The US Army completely switched to a new gun.

Following the US ground forces and the Marine Corps, the Air Force and the US Navy announced the transition to a new pistol. Military commanders of the US Navy and Air Force announced the purchase of M18 pistols (a modification of the SIG Sauer P320), reports "Warspot" with reference to the portal military.com

According to official reports from the press services of the US Navy and Air Force, the navy will purchase 60 000 new pistols. In service with the sailors, the M18 will replace the Beretta M9 and Sig Sauer M11 pistols. For the Air Force, the M18 version was also chosen, which will replace the Beretta M9 pistol. Total US Air Force plans to purchase 130 000 new pistols.

The new pistol will be supplied to troops in the caliber 9 × 19 Parabellum, with the manufacturer indicating that weapon is modular and can be easily converted to fire .357SIG and .40 S&W cartridges.

The ground forces, the Air Force, the Navy, and the Marine Corps are independent types of US forces, and their commands can make decisions about the use of certain weapon models. Earlier, the Army and the Marine Corps announced purchases of M17 and M18 pistols.

Comments

[Hire]

Why do they need pistols ... They do not engage in direct clashes. Bomb with 10m and shell with 000km.

[Shura Sailors]

And what to shoot yourself with (if suddenly something went wrong)?

[Hire]

Quote: Shura sailors

And shoot yourself with what?

For such a good deed, they could just buy rope and soap. It would be cheaper. Or open wider the windows on the upper floors.

[Shura Sailors]

long and troublesome

[Black Colonel]

Yeah, and the portable bar.

[Safevi]

Great gun! And the design is very beautiful.

[vorobey]

Quote: sefevi

Great gun! And the design is very beautiful.

it means as a trophy soon and we will have ..

[Huumi]

What optimist are you however ...

[Chever]

Quote: vorobey

it means as a trophy soon and we will have ..

Oh really? Probably in a parallel universe?

[Andrey K]

Quote: sefevi

... Great gun! And the design is very beautiful ...

You probably wanted to say beautiful. The green one is
Everything is fine - but even the geldings new to the stray, have long resisted this miracle of technology. The German-Swiss SIG Sauer P320 pistol itself, let’s say so, is ambiguous
In the US civilian market, this model has long been on sale. Manufacturers are overwhelmed with claims of "self-arrows" - this is the only pistol that shoots spontaneously with enviable constancy when dropped
I won’t lie - I don’t know if this “sore” is cured at present

What is assembled at a plant in New Hampshire, from the base SIG Sauer P320 has only a shape and a barrel with a trigger. Everything else is polymer, plastic. Plus, the geldings screwed their innovation into the classic pistol scheme: they changed the design of the locking pin in such a way that the gun cannot be dismantled without a special tool
Bottom line: the initial contract amounted to over 270 thousand full-size and 7 thousand compact pistols for the army, plus up to 212 thousand pistols for other military branches. At the moment, the order is cut more than twice

[Conserp]

They haven’t fixed anything yet. There are also other problems with the wagon:
- from the fall, not only shoots, but also breaks
- every now and then with the fired cartridge case throws another cartridge
- constant underreporting, poking and other delays

http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2017/pdf/ar
my / 2017mhs.pdf

[taiga2018]

Quote: shura sailors

And shoot yourself than

shoot yourself? American? gut thin ...

[Conserp]

21 thousand a year.
Another 20 thousand in other ways.

[MoJloT]

You look at the quantity, they are obviously not for everyone, and besides, it’s too troublesome and costly to teach ordinary pistol shooting with a pistol shooting with a pistol is more difficult than say with a rifle.

[Lopatov]

Quote: MoJloT

besides, teaching ordinary pistol shooting with a pistol is too troublesome and costly

A very high percentage of military personnel already at the recruit stage already have pistol shooting skills at the level of a Russian officer.

[MoJloT]

LLCooooooochen a controversial statement, here either you want to say that the level of firing from a pistol of a Russian officer = +/- 0, or just fantasizing ... Besides, what's the point?

