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USA: Russia is restoring the tradition of "closed cities"

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The military technopolis, which was soon opened by the Russian Defense Ministry, will be a kind of return to the tradition of the Soviet "closed cities", said American expert on Russia Samuel Bendett.




“It’s still difficult to say how successful this initiative will be, as the analyst stresses. The success of the undertaking will largely depend on whether the Russian government was able to “learn the lessons” of Skolkovo, the previous large-scale technopolis project initiated to achieve a technological breakthrough, ”the expert’s article cites. RIA News.

However, the author notes, the project “has one serious advantage over similar undertakings, and it lies in the fact that its construction and development will be controlled by the Ministry of Defense”.

The creation of a military innovative technopolis in Anapa was reported in February of this year. The general management of research projects will be carried out by the head of the Kurchatov Institute, Mikhail Kovalchuk.

The company is created on the basis of the "Military Innovation Technopolis" ERA "". Research will be funded by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The focus of attention of the new technopolis will include “conducting research, analysis and certification of military and dual-use products”.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii April 2 2018 09: 59
    +4
    Breakthrough technologies must be guarded especially carefully.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 2 2018 10: 01
      +2
      Quite rightly. Yes, and in the same States there are closed territories with the corresponding regime.
      Quote: Teberii
      Breakthrough technologies must be guarded especially carefully.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat April 2 2018 10: 17
        +6
        Some cities have never opened in our country ... laughing

        Sarovo - a city, a closed administrative-territorial formation, is a municipal formation of the Nizhny Novgorod region, located in the Nizhny Novgorod region and, mainly, the Republic of Mordovia.
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 April 2 2018 10: 26
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          located in the Nizhny Novgorod region

          yes there is
          Quote: Nasr
          and mainly the Republic of Mordovia.

          belay Yes, what are you ???? where does such deep knowledge come from ??
          1. Nasrat
            Nasrat April 2 2018 10: 28
            +4
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            [
            Quote: Nasr
            and mainly the Republic of Mordovia.

            belay Yes, what are you ???? where does such deep knowledge come from ??

            Study the question more deeply ... how much the forest of Mordovia hides, you have no idea ...
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 April 2 2018 10: 31
              +1
              Quote: Nasr
              Study the question more deeply ... how much the forest of Mordovia hides, you have no idea ...

              belay but I live here and I don’t know .... what’s how lol in Sarov we have a production site and occasionally there, but I happen .....
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat April 2 2018 10: 32
                +3
                Not everyone is given to know ... maybe for the better !!! hi

                Take a look at the map ... and in Mordovia there is not a single settlement in the Sarov region ..... wink
                1. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 April 2 2018 10: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Nasr
                  Take a look at the map ...

                  think - Sarov district center of the Nizhny Novgorod region? - so? ... and how will a resident of a remote village in the area of ​​the Mordovian Nature Reserve - belonging to the Nizhny Novgorod Region be registered? fool Nizhny Novgorod region, Sarov district, the village of "Lyulino", the Republic of Mordovia ?????????
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat April 2 2018 11: 02
                    +1
                    Calm down already ... You are confident in your statement - and it’s wonderful ... Calm to the motherland .. enemies always try to find out “details” from the locals - so tell them what you prove to me! wassat
                    1. Tiksi-3
                      Tiksi-3 April 2 2018 11: 05
                      +2
                      Quote: Nasr
                      what you prove to me

                      I don’t prove it, I don’t need this ... you just re-posted Wikipedia and are happy .... but you have no idea that part of the Mordovian Reserve has long been a Nizhny Novgorod region !!!!!
                  2. Sewer krainiy
                    Sewer krainiy April 2 2018 15: 49
                    +2
                    Tiksi-3 (Dmitry) Today, 10:44 ↑ New
                    Quote: Nasr
                    Take a look at the map ...
                    think - Sarov district center of the Nizhny Novgorod region? - so? ... and how will a resident of a remote village in the area of ​​the Mordovian Nature Reserve - belonging to the Nizhny Novgorod Region be registered? fool Nizhny Novgorod region, Sarovsky district, the village "Lyulino", the Republic of Mordovia ?????????

                    His wife has a residence permit in their passport - Arkhangelsk-55 (before that, if memory serves, Moscow, K-750), and this, in fact, is New Earth. Take a look at the map ... laughing hi
                    1. Tiksi-3
                      Tiksi-3 April 2 2018 16: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Sewer Krainiy
                      His wife has a residence permit in their passport - Arkhangelsk-55 (before that, if memory serves, Moscow, K-750), and this, in fact, is New Earth. Look at the map ..

