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The remains do not belong to the royal family? About the conclusions of experts

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The information about the conclusions made by independent experts after studying the data on the remains of the royal family (the family of Nicholas II Romanov) turned out to be practically unnoticed by large media. These findings were presented in February by a commission composed of Emil Aghajanyan (dentist, vice president of the Dental Association of St. Petersburg, member of the European Association of Aesthetic Dentistry, member of the American Association of Cosmetic Dentistry), as well as historians Leonid Bolotin and Alexey Obolensky.


Examination, as reported edition "Moscow News", was held on the basis of the appeal of the St. Cultural and Educational Fund named after St. Basil the Great. The materials on the treatment of Nicholas II and members of his family and the existing state of the dental-maxillary system of “Yekaterinburg” remains were thoroughly investigated.

The remains do not belong to the royal family? About the conclusions of experts


Researchers were asked several questions, including the question of whether there is any evidence that a dentist visited the royal family several months before his death, taking into account the statements of the previous commission about dentophobia (fear of having his teeth treated) by the emperor. The question was born on the basis of the identification of the fact of removal of two teeth - according to the results of the study of the imperial skull, as well as after the specific detection of fillings.

A similar question for the royal family doctor YSBotkin:
Are there any direct or indirect information in historical sources that in April and May 1918, some dentists visited the medical life E.S. Botkin or someone else could have removed his teeth, or any information that teeth No. 44, 36 and 38 were removed during this period from the physician E.S. Botkin? Is it possible, on the basis of the available information, to assert that skull No. 2 from the Yekaterinburg burial belongs to E.S. Botkin?

Another question for the expert group was a question of this nature:
Is it possible, based on the study of the dentition system of the remains found in the Yekaterinburg burial, to assume that Skull No. 7 belongs to Empress Alexander Feodorovna, Skull No. 3 - Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna, No. 5 - Grand Duchess Anastasia Nikolaevna, and the way of the Ages ?

From the material of the commission:
Popov’s study (an earlier study) states that the lower right eighth tooth of the skull No. 4 was removed 2 — 3 a month before death, and the lower right sixth was removed long before death. In fact, this does not correspond to the circumstances of the case, as it is clearly seen in X-ray pictures and lower jaw photographs from the materials presented for the study that in fact it was the lower right sixth tooth that was removed after 2 — 3 a month before death, and the right The lower eighth tooth was removed long before death. Also incorrectly stated that a fresh removal is in the area of ​​another tooth. It is actually in the area of ​​the 38 tooth. (...) Only their (errors) simple listing and description of mutually exclusive statements can take a whole page.


From the material:
In the text of the examination and its conclusions, we again observe mutually exclusive statements. On page 442, skeleton No. 5 is recognized as belonging to the Grand Duchess Tatiana, and skeleton No. 6 is recognized as the Grand Duchess Anastasia. But already on the 447 page, we see the opposite picture. Now skeleton No. 5 is recognized as belonging to the Grand Duchess Anastasia, and skeleton No. 6 is recognized as the Grand Duchess Tatiana. In the final conclusions of the commission on the 479 page, we again observe the substitution: skeleton No. 5 is again recognized as belonging to the Grand Duchess Tatiana, and skeleton No. 6 to the Grand Duchess Anastasia.


The Commission disputes a range of findings from a previous study group. This, in particular, the findings of the provision / failure to provide dental care to the emperor.

