Tu-22M will receive a new version

The program for the creation of the PAK DA was significantly shifted in terms of time and reduced in terms of funding, but by 2021 a new version of the Tu-22M could take off, follows from the adopted state armaments program for 2018-2027, the bmpd blog reports.

The state armaments program (SPV-2027) included a program for the restoration in a modified form of the mass production of Tu-22M long-range bombers; it is assumed that they should support the potential of the Russian long-range aviation for the next 20-25 years.

It is planned to resume production of aircraft at the Kazan Aviation Plant of Tupolev PJSC, which has actually become a long-range aviation division of the Russian United Aircraft Corporation (UAC). The study of the possibility of modifying the Tu-22M was started in accordance with the current SAP for 2010-2011 adopted in 2020 (R&D "Magnitogorsk").

In PJSC Tupolev, the project for a radical modernization of the Tu-22M is referred to as "Product 345" (the index "45-30" is also used), in connection with which the aircraft can receive the official index Tu-345 (the code "145" had the original aircraft during development Tu-22M, code "245" was used in the 1990s to create the previous modified version that remained on paper with the index Tu-22M5).

It is noted that when creating a new version, they will actively use the developments under the Tu-22M3M project for the modernization of Tu-22M3 combat aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces (the new SAP provides for financing the modernization of Tu-22M3M 36 combat vehicles).

The aircraft "345" should retain mainly the airframe of the Tu-22M3 bomber, but instead of the NK-25 engines it will be equipped with two NK-32 series 02 engines. equipment of new Tu-160M160 bombers.

It is known that the aircraft "345" will have a crew of two people and will be nominally equipped with a retractable rod for refueling in the air.

Supposedly, 345 will receive onboard electronic equipment similar to the upgraded Tu-160М2 aircraft.

At present, the Kazan Aviation Plant has at least four unfinished mothballed Tu-22M3 airframes, which will be used to build prototypes and pre-production samples of the restored bomber. The first prototype "345" could thus be flown as early as 2021. Serial production can be organized in Kazan from 2026-2027 at a rate of up to three or four aircraft per year.

Comments

[Don]

If PAK YES is simply too tough for us today, then everything is logical. They are resuming the production of the modernized Tu-160 with improved engines, now they will take on the Tu-22 with the same engines.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

At the Kazan Aviation Plant, the repair of the central building is already too tough. 16.03.2018/XNUMX/XNUMX parapet over the entrance to the director's entrance of the KAPO named after. Gorbunov hit the Toyota Land Cruiser of KAZ director Nikolai Savitsky.

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[Shurik70]

In Soviet times, he served near Poltava, often saw TU-22s, they constantly flew there. And they had a major drawback - they could only land with empty tanks. And in flight, according to the instructions, it is supposed to be taken with a margin, so there was always excess fuel left. And now the excess fuel in front of the airfield was poured into the air. There was a village there; instead of water, high-purity kerosene was scooped from a local well.
Interestingly, did the TU-22M correct this defect?

[hrych]

Quote: Donskoy

If PAK YES is simply too tough for us today

Soon some stupid Internet hamsters will get in the teeth By the way, it’s not a joke, the law is being prepared and that’s right, you need to know the obvious and potential traitors.

Quote: Shurik70

There was a village there; instead of water, high-purity kerosene was scooped from a local well.

When the existence of a state and an ethnic group is at stake, the life of each individual, village, etc. does not matter. In general, the Tu22M is turning into a strategic bomber, taking into account in-flight refueling, an increase in fuel capacity when changing the layout, and new strategic air-to-surface missiles. The best aircraft of mankind in the form of the Tu-160, Tu-22M3 and MiG-31, which have reached the limit of jet aviation, therefore their modernization and, moreover, the resumption of production is one of the best news in VO and is invaluable in the upcoming dominance of the RF Armed Forces on the Planet. And demolish the village with nafik, relocate the inhabitants, preliminarily regurgitate (for prevention), gut the cattle and eat

[Don]

Quote: hrych

The best aircraft of mankind in the form of the Tu-160, Tu-22M3 and MiG-31, which have reached the limit of jet aviation, therefore their modernization and, moreover, the resumption of production is one of the best news in VO and is invaluable in the upcoming dominance of the RF Armed Forces on the Planet wassat

You still haven't told me that you smoke? I don’t know what you smoke, but the symptoms are exactly the same as those of stoned crests

