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Ply! Muzhenko tried himself as a sniper

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Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Viktor Muzhenko decided to personally test the sniper rifle, which, as stated, is beginning to enter into service with individual units of the Ukrainian security forces. According to Muzhenko, in the modern armed forces of Ukraine, special attention should be paid to the development of sniper skills of servicemen.


Ply! Muzhenko tried himself as a sniper


The head of the Ukrainian General Staff said that it was necessary to make changes to the concept of training snipers in the military, adding that the new concept should be implemented taking into account the military standards of the North Atlantic military bloc.

Against the background of testing a sniper rifle for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a mini-conference was held with the participation of representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the manufacturer. During the conference, an assessment was made of the production capacity of the weapons company, the training base for snipers, and the issues of the aforementioned change in sniper training programs in the Armed Forces of Ukraine were considered.



Recall that earlier in the concern "Ukroboronprom" announced the creation of the "newest" sniper rifle VM MP-WOS caliber 7,62х54 mm and barrel length 730 mm. The rate of fire of this rifle is up to 20 shots per minute. In fact, this is a modernization of the Mosin rifle. The first demonstration model of the VM MP-OOS was presented in November 2015 of the year at the New Petrovtsy training ground in the Kiev region.

Results shooting target Viktor Muzhenko not shown.
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  1. Dormidont
    Dormidont 31 March 2018 07: 44
    +2
    Is killer services so expensive?
    1. Vard
      Vard 31 March 2018 08: 14
      +1
      I'm certainly not a sniper ... But to shoot from the bipod ... It's like ..
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 31 March 2018 08: 22
        0
        Quote: Vard
        I'm certainly not a sniper ... But to shoot from the bipod ... It's like ..

        Yes, there are many


      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 31 March 2018 10: 59
        +2
        Quote: Vard
        I'm certainly not a sniper.

        Quote: Vard
        But shoot from the bipod

        What is wrong with bipod?
        If the bipod is well screwed to the trunk, and, as it should, there is a substrate on a hard surface, then this is very good and convenient.
        Here's an example of a sniper of the TsSN FSB ...

        Quote: Vard
        But shoot from the bipod ... It's like ..

        But of course you know better ...
      3. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 31 March 2018 11: 07
        +2
        Quote: Vard
        But shoot from the bipod ..

        If possible, the sniper will settle down generally with GREAT convenience, eliminating as much as possible any unnecessary impact on the weapon ...

      4. Shooting
        Shooting April 1 2018 02: 09
        0
        I, too, am not a sniper, but I will declare with full responsibility that controlling a long-barreled weapon with one hand, even on bipods, at least on any stop is more difficult than using two from a belt. One shot on an unheated barrel, with a "stop", this is the upper class. Maximum at 100 meters 7,5 cm in diameter STP.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky April 1 2018 08: 45
          0
          Maximum at 100 meters 7,5 cm in diameter STP.

          Here put on your favorite horse! Okay...
          I'll tell you such a bike. In Imperial Russia there was a method of "state acceptance". 100 rifles were taken from the factory and disassembled to a screw. Details were mixed. And 100 rifles were going, which were required to put all five into a playing card at 180 steps. Otherwise, the whole party was defective.
          This is me about old Mosinki, if that ....
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack April 1 2018 08: 55
            +5
            Quote: Kerensky
            I'll tell you such a bike

            This is a bike, a campaign ...
            Quote: Kerensky
            sorted out to a screw. Details were mixed. And going to

            Without even mixing the details - goodbye, shooting ...
            Quote: Kerensky
            put all five in a playing card at 180 steps

            Purely on accuracy, or what? And probably they shot at the sheet ... otherwise - see above about sighting.
            And from the machine, otherwise - a subjective factor-s ...
            A strange, in short, "history", although the idea is understandable and, in general, worthy of approval.
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky April 1 2018 08: 59
              0
              Much can still be said, but, IMHO, that's enough.

