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Russian wiles on the bottom of the sea

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The sudden hysteria of the Western press over the stay in the South Atlantic of the Russian research ship Yantar may have a direct connection with the continuing search for the lost Argentine submarine.




And nevertheless it is also possible to learn something from a potential enemy. For example, the deepest realization of the indisputable truth that the best method of defense is an offensive. Especially on the battlefields of the information war. The day does not pass without the western "acrobats of the feather, the farce hyenas and the jackals of the rotary machines" did not give out to the heart another heart-breaking history about unthinkable treachery of Russia, which intrigues around the world. And even at the bottom of the sea!

No sooner had the propaganda volleys on the case of Skripl poisoning died down, as another deafening cannonade was approaching. This time, the whole world was asked to attend to Russian intrigues in the South Atlantic, where, it is dreadful to say, the Yangtar oceanographic ship of the Russian Navy has been cruising for several months already. Which, according to the western version, it is not known what it does there, but there are suspicions that it is something very bad.

“Russian ships circulate around submarine communications cables, forcing the US and its allies to worry that the Kremlin can remove information from communication lines laid in the ocean depths and thus open new rounds of information warfare between East and West. Our opponents can be aimed at submarine cables that connect the countries of the world with each other ”(in any case, it is stated in some media in the West).

“Will Moscow deal with violation of communication (that is, break of cable lines) or is it just going to connect to them?” Does the Kremlin want to cause Western concern in this way that such actions are potentially possible? Is there a more innocent explanation for the actions of Moscow? It is not surprising that Russia doesn’t say anything about this, ”the Russian ship to the South Atlantic interprets the Associated Press. Source.

It is noteworthy that the Moscow edition, which retransmitted another western tantrum, did not even go into assessing the plausibility of the above charges and immediately put them in its headline, taking for granted the "import" version of information wars on the ocean floor.

However, we will not hurry with such an unconditional trust in the conjecture of a potential foe. Especially this, which chronically lies, without blushing, and which is always and only Russia is to blame.

In addition, in this case there are certain grounds for believing that the hype raised by Western media around Yantar’s activities in the South Atlantic actually has completely different, much more serious reasons. On the essence of which the West, however, really do not want to speak out loud. Therefore, they invent everything on the go there, just to discredit the Russian expedition and achieve its termination.

Where does such agility come from? Let me remind you some facts. Especially considering the fact that there was practically no place for them in the extensive reprint of Western inventions by the Moscow edition.

As is known, in November last year, the Argentine submarine San Juan, along with the entire crew, disappeared without a trace in the South Atlantic. The international community, as usual, initially reacted vividly to this tragedy, and the leading countries of the West immediately sent their search forces to the disaster area. Russia also responded, urgently sent its deep-sea apparatuses to Argentina, and then redirected to the same ship the Yantar, which at that time was performing the task in another region of the World Ocean.

Russian wiles on the bottom of the sea


However, as soon as the time had expired, during which the hope of saving the sailors remained, the western participants of the rescue operation immediately announced the completion of their mission and left the search area. Only the ships of the Argentine Navy and the Yantar, who soon arrived to help them, remained in place.

Argentines have announced that they will search for a submarine until they find it, because they want to establish the cause of its death. However, the Navy of this country has practically no deep-water technology and, accordingly, they are extremely limited in their search capabilities. The Russian authorities went to meet Argentina and agreed to continue the mission of "Amber" in this region.



In addition to humane motives and an understanding of the need to strengthen friendly relations with one of the largest powers in South America, Moscow was probably guided by other considerations. The most important of which, of course, was the desire to maximize the capabilities of a real deep-sea search operation for the crew to acquire a Russian vessel, including for rescuing submarine crews, invaluable practical experience. Especially necessary for the Russian Navy in connection with his return to the world's oceans.

These reasons alone are more than enough to completely exclude any other versions regarding the motives of the Russian expedition to the South Atlantic.

As for the current Western insinuations about the harmful "Amber", which almost tries to cut through all the telephone cables at the bottom of the sea, then to commit such sabotage it is not necessary to drag along to the backwater of the World Ocean and world politics. This should be done, for example, in the North Atlantic, through which the bulk of all strategic submarine communication lines between North America and Europe pass. And if we take the western version as a basis, then the commander of “Yantar” is fit to reprimand for inappropriate use of the entrusted technology and vain consumption of service life.

