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Vietnamese portal recalled the disgrace of the US armed forces

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Vietnamese portal soha.vn posted photos of the defeat of the US and the troops and their South Vietnamese allies in the war ending in 1975. He writes about it Messenger of Mordovia.


Vietnamese portal recalled the disgrace of the US armed forces


A huge dump of destroyed American military equipment, among which you can see the M113 armored personnel carriers, Tanks M48, self-propelled guns, all kinds of trucks.



“In the spring of 1975, a small country in Southeast Asia was able to defeat the most powerful imperialist power, the United States. Of course, a significant role in this success was played by the military assistance of the USSR, other countries of the then Warsaw Pact, China, ”the material says.



The author recalls that Vietnam did not receive the latest models of Soviet weapons. In the battles mainly used technique of the forties and fifties. The Vietnamese went to victory through a series of failures and defeats.



“But every time, bearing losses many times greater than American ones," people in black pajamas "were ready to start all over again. Perhaps that is why the Vietnamese experience is so carefully studied by the military of the whole world, ”the author notes.

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    1. Russia
      Russia April 2 2018 14: 32
      +32
      Quote: Kolovrat
      Americans can also remind Vietnamese of something: Agent Orange.

      Change the fascist picture. am
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 2 2018 14: 34
        +4
        You should regularly poke a crying cat into your own pile. He doesn’t understand this, but he continues to lick appetizing guano from his face ..
        1. Scoun
          Scoun April 2 2018 14: 55
          +4
          Quote: 210ox
          You should regularly poke a crying cat into your own pile. He doesn’t understand this, but he continues to lick appetizing guano from his face ..

          The time has come and some countries cast their voices, they see how the Anglo-Saxons are trying to blow up the world again and crap in the direction of the Russian Federation.
        2. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 April 2 2018 18: 14
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          You should regularly poke a crying cat into your own pile. He doesn’t understand this, but he continues to lick appetizing guano from his face ..

          You can still recall the slightly earlier episodes of the exceptional American army.
      2. Simargll
        Simargll April 2 2018 14: 39
        +22
        This is a Kolovrat, not the Nazis.
        And if the Taliban use a sickle and a hammer, you also demand to ban it?
        Why do you use the nickname "Rusland", but don’t know or don’t want to know what signs and symbols the Russes and Slavs used?
        Ahhh, got it!
        The Slavs went into battle with a portrait of Marx, Engels ......
        And the Kolovrat is from the Teutons!
        I'm right? hi
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          2. Simargll
            Simargll April 2 2018 14: 59
            +17
            Question kulebyaka after.
            Everyone who believes that the history of Russia began before Prince Vladimir and did not hate the Slavic symbolism before Christianization (and after the Christianization of the Kolovrats there were dofigischi) are they all in the ukrovermaht?
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K April 2 2018 15: 08
              +18
              Quote: Simargll
              ... Question kulebyaka after.
              Everyone who believes that the history of Russia began before Prince Vladimir and did not hate the Slavic symbolism before Christianization (and after the Christianization of the Kolovrats there were dofigischi) are they all in the ukrovermaht? ...

              My friend - everyone here has their own opinion on the Kolovrat, the direction of its rays, and the Rodnovers.
              There is only one question - what does your verbiage have to do with the topic of the article?
              Stop clowning - it’s not an hour, you won’t last long with your floodistics on the site.
              1. Simargll
                Simargll April 2 2018 15: 11
                +8
                "Stop clowning - it’s not an hour, you won’t last long with your floodistics on the site."
                It is possible (not even the third time laughing ).

                "One question - what does your verbiage have to do with the topic of the article?"
                So I answered not to the article, but to the fact that one of the commentators was attached to the avatar of another commentator (he did not like him).
                Maybe I should start discussing not articles but avatars of commentators? hi
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K April 2 2018 15: 17
                  +12
                  Quote: Simargll
                  ... So I did not answer to the article, but to the fact that one of the commentators was attached to the avatar of another commentator (he did not like him).
                  Maybe I should start discussing not articles but avatars of commentators? hi...

