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31 March 1945, the Red Army donated Danzig to the Poles. Today they remember?

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31 March 1945 of the year the Red Army during the East Pomeranian offensive operation fully completed the capture of the German city of Danzig. A distinctive feature of the operation to seize this city is that the troops of the 2 of the Byelorussian Front entered Danzig not from the east, where the fortifications were located, but from the western direction. After the capture of Danzig, a Polish flag was raised above the city, and after a while the city itself became Polish Gdansk.


During the operation, the Red Army suffered substantial losses - about 10 thousands of soldiers and officers fell on the battlefields near the city and directly on the streets of Danzig.

And in Poland today it is customary to remember about those events, as well as about who owed much of its territory to it? ..

It should be noted that a few months before the end of World War II, the command of the Third Reich at the suggestion of Hitler was turned into a so-called "Festung". This is a walled city with a multi-stage fortification system. The main task of the “Festungs” was that their garrisons had to resist parts of the advancing Red Army for a long time, even when they were completely surrounded. However, the Germans did not succeed in their “Brest Fortress” for a number of objective reasons.

31 March 1945, the Red Army donated Danzig to the Poles. Today they remember?


The Red Army troops, bypassing the city and striking from the west, destroyed all the defensive plans of the Nazis. Danzig fell, and a month later, the Third Reich itself fell.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 31 March 2018 10: 08
    +28
    "Do they remember today?"

    Of course they remember, that is why the monuments to Soviet soldiers are demolished. yes
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      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 31 March 2018 10: 13
        +15
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Territories divided between us and the Germans!

        Germans? What kind of Germans? Why are the Germans? (c) "Brother" laughing
        1. For example
          For example 31 March 2018 10: 19
          +12
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Territories divided between us and the Germans!

          To divide between us and those who came to us with the war and killed tens of millions of our relatives? Are you out of your mind?
          The Germans and other Europeans killed millions of civilians in our country. Our relatives. We must remember this and we must transmit this memory to our children. The Germans are evil.
          Forget it and aggression will be again. They, bastards, are just waiting for this.
          At the end of the last century, we succumbed to Western gossip about the world, freundshafdt and Zhuvachka and immediately lost the country and vast territories.
          Wake up, uncle !!!
          1. krot
            krot 31 March 2018 12: 18
            -1
            We will soon remind both the Poles and others ..
            1. captain
              captain 31 March 2018 17: 01
              +2
              It was not worth giving. Look how much was given to Ukraine and what do we have? The good is quickly forgotten, the bad is remembered.
          2. BAI
            BAI 31 March 2018 12: 59
            +2
            The Germans and other Europeans killed millions of civilians in our country. Our relatives. We must remember this and we must transmit this memory to our children. The Germans are evil.

            1. This is important for the perception of what I will say next - in my family my father and father-in-law fought. The feat of the war veterans is sacred, without discussion.
            And now:
            2. The whole history of mankind is a war of peoples with each other. And what, to fight all my life?
          3. cradle
            cradle April 1 2018 12: 39
            0
            evil is not Germans, but fascists ... they are mattress, for example
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 31 March 2018 10: 26
      +23
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Of course they remember, that is why the monuments to Soviet soldiers are demolished

      On November 10, 1941, Moshensky, senior lieutenant of state security, reported in intelligence intelligence: "5) Among the German units in the Mozhaisk direction, Czechs, Austrians, Finns and Poles began to meet more."
      STAFF OF THE VORONEZH FRONT
      .... Prisoners 1/678 pp 332pd captured 12.7 in the RAKOVO area showed: on July 4 the division received a task from the command of the Southern Group of Forces on the eastern front - to advance as part of the BELGOROD group on KURSK. On the left 332 pd, 255 pd operates, on the right TD SS Great Germany. The national composition of 332 pd: 40% are Poles, 10% are Czechs, and the rest are Germans
      urgently
      Secretly
      Ex. N1
      To: RO Case
      EXPLORATION N199 to 7.00. 12.7.43 years. STAFF OF THE VORONEZH FRONT

      Defector of the 6th company of the 2nd battalion 246 pp 88pd, detained 11.7 in the district VISHNEVKA (east. GLUSHKOVO) at the preliminary interrogation showed: 5.7 as part of the marching company, numbering up to 130 soldiers arrived at 246 pp. The 6th company takes up defense at the front of 2 km. from north CHERRY and further north. The ethnic composition of the company: Germans - 25 soldiers, Ukrainians - 18 and the rest of different nationalities (Serbs, French, Czechs, Poles
      In total, 630 thousand Poles fought on the side of the Third Reich on the Eastern Front. 315 thousand Poles lost by the Wehrmacht on the Western Front, totaling a million

