Tuleyev resigned

Aman Tuleyev decided to leave the post of governor of the Kemerovo region ahead of time due to the tragedy in the shopping center “Winter Cherry”, reports RIA News.

“The Governor of the Kemerovo Region, Aman Tuleyev, addressed the Russian President Vladimir Putin with a letter of resignation,” the press service of the regional administration said.

Later, on the official channel of the administration on YouTube, his video message appeared.

Dear countrymen. We all experience the terrible tragedy that occurred in Kemerovo 25 March. We have lost 64 man and most of them are children. Our kids. Each of us has already missed all this through his heart, all this horror, the pain of this catastrophe ... Together with us all Russia and the whole world grieve

said the governor.

I consider for myself the right, conscious, the only right decision, because with such a heavy load on the post of governor, well, it is impossible, morally impossible,

declared Tuleyev.

Addressing the residents of the region, he noted that together with them he passed “a big, very big life journey - from the Kuzbass striker, sitting on rails, knocking with helmets, to Kuzbass creating and supporting the state”.

And you did it all. And I am immensely grateful. Quite honestly, as before an icon, I can tell you that in my work I was always guided by the interests of our country, Russia and our region,

said the governor.

Thanks again to everyone. For the fact that they were always there, in the grief of joy, and take a bow. Today, now I want to tell you, I submitted a letter of resignation to the President of the Russian Federation. Peace and good to you and your families. May the Lord protect each of you and our native Kuznetsk land,

added on.

Aman Tuleyev came to politics at the end of the 1980s. Kemerovo region headed the 1997 year, four times re-elected as governor with the result 93,5-96,69% of votes. His powers as head of the region expired in 2020 year. Tuleev 73 of the year.

Comments

[New Year day]

if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

[AST576]

Yes, finally. A thief is a thief, and a thief is chasing ... If only they all resigned, then what kind of life would begin! Dreams, dreams .........

[svp67]

Quote: AST576

If they all resigned, what kind of life would begin then! Dreams, dreams .........

Nonsense, nonsense ... and nonsense again. Well ETI will leave, TE will come and it will become even worse. Since TE, they will urgently begin to improve their well-being. In the 90s and zero already passed.

[AST576]

Yes, much worse, Seryog ... And, you see, it will become better ... What’s in the advertisement, but what, what if ...

[svp67]

Quote: AST576

Yes, much worse

Remembering the 90s ... I can say that there is where

Quote: AST576

How is it in advertising, but what, what if .....

Do not believe the ads, but deeds and actions. We do not have a coherent political system in our country, it is not built.

[New Year day]

Quote: svp67

We do not have a coherent political system in our country, it is not built.

this is the main problem. Hence the excitement around the election. It all depends on one person, no matter what his last name and name.

[Ural resident]

I agree. There should be a power system where the apparatus works regardless of who is leading it.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Resident of the Urals

I agree. There should be a power system where the apparatus works regardless of who is leading it.

Please tell me in which country such a system? This is for very interesting.

[Maksus]

In the states, for example. Whatever power he takes, he does everything in the interests of America, not friends and partners.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Maksus

In the states, for example. Whatever power he takes, he does everything in America’s interests

Og ... only there are their own internal graters.
And Trump and Clinton in the elections were in a bad mood - they have different understandings of what exactly needs to be done "in the interests of the States."

Quote: Resident of the Urals

where the device works regardless of who heads it

There are no such countries. In nature, no

[Maksus]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Og ... only there are their own internal graters.
And Trump and Clinton in the elections were in a bad mood - they have different understandings of what exactly needs to be done "in the interests of the States."

In any case, the States remain with their interests and income. The only question is who exactly will receive these incomes and interests, but in any case it will be in America, and not in the partner country.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Maksus

In the states, for example. Whatever power he takes, he does everything in the interests of America, not friends and partners.

Have you been there and lived in person or so, just to say something?

[PN]

Can’t you see this without a personal presence?

[Maksus]

Was, did not live. Does this answer fit? You really don’t see that everything the United States does, it does for itself, and for the rest - who do not care, who to bomb, who to yell.

[Alex Justice]

Please tell me in which country such a system? This is for very interesting.

Australia. Law and order work well.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: A resident of the Urals

I agree. There should be a power system where the apparatus works regardless of who is leading it.

That is precisely such a system now in the USA.
Do you like?

[LSA57]

Quote: AST576

Yes, much worse, Seryog ...

you probably didn’t live at 90 and at the beginning of 00

[AST576]

They lived, Seryog, lived ......... And before they lived, and now we live, not thanks to our authorities, but contrary to ... We are surviving. I am getting all of you oil so that you rejoice at the current state of affairs, but I don’t before...

[LSA57]

Quote: AST576

Lived, Seryog, lived .....

and nothing has changed for the better? but in my opinion heaven and earth.

[Smyrnof]

To this, I have a simple brain-tearing question for cheers
Why the Germans under Catherine II in large numbers migrated to Russia and now all the inhabitants of Russia are trying to migrate anywhere, well, I think except you probably not used to a good life (judging by your agitation) and in the search for life in problems and torment

[LSA57]

Quote: Smirnof

and now all the inhabitants of Russia

about how. and where such powers to speak on behalf of all Russians? in the presidential election, Russians showed who is who

trying to migrate anywhere

and urkainu too? how are you not in kuev yet
forward until parashkin introduced the visa regime

[Smyrnof]

and urkainu too? how is it you are not yet in cueva laughing
forward until parashkin visa regime introduced laughing

On except how neighing and nasty things are not able to write

[LSA57]

Quote: Smirnof

On except how neighing and nasty things are not able to write

just answered your "masterpiece"

and now all the inhabitants of Russia are trying to migrate anywhere

and I repeat the question, why haven’t you fled to urkain yet?
and about neighing ... you are the first one ( ) emoticon set

[Smyrnof]

and urkainu too? how is it you are not yet in cueva laughing
forward until parashkin introduced the visa regime

Good on business
How do you know that people in Ukraine live poorly? (I suspect our media said) but we are already waiting for Ukraine to fall apart and fall apart, and we just can’t wait, but I know very well how people live in our villages
Why am I not in Ukraine? Well, why should I be there? I’m not connected with Ukraine in any way, even by blood I’m German
I sincerely want the standard of living of our population to increase and not on paper somewhere, but in reality and I don’t understand why they immediately put it as an alternative to bulk or some of this mold
Well, maybe all the same you go there and maybe your presence in Russia prevents many living and the country from developing?
Maybe you decide on the commissioning of buildings (for bribes) which then burn like matches?

[LSA57]

Quote: Smirnof

How do you know that people in Ukraine live poorly? (I suspect our media said)

relatives in kuev, Kharkov, Enakievo

Why am I not in Ukraine? Well, why should I be there?

your words

and now all the inhabitants of Russia are trying to migrate anywhere

it's the closest place to anywhere

I’m not connected with Ukraine in any way, even by blood I’m German

Vaterland is waiting. or do Russians dream of escaping, and Germans dream of staying?

I sincerely want the standard of living of our population to increase and not on paper somewhere but in reality

in reality compare the 90s and now

Maybe you decide on the commissioning of buildings (for bribes) which then burn like matches?

they burn every day. Nowhere in the world do people die in fires and nowhere in the world do they take bribes ????

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: LSA57

and urkainu too? how are you not in kuev yet

Joking as a joke, but some of my friends are seriously thinking about Switzerland and Canada. Middle class by the way.

[LSA57]

Quote: Ingvar 72

but a few of my friends are seriously thinking about Switzerland and Canada. Middle class by the way.

I don’t even have a few friends. there are quite wealthy people
and why didn’t they leave in the 90s, when it was much worse?

[Goodwin]

And my friend returned from Canada, and not to Moscow, but back to Vladivostok. A doctor, a surgeon, by the way. I will not describe all the reasons for the return, money, by the way, is not the main thing. For 5 years, he did not take root there, so that not everyone there knows how to live well in Russia Not everything beyond the hill is as rosy as some write here. I myself have never been, I won’t lie, I use Russian landscapes exclusively for rest, I have never regretted it. Damn how many whiners in the VO divorced, where so much in each topic? Can go to work well, and if the salary is not satisfied, find another job, learn a little, finally. It's never too late to learn.

[alexmach]

Joking as a joke, but some of my friends are seriously thinking about Switzerland ...

Yeah .. about Switzerland .. Let them think one more time. at the same time, they will also consider the option with Monaco :)
Switzerland has one of the most stringent immigration policies.

and Canada.

Here is a little more realistic. But also not easy.