[hrych]

It’s just that there’s great positive news about the plane, but a blogger again poked around and anointed This blogger with Babochkin's avatar as Chapaev which has nothing to do with the Don and the Cossacks. Chapaev was born in the village of Budaika, Cheboksary district, Kazan province, in a peasant family. His father is Erzya (an ethnic group of Mordovians), and his mother is a Chuvash. Fought territorially in Tataria, Bashkiria, Samara region. And, no, it still has something to do with the Cossacks, it was they, though the Yaik, Orenburg Cossacks, who drowned this stupid creature when he, leaving the army defeated because of his stupidity, tried to escape. Babochkin was born in Saratov in the family of a railway worker. Those. or take off the cross, or put on your underpants, oh, change your avatar or change your name

[Don]

Forced to disappoint you. Chapaev is my countryman, that's why I put his photo. And Donskoy, because I have such a surname, and I have nothing to do with the Cossacks, all these are your sick speculations.

Quote: hrych

And, no, it still has something to do with the Cossacks, it’s they, though the Yaik, Orenburg Cossacks drowned this stupid creature when he, leaving the army defeated because of his stupidity, tried to escape

It's funny when a famous military leader of the Civil War is accused of stupidity by a person who has not achieved anything in this life and suffers from shiz .., I almost wrote, well, you understand, although I doubt

[hrych]

Quote: Donskoy

when the illustrious commander of the Civil War

Oh, this is a controversial issue, given the shameful defeat and what Frunze wanted to solve for stupidity.

Quote: Donskoy

Chapaev is my countryman

Erzya means. No problem, we have tolerance. In my understanding, in fact, like the current assessment of the activities of this person, that this is a rogue who was engaged in robbery and murder of his people. Many historians and publicists have repeatedly noted the fact that Chapaev's role in the history of the Civil War is not adequate to his cult that has developed in the Soviet Union. And his main merit is Furmanov's book, a kind of slop reading, but then there was no other, so everyone was forced to read.

[Don]

Quote: hrych

Erzya means

Of the two of us, you are probably more Erzya than I am. I have never heard such a word

Quote: hrych

Many historians and publicists have repeatedly noted the fact that the role of Chapaev in the history of the Civil War is not adequate to his cult, which developed in the Soviet Union.

All troubles come from ignorance, lack or lack of knowledge. Come to us, get acquainted with his museum, look at the house in which he was born, study his biography.
And yes, such a huge monument stands to the legendary commander in Chapaev Square

[hrych]

A very false monument, again based on the film and rather Babochkin. Chapaev, for your information, did not ride horses. In World War I, he served in ... infantry He had a wounded thigh and ... he simply did not have the opportunity and desire to jump Naturally, he changed his oath and deserted, and having become a bump with the Reds, he drove around in cars. At first he had an American "Stever" and at first the division commander liked it, but it seemed shaky (to the rider then). It was replaced by a bright red chic Packard, which, of course, was very glamorous, but it was poorly suited for military operations in the steppe. Therefore, under Chapaev, two Fords were always on duty. If not, then there is a quote, as the division commander raged: “Comrade Khvesin! I will complain about you to the CEC! You give me an order and demand that I carry it out, but I can’t walk along the entire front, it’s impossible for me to ride. I demand to immediately send for the division and for the cause of the revolution one motorcycle with a sidecar, 2 cars, 4 trucks for supplying supplies! So, if Chapaev participated in the races, but rode him ... Anka

[Shurik70]

Quote: hrych

demolish the village with nafik, relocate the inhabitants, preliminarily regurgitate (for prevention), gut the cattle and eat

She's on fire!!! And it stinks of kerosene.

[zoolu350]

Chapaev is not a Cossack, but the commander of the Red Army, it doesn’t matter what nationality he is (even a Martian), Chapaev commanded a division, not an army, only the headquarters, and not the main forces of the division, were defeated by whites.

[pvv113]

The development of fuel did not go to empty tanks, but to ensure restrictions on landing weight. With a normal landing weight (78 kg), the fuel weight was about 000 kg. The maximum landing weight of the aircraft is 9000 tons, the maximum allowable weight is 88 tons. To correctly determine the optimal fuel balance, an engineering navigational calculation (ISHR) was performed. Fuel depletion in the aerodrome area was carried out either in case of an error in the ISR, or in the event of a failure of one of the systems, in which the route was impossible or associated with a risk.