              Not enough - an interesting topic. Based on the Mosin-Nagan, an AB rifle was created. Especially for the Olympic Games. Also a bike? wink
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 1 2018 09: 02
                +6
                Quote: Kerensky
                Not enough - an interesting topic

                No, I'm passing ... but from a disassembled-assembled rifle, 180 steps, five out of five into a playing card - you really powerfully pushed it good
                1. Kerensky
                  Kerensky April 1 2018 09: 14
                  +1
                  it is you really powerfully pushed good

                  It's not me. There are commission protocols. Copies of which are in the public domain, and the originals are on Rzhevka, where this commission worked.
                  PS
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack April 1 2018 09: 15
                    +5
                    Quote: Kerensky
                    There are commission protocols. Copies of which are in the public domain

                    Do not throw the link? You can in PM, it’s really interesting how this, ahem, was achieved.
            2. Kerensky
              Kerensky April 1 2018 09: 21
              0
              And from the machine, otherwise - a subjective factor-s ...

              Yes, from the machine. And it was there that a rule was born to prevent shooters from reaching targets. I held these Mosinki with an octagonal barrel.
              AND! I almost forgot - aiming was carried out through the bore, as amended. Only then were not the centimeters in the protocols, but all sorts of seedlings with spools ...
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack April 1 2018 09: 24
                +6
                Quote: Kerensky
                Yes, from the machine

                I see ...
                Quote: Kerensky
                aiming was carried out through the bore, as amended

                Pancake belay
                It is not clear ... there is accuracy then - plus or minus bast shoes ...
                Is it really that they shot a sheet? recourse
  2. LSA57
    LSA57 31 March 2018 07: 45
    0
    The results of target shooting by Viktor Muzhenko have not been demonstrated.

    then everything went into "milk"
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 31 March 2018 08: 05
      +3
      Quote: LSA57
      The results of target shooting by Viktor Muzhenko have not been demonstrated.

      then everything went into "milk"

      Our never misses ..!
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 31 March 2018 08: 19
        +3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Our never misses ..!

        so this is ours. we have everything natural
        1. Evdokim
          Evdokim 31 March 2018 08: 31
          +2
          Quote: LSA57
          so this is ours. we have everything natural

          And this would be Muzhenko slingshot advertise, and not shoot from a rifle. hi
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 31 March 2018 08: 42
            +1
            Quote: Evdokim
            And this would be Muzhenko slingshot advertise, and not shoot from a rifle.

            I imagine hubby slingshot and immediately behind urkainu covers pride laughing
            1. Evdokim
              Evdokim 31 March 2018 08: 45
              +2
              Quote: LSA57
              I imagine a hubby and immediately behind urkayna embraces pride

              OOOO Yes, this is the same secret super-duper development of Ukroboronkhlam. wassat
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 31 March 2018 08: 57
                +1
                Quote: Evdokim
                OOOO Yes, this is the same secret super-duper development of Ukroboronkhlam.

                there are many



                1. Metallurg_2
                  Metallurg_2 31 March 2018 10: 10
                  +3

                  The last submarine of the country 404
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 31 March 2018 10: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Metallurg_2
                    The last submarine of the country 404

                    there is another super secret
                  2. Hiller
                    Hiller 31 March 2018 20: 37
                    0
                    this is the country itself 404
          2. Kerensky
            Kerensky 31 March 2018 09: 45
            +1
            And this would be Muzhenko slingshot advertise, and not shoot from a rifle.

            And he didn’t fly into the temple of 8-9 mm. a ball from the bearing, when will you take off your helmet in the heat? And from that slingshot ....
  3. izya top
    izya top 31 March 2018 07: 49
    +3
    Voroshilov shooter, ukroversiya what
    1. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 31 March 2018 10: 13
      +3
      interesting services at least of a traditional nature or adjusted for European values?
    2. Slovak
      Slovak 31 March 2018 14: 09
      +1
      Muzhenko therefore lay. He said, let’s adapt to NATO
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 31 March 2018 07: 54
    0
    Looking for trunks in warehouses? Inventors ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 31 March 2018 08: 02
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Looking for trunks in warehouses? Inventors ...

