 3 2018 16: 11
      +7
      Quote: scrap123
      and punish negligent students with boorish behavior by ruble of their parents.

      and not only the ruble. on September 1 in lesson 1 show it
  5. 75 hammer
    75 hammer April 3 2018 15: 59
    +2
    Hooray! The insight is close, the RAS already saw the problem from the introduction of the USE, but what is the GUARANTEE?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 3 2018 16: 08
      +3
      Quote: Hammer 75
      and what is the GUARANTEE?

      Can he also make a lesson schedule personally? A ministry of education exists for such things.
      1. 75 hammer
        75 hammer April 3 2018 16: 22
        0
        Or can he cancel the exam, and dissolve Mobr? I have one child already passed the exam, maybe the second will pass by? And the problem of education, by the way, is no less important than defenses! And in this matter all hope is only on him!
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother April 3 2018 16: 28
          +1
          Quote: Hammer 75
          Or can he cancel the exam, and dissolve Mobr?

          If the Ministry of Education and Science presents the president with a justification for the senselessness of his existence, then he may be dismissed.
          To cancel the exam, the participation of the president is not required at all.
          1. 75 hammer
            75 hammer April 3 2018 16: 30
            +1
            Yes, in our country a lot should happen in general without the participation of GDP, only at the exit we have that it works only under direct control!
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother April 3 2018 16: 36
              +2
              Quote: Hammer 75
              GDP participation

              Nonsense - any actions of the first person of the state are based on someone's expert opinion, his main task is to manage the state at the global level.
              GDP is not a god to know everything and keep up everywhere.
              1. 75 hammer
                75 hammer April 3 2018 17: 01
                0
                Where did the firewood come from?
                1. Gray brother
                  Gray brother April 3 2018 17: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Hammer 75
                  Where did the firewood come from?

                  Out of the forest, of course; Father, you hear, chopping, and I take)))
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 3 2018 17: 51
        +1
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Can he also make a lesson schedule personally?

        Since they turned to the guarantor, as far as I remember, the Bologna education system was one of the conditions for joining the WTO, where he had sought so much. laughing
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. April 3 2018 16: 10
      +1
      Quote: Hammer 75
      RAS already saw the problem from the introduction of the exam


      The Russian Academy of Sciences "according to the state" should see problems of education.
    3. hydrox
      hydrox April 3 2018 16: 22
      0
      Such problems are beyond the reach of the guarantor’s brains, because they are academic and medical not associated with grandmothers and the distribution of power, but with the cure of Russia from the liberal mess and the tuning of the brains to create ...
      1. bk316
        bk316 April 3 2018 16: 31
        +3
        the guarantor’s brains cannot do it,

        And your strength or just balabol?
        If you can share it, briefly, thesis ...
        1. hydrox
          hydrox April 3 2018 17: 23
          0
          It’s a bad thing if they themselves are not able to determine the capabilities of the Guarantor by at least one benchmark: why does he solve all the foreign policy problems brilliantly (and, without a junk, on the “five”!) Despite the fact that ALL THE INTERNAL policies (along with economy and finance) is in full oppa, and Russia is one step away from a riot? !!
          What do you say, Mr. balabol !?
          1. bk316
            bk316 April 3 2018 19: 30
            +4
            What will I say? That one benchmark is not determined.
            And about the "one step from the rebellion" balabol already 15 years balabolyat.
            But the theses never heard ....
  6. Weyland
    Weyland April 3 2018 16: 00
    +5
    It is high time! They used to teach at school think, and now they are stupidly dragging them to remember answers to test tasks!
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother April 3 2018 16: 11
      +3
      Quote: Weyland
      Previously, in school, first of all, they taught to think

      Previously, they even tried to educate at school, but now they just provide training services.
    2. bk316
      bk316 April 3 2018 17: 29
      +5
      stupidly dragged to remember answers to test tasks!