Emil Aghajanian's comment for "Reedus":
The first thing that catches your eye is the condition of the dental-maxillary system of the skull No. 4 (which experts attribute to Nicholas II), which is very different from the state of the teeth of the skull No. 7 (which is attributed to Alexandra Feodorovna). The difference is so obvious, and the state of the teeth is so pitiable that the experts tried to endow Nicholas the Second with dentophobia in order to at least somehow explain such a discrepancy. (...) In addition, according to the description of the wounds received during the attempted assassination of Nikolai Aleksandrovich in 1891 in the Japanese city of Otsu, the place of injuries found on the skull no. 4 does not correspond to those in the description of the wounds by the doctors who provided first aid after the attack.
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  1. Vard
    Vard April 2 2018 06: 53
    +71
    Dances with a tambourine around people who could not save Russia as a state are ridiculous and ultimately no one needs ...
    1. For example
      For example April 2 2018 07: 40
      +32
      Speak for yourself. Debiloids easily abandon the history of their country. The name at the moment is Ukrainians. We are also full of such. Do not see beyond your nose is a distinctive feature of these "thinkers".
      With foam at the mouth to prove the charm of the revolution and immediately show the king that he had ruined the country is the height of insanity.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. April 2 2018 07: 47
        +8
        If Agadzhanyan is an expert, then I am the pope.
        These characters did an "examination" rumored !!! - they wrote anyhow. Even the names of the stages of caries that were accepted by real dentists did not know (until they were shown the right ones). The aforementioned publishing house is preparing a book for the conference in Kolomenskoye, so they did not even realize that Popov and the real experts had significant differences - they brought them together in one plate. Here, they say, WE, and here, they say, these.
        Popov's field of competence is in the profile of the Military Medical Academy: firearms, head injury, mine explosive, blunt, stab-cut injuries, etc. Dentistry is not his. And everything published about Popov’s teeth is his personal nonsense. In VMA, Popov worked until 1994, inclusive. Subsequently, for some reason, he posed as a deputy for science of the Leningrad Regional Bureau of SME. (Although the territorial offices of the SME are not scientific institutions and posts - the deputy for science - are not in them).
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana April 2 2018 08: 21
          +27
          Remember when in St. Petersburg. during the reign of EBN, solemnly and with military honors brought from Yekaterinburg the remains of the supposedly “tsarist” family of Nicholas II for burial in a burial Orthodox church, journalists ran around the city and asked passers-by about how they relate to the act of rendering such immense state honors to members of the royal family .
          The people were mostly sarcastically perplexed.
          - Some said about Yeltsin that "whoever organized these state honors, but only if not the communist party shifter Borka Yeltsin, under whose leadership and insistence the Epatyev’s house had been demolished, in which they shot the tsar’s family."
          - The leadership of the Russian Orthodox Church also then refused to recognize the found remains as "royal". In any case, it certainly did not show any confidence in the recognition of the remains of the tsars.
          - I, like many, to the question of journalists whether I will go to the church to bow to the relics in the tsarist coffins, or at least for the sake of interest to take a look at the EBN’s “political” innovation, answered no, I won’t go. Why? Because I consider this liberoid act of Yeltsin’s political power to be an artificially created political “farce” on behalf of Yeltsin himself to testify to his loyalty to the West and I don’t want to participate in it. Moreover, I think that the Orthodox Church was “littered” with unknown remains in vain and that I have only one desire - to take a broom and sweep everything historically detrimental and indecent from there. So I have nothing to do there. And that the time will come when all these historical “innovations” of the time of Yeltsinism will necessarily be taken out of the Orthodox church. You cannot worship relics that are not historical.
          1. hrych
            hrych April 2 2018 09: 28
            +12
            There is evidence that the heads of the Emperor and the Heir, alcoholized in jars, were delivered to Lenin and Kodle, as evidence for gnostic deeds. Masons use skulls in their ceremonies, even a group like that at Yale University, which trained world leaders, called "Skull and Bones," the grandfather of President Bush, Prescope Bush stole the skull of the famous leader of the Apache Indians -
            Jeronimo the Terrible. Also in the main Masonic temple there is a pyramid with 33 steps and on top a charred skull of Jacques De Molay, the supreme master of the Knights Templar, who was fried on a barbecue by the King of France Philippe, for satanism, anti-state activities and sodomy.
            By the way, Yale, in addition to 5 preziks, Hillary Clinton, etc., graduated from Alyoshka Navalny, on a scholarship program, so that his appearance was not accidental, though Sisyan did not justify his trust, received a criminal record for theft, etc.
            1. aleks_29296
              aleks_29296 April 2 2018 19: 51
              +5
              Excuse me, have you personally seen a pyramid with a skull in a Masonic temple? Or is it so, somewhere heard?
              1. hrych
                hrych April 2 2018 19: 54
                +3
                Go check it out for yourself
            2. v.kosyrev
              v.kosyrev April 3 2018 00: 41
              +4
              Oh, the verbiage went yellow. Heads in banks. Well, nonsense.
            3. cuzmin.mihail2013
              cuzmin.mihail2013 April 8 2018 02: 50
              0
              Che, have you come up with? Share ....
              1. hrych
                hrych April 8 2018 11: 17
                0
                Read the investigation in hot pursuit of white investigator Sokolov. The memoirs of Kalantai preserved the inventory of Lenin’s cabinet, where the head of the Emperor was alcoholized in a bank. Forward, for general development, the direction indicated, look for the materials themselves, the Internet will help you.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 2 2018 08: 25
        +19
        Quote: For example
        that he ruined the country is the height of insanity.

        and what did not ruin?
      3. 1skuns1
        1skuns1 April 2 2018 08: 46
        +18
        maybe the king saved the country? ... enlighten
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 2 2018 08: 53
        +17
        Quote: For example
        Debiloids easily abandon the history of their country.

