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Tu-22M will receive a new version

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The PAK DA creation program has been significantly shifted in terms and reduced in funding, but by the 2021 year a new version of the Tu-22M can take to the air, follows from the adopted state armaments program for 2018 – 2027 years, the bmpd blog reports


Tu-22M will receive a new version


The state armament program (GPV-2027) included a program for the restoration in a modified form of serial production of Tu-22M long-range bombers; they are supposed to support the potential of the Russian far aviation for the next 20–25 years.

Planned to resume production of aircraft at the Kazan Aviation Plant of PJSC "Tupolev", which actually became a division of long-range aviation of the Russian United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC). The study of the possibility of modifying the Tu-22M was begun in accordance with the current HPV adopted in 2010 for the 2011 – 2020 years (the research and development work “Magnitka”).

In PJSC “Tupolev”, the project of radical modernization of the Tu-22М is designated as “Product 345” (the “45-30” index is also used), and therefore the aircraft can receive the official Tu-345 index (the “145” code had the original aircraft Tu-22M, the “245” cipher was used in 1990-ies to create the previous modified version remaining on paper with the Tu-22М5 index).

It is noted that when creating a new version, they will actively use the developments of the Tu-22М3М project for upgrading Tu-22М3 aeronautical aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Force (according to the new GWP, financing for the modernization of Tu-22М3М 36 drill machines).

The 345 should retain the Tu-22М3 bomber glider, but instead of the NK-25 engines it will be equipped with two NK-32 engines of the 02 series. Production of these engines is now being restored at PJSC Kuznetsov in Samara to remotorize the current Tu-160 bombers and equip the Tu-160М2 bomber with new construction.

It is known that the aircraft "345" will have a crew of two people and will be nominally equipped with a retractable rod for refueling in the air.

Supposedly, 345 will receive onboard electronic equipment similar to the upgraded Tu-160М2 aircraft.

At present, at the Kazan Aviation Plant there are at least four unfinished mothballed gliders of Tu-22М3 airplanes, which will be used to build prototypes and pre-production samples of a restored bomber. The first prototype of the "345" can thus be lifted into the air already in the 2021 year. Serial production can be organized in Kazan from 2026-2027 at a rate of up to three or four aircraft per year.
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  1. Don
    Don April 2 2018 12: 36
    +7
    If PAK YES to us today is simply too tough, then everything is logical. They resume production of the upgraded Tu-160 with improved engines, now they will take up the Tu-22 with the same engines.
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich April 2 2018 12: 41
      +8
      At the Kazan aircraft plant, the repair of the central building is already too tough. 16.03.2018 parapet over the entrance to the director's entrance KAPO them. Gorbunova hit Toyota Land Cruiser KAZ Director Nikolai Savitsky.

      https://inkazan.ru/news/politics/16-03-2018/razda
      vlennyy-kirpichami-land-cruiser-prinadlezhit-dire
      ktoru-kaz-nikolayu-savitskih? ind = 1 & page = 1 &
      ; show_dt = 1
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 April 2 2018 13: 05
        +4
        In Soviet times, he served near Poltava, often saw the TU-22, they constantly flew there. And they had a major flaw - they could land only with empty tanks. And in flight, according to the instructions, it is necessary to take with a margin, so that there is always excess fuel left. And then the excess fuel in front of the airfield was poured into the air. There was a village, in a local well, instead of water, high-purity kerosene was scooped.
        Interestingly, the TU-22M corrected this defect?
        soldier
        1. hrych
          hrych April 2 2018 16: 52
          +4
          Quote: Donskoy
          If PAK YES to us today is simply too tough

          Soon some stupid internet hamsters will get tough wassat By the way, it’s not a joke, the law is being prepared and that’s right, you need to know the obvious and potential traitors.
          Quote: Shurik70
          There was a village, in a local well, instead of water, high-purity kerosene was scooped.