      How do people like to write about what they have no idea
      WELL LET'S ANSWER IN MEMORY the task from the exam in computer science
      "Write a program that in the sequence of natural numbers determines the number of all even numbers that are multiples of 9. The program receives natural numbers as input, the number of entered numbers is unknown, the sequence of numbers ends with the number 0 (0 - sign of the end of input, not part of the sequence). Number of numbers does not exceed 1000. The numbers entered do not exceed 30. The program should output one number: the number of all even numbers that are multiples of 000. "
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack April 3 2018 17: 39
        +5
        Quote: bk316
        The program should print one number: the number of all even numbers that are multiples of 9

        The same number (18, for example) entered twice (thrice, four times) - is it considered as one, or as several?
        The program is, in fact, elementary.
        Although I would not personally “remember” it laughing
        1. bk316
          bk316 April 3 2018 19: 33
          +3
          The program is, in fact, elementary.
          Although I would not personally “remember” it

          Of course elementary - this is the exam in INFORMATICS. Programming at school is not studied. But agree about remembering - nonsense. Look at questions on the exam in computer science, even from section A, there is nothing to memorize. But balabol continue to balabol.
          By the way, in mathematics, too, nothing was memorized (well, a maximum of 3) did not look at the rest.
          Of course, I can write how to study at school and how to test knowledge of exact sciences. But here it is of no interest to anyone the main political slogans. Yes, and most do not understand, even if I wanted to ....
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 3 2018 20: 54
            +5
            Quote: bk316
            about memorization - nonsense

            I agree. I also looked at some USE tests to understand what kind of animal this is.
            Quote: bk316
            here it’s not interesting to anyone the main thing is political slogans

            Yes it does. But sane people also come across. Just those charged are screaming, screaming louder.
    3. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex April 3 2018 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: Weyland
      to test tasks!

      But how many test tasks are there? have you seen?
  7. free
    free April 3 2018 16: 02
    +2
    Really stir? Let's see!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 3 2018 18: 17
      +1
      Exams will not be definitely canceled.
      1. free
        free April 3 2018 20: 49
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        Exams will not be definitely canceled.