        I agree, but what do you call those who study history from cheap films with dreams of French rolls?
      5. volodimer
        volodimer April 2 2018 09: 08
        +21
        And what is Vard actually wrong about? It was the mediocre rule of Nika2 that led to the 2nd revolutions in a year and the collapse of the country, and this is a story that must be remembered.
        And these dances on the bones do not give rest to the deceased, no matter who they were during their lifetime (the royal family or not). In many ways, this process is the fault of the church: the western canonized them with a clearly political purpose to the peak of communist atheists, and ours after "joining the civilized world" with no less political purpose. And now it’s important for the church to establish the ownership of the remains — all the same, “holy relics” or just the bones of the dead.
        1. Angina
          Angina April 2 2018 11: 19
          0
          "Caesar's wife is beyond suspicion." I'm afraid the ROC will not do this in the near future. Firstly, a precedent dangerous for the church, and secondly, courage is not enough, and the leader has not been there for a long time. If only someone in the struggle for power wants to try to win this.
        2. your1970
          your1970 April 9 2018 12: 15
          0
          the question is not in the church - but in the inheritance ...

          King (like an individual) quite large assets were placed in Western banks - it is they that do not give rest to the heirs. There are many ...
          In addition, there are still funds allocated by him precisely as the King (as a representative of the state) - there are also a lot of them
      6. Shurale
        Shurale April 2 2018 09: 48
        +8
        Attracting Ukrainians while still not finished
        ugly. A revolution is an ordinary historical process that applies if the authorities lead the country into a dead end of insoluble contradictions. It’s strange to sing the revolution, but to blame the one whose fault it happened was quite logical. And who to scold? The oligarchs who tricked the king away? The Bolsheviks who then drove the oligarchs from power? Their actions are just a reaction. But by no means a reason.
      7. raw174
        raw174 April 2 2018 10: 07
        +7
        Quote: For example
        that he ruined the country is the height of insanity.

        Well, one can say that he could not restrain, did not save from revolution ... Does this change something?
        Quote: For example
        Debiloids easily abandon the history of their country.

        Duck no one refuses, just different views. Everyone would have the same views and revolutions would not ...
      8. spiriolla-45
        spiriolla-45 April 2 2018 11: 22
        +14
        The top of insanity is to prove the holiness of Nikolanka, and the great good of the rule of the Romanovs in general.
        1. Serafim25
          Serafim25 April 2 2018 23: 46
          +1
          Insanity, it's you! Actually, we are talking about the sanctity of the "family" (wife, all daughters and son) ... as martyrs, as there was a fact of ritual murder.
          1. v.kosyrev
            v.kosyrev April 3 2018 00: 45
            +2
            Well, so he was ranked among the saints, I do not understand, however, for what. Such families shot in full force during the civilian period cannot be counted. Why this particular privilege? The tragedies of death - yes, no doubt. And to canonize for martyrdom is too much. Belonging to the Romanovs gives some direct selectivity. Stupid.
      9. Fitter65
        Fitter65 April 2 2018 12: 31
        +7
        Quote: For example

        With foam at the mouth to prove the charm of the revolution and immediately show the king that he had ruined the country is the height of insanity.

        Well, thanks to the inaction of this man, who was the emperor of the Russian Empire, our country fell into the abyss of an internecine civil war. It was he who refused to rule the country in a difficult year and gave power incomprehensibly to some Provisional Government. Under whose leadership Russia almost And the fact that the Bolsheviks as a result of the October coup (they themselves called it by the way) took power from these amorphous creatures and there was no choice. Rather, Russia was or will be or not, the Bolsheviks said that Russia should be.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana April 2 2018 18: 45
          +3
          Quote: Fitter65
          After all, it was he who refused to rule the country in difficult times and gave power incomprehensibly to some Provisional Government. Under the leadership of which Russia almost got a handle.