[Sorokin]

Where did you jump from there? The Chelyabinsk return line turned on so are not happy for them

[japs]

Can write you the details of the life of your Russian Germans in Germany?
Or will you tell us about their well-fed and deceased life there?
Mentally live like that, surrounded by the care and attention of social services ...

[uralex]

Maybe enough whining gentlemen, "Sits"? They will take out loans to get everything now, and then there will not be enough salaries to pay them off, and they will begin to criticize the authorities, instead of engaging in elementary financial planning and prioritizing expenses ... I have already seen enough of my colleagues who, having ordinary positions and achievements will be bought by business class cars and iPhones, and go whimpering ...

And "all the inhabitants of Russia are trying to migrate anywhere" - from the same "opera".
I have already heard more than one story about those trying to migrate ... Nobody is waiting for you there! You have to plow in black. If you want to feel like a gastrobiter, this is your way ...

[Smyrnof]

Maybe enough whining gentlemen, "Sits"? Get loans to get

You are ridiculous what kind of loans if s / n in a person is 15 thousand Credit for what they will give is interesting for a loaf of bread and milk

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Smirnof

and now all the inhabitants of Russia are trying to migrate anywhere

The Liberal was deceived. Smirnof Gadia shit.

[Smyrnof]

Sanya, something you really messed up with 12 year

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Smirnof

Sanya, something you really messed up with 12 year

I wonder how your nickname was in 2012

[Xnumx vis]

Because the Germans were distributed land for free. The land that His Grace Prince Gregory Alexandrovich Potemkin-Tauride recaptured from the Wild Field. There were not enough people in the empire to develop the lands of the South Russian. And Germany, as a state, did not exist at that time. There were counties, duchies ..

[Smyrnof]

Because the Germans were distributed land for free. The land that His Grace Prince Gregory Alexandrovich Potemkin-Tauride recaptured from the Wild Field. There were not enough people in the empire to develop the lands of the South Russian. And Germany, as a state, did not exist at that time. There were counties, duchies ..

Very much to the point, but I do not agree a bit; there was no state, but there was an Austro-Hungarian empire, but I think my ancestors went simply because people lived better in Russia
and then bam and some sort of curtain in front of people, we are used to leveling everything with either 90 or Ukraine, but what kind of nonsense are people?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Smirnof

and then bam and some sort of curtain in front of people, we are used to leveling everything with either 90 or Ukraine, but what kind of nonsense are people?

Living examples of history, how to live

[alexmach]

Why did the Germans under Catherine II massively migrate to Russia

Such a tendency was in an overpopulated and conservative Europe, to immigrate to the “new lands” and seek prosperity there, not only Germans and not only to Russia immigrated, over the whole North American continent immigrants from Europe settled.

and now all the inhabitants of Russia are trying to migrate anywhere

To begin with, not wherever. Do you know a lot of people who emigrated to, say, Africa? And to Latin America? here it is. Everyone is trying to emigrate to the countries of the "golden billion", and this again is a global trend. And it began long before Putin. Watch at least late Soviet films. "Intergirl" there for example.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Smirnof

and now all the inhabitants of Russia are trying to migrate anywhere

Who authorized you to speak for everyone can be curious?

[Moor]

Quote: Smirnof

To this, I have a simple brain-tearing question for cheers
Why did the Germans under Catherine II massively migrate to Russia and now all the inhabitants of Russia are trying to migrate anywhere

At the time of Catherine (by the way, also German), Germany was not yet, because comrade Otto von Bismarck had not yet been born, who created the German Empire with iron and blood. And there was Prussia and a bunch of small principalities. So the Germans fled to large and rich Russia in the hope of snatching a piece. Now the picture is reversed. Now the Russians (although they can only be considered Russians by citizenship) strive to grab more in their homeland and take them to the same Germany, so that they could fit into a comfortable comfortable life with someone stolen and spit from there towards Russia. You know, when the ship gets into a storm, someone saves the ship, and someone spits on everything and runs to the boats. Someone there first flees from the ship, do not remember? However, there is another category: those who do not do a damn thing at all, but only criticize. Ah, and even hopes for a captain to change - and suddenly the storm abates.

[naidas]

Quote: Smirnof

Why did the Germans under Catherine II massively migrate to Russia

because they organized communism for a single nation in certain territories.
The Swedes under Peter migrated in greater numbers, and under Stalin the German migration reached its peak.

[Ural cossack]

Who's everyone? We work on our land. And the word homeland is not an empty phrase for me, my children and loved ones. What kind of magic to speak for everyone without asking them. Want to go to Germany? I'm not against. But do not decide for me what I want.

[72jora72]

We survive. I am getting all of you oil, so that you rejoice at the present state of affairs, but I don’t have time for this ...

You’re our miner, what we would have done without you, I can’t imagine.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: AST576

I am producing oil for all of you, so that you rejoice at the present state of affairs, but I don’t care ...

So what? The salaries of the oil industry workers have become low? And what do you care? Do you think about people? Do not spare yourself!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: AST576

They lived, Seryog, lived ......... And before they lived, and now we live, not thanks to our authorities, but contrary ... We survive.I get oil for all of you, so you enjoy the current state of affairs, but I’m not up to it ...

Yeah. Get straight away from the keyboard.

Quote: AST576

Yes, finally. A thief is a thief, and a thief chases ... If only they all resigned, what a life would begin!

Is this about Urkaina? Utopia!

[97110]

Quote: LSA57

you probably didn’t live at 90 and at the beginning of 00

And there was also the end of the 80s in our country. When, for example, an operation to redeem vouchers for vodka in one of the districts of Kotlas was provided by a police detachment in 2 cars, led by a major ...

[Dead duck]

Quote: AST576

Yes, much worse

An example is not far ... abroad - Ukraine.

[alexmach]

Something I very often began to repeat the same phrase on this forum

Some nonsense you write here

Firstly, there’s definitely worse where, worse there is always where. Just look around.

Secondly, why is it necessary to look for a simple and indirect solution to any complex problem. For example, in order to improve being in an apartment, you need to make repairs. To make repairs and not to evict some residents and populate others. And do not rearrange furniture in a circle. Obviously? Why is it not obvious in terms of politics?

Look for example at Ukraine. That's where the "residents" are regularly resettled from the Rada to the Prison and vice versa, the change of power, frankly, is enviable. And how did it help them tell me?

Take the entire political elite and completely change to another, and what will you achieve? You’re not changing them for Martians? For immigrants from the same society with the same, if not with large prints of its problems.

It is necessary to solve the real problems of our being, that’s what we need to do. And this is the only constructive step. How and what - this is another, more complicated question.

[Dart2027]

Quote: alexmach

It is necessary to solve the real problems of our being, that’s what we need to do. And this is the only constructive step.

There is a very silly expression that people who consider themselves smart like to quote very much:
“The king is good, the boyars are bad”
They say you’re so stupid, you think that the tsar is good, but in fact he’s to blame for everything, so you need to change all power and everything will be fine right away. At the same time, I recall the cartoon "Ivan Tsarevich and the Gray Wolf 3", the wolf’s reasoning that nothing appears so simply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssQJv02aG9E (14:36)

[BMW535IA]

Look at Ukraine and you will understand what could be worse, worse, worse.

[Incvizitor]

Well go away THESE

These do not go away, they’ll put in another place to edit.

[semenoffdima]

And, of course, new, smart, talented, honest ones will certainly come instead, right? By the way, who are these mysterious “they”?

[svp67]

Quote: semenoffdima

By the way, who are these mysterious “they”?

This is THOSE who have in their eyes a young fire. THIRST OF LIVING AND POWER

[Smyrnof]

This is THOSE who have in their eyes a young fire. THIRST OF LIVING AND POWER

You do not respect in our country 130 million citizens and do not see in the people the alternative other than Anal? You don’t respect yourself because you don’t even see yourself in the role of an honest and worthy candidate for a leadership position, at least as the head of the administration once sculpt Anal here?
It turns out you despise every resident of Russia because in your concept there are two halves of this GDP and all other anal?

[Mestny]

“Everyone else” was well revealed during the pre-election debate, for example.
Is there some more?

[svp67]

Quote: Smirnof

You do not respect in our country 130 million citizens and do not see in the people the alternative other than Anal?

Both on, but where else has 12 million gone? We have 142 million people, and not all of them are CITIZENS ... some are still not mature, others are affected in their rights, for a while. And I really don’t see any alternative now, all the “toys” are kind of ... not real, they don’t have the united military units that the Bolsheviks had ... that is, the parties. There was one, but it also seemed to be "blown away" or "blown away"

[Smyrnof]

Both on, but where else has 12 million gone?