I think, however, that Western “chiefs of panic” do not care about the wear and tear of Russian equipment and even the safety of South Atlantic communication cables. At the same time, there are certain grounds for believing that the causes of their concern for the “overly prolonged” mission of “Yantar” are directly related to the fate of the missing Argentine submarine. Which the Russians, along with the Argentines clearly agreed to look to the bitter end.

This means that when the boat is found, it will be installed and the cause of its death. Does this development meet the interests of the West? Is not a fact! Otherwise, why did the ships and aircraft of the US and British Navy leave the search area immediately after the rescue part of the operation was completed, without even trying to find out the cause of the disaster? Are the Anglo-Saxons so uninteresting? Or do they just know why it was “San Juan” that went down, but at the same time they categorically do not want anyone else to know about it?

Reasons for such suspicions exist. Here is one such evidence:

"Jessica Medina, whose brother Roberto Daniel Medina served on the lost submarine, in an exclusive interview with the newspaper La Gaceta said that a few days before the official loss of communication with a submarine through the WhatsApp app Jessica Medina received a message from brother: “It was a strange message in which he told us that a British helicopter and a Chilean warship are looking for their boat. Unfortunately, the conversation was interrupted. And that was the last message. ”In earlier reports, my brother told Jessica that they were swimming near the Falkland Islands, because of which there was a war between Britain and Argentina. This, in particular, explains the pursuit of the submarine by a British helicopter. Also, Jessica Medina added that many other families of the missing crew members also received messages from loved ones that at the time of the last contact the boat was fleeing from a British helicopter. To the question “Why didn't she say this before?” The girl honestly replied that she was afraid that other families were also afraid to say something. However, she decided to set an example for them all, because she knows that she is not the only one who is afraid and knows. ”


It is also noteworthy that the incident with an overly outspoken girl instantly hushed up, calling her message "wild and completely wrong." And the British Admiralty, which seemed to be completely irrelevant, immediately notified the world that "the girl’s claims are completely untrue."

But perhaps the most piquant is that all the royal army of Western propaganda, which shows miracles of ingenuity and perseverance, when it comes to the composition of the “Russian gas Novice” or the “doping diet” of Russian athletes, in this case amicably made pretend they weren't here. Can you believe that the innumerable legions of western borzopisty so uninteresting? I know only one case when they become such: if they were directly ordered to shut up and not go where they shouldn't go.

But the fact that they do not climb, just indicates that in the story of the death of "San Juan", the role of the West may not be the last. Especially since the motives of the Anglo-Saxons are more than enough. After the memorable Falklands War, they did everything to turn Argentina into an eternal outcast. And since then, do not miss a single case to remind her about it. Perhaps it was just such a case that they presented in November last year.

And if not for the Russian “Yantar”, the ends of this grim story would have been safely hidden in the water. It is possible that it was for this reason that some people urgently needed to remove it from there.
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  1. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx April 3 2018 05: 55
    +5
    personally, I would really track these cables and lay under them all the charges, actuated with the click of a button at the right time. especially in the Atlantic would be helpful ...
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 3 2018 06: 13
      +14
      if it turns out that the Britons drowned the boat, the alignment in the world will change. maybe that is why ours are trying to find it.
      1. Vasilij Pereira
        Vasilij Pereira April 3 2018 23: 37
        +2
        Perhaps this is also the reason for the hysteria of the "poisoners"? Amber will find out that the British drowned Argentina’s submarines, and the Britons have their answer ready: "You can’t trust Russians! They poison people in a foreign country, here’s the submarine, they drowned!"
    2. novel66
      novel66 April 3 2018 09: 36
      0
      so it can. and done already
    3. Igor Golov
      Igor Golov April 3 2018 10: 36
      +1
      Chop yourself Internet? But do not you think that such a step, to put it mildly, is not smart at least?
      1. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx April 3 2018 10: 51
        +5
        Quote: Igor Golov
        Chop yourself Internet? But do not you think that such a step, to put it mildly, is not smart at least?