                  Read the VO rules and you will succeed.
                  1. Simargll
                    Simargll April 2 2018 15: 20
                    +5
                    I read it.
                    I did not find that someone privileged can write what he wants to others, but you can’t answer him.
                    Or are you talking about moderators?
                    Then I humbly shut up. hi

                    ps "and you will succeed." I already heard from you (though under a different nickname) it did not work. wink
            2. Orionvit
              Orionvit April 2 2018 15: 48
              +6
              Quote: Simargll
              hate the symbolism of the Slavs before Christianization

              Do not pay much attention, here half thinks that before Christianity there was nothing at all, especially in Russia. Christianity and the Jewish tribal god, this is our everything. laughing
        2. 210ox
          210ox April 2 2018 14: 42
          +5
          By the way, the hammer and sickle are present on the coat of arms of Austria.
          1. Sergey-8848
            Sergey-8848 April 2 2018 17: 17
            0
            Sickle - the peasantry. The hammer is the working class. Austria is a country whose wealth took place only thanks to the work of villagers and workers. In this regard, your interjection "by the way" - what is it and to whom it is addressed? Why, by the way?
            1. 210ox
              210ox April 2 2018 21: 34
              +1
              To the previous comment. What if the Taliban use a sickle and a hammer ...
              Quote: Sergey-8848
              Sickle - the peasantry. The hammer is the working class. Austria is a country whose wealth took place only thanks to the work of villagers and workers. In this regard, your interjection "by the way" - what is it and to whom it is addressed? Why, by the way?
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 2 2018 15: 41
        +7
        Quote: Rusland
        Change the fascist picture.

        Why Rusland, and not Vaterland, for example? Nick in Russian write for a start, a patriot was found.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 2 2018 16: 09
          +7
          Quote: Orionvit

          Why Rusland ...

          Really, why? Deutsche so called Heavi. It was a military formation operating within the Wehrmacht. The commander of Russland, the traitor, Boris Smyslovsky.
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      6. Angestyr
        Angestyr April 2 2018 18: 52
        +3
        Quote: Rusland
        Quote: Kolovrat
        Americans can also remind Vietnamese of something: Agent Orange.

        Change the fascist picture. am


        Learn the symbolism !!! smart ass!!
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic April 2 2018 14: 37
      +11
      Kolovorot fool It is a pity that there are no minuses, otherwise we would have long ago been driven into the skull with pleasure for such a scribble fool !!!!
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        1. aleks_29296
          aleks_29296 April 2 2018 20: 10
          0
          Quote: Kolovrat
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Kolovorot fool It is a pity that there are no minuses, otherwise we would have long ago been driven into the skull with pleasure for such a scribble fool !!!!

          Ahah)) that's all you can do, poke on the internet)

          Aren't you doing this? Yes, so borzoi. Weren't you banged yesterday for comments about the LPR?
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      2. Korax71
        Korax71 April 2 2018 17: 07
        -1
        And do not be afraid that with the downsides, the bulk of those who do not have so many rides on uniform will unite and take turns old-timer in the same skulls and drive recourse yet it is a double-edged sword.
        1. Mic1969
          Mic1969 April 3 2018 10: 53
          +1
          Are you here for the stars?
    3. Proxima
      Proxima April 2 2018 14: 41
      +6
      Quote: Kolovrat
      Americans can also remind Vietnamese of something: Agent Orange.

      Maybe this will remind you?
      1. Proxima
        Proxima April 2 2018 14: 43
        +11
        ... or is this? On March 16, 1968, at least 502 civilians - 173 children, 183 women (17 pregnant women), 149 men (mostly old people) were killed by American soldiers in Songmi and in nearby villages. Some of the young women were repeatedly raped before dying. Moreover, the fact of the massacre of children, women, the elderly, as well as rape were officially recognized by the American side.
        Songmi massacre is a war crime committed by American "soldiers" in the village of Milai (Vietnamese. Mỹ Lai) in the Sontin County of Quang Ngai Province in South Vietnam, which gained world fame in 1969 during the Vietnam War. As it became known, a year earlier, US Army personnel massacred the civilian population of several villages that were part of the Milai and Mikhe (Mikhe) communities, destroying, according to various estimates, from 347 to 504 civilians. Many victims were tortured by American soldiers before the killing, and women were gang-raped. The crime provoked the indignation of the world community and became one of the most famous and symbolic events of the Vietnam War. Only one soldier was found guilty by an American court, but was released after 3,5 years.
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          1. Mic1969
            Mic1969 April 2 2018 17: 22
            +6
            Quote: Kolovrat
            if you think that I feel sorry for the Vietnamese - you are deeply mistaken)

