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Amendments to the law "On weapons". Is crime winning?

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Recently in one company I saw a wonderful collection of knives. Wrong Chinese "historical"movie toys, which are littered with counters in city markets, and real knives made by skillful hands of gunsmiths are literally a piece.




I, to confess, anxiously treat this mind weapons. Yes, precisely weapons. I will reveal a little secret, which only experts know about. In any television series where a restaurant or cafe is shown, more recently, a policeman could freely take a chef by the knife. Yes, yes, the chef’s knife in the usual restaurant kitchen was, according to our standards, a classic fighting knife.

In my childhood I always looked at my father's hunting knife. In principle, as I understand it today, a knife is ordinary. Yes, big. Yes, with a serious blade. And steel is serious. But most importantly, the knife was numbered. The knife was part of the hunting ammunition, the same weapon as the gun! I managed to hold on to him only while my father was cleaning and nurturing his "Izh."

Memories of childhood and some knowledge of the Criminal Code, and, to be completely honest, unwillingness to undergo numerous checks to obtain permission to store weapons at home, were the main obstacle to creating your own arsenal of cold weapons. A good knife, according to the previous classification, always fell into the category of weapons.

Yes, I still have knives. Good hunting knives. Factory made of fine steel, with handles of the most exotic materials. From African trees and goat legs to ... denim. But for all these knives, I have stored examinations carried out at the factory, in which these knives are not recognized as weapons. And when I go hunting or fishing, I take these papers with me.

Those who are interested in cold arms are well aware of this trick of the manufacturers of knives. At the cunning prosecutor there is always a more cunning lawyer. A large knife, equipped with a hook for ripping up the hides, for example, will not be recognized by experts as a weapon. In the same way, the law can be circumvented, again, for example, by the thickness and angle of inclination of the blade, by changing the butt and other things.

Today in the market you can find really deadly weapons, which is not a weapon. Many people have seen machetes, Finns, “painters”, “miscarriages” in shops ... Grandmother on the train, cutting the sausage with a knife with an 20 blade, see, no one is surprised. You will buy such knife on the platform of the next station in the kiosk. Next to the same sausage.

But back to the collection. On the wall there were real ones, not new replicas, Cossack swords and an officer's broadsword. Here I could not resist. The weapons of the Cossacks just can not be brought under the "lawyer" stuff. And any change in drafts, even intentional blundering, will not change its purpose and classification. Just make a fine specimen ...

What happened? Why is cold steel now in law? Korotkostvol, sports and historical weapons, reconstructive remakes have become illegal, and the saber quietly took place on the carpet?

It turned out ... blame the law "On Arms"! More precisely, those amendments, which began to operate since January 1 2018. Long-suffering law №150-Ф3. The last 5 years around it just did not drive dances. 75 attempts to amend the law. Ponder 75! And 38 corrections made!

I talked to an employee of the licensing department of our ATC. You cannot quote him (in Russian, the lieutenant colonel expressed himself). The essence is this: yes they went, these legislators! Are there no professionals at all? Okay, they adopted new standards, developed documents, trained people. Wham, again something is "lawful". Complete chaos at work.

So, the new rules actually legalized melee weapons. Hunting, historical, culturally valuable edged weapons no longer need to be licensed. In fact, any author's copy of a saber, checker, knife or something like that can be considered "having cultural value." Single copy! And my friend does not violate the law! Checkers royal times, it means historical weapons.

I understand perfectly well that now they will remind me about my grandmother on the train with a cleaver and sausage. Is such a “knife” not enough to pierce a person through? Yes, it is a toy. Yes, this “knife” in a week turns into a piece of nasty metal and plastic. But for once it is enough. 150-200 rubles in any kiosk, and you are again the owner of a deadly weapon.

I agree. The problem of "toys" exists. And for some reason it is hushed up. How to ignore the problem and cold weapons in general. Meanwhile, it is cold weapons, including “toys,” that cause 38,3% serious bodily harm, 27,6% unintentional kills, 22,4% total number of murders!

Moreover, after talking with people who more than once “went to the knife,” doing their job, I fully support the view that we should expect an increase in the number of crimes with the use of knives.

The bulls don't care. They need a weapon to commit a crime. In the previous edition of the Law on Weapons, it was a crime to carry both firearms and cold weapons. Naturally, other things being equal risks, crime chose firearms. Chose as a more effective weapon.

Today, the “boys” will be completely legally wearing “feathers” and will be law-abiding citizens. In this case, even a poorly prepared "bull" with a knife "paint" the unprepared man in the street in minutes. And the school of "boys" with knives will quite cope with a trained person.

Something our duma members have not thought out. The arsenal of serious weapons is now in the hands of not only collectors and hunters, but also criminals. Even attempts to reduce the danger by using different scabbards, holsters, and special cases for carrying such weapons will not lead to a reduction in danger. This is not a hunting rifle that can be disassembled.



Of course, it’s difficult to imagine a modern “tale” with swords, sabers and axes. A horseman with kama? Or Uzbeks with a pack? Yakuta with khotohon? Maybe it's hard to imagine a Cossack with a sword? Melee weapons used for silent killing.

Given the current state of society, even if a person is injured, a person has little chance of survival. He himself has repeatedly witnessed a completely disregard for the fallen, even before our eyes, man. There are fewer and fewer people in the normal, spiritual understanding of this term. My hut on the edge ...

There is one more argument that is necessarily used when discussing this problem. Household murders with the use of kitchen knives.

At the beginning of the article I already wrote about the chef's knife. There is something similar in our kitchens. However, any specialist who is engaged in cold arms will tell you with confidence that the effectiveness of a defeat or a hunting knife is several times higher than that of kitchen counterparts.

The penetrating ability of such knives is several times higher, and the injuries are more serious. I specifically looked at the statistics and expert assessments on this issue. Incredibly, mortality when using combat or hunting knives compared to household knives is 8 times higher!

In general, it seems to me, the amendments to the Law on Weapons did not so much improve the lives of hunters and collectors, as the law enforcement authorities tied up in the fight against crime. "Wolfie" with knives will soon take to the streets.

There is an urgent need to return the criteria for determining combat edged weapons, licensing collections and criteria for manufacturers of replicas of edged weapons. Hunters-hunters or hunters of large animals, and this is clearly not the first year of the boy, making a serious hunting knife in the permit to store weapons is not particularly stressful. And you need to start at least with the length of the blade.
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  1. Olddetractor
    Olddetractor April 3 2018 05: 14
    +21
    In all that is connected with bans and weapons, crime always wins. Time will tell the rest.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 3 2018 06: 03
      +57
      with all due respect to the author ... any rather sharp object, consider "sharpening". so pathos about "hunting" knives is just pathos. You can kill with a comb. went and with screwdrivers in the vague 90s-weapons is not the same! a kitchen knife in the skilled hands of a fighter will easily surpass the "katana" in the hands of some kind of wry-armed freak-fact. and yes ... the chef’s knife, called the “chef-knife,” and rather a status thing, expensive for the image. no more. Ponte, if you like.
      The penetrating ability of such knives is several times higher, and the injuries are more serious. I specifically looked at the statistics and expert assessments on this issue. Incredibly, mortality when using combat or hunting knives compared to household knives is 8 times higher!
      - strange statistics ... where were the military knives used, and where are the kitchen knives? kitchen in the kitchen, and fighting in real "showdowns? so for drunken kitchen fights there is no real goal to" remove the client "... in a fight, the question is radically different, no? in my opinion, the author" hedged the garden "with knives ..
      1. domokl
        April 3 2018 06: 18
        +3
        There are criteria for which the knife can be considered cold weapons. And these criteria worked up to 1 this January. You confuse the concept of "cold arms" and "recognition of cold weapons".
        Good video is posted below. There the boy perfectly justified these words.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather April 3 2018 06: 33
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          There, the guy perfectly justified these words.

          especially delivered about teeth ... and about how the trunk was taken from a police officer laughing laughing
          1. domokl
            April 3 2018 06: 42
            +6
            what This is the specificity of such blogs. Need to show your own coolness. I also enjoyed it. I would have looked at this truth-lover and law expert when talking with our riot policeman laughing
            That of all the monologue would have understood only “take away the gun” and began to act. bully And they work quickly and efficiently. laughing Once .. and you already face in a puddle fellow
            1. ArhipenkoAndrey
              ArhipenkoAndrey April 3 2018 07: 34
              +38
              Yes, the author already did a lot, the defender of disadvantaged inhabitants, passed it forbid and didn’t let it in, I remember when the elder with a huge bee fastened to the robe walked past the law enforcement officers and they didn’t say anything and when the Russian cut the sausage in a train and started to twist his hands for it, and that’s all because a dagger is for a Georgian, a bee-keeper for an Uzbek is a detail of a national costume, moreover, honed to razor sharpness, and a Russian with his dumb warehouse is always guilty. But this is not the point, and the main thing is that most of the tragedies were committed with an ordinary kitchen knife, and the rest from the crafty one, the criminal never needed permission to carry a gun or knife, and a law-abiding citizen was always deprived of the opportunity to defend against the most physically powerful raider, the people did not he has the right to defend himself - this is the postulate of power in the USSR and the current author, and even more so with sabers and other historical weapons.
              1. Hunter 2
                Hunter 2 April 3 2018 09: 46
                +30
                Strongly agree, I collect historical edged weapons! I’m wondering how many crimes, according to the author of the article, have been committed with the use of a combat Broadsword, Saber, Drafts, Sword or Swords (I can list further) ??? I will answer it myself! Ten thousandth of a percent !!!
                Where is the confidence - that frost, will massively buy these products ??? request
                Or I missed something, and in the yard - again, the eighteenth century has come ??? lol
                Let’s take sticks and stones - we’ll start licensing, otherwise these are the first items - they were used as knives! yes laughing
                1. yehat
                  yehat April 5 2018 15: 36
                  +4
                  the problem of weapons is not in the law, but in the mechanisms of control and investigation, prevention by "authorities". Now in the cities there are a lot of inadequately aggressive people with injuries who are really dangerous and whom it is rather problematic to hold accountable for their behavior. A sufficiently wealthy person can even kill right and left altogether, if he doesn’t do it very much, all investigations and courts will die out. And it doesn’t matter - he’ll kill him with a brick, a gun or a saber. And how many people, who are not registered by a narcologist, at the household level use hammers, screwdrivers and other tools?
                  And if a person wants to be able to kill, even the weapon is not needed - enough simple techniques with his bare hands. It is not the weapon that kills, but the one who holds it.
              2. Locksmith
                Locksmith April 3 2018 14: 23
                +2
                Quote: ArhipenkoAndrey
                I remember when the elder with a huge bee fastened to a dressing gown walked past law enforcement officers, they didn’t say anything