        what do you need the Internet in case of aggression of a probable enemy?) but the effect of affecting the loot of a probable opponent will be similar to a carpet bombing of its entire territory at once))
        and it's time to do the Internet on the principle of China ... as far as I understand, it can work autonomously with them.
    4. boboss
      boboss April 3 2018 10: 52
      +1
      ...already done
    5. gendowar
      gendowar April 3 2018 11: 16
      0
      They already lie do not hesitate.
    6. yuriyselivanov
      April 3 2018 20: 18
      0
      In the North. And in the South, what to track? The Nazi base in Antarctica?
  2. SASHA OLD
    SASHA OLD April 3 2018 06: 27
    +4
    ours understand why San Juan could sink, and therefore they are looking for
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 3 2018 06: 50
    +6
    Or do they just know why “San Juan” sank, but they absolutely do not want anyone else to know about it?
    The author well developed a version of the death of the boat, which sounded, though quietly, after the disaster. I also tend to the fact that the essence of what happened must be sought in the Anglo-Saxon community.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ April 3 2018 13: 42
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      need to search

      please give statistics on the death of submarines after WWII, and how many of them were sunk?
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 3 2018 08: 03
    +5
    Moreover, the Anglo-Saxons have more than enough motives.
    From a stone thrown into the water always go circles. Naglo-Saxons want to convince everyone otherwise. angry
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 3 2018 09: 37
      +3
      that is, what does a stone appear from circles on the water? lol
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer April 3 2018 12: 08
        +2
        When viewing the film in the opposite direction - yes. First, circles on the water, then a stone pops up. Everything is upside down. This is exactly what is being observed in politics now.
  5. Sam_gosling
    Sam_gosling April 3 2018 08: 39
    +4
    They themselves laughed at the Swedes, who wrote nonsense about Russian submarines. And then those people started a dispute about the level of a yellow newspaper. This is definitely a military review, and not the site of the tape ru?
  6. smaug78
    smaug78 April 3 2018 08: 59
    +4
    Every couple of days, one of 428 submarine cables is damaged. Almost all errors are not intentional. They are caused by underwater earthquakes, bottom rises, ship anchors. This does not mean that people are unable to purposefully ruin the connection. So, off the coast of Vietnam in 2007, fishermen cut 27 miles of fiber cables, disrupting communications for several months. But the country was not completely cut off from the world, as there was another cable that supported the Internet.

    Usually you don’t even notice when the cable is faulty, especially if you live somewhere like the United States, because your Instagram message or call to Google Voice is instantly redirected. If you, for example, communicate via Skype with a friend in Romania, and a fishing boat or anchor breaks the cable, your conversation simply goes to another line. Many regions, such as Europe, the USA, and East Asia, have many cables running along a similar path. Their paths can be traced on the map.

    This means that Russia, having cut off several cables in the Atlantic, where its submarines were found, would not be very harmful to the global Internet. In fact, even if every single cable in the Atlantic Ocean were torn, traffic could still be routed across the Pacific Ocean.
    Since cliffs occur quite often, repair ships patrol almost all the world's oceans. Even if Russia really began to cut cables, there are ships designed for their quick repair.
    1. businessv
      businessv April 3 2018 10: 51
      +2
      Quote: smaug78
      Even if Russia really began to cut cables, there are ships designed for their quick repair.

      You suggest first to sink all repair ships ?! You are unkind! In fact, cables are over-emphasized. Everyone probably knows that there is satellite communications, which in most cases is strategic.
      1. smaug78
        smaug78 April 3 2018 12: 03
        0
        Quote: businessv
        You suggest first to sink all repair ships ?! You are unkind!

        I don’t offer anything like that. Just information for couch cheers warriors ...
  7. BAI
    BAI April 3 2018 10: 09
    +2
    causing the US and its allies to worry