      On the side of the USSR 330 thousand Poles fought.
      220 thousand Poles fought on the side of the allies.
      That is, 550 thousand Poles fought against the Third Reich, and a million fought for the Germans. Draw conclusions who are closer to them
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 31 March 2018 12: 00
        +6
        You, Vadim, are absolutely right when publishing the number of ethnic Poles fighting in the Wehrmacht ... There were 69 thousands of them in our captivity (I won’t check the number from memory) .... The fact is that the Poles were called up to the Wehrmacht (mobilized) living in Pomerania and Danzig (Gdansk). And this, as you know, was the territory of the Reich ... They were called up as citizens of Germany.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 31 March 2018 17: 11
          +3
          hi Dear Nikolai Ivanovich!
          Professor Ryszard Kaczmarek, director of the Institute of History of the University of Silesia, author of the book “Poles in the Wehrmacht”, for example, said about this to the Polish Gazeta Wyborcza: “We can assume that 2-3 million people in Poland have a relative who served in the Wehrmacht. The Germans considered the Poles drafted into the Wehrmacht only until the autumn of 1943. Then from the Polish Upper Silesia and Pomerania joined to the Reich, 200 thousand soldiers arrived. However, the Wehrmacht recruitment continued for another year and on a much wider scale.
          From the reports of the representative office of the Polish government in occupied Poland, it follows that by the end of 1944 about 450 thousand citizens of pre-war Poland were called up to the Wehrmacht. In general, we can assume that about half a million passed through the German army during the war, ”the professor believes. That is, the call was carried out from the territories (mentioned above of Upper Silesia and Pomerania) Silesian, Kashubian or Masurian formations were not created, they served on the same basis with the Germans. 60 Poles — there were soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht. A few thousand Poles in August 280 entered the Second Polish Corps. On the Eastern Front, Poles are noted in the 1944rd Totenkopf SS TD; in the 3th police grenadier division of the SS; in the 4st SS Grenadier Division Bohmen und Mahren and the 31nd SS Grenadier Division 32. Forcibly the Poles, in the Generalgouvernement, were not called up to the Reich. In the SS there was a brigade of the Holy Cross - Brygada Swietokrzyska, from the pre-war Polish fascists. She was part of Narodowe Siły Zbrojne. It was led by Colonel of the Polish cavalry Antoni Szacki, a brigade (30 people) in southern Poland conducted military operations against the Polish Army Ludova. In Jan 820, near Krakow, Narodowe Siły Zbrojne entered into battle with the Red Army, entering into allied relations with the 1945th army corps of the Wehrmacht and retreated to Bohemia and Moravia, where soldiers and officers received the status of SS-Polnisch-Freiwillingen, partially equipped with SS form, but with Polish insignia. The brigade was replenished at the expense of refugees. In 59, the brigade (1945 men) was operatively subordinated to the Feldhernhalle tank corps. The tasks included the fight against Czech partisans and Russian saboteurs. On May 4000, 5, the Poles (1945 people) retreated to meet the US Army, freeing 1417 prisoners, including 700 Poles from the concentration camp Golyszów, taking 167 prisoners captive. The Americans instructed them to guard the prisoner of war camps.
      2. Deck
        Deck April 1 2018 17: 26
        0
        And why, in fact, should these or other invaders be close to the Pole? And everyone declared themselves as the Liberators!
    3. urman
      urman 31 March 2018 10: 33
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      that is why the monuments to Soviet soldiers are demolished.

      Poles? remember? do not tell my hoofs (at the author of the article)
      Well, they are like fools, they only get rich with thoughts, but cherish their unrealizable dream.
      About Poland from Mozh to Mozh winked
      Forever offended.
    4. freddyk
      freddyk 31 March 2018 11: 09
      +1
      that's why they are demolished


      Exactly what to forget. And we cannot stop them.
      1. Slovak
        Slovak 31 March 2018 14: 41
        +1
        Quote: freddyk
        that's why they are demolished


        Exactly what to forget. And we cannot stop them.

        They "remember" that Poland should be from sea to sea and hope to grab
  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 31 March 2018 10: 10
    +14
    Oh Russians, we donated a lot of things to the peoples of the world .. They don’t remember good and now they spit in our souls, they have such a free nature! But now we have become different, it is not in vain that such a screech rises in the world .. FREEZERS from the Russians will no longer! It's time to collect stones men ..
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 31 March 2018 10: 11
    +12
    It is necessary to support the Germans in an effort to regain all the lands that had moved to Poland after World War II! The Germans have better memories, they do not wage war against our monuments.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 31 March 2018 10: 15
      +5
      The offer is certainly interesting. But it is better to consider it after Merkel is thrown out of power and German politics becomes more independent. After that, it would be nice to jointly take on the Anglo-Saxons (especially island).
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 31 March 2018 10: 55
        +1
        Quote: rotmistr60
        German politics will become more independent.

        it never will be. Germany’s gold reserve behind a large puddle (if still intact), striped military bases throughout the country. Germany is actually occupied. and "those bearing democracy) will never let them go
      2. Babalaykin
        Babalaykin 31 March 2018 15: 56
        0
        after it comes an even more loyal chancellor to the Amers, with the French such a theme, the further into the forest, the more firewood.
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    2. win
      win 31 March 2018 10: 17
      +2
      The Germans remember not only Danzig (Gdansk), but also Stetten (Szczecin) and much more ...
      In June of this year, "Wise German", a member of the European Parliament Udo Voigt sent a request to the European Commission on the legality of the FRG's presence in the European Union. He also asked me to clarify whether the European Commission considers the final settlement treaty with respect to Germany, signed in 1990 by the Federal Republic of Germany, East Germany, the USSR, the USA, Great Britain and France. Moreover, it resembles the Polish portal Gazeta. pl, this German deputy demands from Poland return of Pomerania, West and East Prussia, Silesia, Gdansk and Wroclaw, which is "a fairly serious part of our country."
      And Poland demands reparations from Germany for damage suffered by Poland during World War II. 45 billion dollars!
      These are the requests from psheks belay fellow
      1. win
        win 31 March 2018 10: 29
        +4
        Poland claimed German reparations for World War II.
        In response, Russia demanded that Poland pay reparations for False Dmitry belay am
  4. askort154
    askort154 31 March 2018 10: 12
    +8
    "... After the capture of Danzig, the Polish flag was hoisted over the city ..."

    Why on earth ?! Who did this stupid thing? This is a spit on the 10 thousand dead of our soldiers. This once again indicates that soldiers are dying, and politicians decide their fate. Therefore, such a mess in the world.
  5. AlexanderVP
    AlexanderVP 31 March 2018 10: 13
    +3
    First they took half of Poland, then they presented the city. Norm, cho.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 31 March 2018 10: 16
      +13
      Quote: AlexanderVP
      First they took half of Poland

      No need to flood .... Agree - who took what and when ...
      1. AlexanderVP
        AlexanderVP 31 March 2018 10: 20
        +5
        USSR in 1939 g. Took the sovereign territories of Poland. With the help of the army. More questions?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 31 March 2018 10: 23
          +19
          Quote: AlexanderVP
          USSR in 1939 g. Took the sovereign territories of Poland. With the help of the army. More questions?