                Pichak is usually tied to a belt, he’s not wearing a robe. Pichak as a weapon — to watch only in films who at least once held him in his hands — they note the extreme inconvenience and imbalance of the knife, and they cut him mainly holding him between his fingers — the same bow. you can cut the flesh, but usually not in a combat situation, a calm ram. Uzbeks Russified easily change their pichak to a euro kitchen knife or some kind of Japanese variety - this is not a combat knife, it has an extremely weak handle attachment, which is why they are sold without problems everywhere.
                PS: Several times being in Uzbekistan I bought this knife for myself, and every time I sold it, well, not that !! Our knives are much stronger and more convenient, the pichak is purely kitchen, more precisely a decorative knife. Often I saw Uzbeks using the European form of knives in the kitchen.
                1. Daniel
                  Daniel April 3 2018 23: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: Olddetractor
                  In everything related to prohibitions and weapons, crime always wins.

                  The harsh truth of life sad

                  So, the new standards actually legalized edged weapons.

                  Yes, everything is logical, in fact. After the abolition of criminal liability for the "cold" at the beginning of the 2000's (I can’t remember a year already), both buyers and sellers put licenses on what is called "licensing". It was quite possible to buy a combat knife simply through the Internet (now - all the more so) and carry it with you. Even if he accepted such a fun “Rambo”, he was threatened with a maximum fine (not before 2's, not even before 5 tyr) and the confiscation of the knife, the administrator. And this is if the knife is really cold. If you examine the assortment of knife stores, sometimes there is such a "household", in comparison with which any combat knife looks like a penknife laughing
                  Naturally, in this situation, the presence of a licensing system turns into profanity and stupid paper transfer.
                  Actually, a subject:
                  Art. 9 Federal Law "On Weapons"
                  6. The acquisition, exhibiting and collecting of weapons and their ammunition in the territory of the Russian Federation are not subject to licensing in the event of:
                  ... acquisition of sports and hunting cold bladed weapons ...
                  The weapons specified in parts six and eight of this article and part four of article 13 of this Federal Law shall not be registered with the federal executive body authorized in the field of arms trafficking or its territorial body.
                  1. Daniel
                    Daniel April 4 2018 00: 08
                    +3
                    By the way, knives are not the most interesting. When these changes in the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation came into force, there was no limit to the amazement of knowledgeable people. Admire, suddenly who else does not know laughing
                    Art. 20.8 Administrative Code of the Russian Federation
                    6. Illegal acquisition, sale, transfer, storage, transportation or carrying of civilian smooth-bore firearms and firearms of limited destruction -
                    shall entail the imposition of an administrative fine on citizens in the amount of from three thousand to five thousand rubles with confiscation of weapons and their ammunition, or administrative arrest for a period of five to fifteen days with confiscation of weapons and ammunition to it; for officials - from ten thousand to fifty thousand rubles with confiscation of weapons and their ammunition, or their disqualification for a period of one year to three years with confiscation of weapons and ammunition to it; for legal entities - from one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles with confiscation of weapons and ammunition for it, or administrative suspension of their activities for a period of ten to sixty days.

                    On the black market, a simple “Saiga” or some kind of pump at a price at the moment surpassed almost all of the pistols, with the exception of the rare rare cars, and soared to the level of machine guns.
                    Efficiency at close range - neither a gun nor an automatic machine can be compared, and even if burned, there is nothing particularly terrible. Class good
                    1. old reindeer herder
                      old reindeer herder April 4 2018 09: 50
                      +3
                      For your information, the specified norm of Article 20.8 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation has been in effect for quite some time
                2. ArhipenkoAndrey
                  ArhipenkoAndrey April 7 2018 13: 13
                  0
                  Yes, the matter is not in the beetle, the matter is in who holds it, and where it hangs is also not so important, let’s you know the Russian man in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries didn’t leave the house without the belt on which the knife hung (male or female) as well as a bag of flint and salt.
        2. Vladimir Pupkin
          Vladimir Pupkin April 3 2018 22: 21
          +1
          And what you are not satisfied with the criteria of 18.03. this year:
          The following are prohibited on the territory of the Russian Federation:
          "1) turnover as a civil and service weapon:
          cold bladed weapons and knives, blades and blades of which are either automatically removed from the handle when a button or lever is pressed and fixed by them, or are advanced due to gravity or accelerated movement and are automatically fixed, with a blade and blade length of more than 90 mm, except for cold weapons of cultural value, including ancient (antique) edged weapons, copies of ancient (antique) edged weapons and replicas of ancient (antique) edged weapons; "? This is about a criminal" edged weapon ".
          And also introduced in the new edition.
          “The acquisition, exhibiting and collecting of weapons and their ammunition in the territory of the Russian Federation are not subject to licensing in the event of:
          acquisitions of sporting and hunting cold bladed weapons. "-
          implies the use of at least the same sheath when worn, which the blatata will naturally not perform, what kind of “right kid” will walk with the sheath? :-) And, accordingly, it will be subject to violation of the law with the ensuing consequences.
      2. The black
        The black April 3 2018 07: 36
        +5
        Moreover, even a poorly trained “bull” with a knife “signs” an unprepared layman in minutes.
        and a trained professional with a high degree of probability, too ....
        1. The black
          The black April 3 2018 07: 51
          +7
          I talked to an employee of the licensing department of our ATC. You cannot quote him (in Russian, the lieutenant colonel expressed himself). The essence is this: yes they went, these legislators! Are there no professionals at all? Okay, they adopted new standards, developed documents, trained people. Wham, again something is "lawful". Complete chaos at work.
          So, the new standards actually legalized edged weapons.
          Why did the “licenser” suddenly react so violently? He seems to have less work ... or bribes winked .... Wearing XO for a long timeoo no longer falls under the Criminal Code .......
      3. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat April 3 2018 14: 46
        +13
        The author has a wild mess in his head, implicated in childhood memories and not understanding normative acts! A situation has long existed in the country when some combat (army) knives, machetes and almost all hunting knives are NOT COLD WEAPONS and are not at all restricted in sales and so far we have massively cut each other out (this time). Changes to the law on weapons affected only historical weapons and weapons of cultural value, as evidenced by a rather expensive and complex examination - the criminal potential of such products is completely absent, because these are expensive and rare things (these are two). I don’t know where the author got his strange "statistics" from, but the vast majority of crimes occur with objects of "household purpose", which are in no way inferior in terms of danger to "weapons". For tens of thousands of years, people have been chopping each other with stone and bronze axes and stabbing with bone knives ... therefore, the slightly lower hardness of the steel blade according to Rockwell (making a bayonet knife from AK “not a weapon”) will not reduce its deadly potential for a single use.
        Before you write, you need to understand the subject ... and treat your nerves.
      4. Vladimir 5
        Vladimir 5 April 3 2018 18: 18
        +7
        The article is sucked from a finger and about nothing. Now there are so many kitchen and other knives of different types that it is impossible to introduce bans. But special knives can be banned, as is established in some countries: pop-ups of a certain length, folding "butterflies", daggers, stilettos with certain narrow blades. only pricked are suitable ... The main thing is that the society becomes healthy, then the crime will disappear. Today, society is impoverished, and this is always accompanied by the growth of crime.
      5. Ragoz
        Ragoz April 5 2018 23: 56
        +4
        A stupid article is hard to come up with.
      6. stroybat ZABVO
        stroybat ZABVO April 8 2018 23: 30
        0