          Moreover, when the German Kaiser, after declaring war on Russia, nevertheless suggested that Nicholas II immediately make peace and not start a war, the Russian sovereign decided not to stop the already announced mobilization in Russia, since he considered this to be not entirely “decent” for his part.
          The war between Russia and Germany might not really start at all, the Kaiser of Germany and the Russian emperor were still quite close relatives. However, in order to prevent this from happening, the British diplomats tried their best to subdue the war with them.
          1. Homecoming
            Homecoming April 2 2018 19: 29
            +1
            For this, the British shot Rasputin, who wanted to stop the war.
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 9 2018 12: 16
              0
              no one cancels the influence of Rasputin
      10. larand
        larand April 2 2018 19: 43
        +4
        Or maybe present hundreds of thousands of Russian men killed in the Russo-Japanese and World War I to present to the mediocre tsar, abdicated, that is, abandoned the country? Or maybe show him bringing the country to three revolutions? They found a saint. And morons in July with foam at the mouth will celebrate the 100th anniversary of the alleged execution.
      11. v.kosyrev
        v.kosyrev April 3 2018 00: 38
        +1
        And then the rejection of its history? On the contrary, her knowledge. Although the remains, I believe, need to be identified, still the last imperial ruling family. Well, what really collapsed is quite obvious.
    2. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 April 2 2018 07: 56
      +5
      It’s unlikely that anyone will take anything from this topic. Most likely, some received a grant to prove that Russia, under the names of the imperial family, buried the remains of others, and the church hastened to take Nikolai ll and his family to martyrs. There is nothing good behind such an initiative. Although I myself have a negative attitude towards the canonization of a ruler who is responsible not only for the years of unrest, but also indirectly responsible for the death of his family. It was a populist move.
      1. figwam
        figwam April 2 2018 09: 16
        +5
        The church did not recognize these remains of the royal family. The most interesting thing is that the royal family had four twin families.
    3. Basil50
      Basil50 April 2 2018 09: 06
      +6
      ward
      Dances with a tambourine are needed, it becomes possible to find a direct heir and merge him all the royal gold. And there, applicants for RUSSIA will already appear with finances for hiring both supporters and mercenaries with weapons, for accession. Yes, you never know where you can spend money, in the end there * the royal house * multiplies, multiplies, they also need to be fed.
    4. the monastery
      the monastery April 2 2018 10: 54
      +2
      this is the darkness of "dance with tambourines" yes are you out of your mind ?!
      on these remains even all the gold of America tied
      not to mention Russia.
      You are clearly not doing something ............
    5. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov April 2 2018 10: 57
      +6
      Not tired of these dances around the coffins? It is said that they buried the remains of the royal family - which means that it is. Their funeral is not a sign of authenticity, but a gesture of repentance from the liberals. In general, in my opinion - the cries of liberals is a product of improper upbringing in the family. According to my observations, liberals grow out of capricious, absurd children who are ready to throw a tantrum because of serving soup in the wrong bowl. Such - instead of exhortations, you just need to put in a corner - until the recognition of the erroneous behavior. Then the liberals will die out. But with time.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 April 2 2018 12: 17
        +4
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        Such - instead of exhortations, you just need to put in a corner - until the recognition of the erroneous behavior. Then the liberals will die out. But with time.

        From the corner he can only SAY WHAT he RECOGNIZED, yeah. And hiding for the time being. So they will not die out, at least, by themselves. They initially cannot self-destruct, for this contradicts the very essence of the liberal. Here are the others to push for this - they are always welcome. Apparently, this "counterbalance" exists so that humanity does not relax very much. Slightly gave slack - they will devour a hairdryer to edrena.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 2 2018 06: 54
    +4
    Whom to believe? request How many of these "independent" examinations were there? And all contradict the previous one.
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS April 2 2018 06: 56
    +6
    Yes bury them already! What a pathology to collect corpses and to investigate something there ... We are keeping Lenin in the Mausoleum, now these remains ...
    1. avt
      avt April 2 2018 07: 21
      +12
      Quote: NEXUS
      What a pathology to collect corpses and to investigate something there ... We are keeping Lenin in the Mausoleum, now these remains ...

      So Ulnjanov / Lenin simply did not have such dough and real estate over the hill. So why boil about it? And here is such a box office! One of the particularly unstable holders of accounts and real estate of the family, the owner of the Russian Land’s camp, doesn’t want to recognize the appointed new legal successors, and therefore transfer the money to the head of the Romanovsky house, whom the gypsy camp after choosing to bury the bookmarks of Radzinsky and Aldonin in the gangway. dental runs.
    2. mamont5
      mamont5 April 2 2018 07: 28
      +3
      So it’s like how long ago they buried (like in 1998 year), I remember on TV (then I still watched it smile ) showed. In the same place as all the Russian emperors are.
    3. novel66
      novel66 April 2 2018 07: 30
      +7
      verily! some unhealthy addiction to bones. we do not look like psheks, but this is not good
  4. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog April 2 2018 06: 56
    +9
    As a result, it turns out that Nicholas II is alive. He is immortal and rules under the guise of Putin!
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 2 2018 09: 26
      +11
      rather, crap under the guise of Chubais ... lol
    2. reservist
      reservist April 2 2018 14: 08
      +8
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      ... Nicholas II is alive. He is immortal and rules under the guise of Putin!