          Personally, to you and your worthless education, after such an illiterate and immoral statement, no ....
          I would say, "Learn the materiel ...", but you don't need it. Everything is fine with you ...
          laughing
          1. AlexanderVP
            AlexanderVP 31 March 2018 10: 26
            +2
            Yes, you can justify yourself here as you wish, but the fact remains: the Red Army invaded a sovereign state in collusion with Germany. Everything. The rest is already excuses, they say they wanted to protect the people, but these are our former territories, etc.
            Helsinki also bombed with "good" intentions.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 31 March 2018 10: 30
              +11
              Quote: AlexanderVP
              Yes, you can justify yourself here as you wish, but the fact remains: the Red Army invaded a sovereign state in collusion with Germany. Everything. The rest is already excuses, they say they wanted to protect the people, but these are our former territories, etc.

              Antoshka? Matserevich? And are you here?
              wassat
              1. AlexanderVP
                AlexanderVP 31 March 2018 10: 35
                +1
                The drain is counted.
            2. freddyk
              freddyk 31 March 2018 11: 39
              +2
              Helsinki also bombed with "good" intentions

              You won’t be good for everyone. The main thing is that the intentions should be good for their country and people. And Helsinki wanted to be kind; they themselves refused.
            3. ELEZKIY
              ELEZKIY 31 March 2018 12: 12
              +6
              We took our own, learn history. And they didn’t take much of their own. By the way, today Polish Wroclaw, the former German Breslau, originally Slavic Breslavl.
            4. ELEZKIY
              ELEZKIY 31 March 2018 12: 15
              +2
              change the name to adolf, it will be completely to your face
            5. Setrac
              Setrac 31 March 2018 13: 04
              +7
              Quote: AlexanderVP
              red army invaded a sovereign state

              No need to sculpt sufferers of psheks, is this your “sovereign state” just participated in the division of Czechoslovakia, and then howled together “and what for us”?
            6. albert
              albert 31 March 2018 21: 36
              +1
              Quote: AlexanderVP
              Helsinki also bombed with "good" intentions.

              They did the right thing. Let the dates rejoice that we bombed, not the Americans from our B-17s.
            7. myobius59
              myobius59 April 1 2018 11: 13
              +1
              Quote: AlexanderVP
              Yes, you can justify yourself here as you wish, but the fact remains: the Red Army invaded a sovereign state in collusion with Germany. Everything. The rest is already excuses, they say they wanted to protect the people, but these are our former territories, etc.
              Helsinki also bombed with "good" intentions.

              Quote: AlexanderVP
              Yes, you can justify yourself here as you wish, but the fact remains: the Red Army invaded a sovereign state in collusion with Germany. Everything. The rest is already excuses, they say they wanted to protect the people, but these are our former territories, etc.
              Helsinki also bombed with "good" intentions.

              Quote: AlexanderVP
              USSR in 1939 g. Took the sovereign territories of Poland. With the help of the army. More questions?

              Not taken, but returned, ignoramus. Look at the borders of Russia in 1914. You need to know history not only from the age of 39, you donkey. If you are blind, put on your glasses, if you don’t see, knock your forehead against the wall, maybe your vision and memory will return. And change the flag to Bandera. What are you doing under tricolor?
          2. Kerensky
            Kerensky 31 March 2018 10: 30
            0
            So everyone has the right to self-determination?
        2. Tatyana
          Tatyana 31 March 2018 10: 26
          +5
          Quote: AlexanderVP
          USSR in 1939 g. Took the sovereign territories of Poland. With the help of the army. More questions?

          Let the Poles say thanks to the USSR, otherwise the Poles would not exist under the Germans as a people!
          1. AlexanderVP
            AlexanderVP 31 March 2018 10: 34
            +1
            But the Poles think differently, not far away, yes :)
            We are captured with all the goodness of our soul, with the best of intentions, but they do not understand :)
            1. Volodin
              Volodin 31 March 2018 10: 47
              +12
              Quote: AlexanderVP
              But the Poles think differently, not far away, yes :)
              We are captured with all the goodness of our soul, with the best of intentions, but they do not understand :)

              And today, the Poles today think that they, along with the Nazis, did not participate in the section of Czechoslovakia in 1938 ...

              But, what are you going to do, participated ...

              And Stalin is to blame ... That is because bad luck ...
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 31 March 2018 10: 55
                +3
                Quote: AlexanderVP
                But the Poles think differently, not far away, yes :)
                We are captured with all the goodness of our soul, with the best of intentions, but they do not understand :)

                They do not understand only those Poles whose ancestors themselves were Polish fascists and competed with the Nazis in aggression against their neighboring countries and peoples. Descendants, like Russophobe Matserevich - the so-called "Useful Go * OTA" for the USA.
            2. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 31 March 2018 12: 11
              +6
              Quote: AlexanderVP
              But the Poles think differently, not far away, yes :)

              Yes.
        3. Weyland
          Weyland 31 March 2018 13: 19
          +4
          Quote: AlexanderVP
          The USSR in 1939 took the sovereign territories of Poland.

          Avtofigushki: USSR in 1939 returned territories that international right at that time recognized by the soviet and illegally occupied by Poland!
          And we gave the Poles in 195m much more than we took in 1939 (the industrialized Silesia alone was much more valuable than the agricultural “cross-country crosses” - in Pomerania there were also Stettin, Danzig and other large cities)
        4. myobius59
          myobius59 April 1 2018 11: 07
          +1
          You need to know history. not only from the age of 39. You ignoramus forgot that these territories were "donated" by Lenin. Look at the Map of Russia for 1914.
    2. serg.shishkov2015
      serg.shishkov2015 31 March 2018 10: 25
      +10
      We didn’t take any Poland! Stalin gave the order to begin the movement of troops only after the Polish government crossed the border with Romania, that is, Poland DE JURE ceased to exist as a state, it was already a wild field, no man's land!
      1. AlexanderVP
        AlexanderVP 31 March 2018 10: 35
        +1
        Yes, I also heard such an excuse.
        1. family tree
          family tree 31 March 2018 11: 32
          +9
          Quote: AlexanderVP
          Yes, I also heard such an excuse.