[Flyer_64]

And in flight, according to the instructions, it is necessary to take with a margin, so that there is always excess fuel left. If not very competent do not carry heresy.

If you are not very competent, do not carry heresy. The fuel drain is intended primarily for emergency landing with a failed engine to reduce weight to a safe landing. For each flight, the fuel necessary to complete the flight mission is always loaded. Full refueling only when flying to the maximum radius. Kerosene in the well is rather from another opera. In the Union, from the fuel unloading point to the fuel and lubricants airfield, pipelines were laid from military pipeline sets that were easily damaged. there were leaks, even breaks. It was from such defects that kerosene streams and wells appeared. But not like from dumping kerosene in the air.

[romandostalo]

During Soviet times, he served near Poltava, often saw the TU-22

Please do not confuse, TU-22 and TU-22M are two completely different machines. The management for the development of a new aircraft did not agree then, and it was disguised as a reconstruction. And it was high time to return the fuel receiver rods to their place, there is nothing to amuse the staff!

[NEXUS]

It seems that Lebed’s younger brother is following in his footsteps. I was always surprised at the backlog that was invested in these machines ...

[dauria]

I was always surprised at the backlog that was invested in these machines ...

There was no war for a long time. This is where the longevity of all cars comes from. (Don’t think it makes me sad ) A real mess at once can cross out both old and newest cars and ideas.

[NEXUS]

Quote: dauria

This is where the longevity of all machines comes from.

I’m talking about the modernization resource and about those solutions when creating these machines, which allowed the TU-160 and TU-22 to remain relevant in the 21st century.

[okko077]

And how many of these cars have been written off? Where is their modernization potential? All this is done by force .... The rotary console, or rather its rotary assembly, is a very weak part of these aircraft! The volume of the wing is used irrationally, and there is no need to talk about the integral load-bearing properties of the fuselage.! By the way, these properties allow not to use rotary consoles on new forms.....
In short, the glider is outdated a long time ago, but from hopelessness it is necessary to operate not a new, but a modernized plane .... An enforced measure, there is no breakthrough ....

[romandostalo]

In short, the glider is long outdated

Of course, everything is outdated and we urgently need to give up .... Then the staffers at one time included in the START treaty a requirement to dismantle the fuel receiver rods on the TU-22M3 ..............

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: dauria

I was always surprised at the backlog that was invested in these machines ...

There was no war for a long time. This is where the longevity of all cars comes from. (Don’t think it makes me sad ) A real mess at once can cross out both old and newest cars and ideas.

B-52 will be older. And in how many wars he fought and can not be counted.

[svp67]

Tu-22M will receive a new version

In the M3 version, it was a "fire plane" ...

I really hope that the new version will be SIGNIFICANTLY better, to the fear of enemies and to the Glory of Russia.
And it's great that the refueling booms are being returned to him.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: svp67

In the M3 version, it was a "plane-fire"

and this is how? ... I really don’t understand ... explain? .... plizzzz ....

[svp67]

Quote: Tiksi-3

and this is how? ... I really don’t understand ... explain? .... plizzzz ....

Free translation of "Backfire"

[Orkraider]

Unfortunately, there is no translation of the article in the journal Aéronautique Militaire. There is no primary source, all refer to the index journal and article, and there are dumb ...
Alas, this is a prank.
Funny blunders in the text hint at this, and specifically, this phrase: in addition, the possibility of using it comfortable fuel tanks on top of the airframe. This is a bmpd hint)))

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Orkraider

Alas, this is a prank.

And I "formed" such an impression after reading ...! I even thought: April Fools "burp"? They stick out some absurdities!
The state armament program (GPV-2027) included a reconstruction program in a modified form for the serial production of Tu-22M long-range bombers;
The Tu-22M was not officially .... a "long-range bomber"!
In PJSC Tupolev, the project for a radical modernization of the Tu-22M is designated as "Product 345" (the index "45-30" is also used), in connection with which the aircraft can receive the official index // Tu-345 // (code "145" had in the development of the original Tu-22M aircraft, the code "245" was used in the 1990s to create the previous modified version remaining on paper with the Tu-22M5 index
And what about the Tu-345? After all, there was a message about the planned modernization of the Tu-22M3 .... the modernized bomber should enter service under the name Tu-22M3M! As part of this modernization, it is possible to reduce the crew to 2, and replace the engines ... etc., etc. ! And the Tu-345 is the "fever" of the author ..... you need to get drunk on time!

