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Check rocket engines completed in Voronezh. Now there will be no failures?

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In Voronezh, all stages of rocket engine inspection for Proton and Soyuz launch vehicles have been completed. We are talking about rocket power plants, which could contain defects. The verification was initiated in connection with a series of accidents related to defects in rocket technology. According to Igor Mochalin, general director of VMZ (Voronezh Mechanical Plant), monitoring is completed ..


Check rocket engines completed in Voronezh. Now there will be no failures?


RIA News cites Mochalin's statement:
The Voronezh Mechanical Plant completed the inspection of the 58 commercial engines for the Proton-M launch vehicle, which were transferred to the company in the 2017 year. In the near future, the engines of the last two batches will be tested, after which they will be sent to the customer. 16 engines for the Soyuz launch vehicles were also checked and sent to customers.


Recall that in the course of the commission’s work, problems with the composition of the solder used in the installation of rocket engines were previously identified. Only for 2017 a year, due to the identified problem, more than 70 engines had to be re-processed. This resulted in additional costs that were not explicitly provided for by the original contracts.

The other day (March 21) from the Baikonur cosmodrome successfully launched a space rocket as part of the Soyuz-FG launch vehicle (with the 11D55 engine manufactured by Vyksa at 3-th stage) and the Soyuz MS-08 manned transport vehicle.

Mochalin:
In accordance with the production plan, the production and shipment of new commercial engines is underway. At start-ups already implemented this year and last 2017, all the engines of the Voronezh Mechanical Plant worked successfully, without comment.
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  1. antivirus
    antivirus April 2 2018 12: 44
    +5
    malfunctions can be - there should not be sloppiness
    1. Borik
      Borik April 2 2018 12: 53
      +2
      [Quote]Check rocket engines completed in Voronezh. Now there will be no failures?[/ quote

      Don't say gop until you jump over. No one is safe from failures.
      1. Hire
        Hire April 2 2018 13: 04
        +5
        All engines of the Voronezh Mechanical Plant worked successfully, without comment.

        No comment, that's good. It would be nice if without accidents ...
        1. helmi8
          helmi8 April 2 2018 13: 37
          +1
          Quote: Hire
          No comment, that's good. It would be nice if without accidents

          No comments - this means regularly in all modes. And the accident may not be due to the operation of the engines.
      2. siberalt
        siberalt April 2 2018 13: 10
        +2
        Rejected Chinese solder. And do not chase for cheapness. But who was responsible for this?winked
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit April 2 2018 13: 36
        +4
        Quote: Borik
        No one is safe from failures.

        Yes, but disruptions can be minimized. In this case, in any serious production, there are a number of completely mandatory quality measures. I don’t understand one thing, earlier when testing engines, that no one at all saw the mismatch of the parameters? Or at the reception, the representative of the customer did not pay attention that the wrong solder was used in the production? It has always been like this recently, the production culture has fallen, details come out even with slight defects on the permit cards from acceptance, and so on just a little bit, but the assembly is already completely different. Either it does not produce parameters, or does not work at all.
        1. businessv
          businessv April 2 2018 15: 08
          0
          Quote: Orionvit
          Or at the reception, the representative of the customer did not pay attention that the wrong solder was used in the production?

          He could not physically pay attention to the quality of the solder because the place of soldering, as a rule, is covered with a protective compound after testing, and microcracks in the solder are formed only during direct operation and physical stress on the circuit board, such as vibration. Faced this - the composition of the solder is appropriate, and the quality of the soldering during its operation is poor.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit April 2 2018 15: 35
            +4
            Quote: businessv
            Board loads such as vibration. Faced this - the composition of the solder is appropriate

            The level of vibration loads in rocket engines is many orders of magnitude higher and, accordingly, the requirements for materials are many times higher. For example, I came across a similar when testing aircraft engines (20 years of experience). The procurement department, with the full support of the management (financial interests), purchases something similar (according to certificates), but in fact it is absolutely not suitable in quality. The technologist, at the request of his superiors (do what is), writes to the act of acceptance of the part or assembly, a permit card (which is necessarily filed to the case) and everyone is happy. And then during the trials you rack your brains for a long time, where do defects come from that no one has ever encountered. You open the engine case, and everything falls into place, here they allowed to use the material not according to technology, but "similar", there is a small mating device, something else in detail, but as a result, the missiles fall. By the way, the rocket engines, after the test, are completely disassembled to the screw, all the parts are defective (to detect defects) according to the technology, then they are assembled, and only after that they are sent to the customer. There is only one conclusion, and I already wrote about it, this is a fall in general professionalism, and, as a consequence, a production culture.
            1. businessv
              businessv April 3 2018 22: 38
              +1
              Quote: Orionvit
              There is only one conclusion, and I already wrote about it, this is a fall in general professionalism, and, as a consequence, a production culture.