            Do not say a fascist ... Slavic symbol ... Well, well ...
            1. Kolovrat
              Kolovrat April 2 2018 20: 06
              +1
              Quote: Mic1969
              Quote: Kolovrat
              if you think that I feel sorry for the Vietnamese - you are deeply mistaken)

              Do not say a fascist ... Slavic symbol ... Well, well ...

              what well I rested in Vietnam, I didn’t like it, I don’t like Vietnamese)
              1. Mic1969
                Mic1969 April 3 2018 10: 55
                +3
                You would go, fascist, for good. Cron dig.
          2. XXXIII
            XXXIII April 2 2018 18: 12
            +5
            Quote: Kolovrat
            So what? well, let them remind you) if you think that I feel sorry for the Vietnamese - you are deeply mistaken)

            dog..... laughing
          3. Proxima
            Proxima April 2 2018 20: 22
            +3
            Quote: Kolovrat
            So what? well, let them remind you) if you think that I feel sorry for the Vietnamese - you are deeply mistaken)

            You should not feel sorry for the Vietnamese, the Pygmies and or any Zimbabweans, but just people (women, children, old people ..). It is useless to discuss with you. With almost 100% probability, I’ll assume that you have already appeared at the VO forum (the style is simply “one-on-one”), you were quickly banned there, get ready, after a maximum of XNUMX hours, you will be kicked out of this platform as well.
  2. Simargll
    Simargll April 2 2018 14: 25
    +2
    "But every time, with losses many times greater than the American, the" people in black pajamas "were ready to start all over again."
    And what, only the Viet Cong fought, and the North Vietnamese units did not participate?
    This is about people in black pajamas. what
    Since 72, North Americans participated only in aviation, so pictures of broken equipment at 75 are for South Vietnamese.
    Well, if objectively, and not harboring, we all lifted up! hi
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 April 2 2018 17: 11
      -1
      Most likely this is a decommissioned technique. Often, mattresses practice the technique that has exhausted its resource either left or destroyed on the spot without bothering with transportation.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 2 2018 14: 25
    +5
    The Vietnamese portal soha.vn posted photographs of the defeat of the Americans and troops and their South Vietnamese allies in the war ended in 1975.

    But now the Vietnamese do not disdain to receive weapons from the mericatos request
    1. Mic1969
      Mic1969 April 3 2018 10: 49
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      But now the Vietnamese do not disdain to receive weapons from the mericatos

      Here are the bastards. But Russia and Germany still do not trade.
  4. hohol95
    hohol95 April 2 2018 14: 28
    +7
    The author recalls that Vietnam did not receive the latest models of Soviet weapons. In the battles mainly used technique of the forties and fifties. The Vietnamese went to victory through a series of failures and defeats.

    Would they like to drown the T-10 tanks in their swamps?
    It was better to plan and the troops to learn, teach and teach ...
    Aircraft and air defense systems were also forties?
    And, wherever they were without that technique of the forties, fifties ....
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 2 2018 14: 54
      +4
      Quote: hohol95
      Would they like to drown the T-10 tanks in their swamps?
      It was better to plan and the troops to learn, teach and teach ...
      Aircraft and air defense systems were also forties?
      And, wherever they were without that technique of the forties, fifties ....