[Lopatov]

Quote: MoJloT

here either you want to say that the level of firing from a pistol of a Russian officer = +/- 0

That is exactly what I want to say. If it were not for the periodic firing during inspections, our officers would have completely stopped training in firing from them.

But a bunch of American recruits have experience, and often a lot, shooting from their father's or their own pistol.

[MoJloT]

I agree with you, here the other day we were competing in shooting with a fire spotter from PMR, a very decent level of skills!

[Lopatov]

Firstly, Russian officers do not consider the pistol a military weapon. You can argue for a long time on this topic, discuss whether it is a reality or a traditional delusion, but this is a very stable opinion.
Secondly, to shoot from a pistol is a huge hemorrhagic event organization. Well, the situation with the machine gun is the opposite. No problem for the officer to get a machine gun with his own weapons and to "fall on the tail" to any unit located at the shooting range. And with a bunch of very knowledgeable instructors, if this is an infantry unit.

[Hiller]

Well, I don’t know ... no problems - a “crap” with the organization in the battalion (regiment) ... they shot margolin barracks in the basement (including female military personnel and officers' wives), as well as all officers and warrant officers on the director of the PM, APS and the categories previously listed by me, as well as mechanics-drivers and grenade launchers, which are assigned according to the state of PM or APS

[Lopatov]

Quote: hiller

including female military and officer wives

Not only wives, but also children. And not from Margolin, but PM. He himself shot a schoolboy.
However, Afghanistan and Chechnya have all changed the attitude of officers towards pistols.

[LSA57]

Quote: MoJloT

OOOoooooooochen a controversial statement, either you want to say that the level of firing from a pistol of a Russian officer = +/- 0, or just fantasize ...

weapons to almost every family, a mass of shooting galleries. learn to shoot almost from school.
in our country, the same officers take up arms when they take the oath. and during military service, often shoot? many maximum 2 times a year before inspections

[Normal ok]

Quote: MoJloT

LLCooooooochen a controversial statement, here either you want to say that the level of firing from a pistol of a Russian officer = +/- 0, or just fantasizing ... Besides, what's the point?

I remember that during the whole time of studying at the school (Soviet time) we fired a pistol 2 times. And about once a year, when he already served in the unit.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: MoJloT

level of firing a pistol of a Russian officer = +/- 0,

Well .... I don’t know .... all the "nuances" ... But in our unit (partly not the "infantry"), the officers fired from AK and PM during the training firing quite well! Even fired from the RPD "dabbled" ...
After the army, being a reservist of a separate KGB communications unit, I had to go to the taiga for training exercises ... there, the officers came off "in full" —fired from PM.One was .... finally, a sniper! He showed such tricks, and that's it! I didn’t get from the PM there, although I shot well from the AK in the army, despite the fact that my vision was already weak even then ...
PS The main thing ... that the "extra" cartridges were enough!

[MoJloT]

It is not a matter of your eyesight or not so much of your eyesight; pistol shooting requires different equipment and skills, and it differs depending on the gun. It’s not enough just to bring the rear sight to the front sight.

[Vladimir Ter-Odiyants]

Quote: Spade

Quote: MoJloT

besides, teaching ordinary pistol shooting with a pistol is too troublesome and costly

A very high percentage of military personnel already at the recruit stage already have pistol shooting skills at the level of a Russian officer.

Moreover, the same picture is in the national guard.

[Artek]

when will our army switch to new pistols?

[LSA57]

Quote: Artek

when will our army switch to new pistols?

what for? does our army fight so much?

[Artek]

Quote: LSA57

Quote: Artek

when will our army switch to new pistols?

what for? does our army fight so much?

so necessary ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Hire

Why do they need pistols ...

from stray dogs fight back when drunk from dismissal to the location you crawl

[ul_vitalii]

Yes, dogs will take them for their own, who licks, and who raises a leg, a mark as a keepsake so to speak

[LSA57]

Quote: ul_vitalii

and who will raise the leg

from these

[Shura Sailors]

It was always surprising that

The command of the SV, Air Force, Navy and US MP decide for themselves what weapons to equip their forces

. But what about "in the army everything is uniform and ugly"?