          When the existence of a state and an ethnic group is at stake, the life of each individual person, village, etc. does not matter. In general, the Tu22M turns into a strategic bomber, taking into account refueling in the air, increasing the fuel supply when changing the layout and new strategic air-to-surface missiles. The best airplanes of mankind in the form of Tu-160, Tu-22M3 and Mig-31, which have reached the limit of jet aircraft, so their modernization and especially the resumption of production is one of the best news in the world and is invaluable in the upcoming dominance of the Russian Armed Forces on the planet. And the village to demolish nafik, resettle the inhabitants, pre-discharge (for prevention), gut the cattle and eat wassat
          1. Don
            Don April 2 2018 17: 48
            +8
            Quote: hrych
            The best airplanes of mankind in the form of Tu-160, Tu-22М3 and MiG-31, which have reached the limit of jet aircraft, so their modernization and especially the resumption of production is one of the best news in the world and is invaluable in the upcoming dominance of the Russian Armed Forces on Planet wassat

            You still have not answered me that you smoke? winked I do not know what to smoke, but the symptoms are exactly the same as those of stubborn Ukrainians winked
            1. hrych
              hrych April 2 2018 18: 06
              +4
              It’s just that there’s great positive news about the plane, but a blogger again poked around and anointed laughing This blogger with an avatar by Babochkin as Chapaev wassat which has nothing to do with the Don and the Cossacks. Chapaev was born in the village of Budaika, Cheboksary district, Kazan province in a peasant family. His dad is Erzya by ethnicity (Mordvins ethnic group), and his mother is a Chuvash. He fought territorially in Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Samara region. And, no, it still has to do with Cossacks, it’s they, though the Yaitsky, Orenburg Cossacks drowned this stupid creature, when he abandoned the army, which was broken because of his stupidity, tried to escape. But butterfly was born in Saratov in the family of a railwayman. Those. or take off the cross, or put on your underpants, oh, change your avatar or change your name wassat
              1. Don
                Don April 2 2018 18: 20
                +3
                I have to disappoint you. Chapaev is my fellow countryman, and therefore put his photo. And Donskoy, because I have such a surname, and I don’t have a relationship with the Cossacks, all these are your ill conjectures.
                Quote: hrych
                And, no, it still has to do with Cossacks, it’s they, though the Yaitsky, Orenburg Cossacks drowned this stupid creature, when he abandoned the army, broken because of his stupidity, tried to escape

                It’s funny when a famous civil war leader is accused of stupidity by a man who hasn’t achieved anything in this life and who suffers from schiz .. almost wrote, you understand, although I doubt it No.
                1. hrych
                  hrych April 2 2018 18: 32
                  +3
                  Quote: Donskoy
                  when the illustrious commander of the Civil War

                  Oh, this is a controversial issue, given the shameful defeat and what Frunze wanted to solve for stupidity.
                  Quote: Donskoy
                  Chapaev is my fellow countryman

                  Erzya means. No problem, we have tolerance. In my understanding, in fact, like the current assessment of the activity of this person, that this is a crook who was engaged in robbery and murder of his people. Many historians and publicists have repeatedly noted the fact that the role of Chapaev in the history of the Civil War is not adequate to his cult, which developed in the Soviet Union. And his main merit is Furmanov’s book, a kind of sloppy fiction, but then there was no other, that’s why they forced everyone to read.
                  1. Don
                    Don April 2 2018 18: 51
                    +6
                    Quote: hrych
                    Erzya means

                    Of the two of us, you're probably more erzy than me. I have never heard such a word belay
                    Quote: hrych
                    Many historians and publicists have repeatedly noted the fact that the role of Chapaev in the history of the Civil War is not adequate to his cult, which developed in the Soviet Union.

                    All troubles come from ignorance, lack or lack of knowledge. Come to us, get acquainted with his museum, look at the house in which he was born, study his biography.
                    And yes, such a huge monument stands to the legendary divisional commander in Chapaev’s square
                    1. hrych
                      hrych April 2 2018 19: 15
                      +3
                      A very deceitful monument, again based on the film and soon to Babochkin. laughing Chapaev for your information did not ride horses. In the First World War he served in ... infantry laughing Had a wounded hip and ... jumping just had no opportunity and desire laughing Naturally changed the oath and deserted, and becoming a red cone, he drove around in cars. At first, he had an American “Stever” and at first he liked it, but seemed shaky (a rider then). He was replaced by a bright red chic "Packard", which, of course, was very glamorous, but it was poorly suited for military operations in the conditions of the steppe. Therefore, two Chapaevs were always on duty under Chapaev. If not, then there is a quote, as he raged, “Comrade Khvesin! I will complain about you to the CEC! You give me an order and demand that it be fulfilled, but I cannot walk on all fronts, I cannot ride on horseback. I demand to immediately send for the division and for the cause of the revolution one motorcycle with a sidecar, 2 cars, 4 trucks for the supply of supplies! ” So, if Chapaev participated in horse racing, but rode on it ... Anka wassat
                      1. Shurik70
                        Shurik70 April 2 2018 20: 10
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        village to demolish nafik, resettle residents, pre-discharge (for prevention), gut cattle and eat wassat