I didn’t count fools and children

[svp67]

Quote: Smirnof

I didn’t count fools and children

Yeah, you are not among the 130 million people of Russia there ... already better. Well, somehow we will live without you

[Stiletto_711]

Name is Alyoshenka,
Full name - Alyoshenka Sonny

[LSA57]

Quote: semenoffdima

And, of course, new, smart, talented, honest ones will certainly come instead, right?

these were sent from Mars, and instead of them real earthlings will come

[Comrade Beria]

What are you able to do yourself, except to shout "......... go away" yes "We are here power"?

It is unfortunate that the time machine has not yet been invented, otherwise it would send you to the early nineties. There too

Quote: AST576

all resigned

[Dashout]

Quote: AST576

Yes, finally. A thief is a thief, and a thief is chasing ... If only they all resigned, what kind of life would begin then! Dreams, dreams ....

Tuleyev is not a thief! This is a worthy person! He pulled Kuzbass out of ruin, pulled helmets from the “war of helmets”, closed unprofitable mines and switched to open coal basins. It is a pity that such a dreamy chantropa started up and multiplied in his shadow, for which there are no restrictions - only grandmothers ...
A worthy man!

[Mar.Tirah]

He was worthy when he represented the Communists. The copper pipes of United Russia of the last decade made him an ordinary nouveau riche. Together with his neighbor Zhvachkin he bred corrupt officials and built palaces. Kemerovo is the poorest region of Siberia, where did you get the idea that he pulled them out? there. One is alarmed, a new one will come, and revenge will be for itself with a vengeance. Alas. this is how the system works.

[Dashout]

You are not right. I was born and raised in Novosibirsk. Kemerovo is nearby. Yes, there was a poor, dirty region: coal and manufacturing. Coal and cast iron + chemistry.
We carried money (cash) to Kemerovo when they (miners) went on strike even under Gorbachev. In the future, Tuleyev headed the region, obtained subsidies and began systematically restructuring the region’s industry, in particular, the very difficult issue of closing old mines was being addressed. He did a lot for the region, but he didn’t do most of what he planned. This is an honest and decent person! Yes, besides, a believer! He has no wealth.

[Mar.Tirah]

.And I'm in Tomsk. In those years everything was destroyed, not only the Kemerovo region, so it was not convincing. Prokopyevsk, Kisilevsk, Kemerovo are clean cities? Be afraid of God, and do not mislead people? And at least sometimes read environmental monitoring. a communist, but he became a believer? Can a person who changes his views to please the political conjuncture and power position be honest? And with what fright did he succeed with subsidies? I saw perestroika. Is this this shopping center so rebuilt? Although this is not his fault , and the general state of the economy in the country, and certainly he is a strong leader among his circle ------ WAS sometime. And the industry was coal and manufacturing. Coal and cast iron + chemistry., As were, and remain the main.

[Dashout]

Quote: Mar. Tira

.Prokopyevsk, Kisilevsk, Kemerovo clean cities?

Yes, I did not say that they are clean ... I mean that Tuleyev proved the need for subsidies for closing coal mines, for retraining, etc. I do not think that he was engaged in economic affairs - this is a politician of the old school. It is possible that the deputies were twisted ...
As for the definitions of "communist", "believer" .. - and who is the right communist now? In the pre-election debate, I saw how some Communists (Communists of Russia) drowned other Communists Zyuganov). I don’t know who is right there, but I see that there are problems even within their party. So who else has betrayed anyone - the big question ..
By the way, hello, neighbor!
The first time I heard about Zhvachkin from the head of Kolpashevsky airport (I forgot what to call, it was a long time ago ...) and by the way, the reviews were very good! And Kolpashevo then lay on his side thoroughly ...

[Mar.Tirah]

I greet each other! I know personally Zhvachkin. How much he manages, how many palaces he builds for himself in unique nature reserves. Here Tuleyev saw it and built it for himself. He was not enough in Mazurovo and built in Lesnaya Polyana. That's what I mean.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Dashout

honest and decent man! Yes, besides, a believer! He has no wealth.

And you did not think that this is a usual cover for someone who created a corrupt system to enrich their relatives and close ones.
In military psychology, a professor told us why the personnel policy in the army is based on the constant movement of officers in the regions. Whether he wants to or not, but within 2-3 years, any boss acquires connections and acquaintances, losing objectivity in decision-making, especially on the economic and rear side. And after 5 years, any unit commander can safely be prosecuted for corruption - there will be 100% violations.
Therefore, no one will believe that all those violations in the shopping center, the "winter cherry" that the officials, the police and the Ministry of Emergencies made, are not directly or indirectly connected with the governor Tuleyev himself. In Kemerovo, after all, not one shopping center, but violations are clearly of a systemic nature.

[lance]

you went too far about any unit commander, there are times when you have to compromise. it all depends on the permissible level of honor of each. Tuleyev pulled the region out of poverty from the second half of the nineties, when the miner's rations consisted of a slice of soy sausage and tea. but this does not mean that I personally support him in everything, I will not forget my personal gold mine, but when it got higher the mine became a state mine. and who else said that Tuleyev will not come to the polls. 1/3 of the population of Kuzbass are elderly who are behind it.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Lance

honor levels

I always thought that honor is a binary quantity - it either exists or does not exist.
And in the 90s it was hard not just a miner. And the officers and all other people who were not connected with the Yeltsin bandits had to earn extra money, plant gardens to feed their families.

[lance]

then relate the honor of an officer of the white and red army.

[ImPerts]

Quote: AST576

A worthy man, you say ... Well, to the people did not go out to talk after the "Winter Cherry" then? Isn't this a royal thing ... ???

Something in Ferguson, no one came out to the people. At first everyone was dispersed by gas, batons ...

[lance]

in Russian, do not kick. no one dispersed anyone, and the people of Tuleyev’s proteges spoke to you, although the water cannons were ready.

[the most important]

Quote: AST576

If they all resigned, what kind of life would begin then! Dreams, dreams .........

Now it’s Tufts next! This is not his understanding of the tasks assigned to the Ministry of Emergencies led to the tragedy. Only a blind person can believe that firefighters turned a blind eye to a total mess just like that ... And if so, then this is already a system. A system throughout the country ... And Puchkov is the main one in it.

[New Year day]

Quote: the most important

Now it’s Tufts next!

He will soon have to answer the uncomfortable questions to the prosecutor's office; his deputy for 1.7 billion was called to account. When should he remember his official duties?

[B.T.V.]

Quote: AST576

If they all resigned, what a life would then have begun!

What ?! Milk rivers, sour banks, bread on trees, no need to work ?!

[Sergey777]

And before you rejoice and claim, you would ask residents of the Kemerovo region. In terms of social protection, they are much better than in Novosib or Altai. Although one and the same person in the leadership puts a lot of pangs on them and then they would forget that he wouldn’t make a positive thing to the local people.

[Non liberoid Russian]

they held a candle when, in your words, Tuleyev became a thief? it’s all very much, and how to prove, so the language is cut to the same place

[Hammerlock]

On March 29, RBC wrote that the decision to resign Tuleyev had been made before the tragedy at the Winter Cherry shopping center, but no indicative dismissal was planned in the near future.

Although the source is still the same

[lance]

they decided to remove the source of the rights of the "disabled person" by timing a new deputy from Yakutia. but the elections, with them how? people have become incredulous ....

[LSA57]

Quote: Silvestr

if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

yeah, what jokes are there after what happened there

[Mestny]

These horses, sylvesters and stasis are few. They need everything to be.
The training manual is simple.
1. if something is done - screaming that little.
2. if a lot has been done, shouting that you don’t need so much, pensioners need money, it’s too late, everyone already has it.
3. if only planned, nothing will happen, everything will be stolen.
And like a cherry on the cake, add the phrase “everything is sad” at the end. This is the main thing.
Whatever the topic. About weapons, about social programs, foreign policy, about anything - a mandatory set of these above phrases.
And they sit almost for days, the same.
Well, what conclusions can be drawn from here? They have nothing more to do, no job or family?
There is only one conclusion - this is work, probably well paid.
Such intensity of hurray of betrayal takes place among these - is it really disinterested?

[New Year day]

Quote: Mestny

These horses, sylvesters and stasis are few. They need everything to be.

did you sleep badly? Where is at least one mention of this?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: LSA57

yeah, what jokes are there after what happened there

Well, at least they let them go themselves, saving their face. How much it could be saved.

[aszzz888]

Silvestr (Sylvester) Today, 08: 01
if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

No, this is not a joke. Tuleyev’s resignation was announced by the central media body.

[Maz]

Waiting for the president, for clues. Here is a fat governor’s soul, he didn’t even want to leave himself ... Beria would have come in handy to Putin. We have a lot of Tuleev ponds

[Comrade Beria]

Quote: Maz

Beria would be useful to Putin

Do not call the devil, he is always there.