      Everything is well and correctly written.
      If not for one “but”: exactly at the same time, the USSR supplied newer equipment to Syria and Egypt. Which pro ... loved her an order of magnitude faster than the Vietnamese, inflicting much smaller losses on the enemy.
      Egypt received the S-125 in 1970. And Vietnam was only at the end of the war, so they did not manage to take part in the hostilities. Moreover, the Vietnamese, when they asked for S-125, they cited Egypt as an example - why did they receive, but we do not?
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 April 2 2018 15: 32
        +1
        About the C-125.
        Tensions with the PRC could affect the supply of this SAM. One of the documentaries indicated that trains with equipment for the DRV stopped in the PRC, were examined with partiality, and then the equipment that arrived in the DRV turned out to be incomplete - some details were removed ...
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit April 2 2018 15: 55
          0
          I don’t know what trains went there, because of strained relations, there was only one Beijing-Moscow Chinese train. All equipment was transported to Vietnam by sea to Haiphong. Moreover, the Americans knew all this very well, and when the port in Haiphong was bombed, our ships that were under unloading literally “twenty meters” did not touch
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 April 2 2018 16: 12
            +1
            Nikolay Kovalev:
            - The attitude of the Vietnamese towards our help and the sailors was very consumer. With the increase in American raids, the rate of unloading of ships dropped sharply. First of all, the Vietnamese unloaded flour, oil products, weapons. And ships with machine tools stood idle in the roads for many days. And at the same time, the Vietnamese comrades endlessly demanded to increase the number of ships bringing cargo. In 1968, for example, they asked Kosygin to deliver all the goods planned for the year for six months.
            We helped them as best we could. When the power plants that fed the coal mines near the port of Kampa were bombed, I ordered the captains to supply energy from ship generators there. And our Vietnamese comrades, knowing that the Americans did not bomb Soviet ships, put barges with anti-aircraft machine guns under their side. And after the Americans bombed the oil depots, the Vietnamese decided to use one of our tankers as such. They unloaded it as needed, again realizing that they would not bomb it. The crew had a hard time: several weeks on a raid in the tropical heat without air conditioning, in a swarm of midges.
            Alexander Nekhoroshev, former adviser to the embassy of the USSR in the DRV on inter-party relations:
            - The Vietnamese relied on the fact that they are at the forefront of the struggle against imperialism, shed blood, and the main country of socialism could provide much greater military and economic assistance. No arguments acted upon them. All our requests were ignored. For example, we have asked Vietnamese comrades many times to give us their medicines for tropical diseases, but have not received anything. When we asked to give us one of the forty German shepherds sent to Vietnam by the border guards of the German Democratic Republic to guard the embassy, ​​the Vietnamese agreed reluctantly. After all, the dog in Vietnam is a delicacy. The Vietnamese comrades ate all the other shepherds sent for the border troops.

            Claims to the authors of a documentary ...
          2. hohol95
            hohol95 April 2 2018 16: 17
            +1
            Rozin Alexander.
            The main highway.
            Soviet sailors in providing international assistance to Vietnam in gaining independence and repelling American aggression.
            5. 1967 year.
            Chinese position.
            In 1967, when the United States brought the strength of its troops in Vietnam to 500 thousand, anti-Soviet hysteria in China reached a special intensity. In the statements of a number of Chinese leaders at that time there was an overt threat to break off Soviet-Chinese relations. This meant, in particular, the cessation of the transport of Soviet weapons and other goods to Vietnam through China, the supply of which, by necessity, was increasingly increasing. Delays by the Chinese authorities of railway echelons with cargo from the USSR then became commonplace. Encouraged by Maoist leaders, the Hongweibins raided trains and robbed them, in June-July 1968 whole trains carrying loads of Soviet military materials did not arrive at their destination. The American magazine "Covert Action" reported on the facts of China appropriating during the period of the "cultural revolution" the latest types of Soviet military equipment and weapons, including ground-to-air missiles, intended for the DRV. Along with the obstacles created for transporting Soviet goods to the DRV, the PRC sharply reduced its own supplies to Vietnam, as the anarchist element unleashed by the "cultural revolution" led the Chinese economy to complete collapse.
            The Chinese also obstructed the sea transportation carried out by the Soviet Union for the DRV using the ports of China. In September 1966, the Chinese detained the Amursk tanker in Shanghai for several days. On December 8, 1966, the Chinese authorities detained the Far Soviet ship “Zagorsk” in the port and kept it under arrest until December 28, 1966. The reason was the refusal of Captain GD Naumov to comply with the order of the Chinese pilot upon leaving the port, as it threatened security vessel. On July 20-21, 1967, in the Yellow Sea, a warship and armed vessels of the PRC took threatening actions against the Soviet ship Hydrograph, which was in neutral waters. In August 1967, conditions were deliberately created by the Chinese authorities in the port of Dalniy under which the Soviet ships Turkestan and Kamchatskles were unable to enter the port and load, after which they left without cargo on August 15. From March 27 to April 5, 1968, the Soviet tanker Komsomolets Ukrainy (captain I.G. Kosyakov), carrying goods to the DRV, was illegally detained in the port of Vampu.
      2. hohol95
        hohol95 April 2 2018 16: 54
        +1
        The Vietnamese no less famously lost armored vehicles. And T-54 and PT-76.
        On April 13, the 20th and 21st tank battalions supported the 9th Infantry Division, which launched an assault on An-Lok. However, coordination between tanks, infantry, and artillery was weak, and South Vietnamese infantry used TOW anti-tank missiles.
        As a result, a convoy of 6 T-54B that entered the city, which reached the main street, was completely destroyed. Other attackers were hit by an airstrike, losing to a platoon of tanks.
        On April 15, the 171st tank battalion participated in the second assault on An-Lok, during which another 12 T-54s were lost. On May 9, the North Vietnamese made another attempt to take An-Lok, launching an attack supported by 40 tanks. By May 12, T-54 reached the northern and eastern parts of the city, but could not achieve a decisive victory. After the loss of almost all the remaining 40 tanks, the DRV troops moved away from the city.
        During the offensive of 1972, DRV troops lost about 400 tanks.