              Thanks for the interesting details about the tests, I did not know about them! With sadness we can say that in all high-tech industries such a story! Money is everything, unfortunately!
    2. Scoun
      Scoun April 2 2018 12: 55
      +3
      Quote: antivirus
      malfunctions can be - there should not be sloppiness

      But after such news you begin to believe that there will be no failures.

      Event Details

      The Magomedov brothers were placed in solitary confinement in the Lefortovo pre-trial detention center
      Kommersant
      11:36

      But what about Medvedev and Dvorkovich?
  2. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 2 2018 12: 52
    +5
    It’s necessary to catch up with the Mask. She has 30 missile launches planned for this year.
    Six successful launches with satellites have already been made.
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 April 2 2018 12: 55
      +7
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It’s necessary to catch up with the Mask.

      what for? space is not a stadium. how much is planned, so much will be launched
    2. Scoun
      Scoun April 2 2018 12: 57
      +7
      Quote: voyaka uh
      It’s necessary to catch up with the Mask. She has 30 missile launches planned for this year.
      Six successful launches with satellites have already been made.

      Ugh ugh ... and still be bankrupt?
      Someone shoves the mask as opposed to NASA, they pour in so much money even though they still haven’t received a ruble of profit.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 April 2 2018 13: 07
        +5
        Yes Yes Yes. Not a ruble came from a bunch of 100% of commercial launches.

        It is so unprofitable that everything from New Zealanders to the Chinese now climbed into the segment pushing each other. Well, I wonder who finances it? If anything, he can redeem NASA for his money and still remain a rich man from the TOP-5 world laughing

        And his system is much more promising and more advanced than that of Mask. And if Musk cannot answer, then by the 28-30 year, Musk will be in the role of today's Roscosmos, that is, from the actual monopolist to the collector of crumbs from the pie of commercial launches.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit April 2 2018 13: 45
          +2
          Quote: donavi49
          If anything, he can redeem NASA for his money and still remain rich

          For your information, no private office space alone will not pull. All over the world, states are doing this. Musk can only be a NASA contractor, which he essentially is. If the commercial launch of satellites can still bring some kind of income, then manned space flight is a pure loss and works only for the prestige of the state. In addition, we’ll see what happens to such inflated figures like Musk, after the next financial crisis, which regularly shakes the Western system.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 2 2018 19: 13
            +2
            "no private office space alone will not pull. In the whole world involved in this state." ////

            There are billionaires who are much richer than many states. And if they decided to invest in space, and not in yachts, islands and castles, then their investments are more than the state can afford from the budget. In the United States, there are two at once: Mask (PayPal) and Bezos (Amazon). Mask has 21 billion, Bezos has more than 100 billion.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit April 2 2018 22: 31
              0
              Quote: voyaka uh
              There are billionaires who are much richer than many states.

              If such "states" as Somalia or Ukraine, then yes, but they do not fly into space. Countries with a state space program can be counted on the fingers.
              Mask has 21 billion, Bezos has more than 100 billion.
              Is this how much money, or their assets? You should know that these are two different things. For some, debts are recorded in assets. “You look” at some sort of billionaire about whom they say that he has “capital” in the amount of 10 billion (for example), but in reality he owes 5 billion.
        2. antivirus
          antivirus April 2 2018 14: 31
          +1
          antivirus 6 May 20, 2016 09:14 | The pasta monster Ilona Mask, or the logical result of the adventure
          the whole article is about "good" private business.
          The USA (State) decided to privatize 60 and even 70 years of work (from Brown) - the joy of them, not us.
          They decided to run forward without a load of mistakes and achievements), etc.
          "only sand and nothing more."
          You need to quickly check the options by NASA. (For sure, their development or theft from around the world can not be accepted at NASA).
          China India Iran Saudi Republic of South Africa Brazil France (who in Europe ischo who?).
          How much do they follow the traditional path?
          They will always be able to blame them on one “blue thief”, and it’s a shame to stand up and stand on one row with Iran and North Korea.
          For the pinnacle of "world government," this is Ch.
          And then the girls from the PR and the c-th engineers.
          We need to provide the same salary in the space industry as in NASA and really develop.
          Does it work out?
          A complaint
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 April 2 2018 13: 03
      +2
      Today, by the way, it flies to the ISS - its used CRS-14 truck - used 100%.
      Rocket launched CRS-12
      The truck itself is CRS-8.