        Why such confidence?
  8. 1536
    1536 April 3 2018 16: 05
    +2
    Once again we are convinced how easy it is to break the system, which would seem to be built by nature itself, and how difficult it is to rebuild and destroy the ugly, artificial that was created by the hands of foolish people who see everything as their own personal interest, or who have malicious intent.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny April 3 2018 16: 33
      0
      What is this "built by nature"? Is it really when the assessment of knowledge, which means that the whole future of the child depends on the mood of a particular Mary Ivanovna, who on the eve had a row with a neighbor, or does she have a toothache?
      Is it really not clear that it is the USE that transfers the assessment of knowledge into the field of a specific assessment, depending only on the one who passes such an exam?
      1. 1536
        1536 April 3 2018 16: 52
        +1
        Unclear! And where does MaryIvanna have any kind with her neighbor? If you have had negative experience on this, you should not generalize. Today there is a drop in the level of education. Is it associated with the exam? Apparently, it is connected, since this system turned out to be aimed only at obtaining a result, and not at obtaining in-depth knowledge in a particular subject. And this is due to the fact that the exam is not a logical outcome of the assessment of the entire learning process in high school, including the responsibility of teachers for this process, but simply the stage in obtaining any points, points, etc. to continue studying at a university. How you pick up these points and from whom is absolutely not important. Like in a supermarket. The main thing is that it is fresh and useful today or tomorrow, and after tomorrow you can throw everything in the trash and change your profession, and learn at the institute in old age. No, it is always useful, but in social progress it is not necessary, and, perhaps, harmful. This applies to the current exam system, which is being reworked. And, I think that the “corruption component” has not disappeared, and the slogan from Griboedov’s comedy “Woe from Wit”: “Well, how can you not please your little man” is valid.
  9. sleeve
    sleeve April 3 2018 16: 08
    +5
    I do not agree on everything 100500. The exam system as a SYSTEM of examination and further distribution of school graduates is quite an effective system, capable of "transparency" in contrast to the rest. It is necessary to deal with the form of the exam and the pedagogical content of education. Do not fall for stupid tabulations and guessing, but prepare a complete knowledge base and adjust the school curriculum for this. Do not try to "blunt" the children, turning them into players of ChGK. He passed the exam in 2017 and, in old age, entered the university. I watched the rating movement online, dropping out and growing my own chances. Open. The same for the exam. Pleasantly surprised by the increase in efficiency. Many tasks are precisely for reasoning, and not for guessing. I handed over humanitarian aid, moreover, I am not familiar with one of the objects at all. We did not have it in this form and filling then. I do not presume to talk about the written part (essay-discussion on a given topic in all three subjects). I just don’t know HOW they check., Because the verification criteria are in the public domain. In short, all this bullshit about "dullness." We go from the wrong side. It is necessary to improve the existing, and not to return the corruption component. People’s chance grew up getting into the university on their own. Enough to turn off the wrong way. And then, for example, you can cancel the tax, for example, it interferes with creativity by taxing theaters. Well, a real approach is necessary. I repeat once again, it is necessary to work within the created system with clear priorities: increasing the basic knowledge base, the ability to operate with this set of knowledge. All . No need for "revolution".
  10. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber April 3 2018 16: 10
    +6
    The test system for testing knowledge is certainly flawed, in principle.
    But the problem is not only in the exam. It seems to me that, no less problem is that, the programs themselves !! (there are not one or two) the education of children is also not "ideal", to put it mildly .. Without going into details, I think the vast majority of people who graduated from high school in the USSR will agree with me. In addition, the education system itself, “pushes” the parents on a “paid basis”. Under this, everything is imprisoned - making a profit. It turns out absurd)))
    For everyone knows that basic education and medicine are subsidized things from the state. And here, managers, with a "profit" ... everything was dumped in the "Services" !!! Rave...
    Here, or work for the future, or "Here and Now", which is in the spirit of the times.
    We need strong-willed polit. solutions, for there will be no development. Obviously ...
    And, a very important point ...
    The school distanced itself from parenting, in children, PERSONALITY .. This leads, to other, fundamental problems
    1. sleeve
      sleeve April 3 2018 16: 37
      +1