    1. Valerian should be drunk.
    2. States, as always, measure the world on their own. They were caught back in Soviet times on the fact that they "sat" on our cable in the Far East.
  8. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist April 3 2018 10: 32
    0
    Well today it was reported that Amber was gone.
    1. seal78
      seal78 April 3 2018 11: 01
      0
      Who reported?
      1. yuriyselivanov
        April 3 2018 20: 20
        0
        Nekmiy Horhe Iil Pedro - Honorary Consul. And on the odd just a local bum.
  9. John Steinpreiss
    John Steinpreiss April 3 2018 10: 36
    0
    * The ground is so littered that in the near future there will be no need to fight.]
  10. Rostislav
    Rostislav April 3 2018 12: 23
    +3
    All these cries are based on the principle "people picks", because real methods of covert reading of information transmitted through optical fiber, especially multichannel, are not realized under water. Especially at a decent depth.
  11. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx April 3 2018 19: 46
    +3
    Americans with the Angles probably know not only the cause of the death of the submarine, but also the exact coordinates of the place of death. And "Amber", you see, has already come close, so they’ll start to burn asses at the "partners"
  12. geniy
    geniy April 3 2018 20: 36
    +2
    It amazes me: well, are all readers of VO so incompetent in military matters that they believe this stupid article? I understand when Western journalists are talking nonsense about how a Russian ship was going to cut underwater cables, but Russian journalists are no smarter! Well, how can you write that the British forces tried to sink the Argentinean submarine! Well, at least someone has a consideration? You all have an imposition in your mind that any provocation necessarily comes true. And you imagine that suppose a British helicopter attacked an Argentine boat with depth charges or a torpedo, but didn’t hit it - what will happen then? Indeed, in that case, the Argentinean submarine would certainly have reported to the base that an attack had been made on it - and this would in fact mean a declaration of a new WAR! And the question is for what? Would England really fight to sink just one ancient Argentinean submarine? Do you all even understand the absurdity of this assumption? Moreover, if none of you understands how sonar actually works, then in reality the roar of explosions of torpedoes and depth charges is heard by sensitive instruments for hundreds and thousands of miles. And this means that if a British plane or helicopter attacked an Argentine boat, other Argentine ships would certainly hear the sound of explosions!
    And I advise all of you to apply this principle of thinking: but if the provocation failed, then how will events develop?
    You all remember how the former Italian battleship Novorossiysk exploded and sank in Sevastopol. And most profane people believe that it was done by Italian combat swimmers. But you will recall that in the same way, Italian swimmers blew up two British battleships in Alexandria, but did not drown, but simply sat down on a shallow bottom, and the Italian swimmers surrendered peacefully. And just like that, the British minisubmarines blew up the battleship Tirpitz, and their crews surrendered to the Germans. But then there was a war and surrender was commonplace. And the battleship Novorossiysk exploded in peacetime. And if the Italian swimmers were wounded and surrendered to the Russians, what would be the continuation? And would not the Soviet Union declare war on Italy? That is, on the basis that Italy did not need a war against the USSR at all, I argue that there were no Italian swimmers at all, and Novorossiysk exploded for completely different reasons. And just the same with this Argentinean submarine - there was no and could not have been any influence of the English fighting forces on it, but it sank for its own reasons.
    And you can apply this method of thinking proposed by me in many cases. For example, a South Korean Boeing was shot down over Sakhalin. But the Soviet divers did not find any passenger bodies. And on the basis of this, Russian people are sure that it was a provocation, that is, a Boeing flew without any passengers at all. But then think with your own eyes: what if a Boeing were shot down one or two minutes earlier - so that it would fall not on the sea, but on land - that is, on Sakhalin Island. And at the same time that the President of America declared that the USSR committed a monstrous crime and shot down a passenger plane - chock-full of living people, the Soviet Union could immediately prove that it was a provocation - after all, a plane crashing on the ground would show that there wasn’t any passengers. Therefore, I believe that the government of the Soviet Union staged a grandiose deception: there was no provocation, but the Boeing was actually shot down with almost three hundred living people, but all the corpses were quickly removed and burned in the crematorium, and the Boeing itself was blown up, and a month later they allowed civilian divers, who honestly admitted that they didn’t see a single corpse.
    1. Dam
      Dam April 4 2018 01: 41
      +8
      It’s kind of like you're phoning, but ... something has reappeared again. 1 new user 2 heaps of text 3 detailed elaboration of any anti-versions related to a possible provocation of arrogance (I did not believe in this version before, but now I thought) 4 cherries on cake spit shit in the direction of the USSR and decayed provocation with a South Korean Boeing. Yes, you, dear man, are a snitch. More precisely, military infowars. Through you scum I see.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 5 2018 14: 30
        +1
        Quote: Damm
        Yes, you, dear man, are a snitch. More precisely, military infowars. Through you scum I see.

        Well, here everything is according to Stirlitz, the most important thing at the end of the post of Genius))))) I threw the shit on the fan, and thought Olezhka that they would not notice))))
    2. Senior manager
      Senior manager April 4 2018 09: 43
      +4
      Quote: geniy
      It amazes me: well, are all readers of VO so incompetent in military matters that they believe this stupid article?