        To make up for losses in 1973, the USSR delivered another batch of tanks to North Vietnam: T-55, T-54, T-34/85, and PT-76. Type 59 and Type 63 tanks were received from China. A total of about 600 tanks.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 2 2018 17: 07
          +1
          Quote: hohol95
          During the offensive of 1972, DRV troops lost about 400 tanks.

          Three times less than the Arabs lost in three weeks of fighting. smile
          If the same Egyptians lost 400 tanks a year in battle, this would be an outstanding achievement.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 April 3 2018 08: 18
            0
            I do not defend the Arab military ...
            But even from the Vietnamese "tactics and strategists" there is no need to make the ancient Greek commander Epaminondas.
            Moreover, in Vietnam there were no such "epic" tank battles that took place on the plains of the Sinai and the Bekaa Valley.
            In addition, little is known about the loss of tanks from the troops of South Vietnam and the US contingent! They attribute all the main losses to bad bamboo bridges, mines, artillery and ATGM "Baby". They don’t give a single lost car to North Vietnamese tankmen.
            The Israelis, when calculating, nevertheless, a percentage of losses attributed to the fire of the tanks of the Egyptians and Syrians.
  5. 1536
    1536 April 2 2018 14: 29
    +5
    A good illustration of the upcoming US military parade.
    1. Simon
      Simon April 2 2018 14: 38
      +4
      Yeah, a parade of American global shame! laughing
  6. Mimohod
    Mimohod April 2 2018 14: 29
    +3
    “But every time, bearing losses many times greater than American ones," people in black pajamas "were ready to start all over again. Perhaps that is why the Vietnamese experience is so carefully studied by the military of the whole world, ”the author notes.
    Without the white-faced Li-si-tsins and Ku-ni-tsins, this experience would not be so valuable, so the world’s combatants should look at the Vietnamese combat experience for the broadest and draw conclusions accordingly ......
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 2 2018 15: 59
      0
      The Vietnamese earned respect as staunch soldiers, and the losses were incompatible with the US. All equipment, weapons, and ammunition were Soviet. Even building materials were transported by sea from Vladivostok. And all this is almost for nothing, so to speak for supporting the "socialist course" of Ho Chi Minh.
      1. Mimohod
        Mimohod April 2 2018 16: 08
        0
        the role of our specialists was also considerable ...
  7. Simon
    Simon April 2 2018 14: 36
    +4
    American historical and political shame SHAME! crying wink - I can’t say anything more about this. request
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 2 2018 14: 38
    0
    Only not everyone in Vietnam remembers the results of that war, otherwise they would not have taken different handouts from the USA now! !!!
    1. Mimohod
      Mimohod April 2 2018 15: 04
      0
      Salvage reformatting people to zero, a reality of our time, did not become the opposing ideology versus the yellow devil ....
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 2 2018 15: 12
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Only not everyone in Vietnam remembers the results of that war, otherwise they would not have taken different handouts from the USA now! !!!

      And what - are there alternatives? Some of our companies are ready to supply similar products, and the state is ready to finance these deliveries?
      A couple of months ago, Vietnam was swearing with the last words when he decided to take the Orion patrols in the States. To the question "what can we offer in return", those who swore somehow avoided answering. smile
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic April 2 2018 15: 48
        0
        I’m not a power, but I understand that you just need to work more actively there! Not to beg, as we know how, but to prove, arguing with the same war, our equipment then showed itself!
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 2 2018 17: 09
          0
          Quote: Herkulesich
          I’m not a power, but I understand that you just need to work more actively there! Not to beg, as we know how, but to prove, arguing with the same war, our equipment then showed itself!