      The school was "distanced" from education, operating on the rights of the child and, in general, in principle, "rights." Have you heard anything about parenting without violence? I hope the word "violence" is not perceived as beating, and does not lose all the semantic load. All the rest of what you write ... Well, apparently your personal opinion. The test form of knowledge testing is the only way to compact the basis itself. This is the logic. Once again, you are striving for victory over attributes, and not for improvement. Paid preparation for the exam? Cool. So it is necessary to modernize the program itself, in order to leave this. I acted according to the "Soviet" system. And what? Paid tutoring and the same testing. In order to cover (and generally understand the existence of a problem) statistical information on the use of tutoring is necessary. Its targeted focus. ETC. But she is not and never will be. And we will only listen to voice statements about this. Moreover, we are discussing the Unified State Examination and the current education itself, we who have nothing to do with this (teachers, ay?) Or listen to this from the words of children. You yourself from the fifth class ran to school with love? Math personally terrified me. And in chemistry, I felt like a stone.
  11. tchoni
    tchoni April 3 2018 16: 12
    0
    I like this mappet show! At first they introduced an ege, honed people for this, installed CCTV cameras, adapted the program, equipped the classes ... washed a bunch of dough. Now everything is in the bum? Once again, they will put on a bunch of R&D on the development of new programs, teachers will have to relearn again, the hung cameras will be forgotten and taken away, like at one time a speakerphone system. and others, rochia, others. In 10 years they will come to their senses and again will introduce an ehe?
    Not that I would have been his special stoic, but damn, you can’t change the education system every 10-20 years! If it is constantly being reformed, then when will it work?
    1. sleeve
      sleeve April 3 2018 16: 39
      +3
      Yes, another attack of clicks is simple. As always, but now under the banner of the fight against liberalism. That is, no one wants to engage in education itself. Everyone wants either to fight socialist signs in it, and now liberals.
  12. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 3 2018 16: 18
    +1
    = According to previously published data, annually the staff involved in scientific research in the country has been reduced by about 1,3% annually in recent years. In the 90s, the trend was even more deplorable. Since 1990, the number of scientists and researchers in the country has fallen by more than 2,5 times. =
    And whoever conducted the analysis for what reasons, scientists leave their homeland? Is it only because of the low salary? I doubt that only. Mainly due to the lack of work on the topics that the scientist wants to conduct.
    What is the prestige of a scientist? High salary? But only?
    There is a lot of talk about brain drain and has a long history. AND? What is done? As always, if nothing, then, in any case, very little.
  13. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD April 3 2018 16: 20
    +2
    When the prestige of a scientist and engineer becomes higher than the prestige of an official or a financial speculator, then believe me, no obstacles will stop the thirst for knowledge, regardless of the educational system. And now, no perversions in education stop the enthusiastic children ..
    1. sleeve
      sleeve April 3 2018 16: 42
      0
      And how to raise this prestige? Let's not even pose the question. How to make a scientist out of a schoolboy with a high efficiency of scientific work in order to get the basis for his support. Well, of course, I propose to compare how things were in the USSR with this prestige of scientists. I ask you not to mention about the West, otherwise I’ll cry. And if you mention, then I ask you to be sure with facts and not signs like Silicon Valley or Oxford.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD April 3 2018 16: 59
        +1
        How to make a scientist out of a schoolboy with high efficiency of scientific work,
        Well, I won’t be clever, but a concrete small step to this proposal is the separation of children in areas of interest after elementary school and the further deepening of specialization in the course of the term of study. And an increase in the number of centers in the country, like the Sochi “Sirius”, where children with more and more prominent abilities in the learning process should, for example, conduct something like internships once a year for the state. score . And the prestige of scientists and engineers rises simply - young specialists need to pay more
        1. sleeve
          sleeve April 4 2018 04: 59
          0
          Absolutely true from the point of view of the rational with at least some awareness. All that it happens. And specialization and another attribute-competence, as a measure of the possibility of using a knowledge base (all this is introduced into the exam system, because it is the test version of the test that can effectively check millions of children in a short time, openly). Increase s / n. The same is. And the "Economic" grants in specialized institutes and just raising the content and the most basic solution of housing problems. All this is being put into circulation. True, in a poor economic situation. Centers? Well, maybe I won’t. I’ll just remind you that a full-fledged such center is under a billion and the content is not small. But they are doing it slowly. And even by the inductive method, bringing specialized quasicenters into a single system in the regions. Not fast, again for the money, but they get it. And something else ... It seems to me that here is the way of public discussion, what are we being called for everywhere like this: tell us what we are going to (what goals); Tell me when all this (goals and the path to them) formed into a system, began to be fulfilled, at what stage, and in the regions it is desirable (do not shine defense and oil and gas with space). We will discuss all this, go through the media and on the platforms and make our own “lepo” or “not lepo”. And then, once a year we will ventilate it all. And look at us in the next election!