                        She's on fire !!! And it stinks of kerosene.
              2. zoolu350
                zoolu350 April 3 2018 04: 46
                +1
                Chapaev is not a Cossack, but the commander of the Red Army, of whatever nationality he does not matter (even a Martian), Chapaev commanded a division, not an army, only the headquarters, and not the main forces of the division, were defeated by the whites.
        2. pvv113
          pvv113 April 2 2018 19: 28
          +3
          Fuel production did not go to empty tanks, but to ensure restrictions on the landing mass. With a normal landing mass (78 kg), the fuel weight was about 000 kg. The maximum landing weight of the aircraft is 9000 tons, the maximum permissible is 88 tons. To correctly determine the optimal fuel balance, an engineering-navigational calculation (ISR) was performed. Fuel production in the area of ​​the aerodrome was carried out either in the case of an error in the radar survey, or in the event of a failure of one of the systems in which the route is impossible or associated with risk.
        3. Flyer_64
          Flyer_64 April 2 2018 19: 45
          +3
          And in flight, according to the instructions, it is necessary to take with a margin, so that there is always excess fuel left. If not very competent do not carry heresy.
          If not very competent do not carry heresy. Fuel drain is intended primarily for emergency landing with a failed engine to reduce weight to a safe landing. For each departure, the fuel necessary to complete the flight mission is always loaded. Full refueling only when flying to the maximum radius. Kerosene in the well is rather from another opera. In the Union, pipelines from military piping kits that were easily damaged were laid from the fuel unloading point to the fuel and lubricants of the airfield. leaks even breaks formed. It was from such defects that kerosene streams and wells appeared. But not as from the discharge of kerosene in the air.
        4. romandostalo
          romandostalo April 2 2018 23: 41
          +3
          In Soviet times, he served near Poltava, often saw the TU-22

          Please do not confuse, TU-22 and TU-22M are two completely different cars. It did not agree then the leadership on the development of a new aircraft and it was disguised as a reconstruction. And it was high time for the fuel rod rods to be put back in place, there was nothing to support the staff!
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 2 2018 12: 37
    +12
    It seems that Lebed’s younger brother is following in his footsteps. I was always surprised at the backlog that was invested in these machines ...
    1. dauria
      dauria April 2 2018 13: 41
      +4
      I was always surprised at the backlog that was invested in these machines ...


      There was no war for a long time. This is where the longevity of all cars comes from. (Don’t think it makes me sad belay ) A real mess at once can cross out both old and new cars and ideas.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS April 2 2018 13: 43
        +6
        Quote: dauria
        This is where the longevity of all cars comes from.

        I’m talking about the modernization resource and about those solutions when creating these machines, which allowed the TU-160 and TU-22 to remain relevant in the 21st century.
        1. okko077
          okko077 April 2 2018 20: 05
          +3
          And how many are these cars written off? Where to make their modernization potential? All this has to be done .... The rotary console, or rather its rotary assembly, is a very weak part of these aircraft! The wing volume is misused, and there’s no need to talk about the integral load-bearing properties of the fuselage.! By the way, these properties allow not using swivel consoles on new forms .....
          In short, the glider is outdated a long time ago, but from hopelessness it is necessary to operate not a new, but a modernized plane .... An enforced measure, there is no breakthrough ....
          1. romandostalo
            romandostalo April 2 2018 23: 46
            0
            In short, the glider is outdated

            Of course, everything is outdated and we urgently need to give up .... Then the staff at the time included in the START treaty a requirement to dismantle the fuel receiver rods on the TU-22M3 .............
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 2 2018 16: 55
        +4
        Quote: dauria
        I was always surprised at the backlog that was invested in these machines ...


        There was no war for a long time. This is where the longevity of all cars comes from. (Don’t think it makes me sad belay ) A real mess at once can cross out both old and new cars and ideas.

        The B-52 will be older. And how many wars he fought and did not count.
  3. svp67
    svp67 April 2 2018 12: 37
    +15
    Tu-22M will receive a new version
    In the M3 version it was a "fire plane" ...

    I really hope that the new version will be MUCH better, for fear of the enemies and the Glory of Russia.
    And it’s wonderful that they are returning refueling rods to him.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 April 2 2018 12: 43
      0
      Quote: svp67
      In the M3 version, it was a "fire plane"

      and this is how? ... I really do not understand ... explain? .... plizz ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 2 2018 12: 53
        +5
        Quote: Tiksi-3
        and this is how? ... I really do not understand ... explain? .... plizz ...