                      Do you want to argue? or troll?
                      1. Sewer krainiy
                        Sewer krainiy April 2 2018 16: 13
                        +3
                        Why argue or troll. I simply state the fact that the registration does not always correspond to the place of residence in closed cities.
                2. dauria
                  dauria April 2 2018 11: 17
                  +1
                  Take a look at the map ... and in Mordovia there is not a single settlement in the Sarov region ..


                  Wow !!! An interesting conclusion. Put you in those lands, you will understand why there are no settlements there. In our Nizhny Novgorod region, you can fornicate in the forests especially beyond the Volga for days. And there is also a Mordovian reserve. If you're lucky, hear the noise of a car or train. And so are mosquitoes and frogs ... laughing Sarov - Nizhny Novgorod without question.
                  1. Nasrat
                    Nasrat April 2 2018 11: 46
                    0
                    What if I was there? wink
            2. Romulus
              Romulus April 2 2018 10: 33
              0
              Quote: Nasr
              how much the forest of Mordovia hides,

              USU .. still the Messenger of Mordor would be hidden ... lol
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 April 2 2018 11: 46
            +6
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            Quote: Nasr
            located in the Nizhny Novgorod region

            yes there is
            Quote: Nasr
            and mainly the Republic of Mordovia.

            belay Yes, what are you ???? where does such deep knowledge come from ??

            There is such a city of Snezhinsk, aka Chelyabinsk-70, so some of its objects are in the Sverdlovsk region. Maybe this is exactly the case. wink
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 April 2 2018 12: 02
              0
              Quote: Doliva63
              Maybe this is exactly the case.

              no ... not like that ... Sarov - the district center of the Nizhny Novgorod region !!!! ... everyone who lives there has a residence permit of the Nizhny Novgorod region and according to the census - the Nizhny Novgorod region .... On Wikipedia (this is the last resort for some) it is written and the Mordovian reserve, the Republic of Mordovia .... so some people think that Sarov is half in Lower and half in Mordovia! But this is not so. The Mordovian reserve is large and its name was associated with the Republic of Mordovia, but part of this reserve is the Sarovsky district, Nizhny Novgorod region ... a small part and it, as a territorial unit, goes to the Nizhny Novgorod region under the old name !!!
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 April 2 2018 17: 02
                +4
                Horror, how everything is running ..., in the sense of confusing laughing
                1. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 April 2 2018 17: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Horror, how everything is running ..., in the sense of confusing

                  you’re already lost here wassat ... and imagine how the spies will fornicate laughing
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 April 2 2018 17: 59
                    +4
                    Alas, I saw with my own eyes the Yankee officers in the town where "what is needed" is stored. What do they fornication, they already know everything sad
        2. Scoun
          Scoun April 2 2018 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: Nasr
          Sarovo - city, closed administrative-territorial formation

          They made me a pass, but I never went, I stayed in another former closed city.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 2 2018 10: 15
      +3
      And information carriers too. And then he likes the learned people to show off erudition where it is necessary and where it is not necessary. laughing
    3. Vend
      Vend April 2 2018 10: 17
      +1
      Quote: Teberii
      Breakthrough technologies must be guarded especially carefully.

      Especially from Western "partners" laughing
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 2 2018 10: 27
        0
        in Russia restore the tradition of "closed cities"
        and the supply of the first category? what? all kinds of "buns" ...!? where to go ? wassat
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS April 2 2018 12: 31
      +1
      Quote: Teberii
      Breakthrough technologies must be guarded especially carefully.

      First of all, from people like Chubais ... otherwise, only the plumbing unit with the contents will break through there.
    5. PFT
      PFT April 2 2018 13: 23
      0
      Quote: Teberii
      Breakthrough technologies must be guarded especially carefully.

      Especially by the sea and wine cellars.
  2. 1536
    1536 April 2 2018 10: 05
    0
    An expert whose logic is completely absent. If it were a "closed city", how would, in this case, this "expert" know that there is one on the map, and what is produced there? But the fact that American spies and thieves should not be allowed in is also a fact.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 2 2018 10: 16
      0
      The Union of these cities was unmeasured and everyone knew about. So what? winked
    2. barclay
      barclay April 2 2018 10: 19
      +1
      The fact that it will be a "closed city" is not surprising. But rather, it will be just a territory with limited access for foreigners and other undesirable persons. Such territories have always been restricted for everyone.
    3. BAI
      BAI April 2 2018 10: 47
      0
      If it were a "closed city", how would, in this case, this "expert" know that there is one on the map, and what is produced there?