[hrych]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Tu-22M3 .... the modernized bomber should enter service under the name Tu-22M3M!

This modernization is currently underway and concerns new on-board equipment, i.e. avionics, sighting and navigation systems. And here it is talking about changing the lineup, i.e. although the glider remains unchanged, but with the reduction of crew members, their working space and life support systems will be used to increase fuel supplies, install other systems, etc.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: hrych

this is about changing the lineup, i.e. although the glider remains unchanged, but with the reduction of crew members, their working space and life support systems will be used to increase fuel supplies, install other systems, etc.

Well... In this case, I don't mind being wrong!

[AUL]

Yes, it looks like a fake. The very fact that they claim that equipment for aerial refueling will be installed on a regular basis (under the SALT agreement, this equipment was removed from them at one time), suggests that this is nonsense. Or the journalist completely lied.

[1c-inform-city]

This agreement has terminated.

[Alex777]

Yeah... Maybe you're right. It's a pity.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Alex777

It's a pity.

Why such pessimism? Well, there will be no Tu-345 ..... but there will be a Tu-22М3М! But the rest can be on the "topic" (in Tu-22М3М ...)!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: svp67

the new version will be SIGNIFICANTLY better, to the fear of enemies and to protect Russia.

Sergey, welcome!
Military materials give somewhat extended information on the product "345":

"Product 345" or "45-30", created as part of the research project "Magnitogorsk", taking into account the experience of upgrading aircraft to the level of Tu-22M3M (it is planned to build 36 units according to the new SAP) ... Tu-345 will have a Tu-22M3 airframe , NK-25 engines will be replaced by NK-32 series 02 (thrust - about 25 tons, but more economical and durable). Their release is currently being established at PJSC "Kuznetsov" in Samara for the Tu-160. The Tu-345 crew will consist of 2 people. instead of the current 4. Due to the installation of a retractable refueling boom, the presence of fuel tanks placed on top of the airframe, and more economical power plants, the flight distance will increase from 6,8 thousand km for the Tu-22M3 to 9 - 10 thousand. The Tu-345 will carry bombs and missiles - - (X-55 / X-555, X-101 / X-102, X-32 and promising ones - "Dagger", GZUR and X-50). It will also be capable of carrying an SBP. Unfinished Tu-22M3 will be used to create prototypes. The first Tu-345 created on their basis can take off as early as 2021. Serial production of machines can be deployed in 2026-27. The production capacity will be 3-4 units. in year.

[Shura Sailors]

For Europe and surrounding countries, that’s it. Yes, and for naval aviation (in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet) will not be superfluous. I envy white envy

[Bongo]

Quote: shura sailors

Yes, and for naval aviation (in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet) they will not be superfluous.

You may not be aware, but the MPA was liquidated in 2011.

[Bongo]

Quote: svp67

In the M3 version, it was a "fire plane" ...

There was ... but the Kh-22 is probably no longer in the arsenal of the Tu-22M3. And whether the X-32 will be brought to the series is not known.

[Rushnairfors]

X22 is no more??? From this news! We need to urgently call the peasants, otherwise we have launches scheduled for April at the fraternal regiment, at least tell them that they are not going to shoot with anything anymore, bongos, why are you writing frank nonsense? Did you mean x15?

[Bongo]

Quote: Rushnairfors

X22 is no more??? From this news!

Well, then things are even worse than I thought. Communicated with the technical staff that served this rocket ... In addition, the noise immunity of the seeker even of the latest modifications of the X-22 clearly no longer meets modern requirements. I don’t know if you are familiar with the “ancient”, but a couple of years ago he wrote that the X-22 was being decommissioned. Based on this, I believed that there were no missiles of this type in service. Too they problems, and efficiency leaves much to be desired.

[Vadim237]

Only now, instead of X 45 missiles, it will carry four Kinzhal missiles.

[Rushnairfors]

Oh, and x45 has already appeared. And what is this miracle rocket?

[Vadim237]

Development from the 70s

[Rushnairfors]

For tu22m3 specifically?