        Free translation of "Backfire"
        1. Orkraider
          Orkraider April 2 2018 13: 08
          +4
          Unfortunately, there is no translation of the article in the journal Aéronautique Militaire. There is no primary source, all refer to the index journal and article, and there are dumb ...
          Alas, this is a hoax.
          Funny blunders in the text hint at this, and specifically, this phrase: in addition, the possibility of using it comforter fuel tanks on top of a glider. This is the hint bmpd)))
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I April 2 2018 13: 33
            +3
            Quote: Orkraider
            Alas, this is a hoax.

            And I "formed" such an impression after reading ...! I even thought: April Fools "burp"? They stick out some absurdities!
            The state armament program (GPV-2027) included a reconstruction program in a modified form for the serial production of Tu-22M long-range bombers;
            Was not officially Tu-22M .... "distant bomber"!
            In Tupolev PJSC, the Tu-22M radical modernization project is designated as the “345 Product” (also uses the “45-30” index), in connection with which the aircraft can receive the official index // Tu-345 // (the code “145” had when developing the original Tu-22M aircraft, the “245” code was used in the 1990 years to create the previous modified version remaining on paper with the Tu-22М5 index
            And on fig-Tu-345? After all, there was a message about the planned modernization of the Tu-22М3 .... the modernized bomber should go into operation under the name Tu-22М3М! As part of this upgrade, the crew can be reduced to 2's, and the engines replaced ... etc., etc. ! And the Tu-345 is a "fever" of the author ..... you need to hang out on time! wink drinks
            1. hrych
              hrych April 2 2018 17: 03
              +3
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Tu-22M3 .... the upgraded bomber should go into operation under the name Tu-22M3M!

              This modernization is underway now and concerns the new avionics equipment, i.e. avionics, sighting and navigation systems. And here we are talking about changing the lineup, i.e. even though the glider remains unchanged, but with a reduction in crew members, their workspace and life support systems will go to increase fuel reserves, install other systems, etc.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I April 3 2018 00: 44
                +2
                Quote: hrych
                it talks about changing the lineup, i.e. even though the glider remains unchanged, but with a reduction in crew members, their workspace and life support systems will go to increase fuel reserves, install other systems, etc.

                Well ... In this case, I do not mind making a mistake! hi
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            2. AUL
              AUL April 2 2018 20: 06
              +2
              Yes, it looks like a fake. Even the fact that they say that equipment for refueling in the air will be installed on a regular basis (under the WWS agreement they removed this equipment at one time) suggests that this is nonsense. Or zhurnalyuga completely lied.
              1. 1c-inform-city
                1c-inform-city April 3 2018 03: 01
                0
                This agreement has terminated.
          2. Alex777
            Alex777 April 2 2018 13: 38
            0
            Yeah ... Maybe you're right. It's a pity. hi
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 2 2018 14: 16
              +1
              Quote: Alex777
              It's a pity.

              And why such pessimism at once? wink Well, there will be no Tu-345 ..... but there will be a Tu-22М3М! But the rest can be on the "topic" (in Tu-22М3М ...)!
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 2 2018 13: 04
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      the new version will be MUCH better, for fear of enemies and for the defense of Russia.

      Sergey, welcome! hi
      Military materials give a somewhat expanded info on the 345 product:
      The “Product 345” or “45-30” is being created as part of the Magnitka research project taking into account the experience of upgrading aircraft to the level of Tu-22М3М (it is planned to build 36 units under the new GPV) ... Tu-345 will have a Tu-22М3 glider , NK-25 engines will be replaced by the NK-32 02 series (traction - approximately 25 tons, but more economical and durable). Their release is currently being adjusted at PJSC "Kuznetsov" in Samara for the Tu-160. The crew of the Tu-345 will consist of 2 people. instead of the current 4's. Due to the installation of a removable refueling rod, the presence of fuel tanks placed on top of the airframe, and more economical power plants, the D flight will increase from 6,8 thousand km from Tu-22М3 to 9 - 10 thousand Tu-345 will carry bombs and KR - ( X-55 / X-555, X-101 / X-102, X-32 and promising - "Dagger", GZUR and X-50). He will also be able to carry SBP. To create prototypes unfinished Tu-22М3 will be used. The first Tu-345 created on their basis can take off already in the 2021 year. Serial production of machines can be deployed in the 2026-27 year. The production capacity will be 3-4 units. in year.
      1. Shura Sailors
        Shura Sailors April 2 2018 13: 11
        +2
        For Europe and surrounding countries, that’s it. Yes, and for naval aviation (in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet) will not be superfluous. I envy white envy repeat
        1. Bongo
          Bongo April 2 2018 17: 09
          +2
          Quote: Shura of the sailors
          Yes, and for naval aviation (on the Federation Council and Pacific Fleet) will not be superfluous.