      And answer, min. Hertz, to a simple question: why did the “friends” become so alarmed about the routine work of our specialists in searching for Argentinean underwater rarities, which nobody needs except Argentina? And this is not another attempt to stab Russia, but a screech on the floor of the world.
    3. Xscorpion
      Xscorpion April 4 2018 12: 41
      +2
      Hey, you genius couch, turn off the thinker, otherwise she’s gone to your station. What is so impossible with the possible bombardment of submarines with shaving? Well, if they didn’t hit the boat, do you think that the Argentines would prove it? What would they say? Something exploded near the boat?
      This is just one of the possible versions. Just like in the case of Novorossiysk, which was dragged out of place. By your inflamed logic, the battleship could not be blown up by saboteurs, because if they were captured, would the USSR declare war on Italy? Do you know anything about the preparation and mission of combat swimmers? If they were captured, they would sooner admit that they were Cameroonian fishermen and simply jammed the fish here, but they would not have solemnly informed that they were representatives of the Italian Navy and arrived to commit a terrorist attack.
      Any provocation makes sense. Even an unsuccessful provocation lays grains in the head of doubters. You have already sprouted these grains.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat April 5 2018 08: 19
        +1
        Moreover, in the British and American media, from the very beginning, all of a sudden, the version about a possible bombing of a boat in a mine left after the "Falkland" war began to be exaggerated ...
    4. Vlad5307
      Vlad5307 April 6 2018 21: 28
      0
      YES you h (m) was zombie fishing! Who does not want to see the truth, he comes up with such nonsense, passing it off as a reasoned truth, not subject to discussion. The Russian ship helps in the search for the Argentinean submarine and, perhaps, there are reasons for this. Otherwise, why did such "honest" Anglo-Saxons raise this howl ?! They say: "The thief shouts the loudest, hold the thief, the thief himself!"
  13. sergeyezhov
    sergeyezhov April 4 2018 20: 05
    0
    highly likely UK
  14. geniy
    geniy April 4 2018 20: 17
    0
    Quote: St. Propulsion
    And answer, min. Hertz, to a simple question: why did the “friends” become so alarmed about the routine work of our specialists in searching for Argentinean underwater rarities, which nobody needs except Argentina? And this is not another attempt to stab Russia, but a screech on the floor of the world.

    These bastards became alarmed because the RUSSIAN ship without their permission passed almost half the world and although it was doing quite routine work, but it is still an indicator that Russia has its own opinion on any issue, and does not ask Uncle Sam for permission that she can do like most other "free" countries. .
  15. geniy
    geniy April 4 2018 20: 21
    0
    Quote: Xscorpion
    According to your inflamed logic, saboteurs could not blow up the battleship, because if they were captured, would the USSR declare war on Italy? Do you know anything about the preparation and mission of combat swimmers? If they were captured, they would sooner admit that they are Cameroonian fishermen and they just jammed the fish,