        Yeah! A screwdriver is power! And everything is fair! But you are right ......
    2. Greg Miller
      Greg Miller April 3 2018 10: 34
      +3
      Liberalization of the circulation of weapons always leads to one thing - to increase the number of crimes associated with it. The USA is an example to you. Those. any conflict between citizens that would have ended with a simple household fight or scuffle, with a free circulation of weapons, will end with shooting and stabbing, because citizens in conflict will proceed from the assumption that their opponent has weapons and their willingness to use them. As for the protection against crime, the weapon here is unlikely to protect anyone; when using a weapon, the main thing is the INITIATIVE for its use. Those. if I have a knife and a decision to attack you, then the presence of a gun in your cabaret or a gun at home will not protect you from me, you simply will not have time to use it. GRURITY and, most importantly, inevitability of punishment for crimes committed are much better protected from crime. Under Soviet rule, arms trafficking was under tight control and everything was fine and calm. I personally would really hate for my children to go out to the streets, where every passerby has a weapon in his pocket or belt ... It is necessary to increase the sentence for using weapons ...
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 April 3 2018 10: 53
        +17
        Dear Greg Miller! Tell me - have you seen many conflicts that are resolved with the use of Historical edged weapons ??? request Liberalization has touched - only him! yes
        Although .... I would chop into a cabbage a couple of members of the forum! wassat laughing wink
        According to your post, we expect MASS challenges in a duel, choose: swords, sabers, broadswords, drafts and swords! laughing For special "gourmets" - halberds and axes! belay
        1. Greg Miller
          Greg Miller April 3 2018 11: 55
          +1
          Dear Hunting Officer 2! If you would have turned your attention to the fact that I simply, without quoting, would respond to the comment of the respected Olddetractor “In everything related to prohibitions and weapons, crime always wins. Everything else will be shown by time.”, Then you probably wouldn’t have desire to write to me about swords and broadswords ...
        2. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad April 3 2018 22: 50
          +9
          I choose "checkers", the option is "Chapaev"! smile hi
          But seriously, at home, in strategic places, I keep simple hatchets for cutting meat. So, just in case, suddenly the meat for cutting will break!
          But seriously, it’s like calls for a complete ban on everything that looks like a weapon smacks of the desire to turn a person into a slave without the right to life.
      2. Dreamboat
        Dreamboat April 3 2018 14: 51
        +5
        Quote: Greg Miller
        Liberalization of the circulation of weapons always leads to one thing - to increase the number of crimes associated with it. USA to you as an example ...

        Greg Miller, would bother to see the statistics! In Russia, the number of murders per capita is 2 times higher than in the United States. And you are talking pathos nonsense .....
      3. stroybat ZABVO
        stroybat ZABVO April 8 2018 23: 38
        +1

        Correctly! Only the "inevitability of punishment" !!!! Because there will only be "inveterate"
        1. Dezinto
          Dezinto April 8 2018 23: 46
          0
          Nothing like that except weapons (I just don't have one) I do the rest myself! And the spoon with the handle has nothing to do with it! Release them!
  2. Pax tecum
    Pax tecum April 3 2018 05: 32
    +13

    Here's a topic in a completely accessible language.
    The main and main thing here - cold steel becomes a weapon from the moment of its use.

    Article 112 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
    h) using weapons or items used as weapons, - shall be punishable by deprivation of liberty for a term of up to five years.

    Under the objects used as weapons, we mean any material objects, which, based on their properties, can cause harm to human health or life.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 3 2018 06: 05
      +8
      The main and main thing here - cold steel becomes a weapon from the moment of its use.
      I agree with that. I have in my car, and the knife in the scabbard, and the sapper blade are quite sharp, and the small hatchet is, by definition, very sharp, because it’s light, and to cut something down is more than heavy effort. In short, the arsenal ... you can "take" under "white little hands" .. lol
    2. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 April 3 2018 13: 41
      0
      The main and main thing here - cold steel becomes a weapon from the moment of its use.
      Not true. Melee weapons become weapons from the moment of their manufacture. Objects used as weapons remain such, that is, objects, and hereinafter, but do not turn into weapons. The guy explained the option of how to talk with the patrol.
  3. volodimer
    volodimer April 3 2018 05: 54
    +12
    "the mortality rate when using combat or hunting knives is 8 times higher than that of household knives" ... Well, yes, but Wolfs with knives will soon go to the streets "with knives that still will not fall under the law, and not with" hunting historical, culturally valuable edged weapons. "And because the old version of the law did not stop the use of surrogates in any way, it only complicated the lives of hunters, collectors and other law-abiding citizens and amended them. The topic is complicated, because the law is constantly changing. Of course, it would be better to pause life and immediately write the right law, but the headline about crime is useless.
    1. domokl
      April 3 2018 06: 07
      +2
      Why are you sure that these will not be hunting or combat knives? I do not know about you, but here in the city you can buy a serious knife for a thousand or two. On the market with a tray. Sell ​​blacksmiths-handicraftsmen. Or ex-cons. Such money is not a problem for crime.
      And these knives, most often, are absolutely not needed by hunters and collectors. There are few workers there. Yes, and interesting too. A good master always works "to order" ... You probably know how difficult it is to find "your" knife ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 3 2018 06: 43
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        and in our city you can buy a serious knife for a thousand or two. On the market with a tray. Sold by blacksmiths artisans. Or former prisoners.

        Yes, in any fishing shop to choose from ... there are very serious copies, without numbers, in the public domain, as in a hardware store.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 3 2018 08: 13
          +4
          Quote: Dead Day
          ..there are very serious specimens, b

          What can I say about "serious copies" ?! "The pig will always find dirt!" It happened that I fell into the “situation”, when without the “improvised object” I felt “not at ease”! I didn’t use a knife, but I had "a hand" with a hammer, sharpened screwdrivers, an "awl" made of a screwdriver so that the "cops" wouldn’t, undermined ,, (I'm an installer! This is my legitimate tool!)
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I April 3 2018 07: 59
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Sold by blacksmiths artisans. Or former prisoners.

        A long time ago (long before the “amendments to the law”) I’ve “watched” Chinese-made knives in formidable stalls ... they are sold “freely-calmly” ... If you say that this is “garbage,” I’m not with you I agree: "bend" the metal. the door, I won’t assure it ... but they can kill a person in full. And "look" what kind of kitchen knives now advertise "teleshopping"? Like ..... fittings can be shredded! And if we are talking about online stores, then how can we not recall the extensive arsenals of “forging” knives, throwing knives that are offered by the Internet. And all this is “bargaining” a long time ago! What is the meaning of "amendments to the law ...." for this area? I’ve been to Moscow not so long ago ..... At the bus station (where people come to Moscow from the suburbs ...) the arsenal of not only edged weapons, but also crossbows, pneumatics, was laid out on the trays ... and in online stores.
        1. Anatoly Anatoly
          Anatoly Anatoly April 3 2018 14: 07
          +1
          "the arsenal of" not only edged weapons was laid out on the trays, "

          No edged weapons there, definitely. Outwardly similar - maybe, but not cold.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 3 2018 14: 38
            0
            Quote: Anatoly Anatoly
            No edged weapons there, definitely. Outwardly similar - maybe, but not cold.

            Yes, I won’t argue very much! Let it be like! Now it doesn’t matter ... the fact that it was and looked "interesting"! Something you are right: there were relatively few “knives” in that place and at that moment .... pneumatics prevailed nearby (there were also crossbows). But this is in That Place and at That Moment .... Besides, after of how I showed “noticeable interest” and a decent time “trampled down” ... they hinted to me that they could offer “something more substantial” ... To clarify: “that this” I did not and “with great regret at face and voice "refused, explaining that I fly on an airplane; and I don’t want to be taken off the flight, as it was in Thailand. hi
            1. Anatoly Anatoly
              Anatoly Anatoly April 3 2018 15: 04
              +1
              "was and looked" interesting "!"

              I don’t argue, it looks interesting, but it’s not suitable for practical use, it’s just inconvenient.

              "pneumatics nearby (there were crossbows)"

              Low-power, not prohibited for free sale. Although I would not buy pneumatics there.
      3. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir April 3 2018 09: 04
        +2
        completely analogous ... whole "exhibitions" .... choose, I don’t want .... non-China ...
      4. novel66
        novel66 April 3 2018 09: 56
        +2
        "your" knife must be done yourself!
        1. Anatoly Anatoly
          Anatoly Anatoly April 3 2018 14: 08
          +3
          Not everyone has such an opportunity.
          1. novel66
            novel66 April 3 2018 18: 20
            0
            garbage, the main desire
      5. volodimer
        volodimer April 3 2018 13: 24
        +2
        Those whom the author warns about will obviously not bother with the purchase of a "serious knife", they will have a shitty Chinese craft in their hands. I say that the law restricting real cold steel weapons will not help, because the Chinese surrogate will not be killed, which will not fall under the law.
        The author is not satisfied with the law, neither do I, and the question of what is considered a cold weapon and how to regulate it remains open.
  4. Jerk
    Jerk April 3 2018 06: 10
    +21
    There are few bans in the country. The highest town hall is one ban, the mounting knife is another, it got out on the roof - again the goblins will run into it, and if they have a holiday like elections on their nose, they will screw you from there, no matter how you shake a bunch of documents and contracts.
    At the same time, those who always have the same knives suffer from prohibitions — they need to work, and a bull from the gateway will calmly buy a hole punch in the shop — he needs him only once, and frank shit will do. and for me - for work, because the steel is serious and the size is appropriate, I can only cut my fingers off the kitchen fingers, but I can’t cut the cable with a thick arm.
    1. domokl
      April 3 2018 06: 24
      +2
      You can not argue .. I myself saw the erection of the installer with a construction gun and a policeman. about the same scheme. shoots? It shoots. Can kill? Can. So take away from sin. And you can work with a hammer.
      By the way, according to the old law, the assembly knife did not fit the definition of cold weapons.
      1. Jerk
        Jerk April 3 2018 23: 10
        +3
        If. And so I drag the certificate with me, to go to the cops about the knife - already tired, more than once it was. There are - zeal - out of reason
  5. Yak28
    Yak28 April 3 2018 06: 32
    +8
    Today you can carry a knife without problems, but in any fight even when five unarmed people attack you, you will still look ugly before the law, the most interesting thing I don’t understand is how frankly military knives get the abbreviation tourist or removable skin, and why in Moscow in shopping centers and markets freely sold without any documents, Chinese knives that are XO, various kinds of miscarriages, butterflies of not frail sizes, and so on. You just don’t have to torment the fifth point, but allow the knives and the case to end. Note how the knife market in Russia of domestic production has grown, and imagine if firearms are allowed, how many interesting samples our gunsmiths can make wink
    1. domokl
      April 3 2018 06: 49
      +7
      The issue of firearm clearance is relevant for some of the population. It is a fact. But the point is not in the free sale, but in the control of the trunks! Do you want the trunk, get the appropriate permission.
      We have a category of owners of military weapons. Deputies for example. Mandate MP serves as a mandate to receive a combat pistol?
      Yes, it is disguised as a premium weapon. Or something like that. But the guns on hand. And guns sometimes shoot. Who is in the head of its own owner, and who is in someone else's head ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 3 2018 07: 10
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        Does the deputy mandate serve as a mandate to receive a combat pistol?
        Yes, it disguises itself as a premium weapon. Or something like that. But the guns are on hand. And pistols sometimes shoot. Who in the head own owner, and who else’s head ...
        when thrown out of windows, it looked more reliable somehow ...
      2. bardadym
        bardadym April 3 2018 11: 30
        +6
        I would say that the matter is not only and not so much in the control of weapons (although, of course, control is important), but in the ability and culture of handling weapons. Not even that - the everyday culture of handling weapons. That without more or less free circulation of weapons is unattainable.