      Both the rocket and the truck will crash on the return. The rocket is the old version (they will only reuse the BlockNUMX now), the garbage truck truck will work for return.
    4. Muvka
      Muvka April 2 2018 13: 17
      +1
      1 launch was unsuccessful. Do not cheat. In general, the mask would be nice to catch up with the Chinese. They have more launches planned. Does that mean Musk is lagging behind?
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 2 2018 16: 10
        0
        No accidents were confirmed by Zuma. So far the only off comment. That everything went ok. From the military and SpaceX
        1. Muvka
          Muvka April 2 2018 18: 34
          +1
          It did not come from the fact that it is a secret military satellite.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona April 3 2018 11: 04
            0
            Other satellites reported it, and one that exploded into small shreds according to TASS data was later found to be safe in orbit.
            The disappearance of the multi-ton apparatus and the appearance of small objects in its place was logically explained by the USA-53 emergency blast. A TASS statement issued on March 16 said that the satellite was apparently taken out of orbit on March 7.

            The Pentagon responded with an ambiguous statement about the completion of the operation. In practice, a complex of measures to misinform the USSR hid the successful launch of the first MISTY invisible satellite into orbit.

            Despite the successful implementation of the ingenious covert launch plan, the Misty-1 satellite was in danger from amateur astronomers conducting optical observations in various countries. In October 1990, three European "satellite catchers" discovered an unknown object in a high circular orbit with a height of 810 km and an inclination of 65 °.
  3. Fkjydjckfrgh
    Fkjydjckfrgh April 2 2018 12: 54
    +1
    Each solder has a full name. Where are they and what terms are they given? Switchmen and guards, please do not voice.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack April 2 2018 13: 15
      +4
      Quote: Fkjydjckfrgh
      Each solder has a full name.

      And do you have? Alonvoslakpr somehow ... does not inspire.
      I translate: who are you to ask? wink
  4. LSA57
    LSA57 April 2 2018 12: 54
    +2
    Recall that during the commission's work, problems with the composition of the solder used in the installation of rocket engines were previously identified

    Is it really also decided to save on solder?
    or technologists technically illiterate? continuous questions and minuscule answers
    1. sapporo1959
      sapporo1959 April 2 2018 21: 13
      0
      Saving on solder seems strange to you, and people you need for this saving have probably already bought houses in the Alps ... Nothing personal is just a business!
  5. Jeremiah
    Jeremiah April 2 2018 12: 57
    +4
    The topic of responsibility "For the wrong solder" was not disclosed ... Before that, the one on you was not the same, but if the engine operators had been brought carpentry glue instead of solder, would they continue to sculpt?
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit April 2 2018 13: 48
      +2
      Quote: Jeremiah
      Before that, there was one and it was not that on you, but if they brought wood glue to the engine operators instead of solder, would they continue to sculpt?

      Recently, basically this is done. Hence the accident. The casket just opens.
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 2 2018 12: 58
    +6
    Well, to take off, fly to a given orbit and do not fall anymore!
    Merikatosovsky max only burns out in his plans, both in the production of cars, and his advertised flights to Mars. I flew into huge grandmasbully
    1. antivirus
      antivirus April 2 2018 14: 34
      0
      antivirus 6 May 20, 2016 09:14 | The pasta monster Ilona Mask, or the logical result of the adventure
      the whole article is about "good" private business.
      The USA (State) decided to privatize 60 and even 70 years of work (from Brown) - the joy of them, not us.
      They decided to run forward without a load of mistakes and achievements), etc.
      "only sand and nothing more."
      You need to quickly check the options by NASA. (For sure, their development or theft from around the world can not be accepted at NASA).
      China India Iran Saudi Republic of South Africa Brazil France (who in Europe ischo who?).
      How much do they follow the traditional path?
      They will always be able to blame them on one “blue thief”, and it’s a shame to stand up and stand on one row with Iran and North Korea.
      For the pinnacle of "world government," this is Ch.
      And then the girls from the PR and the c-th engineers.
      We need to provide the same salary in the space industry as in NASA and really develop.
      Does it work out?
      A complaint
  7. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya April 2 2018 13: 30
    +1
    Yeah, now we need to do everything in high quality, and time will tell how well they did. And so many people wished to go into space except Roscosmos and NASO.
  8. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 April 2 2018 14: 23
    0
    If the whole chain of people associated with sloven in the field of space technology would work by sentence in a bunch on another high-tech platform - in manual forestry (where they belong), then there would be problems with knots.
  9. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General April 2 2018 14: 27
    +2
    It is better to spend money from the budget than to receive losses from a fallen rocket due to the human factor.
  10. businessv
    businessv April 2 2018 15: 18
    0
    Friends!

    Do not write please

    interlaced like this swatch!

    This does not add weight to the comment,

    but REALLY annoying! am
    Friends! Please do not write in interlaced mode, like this sample! This does not add weight to the comment, but REALLY ANNOUNCES! am
    Now I understand why? drinks
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 2 2018 21: 57
      0
      This does not happen at the request of the writer, but depends on the operating system. In Windows you see this way, and in Android - in a different way.