[Rushnairfors]

And I didn't even think. I really don’t know what kind of rocket it is, especially from the 70s. Then x22 was the crown of creation, given the trend (x22-x32) I thought it was something from know-how

[sivuch]

strange, the comment was deleted, but to me it seemed quite innocent. X-45 was designed for 100s. 4.5 tons, 500 kg of warheads, 600 km range, 7000 km / h - the swing was still shorter. As far as one can judge, it didn't even reach the level of throws.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: svp67

And it's great that the refueling booms are being returned to him.

Also drew attention to this. Well this is how much yelling from vzrazhin will be, more than from Tukhin engines on take-off

[Iline]

Quote: svp67

And it's great that the refueling booms are being returned to him.

You can even put three of these rods on an airplane. Only in the Russian Federation there is one - the only regiment of aircraft - tankers in Diaghilevo on the Il-78 aircraft that have already worked out their enough. What do you think: is this amount enough in the case of serious work to ensure the activities of only strategic aviation (we do not take long-range and front-line aviation into account)?
But so far, no decisions to increase the number of these aircraft are visible. Newer tankers are being tested in Ulyanovsk, but they will replace old ones. In Voronezh, they want to adapt a couple of abandoned Il-96s for tankers, but this does not solve the problem.
When I was in the United States at one of the SAC airbases, I saw it with my own eyes. that for one regiment in our concept of strategists there are two regiments of tankers.
And while communicating with American and English pilots, I found out that all these literal translations from the English name of the aircraft are incorrect. It would be more correct to call it "Thunderer". And this name actually makes more sense.

[svp67]

Quote: Iline

Only in the Russian Federation there is only one - the only regiment of aircraft - refueling vessels in Diaghilevo on already sufficiently used IL-78 aircraft.

I hope that by the time these modernized airplanes appear, the "tanks" Il-78M-90A will appear in the right quantity and that there will be a "tank" on the basis of the average Il-276

[romandostalo]

Well, according to the NATO classification, he passed as Backfire!

[Ankipelgygyrgyn]

I wonder if he can wear the "Dagger"?

[svp67]

Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn

I wonder if he can wear the "Dagger"?

So I understand the whole set.

[Scoun]

Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn

I wonder if he can wear the "Dagger"?

How about a little thought?
The interceptor could, and the long-range scorer like falter?
Imha.
In the end, everything will depend on the tasks that he will solve.

[Ankipelgygyrgyn]

It will be able to raise it, without question, but there, after all, when starting up, a slow speed is needed, as I understand it ...

[san4es]

Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn

I wonder if he can wear the "Dagger"?

... X-32 was able to:

X-32 / 9-A-2362
TTX missiles:
Length - 11,65 m
Wingspan - 3 m
Height:
- with folded keel - 1,81 m
The diameter of the fuselage - 0.92 m
Weight - 5780 kg
Range:
- 600-1000 km
- 800-1000 km
Maximum speed:
- approx. 4000 km / h
- 5400 km / h
Starting height - 1000-13000 m
Flight altitude - up to 40 km

[Alex777]

If he is not an April Fool's joke, then yes, "Dagger" can. And most likely not alone.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Ankypelgygyrgyn

I wonder if he can wear the "Dagger"?

And a dagger, and a saber, and a broadsword, even maybe a scimitar will be nailed. But seriously, I think the maximum arsenal will be provided.

[Runoway]

It is high time! Especially based on new missiles and new realities

[san4es]

At present, at least four unfinished mothballed airframes of Tu-22M3 aircraft are located at the Kazan Aviation Plant.

Nov. 2014

[mark1]

Modernization of the existing Tu-22M3 is normal, we have a lot of them, so upgrade and upgrade, everything is logical, but mass production ... ??? This is bullshit.
Then it’s more logical than the Tu-160 "light" reduced and with two engines, although this is doubtful.

[Hagalaz]

What are you about? Serial production of 22x is nonsense in your opinion, but a certain 160th light? It is generally necessary to create a different aircraft. Magic wand will reduce? Brad doubly.

[mark1]

Recreating the production of an aircraft of the ideology of the late 60s is not nonsense - this is stupidity, especially since the production line (rigging) is most likely repaired (or one xp is lost) and the Tu160 M2 and "light" can be riveted on at least one line this would not be necessary, we have 100 pieces of Tu22M3 in storage - so let them modernize for health!