        As an example, an armed officer or police officer on the street doesn’t bother me at all, rather evokes sympathy. But the average gopnik with a trauma or the same deputy with a short barrel - frankly scare.
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad April 3 2018 23: 01
          +6
          Yes, culture, weapons handling with a total ban on it ....... It's like in my time (late 80s.) Computer literacy lessons without computers in the classroom.
  6. bald
    bald April 3 2018 06: 44
    +2
    Another dummy to the laws. For that, a normal person - you have to pay and pay on instances. I still have a license plate, from the time of the USSR - they will make one devil pay, for all kinds of renewals there. The law from the category - stupid.
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 3 2018 08: 45
      +3
      Your license plate knife has not been covered by the Criminal Code for a long time ..
      who will make you pay? for what?
      on the contrary, they simplified the situation for the population ...

      just to bark
      1. bald
        bald April 3 2018 09: 13
        +1
        Now, no, but they will accept the law - think slowly.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 3 2018 11: 46
          +3
          Quote: bald
          Now, no, but they will accept the law - think slowly.
          -Changes to ZoO ALREADY entered into force. What reissuance? Toad presses to pay? So lose it on the hunt, there is no responsibility for the loss of XO

          What law are you waiting for?
          1. bald
            bald April 3 2018 12: 37
            0
            It’s not for you to decide and advise. Here, the article is discussed and each expresses its opinion, rather than yapping.
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 3 2018 17: 33
              +1
              Quote: bald
              It’s not for you to decide and advise. Here, the article is discussed and each expresses its opinion, rather than yapping.
              -Glory to God and not to you ...
              and by the way, you didn’t specify in which place:
              Quote: bald
              The law from the category - stupid.
              ?? What specifically did not suit you in these changes? What does not suit you in this law?

              Z.Y. and at brudershaft I'm with you did not drink
              1. bald
                bald April 4 2018 05: 24
                +2
                This is pure water another levy of money (specifically knives). Now you can go on the ice, to the fishermen - we have tens of thousands now (spring) and shear protocols, with the ensuing consequences. And this is a little bit of an example. And why again should I renew my license plate knife? !!! Pay fat to the upper ?! - Where does this money go? - Millionth army of fishermen and hunters, and at work - this is a requisite !!! And crime and punks will find something to cut. They remembered another money field. And the cases of attacks with the usual folding, I myself tried more than once with the union. Now at least 90% of the population falls under this law. My opinion, I have the honor.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 April 4 2018 09: 56
                  +3
                  Quote: bald
                  This is pure water another levy of money (specifically knives). Now you can go on the ice, to the fishermen - we have tens of thousands now (spring) and shear protocols, with the ensuing consequences. And this is a little bit of an example. And why again should I renew my license plate knife? !!! Pay fat to the upper ?! - Where does this money go? - Millionth army of fishermen and hunters, and at work - this is a requisite !!! And crime and punks will find something to cut. They remembered another money field. And the cases of attacks with the usual folding, I myself tried more than once with the union. Now at least 90% of the population falls under this law. My opinion, I have the honor.
                  - and it’s hard with you ..
                  You didn’t read the law, you didn’t read the Criminal Code and the Code of Administrative Offenses - but you’re trying to talk about “shear protocols”, “requisitions.” It looks like T. May - “it doesn’t matter who poisoned - the main thing is the RF’s fault”
                  1) there is no liability in the Code of Administrative Offenses for knives - therefore you can safely send a “shear” along the river
                  2)re-register you do not have to, moreover, they simplified the procedure
                  3) there is also no responsibility in the Criminal Code - as long as you don’t poke anyone with it, and for a long time there is no order of 5 years, or even more
                  4) so ​​that you understand-in the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation, even for such a thing punishable before violation is such responsibility today:
                  "6. Illegal acquisition, sale, transfer, storage, transportation or carrying of civilian smooth-bore firearms and firearms of limited destruction -
                  entails the imposition of administrative fine for citizens in the amount of from three thousand to five thousand rubles with confiscation of weapons and ammunition thereto or administrative arrest for a period of five to fifteen days with confiscation of weapons and ammunition thereto; "

                  earlier for this 3 years were givennow 3 thousand fine ...
                  1. bald
                    bald April 4 2018 11: 08
                    +1
                    It is clear that he did not go into the details of the law (on weapons of arms). Well, why should I, on a new register a knife, if it is inscribed on my both a hunting ticket and a scuba diver’s ticket. The point is not cheating, but the procedure itself. With a gunshot, everything is clear, although you yourself understand that illegal as it was - it will be so. In general terms, (I have enough, I have a weapon and a knife (before the law)) I know the law and read a new one. There, only on points - what relates to knives - almost all can now be punished. And what red tape was with me when, along with the police, I had to prove on the lake (I just came ashore) that the knife was registered for this ticket (scuba diver). Knife number and stamp where purchased. They brought it specifically. In short - I am the enemy. It is clear if a person dancing (for example) has a knife with him, and anyone else. Always normal knives were made of valves or springs, and preference was always given to good steel. And now? All this is superfluous. My opinion.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 April 4 2018 11: 55
                      +1
                      They presented you with what art. Code of Administrative Offenses - if everything was written down where you want it? Just bothering you? Even according to the old standards, you didn’t have a violation (entered into the OB? Entered!), According to the current standards, even more so ..
                      in general with license plate knives, of course there is a problem - it’s easier to buy a modern one up to 2,4 thick with a certificate - at least they don’t get seriously
                      1. bald
                        bald April 4 2018 16: 27
                        +2
                        Definitely got to the bottom. But at the traffic police posts - two guardians could not find the number on the gun until he showed it. Okay, everything is fine, bye.
  7. tasha
    tasha April 3 2018 06: 47
    +1
    Hunting, historical, culturally valuable edged weapons no longer need to be licensed.

    Correct if wrong. The cultural value of weapons is determined by the results of state examination, it costs some money and must be confirmed by a document.
  8. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. April 3 2018 07: 26
    +3
    I wonder how in other countries this problem is being solved. Maybe you do not need to fence the garden?
    The law does not stop cubs with knives, but this law disarms a law-abiding person!
    1. domokl
      April 3 2018 07: 55
      +3
      Kostya, do you carry a knife in your pocket? For your own safety?
      Quote: K.A.S.
      but a law-abiding person disarms this law!

      The presence of a weapon in a pocket without good skills for its use is a negative rather than a positive factor. They will also take you away with your knife ... Alas, this is the prose of life ...
      1. stroybat ZABVO
        stroybat ZABVO April 8 2018 23: 51
        +1
        They will take it and they will stab you with your knife. They will take you away and kick you with your knife ..... yes, what is this? AND? For thirty years I’ve been “walking” with a pistol in Argentina, and only at the Russian VO forum they say to me: “They will take you away and kick you with your knife.” This is a troublesome business, I will answer you that way, although I am old already and walk with a wand.
  9. raw174
    raw174 April 3 2018 07: 38
    +2
    Crooks and gopniks just carry storages and butterflies, which were always in the public domain ... they needless license plates and other hunting and combat knives ...
    I’m a hunter, I have a clean Chinese knife, I wrote it from a site ... quite good, I need a roe deer to peel and cut a few carcasses, then I need to fix it ... So what do I need to get permission for it? And if I formalize, how to identify it? Maybe it makes sense to exempt from obtaining permits for the cold those who have permission for a firearm and injury?
    1. domokl
      April 3 2018 08: 01
      +1
      It's not even about resolution. By the way, a hunting ticket automatically entitles you to purchase a license plate. No special permission was ever required. Another thing is that the knife is not a gun. It can be easily lost on the hunt. And here there can be questions.
      A Chinese-made knife is most likely a replica or a copy of famous brands. And it can not be classified as cold weapons. There are always nuances that cross out this possibility ...
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 April 3 2018 09: 31
        +4
        Domocles - You are wrong! The right to purchase a license plate knife gives a permit for a gun (gunshot) of ROHA, not a hunting ticket! hi
      2. raw174
        raw174 April 3 2018 09: 45
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Another thing is that the knife is not a gun. It can be easily lost on the hunt. And here questions may arise.

        Yes, they lost knives more than once ...
        Quote: domokl
        A Chinese-made knife is most likely a replica or a copy of famous brands. And it can not be classified as cold weapons. There are always nuances that cross out this possibility ...