  14. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya April 3 2018 16: 20
    +6
    The professor (not our Jewish colleague) sets out separately. USE is a real drag on templates, this garbage does not teach to think ((
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber April 3 2018 16: 26
      +1
      I agree, with you, completely!
      The test excludes creativity, in principle !!
      In my opinion, this is the biggest mine laid down under our state, country, so this formation imposed on us is unknown by anyone !!
      This "sharpens" us no worse than the economy and external factors.
      Mass debilitation of the population (eat, tasty, hang out nicely)
      Why not Glass Beads ???
      Well, who will tell me that this is “normal” - “The cult of food ????) there are lots of examples !!!
      Children, now, are “cool”. Not for achievements in sports / studies, but for the presence of a fashionable gadget! Nonsense !!!!
  15. sleeve
    sleeve April 3 2018 16: 29
    +1
    And what is the connection with the prestige of scientists and the exam? Let someone explain this in an accessible way, without the clique of "liberal betrayal." I myself am far from being a liberal, but this does not mean at all that we need to give up something rational. Or something that we cannot use rationally. Dirty entrances are not built with houses. In them, we are the crap.
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber April 3 2018 17: 10
      +1
      Here, tell me: what is rational, in that out of 11 years of schooling, in high school, children / teachers / parents (tutoring) spend at least two !!!!! Years, to prepare for the GIA / USE ??? Moreover, the essence of the questions, in the majority, comes down to the answer "yes", no "..
      As I recall, we wrote and justified something, at least!) Not?
      I repeat (I do not consider it true): a test, it kills, in people, to think creatively! Do not confuse knowledge of traffic rules, or codes of laws! There are axioms, and the hedgehog is understandable ..
  16. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT April 3 2018 16: 33
    0
    I applaud the academician. The process has begun. A leader of such a significant level will simply not offer it.
  17. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy April 3 2018 16: 39
    +5
    Here it is not the USE that needs to be abolished, but the system that pulled the Bologna system of education against the will of society, as a project to integrate into the global market. This is the strategy of the current system and without canceling the strategy, nothing will fundamentally change in the ongoing dulling of already grown and adolescent generations. There will be another window dress for the effective implementation of the "reforms" with the continuing degradation of creatively thinking professional personnel.
  18. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian April 3 2018 16: 45
    +3
    until Medvedev and miscarriages from the Higher School of Economics are removed from the USE government, no one will cancel them with all the will of the people ...
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber April 3 2018 17: 14
      +1
      Something tells YES !!
      Dumb plebs - an analogy of serfdom, until the end of the 19th century.
  19. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. April 3 2018 16: 49
    +2
    Brains go abroad - guilty ehe. The prestige of scientists is falling - ege is to blame. And that says the scientist. It is not surprising that real scientists are leaving such leaders. Some politicians.
  20. Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 3 2018 16: 52
    +6
    In theory, the words of the president of the Academy of Sciences are the last resort in the sense of a scientific assessment of the results of the exam. Or science must be decided, or with the exam laughing drinks
  21. Romanenko
    Romanenko April 3 2018 17: 05
    0
    Absolutely correct proposal, down with this rubbish, imposed on us through Medvedev pin-dosami for the collapse of education in the country!
    And it's time to stop monkeying!
    We had the best free education system in the world!
    It was methodically, under the dictation of the enemy, ruined from the beginning of the "democratization" of the country, now it has come to almost complete illiteracy of the population!
    It is not only necessary to revive education, it is again necessary to create a SYSTEM from the current chaos.
    It is necessary to recreate the system of secondary specialized education, to revive the best traditions of domestic higher education, and most importantly, it must again be made PUBLIC !!!
    And you also need to strictly ask officials and pseudo-scientists who have perverted the education system, making it inaccessible to the population and distorting the Russian language to please semi-literate boobies in power!
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice April 3 2018 18: 45
      0
      We had the best free education system in the world!