    I have my own version of the explosion of Novorossiysk - from the BOTTOM mine, and a many times more POWERFUL explosion of another substance was added, and there were no saboteurs at all. But even if there were, I can remind you that the exact same saboteur - like a downed American pilot Powers quickly told the Soviet security officers who he really is and from which country he flew. .
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 5 2018 08: 28
      +1
      Do not share the version? Seriously interesting. I read the recollections of a diver from the Black Sea Fleet. he worked at EPRON, etc., so he wrote that the allies, before leaving Sevastopol during the Civil War, removed and drowned the entire ammunition of the Sevastopol fortress and taken from the military ships of the Russian fleet. They drowned it directly with barges and seiners, on which they were exported, in different parts of the bay and not far from the coast. So, in the funnel formed during the explosion of Novorossiysk, the remains of a small barge were found. Unfortunately, no one then attached importance to this.
      1. geniy
        geniy April 6 2018 22: 48
        +1
        You are probably right that during the Civil War the interventionists drowned ammunition in the Sevastopol Bay - to be honest, I did not know about it. But then you missed another point: our troops, before leaving Sevastopol, also dropped about 500 bottom mines into the Sevastopol Bay. And then the Germans, before the last abandonment of Sevastopol, also threw out the entire remaining stock of bombs and ground mines. So at the bottom there giant the amount of ammunition. As evidence, I can cite the facts that ammunition is still found there. And even personally, I’m a child walking along the shore of the Sevastopol Bay found an unexploded shell. And a dozen years ago, three Sevastopol residents found an unexploded bottom mine at the bottom and lifted it. And they began either to disassemble it, or to cut it. And German mines were generally in a wooden case made of boards. And this mine exploded, they were two in the distance and one of the most active died.
        Yes, as everyone knows, Soviet boats trawled the bay by depth-bombing. And although several ammunition from this method detonated, but given that at the bottom of the Sevastopol Bay there are at least two to three thousand bottom mines, in fact the bottom at Sevastopol is still not cleared. And although Soviet scientists after the war conducted experiments to measure the charge of electric batteries of German ground mine fuses, they did not carry out these measurements in the right way - in a room in which temperature and humidity constantly changed. And on the seabed, low temperatures and German bottom mines remained operational for at least 12 years.
        And if you warm up the batteries, they come to life a little. And the battleship Novorossiysk stood directly above the German mine and with its anchor greatly disturbed it. And in addition to this, he had a bow-generating station working and he threw warm cooling water right under the bottom, heating the mine and its batteries, which finally gained charge and initiated the mine. There was an explosion.
        But from one mine a large battleship would never have drowned. But the fact is that just in the bow of this battleship (just like the battleship Marat and in general all the battleships in the world at that time) was small gas tank, for seaplane. And this gasoline spilled out, and its vapors exploded with tremendous force - so that they created a hole in the area many times larger than the mine, and this second explosion was internal - and tore even the upper deck.
        But those who investigated this case were completely unprofessional. Firstly, they did not find a large and deep funnel from the bottom mine, and secondly, the sheets of torn plating of the bow of the battleship were bent inwardsbut not out.
        But the first circumstance is explained by the fact that all the sludge raised by the explosion of the bottom mine fell to the bottom right there in this funnel and filled it. The fact is that there is an explosion of any ammunition (whether a projectile, aerial bombs or mines in the ground under the open sky, then the pieces of land have considerable mass and inertia, and therefore they fly apart over a long distance from the explosion. But if the explosion occurs underwater, then water creates many times more resistance to movement than air, and immediately slows down.Therefore, during the explosion under the bottom of Novorossiysk all the sludge fell into the same pit and almost completely filled it, leaving only a small depression but a large diameter - about 30 meters.
        But the fact that the edges of the casing of the Novorossiysk hole were pressed inward and not outward, as I explain, is because the battleship plunged its nose into the ground before the death and with all its weight pressed the edges of the torn casing inwards. Thus - well, there were no Italian saboteurs there. It all came from common causes. In the same way, one does not have to look for traces of English influence on the Argentinean submarine - they had enough reasons to die.
        1. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU April 7 2018 23: 34
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          The last time a German, like BM1000, was raised in the Sevastopol Bay in June last year. Towed and undermined.
          In 2002 he was cordoned off, another similar one was taken out. The scrap collectors picked it up, brought it to a private house, a kilometer from the station ... With difficulty we found someone who agreed to sit behind the wheel, behind the levers of the crane. They blew up with the car. Very sophisticated defenses on them and fuses.
          How many more than that, no one will say. And with unexploded shells of small caliber, in Sevastopol twice accidentally encountered. Once on the shore, the second in shallow water, in the early 2000s.
      2. KVIRTU
        KVIRTU April 8 2018 00: 05
        0
        The operation of the bottom mine ... Read about BM1000, for example. In a nutshell: the battery held up to 2 weeks. All. Acoustic, magnetometric, barometric fuses of those times only on a moving ship, i.e. when changing the parameter, the noise level of the screws, for example. And Novorossiysk stood motionless on a barrel until the explosion 8 hours 12 minutes.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 8 2018 00: 33
          +5
          Quote: KVIRTU
          Read about BM1000

          About VM1000 and Novorossiysk:

          1. KVIRTU
            KVIRTU April 8 2018 11: 15
            +1
            Read. I reread Veremeeva through your link. Briefly, accessible (even for very brilliant), not overloaded with those. details.
            About the author:
            "Born in 1947. Russian.
            Officer of the engineering troops, lieutenant colonel, length of service 26 years.
            He served in the Baltic states, in the Far East, in Czechoslovakia, in the Urals and elsewhere. He was a commander, staff officer, teacher.
            1327 detonated and destroyed explosive objects (air bombs, shells, mines, land mines). The liquidator of the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (1988). Author of books "Attention, mines!" and "Mines Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow" and several kng on the history of World War II. "
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 8 2018 11: 17
              +5
              Quote: KVIRTU
              Briefly, accessible (even for very brilliant

              Especially for me, that is laughing
              I saw this topic for the first time. And they say that curiosity ruined cat request
              1. KVIRTU
                KVIRTU April 8 2018 12: 06
                +1
                Comrade geniy meant, well, yes you understood humor laughing
  16. geniy
    geniy April 4 2018 20: 33
    0
    Quote: Xscorpion
    Hey, you genius couch, turn off the thinker, otherwise she’s gone to your station. What is so impossible with the possible bombardment of submarines with shaving? Well, if they didn’t hit the boat, do you think that the Argentines would prove it? What would they say? Something exploded near the boat?