          So we don’t have the equipment that the customer needs. We do not produce basic patrol aircraft. sad
  9. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber April 2 2018 14: 39
    +1
    It may seem inadequate, but the photos are "pleasing to the eye")))
    It is clear why the current leadership of Vietnam is approaching the United States, BUT, nevertheless, it should be remembered that the striped did with their country. Hope this is not forgotten!
  10. Simon
    Simon April 2 2018 14: 44
    +4
    Quote: hohol95
    The author recalls that Vietnam did not receive the latest models of Soviet weapons. In the battles mainly used technique of the forties and fifties. The Vietnamese went to victory through a series of failures and defeats.

    Would they like to drown the T-10 tanks in their swamps?
    It was better to plan and the troops to learn, teach and teach ...
    Aircraft and air defense systems were also forties?
    And, wherever they were without that technique of the forties, fifties ....

    The MIG-21 and MIG-15 aircraft are aircraft of the time in Vietnam. For forty years does not pull. MIG-21 is still in service in some states. wink
    1. Vard
      Vard April 2 2018 14: 49
      0
      A relative served at the airport where they made pilots from the Vietnamese ... at first they could not withstand the overloads ... and only after they were fed elementarily ... things went smoothly ...
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 2 2018 15: 17
      +1
      Quote: Simon
      The MIG-21 and MIG-15 aircraft are aircraft of the time in Vietnam. For forty years does not pull. MIG-21 is still in service in some states

      Vietnam also received the MiG-17 and MiG-19. And the MiG-15s in Vietnam were in the UTI variant.
      But the Vietnamese only got S-125 when the war was already over, although they requested them from us regularly. Moreover, the Vietnamese, to put it mildly, were indignant at the fact that the USSR did not supply them with what it was supplying to Egypt, which received these air defense systems as early as 1970.
    3. hohol95
      hohol95 April 2 2018 15: 33
      0
      MiG-17 were still.
  11. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin April 2 2018 14: 45
    +1
    It was necessary that each member of the US Congress at the desktop had these photos as a tragic reminder, and whenever there was a desire to punish anyone, they would break a cold sweat from the inevitability of a boomerang!
  12. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 2 2018 14: 46
    0
    The reason for the invasion of Vietnam to help the “bourgeois” South was some rather strange incidents in the Gulf of Tonkin in early August of 1964. The first clash between the US Navy and the ships of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV) took place on August 2. The destroyer "Maddox" allegedly entered the territorial waters of Vietnam (for what purpose?) And joined the battle with three torpedo boats.

    4 August, if you believe the official version of the United States, in the Gulf of Tonkin, American destroyer radars recorded the approach of more than a dozen unknown ships. In the area of ​​detection of enemy forces, the aircraft were alerted, but they did not find anyone in the Gulf of Tonkin. Nevertheless, the very fact of a potential threat to US destroyers (if it really did occur, of course) provoked the alleged outrage of US President Lyndon Johnson.

    The absurdity of the assumption of aggression by the DRV is confirmed by a conversation held in 1995 between ex-US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and his former Vietnamese counterpart, Vo Nguyen Zyap. The interlocutors agreed that the 2 of August really was an armed clash, but the fact of any presence of Vietnamese forces near the American 4 destroyers of August Zyap categorically rejected.

    The completely unfounded fears of a military threat formed the basis of the Tonkin resolution adopted by the US Congress, which granted the White House the right to send troops into Vietnam. From August 1964, the US Air Force began bombing the territory of the DRV, and the Pentagon received an official carte blanche to prepare for a land invasion of the republic.
  13. Altona
    Altona April 2 2018 14: 46
    +5
    Quote: Kolovrat
    Americans can also remind Vietnamese of something: Agent Orange.