        Of course! My “Admiral” is called, it’s not bad at all, and the fact that it will not be classified as a weapon does not deprive it of its qualities, due to which it can be used as a weapon ... That is if you follow the author’s advice and enter permission, the bully will buy the same Chinese knife and go with him ...
  10. Aaleks1974
    Aaleks1974 April 3 2018 08: 14
    +8
    Since concrete numbers have gone, after all, 8 TIMES is EFFECTIVE, maybe the author still will not dissemble, but will write as is? With a household knife, drunk Vasya pokes into the smoke in his same drunken neighbor, Vanya, and if he is given a combat knife, the situation will not change. As I understand it, the author’s dream is to take away all sharp-cutting objects from the population, even if they break bread and sausage with their hands? It remains only for all the bandits to write out for the guard from among the policemen (as in our town, the police are only busy protecting the drug dealers - they constantly go to the camp for “salary”), and will grace come?
  11. Vard
    Vard April 3 2018 09: 03
    +10
    Regarding knife fighting ... if it came to him ... then the best thing you can do is try to run away ... But in fact, hold the knife so that it is not visible ... hold the blade to your hand or body and when distance will allow ... hit ... It is desirable in the face ... or in the stomach ... Remember that ten years is a trifle in comparison with the life and health of your loved ones ...
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad April 3 2018 23: 10
      +3
      In the summer and in the absence of the opponent’s thick clothes, it is better to apply sliding blows to the face, chest, arms, stomach or legs, it is so difficult to kill, and shallow, long wounds quickly calm the attacker ... and the time for them is less. hi
    2. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO April 8 2018 23: 55
      0
      But in fact, hold the knife so that it is not visible ... press the blade to your hand or body and when the distance allows ... hit ........ Oooooooo! It says Man! Plus to you!
  12. andrewkor
    andrewkor April 3 2018 09: 26
    +4
    A few observations from life and books. My son-in-law, the Tyumen Cossack, has a beautiful, but heavy checker from a spring hanging on a wall carpet, there is also a whip that can be killed.
    My acquaintance, a simple worker, going from the night shift, has at hand an ordinary stainless steel fork, just in case.
    I myself, for the same occasion, hold in my fist a bunch of keys, one of which is rack and pinion.
    G. Wells: "... Bilby stood for a minute, not moving, ... rushed to the aforementioned fork. Another moment, and one of the teeth was drunk in Thomas's chin."
    1. Vard
      Vard April 3 2018 09: 32
      +5
      The main decision ... but with what to sip ... it's already secondary ...
      1. your1970
        your1970 April 3 2018 11: 56
        +8
        my father, as a youth, worked in the evening shift at a factory in one "glorious" district. It was thin - military childhood. So he wore scrap, absolutely ordinary scrap (he hid in the bushes near the entrance) ...
        No one has ever been interested in - well, a hard worker in his overalls with a crowbar comes and goes .... Why is this out of the ordinary? A working person ...
        no one has ever molested-Although it was really scary in the area: they robbed and undressed and killed, took off the watch, it was a holy thing
        father for 6 years of work so pumped his fingers with this crowbar - that after 25 years he unscrewed the small Zhiguli nuts - with his fingers
  13. Imobile
    Imobile April 3 2018 09: 39
    +5
    All crime goes with pistols, machine guns and official permissions. Maybe the little bullies haven't gotten permissions. Why do they need knives ???? Yes, and for self-defense against a pistol, a knife is also not good. The only thing is a feeder for licensing / reviewers - and even that is troublesome, it is easier to introduce water licensing. It kills more and is easier to administer (statistics will be more binding, easier to convince people)
  14. shuravi
    shuravi April 3 2018 09: 39
    +5
    As for knives, the issue is debatable. Now with ease in the proposed kitchen utensils, you can pick up and buy a knife quite suitable for criminal acts.
    At the same time, what a real battle ax, designed to destroy steel armor, is suitable for now, except for chopping firewood.
    And such a moment. Give a beginner a saber, and a pro piece of reinforcement, who will win?
    That's just the point, real edged weapons are not in the blade, but in skill.
  15. Strashila
    Strashila April 3 2018 09: 43
    +8
    Let's go back to Dostoevsky ... since then no one has tried to ban the ax in all its manifestations and variations ... human beings commit a crime and if they have sawdust in their heads, then how many laws do not accept ... there will be no improvement .. It is necessary to work with the source of crime.
  16. BAI
    BAI April 3 2018 09: 45
    +8
    In capable hands, any item will become a weapon. The only way out is to allow everything on the contrary. Criminals always had weapons. Law-abiding citizens - no. If everything is allowed, the odds will be equalized. And the definition of self-defense really needs a remake.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 3 2018 10: 14
      +4
      Quote: BAI
      The only way out is to allow everything on the contrary.

      No.
      Quote: BAI
      If everything is allowed, the chances will be equalized

      No. A trained person will always make a "sucker" with a knife. And the number of skirmishes “using” will increase by orders of magnitude.
      No need to object - every day on the train at rush hour twice ... the number of inadequacies just scales yes
      And you offer them to hand out knives, or, worse, a cop. Nafik nafik stop
      Quote: BAI
      self-determination really needs rework

      That’s the truth, that’s the truth.
      1. would
        would April 3 2018 11: 30
        +6
        No. A trained person will always make a "sucker" with a knife. And the number of skirmishes “using” will increase by orders of magnitude.


        That is, now when you can buy anything and no hassle a little. And when they simply change the status of purchase and wear (without any consequences), it will immediately increase by an order of magnitude.

        Incredible "logic."
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 3 2018 13: 12
          +7
          Quote: rait
          Now when you can buy anything you can wear without any problems

          Can. But there is a nuance - is not allowed. Wear.
          Therefore, they wear "far from all." Out of fear, from innate, um, law-abiding - call it what you want.
          Quote: rait
          when they simply change the status of purchase and wear (without any consequences), it will immediately

          Quite possibly. Because the wearing will be allowed.
          Quote: rait
          Incredible "logic"

          And in my opinion, everything is completely transparent request
          1. would
            would April 3 2018 13: 28
            +9
            De jure not permitted. In fact, no one will search you, and the local PPSnik does not even know what a cold weapon is. As a result, in reality you can even carry brass knuckles in your pocket, no one will do anything to you. That is why on the same hansa a lot of topics where you can buy a terrible cold store with home delivery. I know people who generally bought military knives from the United States through customs. Successfully.

            And if the stars converge that you get caught somewhere else, then for the same brass knuckles you will find exclusively administrative responsibility that never scared anyone. Short and simple language: All do not give a damn is prohibited or allowed XO.

            So yes, for me as a knowledgeable person everything is completely transparent. Those who need it already with XO, but these people are very few because XO is expensive and few people understand what it is. For several decades now, Gopota has been in the pocket with ordinary household knives that cost 500 rubles each. And they, being not at all cold, send victims both to the ground and to the hospital for many months.

            But for some reason, after the formal permission of KhO according to your "logic", the gopniks will all at once rearm on expensive "cold" knives and begin to cut more than ever. Before that, in your opinion, they could not, law obedience did not allow, the one that allows you to kill and inflict heavy bodily with ordinary knives, yeah.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack April 3 2018 13: 56
              +4
              Quote: rait
              De jure not permitted. In fact, no one will search you ... for the same brass knuckles you will find exclusively administrative responsibility

              Offer to take your word for it? "It does not hurt, but nice" (c)?
              Quote: rait
              Those who need it already with XO, but these people are very few because XO is expensive and few people understand what it is. Gopota for decades in his pocket with ordinary household knives

              All this is correct. But I'm talking about something else: as long as there is a ban on chemical warfare, a common man in the street, "en masses", he won’t drag him in his pocket. And brass knuckles - will not, and even a butterfly, XO not being - will think about whether to drag.
              With the advent of permission, the amount of “wearable” will inevitably increase. Partly from what was finally allowed, partly from fear of remaining "naked" in front of the "wearers".
              An increase in the number of weapons (and simply dangerous items) on the street will inevitably lead to an increase in the number of cases of its use.
              Everything, as you see, is very simple.
              1. would
                would April 3 2018 14: 04
                +4
                Offer to take your word for it?


                I suggest going out and walking around the city and counting how many times you will be searched. Well, as for responsibility, look at the Criminal Code and the Code of Administrative Offenses, try to find relevant articles there, do not take my word for it.

                as long as there is a ban on chemical weapons, an ordinary layman, "en masses", he will not drag him in his pocket. And brass knuckles - will not, and even a butterfly, XO not being - will think about whether to drag.
                With the advent of permission, the amount of “wearable” will inevitably increase. Partly from what was finally allowed, partly from fear of remaining "naked" in front of the "wearers".


                Why would an ordinary layman need a knife for at least two thousand? This is the minimum price of knives in our market. Why would he not buy a cold knife now and not think about it, get off his feet and run for a dust-box worth several thousand rubles?

                I’m already silent about the fact that even if an ordinary layman indescribably gets XO in his hands, he won’t run to cut anyone, unlike a gopnik who doesn’t just earn money, but often has a lifestyle.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack April 3 2018 14: 20
                  +5
                  If you want to communicate, try at least sometimes to listen to what they say to you. Again:
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  With the advent of permission, the amount of “wearable” will inevitably increase. Partly from what was finally allowed, partly from fear of remaining "naked" in front of the "wearers".
                  An increase in the number of weapons (and simply dangerous items) on the street will inevitably lead to an increase in the number of cases of its use

                  And this will happen purely mechanically, if you exaggerate a little - something like this: everyone wears it - that means I need to.
                  As a result, conflicts (purely domestic-street, which are now ending with a maximum of slap in the face) will be resolved with the help of, um, wearable tools.
                  For some reason it seems to me that way yes
                  And all your "gopniks", "owners of XO" and others have absolutely nothing to do with it.
                  1. would
                    would April 3 2018 14: 27
                    +4
                    Naturally, you could not answer directly asked questions because you have nothing to answer.