      Where such confidence? The communists whispered?
  22. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 3 2018 17: 05
    +6
    The exam is a barrier for bribe takers with advanced degrees. The exam is not ideal, but it gives children from poor families a chance to enter popular professions.
    But the "academics" from the 70s became very weak at the "discovery". So they are looking for plausible excuses.
    1. Doliva63
      Doliva63 April 3 2018 18: 09
      +5
      Scales, sorry! The first time I entered a university in the 80th. What bribes ?! Just passed the exams. Then (for technical reasons) he entered another university in the 83rd. And again, damn it, no bribes, I had to stupidly pass exams. What nonsense about bribes?
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 April 3 2018 18: 31
        +2
        .
        Quote: Doliva63
        Scales, sorry! The first time I entered a university in the 80th. What bribes ?! Just passed the exams. Then (for technical reasons) he entered another university in the 83rd. And again, damn it, no bribes, I had to stupidly pass exams. What nonsense about bribes?

        And I acted in the 80s (!!!) without bribes ... (but it was not a “narkhoz”, etc.) ... And then came the expanse of the 90s, when everyone who had “green” could enter universities presidents. " About certification commissions for "doctoral" and above - this is generally a "scientific" "klondike" for the elite.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 April 3 2018 19: 38
          +6
          Well, discussion colleague, the 90s is no longer the Soviet education system, alas! And we are talking about her.
          When I studied at the Higher School of Economics, in the 3rd year, other teachers and flowers, and champagne, were worn (for women teachers from the institute of economics and economics) before the exams, so they were then rolled away for exams so that your Arctic fox laughing But you could stupidly pass. And to receive as a gift (from the same in-language) a rare book - for the depth of knowledge of the subject. I have 2 of these, keep drinks
          My friend graduated in the 70s from the physics and mathematics class of Ural State University and his classmate’s daughter (victim of the USE), but he’s somehow called in a new way. A friend praised her like that - are you sure that she finished the physical education? And laughed.
          The point is not in the exam itself, but in the approach to education. Well, after 300 gr. I can’t say anything else drinks
          1. Hariton laptev
            Hariton laptev April 4 2018 08: 30
            0
            So she is not a victim of the exam, but a victim of those teachers who taught her at this university.
        2. sleeve
          sleeve April 4 2018 05: 01
          +1
          Vootoot ... We in education and HP also have upper floors and everything is not all right there specifically. There really will never introduce anything suggestive of transparency. Painter specific feeder.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 3 2018 18: 19
      0
      At least someone has seen.
    3. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice April 3 2018 18: 42
      +1
      I agree, it gives everyone a chance to enter the professions in demand.
      At us, in Australia, children pass the same exam. Universities track gifted students on the results of this exam. My nephew turned out to be the best in the state of Victoria according to the results of the exam, and the first everywhere in sports. Immediately received a bunch of offers from the best universities. They promise the golden mountains and free education, just to get it for yourself.
      I hope the same situation in Russia now.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 April 3 2018 19: 38
        0
        Quote: Alex Justice
        I agree, it gives everyone a chance to enter the professions in demand.
        At us, in Australia, children pass the same exam. Universities track gifted students on the results of this exam. My nephew turned out to be the best in the state of Victoria according to the results of the exam, and the first everywhere in sports. Immediately received a bunch of offers from the best universities. They promise the golden mountains and free education, just to get it for yourself.
        I hope the same situation in Russia now.