[lance]

Kazakhs, this is yours. we have something else ...

[populist]

Silvestr (Sylvester)
A worthy deed!

They finally finished it ... Yes, that’s understandable.
In the course of the investigation, such abysses of irresponsibility and arbitrariness opened up that it was time to resign to Prime Minister Medvedev. It is in Medvedev's responsibility that most of the causes of this monstrous catastrophe are. Medvedev resigned.

[Mestny]

And if Medvedev leaves, will you proclaim Putin’s resignation?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mestny

And if Medvedev leaves, will you proclaim Putin’s resignation?

And what, Medvedev is an effective manager in your opinion?

[New Year day]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And what, Medvedev is an effective manager in your opinion?

and he is on the drum, that Medvedev, that Gref, that Chubais. The main thing is that the suit is sitting!

[populist]

Mestny (Sergey)
And if Medvedev leaves, will you proclaim Putin’s resignation?

Well, why? I'm realist. Recently, all telezombies voted for him. And Medvedev just ... hangs out. And all the causes of the monstrous catastrophe are in Medvedev’s responsibility.

[Spartanez300]

The decision, of course, is not an easy one, because for so many years at this post and the trust of the people has always been, acted honestly manly It’s just that they don’t choose for four terms all the more so with such a result, so you need to thank for the work.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Silvestr

if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

I agree with you .. A serious man, not a talker .. Yes and a year already!
I respect for this step ..
It’s a pity for the kids, “they took a break during the holidays” .. And how many more such shopping centers are “lighters” throughout Russia .. The profit is above all .. Oh Russia!

[72jora72]

And how many more such shopping centers "lighters" throughout Russia .. Profit above all else ... Oh Russia!

And why then have you been going over these shopping centers for years, you see obscenity and are silent. And how the tragedy happened, all became truth-cutters.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: 72jora72

And how many more such shopping centers "lighters" throughout Russia .. Profit above all else ... Oh Russia!

And why then have you been going over these shopping centers for years, you see obscenity and are silent. And how the tragedy happened, all became truth-cutters.

I don’t go to them .. No they just hehe! But I often analyze my apartment (everything is in plastic, almost) .. I’m thinking about how many seconds I will have to push out and save my family before all this “beauty” in case of closure breaks out, etc. ..
And if at night, then there is no chance ..

[Romulus]

Quote: MIKHAN

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MIKHAN (Vitaliy) Today, 09:06 ↑
Quote: Silvestr
if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

I agree with you .. A serious man, not a talker .. Yes and a year already!
I respect for this step ..

Quote: MIKHAN

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MIKHAN (Vitaliy) Today, 09:06 ↑
Quote: Silvestr
if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

I agree with you .. A serious man, not a talker .. Yes and a year already!
I respect for this step ..

not .. well .. you bastard Vitalka do not want a plus put)

[Heterocapsa]

they don’t joke with icons. Although the world has changed.

[sgazeev]

Quote: Silvestr

if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

There is nothing worthy, GDP politely ASKED .. Of course, his great merit saved the coal industry of Kuzbass, but then began to grow into flatterers.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: sgazeev

There is nothing worthy, GDP politely ASKED

That is - allowed to save face.

[Romulus]

Quote: Ingvar 72

save face

That's right, Igor Tuleyev, unfortunately, this is a terrible tragedy .. I didn’t deserve a kick in the ass - the time of him and other long-sitting people, it was time to leave - everything flows, everything changes .. You know me, therefore I won’t translate into Latin)

[New Year day]

Quote: sgazeev

There is nothing worthy, GDP politely ASKED ..

maybe so. I suppose that when the GDP makes a proposal, you cannot refuse it by any means.

[lance]

don't you know that? Tuleyev last two terms sat forever desire .. let's just say the government.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Silvestr

if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

If this is a "joke", then the proportion of truth in it is about 100%, Tuleyev clearly sat up in his chair. It’s time to crawl to the side ...

[siberalt]

In this case, you need to resign together with your government, as you did in Perm.

[SCHNIFER]

The act is most likely forced. And if a member of the high council of EP is taken out of attack, then in the Kuzbass among the officials the investigative committee will arrange decimation

[aszzz888]

In his position, this is the only right decision, although not an easy one.

[Hammerlock]

twenty years in power - a long time. It's time. Although it’s a pity

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Hammerlock

twenty years in power - a long time. It's time. Although it’s a pity

If anyone is sorry, these are people under his rule.

[New Year day]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

If anyone is sorry, it’s people under his rule

God knows him. On Monday, a comrade from Kemerovo tore his shirt for him on his belly. They know better from the inside, we will be presented with

[210ox]

I’ll say this. This person needs to be supported morally. And then I look a lot there were kickers of the old lion .. Yes, and his nephew died there

Quote: aszzz888

In his position, this is the only right decision, although not an easy one.

[New Year day]

Quote: 210ox

Yes, and his nephew died there

niece 11 years

[210ox]

Thanks, corrected.

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: 210ox

Yes, and his nephew died there

niece 11 years

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

In fact, Tanya is not Tuleyev’s niece, but still a distant relative. The son of Tanya’s aunt was the grandson of the governor. Residents of Treschevsky generally say that Tuleyev has a lot of such distant relatives in the Kuzbass.

“Throw you. Well, what kind of niece is she to him. The deceased girl has to him almost a second cousin. He had never even seen her. He has such relatives in Kuzbass, ”the resident of the village shared with“ Moskovsky Komsomolets ”. “If you saw in what house they live, then you would immediately understand that they have almost nothing to do with Tuleyev.”

Already by the fact that Tuleyev called her a "relative" it was clear that he did not know at all who she was and how. It was just necessary to ward off anger, and then the "relative" turned up.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

from the fact that Tuleyev called her a "relative" it was clear that he did not know at all who she was and how. It was just necessary to ward off anger, and then the "relative" turned up.

Oh! Meet you in a quiet place .....

Quote: Silvestr

11 years

[New Year day]

although - what's the difference - the children are all the same and everyone is sorry. I still can’t watch a box with them, tears welling

[aszzz888]

Dmitry, . Yes, indeed a relative died at Tuleyev

https://mir24.tv/.../pri-pozhare-v-kemerove-pogib
la-11-letnyaya-rodstvennica-amana -...
6 days ago - I have a very close relative who died, a girl, "said the governor. Tuleyev did not specify the degree of relationship with the deceased.

it doesn’t matter who the boy or girl is. But it is necessary to be responsible for what happened, and in all likelihood there will be questions for him from the RF IC.

[210ox]

good afternoon . Of course there will be questions ... But take ANY region, what is the situation different with the design of such structures, the observance of all the rules, and the protection appropriately prepared? SYSTEM however .. All governors should be asked questions.

Quote: aszzz888

Dmitry, . Yes, indeed a relative died at Tuleyev

https://mir24.tv/.../pri-pozhare-v-kemerove-pogib
la-11-letnyaya-rodstvennica-amana -...
6 days ago - I have a very close relative who died, a girl, "said the governor. Tuleyev did not specify the degree of relationship with the deceased.

it doesn’t matter who the boy or girl is. But it is necessary to be responsible for what happened, and in all likelihood there will be questions for him from the RF IC.

[aszzz888]

210ox (Dmitry) Today, 08: 35

I completely agree. We have a lot of mess. And the work in this regard is not an edge!

[Sewer krainiy]

Good afternoon hi. Certainly there will be questions ... But take ANY region, what is the situation with the design of such structures, the observance of all the rules, and the protection adequately prepared? SYSTEM however .. All governors should be asked questions.
A beautifully chopped tail - built illegally. Those. the customer and the person who accepted the facility into operation are to blame. The builders worked by hapapp, without documentation and technical supervision ... no one saw anything . They brazenly destroyed all the documentation in state institutions, the "guilty" elite will remain silent, will serve its own, not free, of course, and will come out. Interestingly, there is still documentation for centers with similar fire safety, or they are already self-building ... 100 investigators have a field of activity.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: aszzz888

Dmitry, . Yes, indeed a relative died at Tuleyev

https://mir24.tv/.../pri-pozhare-v-kemerove-pogib
la-11-letnyaya-rodstvennica-amana -...
6 days ago - I have a very close relative who died, a girl, "said the governor. Tuleyev did not specify the degree of relationship with the deceased.

it doesn’t matter who the boy or girl is. But it is necessary to be responsible for what happened, and in all likelihood there will be questions for him from the RF IC.

Perhaps after the resignation of questions will be less, and they will be put softer. I do not believe that the old fox would not stipulate for himself indulgences for his resignation.

[aszzz888]

Captain Pushkin (Peter) Today, 10: 49 Perhaps there will be fewer questions after the resignation, and they will be put softer. I do not believe that the old fox would not stipulate for himself indulgences for his resignation.