                    Now everyone who needs to carry absolutely legal household household knives, among which there is a very real weapon. This is actually a weapon, legally it is a household. And there are many such carriers, I am one of them. But I don’t see any feedback from a disinterested society, no “happens purely mechanically” was found. Nobody runs to the store and begins to buy there "rats" worth 2-2.5 thousand rubles. Just like the sudden insanity of a previously normal person from the fact of carrying a knife, there is no such thing that he picked up a knife and is now ready to "solve conflicts with them."

                    This is the same hoplophobic nonsense as "hand out pistols to everyone and normal people will immediately start shooting at each other."

                    The same thing with XO. All who need it already have it, but the point is that these “all” are either hunters or addicted people who put on their shelf the American bayonet to the M16 and admire it. There were no ordinary people among them and there is not because they do not need this.

                    The way you see it is understandable, but it seems to some that they are going to give everyone a short barrel and after that rivers of blood will certainly flow. But clearly answer the question "Why now with a permitted arsenal do not pour blood rivers?" they can not. Just like now, you can’t answer the question of why ordinary people suddenly rush to the store sweeping knives worth thousands of wheels.
                    1. would
                      would April 3 2018 14: 33
                      +2
                      There were no ordinary people among them and there is not because they do not need this.


                      And ordinary people don’t even know what it is. In their understanding, a knife is a knife, that is, such a thing that lies in the store. Some brands, some have become, some sharpening, the shape of the blade and so on. etc. unknown to them at all. They don’t know what it is. As a result, in the kitchen they don’t understand that it’s never accurate, it is easier to cut with a ruler than with a knife of an ordinary person. And this is not exaggeration.
                    2. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack April 3 2018 15: 21
                      +4
                      Quote: rait
                      Naturally, you could not answer directly asked questions because you have nothing to answer

                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      If you want to communicate, try at least sometimes to listen to what you are told

                      (C).
                      I say goodbye to you, you ... are not interesting to me. As, however, and your questions - I already learned them all by heart. What for it only to me? Here is the question request
          2. Anatoly Anatoly
            Anatoly Anatoly April 3 2018 14: 15
            +1
            "not allowed. Wear."

            Article of the law prohibiting the wearing of knives, do not you bring?
      2. Romulus
        Romulus April 3 2018 13: 43
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        That’s the truth, that’s the truth.

        North animal .. As Jack agrees with you!
        Dolgolobam gave trams - so now they shoot without thinking (all Amer’s movie or NTV series - not yet sober up) and if you give a short-fire gun? Do you want to destroy the Russian population? A novel as a person who, for a quarter of a century under the left (right-handed) armpit, carried first PM then PSM then PMM .. (although I can be confused in order)
        1. Daniel
          Daniel April 4 2018 00: 55
          +2
          Who are the "dolboloby" and why did the Russian population not decrease from the fact that you personally had a short-fire barrel for a quarter century?
      3. BAI
        BAI April 3 2018 17: 24
        +1
        A trained person will always make a "sucker" with a knife.

        Lord God made people different. Samuel Colt made them equal. "
        And the number of skirmishes “using” will increase by orders of magnitude.

        Yes, I also every day in the train. But I read to become about some Latin American country. The author is surprised - the people are hot as fire, but in the event of an accident, everyone disperses peacefully and calmly. There is no comparison with Russia. What's the matter? The answer is that everyone is armed, and nobody wants to get a bullet for a showdown on the road because of iron.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack April 3 2018 17: 48
          +5
          Quote: BAI
          What's the matter? Answer...

          ... this is the result of some process that was once there. As a result of which society was, um, filtered. A sort of natural-artificial selection.

          I personally would not want to fall into a transition period when inadequate people would brandish weapons (and they would be soaked for it).
          Moreover, I would not want people close to me to participate in this.
          Quote: BAI
          I, too, every day in the train

          So what? There is a desire for the distribution to fall inadvertently? There, after all, there is no way to even evade the natural GPU (the hexagonal most dense, in the sense).
        2. stroybat ZABVO
          stroybat ZABVO April 9 2018 00: 04
          0
          . But I read to become about some Latin American country. The author is surprised - the people are hot as fire, but in the event of an accident, everyone disperses peacefully and calmly. There is no comparison with Russia. What's the matter? The answer is that everyone is armed, and nobody wants to get a bullet for a showdown on the road because of iron.
          So yes, but what? But, only, in the case of Argentina, not "everyone" is armed, but they disperse peacefully.
          But anyway!
  17. would
    would April 3 2018 09: 55
    +11
    Well, in general, Staver, as always, wrote another nonsense.

    So, the new standards actually legalized edged weapons. Hunting, historical, culturally valuable edged weapons no longer need to be licensed.


    Well, let's say you licensed a certain HOCH dagger, entered the number of the dagger in the corresponding document. And after it was used ... and? Perhaps he will leave some unique traces to calculate the specific dagger and its owner? No. From the point of view of forensics, this will be, at best, a stab wound with some unique features that will approximately establish the incredibly rare geometry of the blade. Best case scenario. As a rule, no distinctive marks will remain. And that’s it, that’s all the licensing ended there.

    So all this licensing of cold steel is nothing more than another bureaucratic zilch in no way affecting the real criminal situation. It’s impossible to track a cold knife like don’t try. This is bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy.

    At the same time, XO does not appear in killings and fights. Because the very concept of knives is incredibly outdated, and if the knife is XO, this does not mean that it was developed to kill a person, the opposite is also true. I know knives that were originally designed as edged weapons and are positioned as such, but are not legally such. At the same time, ordinary household knives are perfect for killing, some are better than Hoshny.

    As for the bandits, why would they buy a good cold knife worth at least several thousand rubles if the same thing can be done with a knife worth up to a thousand? Or even free and much more effective rod reinforcement?

    Personally, I think that our legislation on chemical weapons is anachronistic on the one hand and bureaucratically prohibitive on the other. Those who really need it will get it without any problems (without any problems at all) and they will do it for a lot of money not at all in order to kill someone, the wrong standard of living and the wrong weapon efficiency. And in which case the responsibility is exclusively administrative. And they will be stored without any problems, searches to put it mildly, not everyone happens. All the gopniks will continue to walk with the usual Chinese freaks and butterflies for 300 rubles each, which is more than enough to frighten the victim. And the drunks will continue to slaughter each other with terrible and terribly dumb kitchen men.

    Therefore, what Staver writes here

    Today, the “boys” will be completely legally wearing “feathers” and will be law-abiding citizens. In this case, even a poorly prepared "bull" with a knife "paint" the unprepared man in the street in minutes. And the school of "boys" with knives will quite cope with a trained person.


    Rave. The pure delirium of the theorist. “Boys” have been walking with absolutely legal feathers for more than a dozen years, and they “paint” and kill them perfectly.

    I specifically looked at statistics and expert opinions on this issue. Incredibly, the mortality rate when using combat or hunting knives is 8 times higher compared to household knives!


    Naturally, Staver will not show us these statistics. The link is not particularly interesting for some statistics in the context of the traditional absence of at least some sort of detailed statistics from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. They don’t even have statistics on how many crimes were committed simply with a knife, and Staver allegedly somewhere found even more detailed statistics separating HOsh knives and household ones.
    1. Romulus
      Romulus April 3 2018 14: 02
      +1
      Quote: rait
      in general, Staver, as always, wrote another nonsense.

      OH you B..lin And it seemed to me - a man wrote who knows how to jerk the shutter - not sitting on the couch ..
      If I read in his articles, "changed horn"maybe I would not respect him lol
      Sasha! drinks soldier
      PS I remember how we were converted to PMM in 2002 (then Chechnya)
      1. would
        would April 3 2018 14: 05
        +1
        Argued, you will not say anything lol
        1. Romulus
          Romulus April 3 2018 14: 32
          0
          Quote: rait
          Argued, you will not say anything

          Well, kaneshno - You are special .. - the rest are suckers, how about sakonba?
          gopnik with knives - what to do? (although this is not about them)
          1. would
            would April 3 2018 14: 34
            +3
            gopnik with knives - what to do?


            To run. I’m telling you how special lol
            1. Romulus
              Romulus April 3 2018 14: 53
              0
              I agree with you hi - the main thing .. to catch time)
              Not special - I went from the street)
              Py Sy, about PMM I still answered Jack .. it happened. And if special. want to talk - you ask, I will answer.
              1. Romulus
                Romulus April 3 2018 17: 47
                0
                Quote: Romulus
                I will answer .

                Special Troll ..
            2. stroybat ZABVO
              stroybat ZABVO April 9 2018 03: 09
              +1
              Wright: "run away. I’m telling you like a specialist"


              As a runner, what? But I’m lame. Che advise, well, as a run specialist? Huh? And I tell you, well, as a "special" with a gun, a real gun, understandable, right? I will not advise you to get "a big and thick gun" from your pocket, well, a real one, of course a gun.
    2. old reindeer herder
      old reindeer herder April 4 2018 10: 05
      +2
      So it’s true that as I studied the official established statistical reporting of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (during the service), I can confirm that such statistics were never kept either at the local level or in the Ministry of Internal Affairs
  18. Old26
    Old26 April 3 2018 10: 12
    +2
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    "bend" the metal. the door, I will not assure you ..., but they can completely kill a person.