          Continue, refute with the facts that the USSR attacked poor Poland and it fiercely resisted. Tell us that the Polish government did not run to London and that the USSR did not stop on the Curzon line. But I heard it’s not rolling here.
          No, I will not prove anything. The burden of evidence is on the claimant. For starters, about half of Poland. No, it’s not the UK, gentlemen do not believe the word. Take action.
        2. serg.shishkov2015
          serg.shishkov2015 31 March 2018 13: 26
          +1
          why otmaza? everything corresponded to legal norms of TOGO time! like the Crimean spring in 2014!
          1. family tree
            family tree 31 March 2018 14: 49
            +2
            Quote: serg.shishkov2015
            like the Crimean spring in 2014!

            Yes you! What are the legal norms? Anglo-Saxon case law has long been around the world.
            Now, if, as in Yugoslavia, you would first bomb Ukraine to smithereens, and then chop off and populate Crimea with Russians, having previously cut out all Crimean Tatars, Ukrainians and others, as in Kosovo, then there would be all legal grounds to recognize Crimea as a Russian protectorate, for there is a precedent!
            By the way, money should not be invested what
            Only, here, Crimea was watered with Russian blood, lengthwise and crosswise, and gave it away, with the hope that the Ukrainians would not betray, but apparently the truth, the Army and Navy, now also Aviation and Strategic Missile Forces. The empire rests on the bayonets of the citizens of the empire.
            1. serg.shishkov2015
              serg.shishkov2015 31 March 2018 15: 18
              +2
              you're right! but now forever, our Crimea and Sevastopol, the city of Russian sailors!
    3. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 31 March 2018 10: 34
      +9
      Quote: AlexanderVP
      First they took half of Poland, then they presented the city. Norm, cho.

      Do you, in general, know the meaning of the word "half"? The question is rhetorical, of course.
  6. BVS
    BVS 31 March 2018 10: 19
    +3
    But was this event not the result of agreements between the USSR, the USA and Great Britain?
  7. BVS
    BVS 31 March 2018 10: 24
    +2
    Could the Red Army COULD give or not give something? Was it in the powers of the Commander of the 2nd Belorussian Front, Marshal of the Soviet Union K.K. Rokossovsky?
  8. BVS
    BVS 31 March 2018 10: 25
    0
    And the Polish city of Lviv who gave the USSR?
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 31 March 2018 10: 30
      +10
      Is Lviv exactly a Polish city? ??
      1. BVS
        BVS 31 March 2018 11: 57
        0
        Until September 19, 1939 he was.
        From Wikipedia -
        According to one version, Lviv was founded by the Galician prince Danila Romanovich in the middle of the XIII century. Around 1272, the city became the capital of the Principality of Galicia-Volyn, part of Poland Krakow and the Commonwealth (1349-1772), part of the Habsburg monarchy as the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria (1772 - 1918), the Western Ukrainian People's Republic (1918), then again part Polish Republic (1919-1939) and Ukrainian State (1941). From 1939 to 1941 and from 1944 to 1991. was part of the Ukrainian SSR. Since 1991, as part of Ukraine.
        From 1941 to 1944 as part of Germany.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 31 March 2018 13: 09
          +9
          Quote: bvs
          the city became the capital of the Galicia-Volyn principality

          Where is Poland, and where is the Principality of Galicia-Volyn? You are not confused by the fact that the Poles by force annexed Galicia, Belarus and so on and so forth, but for some reason you wonder when these lands were also taken from them by force?
          But what am I talking about? Double standards - your mustache.
      2. Rosyjska śmierć
        Rosyjska śmierć April 1 2018 22: 48
        0
        Lviv is one of the Cultural centers of Poland, such as Krakow, Warsaw
        1. Mimohod
          Mimohod April 2 2018 16: 51
          0
          And Danzig and Breslau are German cities .... laughing given to you by such unloved advice, your thankless dog is crooked, unreasonable panov ...
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 31 March 2018 13: 21
      +2
      Quote: bvs
      Polish city Lviv

      с since when Polish? All in all, from 1918 to 1939?
      1. Mimohod
        Mimohod 31 March 2018 17: 14
        +3
        So Daniil Galitsky, having founded Lviv at one time and from the Poles, defended it, so that Lvov is partly part of both Russian history and Russian blood ....
        1. fdgf
          fdgf April 1 2018 11: 25
          0
          Quote: Mimohod
          So Daniil Galitsky, having founded Lviv at one time and from the Poles, defended it, so that Lvov is partly part of both Russian history and Russian blood ....

          So he defended him from the Russians too. Moreover, his principality to "Russian blood"? Would you even look at a map of the distribution of genotypes in Europe, or something.
          1. Mimohod
            Mimohod April 1 2018 18: 20
            0
            So the Russian blood comes from Kievan Rus amiable, the maps of the settlement of Slavic tribes, moreover, they mixed, united, but sometimes they were at enmity and waged wars among themselves and these were the darkest times for them (as for example in our time), they weakened and fell under blows of external enemies, the same Poles for example, read the story at your leisure, all these Slavic tribes are our ancestors - the common Russian-speaking people of Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians ....
            1. Mimohod
              Mimohod April 1 2018 18: 33
              +1
              in principle, the Poles from the Western Slavs, but fell under the rule of the Vatican and have been reformatted over the centuries like the Czechs, nowadays, the narrow-minded Ukrainians (thank God not everyone) dream of getting to the European western paradise on equal terms with the Tolleraists, due to the betrayal of their Russian brothers , Belarusians and the same Ukrainians, but naive they will just take advantage and the virtual fairy tale will end ...
              1. fdgf
                fdgf April 1 2018 19: 51
                0
                Quote: Mimohod
                in principle, Poles from the Western Slavs, but fell under the rule of the Vatican and over the centuries have been reformatted quite well like the Czechs

                "Western Slavs" were called glades.
                And the Czechs are very conditional Slavs. No more than residents of Estonia or Galicia.
                Quote: Mimohod
                Now, the narrow-minded Ukrainians (thank God not all) dream of getting into the European western paradise

                Do you want to live as bad as possible, eat as bad as possible and live in a doghouse?
                No, you want to live better. Why can’t they, and you, can?
                Quote: Mimohod
                due to the betrayal of their brothers Russian, Belarusians and the same Ukrainians

                So I say, you need to evolve.
                Quote: Mimohod
                but they’ll just be naive and the virtual fairy tale will end ...