      Really - from foreign sources. He himself was overwhelmingly surprised when he found out about the White Paper, dedicated to the Ministry of General Engineering in the early 80s. Everything - up to the head of the department of enterprises. The security officers arranged a big round-up. And in the casting of camouflage nets on the products, when the satellite flew over, he himself took part.
  3. Pattor
    Pattor April 2 2018 10: 11
    0
    Mmm, how to get there?)
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 April 2 2018 10: 19
      +3
      and how to get there?
      With the issuance of a pass if there is an official need, or an official invitation from a relative living in this territory. Of course, at one time they did a great stupidity by opening cities and border zones. They sought one-sided openness to the point of insanity and the most offensive - to their own detriment.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V April 2 2018 12: 21
        0
        Quote: rotmistr60
        and how to get there?
        With the issuance of a pass if there is an official need, or an official invitation from a relative living in this territory. Of course, at one time they did a great stupidity by opening cities and border zones. They sought one-sided openness to the point of insanity and the most offensive - to their own detriment.

        The border zone has not disappeared, on the contrary, it has even increased. In Soviet times, it was 5 km, now it has become - 7 km. Many sections of roads constructed then now fall into the restricted area, some villages too. And the border guards have a new sport. They go to such a section of the road, put up a barrier and catch the "violators". This usually happens on weekends when people go to visit or pick mushrooms, or just relax. You will not, because of a one-time passage along a section of a road, draw up a pass.
        1. ghby
          ghby April 2 2018 12: 37
          +1
          Quote: Igor V
          And the border guards have a new sport. They go to such a section of the road, put up a barrier and catch the "violators". This usually happens on weekends when people go to visit or pick mushrooms, or just relax. You will not, because of a one-time passage along a section of a road, draw up a pass.

          We have part of the road generally in Kazakhstan belay
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 2 2018 10: 45
      +2
      In Anapa ?! Not yet closed? belay
      Quote: Pattor
      Mmm, how to get there?)
      1. Igor V
        Igor V April 2 2018 12: 07
        0
        Well, as a closed city, so immediately - Anapa. what It would be better if something was closed in the outback, where no one is going.
        1. Ace Tambourine
          Ace Tambourine April 3 2018 17: 43
          0
          A flag in everyone’s hands and Welcome to Beloretsk-16 ... if you can get there ...
          I was 17 when it started, and what is there now, no one will say ...
  4. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 April 2 2018 10: 16
    +1
    Or can this technopolis be built somewhere in Yakutsk. Or in the suburbs. Not one spy can get there. Or is the climate not the same? Well, what is better about Anapa?
    1. tank66
      tank66 April 2 2018 10: 21
      +2
      The land is more expensive there. And there are more Armenians who can master any budget rupee.
      1. Vladivostok1969
        Vladivostok1969 April 2 2018 10: 44
        0
        And the Yakuts will not suit you, they have good songs. repeat
        1. tank66
          tank66 April 2 2018 11: 44
          0
          None.The Yakuts, even their diamonds, cannot sell. The Semites know how to materialize in the headstock. Specifically, the Ashkenazi tribe. The Armenians are still worried that the Jews were given a small percentage for promotion. During Nebuchadnezzar. Construction / and roads / -et to the Akopians.
    2. Sergey39
      Sergey39 April 2 2018 10: 50
      +2
      Do warlords need to rest somewhere? Not in Yakutsk
      1. Scoun
        Scoun April 2 2018 12: 06
        +1
        Quote: Sergey39
        Do warlords need to rest somewhere? Not in Yakutsk

        Do you only think about bosses? That is, rest for the bosses is not in Yakutsk, but the work of workers in Yakutsk?
        I see many begin amphibiotropic asphyxiation.
        Amfibiotropius asfiksus is a terrible disease.
    3. Scoun
      Scoun April 2 2018 11: 50
      +1
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      Or maybe build this technopolis somewhere in Yakutsk.