    At one time, a friend gave me a Chinese. In relation to their knives, until that time I had a very peculiar opinion, which could be expressed in one word - crap. But now he was in a situation where the same comrade needed to help with something around the house, and in particular, put in a new castle. Used this knife as a chisel. And at least there was a notch. A person, as you wrote correctly .... There would be a desire ...
    1. Vard
      Vard April 3 2018 13: 03
      0
      Daughter-in-law ... about fifteen years ago ... gave me a Chinese multilock ... I drive in a car ... what I didn’t do ... a single scratch ... I bought a soling ... a penknife ... So a Chinese man scratched a German!
  19. groks
    groks April 3 2018 10: 19
    +4
    A completely empty article. Of course, the State Duma never passes laws that would be useful to a simple person. But in this case, what bothered the author so much? Just the bandits / businessmen of the lower level brought the deputies, so as not to fuss with permissions for all kinds of knives.
  20. vnord
    vnord April 3 2018 10: 52
    +2
    The most dangerous weapon in my opinion, which is in almost every apartment, WAS. When wounds are applied, internal bleeding occurs.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad April 3 2018 23: 31
      +2
      The most dangerous weapon that is found in almost every apartment and in every garage is a flat, rusty screwdriver, which you just did not pick around. smile
  21. bardadym
    bardadym April 3 2018 11: 08
    +10
    What nonsense, God forgive me ...

    "... the mortality rate when using combat or hunting knives is 8 times higher compared to household knives ... criteria must be urgently returned ..."
    99% of deceased people consumed cucumbers during their lives, it is urgent to ban cucumbers !!! 11111.

    And for distortions of the form "a grandmother with a FEAR cleaver cuts sausage, so hunting knives must be prohibited" the author asks for a beating with nesting dolls stuffed with poisoned buckwheat.
  22. Evgenii Xolod
    Evgenii Xolod April 3 2018 11: 33
    +5
    You can kill with a simple pencil, or a pen, if you can. . A knife for 120-300 r from the stall does not cease to be a cold weapon sharp and with good stabbing. By properties. And considering the cheap they are also convenient. (Throw not sorry). and to take a knife for a crime for a couple of thousand or a Cossack saber in general savagery.
    1. Anatoly Anatoly
      Anatoly Anatoly April 3 2018 14: 18
      +1
      "A knife for 120-300 r from the stall does not cease to be a cold weapon"

      Brad.
      1. Conserp
        Conserp April 4 2018 00: 05
        +2
        Indeed, delirium - a slaughter knife can be bought for only 50 rubles.
        1. Anatoly Anatoly
          Anatoly Anatoly April 5 2018 10: 48
          +1
          From this, he will not become a cold weapon.
          1. Conserp
            Conserp April 5 2018 10: 51
            +1
            AND? Does it change anything?
            T.N. “cold steel” is a fiction completely devoid of real semantic content.
  23. Alex380
    Alex380 April 3 2018 11: 48
    +8
    Article bullshit. To prevent abuse by law enforcement authorities, it is necessary to remove the prohibitions and registration for any cold steel. A ban may only apply to wearing it in certain places.
    Statistics generally from the crafty, sheer distortion. Most killings occur when using completely harmless kitchen knives, a ban on which will be insanity.
    We die in an accident under thirty thousand a year, then let's ban vehicles!
  24. Locksmith
    Locksmith April 3 2018 12: 09
    +6
    Well, I did not expect to see such an x ​​......... at Staver.
    Of course, it’s difficult to imagine a modern “brotherhood” with swords, sabers and axes. And a horse with a kama? Or an Uzbek with a beak? Yakut with hotochon?

    Bullshit, I can’t imagine the author with a hotochon ... or with a pech, in short it’s funny and uncomfortable, the Uzbeks live in Russia, have kitchen knives from Kanetsugi, and they don’t hover their brains, pech, only if there’s nothing to pick up like a fighting a knife - absolute zero, like a kitchen one - is more convenient, khans in those centuries already UNDERSTAND what can be given to their farmers from weapons wink .
  25. av58
    av58 April 3 2018 12: 21
    +3
    No one has canceled the responsibility for using the item as a weapon. It is not easier for the victim from this, but didn’t the crime carry knives before the law was amended? Carry at least a machete, at least a two-handed sword, just try to explain to the police patrol for what purpose. Therefore, the actual legalization of edged weapons can only be welcomed, since it only approximates the legalization of a rifled short-barrel.
  26. Alex66
    Alex66 April 3 2018 12: 21
    +4
    Himself has repeatedly witnessed a completely disregard for a fallen man, even before his eyes. There are fewer and fewer people in the normal, spiritual sense of this term. My hut from the edge ...
    What to do, it is necessary to educate differently, a person should not be afraid to help or protect another person who is in trouble, otherwise you will be attracted, after help or blamed. Change the law of self-defense.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad April 3 2018 23: 49
      +2
      You don’t need any self-defense, just try to help a person who became ill and fell. And right away there are articles for the improper provision of medical and sanitary care, recalls warnings about methods of acquiring HIV, hepatitis and other troubles .... All that remains is to call trained and equipped people and hope that they can arrive on time.
  27. Sedoy
    Sedoy April 3 2018 13: 34
    +6
    * Arsenal of serious weapons is now in the hands of ... crime
    -----------------
    crap ...
    you might think crime, once looked at prohibitions ...
    whoever “worked” with a knife, so “works” with him - put him on the laws ...
    if the law allows a simple citizen to have arms, that’s good
    because firstly:



    and secondly, limiting the rights of law-abiding citizens:

  28. seos
    seos April 3 2018 13: 55
    0
    As the Duma "Griffin Pig Knuckle" said the average deputy is 2 times smarter than an ordinary person ...
  29. Anatoly Anatoly
    Anatoly Anatoly April 3 2018 14: 01
    +5
    What kind of nonsense? Cold steel storage is not prohibited. Responsibility is for violation of the rules of wearing one.
    Let's call axes, scythes, hammers, an awl with cold steel (by the way, an awl strike causes internal bleeding, if you did not know), a screwdriver ... There, the turn will reach the bricks and cobbles. And what? Impact-breaking, right?
  30. Freeman
    Freeman April 3 2018 14: 04
    +4
    Quote: Evgenii Xolod
    You can kill with a simple pencil, or a pen, if you can ...

    what Well, how can I not remember ...
  31. Murderer
    Murderer April 3 2018 15: 02
    +2
    It is necessary to abolish the concept of "cold steel" in general. Let everything be allowed.
  32. Romulus
    Romulus April 3 2018 15: 16
    0
    Alexander hi set you +100500
    One wish to the commentators - be happy - but as they say - this cup will pass you .. (whoever passed through the blood will understand) hi
  33. AleBors
    AleBors April 3 2018 15: 16
    +4
    With all due respect to the author, I absolutely disagree with him. I am convinced that any item becomes a weapon only at the request of the person who applied it. The rest is all legal casuistry. One thing I can say, the people have too little weapon handling culture. With anyone. And its presence somehow adds to people's self-esteem.
  34. Fedor egoist
    Fedor egoist April 3 2018 15: 57
    +4
    I read the article, read the comments.
    According to the article, the author writes that, in particular, he has a collection of hunting knives with all the documents. And then the law changes, amendments are introduced that historical and hunting piercing-cutting objects are not CW. And then I had a clear feeling that the author was simply put on an equal footing with the rest of the citizens who own hunting knives without any license certificates. And the pile of papers that he carries with him, in fact, became useless. The rest of the moaning is already a consequence. Maybe I'm wrong. But there is a feeling.
    Regarding the wearing of piercing, cutting, and crushing objects, it is precisely as a potential CW. Here, nothing has changed, and could not change. Those who had a desire to wear such items are worn, those who did not have it - do not. And those changes in the law that have occurred cannot affect this.
    The reality is that those items that are used as chemical agents are most often used unintentionally. Simply put, like a spontaneous ultima ratio in household quarrels. In such cases, no law is able to regulate the availability of such items at hand. Crime, more precisely, its street component, pricking and cutting objects in the vast majority of cases are used only as a weapon of threat and the argument for serious intentions. Nowadays, people are not killed on the streets for a used iPhone or several thousand rubles in pocket cash. At least in my city. I have no doubt that the situation is the same in other Russian cities.
    But the movements of legislative thought in relation to the civilian circulation of firearms do not like me at all. But that's another topic.
  35. ver_
    ver_ April 3 2018 17: 14
    +4
    Quote: domokl
    Kostya, do you carry a knife in your pocket? For your own safety?
    Quote: K.A.S.
    but a law-abiding person disarms this law!

    The presence of a weapon in a pocket without good skills for its use is a negative rather than a positive factor. They will also take you away with your knife ... Alas, this is the prose of life ...