                Try to give as little advice as possible. Only when asked. And so, look funny with your "prophetic" lamentations.

                Forgive me, but where do you live? I have not seen such a terry scoop for a long time. After all, the Internet works, a trip abroad can be bought freely, any literature is available. Where did you find such a relict? In which bear corner?
                1. Mimohod
                  Mimohod April 1 2018 20: 01
                  0
                  I’ll tell you the secret of Rabinovich, only shhh, you won’t believe in deaf Ashdod good
                  1. fdgf
                    fdgf April 1 2018 20: 38
                    0
                    Quote: Mimohod
                    you will not believe in deaf Ashdod

                    You surprise me. Do you never look around?
            2. fdgf
              fdgf April 1 2018 18: 45
              0
              Quote: Mimohod
              So Russian blood comes from Kievan Rus dear

              Have you studied geography? Where is Kiev and where is Galicia? This time.
              Second, if you mean the blood of Kiev Rus, then write "Russian blood." With one s.
              Because "Russian" (with two "s"), this is a term coined by the Bolsheviks to replace the term "Great Russian". And he has nothing to do with Kiva Rus.
              Quote: Mimohod
              settlement maps of Slavic tribes

              The ancient Slavs, this is not only Rusich, but also a meadow. Ancestors of Poles, Czechs, Slovaks and very partially Rusyns (Galicians).
              Quote: Mimohod
              those same Poles for example, read the story at your leisure, all these Slavic tribes are our ancestors - the common Russian-speaking people of Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians ....

              Gee-gee-gee. It turns out that the Poles are not Slavs. Here is the news.
              And Belarusians, who were actually part of the Litvinians, are more Slavs than Poles. They are also Russian-speaking. I wish their dad was surprised.
              Besides, who are the "Ukrainians"? This is a Bolshevik remake, consisting of Rusich (descendants of Kiev), assimilated Litvinians (consider themselves Little Russians), Cossacks (Don and Zaporizhzhya), Novorossiysk (Surzhiks), Volyn Litvinians, Ruthenians (Galicians), Bukovinian Romanians and Transcarpathian Ruthenians (not relatives of Rusyns) . Maybe I forgot someone else.
              Which of them do you mean when you say "Ukrainian Russian-speaking people"? Are Bukovinian Romanians?
              1. Mimohod
                Mimohod April 1 2018 18: 57
                0
                wrote about the Poles above, you are very inattentive ...
              2. Mimohod
                Mimohod April 1 2018 19: 03
                0
                Quote: fdgf
                Which of them do you mean when you say "Ukrainian Russian-speaking people"? Are Bukovinian Romanians?
                there are no Gdansk Germans and Breslav Poles, you are our great scholar, the border regions of many states are not an indicator of the titular nation, amiable and insidious pan ...
                1. fdgf
                  fdgf April 1 2018 19: 24
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                  Quote: Mimohod
                  there are no Gdansk Germans and Breslav Poles

                  Maybe not now. But they were.
              3. Mimohod
                Mimohod April 1 2018 19: 14
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                Have you studied geography? Where is Kiev and where is Galicia? This time.
                You dear, consider this distance ??? Where are you from San Marino or Monaco ??? In the 13th century, the advanced detachments of Batu reached the borders of Hungary, something like this and perhaps it’s distances, amiable scholar ...
                1. Mimohod
                  Mimohod April 1 2018 19: 16
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                  and from Kiev to Lviv I traveled repeatedly, as well as back ...
                  1. fdgf
                    fdgf April 1 2018 19: 18
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                    Try to travel from Lviv to Poland. Surprise how close it is.
                2. fdgf
                  fdgf April 1 2018 19: 22
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                  Quote: Mimohod
                  In the 13th century, the advance detachments of Batu reached the borders of Hungary

                  So what? In 1942, the Wehrmacht advanced detachments also reached the Volga. From this, what, the right bank of the Volga became German?
                  1. Mimohod
                    Mimohod April 1 2018 19: 37
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                    it’s you who began ernichnye tales about distances and generally something stupid, and here the Teutons on the banks of the Volga, let’s talk about Russians on the Elbe laughing
                    1. fdgf
                      fdgf April 1 2018 19: 58
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                      Quote: Mimohod
                      let's talk about the Russians on the Elbe

                      About the Soviet on the Elbe. This is fundamentally important.
                      And, by the way, the Soviet on the Elbe did not make Germany (East) a scoop. Although enormous efforts were made. And the resources spent on it are also huge.
                      An, they couldn’t. The Germans did not succumb, did not degrade. And this is a very expected result. The USSR did not know classical political economy. Soviet (it was called "p / e of socialism" - a completely classical dregs) knew, but the classic, no. Therefore, all the Soviet spending on the "socialist camp in Europe", it was just another Soviet stupidity. That barrel had no bottom.
                      1. Mimohod
                        Mimohod April 2 2018 07: 30
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                        It’s not so bad in socialism (as you put it, in the scoop) just which ways to go to it, here’s the question and what to lay in the basis of ideology, as well as the example of the Israeli kibbutzim and Swedish capitalist socialism, well, little things in Western Europe there is. And so all this eats up the greedy military-financial imperialism of the Anglo-Saxons who want to live off of third countries, but the freebie ends sooner or later, the world has left the orbit of a unipolar hegemon - that is, the United States, we will see your beloved western paradise in the near future, but you I’m right for the scoop, but in its best understanding and for the new order in the world where one of the guarantors of a stable world, whether you want it or not, will be Russia ...
                    2. fdgf
                      fdgf April 2 2018 08: 36
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                      Quote: Mimohod
                      Not so bad in socialism