      Would you like to live and work in a closed city somewhere in Yakutia and without trips to Egypt?
      Imha, even if the sun / climate is pleasing.
  5. gridasov
    gridasov April 2 2018 10: 16
    +1
    It can be added that true breakthrough technologies have not only a dual purpose - they have complex purposes.
    This is in addition to military and civilian applications, there should be a scientific research application for the expanded development of the basis for the use of such discoveries. These achievements should open up near and far perspectives and research and already use individual technologies. Therefore, theoretically, those people who should and can do this should also have the potential of geniuses. Therefore, Mikhail Kovalchuk, obviously, is worthy to lead such an organization.
    1. astepanov
      astepanov April 2 2018 10: 43
      +1
      Quote: gridasov
      This is in addition to military and civilian applications, there should be a scientific research application for the expanded development of the application base

      Respect That way to wind - "In addition to application, it should be applied in applications for further further application"
      1. gridasov
        gridasov April 2 2018 10: 53
        +1
        But this is indeed so. The discovery and invention may have specifics of its own use, for example. But the invention is of a fundamental level, for example, such as ours, in which not only the transformation mechanism itself is changed, but the mechanism of a new physical process. Which the !!!! and is the basis for the development of new types of products with a new purpose. I knew that such a reaction would be. Behind tafttology and puns is a meaning that sometimes is difficult to describe with words.
        In general, many understand what a fundamental and breakthrough invention or discovery is. Do the signs of this process understand? It is unlikely that anyone and anyone can imagine the principles of unsupported motion in an elastic atmosphere. And in general, how to use the elasticity of the medium to reduce energy consumption with increasing speed?
        1. astepanov
          astepanov April 2 2018 16: 00
          0
          Quote: gridasov
          It is unlikely that anyone and anyone can imagine the principles of unsupported motion in an elastic atmosphere.
          That's right. Not only everyone can imagine the unsupported movement. As the classic said, "A rare bird will fly without support to the middle of the Dnieper."
      2. gridasov
        gridasov April 2 2018 10: 53
        +1
        But this is indeed so. The discovery and invention may have specifics of its own use, for example. But the invention is of a fundamental level, for example, such as ours, in which not only the transformation mechanism itself is changed, but the mechanism of a new physical process. Which the !!!! and is the basis for the development of new types of products with a new purpose. I knew that such a reaction would be. Behind tafttology and puns is a meaning that sometimes is difficult to describe with words.
        In general, many understand what a fundamental and breakthrough invention or discovery is. Do the signs of this process understand? Imagine
  6. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 2 2018 10: 18
    +1
    Well, of course, they wanted us to arrange an open day for them in all technology parks.
  7. Masya masya
    Masya masya April 2 2018 10: 18
    +5
    in Russia restore the tradition of "closed cities"

    oh well ... it was, is and will be ... the same Arzamas-16 ... funny ...
    1. BAI
      BAI April 2 2018 10: 41
      0
      Arzamas-16

      Not entirely correct. Arzamas-16 is the most famous closed, but civilian city, aimed at servicing, first of all, the civil institute, and not the organizations of the Ministry of Defense.
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya April 2 2018 10: 48
        +4
        Quote: BAI
        . Arzamas-16 - the most famous

        therefore, as an example, and brought ...
        Quote: BAI
        first of all, a civil institute, and not organizations of the Ministry of Defense.

        so closed to this day ... but what else do not know !!! wink
  8. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov April 2 2018 10: 19
    +4
    No matter how the state system is built, the USSR turns out.
  9. Old26
    Old26 April 2 2018 10: 31
    +3
    Quote: 210ox
    Quite rightly. Yes, and in the same States there are closed territories with the corresponding regime.
    Quote: Teberii
    Breakthrough technologies must be guarded especially carefully.

    In this case, the author of the article confused a closed institute (technopolis) and a closed city. It is said that the enterprise is being created on the basis of the "Military Innovation Technopolis" ERA ". In Anapa. Just did not hear that the resort city was becoming closed

    Quote: Captive
    The Union of these cities was unmeasured and everyone knew about. So what? winked

    They did not know about everyone, especially in the Union. This is already in the days of Russia, all this spilled out. If you worked, for example, in the space industry, it does not mean at all that you could know about the closed cities of the nuclear industry. Unless by chance and through friends ...
  10. BAI
    BAI April 2 2018 10: 35
    0
    the project “has one serious advantage over similar undertakings, and lies in the fact that its construction and development will be controlled by the Ministry of Defense”.