    ..lifting a knife with me .., but not for * shredding * people .., a meeting with a dog’s wedding may end badly .. I’m not afraid of dogs, but without * stray * in my pocket it will be difficult to deal with them ..
  36. Sobol
    Sobol April 3 2018 17: 23
    +1
    Is it XO now or not?

    baton esp
    1. Varyag77
      Varyag77 April 3 2018 19: 15
      +5
      This is not XO, it is a weapon of shock-crushing action. Apply-sit down. No options.
      As for the topic, it's ridiculously simple. 1 layman wrote and a bunch of the same unsubscribed. If anyone is interested, then go to the profile resource and read. And then I, as a lover of knives with 20 years of experience from your comments, colleagues turned gray hair. In all places.
      1. SLAVA
        SLAVA April 5 2018 17: 36
        0
        Naturally!) Specially made special equipment!)))
  37. Brigadier
    Brigadier April 3 2018 17: 35
    +4
    Correctly the author wrote.
    Let's take away the knives from the population, their last hope in the battle with an armed bandit who has a knife by definition IS ALWAYS, regardless of what is written there in the Law "On Weapons" and in this way we take away the last hope of the population at least to somehow protect themselves and their loved ones ...
    Author! Run to the nuthouse. Check on every fireman, and then you never know ... They say that the initial stages of almost all diseases seem to be curable ... fool
  38. erased
    erased April 3 2018 18: 23
    +7
    The delusions and fears of the author. But I would laugh, watching how they pass a law banning the free sale of kitchen and household knives, files (cool knives and sharpeners come out of them), sewing and screwdrivers (they also go with a bang), nails longer than 8 cm, axes, manicure and tailoring scissors, hammers, all kinds of glass (cutting edges are good), medical cutting tools (terrible weight in the hands of professional cutters), pens and pencils, as well as felt-tip pens (and if in the eye ??), fittings.
    Still - a brick, a stone (the size is more than 5 cm in diameter), a tile, after all, if desired, it also forms a cutting edge, knives for cutting paper.
    Few? Well then continue yourself.
    The author sweetly and directly forgets the old truth - it’s not the ax who is to blame, but the one who, instead of chopping wood, hits them on the head.
    If a person has criminal intentions, an icicle is also suitable for him - he will go into the eye socket perfectly, and it may pop into the throat. Yes, and a stick is suitable and a folded newspaper or magazine. Rag, lace. All this can be killed as quickly as a knife. It is generally necessary to ban everything and cut off a person’s arms and legs. And then there’s how they knock on the head, sometimes they kill.
    In a word, let the legislators pass such a decree. Insanity must be brought to its climax, only then it will be visible to everyone.
    And it’s time for the author to get rid of all types of knives and what is given above. The disarmament of the people should begin with oneself. Is not it?
  39. Oslyabya
    Oslyabya April 3 2018 19: 13
    +6
    Quote: Greg Miller
    As for the protection against crime, the weapon here is unlikely to protect anyone; when using a weapon, the main thing is the INITIATIVE for its use. Those. if I have a knife and a decision to attack you, then the presence of a gun in your cabaret or a gun at home will not protect you from me, you simply will not have time to use it. GRURITY and, most importantly, inevitability of punishment for crimes committed are much better protected from crime.


    Kills a MAN, not a WEAPON. All these collisions are much easier to resolve by changing the current version of Article 37 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation “Necessary defense”: remove the concept of “exceeding the limits of necessary defense ...”, other verbal balancing act and simply write “The defender has the right to apply any measures to stop the attack against him and shall not be liable for consequences for the attacking side. "
    Then, for the attacker, the situation changes very much, and for the court, the situation with the HIGHLY probable criminal prosecution of a successful defender becomes unlikely ...
  40. Whowhy
    Whowhy April 3 2018 19: 14
    +2
    At the beginning of the article, I already wrote about the chef’s knife. In our kitchens, there is certainly something similar. However, any specialist who is engaged in knives, with confidence will tell you that with a combat or hunting knife, the effectiveness of defeat is once higher than that of kitchen counterparts.

    What kind of delirium? This "specialist" even confused the blade with the blade. Yes, all the "right guys" with screwdrivers go - they say, bought, carry home.
  41. acetophenon
    acetophenon April 3 2018 20: 15
    +5
    When I was still young - it was the late USSR - I often went on camping trips. And they tried to rob my friend, who was walking with a backpack from the station. Waving a knife. The result - of the three attackers in 5 seconds, 2 corpses and one disabled person. Comrade went to jail. Because one of the deceased received a hatchet in the back. A simple tourist hatchet. Which was bought in sporting goods for 5 rubles.
  42. Technician72
    Technician72 April 3 2018 20: 27
    +8
    Quote: Greg Miller
    Under Soviet rule, arms trafficking was under tight control and everything was fine and calm. I personally would really hate for my children to go out to the streets, where every passerby has a weapon in his pocket or belt ... It is necessary to increase the sentence for using weapons ...

    Oh oh Until 1975, in any general store smooth-bore sold and?
  43. 67STRELOK
    67STRELOK April 3 2018 20: 34
    +2
    A scream from a frightened man in the street is heard! Although this is not to be scared! It is necessary to be afraid of a “man with a gun” and in uniform! And also a motorist, etc.! )))
  44. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 3 2018 20: 37
    +9
    That's it ... Urgently ban knives! Everything! To everyone! Knives kill !!! And forbid scissors! And knitting needles, and screwdrivers, and sewed! All nah !!!!
    To the author’s attention, everyday life - it’s not always a cold weapon. And by the way, any forensic scientist and pathologist will confirm that the wound inflicted by "edged weapons" is no different from the wound inflicted by the "utility knife"
  45. Dmitry Aleksandrovich
    Dmitry Aleksandrovich April 3 2018 20: 43
    +4
    The article is about nothing, and the discussion too. Criminal liability for carrying cold steel was abolished back in 2003. Only administrative (fine). Criminal liability for the manufacture and marketing, and this is what the amendments to the law govern. So all the pathos about the wolf cubs with knives was late for 15 years.
  46. Shelest2000
    Shelest2000 April 3 2018 20: 54
    +9
    Lord, what nonsense ... sad Just a mile away you can smell the blue uniform.
    It is urgent to return the criteria for determining cold steel weapons, licensing collections and criteria for manufacturers of replicas of cold steel ..... And you need to start at least with the length of the blade.

    And also enter the sections:
    - Kitchen cold / crushing weapons with inclusion in it, in addition to knives, also pans with meat grinders;
    - Working cold / crushing weapons with shoemaker knives similar to them, as well as wrenches, chains, jacks, etc., available at workplaces.
    - Agricultural implements / crushing weapons, including scythes, species, rakes, shafts, etc ...
    - .........
    With compulsory licensing in LRO, training for using money for small money in favor of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and an obligatory annual certificate from doctors. Also, for the money ...
    See the author, how many ideas and unfulfilled dreams I have (crossed out), dreams (crossed out), in short, dreams
    The man of our native Ministry of Internal Affairs threw it! There is something to work on. (Little face).
    PS. And if by reason (but not in our state), then what is the meaning of these 13 or 15 points of definition of XO? From the point of view of logic - it does not exist, this meaning. Because a knife with a blade of 9-12-17 cm kills equally for any thickness of the blade / tilt of the handle / shape of the blade, etc. IMHO, this is a relic of the USSR when they "blew into the water", and in the current realities it is needed only so that a Haspadin policeman could "cut down a stick" by holding up an "arms baron" who sells a knife.
    With smart leadership, they would have made it simpler - the XO is a bayonet-knife that has a blade length, for example, more than 20cm or is in service with the army. All checkers, sabers, swords - only if the blade is sharpened .. That's it.
    But we live in Russia. They don’t like easy and simple solutions and paths. Alas...
  47. ELEZKIY
    ELEZKIY April 3 2018 21: 01
    +3
    in the 90s, on our collective farm, we were forced to grind beets into the obligatory zone. So I chopped a knife out of the ground. Someone once cleaned beets from tops. blade under 40 centimeters. looks like a knife of a worker in a Soviet meat factory. and lay decently in the ground. I pricked them pigs. killer thing. about the size of a gladius. the problem, I think, is not in the laws, but in the heads. and what about edged weapons, I liked the usual bayonet shovel from childhood ...
  48. Vladimir Moroz
    Vladimir Moroz April 3 2018 21: 07
    +7
    Recognizing knives (any) as weapons and imposing restrictions is a very stupid thing. And unfair. Stupid, frankly. Sharpened screwdriver, awl, chisel, ax, etc. you kill a person no less efficiently. I speak as a connoisseur of weapons and forensic science.
    1. Vladimir Moroz
      Vladimir Moroz April 3 2018 21: 10
      +5
      And yet - statistics on the number of crimes committed precisely by what is recognized as knives, in the studio please. Together with statistics of similar crimes with the fact that weapons are not recognized. How many murders are committed by a saber, a saber, a sword or a sword? He laughed.
  49. va3610
    va3610 April 3 2018 21: 26
    +10
    The article is clearly custom-made, how many sticks will not be cut down "lightly". I’m somehow in my 28 years of service in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and like many I started, in the teaching staff, I never got a “mokruha” using “knives”, but “my mother’s not chopped and chopped with kitchen knives and kitchen axes” Cry. " And the numbers on the percentage: ... "Meanwhile, it is edged weapons, including" toys ", that cause 38,3% of serious bodily harm, 27,6% of unintentional killings, 22,4% of the total number of killings! "... it would be desirable to know where they came from, so to speak, we need proofs! Particularly touching ... "27,6% of unintentional killings" ... how is it? Not intentional killing with a knife? He ran into a knife? These are already lawyer stories.
  50. Andrey Alexandrovich
    Andrey Alexandrovich April 3 2018 22: 14
    +9
    The article is complete insanity. Let's ban all kitchen knives and pans, almost the entire tool, especially screwdrivers, hammers and saws, etc. We will imprison everyone who has huge, heavy fists and, worse, who know how to use these fists and much, much more. After all, all of this can, if you want, kill anyone. And yet, the assertion that with professional cold steel more crimes are committed than with household items is a complete lie. By the nature of my work, I am aware of such statistics.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp April 3 2018 23: 57
      +7
      All who have a member, put as potential rapists.
      Everyone who has a vagina should be jailed as potential prostitutes.
      And there will come universal happiness and well-being of the air!