          Perhaps you do not know, but the MPA is eliminated in 2011 year.
    3. Bongo
      Bongo April 2 2018 15: 10
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      In the M3 version it was a "fire plane" ...

      There was ... but the X-22 in the arsenal of the Tu-22М3 is probably no longer. No. And whether X-32 will be brought to the series is not known. request
      1. Rushnairfors
        Rushnairfors April 2 2018 17: 20
        +7
        X22 is gone ??? From this news! The peasants must urgently call, otherwise we have scheduled launches for April at the fraternal regiment, at least tell them what they are going to shoot no longer, why do you write frank bullshit? Can you mean x15?
        1. Bongo
          Bongo April 3 2018 02: 27
          +1
          Quote: Rushnairfors
          H22 is gone ??? From this news!

          Well, then things are even worse than I thought. Communicated with the technical staff that served this rocket ... wassat In addition, the interference immunity of the GOS, even of the latest X-22 modifications, clearly does not meet modern requirements. I do not know if you are familiar with the “ancient”, but a couple of years ago he wrote that the X-22 was being decommissioned. Based on this, I believed that there were no such missiles in service. Too they are problems, and efficiency leaves much to be desired.
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 2 2018 15: 10
      +1
      Only now, instead of X 45 missiles, the Dagger will carry four missiles.
      1. Rushnairfors
        Rushnairfors April 2 2018 17: 20
        +3
        Oh, and x45 has appeared. And what is this miracle rocket?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 2 2018 18: 07
          0
          70s development
          1. Rushnairfors
            Rushnairfors April 2 2018 18: 12
            +2
            For tu22m3 specifically?
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              1. Rushnairfors
                Rushnairfors April 2 2018 18: 25
                +2
                And I didn’t even think. I really don’t know what kind of rocket it is, especially from the 70s. Then x22 was the crown of creation, given the trend (x22- x32) I thought it was some kind of know-how
                1. sivuch
                  sivuch April 2 2018 23: 04
                  +2
                  strange, the comment was deleted, and to me it seemed quite innocent. X-45 designed for 100s. 4.5 tons, 500 kg warheads, 600 km range, 7000 km / h - in short, the swing was still the same. As far as one can judge, it did not even reach the throwing ones.
    5. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 2 2018 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      And it’s wonderful that they are returning refueling rods to him.

      Also drew attention to this. Well this is how much yelling from vzrazhin will be, more than from Tukhin engines on take-off
    6. Iline
      Iline April 2 2018 18: 24
      0
      Quote: svp67
      And it’s wonderful that they are returning refueling rods to him.

      These rods can even put three on the plane. Only in the Russian Federation there is only one - the only regiment of aircraft - refueling vessels in Diaghilevo with enough IL-78 planes that have already worked out. What do you think: this amount is enough in case of serious work to ensure the activities of only strategic aviation (long-range and front-line aviation are not taken into account)?
      But so far no decisions have been made to increase the number of these aircraft. In Ulyanovsk, newer tankers are being tested, but they will go to replace junk. In Voronezh, they want to adapt a couple of abandoned IL-96 tanks for tankers, but this does not solve the problem.
      When I was in the United States at one of the SAC airbases, I saw it with my own eyes. that for one regiment in our concept of strategists there are two regiments of tankers.
      And communicating with American and English pilots, I found out that all these literal translations from the English name of the aircraft are incorrect. It’s more correct to call the Thunderer. And this name is really more appropriate in meaning.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 2 2018 18: 45
        0
        Quote: Iline
        Only in the Russian Federation there is only one - the only regiment of aircraft - refueling vessels in Diaghilevo on already sufficiently used IL-78 aircraft.

        I hope that by the time these modernized airplanes appear, the "tanks" Il-78M-90A will appear in the right quantity and that there will be a "tank" on the basis of the average Il-276
    7. romandostalo
      romandostalo April 2 2018 23: 47
      0
      Well, according to the NATO classification, he passed as Backfire!
  4. Ankipelgygyrgyn
    Ankipelgygyrgyn April 2 2018 12: 40
    +1
    Interestingly, "Dagger" he can wear?
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 2 2018 12: 43
      +1
      Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn
      Interestingly, "Dagger" he can wear?