                      And loafers are generally good. It’s not necessary to work, but, albeit poorly, they feed it.
                      But this is in the late USSR, in which you remember. In socialism, the period of high oil prices. And under early socialism, Dzhugashvili even shock work was not a guarantee against starvation.
                      As history has shown, this lafa could not go on forever. After the first jump, oil prices collapsed, and socialism along with the USSR collapsed with them.
                      Quote: Mimohod
                      you an example of the kibbutzim of Israel

                      The Israeli kibbutzi without state support will not extend even a month to the liberal bourgeois system of Israel.
                      Quote: Mimohod
                      Swedish capitalist socialism

                      Do not confuse "socialism in the USSR" and "Swedish socialism". There is nothing in common between them. Nothing at all. Just an ordinary Soviet substitution of concepts. It is clear that in the classical sense of the word “socialism in the USSR” there was nothing in common with “socialism” in the generally accepted sense of the word.
                      Quote: Mimohod
                      And so it eats up the greedy military-financial imperialism of the Anglo-Saxons who want to live off of third countries

                      This is normal. Successful always exploits losers. This is the basic instinct inherent in any community, from ants to people. For states, this also works.
                      Quote: Mimohod
                      ir left the orbit of a unipolar hegemon - usa

                      Who told you that?
                      Quote: Mimohod
                      we will see your beloved western paradise in the near future

                      We will be. They told me about the imminent “collapse of capitalism” as a child. And storytellers have already ended in collapse. And capitalism is more alive than all living things.
                      Quote: Mimohod
                      yes you are right i'm for the scoop, but in the best sense of the word

                      Scoop in the best sense does not happen. Scoop, this is hunger (at best half-starved), bad foods, bad things, bad industrial products. And total poverty. The scoop cannot offer anything else. Tested by history.
                      Quote: Mimohod
                      where one of the guarantors of a stable world, whether you want it or not, will be Russia

                      A multipolar world is a utopia. Best case scenario. And at worst, the self-destruction of planet Earth.
                      He never was, never is and never will be. Even in Soviet times, the world was unipolar. Only at the end of 2 MV did its leader change. Everything else, Soviet fantasies.
                      1. Mimohod
                        Mimohod April 2 2018 09: 06
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                        At least a thousand of your arguments, bring me to see how much you love it, they are all on a black and white plane, Socialism is like a red rag to the bull for you, although I had in mind the development of socialism precisely under the capitalist system (China), it doesn’t matter one another if you approach it wisely and don’t wave your sabers, it’s also about you, your beloved capitalist-bourgeois world of our time brings us all the revival of Nazism (Bandera Ukraine), religious radicalism (Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan) imposed among other things by artificially different super-rich world clans trying to catch the golden whale in the troubled waters of world terrorism, which they themselves have funded, which brings to many countries ruined states, cities, hundreds of thousands of dead and tortured, hunger and disease, you dream of quietly staying in a well-fed Europe for a cigar and a cup of coffee, it will touch you too early or hypothetically late, you (the west), for example, tried to destroy Syria, as a result of which a Syrian mercenary and a bandit who fled from the Russian VKS having found himself in a well-fed and indifferent Europe, he will blow up his shahid belt (which quite often happens there already) next to you,
                        And adieu, your bourgeois idylls-position in society, at home, cars, yachts and of course loot ...
                    3. fdgf
                      fdgf April 2 2018 09: 35
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                      Quote: Mimohod
                      Socialism is like a red rag to a bull for you

                      Socialism is in one place for me. It’s just that I understand his rotten essence and do not try, like you, to twist history, passing off negative as positive. History has already put everything in its place. Coming a second time on a mop is stupid.
                      Quote: Mimohod
                      I meant the development of socialism precisely under the capitalist system (China)

                      In fact, in China there is no "socialism" and, moreover, not "capitalism".
                      At the beginning of the 20s, the Bolsheviks, led by Ulyanov, tried to build something similar to the Chinese construction. But later Dzhugashvili broke everything they built.
                      In addition, it seems time to begin to wean from the "Chinese miracle." Gingerbread cookies for China seem to be over.
                      Quote: Mimohod
                      The capitalist-bourgeois world of our time brings to us all the revival of Nazism (Bandera Ukraine), religious radicalism (Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan) imposed among other things by artificially different super-rich world clans trying to catch a golden whale in the troubled waters of world terrorism, which they also funded it brings to many countries ruined states, cities, hundreds of thousands of dead and tortured, hunger and disease, you dream of quietly serving time in a well-fed Europe for a cigar and a cup of coffee, it will affect you hypothetically sooner or later,

                      You need to read more. Educational literature. According to the history of the USSR, for example. Maybe then you will understand that "socialism" starved people in the USSR. Millions stained. And he could have died tens of millions. But the "bad capitalists" delivered so much food to the USSR for free that tens of millions of "good Bolsheviks" did not work out, only millions.
                      People need to be judged by their deeds. And not for fantasies like yours. And leave your "fiery speeches" a la party meeting for the weak with the mind. They will touch them. I am not here, I am out. I already went through all this. And I know the true price of such "speeches" -offenses.
                      1. Mimohod
                        Mimohod April 2 2018 10: 45
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                        Your sick fantasies about the millions that were soaked under socialism in the USSR are very funny, what kind of books did you read as a child, or are you a generation of YouTube ??? For example, I don’t need your worthless and empty advice, I lived under the USSR, my grandmother survived dispossession of my family and famine in 1930, my grandfather died in 1943 near Mogilev, destroying the Teutons who brought us liberal freedoms of Europe, together with the OUN members of western Ukraine in Khatyn, I heard a lot of things from real stories of people who survived this, I’ll repeat it for you, although it’s useless, the world is not black and white as you painted horror stories for some reason about socialism, forgetting that American financial imperialism, your beloved Anglo-Saxon world, unleashed it’s already 2 world wars, destroying tens of millions of people and trying to unleash World War 3, pushing Europe’s foreheads with Russia, wishing to sit behind a large puddle, but I’m sure they won’t succeed, so what kind of system carries more evil to the world is another question, and here are your stupid anti-propaganda campaigns about party meetings, I’m far from this, I’m for the future world of adequate people of any society and order, living for the good and for the good of the whole world and not for the golden billion and the chosen ones mired in the robbery of other countries, in mass executions and murders, in luxury and dirty debauchery and perversions, constantly lurking on the edge of the Great War ...
                    4. fdgf
                      fdgf April 2 2018 11: 04
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                      Quote: Mimohod
                      Your sick fantasies about millions of Soviet citizens who were soaked under socialism in the USSR are very funny.