      Are there doubts that they will not find the right amount? In the event that they dig in the "gardens" .... There certainly are a lot of things hidden from that war
  5. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 31 March 2018 08: 00
    +1
    And where did he get cartridges, they are in short supply.
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 31 March 2018 08: 01
    +2
    I wonder how long it took this "courageous" general to properly prepare for the shooting? Judging by the photo, the belly really interfered. And, once again, the "newest" and, lo and behold, a miracle from old designs.
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 31 March 2018 08: 12
      +8
      Welcome hi The main thing is to show him camouflage. Do they have dash bushes or something?
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 31 March 2018 08: 28
        +3
        hi They have camouflage for all occasions - from ball to field, because the country is waging a "bloody war with the aggressor." Poroshenko loves camouflage, but Turchinov prefers black and preferably more weapons from above.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 31 March 2018 13: 22
          +2
          Yes, Turchinov's camouflage does not suit lol
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 31 March 2018 08: 10
    +1
    He would have made only one shot at himself, and not from this rifle, but from an ordinary pistol! This was the only right thing he could do in his whole life.
    1. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 31 March 2018 13: 21
      +1
      Succeeds even when our troops take Kiev.
      1. Arakius
        Arakius April 1 2018 04: 02
        +1
        Succeeds even when our troops take Kiev.

        And when?
        1. Metallurg_2
          Metallurg_2 April 1 2018 10: 42
          +1
          Kiev will be liberated from the Ukrainian Nazis on November 6, 2018, on the 75th anniversary of the liberation from the German fascists.
          1. Arakius
            Arakius April 2 2018 06: 50
            +1
            In Ukraine, democracy, but in Russia there is quite an authoritarian regime of the fascist type. Start with yourself
  8. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 31 March 2018 08: 24
    +1
    Dome of Rada is preparing to attack. With Nadia - did not work.
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 31 March 2018 08: 28
    +1
    Victor Target Results Muzhenko not demonstrated

    so it didn’t get anywhere laughing
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  11. Sergey985
    Sergey985 31 March 2018 09: 04
    0
    And why are people gloating ????? That's right, almost the whole world has demonstrated the ability to handle weapons of the entire Ukrainian elite. Now no one will be surprised when a strange series of suicides begins.
    1. Metallurg_2
      Metallurg_2 31 March 2018 13: 22
      +1
      I think they will not have time to kill themselves - they will start hanging them earlier on Khreshchatyk.
  12. PalBor
    PalBor 31 March 2018 09: 13
    0
    I read it in a slap: "Victor Muzhenko did not demonstrate the results of the shooting."
  13. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 31 March 2018 09: 20
    +1
    Trained on the Maidan?
  14. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 31 March 2018 09: 22
    +2
    Db!
    The rate of fire of this rifle is up to 20 rounds per minute. In fact, this is a modern revision of the Mosin rifle

    Show me a sniper who shoots 20 AIMS shots from a rifle with a manual reload, a proper power supply and a 5 round magazine per minute? And saucepans believe and continue to jump.
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 31 March 2018 09: 52
      0
      Show me a sniper who shoots 20 min Shots from a manual reload rifle per minute

      It is quite realistic if you do not need to catch the sleeve. You can put sight 5 and peel with 600 in a belt buckle. On the attacking infantry. Maximum with SVD (with manual reloading, I emphasize), you can make 50 shots, the attack will drown.
      1. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 31 March 2018 10: 45
        +3
        It’s real, if you don’t need to catch the sleeve

        Yes Yes. Of course! All snipers catch shells. He who does not catch is a couch expert.
        You can put a sight 5 and peel with 600 in a belt buckle
        Of course, I understand that they do that in Hollywood films. And the sniper makes 50 shots from one place, without changing his position.
        Maximum with SVD (with manual reloading, I emphasize)

        Actually, the SVD is a self-loading rifle, you don’t need to pull the shutter knob to load it after the shot, the automatics reload the rifle after the shot itself.
        50 shots can be fired, the attack will drown.
        I somehow didn’t understand, it’s not catching the cartridge case and manually loading the cartridges into the SVD one at a time without a magazine, can I make 50 aimed shots per minute? Yes, even at a distance of 600 m? What time! To attack the enemy choked, machine guns are not needed at all! And you just need a sniper capable of firing 50 aimed shots from SVD. And the men didn’t know! Urgent need to appoint you to the Ministry of Defense!
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 31 March 2018 10: 49
          0
          And I did not talk about 50 rounds per minute. I talked about the fact that you can really shoot from the SVD by throwing the automation. And the maximum number of shots (before critical barrel overheating) will be 50. Or am I wrong? wink
          1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
            Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 31 March 2018 20: 38
            +1
            I suspect that the fortieth bullet will not fly far, and cutting the barrel at this pace will not last long. Still, a sniper is not intended for shooting like a machine gun. The sniper every shot - "piece work"!
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky 31 March 2018 22: 55
              0
              cutting the barrel at this pace will not last long.