      do not confuse anything? exactly under the GDP?
      1. Per se.
        Per se. April 2 2018 14: 15
        +7
        Quote: reservist
        exactly under GDP?
        Indeed, here it is easier for Medvedev to suspect that he was the reincarnation of Nicholas II, or the cooler one ... For the sake of justice, if that were, it would prove once more (according to Dmitry Anatolyevich) what the last emperor of ours was mediocre.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 2 2018 07: 02
    +5
    in 38 tooth
    Sorry, but is it like a 38 tooth? A healthy adult has 32 teeth (28 basic and 4 so-called “wisdom teeth”). Who, experts or journalists lied?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 2 2018 07: 14
      +9
      teeth No. 44, 36 and 38 were removed
      You see, they were deleted as superfluous!
    2. Volodin
      Volodin April 2 2018 07: 15
      +18
      Dental scheme
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 2 2018 07: 21
        +8
        Clear. The first digit is the numbering of a quarter of the jaws, but the second number of the tooth in the jaw is in the established order.
  6. Observer2014
    Observer2014 April 2 2018 07: 05
    +8
    What is there to guess? Spend the "Battle of the Exsense" And everything will become clear bully
    or someone else could have removed his teeth, or any evidence that teeth No. 44, 36 and 38 were removed during this period from life physician E.S. Botkin?
    repeat
  7. Amateur
    Amateur April 2 2018 07: 16
    0
    "It is also incorrectly indicated that fresh extraction is in the area of ​​another tooth. In fact, it is in the area of ​​38 teeth. (...) Only their (mistakes) simple listing and description of mutually exclusive statements can take a whole page." 38 teeth is cool. But, unfortunately, today is April 2.
    1. Volodin
      Volodin April 2 2018 07: 21
      +10
      "Amateur". In this case, you excuse me, your nickname justifies itself. Well, what are the "38 teeth"? There is a dental scheme in which there is a strict numbering, unrelated to the total number of teeth.
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic April 2 2018 07: 24
    +1
    Maybe this is also such a banter over us? Or did someone really decide once again to rewrite the history of the execution of the royal family in a context favorable to a certain group of people in the country?
  9. Egorovich
    Egorovich April 2 2018 07: 37
    +17
    They bullied everyone with these remains of the royal family. For hell they would need, from those now living, to someone else.
  10. Brigadier
    Brigadier April 2 2018 07: 44
    +19
    Quote: Egorovich
    Egorovich (Alexander Rumyantsev) Today, 07:37 New
    They bullied everyone with these remains of the royal family. For hell they would need, from those now living, to someone else.

    I fully support Yegorovich!
    Nikolashka was a worthless tsar, pathologically incapable of ruling Russia, and today our long-maned elevated him to the rank of saints!
    Yes, and Natalya Krymskaya rushes with him, as with a written bag. And when she left with his portrait in the column of the victors of fascism, it was a complete finish! Wow!
    The Bolsheviks did the right thing, that they banged this t-in-a-r-r, which ruined the country and led to the Civil War. The right way went comrades. Approve!
    It’s only a pity for the children who, due to their u-b-l-d-full-parent, have died ...
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz April 2 2018 07: 54
      +2
      Quote: Brigadier
      horseradish

      Declaring him a saint was a prerequisite for overcoming the schism and unification of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Orthodox Church, reading no one obliges anyone, it is inside the church procedure that the laity cannot condemn or influence this cuisine, it doesn’t concern them, they don’t pray to the saints if you think fit
      1. K-50
        K-50 April 2 2018 08: 22
        +22
        And what was the saint there?
        "The king, well, the king, but it is easy for kings to think." (C)
        An ordinary family man, placed by chance at the head of a huge power, which he safely ran. Moreover, he did not have any managerial skills and team.
        The most important thing worthy of description in a personal diary was the shooting of the raven.
        The lover of the "actresses", like the whole Romanov clique.
        Loser of ALL wars that happened in his reign.
        And how many civilians "crushed" his !!!
        Instead of solving the brewing social explosion, he "cured" him with cossacks, sabers and rifles.
        What else was there holy? what
        1. novel66
          novel66 April 2 2018 09: 27
          +6
          they say. drank vodka without wincing
      2. Conserp
        Conserp April 3 2018 01: 30
        +1
        Quote: Kyrgyz
        Declaring him a saint was a prerequisite for overcoming the church schism and unification of the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Orthodox Church