                      You are just a rascal. Nazi from Ashdod.
                      1. Mimohod
                        Mimohod April 2 2018 11: 15
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                        I am a pacifist, but in a good sense of the word .... laughing if the motherland says, I’ll get into operation with a gun ...
  9. taiga2018
    taiga2018 31 March 2018 10: 32
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    sarcasms ...
  10. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. 31 March 2018 10: 35
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    Sleight of hand and no fraud !!!
    The article should be called as follows: "March 31, 1945 Soviet authority presented taken by the Red Army, Danzig to the Poles. Do they remember today? "
    As if soldiers and generals were solving such issues !!
    But why did the Soviet government make this a question !!!
  11. Mimohod
    Mimohod 31 March 2018 11: 18
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    On March 31, the Red Army completed the operation to capture German Danzig. A Polish flag was hoisted above the city. Do the Poles remember? ...
    In response, the Poles give Russia Russophobic hatred artificially nurtured by new English-speaking masters, which is very recently quoted on the Anglo-Saxon political market, whores that you can take from them ...., and both ...
  12. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 March 2018 11: 20
    +1
    The memory of the rulers and merikatosovskih lovers of Poland is short. angry
  13. ELEZKIY
    ELEZKIY 31 March 2018 11: 48
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    Unfortunately, alas, our memory began to limp. some military graves in Russia began to overgrow with weeds and overgrown. Youth, seem to spit. Recently, he gave a task to one courier, pick up the package. street address Of Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya. In principle, I got used to a lot, but it was a little shocking how he wrote down the address: "Zoe Kosmodemyanskoe St.". kid Rusak, but the smartphone generation ...., b ... b ....
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 31 March 2018 12: 57
      +1
      ELEZKIY (Alexander) Today, 11: 48
      Enough of these. It is necessary to educate. All these ICE exams, pokatushki and study in Nagliya, merikatosii ... What will they teach there? angry
      1. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 31 March 2018 14: 23
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        dope in that system and without the Unified State Examination is complete ,,, I could not resist butting, tired ,, broke ,,, or broke ,,, half of the school textbooks need to be beaten by their authors flat in the mouth in gratitude from teachers, students and parents
    2. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 31 March 2018 19: 24
      +2
      Quote: ELEZKIY
      Youth, seem to spit.

      Well, here, yet so unequivocally. yes Our youth is heterogeneous. Enough, of course, representatives of the herd of consumers, who, for example, do not care who and when won 73 years ago. But there are also enough young people who, fortunately, their parents (and society) gave the right education and instilled, at least, an interest in the history of their country. There are many in the military-patriotic clubs, reconstructive communities and search squads. And yes, I remember perfectly well that under the Soviet Government, everything was just as mixed with youth. Another thing is that then much more attention was paid to the patriotic education of the young generation. Now, however, there are certain advances in this regard, but "soon a fairy tale is affecting, but soon things are being done ..."
      As for the memory, if the article is dated to March 31, 1945, it’s a sin not to recall several events from our history that occurred on this day:
      March 31, 1814 The Russian Army entered Paris
      On March 31, 1940, a GKO decree was issued on the start of mass production of the T-34 tank. Happy Birthday, Thirty Four!
      March 31, 1943 ended the Battle of Rzhev
  14. Berkut24
    Berkut24 31 March 2018 12: 01
    +1
    There is only one lesson - nothing, never, and no one needs to give. In an extreme case, selling "for expensive." For there has never been a case in history that states forever remain friends. And yes. History shows that Poland’s borders have always been temporary. We will wait when they begin another aggravation of greatness and they begin to heal again. Errors can and should be fixed.
  15. DPN
    DPN 31 March 2018 12: 10
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    They will remember when his Germans would return to the FRG and return to their former name., But for now they remember that Russia is an ENEMY for them.
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  17. tagil
    tagil 31 March 2018 13: 12
    +8

    I will leave it here.
    1. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 31 March 2018 13: 33
      +1
      Is it Pan Pilsudski?
    2. tagil
      tagil 31 March 2018 13: 47
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      Yes, the picture is painted in England, after the brave “retreat” of the government from the temporarily occupied territory of “GREAT POLAND”.
  18. Weyland
    Weyland 31 March 2018 13: 24
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    And in Poland today it is customary to remember about those events, as well as about who owed much of its territory to it? ..
    In Poland today it is customary to recall that we gave Danzig to them, but Koenigsberg did not. And when they began to brazenly excite about the lack of historical rights to Koenigsberg in Russia, they heard Stalin’s extremely unpleasant answer: “It’s true - Koenigsberg never belonged to Russia. But Warsaw - belonged"
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  19. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 31 March 2018 13: 25
    +2
    Well, for the sake of fairness, I must say that there are still normal people in Poland .. it makes no sense to blame everyone .... And the helmsmen of this country are just bought freaks, forging themselves loot, and they wanted to spit on everyone else. About the "remember" you can not talk .. Even if they remember, even if they know - they will be silent ...
    The current disgrace into which the politics of Poland has turned is not amenable to intelligible verbal assessments without the use of Russian idiomatic expressions .....
  20. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 31 March 2018 13: 31
    +1
    Today, ungrateful psheks only remember that Russia owes them something ...
  21. fdgf
    fdgf 31 March 2018 14: 46
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    On March 31, 1945, the Red Army presented Danzig taken to the Poles.