              Well, let's count. It's nice to work with a smart person. Given: 2.400 shots without loss of accuracy (well, we know the detachments from 400 from the shots) + ammunition in 5 stores of 10 rounds + 5 per arm.
              We begin to work with 600. We hit "buckle". Without automation. Ideally, we have 50 hits (I don’t take a manual store yet), it’s a 100% knocked out command staff and those who carry "big and heavy". Every 300th is dragged to the rear two more = 150 Really?
              Time? Until the first mine, which exploded near the position, there are several minutes.
              I repeat, the resource of the rifle is 2.400 shots.
              1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
                Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich April 1 2018 00: 13
                +1
                The enemy is worth a heap and does not understand and see a damn? Yes, and for fifty AIMS of single shots, you need about four minutes in quiet conditions and without reloading, or does your sniper beat MP-8 exercise in the 5-second series? So there the distance to the target is 25 meters, a growth target, a small-caliber pistol and you are alone at the firing line. And, most importantly, the targets do not shoot back and are motionless!
                1. Kerensky
                  Kerensky April 1 2018 00: 31
                  0
                  Well, yes, it's a shame.
                  What did I say? Go.
                  It's nice to work with a smart person.

                  sight 5 and peel with 600 into a belt buckle. On the attacking infantry.
      2. den3080
        den3080 31 March 2018 11: 59
        +2
        when the Buryat equestrian infantry special forces arrive and 50 a minute is usually not enough, so ... somewhere up to 300 rounds a minute the most gaudy heroes of the atomic bomb do.
        20 divisions were drowned in the attack and 700 tanks, and aircraft were not even considered ...
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky 31 March 2018 12: 33
          0
          Flooding, please. For example, the rate of fire of the machine gun named after Hiram Maxim is 666 rounds per minute. A competent machine gunner, during the First World War, could hit through the heads of the advancing infantry, along the opposite slopes of heights, along planes and tanks ...
          1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
            Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich April 1 2018 00: 24
            +3
            A flat path along an INVISIBLE (reverse ramp) target? Oh well! Did you understand what you wrote?
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky April 1 2018 00: 37
              0
              Did you understand what you wrote?

              I am trying. "I am not trembling for myself, I am glad for the Fatherland" (C).
              Nevertheless, I continue to assert that the Maxim machine gun fired on the back slopes and over the head of the attacking infantry. People knew the shooting tables.
              Grigory Evgenievich! Well, you take the shooting tables for this cartridge and evaluate the trajectory!
  15. Old26
    Old26 31 March 2018 10: 12
    0
    Quote: Kot_Kuzya
    Show me a sniper who shoots 20 AIMS shots from a rifle with a manual reload, a proper power supply and a 5 round magazine per minute?

    Well, in a note, no one says that. It is said that rate of fire is 20 rds / min. And not a word that the shots are aimed. Nutrition. by the way from a box magazine for 5 and 10 rounds
    1. Kot_Kuzya
      Kot_Kuzya 31 March 2018 10: 39
      +1
      In fact, loading a clip is much faster than changing a box magazine.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 31 March 2018 23: 06
        0
        Generally, loading a clip is much faster.

        Now, unfortunately, no longer. But we are not faced with such a task, for each shot is from a clean, cold barrel.
        1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
          Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich April 1 2018 00: 31
          +1
          Contradict yourself! It is precisely that a sniper does not fire more than three shots in a row, and that if he is a bad sniper!
          1. Kerensky
            Kerensky April 1 2018 08: 20
            0
            Contradict yourself!