Why guess, let's wait until the end of the investigation.

[lance]

you forgot, he is Kazakh. the degree of relationship there is not very important, she is a relative. In Russia, kinship is significantly lower in the social dimension.

[SOF]

Quote: 210ox

I’ll say this. This person needs to be supported morally. And then I look a lot there were kickers of the old lion .. Yes, and his nephew died there

Quote: aszzz888

In his position, this is the only right decision, although not an easy one.

... support ...
Hounded .....

[Maz]

Can you imagine, colleague, the scale of the bribery system in Kemerovo, if this entertainment complex was built there in the center of a regional city without permission? They covered everything, from the police, the prosecutor's office, and the FSB. Not to mention the Ministry of Emergencies and others. And This is only a city, and what is going on in the region ?. For example, to shoot him, put him in jail and confiscate his relatives from all relatives with PR for the whole country, so that others would not be accustomed. He is not a lion, but an old jackal at the head of his own flock of hyenas of healers.

[Hammerlock]

Now name at least one region, only with proofs where this is not (China, for example, is not necessary)

[Mestny]

And what about China? They periodically catch bribes. Does this mean that everyone was caught there? No. It is only clear that there are many of them, as elsewhere.

[SOF]

Quote: Hammerlock

China as an example is not necessary

... yes, you can look at China. How much they fight, how many shoot, and the anti-corruption body, one fig, works and works ...
... this is a worldwide problem, only the scale varies ...

[cedar]

Now the case has turned up for you. Go to the governors of the Kemerovo region. Happy Kemerovo, wise guy ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Maz

Can you imagine, colleague, the scale of the bribery system in Kemerovo, if this entertainment complex was built there in the center of a regional city without permission? They covered everything, from the police, the prosecutor's office, and the FSB. Not to mention the Ministry of Emergencies and others. And This is only a city, and what is going on in the region ?. For example, to shoot him, put him in jail and confiscate his relatives from all relatives with PR for the whole country, so that others would not be accustomed. He is not a lion, but an old jackal at the head of his own flock of hyenas of healers.

Well, you give MAZ a pancake ... You have seen enough in Ukraine and Israel too .. hehe You better not touch Tuleyev! Not that he is a man format to insult him like that .. Your "comrades" usually poison these ... He did everything he could for the region ....

[lance]

Do not level the maz across Kazakhstan, although there are excesses in that direction. but a man ruler must rely on his team, otherwise collapse.

[svp67]

Tuleyev resigned

I can’t say how true this decision is, time will tell. But this is a MAN’s act. If only Sobchak did not want to sit in this place.

[aszzz888]

svp67 (Sergey) Today, 08: 08 New
Tuleyev resigned
I can’t say how true this decision is, time will tell. But this is a MAN’s act.

Apparently a person has a conscience.

[svp67]

Quote: aszzz888

Apparently a person has a conscience.

As before, I respected him very much. But there and in those posts, conscience atrophies ...

[aszzz888]

svp67 (Sergey) Today, 08: 16 As before, I respected him very much. But there and in those posts, conscience atrophies ...

He really experienced a lot for his being in power. Remember how many times there have been fatal mine accidents? Yes, a person does not withstand such loads. It's time to rest, unless of course the court sees otherwise.

[New Year day]

Quote: svp67

But there and in those posts, conscience atrophies ...

she prevents them from working

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: aszzz888

svp67 (Sergey) Today, 08: 08 New
Tuleyev resigned
I can’t say how true this decision is, time will tell. But this is a MAN’s act.

Apparently a person has a conscience.

For some reason, conscience is more often manifested in situations of choice, go to jail or "show conscience."

[avt]

Quote: svp67

But this is a MAN’s act.

Actually, it would have been if he had gone before the elections, leaving the receiver. Neyolov had acted so competently at the time, leaving ,, on the farm “Kobylkin. Believe with“ gardening ”, as in Dagestan they didn’t offer him? I have no doubt that He was offered him almost the last of the “Yeltsin’s appeal of the 90s.” Another thing BEFORE the catastrophe in T.T. he had a rating in Kemerovo like Kadyrov. He squeezed all the elections for 90%. So what if if it weren’t this tragedy, it would be like sitting in a chair until the 20th year.

Quote: aszzz888

Apparently a person has a conscience.

Yes, in such a scenario of a catastrophe, when at least crack, but the ends of outright theft in the creation and work of the notorious ,, Cherries "well, no matter how you hide, ,, conscience" is not at work and does not steer even once. But the fact that he did not know what and how he built and for what kind of bucks, well, NOBODY will convince me. This beaver has not just walked out in Kemerovo since 1997. So that

Quote: aszzz888

conscience

Here it’s just, once again, not at work. With such a resonance, it is simply dangerous not to shake the top, including the main person involved. Moreover, for the FEDERAL authorities and GDP personally, in connection with his public statement, to conduct a real investigation of the tragedy. So, “of my own free will” it still jumped off easily. But BEFORE the election, if I agreed

“Take a sheet of paper in the gray folder,” said Stirlitz, “and write
The following: "Standartenfuhrer! I'm dead tired. My strength is running out. I
honestly worked, but I can’t do it anymore. I want a rest ... "

, there would be solemn farewell with a reward of some sort, For merits to the Fatherland, "some degree.

[aszzz888]

avt Today, 08: 50 So, if it weren’t for this tragedy, I would definitely sit in an armchair until the 20 year.

Therefore, he resigned.

But the fact that he did not know what and how he built and for what kind of bucks, well, NOBODY will convince me.

And "here" for this is the court.

[avt]

Quote: aszzz888

And for this there is a court.

And he needs the prosecutor’s excitement, and the prosecutor needs an evidence base, and the investigating authorities must still collect it, and not according to the concepts, but in accordance with the procedural rules of the current evidence. So he could sit quietly until 2010.

[aszzz888]

And for this there is a court.
And for him, the prosecutor needs to be excited, and the prosecutor needs an evidence base, and the investigating authorities must still collect it, and not according to concepts, but in accordance with the procedural rules of the current evidence.

Gather, you can have no doubt.

So before 2010, he would calmly could sit.

And as for the "calm" - I have slight doubts about this.

[apro]

They took a hard look. And it's better to leave for the good.
About a worthy deed is not necessary. Politics is extremely not worthy contingent.

[New Year day]

Quote: apro

About a worthy act is not necessary

But why? I think that he would have resisted, not in vain asking for forgiveness from Putin. Apparently, prompted.

Quote: apro

politicians are extremely not worthy contingent

politics is generally a dirty business, they lie a lot and promise

[lance]

I apologized purely out of context, did not pass. time has passed, the man is smart and understood and realized, there is no other way. but I repeat again, who said that he will not go to the polls ....?

[Stanislas]

Quote: apro

About a worthy deed is not necessary. Politics is extremely not worthy contingent.

Once in the 90s he voted for Tuleyev in the presidential election. Since that time, nothing has changed my impression of him as a decent person. Your attitude to all politicians choch leads to the question: is it difficult to read articles about the lives of these people and discuss their unworthy matters with such an attitude?

[apro]

Man exists in the system. Moreover, more politicians. And if the system is geared towards degradation, then it’s hard for Krajina to find saints.

Quote: Stanislav

Isn’t it difficult to read articles about the lives of these people and discuss their worthless deeds with such an attitude?

It’s not hard. When it comes to understanding what happened, what will happen and how it will end. Nothing changes. The rut.

[Stanislas]

Quote: apro

it’s hard for Krajina to find saints here

I am not talking about that. But there are repentant sinners, and there are stubborn and even proud of their sin. Tuleyev refers, rather, to the first by this criterion, like Putin, nmv. It’s not for nothing that those who sharpened the system under degradation flock.

[lance]

in politics, the best are chosen from the worst in the country, but ... it is from the worst.

[Comrade Beria]

He had already gathered in May, right after his birthday, but he was in a hurry.

And I must admit that under his leadership the Kemerovo region looks pretty good.

[mamont5]

He had to leave for a long time. Because of his illness, he had not actually been involved in business for a long time, and his deputies were well covered. But, nevertheless, I assumed that he would leave somewhere in six months, when the noise died down, and he himself immediately ... Worthy!

[d1975]

Quote: svp67

Quote: AST576

If they all resigned, what kind of life would begin then! Dreams, dreams .........

Nonsense, nonsense ... and nonsense again. Well ETI will leave, TE will come and it will become even worse. Since TE, they will urgently begin to improve their well-being. In the 90s and zero already passed.

Well, oddly enough, but you're right . That's just our princes live right now.