      So I understand the whole set.
    2. Scoun
      Scoun April 2 2018 12: 47
      +5
      Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn
      Interestingly, "Dagger" he can wear?

      A little bit to think about?
      The interceptor could and the long-range type scorer falter?
      Imha.
      In the end, everything will depend on the tasks that he will solve.
      1. Ankipelgygyrgyn
        Ankipelgygyrgyn April 2 2018 12: 49
        +2
        It will be able to raise it, without question, but there, after all, when starting up, a slow speed is needed, as I understand it ...
    3. san4es
      san4es April 2 2018 12: 57
      +3
      Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn
      Interestingly, "Dagger" he can wear?

      hi ... X-32 was able to:

      X-32/9-A-2362
      TTX missiles:
      Length - 11,65 m
      Wingspan - 3 m
      Height:
      - with folded keel - 1,81 m
      The diameter of the fuselage - 0.92 m
      Weight - 5780 kg
      Range:
      - 600-1000 km
      - 800-1000 km
      Maximum speed:
      - approx. 4000 km / h
      - 5400 km / h
      Starting height - 1000-13000 m
      Flight altitude - up to 40 km soldier
    4. Alex777
      Alex777 April 2 2018 13: 45
      +2
      If he’s not an April Fool’s joke, then - yes, “Dagger” can. And most likely not one. bully
    5. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 April 2 2018 16: 09
      0
      Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn
      Interestingly, "Dagger" he can wear?

      And a dagger, and a saber, and a broadsword, even sales of a might and a scimitar. smile But seriously, I think the maximum arsenal will be provided.
  5. Runoway
    Runoway April 2 2018 12: 41
    0
    It is high time! Especially based on new missiles and new realities
  6. san4es
    san4es April 2 2018 12: 43
    +4
    hi Currently, the Kazan Aviation Plant has at least four unfinished canned glider Tu-22M3
    Nov 2014 year soldier
  7. mark1
    mark1 April 2 2018 12: 43
    +2
    Modernization of the existing Tu-22M3 is normal, we have a lot of them, so upgrade and upgrade, everything is logical, but mass production ... ??? This is bullshit.
    Then it’s more logical than the Tu-160 "light" reduced and with two engines, although this is doubtful.
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz April 2 2018 13: 13
      +1
      What are you talking about? Serial production 22x is nonsense in your opinion, but a kind of 160th light? It’s generally necessary to create another plane. Will they reduce with a magic wand? Double nonsense.
      1. mark1
        mark1 April 2 2018 14: 31
        +2
        To recreate the production of an ideological aircraft of the late 60s is not nonsense - it is stupidity, especially since the production line (equipment) is most likely repaired (or one XP is lost) and Tu160 M2 and light can be riveted at least on one line this would not be necessary, we have 100 pieces of Tu22M3 in storage - let them upgrade to health!
        Quote: Hagalaz
        It’s generally necessary to create another plane. Will they reduce with a magic wand?
        1. mark1
          mark1 April 2 2018 14: 38
          +4
          I do not like the Tu160 "light", you can make the Su-34 "big" or you can not do it ...
          Do not trust anyone in April
        2. user
          user April 2 2018 17: 08
          0
          To recreate the production of an aircraft of the ideology of the late 60s is not nonsense - this is stupidity


          This is from a lack of finance, and 100 pieces is such a returnable stock - UH. Calculate how much is 100 aircraft of this class, and how many years to produce them. Thanks to the USSR.

          And the return of the bar is generally a transition to another level in range.
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 2 2018 17: 10
        0
        Quote: Hagalaz
        What are you talking about? Serial production 22x is nonsense in your opinion, but a kind of 160th light? It’s generally necessary to create another plane. Will they reduce with a magic wand? Double nonsense.

        Lighter than lung. Zoom out in half in Photoshop and rivet hundreds on a 3D printer. We have a dime a dozen specialists in such technologies.
        At the same time, it will be possible to reduce the Sarmat by 4 times in a similar way (the mass will decrease by 64 times) and suspend it as many as 4 pieces under the mini-ala-Tu-22M3.
        1. mark1
          mark1 April 2 2018 18: 57
          +1
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          Lighter than lung. Zoom out in half in Photoshop and rivet hundreds on a 3D printer. We have a dime a dozen specialists in such technologies.