    The Ministry of Defense is full of military institutes (it was and is) around which closed military camps are located (behind the fence, with a checkpoint and access control). What's new here?
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 April 2 2018 11: 02
    +4
    Again, something especially advanced ??? As long as the old rake is not dragged along! And yet, DO NOT let any red bloody go there .... run the cat forward, Better Batyushka, he protected the shot from the red evil! However, there are still some goss service, still at the block posts should build their nest!
  12. AKsvlad047
    AKsvlad047 April 2 2018 11: 27
    0
    Everything is new, as they say well-forgotten old !!! This project, with full control by the Ministry of Defense, has a great chance of success and is clearly necessary for our country!
  13. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 April 2 2018 11: 28
    0
    And that wise decision would be ...
  14. Archivist Vasya
    Archivist Vasya April 2 2018 11: 40
    0
    It's time to revive the closed cities.
  15. Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 2 2018 11: 53
    +8
    And will Anapa-18 be called? laughing
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 2 2018 12: 04
      +4
      Why not? There was no matter what Moscow 101 **** was, but you were unknowingly where!
  16. Bronevick
    Bronevick April 2 2018 12: 05
    0
    Mayak spent 5 years at the plant in ZATO Ozersk, the access control is certainly weak there.
  17. Vladimir Ter-Odiyants
    Vladimir Ter-Odiyants April 2 2018 12: 20
    0
    In general, it’s normal practice. For example, it is widely used in our country, especially in places where the immediate emergency response forces are based in the district.
  18. PFT
    PFT April 2 2018 13: 19
    0
    Why not in Omsk, Novosibirsk, Krasnoyarsk? Oh yeah South by the sea and the wine cellars invented better !!!
  19. xant
    xant April 2 2018 15: 08
    0

    The main tasks of the new military technopolis "Era" will be the development of artificial intelligence, supercomputers, robots and much more. The scientific center of the Ministry of Defense of Russia is created in two stages.

    The first will take about two years, from 2017 to 2018. During this time, the military department will form the basic infrastructure and organize its work. The second stage, scheduled for the period from 2019 to 2020, will already be devoted to creating a complete production chain: from idea to implementation, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation writes with reference to the head of the Era technopolis Fedor Dedus.

    Earlier in the forum, Artificial Intelligence: Problems and Solutions, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu called on military and civilian scientists to join forces in developing AI. This technology will ensure the technological and economic security of the country.

    In turn, Deputy Minister Yuri Borisov added that computer intelligence is simply necessary in modern cyber warfare. He will be able to quickly work with huge volumes of information and search for the necessary data. Which ultimately will give a huge advantage in conflicts that unfold in the virtual space.
    It’s almost built, the “stools” began to build the truth for something else, and so big a center is not drawn to the city
    1. gridasov
      gridasov April 2 2018 15: 30
      +1
      It is very good that the higher echelons of power understand that without methods for analyzing large amounts of data, the future tends to chaos, like numerical sequences to indefinite infinity
  20. Doliva63
    Doliva63 April 2 2018 17: 08
    +4
    It occurred to me under the beer: to collect several directions of development in one place is not right. One "creak", and everyone knows everything. Whether the matter was at home - hundreds of institutes over a dozen time zones! No spies will save laughing drinks
  21. Hiller
    Hiller April 2 2018 19: 41
    0
    And you, mattresses, enviable or terribly enviable?
  22. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner April 3 2018 11: 07
    0
    Interestingly, and the beaches in Dzhemete will also be closed from strangers?
  23. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine April 3 2018 11: 26
    0
    three hands FOR
  24. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb April 3 2018 11: 32
    0
    The military technopolis, which was announced soon by the Russian Ministry of Defense, will be a kind of return to the tradition of Soviet "closed cities", says American expert on Russia Samuel Bendett

    what do you want? to roam everywhere where it is possible and impossible? vegetable to you letter "X"
  25. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 3 2018 13: 13
    0
    Skolkovo is a pump for pumping money out of the budget. There Ponomarev for allegedly "lectures" received hundreds of thousands of dollars. Chubais and Medvedev and others oversaw this project. Results on the face of Russia. May God grant Shoigu health and good luck.
  26. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 April 3 2018 13: 15
    0
    a return to the tradition of Soviet "closed cities", says American expert on Russia Samuel Bendett.
    And P.I.ndovs.sa.v drive a broom from these cities.