    And do you think at least a little: what could happen if the British damaged an Argentinean submarine, but she managed to report that it was sunk by an English plane / helicopter or submarine? Do you think that the Argentine government could not prove this fact? But you see, every country has a nation besides a government. And even if the government refused to defend its people, ordinary Argentines would not forgive the British for unscrupulous murder. If you think that the British live only in England, and the Argentines live only in Argentina, then you are deeply mistaken. If the media in Argentina had published evidence that the British had sunk their boat, then the entire Argentine people would not have waited for a world court, but would have simply begun to take revenge on the British anywhere: that is, to blow up peaceful English ships and planes, arrange arson in skyscrapers. So I’m sure that in reality the leaders of all countries are not satisfied with such provocations.
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk April 5 2018 14: 33
      +2
      Well, it looks like really a “genius” from 4th grade B.
      My friend, well, the refined Russian language is clearly climbing, not Russian. The Russians, for the most part, neither say nor write. It’s very correct in Russian, and native speakers never say that!
      It would be worth the curators of genyia Oleg to remember this.
      Now let's go further.
      The fact that there was an explosion was said hundreds of times. Even the area was called. And lo and behold, it just coincides with the area of ​​extinction of this disastrous, rusted boat.
      So, Olezhek - since you are so much savvy in the tricks of provocations and, especially, underwater sabotage war - how much do you have to tumble down a rusty vessel of explosives to drown it, eh? Marine explosives. which is stronger than land, as you know.
      And exactly, is it necessary to tumble? But wasn’t the bookmark made, even in that base in the Strait of Magellan, where the boat came from? And the British helicopter was simply convinced - but what does this pelvis not sink, because it should already gurgle?
      How is that option, huh?
      And the fact that the British clearly stuffed the Navy of the Agrentin with their moles - do not go to the grandmother. The Falklands are far from England, but very close to Argentina, and the British would be enchanting simpletons if their intelligence would breathe in those areas.
      .
      And specifically - who paid for such works, huh? MI-6, MI-5, MI 5,5? What campsite was made up of rubbish? About airplanes of a hundred years ago and "fearful! The Soviet Union?
      Who will get in touch, password review, secret signs ... count. Olezhek, stick around ... or, you know, in Britain "it’s very strange and ominous fog, isn't it, Sherlock? Elementary. Watson, this is the GRU and the FSB poisoning his spies!"
  17. myobius59
    myobius59 April 5 2018 10: 07
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    Quote: geniy
    It amazes me: well, are all readers of VO so incompetent in military matters that they believe this stupid article? I understand when Western journalists are talking nonsense about how a Russian ship was going to cut underwater cables, but Russian journalists are no smarter! Well, how can you write that the British forces tried to sink the Argentinean submarine! Well, at least someone has a consideration? You all have an imposition in your mind that any provocation necessarily comes true. And you imagine that suppose a British helicopter attacked an Argentine boat with depth charges or a torpedo, but didn’t hit it - what will happen then? Indeed, in that case, the Argentinean submarine would certainly have reported to the base that an attack had been made on it - and this would in fact mean a declaration of a new WAR! And the question is for what? Would England really fight to sink just one ancient Argentinean submarine? Do you all even understand the absurdity of this assumption? Moreover, if none of you understands how sonar actually works, then in reality the roar of explosions of torpedoes and depth charges is heard by sensitive instruments for hundreds and thousands of miles. And this means that if a British plane or helicopter attacked an Argentine boat, other Argentine ships would certainly hear the sound of explosions!
    And I advise all of you to apply this principle of thinking: but if the provocation failed, then how will events develop?
    You all remember how the former Italian battleship Novorossiysk exploded and sank in Sevastopol. And most profane people believe that it was done by Italian combat swimmers. But you will recall that in the same way, Italian swimmers blew up two British battleships in Alexandria, but did not drown, but simply sat down on a shallow bottom, and the Italian swimmers surrendered peacefully. And just like that, the British minisubmarines blew up the battleship Tirpitz, and their crews surrendered to the Germans. But then there was a war and surrender was commonplace. And the battleship Novorossiysk exploded in peacetime. And if the Italian swimmers were wounded and surrendered to the Russians, what would be the continuation? And would not the Soviet Union declare war on Italy? That is, on the basis that Italy did not need a war against the USSR at all, I argue that there were no Italian swimmers at all, and Novorossiysk exploded for completely different reasons. And just the same with this Argentinean submarine - there was no and could not have been any influence of the English fighting forces on it, but it sank for its own reasons.
    And you can apply this method of thinking proposed by me in many cases. For example, a South Korean Boeing was shot down over Sakhalin. But the Soviet divers did not find any passenger bodies. And on the basis of this, Russian people are sure that it was a provocation, that is, a Boeing flew without any passengers at all. But then think with your own eyes: what if a Boeing were shot down one or two minutes earlier - so that it would fall not on the sea, but on land - that is, on Sakhalin Island. And at the same time that the President of America declared that the USSR committed a monstrous crime and shot down a passenger plane - chock-full of living people, the Soviet Union could immediately prove that it was a provocation - after all, a plane crashing on the ground would show that there wasn’t any passengers. Therefore, I believe that the government of the Soviet Union staged a grandiose deception: there was no provocation, but the Boeing was actually shot down with almost three hundred living people, but all the corpses were quickly removed and burned in the crematorium, and the Boeing itself was blown up, and a month later they allowed civilian divers, who honestly admitted that they didn’t see a single corpse.