[Ascetic]

All the same, age and two complicated operations on the spine ... A well-deserved and respected man, he is humanly sorry for him.

[Des10]

Quote: Ascetic

All the same, age and two most complicated operations on the spine ... A man deserved and respected, humanly sorry for him

I’m sorry for the cat, the dog, and the governor for more than 20 years --- this is his patrimony, yes he must know every peg there and --- without his knowledge, nothing will come of it. For 20 years in the AREA!
But mention age and two complex operations --- yes, anyone will say --- this is not an employee or a leader. This is trying to stay in power and - life - is already a dependent person. Relatives do not let go, but the business of communication.
"Fatten", inactive ... of course for an emergency in the capital of the region is not to blame.

[Herculesic]

Absolutely the right decision! I had the courage to leave myself.

[Altona]

Quote: Silvestr

if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

----------------------------------
At least one governor found the moral strength to acknowledge his mistakes and resign. But he is from the old school, there is at least a little ethical standards. Current cynics hold on to a chair until they "leave because of the loss of confidence."

[Dormidont]

Kichi ghost awakens conscience

[IS-80_RVGK2]

And what after Dagestan was it not clear to you that this will happen? If it weren’t for that, I think he would have found himself the moral strength to stay in power. The system is forced to tighten the nuts in order to survive.

[vladimirvn]

Like in the army. Every five years rotation. The system should work first.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Dashout

Quote: AST576

Yes, finally. A thief is a thief, and a thief is chasing ... If only they all resigned, what kind of life would begin then! Dreams, dreams ....

Tuleyev is not a thief! This is a worthy person! He pulled Kuzbass out of ruin, pulled helmets from the “war of helmets”, closed unprofitable mines and switched to open coal basins. It is a pity that such a dreamy chantropa started up and multiplied in his shadow, for which there are no restrictions - only grandmothers ...
A worthy man!

And we know how: I don’t know, I didn’t read .... but I condemn.

[konstantin68]

Quote: Herkulesich

Absolutely the right decision! I had the courage to leave myself.

Enough wisdom to leave myself. And the moment is right, people will appreciate the "male" act.

[Mestny]

Again not praise God?
Well it is!
They shouted - he as a man and a man must resign! Here - gone.
So few? It turns out - did it at the wrong time?

[Comrade Kim]

Quote: Silvestr

if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

Worthy deed, please joke.
Yes, how many years he came out of the water dry:
"Tuleyev’s deputies extorted the cut."
“Cases against deputies is not a good signal for Tuleyev. It is not yet clear what became the root cause of the story. Perhaps it is connected with the Investigative Committee, but the situation is not in favor of Tuleyev. The region had the image of a territory where harmony between government and business was created, losses "The decision on Tuleyev’s resignation can be made at the highest level, and stability issues will play a role here: who is in his place?" - concluded the expert. .
http://www.compromat.ru/page_37483.htm
And so everywhere - if the official supports the general line, he EVERYTHING says goodbye, relatives are attached to the feeders, posts for faithful vassals, and the people, the people in OPE!
And so we live, only the rivers of innocent blood caused an attack of “conscience” in the elders of power.
But this is not for long, everything will be forgotten.

[New Year day]

Quote: Comrade Kim

Worthy deed, please joke.
Yes, how many years he came out of the water dry:
"Tuleyev’s deputies extorted the cut."

we rely on facts presented by the press. She is often subjective. The local knows better, maybe even better than from the Kremlin.

Quote: Comrade Kim

And so everywhere - if an official supports the general line, EVERYTHING is forgiven to him, relatives are attached to the feeders, posts for faithful vassals, and the people, the people in OPE!

but such a system of power is built.
They value themselves higher and are grateful for the honors.
How is it to go out to the people?

[sounddoc]

Dear, yourself not funny? With all due respect, reinforcing your words with a collage of PR images is a bad shot. What does the Boris dove do not get too big, and the mayor of New York travels only in the subway and accidentally gets on the photo?
P.S. You could still put the Patriarch’s clock .....
P.P.S. Not a citizen of Russia, so do not write down Putin bots ...

[lance]

it’s very difficult to understand matters from another region. Having understood the instructions of Tuleyev, both deputies closed the miners and not only the delayed salary from the regional budget, but also demanded that private owners return money to the budget or part of the shares for this amount to the region. but the owners are friends of Medvedev and how? although honestly and Tuleev framed them without interfering in the investigation immediately.

[steelmaker]

The result of the rule of Tuleyev. Well, at least my conscience remained. Old age is the result of our life!

[Dormidont]

What conscience? The choice is small: either for retirement, or for the zone

[lance]

to the zone for what? nihilism of course moves something, but the law provides for personal responsibility. send to the zone for the approval of certain personalities in the posts ????

[kefan]

Something pulled for a long time with the resignation.

[andrej-shironov]

Well, at least one resigned. It is a pity that this does not go further to the federal authorities.

[bald]

By "own will", with God's help. Well, at least that.

[Heterocapsa]

Yes, even if a good leader doesn’t need to sit in such a position already under 70 years old. Young people need to be given a way.

[lance]

it’s even more correct to prepare a shift, but all leaders in the Russian Federation, beginning with the president, are guilty of this. To answer why or guess yourself?

[97110]

Quote: XXXIII

due to the negligence and carelessness of the authorities, the outcome is clear to everyone.

Power, it is complex. I could be wrong, I just remember that the fire inspector (?) Is a federal official. And I also remember that the head of the district did not give him a decree. Where are the sins of the governor, and where is the federal government (Shoigu then commanded fire inspectors?), I hope, they will figure it out. It is up to 53 that Stalin is to blame. And now - naughty! The prosecutor’s office is the first to ask: “Who is responsible for this case?” It is not for nothing that they say that moral standards have been replaced by legal norms. You can laugh, but I’m sure that there is no corpus delicti for Tuleyev. And if there is, it means that lawyers in the Administration were paid in vain. Who carried out building condition checks? Federal officials? Well, show an example of bringing to justice .. And they will show.

[XXXIII]

Yes, I agree that they have different departments, etc., but they are all responsible for working in the field, the chief is always the first to take a hit in such cases. Then the news showed an episode where the prosecutor read out the charge, and so he stated that "one of the fire inspectors was categorical and did not accept the building, and each time he wrote out instructions"but it was removed the day before the building was put into operation. This is how the commissioning of objects takes place, not all of which are fundamental. From experience I will say that 3 out of 10 do not go through teademand to be fulfilled or the facility will be closed, the sanctions of the supervisory authorities can be very tangible for violations. But most of this happens 5 out of 5, not because of bribes, just the owner of the facility does not always consider it necessary to inform the supervisory authorities that he is carrying out repairs that affect the safety of the facility. In general, it turns out that 3 cases of strict control, 5 irresponsibility of the owner or tenant, and 2 cases are already damage and negligence, plus everything else.

[97110]

Quote: XXXIII

but it was removed the day before the building was taken

Who cleaned? Whose signature is on the order? It also unravels instantly. And then the prosecutor says in a gentle voice: "Ivan Ivanovich, you’re an adult!" And they will take for the pink ass the calloused hand of the chief of the said inspector. And not the governor, because - the rule of law! Maybe the governor promised a bunch of material wealth to the guilty, maybe the opposite, but what about the written testimonies of witnesses?

[XXXIII]

Quote: 97110

but what about the written testimony of witnesses?

And here it will be necessary to answer before the law, for the investigation this is the best evidence - a living witness.

[lance]

open the urban planning code and be surprised, firefighters in signing the act on putting the building into operation NO. moreover, this was achieved by the Ministry of Emergencies themselves. why? after 10 days, the inspector arrives and writes out a bunch of comments and ..... he waits for him to close them, personally-eliminated (received in his pocket) or a fine personally or legally (personally 10 times less, which is then reimbursed by a bonus from the general director) also an agreement with fire inspector. so how?

[XXXIII]

Quote: Lance

open the urban planning code and be surprised, firefighters in signing the act on putting the building into operation NO. moreover, this was achieved by the Ministry of Emergencies themselves. why? after 10 days, the inspector arrives and writes out a bunch of comments and ..... he waits for him to close them, personally-eliminated (received in his pocket) or a fine personally or legally (personally 10 times less, which is then reimbursed by a bonus from the general director) also an agreement with fire inspector. so how?

Well, the fireman cannot answer for everything, but he is part of the general supervision, technical supervision and firemen are the most important at the facility. If they come, more often it is known in advance, but when they come unexpectedly, consider that you are .....

[lance]

They made laugh, although they were right. the first question to the firefighters is why anyone was taking people out of the center, but not they, you can check the numbers. the nightingales were the first to notice this. where smoke gas masks during rescue is a second question. after how much the first team arrived in time, the third question. how many firefighters died, the fourth question (albeit provocative).