Quote: Hagalaz

It is generally necessary to create a different aircraft. Magic wand will reduce?

[mark1]

If you don't like the Tu160 "light", you can make the Su-34 "big" or you can not do it ...
Don't trust anyone for the whole month of April

[user]

To recreate the production of an aircraft of the ideology of the late 60s is not nonsense - this is stupidity

This is from a lack of finance, and 100 pieces is such a returnable stock - UH. Calculate how much is 100 aircraft of this class, and how many years to produce them. Thanks to the USSR.

And the return of the bar is generally a transition to another level in range.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Hagalaz

What are you about? Serial production of 22x is nonsense in your opinion, but a certain 160th light? It is generally necessary to create a different aircraft. Magic wand will reduce? Brad doubly.

Lighter than lung. Zoom out in half in Photoshop and rivet hundreds on a 3D printer. We have a dime a dozen specialists in such technologies.
At the same time, it will be possible to reduce the "Sarmat" by 4 times in a similar way (the mass will decrease by 64 times) and hang it as many as 4 pieces under the mini-ala-Tu-22M3.

[mark1]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Lighter than lung. Zoom out in half in Photoshop and rivet hundreds on a 3D printer. We have a dime a dozen specialists in such technologies.

No, of course not - we will recreate the lost line with the technologies of the 60s, we will digitize the old project (now it is accepted and this is correct, but it is tantamount to developing a new one) and we will rivet the old backfire for fear of enemies. Maybe the Americans, too, will pick up our initiative and take it and sack the B-70, that will be fun!

[askort154]

A good answer is to restore the refueling bar. After all, they were removed at the "request" of the United States. And it’s very good that there will be retractable ones.

[Hagalaz]

Yes, there would be refueling, more could be transported to Syria.

[Denis Obukhov]

Glider Tu-22M3 + new engines _ new avionics + new KR + refueling rod - this is a new lightweight strategic bomber of the Russian Federation = horror for our English-speaking "friends".

[AlexVas44]

"345" will have a crew of two people and will be equipped with a retractable bar for refueling in the air.

The time spent in the air will increase, but the load on the crew of two people, too. The right one will be a pilot, an operator, and a navigator.

[PROXOR]

With the new avionics, this is no longer so difficult.

[Denis Obukhov]

They do it right. The development of PAK DA will eat up a huge amount of resources, first of all, time, and now we need not only to bring our armed forces to a level at which even the dearest and closest "partner" will not think about fighting with us or even setting a mosek, but also do it in the shortest possible time. For the same reason, RTOs with Kalibr are better than aircraft carriers.

[Topotun]

Judging by the situation around Russia, we may not have time to adopt and start mass production of the PAK DA. And so there will be something to rely on, start a "peacekeeping" operation against Russia of our "partners" ....

[Shadow shooter]

Our HQs require urgent Daggering

[soul]

Quote: askort154

A good answer is rebuilding the refueling bar.

There are doubts about the bar, because the plane in this case falls into START-3 (800 carriers) If the agreement is not prolonged, then yes.

[askort154]

alma ....If the contract will not be extended, then yes.

The President of the United States officially announced the start of the arms race, approving a military budget of 700 billion dollars. Therefore, all previous agreements will most likely be buried with mutual accusations. The boom will be retractable, visual control is not possible. And let them control them, as it was in the 90s, now they no longer shine.

[URAL72]

Misses. According to START 3, one aircraft is considered to be the carrier of one (!) warhead. The aircraft themselves do not count - they are limited to the number of 800 units. There are not so many cars, and the barbell will not be put on everything, but so as not to go beyond the restrictions. Modernization is needed like air, gliders from the backlog need to be completed, but deploying a series is the limit of stupidity. The machine is voracious, requires a large runway, it is easier to make a much lighter drone for two daggers, stealth, a programmable route. This is not a fighter, it went to the point, launched missiles at maximum, hello missile defense in Alaska, hello radars in Iceland, the Czech Republic, petty Britain, you are welcome to the modernized Tu-16, there is no one to meet this rarity!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: URAL72

Misses. According to START 3, one aircraft is considered to be the carrier of one (!) warhead. The aircraft themselves do not count - they are limited to the number of 800 units.