[Lopatov]

Quote: shura sailors

But what about "in the army everything is uniform and ugly"?

For the convenience of cutting the money of American taxpayers, the sawing office is not one, but four.

[Shura Sailors]

well, if only so

[Lopatov]

In general, the Americans are quite actively changing their pistols. Apparently, there is a “pistol culture” in the army that forces it to do so.
Our traditions, on the other hand, are different in principle, and somewhere since the return of officers from Afghanistan to the Union, the pistol began to occupy a niche “of what is received in the outfit and what should be received on alert” more and more.

[vkl.47]

Yes, not a pistol culture, but a military budget. The money has to be put somewhere. Scare Russian Ivan everything and everything.

[Lopatov]

Quote: vkl.47

Yes, not a pistol culture but a budget has grown

They have a regular gun with a sergeant.
In our country, even staff officers, in their overwhelming majority, don’t take a gun for combat.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Spade

They have a regular gun with a sergeant.
In our country, even staff officers, in their overwhelming majority, don’t take a gun for combat.

I sincerely do not understand why an officer (if he is not special), and even less so for a sergeant, needs a gun. For self-defense, the U-box is much better, if only to shoot the alarmist, coward and traitor. But all the same, this can be done from a machine gun, and instead of a pehol, take a couple of additional stores. I even knew a platoon (I couldn’t strengthen it), so their Kalash dangled behind their backs in reserve, and in their hands it started with the PKK and up to the Utes, and you were talking about a gun for combat.

[Hiller]

I don’t know about you .. our officers are always with PM from the platoon and higher .. the automatic machine by itself ..

[Sands Careers General]

Mdaa, while in Russia it’s still not clear whether the General Staff, or the submarine, or Yarygin. MO wants to jump off the macaroni, but so far has not come out.

[tracer]

The mistake of the majority of forum participants is that they try to explain events and things that are not reasonable with rational and prudent logic.

[ZVO]

Quote: tracer

The mistake of the majority of forum participants is that they try to explain events and things that are not reasonable with rational and prudent logic.

Explain pliz, what is the unreasonable replacement of pistols in the army after 30 years of "services"?

[sgazeev]

A good option for self-shooting. Without noise and dust.

[Topotun]

The gun for the army is generally a secondary thing, it’s not special. The main weapon is automatic and higher. Therefore, replacing pistols with more modern ones is not the main thing ....

[wicked pinnochio]

only one thing bothers me why the exceptional ones don’t order pistols from their companies but buy from third parties

[av58]

Because they buy the best, they can afford it. Anyway, there will be a minimum partial localization of production.

[Conserp]

Yeah. Corporations buy the best lobbyists, and through them buy the best officials and the best congressmen. And so the best cuts and profits turn out.

And the gun is complete rubbish.

[Catfish]

Quote: Hire

Why do they need pistols ... They do not engage in direct clashes. Bomb with 10m and shell with 000km.

But it should be. By political correctness. The white uncle of the general has a gun, and the poor ordinary cook is not a Negro. Infringement of rights, segregation and racism! But the blue marines in gay clubs without pistols, back, no way. Than to strike the imagination of beautiful d ... uh-uh, well, understandable. So let's go without homophobia. So they buy and saw money, without this, too, nothing. Their pistols have not been sculpted for a long time, their brains have swam with fat, and Europe at least somehow “saves” it.
Yes, and they do not need them. There, as in "Trick 22", only two morons with guns flew to the entire American air wing. Their pilots during the war in Korea instead of pistols hung on the neck plates in the local dialect: "I, like, a wealthy man, do not kill me and you will be paid a ransom." Even the photo was in the newspaper of one such jerk surrounded by North Korean peasants. I don’t know what they did to him later, maybe exchanged for chewing gum.

[Savignon]

And will the new pistols help the Americans against the Sarmat + Vanguard complex?

[Cynic]

More "greyhound puppies" threw the EU ...
Or is it because of love for one’s neighbor the Yankees so support?

[av58]

Where it went, it came to that. Beretta won the last Snot SAUER tender when the P226 lost only in price. In the end, the best will always break its way. Cool gun, I envy.