[XXXIII]

Quote: Lance

the first question to the firefighters is why anyone was taking people out of the center, but not they, you can check the numbers.

Apparently they didn’t work out a training session in this building, when they arrived, they didn’t even know where to go, nor were they acquainted with the building plan possibly.

Quote: Lance

where smoke gas masks during rescue - a second question

Well, they arrived, it seems, 15 minutes after the call (they mentioned it in the news), besides, there was already open fire, but they obviously didn’t have enough speed, maybe the equipment on the first crews was only fighting the fire. And so there in 2 minutes from the smoke it was already possible to endure, but not save .....

Quote: Lance

how many firefighters died, the fourth question (albeit provocative).

Do you think that among the firefighters there is someone who could be scared, it may well be that they are people. But I think that more often they make a cold calculation that they can, where they will be in time, and so they die quite often. To enter a building that can collapse at any moment, you must have a strong will ....

[olimpiada15]

I see no reason for special joy, Tuleyev will be replaced by a new official and not a fact, he will be at least something better than the previous one. For without a doubt, Tuleyev has merits in the region, he was not a continuous source of only troubles in the region. The cause of the terrible tragedy is corruption - this is where the strike must be struck. The starting point of the fight against corruption is the adoption of laws providing for such a punishment, the return damage from which will be irreparable for those involved in corruption. This is a complete confiscation of property, a ban on working in government agencies and private companies of social importance, a lifetime transfer to the budget of 50% of the income received. And no isolation: there is nothing to sit on state grubbing, forced labor. And no mercy: only burnt children can forgive them. Those who issued permits for the operation of the shopping center, who should have, but did not fulfill their obligations to stop the operation of the hazardous facility, together with their supervisors, send for a couple of years to clean the streets and the cemetery where class students who died in that terrible fire lived and were buried.

[moreanda]

RESIDED, however!
However, the BODIES will understand!
Maybe - UNDERSTANDED ??!

[Dzafdet]

And he would have left when asked, and there was no need to burn people .. And all the money ....

[mavrus]

Quote: Silvestr

if not an April Fool’s joke, then a logical and correct decision. A worthy deed!

Tuleyev is generally a worthy governor and person.

[aleks.29ru]

You need to leave on time, as in sports, undefeated.

[Lerych]

He did the right thing. In his fire, an 11-year-old relative died.

[cedar]

Quote: vladimirvn

Like in the army. Every five years rotation. The system should work first.

And the system, or rather the ANTI-system, works ...
You are aware that we choose governors. But you probably don’t know that such elections cost a billion, or even more rubles. Only "our" oligarchs have such money, who, without exception, all financially lie under England, and politically under Washington. They are chosen and go to bow. As a result, the one who pays and orders the music in the province ... Accordingly, through such a system of gubernatorial elections, the naughty saxes have the ability to steer our regions, which they do with success. This is to the question of how free and what can and what cannot be the governor of any region, and what is the sovereignty of all of Russia, and he, as you see, is gulkin to hell.
Moreover, such billions are initially and by definition corrupt. They are thrown into the economy of the region and cannot be creative. They bring only destruction, but this is exactly what Washington and London need to destroy their main adversary, Russia.
See the root, dear ...
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

[ivan0vitch]

There will be a number if Vladimir Vladimirovich does not accept. early Tuleyev retired and a quarter century has not passed. And he will - it’s also good. In Russia, self-government institutions are very well developed and the Smart people will choose the good and heal!)

[Clueless]

The fraer’s greed ruined, I’m talking about our former governor. Instead of leaving his post when he began to get seriously ill, he had a normal rating, received these events, and left with the lowest rating, and was remembered as the governor who called the victims buzaters and crawled (not forgetting to hang noodles on his ears) in front of Putin. There he is dear.
Still, all of his relatives would be transplanted, which purely by chance in the road construction companies cluttered, etc.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Bad

called the victims buzaters

He said about the good-natured opposition "little people", but not about the victims whom they used to organize the rally! Think before you blurt out something. It is unclear what he personally offended you? Maybe you’ll succumb to the governors yourself? And what! Go ahead!

[lance]

and if he goes to the polls and wins, then how do you sing?

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Lance

and if he goes to the polls and wins, then how do you sing?

Are you talking about the avalan? Yes, he will win, but only on the bayonets of a foreign state and the support of naive fools! But really shish!

[lance]

it's not for you, but for the bastard. location below in order of response data

[astronom1973n]

If offended by anything, sorry.

[viktor.]

The governor with a capital letter, such units in Russia.

[SCHNIFER]

Member of the supreme council of the party in power leaves. What does it mean? Decimation among officials in the Kuzbass?

[astronom1973n]

PN,

Quote: PN

Can’t you see this without a personal presence?

How is it? Believe tv and the press, bloggers balabolam? Everywhere is good, where we are not.

[roofing hedgehog]

".... Well, you understand, Petya, it’s better ... than three years in court .." he decided for a long time, before the decision he managed to walk his "lordly" manners before the people who died near and dear ..

[Baloo]

Aman Tuleyev decided to prematurely leave the post of governor of the Kemerovo region in connection with the tragedy in the shopping center "Winter Cherry", RIA Novosti reports.

And that’s all, only he alone? And in the administration of the Kemerovo region there is no one else to resign due to incompetence?

[Clueless]

Quote: astronom1973n

Quote: Bad

called the victims buzaters

He said about the good-natured opposition "little people", but not about the victims whom they used to organize the rally! Think before you blurt out something. It is unclear what he personally offended you? Maybe you’ll succumb to the governors yourself? And what! Go ahead!

Have you been there? This time.
Two - and that our people do not have the right to rallies?
Three - there was a large part of the people who lost their loved ones, or relatives of these people
Four - this swollen mummy, had in mind everyone at the rally, and there weren’t 200 people there, assign a zero to this figure
Five - what offended me? I live in this region, even territories near reserves, villages have been plowed with cuts, the environment is very poor, every third child is born with health problems (open the Rosstat website, see if you don't believe).
Sixth, it’s impossible to open a normal business, for our officials consider it normal to demand money to open something like help, don’t have money, or don’t want to help? Get out
Seventh - two of his deputies and another local oligarch are sitting in jail, among other things, for a raider seizure
etc.
So dear, go work out your silverfish in another place

[someoneV]

You’re a wicked one in “righteous anger,” to take everyone off, to put everyone out. Well, let’s say everything happened because you wanted to think you’d better live, open your own business and remain fair and honest after that? Not sure if new officials will come and over time, everything will slide down to the current situation. It’s not the officials, but in a system in a system that allows these officials to act as they are doing at the moment.

[lance]

three of your seven appear, but otherwise you are the media yourself, well, I understand.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Bad

I live in this land

This is where you live? Well, well, dissatisfied. And if you live here, remember the year 92-97! Personally, I remember well. How exactly did you live in Kuzbass at that time! Is it scary? I want to go back? Or do you not remember these times in view of that you weren’t in the project yet?

[Incvizitor]

I’m wondering who approved such a project for the construction (or repair) of a shopping center building in violation of building regulations from fire hazardous materials and such a placement of a zone for entertaining children, it was not just handed over for operation and there is no such thing on the signing documents without approval .
But after all:

As explained in the Ministry of Construction, since 2009 the Construction Norms and Regulations (Construction Norms and Rules) have been in force in the Russian Federation, which indicates that children's play areas should be placed in shopping and entertainment complexes, multifunctional centers, exhibitions, museums no higher than the second floor and no further than 20 meters from the evacuation exit".



"Most of the children's play areas in Russian shopping centers are located on the upper floors."," Bulat Shakirov, president of the Russian Council of Shopping Centers, told Interfax.



"Traditionally, children's entertainment, cinema, food cord and everything connected with this is located on the top floor - this may be the second, third, fourth, fifth and so on, depending on the parameters of the shopping center. As a rule, this is the third floor, on average. This configuration has the vast majority of Russian shopping centers, this is a world practice, "confirmed Denis Kolokolnikov, chairman of the board of directors of RRG.



According to the expert, firstly, cinemas and children's entertainment require high ceilings. "Secondly, this is due to economic indicators: children's entertainment and cinema pay less than other tenants, but perform an anchor function," Kolokolnikov explained.



“Questions regarding the standards for placement of children's entertainment areas in shopping centers are for designers who defend their projects for examination on the basis of existing Construction Norms and Regulations. Norms exist, but if the project provides for any deviation from them, they are agreed on the basis of STU (special technical conditions - IF), which are developed directly for a specific area of ​​the facility and are coordinated with firefighters and the Ministry of Emergencies, ”commented, in turn, Diana Zaznobina, head of the Shopping Centers department of the Magazin Magazinov company.