EMNIP, START-3 considers just aircraft: the Treaty limits not only the number of SBCs, but also the number of strategic carriers, which are considered ICBMs, SLBMs and strategists (no more than 700 deployed, no more than 800 in total).
That is, as soon as the Tu-22M3 receives a refueling bar, it begins to be counted in these 700/800 carriers, along with the Tu-160 and Tu-95. Because since the time of the SALT-2 Treaty, the condition for not accounting for the Tu-22 / M / M2 / M3 as strategists is the inability to refuel them in the air.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: alma

Quote: askort154

A good answer is rebuilding the refueling bar.

There are doubts about the bar, because the plane in this case falls into START-3 (800 carriers) If the agreement is not prolonged, then yes.

This agreement is not formally valid.

[nnz226]

That's about the air refueling system - this is relevant! And then they were led at one time to the "requests" of the Merinos, and removed them, reducing the combat potential of excellent airplanes ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: nnz226

That's about the air refueling system - this is relevant! And then they were led at one time to the "requests" of the Merinos, and removed them, reducing the combat potential of excellent airplanes ...

What's with the requests? In the 70s, the Americans bluntly stated that if refueling systems were left on the Tu-22, then in the SALT-2 Treaty they would need to be taken into account together with the Tu-95 - as strategists. And then the USSR's quota for carriers would have been exceeded, and, according to the Treaty, it would have been necessary to cut the Tu-22 or Tu-95.

[Orkraider]

Friends, unfortunately, the news is from the April 1 section. Launched on bmpd...

[alekc75]

they are preparing at the factory - so don't talk nonsense

[Orkraider]

Find the original source of the news and see its date.
Next, try to find a French article in a non-existent magazine :)
The plant actually carries out the modernization of combat aircraft.
Production of new - no.

[shuravi]

Vozdvizhenka airfield. Former airfield.

[Bongo]

Quote: shuravi

Vozdvizhenka airfield. Former airfield.

Sorry, even though you and I are in conflict, I watched this picture in 2012. In Vozdvizhenka now there is only the aviation commandant's office, there are no planes. Those that could not be transferred to the Olenya air base were all butchered for metal.

[Rushnairfors]

They were not transferred to Olenya, this is the first, and the second there, in addition to the commandant's office, is also located ARZ, repairing su24,25,27. True, after dispersing the regiment, the factory workers have a hard time with maintenance, but so far they seem to be coping

[Bongo]

Quote: Rushnairfors

They were not driven to Olenya, this is the first

In the end, they were still in the "storage" in the Deer. The aircraft repair plant is more dead than alive.

[shuravi]

Quote: Bongo

Sorry, even though you and I are in conflict, I watched this picture in 2012. In Vozdvizhenka now there is only the aviation commandant's office, there are no planes. Those that could not be transferred to the Olenya air base were all butchered for metal.

I know it. That everything has already been cut. However, questions remain. After all, this is not a betrayal.

[Rushnairfors]

Shuravi, what do you have to do with Vozdvizhenka, if it's not a secret? It’s just that I got there after school, flew there for almost 4 years, the first regiment is the most dear, you know, what if there are common acquaintances, you never know ......

[shuravi]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Shuravi, what do you have to do with Vozdvizhenka, if it's not a secret? It’s just that I got there after school, flew there for almost 4 years, the first regiment is the most dear, you know, what if there are common acquaintances, you never know ......

No I do not have. But forgive me, it’s painful for any aviator to watch when such handsome men who didn’t fly off a resource just like that under marauding and cutting.
I often look at these photos:


Somewhere among them there must be the one who gave me a start in life.
But at least they served their time honestly.

[Alberr]

Someone else would have clearly explained why the subsonic PAK DA project is needed in the presence of Bears, Swans and Tu22, what niche it will occupy, Su34 is lower, only missiles are higher

[Vadim237]

"Why do we need a subsonic PAK DA project?" I understood this - for an air launch complex, a carrier of cruise missiles, and other military equipment, maybe even a carrier of missile defense missiles, with a combat load of tons under 80 and a flight range of 16000 kilometers.

[sivuch]

What are you guys ?! The BMPD blog reported, so to speak, on April 1 and with a link to a non-existent French magazine. Wow and comments to watch

[Bongo]

Quote: sivuch

What are you guys ?! The BMPD blog reported, so to speak, on April 1 and with a link to a non-existent French magazine. Wow and comments to watch

Well, damn it, Igor. You can’t do it like that, he took the whole buzz to the people.