        The problem is that they declared him holy - the Nazis.
        Nikolai was an "Aryan who suffered from the Jewish Bolsheviks."
        The ROCz are those who blessed Hitler and anathematized all who fought against him.
        The union of the Russian Orthodox Church with the Nazis says absolutely everything about the modern Russian Orthodox Church and those who read something there and generally have a positive attitude towards this organization.
      3. kan123
        kan123 April 3 2018 08: 25
        +3
        Nobody was interested in the “unification” of some churches — all 90s were ruled by the “advisers” of Yeltsin — the Americans, and the ROCA was still covered and covered by the US CIA — there are disagreeable priests of the ROCA, the police, prosecutors and special services come to pick it up - and this policy was for them needed for the religiousization of the post-Soviet population. Already in the 50s, they turned to the ROCOR so that they could figure out how they would live on, after the Soviet Union these peoples — Western Ukraine fascists, Asian bais, Latvia “the eternal pain of the Latvian” —and in Russia, the good old king, and the church St. slave past and so on. ROCOR was an ideological substitute for the CPSU, and they claimed who had no brains - they directly stated that the Russian was a slave, there was nothing wrong with that, it was very good. The CIA’s philosophy - not just pleasing - they created it, and brought in the 90s to "unite" the church. Therefore, the tsar was canonized according to the political line, the influence and direction of the Russian people, from the United States.
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 April 2 2018 10: 37
      +3
      Quote: Brigadier
      The Bolsheviks did right that they banged this t-in-a-r-r,

      Most of the regicide, then, for the most part, also banged (party comrades), Comrade Stalin himself was disgusted by these people, they were nonhumans (regicide), by the way, there were Russians there - only a few degenerates.
    3. Conserp
      Conserp April 3 2018 01: 39
      +4
      Quote: Brigadier
      The Bolsheviks did right that they banged this t-in-a-r-b

      The cimus is that this is a propaganda lie.

      The Bolsheviks did not shoot the former king.

      The former Tsar was shot by the Socialist-Revolutionary Uralsovet, which at that time participated in the anti-Bolshevik revolt supported by the British. The same Uralsovet tried to shoot Lenin's family (moreover, he successfully shot his cousin).

      Typically, the very same British did not let the king come to themselves. But they let in his gold, which they successfully appropriated. After all, all direct heirs were killed, yes.
      Coincidence? I don’t think so! (with)
  11. K-50
    K-50 April 2 2018 08: 15
    +1
    Pancake!!! Yes, you leave the remains alone !!!
    X rendered themselves "fame" on the bones of the dead to earn !!!
    One hundred years ago it was necessary to fuss, but now let the bones rest at last !!!!
    In general, one should already be brought to court for mocking the dead !!!! am
  12. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov April 2 2018 08: 33
    +3
    Yeah! Bulkhorst mourning wink But by the way, nothing surprising. What is so expertise is that this is possibly opportunistic. But the family is in fact sorry
  13. Dormidont
    Dormidont April 2 2018 08: 35
    +2
    No matter how liberals attract the conclusions of various iksperds, one cannot conceal the truth, for the remains of the Imperial family name were burnt, and the ashes ... As in the case of the assassination of Stalin
  14. Altona
    Altona April 2 2018 08: 39
    +5
    Straight classic - "The king is something fake!"
  15. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman April 2 2018 08: 39
    0
    Quote: Vard
    Dances with a tambourine around people who could not save Russia as a state are ridiculous and ultimately no one needs ...


    In vain you, Vard, are cursing about this! Not at all funny! You can hold any point of view, but nobody canceled objectivity and reliance on facts. Of course, you can simply appoint the guilty party, especially since the official history does just that. community (which is very suspicious for a thoughtful truth-seeker), but you can independently build the whole chain of known events, put yourself in the place of Nicholas II, and then apply all the current ratings to yourself in this situation. Did not try? But worth it.
  16. Engineer
    Engineer April 2 2018 08: 43
    0
    Did the dentist and two historians do an examination of the remains? Seriously? Well, the dentist, okay, but have historians given DNA analysis? wink
  17. Altona
    Altona April 2 2018 08: 50
    +4
    Quote: Engineer
    Well, the dentist, okay, but have historians given DNA analysis?

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    The history of the disease was provided from the archives.
  18. 1skuns1
    1skuns1 April 2 2018 08: 52
    +2
    it was just a political order - to create a rattle toy for the people ... agreed between the government and the Russian Orthodox Church ...
  19. Altona
    Altona April 2 2018 08: 53
    +12
    Quote: Dormidont
    No matter how liberals attracted the conclusions of various iksperds, one cannot conceal the truth, for the remains of the Imperial family name were burnt, and the ashes ...