[someoneV]

“The overwhelming number of Russian shopping centers has this configuration, this is world practice,” said Denis Kolokolnikov, chairman of the board of directors of RRG. “You yourself answered your question.

[Clueless]

Quote: someoneV

You’re a wicked one in “righteous anger,” to take everyone off, to put everyone out. Well, let’s say everything happened because you wanted to think you’d better live, open your own business and remain fair and honest after that? Not sure if new officials will come and over time, everything will slide down to the current situation. It’s not the officials, but in a system in a system that allows these officials to act as they are doing at the moment.

I don’t need to ascribe my Wishlist, I didn’t say a word, about to remove and plant. But the fact that Tuleyev considered himself, and still considers the king, is that thanks to him, big business easily puts a bolt on the opinion of residents, it is no secret to anyone.
By the way, if he seems to have resigned, but he still has a place in the administration, we have adopted a law there on the so-called "people's governor" so that after his resignation he has an office in the administration, salary, etc. Type will help. OK, huh? Imagine what level of FOOTNESS in this feeding trough, even if such laws are passed.
As for honest officials .. honest, we do not need, for an honest person is the one who tells the truth to everyone. We need decent officials who should do everything possible so that our region is prosperous and people are healthy. The system now is such that a decent one even rarely gets to a city deputy, not like a mayor, a governor.
As for open ... honestly - given our taxes, officials, most likely, the business will “flow” to the same Estonia, where for start-ups before the stage of making a profit, taxes are (not all of course) - 0 percent. And then he opened, and immediately pay, pay, pay. So also personal income taxes raise up to 15 percent, such as on the road .. "Plato" is also on the road, the transport tax is also on the road, excise taxes in gasoline are also on the road. It seems that our officials make red brick roads for themselves to their Emerald cities. Country of taxes and officials :(

Young people are rapidly losing, and not the United States, not NATO, but tsars like Tuleyev, who always consider themselves rights, and impose their will on others, without even asking them if this is the right decision. Or all sorts of Mezulin, Spring, stupid deputies who stick their nose into those areas in which they do not understand (this is me about the Internet)

[sounddoc]

Here, I’ve found an interesting tablet.
As you can see, the mattress fires are an order of magnitude greater, but the death toll ....... There is something to work for fire fighters, there are systemic problems. Dare, the Russians .....

[senima56]

He is to blame or not .... But this is a male act! Well done! But some vice-prime ministers like MuDko- should learn from senior comrades responsibility and honesty!

[ibirus]

A strong man left when a wave of shit subsided, raised by our media and bloggers on the tragedy and death of people. He left with dignity and honor. Youngsters please do not reflect.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Smirnof

We just drove because people lived better in Russia

People did not live better in Russia. Lived hard, hard. It was serfdom. And in the German principalities there were continuous wars. Then everything was inherited by the first son. The rest of the German children went to apprenticeships, sold for landsknechty, wherever they looked .. And then black earth, fertile earth for free ... And the Russian Empress is German .. It’s also important. That's all

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Maksus

In any case, the States remain in their interests and in their income.

The phrase, as it is now customary to say, is "nothing."

Quote: Maksus

The only question is who exactly will receive these incomes and interests ...

Figa ce - "only"
This is the key question

Quote: Maksus

... but in any case, it will be in America, not in the partner country

Not at all a fact. Please note that Trump came to power, in particular, on the slogan "US production revival".
And incomes are obtained in the country where production

[Skarpzd]

Quote: Dashout

Quote: AST576

Yes, finally. A thief is a thief, and a thief is chasing ... If only they all resigned, what kind of life would begin then! Dreams, dreams ....

Tuleyev is not a thief! This is a worthy person! He pulled Kuzbass out of ruin, pulled helmets from the “war of helmets”, closed unprofitable mines and switched to open coal basins. It is a pity that such a dreamy chantropa started up and multiplied in his shadow, for which there are no restrictions - only grandmothers ...
A worthy man!

tell all this to the inhabitants of the northern bush of Kuzbass. can believe.

[Skarpzd]

Quote: Dashout

V. He did a lot for the region, but he didn’t do most of what he planned. This is an honest and decent person! Yes, besides, a believer! He has no wealth.

he did a lot for his entourage and relatives. but in general koment amused.

[Skarpzd]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: LSA57

yeah, what jokes are there after what happened there

Well, at least they let them go themselves, saving their face. How much it could be saved.

you could save your face 10-12 years ago. well, or at least after the corruption scandals of his environment.

[Skarpzd]

Quote: Maz

Do you have any idea, colleague, the scale of the bribery system in Kemerovo, if this entertainment complex was built there in the center of the regional city without permission? Everyone covered, from the police, the prosecutor's office and the FSB. Not to mention the Ministry of Emergency Situations and others. And this is just a city, but what is going on there in the region?

and in the region the same thing is happening as in the regional center. example - Mariinsk. The last mayor (well... for 2 years I didn’t even remember his last name. He stupidly doesn’t exist in the city. He’s making a career) was appointed by Tuleyev from the department of youth policy and sports. the penultimate one is Lapin. local oligarch and friend of Tuleyev. stole on a grand scale. but at least he was local and knew the needs of the city. repairs and landscaping were somehow going well. before him - Dikalo - stole. but he also did something for the city (by the way, during his mayorship, a war was started between the Tuleev mafia and the Moscow mafia over the Mariinsky Alcohol Plant. Dikalo decided to sit on two chairs, for which he paid. The alcohol plant went bankrupt and collapsed. Hundreds of people went out into the street. A couple of guys from Kip came to see me - great specialists). and so yes Tuleyev is our everything.

[Skarpzd]

Quote: cedar

Now the case has turned up for you. Go to the governors of the Kemerovo region. Happy Kemerovo, wise guy ...

Do you seriously think right now that without Putin’s will someone can become a governor???

[Clueless]

Quote: astronom1973n

Quote: Bad

I live in this land

This is where you live? Well, well, dissatisfied. And if you live here, remember the year 92-97! Personally, I remember well. How exactly did you live in Kuzbass at that time! Is it scary? I want to go back? Or do you not remember these times in view of that you weren’t in the project yet?

oo. .I was wondering when they would start covering me up with these facts. Let's also remember the king of peas? I remember too, but this does not mean that everything that I described above should happen in life.

ran out of arguments? ;)

[lance]

Well, well, a new governor has already been appointed. owns 70% of the shares of the coal-mining Neryungri. that is, if you look at it, it is a direct competitor of Kuzbass in the east. We'll see what you'll joke about next in two years.

[Clueless]

Quote: Lance

Well, well, a new governor has already been appointed. owns 70% of the shares of the coal-mining Neryungri. that is, if you look at it, it is a direct competitor of Kuzbass in the east. We'll see what you'll joke about next in two years.

Does Kuzbass have coal or what? We have heavy and chemical industries to hell. There are even enterprises that manufacture protective structures in case of nuclear war.
Another thing is that for some reason you can’t really say from our cities that we live richly. Novokuznetsk is even less developed, and Kemerovo (like the capital of the Kemerovo region) is a complete furry beast, you mean scribe - old trams, trolleybuses, dirty minibuses, a bunch of gypsies, there’s even a small market at the station, shopping centers converted from industrial buildings

[lance]

Can you tell me what kind of income does all the industries you listed besides coal provide to the region? I want to see if you are in control of the situation or if you are talking nonsense about the gypsies.

[Clueless]

Quote: Lance

Can you tell me what kind of income does all the industries you listed besides coal provide to the region? I want to see if you are in control of the situation or if you are talking nonsense about the gypsies.

Nonsense about gypsies? I left the bus station on Wednesday, this nonsense offered me telephone numbers :)) Another nonsense stood at the local small market between the bus and the train station.
Open Rosstat and look. What about the region's income? My dear, are you tired of working off the silver coin? At least find out how taxes are deducted, by what territorial basis and see where these enterprises are located. Then look further at where the revenues of the regions go, and from where they then return in a small part of it.

[lance]

I don’t work off silver coins. I have my own production, in addition to which I do not depend on anyone. two gypsies are of course a lot of camp. But how does it depend on the governor? This is probably a question for the Ministry of Internal Affairs. and otherwise you are 0 based on the answer.

[Pacifist]

Has anyone ever asked a simple question, what does it have to do with it?
Is the unclean toilet in your apartment also his fault? I understand that this is a somewhat absurd comparison, then like this:
Is the governor to blame for the uncollected garbage at your entrance? Or is this still the responsibility of the management company and the specific janitor?
There are very specific culprits in this tragedy, and generalizations are beneficial only to liberoid scum, for inflating slogans like “down with power.”