    ---------------------------------
    Oh, the Nazis stepped up. Do you advocate the use of chemical weapons?
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  14. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 April 2 2018 14: 50
    +1
    The Vietnamese portal is hosting, and the Vietnamese government is reporting. The best luminaries for SRVs recently are the USA.
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov April 2 2018 14: 56
      +1
      Bought with giblets smile
    2. Sergey-8848
      Sergey-8848 April 2 2018 14: 57
      +1
      The names given below by me, namely:
      Kolovrat and Simargl are provocateurs. Communicating with them, you will understand this, and, accordingly, decide how to talk with identified with ... s
      1. Denis Obukhov
        Denis Obukhov April 2 2018 14: 59
        +1
        State Department Agents?
        1. Sergey-8848
          Sergey-8848 April 2 2018 15: 17
          +1
          SW Denis Obukhov, You're not Lindsay Graham. This is evident if only because you can print, think and formulate thoughts in a coherent manner.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 2 2018 17: 12
      +1
      Quote: Sergey-8848
      The Vietnamese portal is hosting, and the Vietnamese government is reporting. The best luminaries for SRVs recently are the USA.

      And what can you do if the Russian Federation cannot offer what Vietnam needs. But the Vietnamese have to wait until our industry sways, once - they have China at their fingertips.
      1. Sergey-8848
        Sergey-8848 April 2 2018 17: 23
        0
        A divorce for one or two, when a solid roof offers protection from the fears that hit yesterday. Patsanva It would be better if they learned business from their compatriots from our markets.
  15. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 2 2018 15: 03
    0
    AND THIS IS REALITIES OF TODAY:
    https://topwar.ru/139044-ssha-peredali-vetnamu-vt
    oruyu-partiyu-malyh-katerov.html
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  17. SASHA OLD
    SASHA OLD April 2 2018 15: 27
    +1
    March 16, Songmi village, that’s what the Americans must remember
  18. Mentat
    Mentat April 2 2018 15: 51
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    Quote: Kolovrat
    Americans can also remind Vietnamese of something: Agent Orange.

    What do you mean by that? Or just to blurt out something?
    It is rather a reminder to the Americans themselves of a series of war crimes.
    As a result of the use of this essentially chemical weapon, a million (!) People became disabled. Including US military and urban residents around the industries.
    Legal warfare against their own veterans affected by Agent Orange is another page of America’s shame.
    A separate point is the gagging by scientists in the United States, who were trying to say about the inadmissibility of using such substances for anything.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 2 2018 17: 44
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      Quote: Mentat
      As a result of the use of this essentially chemical weapon, a million (!) People became disabled. Including US military and urban residents around the industries.

      I’ll tell you more - Agent Orange was used even in the United States almost until the 80s of the last century - by the Environmental Protection Agency. for pollination of forests. By what technology it was produced is unknown.
      Quote: Mentat
      A separate point is the gagging by scientists in the United States, who were trying to say about the inadmissibility of using such substances for anything.

      More precisely, they shut their mouths to those who tried to convey to the public that the Agent Orange produced was contaminated with dioxin due to a violation of technology (EMNIP, they switched to a simplified production technology to reduce production time at the plant). Because high-quality AO was much less toxic.
  19. cormorant
    cormorant April 2 2018 17: 07
    +1
    Somehow I went to the port of Vietnam, already and in which I do not remember. The pilot, as he learned that I am Russian, said so many kind words to Russia. I was already touched by habit. The Vietnamese remember who helped them in the war ...
  20. Kibl
    Kibl April 2 2018 17: 24
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    “Exceptional” managed it with their tail drawn, received by their faces, licking their bells and wagging. The shit mongrels couldn’t defeat a small country and the help of the USSR And the PRC has nothing to do with it.
  21. d.antonov
    d.antonov April 2 2018 17: 32
    +2
    What kind of victory are we talking about?)
    Winners do not sign peace agreements that fulfill ALL the requirements of the vanquished. And North Vietnam did just that: it signed peace agreements in Paris, abandoning all its former claims and completely agreeing to American conditions - those that the Americans put forward from the very beginning.

    In general, theorists of the “crushing defeat of the United States” would make sense to read the memoirs of the Vietnamese military themselves - for example, the commander of the North Army Nguyen Giap. And to find out that by the beginning of the 1970s, the leadership of North Vietnam was completely desperate to win the war and was forced to enter into peace negotiations and the full satisfaction of American claims.

    The North Vietnamese themselves long ago recognized their military defeat
    1. ventel
      ventel April 2 2018 19: 07
      +1
      Yes, only witless people have gathered on this site, but in order to really comprehend history, there isn’t enough intelligence. For example, take the USA and the USSR and calculate how much money was invested in Vietnam and Afghanistan, and I’m sure that there will be no answer. Because the truth will be bitter for the urapatriots.
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