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    Now the former tsar, Romanov’s citizen, is needed by the ruling elite as air. For all their "sovereign" paradigm around the former king is being built. The Black-Hundred ideology "Faith, Tsar, Fatherland" is nesting. Bourgeois patriotism is nurtured, where I will love birches, and Deripaska is Maldivian palms.
  20. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 2 2018 09: 02
    +5
    Since the discovery and reburial of the so-called "remains of members of the royal family," talk has begun that "the king is not real!" (moreover, serious arguments were made)! .... Since the declaration of Nicholas II as "saint", protests against this "politicized" act also began, seriously substantiated arguments were expressed that Nicholas II was "not worthy of canonization"! The violation was also pointed out conditions of canonization, and hence the illegality of this act ... More recently, a television program was broadcast on the RenTV channel, which argued in favor of the version that the tsar’s family was not shot in the 1918 in Yekaterinburg ....
  21. bober1982
    bober1982 April 2 2018 09: 10
    +3
    An article about nothing, empty and provocative, is approaching the 100th anniversary of the death of the Imperial Family and the flow of such articles will only increase.
    The Tsar’s remains were buried according to the conclusions of the commission, headed by B. Nemtsov, what is there to comment on?
  22. BAI
    BAI April 2 2018 09: 20
    +4
    The obvious fact is that with these bones, political games were originally arranged.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 April 2 2018 09: 28
      +2
      Therefore, the Church does not recognize these "remains" - they simply do not exist.
  23. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 2 2018 10: 09
    +6
    Why all these dances on the bones? What, in fact, will change for most of the Russian people the fact that the remains are royal, or not royal? These initiatives have already been taken - to bury Lenin, to dig Stalin and to bury in another place, to dig around the neighborhood of Yekaterinburg in search of bones, to demolish the Mausoleum and to pave the place asphalted. The people - Home, work, children, worries, troubles, summer cottages, to the doctor for an appointment with FIGs and then drop everything, 145 million Russians should break their heads - Is this the king, or not the king?
  24. Sergey956
    Sergey956 April 2 2018 10: 47
    +5
    Uninhabited monarchists really want to find the remains of the loser tsar, who profiled Great Russia. No need to ted the bones of the dead. Monarchists should be silent until finished.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 April 2 2018 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Sergey956
      Uninhabited monarchists really want to find the remains of a loser king

      This is Mr. Nemtsov (now deceased), was of the monarchists?
      Quote: Sergey956
      Monarchists should be silent until finished.

      Will you throw grenades? A joke of course.
  25. HMR333
    HMR333 April 2 2018 11: 16
    +1
    Quote: Vard
    Dances with a tambourine around people who could not save Russia as a state are ridiculous and ultimately no one needs ...

    you are funny! and right now, Russia is not a state ??? maybe an island or a public garden in the park ??? think what you write! You have seen enough Hollywood films and you don’t understand the ideal people, and he probably did everything he could! this is in your favorite films an eternally happy hepiand And this is life, and if you think that you are unnecessary, then write and do not say for everyone! remember if it were not for all those who were then it would not be possible now for Russia! and since it is ......
  26. Altona
    Altona April 2 2018 11: 29
    +6
    Quote: Pilaf from Ukrainians
    The main thing is that Russia will never again slide down to the ideology of red fascism, thanks to some burry line sponsored from abroad.

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    Ha, thanks to the self-sponsored NTS (People's Labor Union), this monarchist theme arose.
  27. Hiller
    Hiller April 2 2018 13: 21
    0
    These PR dances on bones cause nothing but bitterness ..
  28. DPN
    DPN April 2 2018 16: 33
    +3
    A waste of state money, a man could not save the state, and his successor was the Judge labeled Gorbachev, who is still alive. A strange thing is life Verkhushka surrenders and ruins the state — they become heroes with monuments: Niklai-2, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, just a citizen will be a traitor and hanged.
    The ruler must answer with his head for the collapse of the country, and he collects the remains of the world. What I earned is what I got, it’s the turn of the “tagged.;.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 2 2018 18: 17
      +6
      Quote: DPN
      The top surrenders and ruins the state - become heroes they put monuments: Niklai-2, Gorbachev, Yeltsin

      and the real creator of the Empire, Ivan the Terrible, is almost anathema
  29. serge siberian
    serge siberian April 2 2018 18: 35
    +3
    I remember that at VO I read about the meeting of the Emperor and Rockefeller, after which Nikolai told one of the close ones: "He offered me to transfer the State Bank of Russia to him. I refused and it seems I signed myself a death sentence." It was in 1909. And then the story Our countries know more and more. hi
    1. Alf
      Alf April 2 2018 19: 04
      +2
      Quote: serzh sibiryak
      He seems to have signed himself a death sentence. "