    Why so smoky something sick.?
    You’re tormented by Illy’s stomach, and you can’t "go" in any way; on the contrary, does Il climb from you, is that the same as in your commentary?
    I don’t even want to discuss your nonsense. Here are the different versions we heard about the Boeing, but you probably surpassed everyone.
    I understand that if God did not give the mind, then no one will give it to you. So you do not disgrace, and keep your delusional fabrications to yourself. And then in the end you will thunder in a psychiatric hospital.
    And learn to write, re-read your nonsense, and correct mistakes.
    Although why, delirium, he is delirium .. Let it be with errors ..
  18. mervino2007
    mervino2007 April 6 2018 23: 57
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    Quote: businessv
    Quote: smaug78
    Even if Russia really began to cut cables, there are ships designed for their quick repair.

    Everyone knows that satellite communications, which in most cases is strategic.

    Vadim, the strategic connection is terrestrial, which is more stable - less dependent on interference, more secure - it is more difficult to intercept than satellite.
  19. kig
    kig April 7 2018 05: 00
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    and a few days before the official loss of contact with the submarine through the WhatsApp application, Jessica Medina received a message from her brother
    Nobody noticed anything? Coastal people are often perplexed and even offended that sailors do not respond to WhatsApp, forgetting that WhatsApp requires the Internet. According to many non-waterfowl, the Internet must be always and everywhere, as well as television. However, at sea, the Internet can be accessed in several ways: through Inmarsat stations; via VSAT stations; via wifi networks, and of course with an ordinary phone or usb-modem with an ordinary SIM card. Inmarsat is very expensive, VSAT is not everywhere, its installation on non-passenger ships depends on the will of the shipowner. It is possible that the military may have other ways. However, I strongly doubt that the crew of the boat, and even at sea, has access to equipment that can provide the Internet. There is a phone and wifi. Let us leave aside that in order to access the network, such a crew member must be outside the solid hull. It’s better to look at the route of the boat and figure out where it could even be in the area of ​​the networks. I’ll hint that from personal experience, the Internet at sea, by phone, you can catch a maximum of 8 km from the coast. And it will be such a liquid Internet that it would be better not to have it at all. Wifi can be caught for 10 km, but for this you need to have a special amplifier. Next, estimate the possibility that the British were chasing the boat in this place. Not, well, if she surfaced in Port Stanley harbor, then of course ...
  20. Nickolai76
    Nickolai76 April 7 2018 08: 18
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    Funny in another, they usually blame and are afraid of what they DO. Britons and Americans apparently have been eavesdropping on our negotiations for a long time, and now they give out a ball of their own fears. And it would be worth finding an eyeliner, now is the best time to extract the skeletons from the cabinet, because it will not be convenient for them to be NOW when they try to consolidate everyone against us.