          No, of course - we will recreate the lost line with the technology of the 60s, digitize the old project (now it is accepted and this is correct but tantamount to developing a new one) and we will rivet the old backfire to fear the enemies. Maybe the Americans, too, will pick up our initiative and take it, and b-B-70, so there will be fun!
  8. askort154
    askort154 April 2 2018 12: 44
    +3
    A good answer is to restore the refueling bar. After all, they were removed at the "request" of the United States. And it’s very good that there will be retractable ones.
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz April 2 2018 13: 17
      0
      Yes, there would be refueling, it was possible to carry more to Syria.
  9. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 2 2018 12: 47
    +4
    Glider Tu-22M3 + new engines _ new avionics + new KR + refueling rod - this is a new lightweight strategic bomber of the Russian Federation = horror for our English-speaking "friends".
  10. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 April 2 2018 12: 47
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    "345" will have a crew of two people and will be equipped with a retractable bar for refueling in the air.

    The time spent in the air will increase, but the load on the crew of two people, too. The right one will be a pilot, an operator, and a navigator.
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR April 2 2018 15: 56
      0
      With the new avionics this is not so difficult.
  11. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 2 2018 12: 50
    +1
    Do it right. The development of PAK DA will eat a huge amount of resources, above all, time, and now we need not only to bring our armed forces to a level at which even the most expensive and closest "partner" does not think to fight with us or even set a mosque, but also do it as soon as possible. For the same reason, RTOs with Caliber are better than aircraft carriers.
    1. Topotun
      Topotun April 2 2018 16: 25
      +2
      Judging by the situation around Russia, we may not have time to put into service and start mass production of PAK DA. And so there will be something to rely on, begin the "peacekeeping" operation against Russia of our "partners" ....
  12. Shadow shooter
    Shadow shooter April 2 2018 12: 50
    0
    Our videoconferencing requires urgent dagger wink
  13. soul
    soul April 2 2018 12: 54
    0
    Quote: askort154
    A good answer is to restore the refueling bar.

    There are doubts about the bar, because the plane in this case falls into START-3 (800 carriers) If the agreement is not prolonged, then yes.
    1. askort154
      askort154 April 2 2018 13: 10
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      alma ....If the agreement is not prolonged, then yes.

      The US President officially announced the start of an arms race, approving a military budget of 700 mrd. Therefore, all previous treaties will most likely be buried with recriminations. The boom will be retractable, visual inspection is not possible. And let them control them, as it was in the 90s, now they no longer shine.
    2. URAL72
      URAL72 April 2 2018 13: 25
      +1
      Misses. According to START 3, one aircraft is considered to be the carrier of one (!) Warhead. The planes themselves do not consider it - they are limited by the Kyrgyz Republic to 800 units. There are not so many cars, and the bar will not be put on everything, but so that you don’t go beyond the restrictions. Modernization is needed like air, gliders need to be completed from the backlog, but to deploy a series, this is the limit of stupidity. The car is voracious, requires a large runway, it is easier to make a much easier drone for two daggers, stealth, a programmable route. This is not a fighter, went to the point, launched missiles to the maximum, hello missile defense in Alaska, hello radars in Iceland, the Czech Republic, small Britain, you are welcome to upgrade the Tu-16 to meet this rarity!
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 2 2018 14: 13
        +2
        Quote: URAL72
        Misses. According to START 3, one aircraft is considered to be the carrier of one (!) Warhead. The planes themselves do not consider it - they are limited by the Kyrgyz Republic to 800 units.

        EMNIP, in START-3, they consider just airplanes: the Agreement limits not only the number of UBFs, but also the number of strategic carriers that are considered to be ICBMs, SLBMs and strategists (no more than 700 deployed, no more than 800 in total).
        That is, as soon as the Tu-22M3 receives a refueling bar, it begins to be taken into account in these 700/800 carriers, along with the Tu-160 and Tu-95. Because since the time of the OSV-2 Treaty, the condition for the Tu-22 / M / M2 / M3 not to be considered as a strategist is the lack of the possibility of their refueling in the air.
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin April 2 2018 17: 12
      0
      Quote: alma
      Quote: askort154
      A good answer is to restore the refueling bar.

      There are doubts about the bar, because the plane in this case falls into START-3 (800 carriers) If the agreement is not prolonged, then yes.