        I am sincerely happy for your nephew. The combination of sport and knowledge is generally a rare combination. Perseverance and talent in learning are now found infrequently. (The ability to "google" is being promoted) ... My son entered the budget in 2017. Before that, he won regional olympiads, received a gold medal at the end of school .... But neither the state nor universities offer anything. In Russia, the bank goes to leveling and fussing with "difficult" children. Young people who are taught are seen as wasting time. There are more “direct” career paths than “gnawing granite science.” ... "Neustralia", definitely. wink
  23. midshipman
    midshipman April 3 2018 18: 12
    +3
    Since 1989, the number of scientists (with degree) in the Russian Federation has decreased 2,7 times. Each year, the number of scientists decreases by 1,3%. During this period, the number of scientists in the EU increased by 3%, and in China by 10%. In the Russian Federation, the doctor of science, even at defense enterprises, does not have a wage supplement (although not at all). And in my time, doctors of science had salaries twice as high as researchers without a degree. Here is the result of the work of the Government of the country. The number of patents in industry in 2017 in the Russian Federation is slightly more than 30 thousand, and in China more than 1 million, also in the United States. Tagged and drunk rejoice, you ruined the country.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 3 2018 18: 33
      +1
      But we are well aware that out of this million patents - breakthrough developments of the unit, the rest is improvement.
  24. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 3 2018 18: 31
    +4
    The correct answer to the statement of the Russian Academy of Sciences, from the Ministry of Education and Science - “The Unified State Examination System strengthens the development of a unified educational space and enables residents of the whole country to enter universities on equal terms regardless of place of residence, providing a transparent and objective system of final certification of students. This system has been improved in recent years, removing, in particular, the test part from the tasks, "said Olga Vasilyeva, Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation."
  25. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 3 2018 19: 02
    0
    And where does the exam and brain drain? After the Unified State Examination, only morons can leak! Ahhh, I understand, after the exam there is no one to leak abroad! laughing Abroad, in the person of the brow, he was preoccupied: like how can it be, some morons are leaking to us! And we need brains! laughing
  26. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN April 3 2018 19: 28
    +2
    But it is high time to cancel the exam ... This test system was invented in the United States to monitor the work of teachers in teaching children with intellectual disabilities. a similar approach to assessing knowledge does not reveal the ability to think, draw conclusions, synthesize the information received in the examiner ...
    Yes, faster, more automated, but .... and that’s all ... It’s more convenient for someone there, but we’re losing our brains already at this stage. The test system came to us from the states, and they consciously sacrificed the level of literacy of the population as a sacrifice of financial stability. They do not need a THINKING population. Ram is always easier to control.
  27. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 3 2018 19: 41
    +1
    Well yes. And only then elite children and maskvichs will have access to a good education.
    People want to live a good and tasty life, which is why they are knocking over a hill. And only a few are ready to endure and fulfill duties in difficult conditions, because it is necessary. It is necessary for the country, for future generations.
    1. I am
      I am April 3 2018 20: 14
      0
      A good education is knowledge - not the prestige of a university. Previously, good universities were everywhere, in every major city. Nobody wanted to go to Moscow. All had enough work in their native cities. And only now prestige does not mean knowledge. Alas. and nobody wants to work so that he himself is pleased and the knowledge gained at universities is applied. Now just graduated wants a huge salary. but there is no knowledge. pay for what? they offer to learn at the enterprises - they do not want to go into trade. sold out the whole country.
  28. Vard
    Vard April 3 2018 19: 43
    +3
    That's right ... To restore the feeder of the examination commissions ... To cut off children from the provinces from the capital's universities ... It will ensure the study of the elected from the Transcaucasian republics ...
    1. I am
      I am April 5 2018 10: 59
      0
      Why do we need metropolitan universities ??? did the light converge on them? and those from the Caucasus, too, will stop climbing there if the CHALLENGE ceases to stick out as prestigious.
  29. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 3 2018 19: 52
    +2
    We are waiting for the year. If during this time the president of the Russian Academy of Sciences is not replaced, it means he easily got off.
  30. Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 3 2018 19: 57
    +5
    I just remembered. The daughter chose a university. By points, the exam passed for free training. But when enrolling, she turned out to be the 25th on the list - disabled people were put in front. I went for a fee. Not one disabled person has ever been in any class! Fortunately, according to estimates, she was transferred to a free one, otherwise I was ready to be "aroused." Here you have the fight against corruption with the help of the exam laughing I feel sorry for everyone who likes the way we live. They are either with mental development problems, or ... no words.
    1. Hariton laptev
      Hariton laptev April 4 2018 08: 25
      0
      And how would you be aroused if your daughter was cut off at the very first exam, whatever professor just because he didn’t like how long her skirt was or that she had not one but two or three earrings in her ear? Or how would you be aroused when people who didn’t come to the exam appear on the admission lists ??? And how would you explain this to your daughter ???
  31. Stin 55
    Stin 55 April 3 2018 22: 52
    0
    Not understood...? Are we smart people talking to us?
    Maybe the president, the newly elected, cancel ALL reform of its predecessor ?.
    Will declare them failed, not live up to expectations and how HARMFUL for the whole society.
    ALL reforms, not only education, and retirement, and health, etc. by the list.
    The Central Bank also needs to be "nationalized", transferred to the Ministry of Finance. The existing policy of the Central Bank since its inception, only slows down, no (!) - opposes the economic growth of Russia.
    But I doubt it. All 18 years have shown Putin's complete inconsistency in constructive activity.