    You might think that post-war maps of Europe were claimed in Moscow.
  22. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 31 March 2018 15: 48
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    Psheks don’t remember what to call themselves! They have amnesia! They tasted McDonald's and Coke, they forgot how their mother’s name is! And then somehow Danzig?
  23. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 31 March 2018 15: 50
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    Quote: Tagil

    I will leave it here.

    Class! The very essence of pschecha!
  24. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 31 March 2018 15: 53
    +2
    Quote: bvs
    And the Polish city of Lviv who gave the USSR?


    The workers 'and peasants' red army, led by I.V. Stalin!
  25. Oleg Kozlov
    Oleg Kozlov 31 March 2018 17: 54
    +1
    As the Poles and the whole of Europe remember, we were convinced in practice. But their conscience will not speak ... Where there was a conscience, there ...
  26. Hiller
    Hiller 31 March 2018 20: 28
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    While the USSR existed And the Warsaw Treaty-remember .. Including the example of Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia 1968 .. Now: "who remembers the buffalo killed three weeks ago?" Kipling "Mowgli" ... There’s no one to give a slap to the schoolboy, the uneducated .. alas stopAnd you need, oh, how it is!
  27. prosto_rgb
    prosto_rgb 31 March 2018 21: 35
    +1
    And also Bialystok !!!
    Thanks to Stalin for this! (C)
    Although there is no land corridor to Kaliningrad.
  28. APASUS
    APASUS 31 March 2018 22: 33
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    Such a question is rather strange. Remember and still remember! Especially when questions arise with a return or results ............... they all have one way!
  29. militia2
    militia2 31 March 2018 23: 57
    +3
    1. Fuck with them, with the Poles. The main thing is that we remember.
    2. Does anyone remember that the International Tribunal in Nuremberg established and condemned the shooting of the Poles by the Germans near Smolensk? Here recently I read the materials of the Russian court in our time on this issue. At this court, paper "evidence" was presented that our Poles were shot. Well, they summoned two old grandfathers to the court for examination from the former General Department of the Central Committee of the CPSU, so they took these papers and began to scratch: there are not two spaces in the red line, but three instead of “comrade” it says "T.", the indent from the edge of the paper is not 3cm, but 2cm, the generals and colonels are listed not alphabetically and not by rank, well, etc. Guys, it just so happened that I was a little bit faced with serious paperwork at my previous job, and so, somewhere from the fifth violation in the paperwork, supposedly executed in the Central Committee, I realized - a 100% fake - I’m holding my head! And now officially it’s believed that our people were shot and someone even went to the Poles to apologize and repent. Well is not it nonsense?
    3. In such cases like these, the chief orderly Onishchenko not so long ago helped to refresh the memory of foreign nations. Do you think there are few nitrates in the frozen Polish vegetables and fruits that are in the stores? But the TV is silent about this, I wouldn’t say to all of Russia - do not poison children, do not buy shit! No, here, instead, an advertisement for some Polish chemistry for dishwashers and other craps. Who's guilty? Poles too?
    4. Yes, it is not necessary to smear all of them indiscriminately with black paint; good people also meet there.
    1. Rosyjska śmierć
      Rosyjska śmierć April 1 2018 22: 30
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      What are these good ones?
  30. cradle
    cradle April 1 2018 12: 44
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    Quote: AlexanderVP
    First they took half of Poland, then they presented the city. Norm, cho.

    Not the floor of Poland, but the native Russian lands. Recognized even by Europe along the Curzon line. So the stuffing is not counted. About the legitimacy of Danzing's transmission to the Poles ... the IVS was more visible at that time.
  31. cradle
    cradle April 1 2018 12: 45
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    Quote: fdgf
    On March 31, 1945, the Red Army presented Danzig taken to the Poles.

    You might think that post-war maps of Europe were claimed in Moscow.

    You will be unpleasantly surprised, yes!
  32. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 1 2018 17: 12
    +1
    Poland received 30% of its current territory as a result of the Victory of the USSR. Do they remember that 600 thousand of our soldiers died for the liberation of Poland. Demolition of monuments to their liberators to such a degree of decline is rarely anyone can reach.
  33. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch April 1 2018 19: 57
    +1
    SHORT MEMORY OF THE POLES! They quickly forgot due to WHO survived, they also wanted to get Prussia entirely.
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  35. Rosyjska śmierć
    Rosyjska śmierć April 1 2018 22: 26
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    After the German invasion of Poland began, the Danzig government proclaimed the city a part of Germany. March 30, 1945 during the East Pomeranian operation, Danzig was captured by Soviet troops. In accordance with the decision of the Potsdam Conference, the territory of the Free City of Danzig was transferred to Poland. The city received the Polish name Gdansk.
  36. Rosyjska śmierć
    Rosyjska śmierć April 1 2018 22: 27
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    The free city of Danzig (German: Freie Stadt Danzig; Polish. Wolne Miasto Gdańsk) is a city-state formed on January 10, 1920 according to the 11th section of the 3rd part of the 1919 Versailles Treaty. On its territory were the city of Danzig itself and over 200 smaller settlements of the former German Empire. In accordance with the decision of the League of Nations, the city was not part of either Germany or Poland. However, the city was not independent: it was under the protectorate of the League of Nations and was part of the customs union with Poland. Poland also had special rights in the city. Most of Danzig's population was German
  37. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General April 1 2018 23: 09
    +1
    Something a proud Pole with a not politically correct name is a lot of dubious facts.
    Psche laughing

    Only the Soviet Union gave birth to Poland when the Third Reich killed the Poles.