      This agreement is not formally valid.
  14. nnz226
    nnz226 April 2 2018 12: 54
    +2
    That's about the air refueling system - this is true! And then you were led in due time to the “requests” of the Merino, and removed them, reducing the combat potential of beautiful airplanes ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 2 2018 14: 16
      +2
      Quote: nnz226
      That's about the air refueling system - this is true! And then you were led in due time to the “requests” of the Merino, and removed them, reducing the combat potential of beautiful airplanes ...

      What does the request have to do with it? The Americans in the 70s explicitly stated that if refueling systems were left on the Tu-22, then in the OSV-2 Agreement they would need to be taken into account together with the Tu-95 as strategists. And then the USSR quota for carriers would be exceeded, and according to the Treaty would have to cut Tu-22 or Tu-95.
  15. Orkraider
    Orkraider April 2 2018 12: 56
    +2
    Friends, unfortunately, the news from the April 1 section. Launched on bmpd ...
    1. alekc75
      alekc75 April 2 2018 13: 04
      +1
      they’re getting ready at the factory - so don’t talk nonsense
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider April 2 2018 13: 11
        +3
        Find the source of the news and see its date.
        Next, try to find a French article in a non-existent magazine :)
        The plant actually carry out modernization of combat aircraft.
        The production of new ones is not.
  16. shuravi
    shuravi April 2 2018 13: 01
    0
    Vozdvizhenka airfield. Former airfield.

    1. Bongo
      Bongo April 2 2018 15: 13
      +3
      Quote: shuravi
      Vozdvizhenka airfield. Former airfield.

      Sorry, even though we are with you and in contra, I watched this picture in 2012 year. In Vozdvizhenka, now only the aviation commandant's office, there are no planes. Those that could not overtake the Deer airbase, all was divided into metal.
      1. Rushnairfors
        Rushnairfors April 2 2018 17: 30
        +2
        They were not driven to Deer, this is the first, and the second there, besides the commandant’s office, is still located at the ARZ, it is repairing su24,25,27. True, after the dispersal of the regiment, the factory workers have a tight time with maintenance, but so far they seem to cope
        1. Bongo
          Bongo April 3 2018 02: 00
          0
          Quote: Rushnairfors
          They are not overtaken in the Deer, this is the first

          In the end, they were still in the "storage" in the Deer. The aircraft repair plant is more dead than alive.
      2. shuravi
        shuravi April 2 2018 17: 30
        +2
        Quote: Bongo

        Sorry, even though we are with you and in contra, I watched this picture in 2012 year. In Vozdvizhenka, now only the aviation commandant's office, there are no planes. Those that could not overtake the Deer airbase, all was divided into metal.


        I know it. That everything has already been cut. However, questions remain. After all, this is not a betrayal.
        1. Rushnairfors
          Rushnairfors April 2 2018 17: 57
          +2
          Shuravi, and what do you have to do with Vozdvizhenka if not a secret? It’s just that I got there after school, I flew there for almost 4 of the year, the first regiment is the most dear, you know yourself, what if there are common acquaintances, you never mind ......
          1. shuravi
            shuravi April 2 2018 19: 40
            +1
            Quote: Rushnairfors
            Shuravi, and what do you have to do with Vozdvizhenka if not a secret? It’s just that I got there after school, I flew there for almost 4 of the year, the first regiment is the most dear, you know yourself, what if there are common acquaintances, you never mind ......


            No I do not have. But forgive me, it’s painful for any aviator to watch when such handsome men who didn’t fly off a resource just like that under marauding and cutting.
            I often look at these photos:


            Somewhere among them should be the one that gave me a ticket to life.
            But at least they honestly served their term.
  17. Alberr
    Alberr April 2 2018 14: 27
    +1
    Someone else would clearly explain why the project of subsonic PAK YES is needed in the presence of Bears, Swans and Tu22, what niche it will occupy, Su34 is lower, only rockets are higher
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 2 2018 20: 40
      0
      "Why do we need a subsonic PAK DA project." I understood this - for the complex, an air launch, a carrier for cruise missiles, and other military equipment, maybe even a carrier for missile defense, with a payload of tons under 80 and a flight range of 16000 kilometers.
  18. sivuch
    sivuch April 2 2018 14: 40
    +4
    What are you guys ?! The BMPD blog reported, so to speak, on April 1 and with a link to a non-existent French magazine. Wow and comments to watch
    1. Bongo
      Bongo April 2 2018 15: 15
      +2
      Quote: sivuch
      What are you guys ?! The BMPD blog reported, so to speak, on April 1 and with a link to a non-existent French magazine. Wow and comments to watch

      Well, damn it, Igor. It is impossible so, took the people all the buzz broke. wink
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