    He does not know how to WORK. Chatting and pouring “oil” through his lips is a master, he was taught this in “KGB schools”.
    He created the CABMIN, which deals only with the fact that it is "looking" for an excuse with which other taxes to impose on the people. Completely removing from the agenda the issues of economics, industry, science, agriculture, etc. TOTAL.
    Putin surrounded himself with such a contingent in all directions.
    What can I do, "what is POP - such is ARRIVAL ..."
    So, not to see us "prosperity", for this Putin grabbed power. BREAK their destiny.
    The word - CREATION, for them an empty phrase and a set of meaningless letters.
    1. Stin 55
      Stin 55 April 3 2018 23: 09
      +1
      I also want to add what is called - ON THE TOPIC.
      I consider it necessary to cancel the reception theses printed on a computer.
      I consider it necessary to return to the previous practice - to write FROM HAND in a legible and even way, as we wrote our diplomas, and schedules and drawings, all by hand, in a ruler.
      This is a test for grammar and will have at least some idea of ​​the subject of the DIPLOMA.
      Our generation is an example of this. The future engineer should not download a thesis from the Internet ...
      THROUGH THORNS - TO STARS!
      Maybe then there will be less fires ...
      1. Hariton laptev
        Hariton laptev April 4 2018 08: 21
        0
        so in this case, the work will be downloaded from the Internet, rewritten, and here it will certainly not pass any anti plagiarism.
  32. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson April 4 2018 01: 23
    0
    It would be better to first cancel the RAS itself. Only translate grub on them.
  33. DimanC
    DimanC April 4 2018 07: 45
    0
    Abolish the exam as a single state exam, perhaps, should not be. But what is definitely needed is to change the presentation form. In particular, to completely exclude the so-called test system, when a person is simply taught to choose from what they are given
  34. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev April 4 2018 08: 18
    +1
    The number of leaking brains is not affected by the Unified State Examination, but by the level of salaries of young specialists and the dominance of old senile maths in scientific councils that do not think about science, but how to stay in a warm place and keep one granddaughter’s apartment or buy someone else, and cheeks are inflated.
    And in order to pass the exam without deep and thorough knowledge, everyone who is shouting and waving their fists, I suggest you download the exam in physics and mathematics, what you are strong about and solve it, I'll see what happens.
    The abolition of the Unified State Examination will give another round of corruption from schools to universities, and children from the provinces will be closed to high-quality metropolitan universities because their parents will lose the purse contest to metropolitan residents. In short, you need to start with yourself and not earn cheap populism
  35. reeston
    reeston April 4 2018 09: 23
    0
    My daughter passed the exam without physics - it's hard. On admission, he is not entitled to submit documents to a technical university.
    I didn’t pass the points and is now studying for a manager. And so I would go to a technical university. Replenished engineering at the factory and not office plankton in Moscow.
  36. X Y Z
    X Y Z April 4 2018 16: 47
    0
    I graduated from school in the early 70s and in those days it was a common place to laugh at stupid American tests and American schoolchildren as the fruits of their use. After several decades, the liberals dragged these tests to Russia. For them, to destroy everything Soviet and introduce Western, even if it is of the worst quality, it is the most ordinary and fundamental thing. Moreover, this action was accompanied by some kind of stupid ideas about social justice. Is it time to stop the mess? After all, we still have to go through several more decades, when the children of the Unified State Examination will begin their labor activity and will personally prove themselves.
  37. Felix
    Felix April 4 2018 17: 16
    0
    Colleagues, the exam is just a form of the final exam. If we have a curved system of school education, it does not matter in what form the final exams will take place, it is important that the curved system gives curves of knowledge. Well, subjectively, if, then 2 years ago, my daughter passed the exam, so it seemed to me that it was easier for me. Among other things, there is one effect - “unexpectedly” two excellent students from the class were cut off, which the teachers pulled (I don’t know for what reasons).
  38. seacap
    seacap April 4 2018 17: 54
    0
    Blah blah blah, and already for almost 30 years, more than one generation has raised "advanced consumers" by providing educational services. These figures, such as Fursenko, etc., who destroyed the world's best education and upbringing system, have done exactly the same crime against their country and their people as the Gorbachevs with the Yeltsin gang, even worse, depriving us of a creative and constructive generation, the prospects for the successful development of the country and society. They all continue to sleep softly and eat sweet, none of them even condemned for their actions to destroy the country and 10 million victims of their reforms. Therefore, this is all the next blah blah blah, for 30 years I’ve been told what to do (although I already know what to do), but no one does anything, and if he does , it would be better if we sat and did our blah blah blah. As long as the measure of success and value of a person, we will have the size of a wallet, and it doesn’t matter how fulfilled, the careerist’s achievements with the help of patronage and nepotism, while our so-called self-appointed elite, bureaucrats, swaggering elite will despise and hate their people and country, trying to copy their Western idols, we will not see good luck, we will be picking at our der ** me, engage in whining about our inferiority, repent on the orders of the owner for everything and it’s all inaudible, so as not to offend mumbling and making excuses, allegedly as if defending our interests, as a result, retreating further and more, losing ground. But it’s interesting, what would be the characteristic of our leaders and leaders, liberals, a combine operator and a construction superintendent with his the gang would be given by Stalin, I’m afraid that they wouldn’t like it very much, therefore they are miserable, poor in spirit and cowardly afraid of him even dead, hide their fear for lies, slander, with wretched faces these flawed ghouls are trying to rewrite history, depriving us all victories and achievements. And this is all upbringing and education, fundamental science, but not consumption in any way.
  39. bone1
    bone1 April 7 2018 22: 17
    0
    And who introduced the Unified State Examination? -Together with his relatives for life in the forest.