      Everything can be fixed, but judging by the further behavior of Nikolashka, he was not going to do anything.
  30. Laspie
    Laspie April 2 2018 20: 50
    0
    Yes, indeed, doubles were shot. And for credibility, Dr. Botkin was killed for the company. So, everything is logical. death .....
  31. kan123
    kan123 April 3 2018 08: 07
    +2
    100 years ago, someone killed “competitors to the throne of the Republic of Ingushetia” - first Myasnikov killed the deceit of the king of Ingushetia, Mikhail, then the Alapaevskys “escaped”, then Nikolai.
    To whom was it profitable? This was total harm to the Bolsheviks, because the Germans set the condition for br. to the world, the export to Germany of their highnesses. He sent a commissioner, with an exceptional mandate, to take out, if not Nikolai, then his family, from Tobolsk. This commissar brought for some reason to Yekaterinburg, where the local essay and Menshevik unions of workers (leader Myasnikov) were already waiting for them. This commissar crossed the border and ended up in Ufa, with the whites, turned out to be a traitor.
    This is the extermination of the "heirs to the throne," c. princes and princes, and most importantly - the son of Nicholas, it was beneficial 1) to the Americans who occupied Siberia, and created a "democratic government", under the leadership of the Ufa "uchkom". 2) less likely, but these brutal executions were beneficial to the whites, ex. the tsar was considered the culprit of everything, and during his lifetime, and his son, no “dictator” worked out. And as soon as in Yekaterinburg they shot Nikolai with his son, the first was a congress of the pro-American Ucom in Ufa, the second - Kolchak declared himself ruler of Russia. These two events were impossible under the living emperors.
    In connection with these events, in Moscow, too, were not fools. They saw all this - both the capture by the Mensheviks and Socialist-Revolutionaries of the Urals, and the killing of such powerful "hostages" that it was just a sabotage against Lenin, and took their measures. In the first post factum, these artworks of Myasnikov were “delegated” - in order to avoid dual power and seething among the people. What is Sverdlov’s transcript about? Secondly, they created a legend that suited whites — that there was mockery of corpses, even some rituals — completely “bent” at the request of investigator Sokolov, and the propaganda department in the white army. At the same time, always having the opportunity, dig up the highnesses, and present them to the world. This is all that the Bolsheviks could do in this situation.
    All subsequent authorities of the Soviets acted according to this legend (because they also could not dig them out), and the foreign church with the "patriots" and the CIA composed their tales for almost 70 years. Then the king was canonized according to these tales of the Bolsheviks. And now they have no choice but to deny the obvious. But the problem still remains - who killed their highnesses - if it was sent from Ufa, then he was killed by American services, through unions of workers of the Urals, Socialist Revolutionary, Menshevik views.
  32. Savignon
    Savignon April 3 2018 09: 17
    +3
    We did not have, and never will have any kings of the Romanov-Rurikovich. Nikolai and his brother refused to rule the state. From this moment the kings ended.
    Left the wheel - not the king! Being a king is a responsibility, not a privilege.
    The country's economy provides the tsar as a manager with a palace and amenities only for the tsar to engage in mental and political activities in the care of the country, not being puzzled by everyday problems - this is the essence of tsarism.
    To put it simply, Nikolai II had eaten deliciously all his life, slept gently, ran after the walking ballerina Matilda, instead of helping such outstanding thinkers as Stolypin and trying not to lose Russian-Japanese with shame.
    All my life it’s delicious to eat and sleep softly at the expense of the state, so that later this state will be left to its own devices - yes, after that, nobody!
    And in the photo are guarded by military personnel with joined bayonets and in a parade - this is such an outstanding shame, this is a disgrace for a soldier! I would refuse to stand guard near incomprehensible remains.
    1. Sergg
      Sergg April 4 2018 10: 39
      0
      “Thinker” you at least study a little history before writing such stupid opuses, writing like that you testify to your level of “education” and nothing more. I’m sure that, in general, you don’t know anything about either the tsar or the socio-political structure of the country at that time. Not about the reasons for the revolution. Do you even watch the documentary “The True History of the Russian Revolution” to have at least a small idea of ​​what you are trying to judge. No offense, I do not blame you for anything else - only in the level of education.
      1. Conserp
        Conserp April 5 2018 18: 02
        0
        Quote: Sergg
        Do you even watch the documentary "The True History of the Russian Revolution"

        An "educated history scholar" snobbyly suggests watching a cheap propaganda fake.
        Scream.
  33. ver_
    ver_ April 6 2018 05: 02
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Yes bury them already! What a pathology to collect corpses and to investigate something there ... We are keeping Lenin in the Mausoleum, now these remains ...

    ..with regards to the stuffed Jew Ulyanov = Blanca, then his place is at the Wailing Wall in Israel ...