            Not at all. Let's just distinguish army tasks from police officers and everything will become clear. In police tasks in the first place is the "separation" of the villain from the hostage. There, yes, one shot from a clean, cold barrel, a distance of 80 meters on average.
            Army - knock out the command staff and heavy weapons calculations. Distance from 600 meters. It was about her that I spoke.
  16. Fox
    Fox 31 March 2018 11: 14
    +1
    it would be better to test the mortar ... there would be more benefit.
  17. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 31 March 2018 13: 10
    +1
    Considering how many warehouses there are in Ukraine from the USSR, the availability of a sufficient number of "mosin" suitable for alteration is beyond doubt.
    But here is the fact that this is a direct new and Ukrainian rifle .... laughing they obviously got excited. The alteration of "mosinki" is a great many ... Finns are still out there, do not get enough .. Enjoy. In particular, if the trunks are made before the year of commercials 42-43 they will not be demolished. Just take care of the instrument and use it ... Yes, and the cartridge is a classic of the unkilled genre ....
    And then the same story. They sawed off the legacy of the "aggressor", passed it off as a major "peramoga" and, as usual, dragged on the NATO song ...
    NATO has seen this Ukraine on the "bolt" ... big and thick ..
    And the brow in the photo, I would have tapped the heels so that they would lie on the ground and not stick out above the experience ....
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 31 March 2018 23: 10
      +1
      In particular, if the trunks are made before the year of commercials 42-43 they will not be demolished. Just take care of the tool and use it.

      Not! The octagonal old barrel, imperial .... Here is the garna dudoni!
      1. CAT BAIYUN
        CAT BAIYUN April 1 2018 14: 34
        +2
        I apologize, but the octagonal trunk was missing in the mosquito. Perhaps you meant an octagonal breech. Wow ... Thing! But then just a few survived to this day ..
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky April 1 2018 19: 53
          +1
          Perhaps you meant an octagonal breech. Wow ... Thing!

          It was about this imperial rifle that I spoke. Although there is Puteau, but this is a separate issue.
          So, this octahedron was distinguished by a unique purity of manufacture. These rifles were preserved on the territory of the Principality of Finland and Poland, where (as obsolete) participated in the exercises of local civil defense. And, what is noteworthy, was a swimming exercise with a rifle for women (50 meters, if I’m not mistaken), followed by firing at the same 180 steps. (Well, it is necessary to raise the documents of Shyutskor).
          1. CAT BAIYUN
            CAT BAIYUN April 1 2018 20: 55
            +2
            So, this octahedron was distinguished by a unique purity of manufacture.

            I agree with you.
            And plus everything, steel was used in the USM of a completely different quality.
            I just recently held in my hands a chilled with an octahedron on the Stalin line. Year of release was absent.
            1. Kerensky
              Kerensky April 2 2018 03: 18
              +1
              with octahedron

              Year of release was absent.

              Most likely imperial. Specifically, they began to mock this rifle from the 1931th. For the lack of personnel, the worn-out machinery, and "you give the five-year plan in 4 years!" Have already affected. Since then, we have worsened everything for the sake of "percent overfulfillment" ...
  18. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
    Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich 31 March 2018 20: 20
    0
    Imagine this swollen and blue superior shoulder. How will the glass be raised to the glory of "Great Ukraine" now? When I switched from small things to an arbitrary rifle (it was necessary to prepare for the competition) I ate for two months with my left hand. The right one was beaten off for two days, just before the next training session (the coach almost put a pillow under my butt). And the arbitrariness of the cartridge and, accordingly, the return is much less than that of the "mosinki". And this chief of two years, probably, only shot at the adjutant’s cigarettes.
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky April 1 2018 00: 41
      0
      When I switched from small things

      Biathlon 5-6? With Magnum in the store? Familiar to the pain ...
      1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
        Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich April 1 2018 03: 56
        0
        Bullet shooting.
        Arbitrariness, 7,62, "large standard" (3 * 40 plus trial, lying, knee, stand, total 150 shots in 6 / as far as I remember, still 1963 / hours.) I could not rise above the first rank. Shooting at 100 meters. The sight is a diopter, the target is a "ball" for an arbitrary pistol. It was also 300 meters away, but the juniors did not work this exercise and had never seen him shoot. Just once I saw in the qualification for categories. I had a shock! I generally could not imagine that such a shot. As it turned out - you can. The coach performed the “master” in it. It seems PV-8, but I could be wrong.
        1. Kerensky
          Kerensky April 1 2018 08: 32
          0
          Shooting at 100 meters.

          It was also 300 meters

          Then, Grigory Evgenievich, I understand you. This shooting range and distance is famous. In the field, it (infection) may differ from the standard. And then everything goes differently. Unfortunately, I can’t put my trifle even at the shooting range - they have laser swords in their heads and flying ponies .... But this is my problem ... hi
          1. Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich
            Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich April 1 2018 11: 07
            0
            He trained children himself, but with the grandchildren there are similar problems!
  19. Height
    Height April 1 2018 15: 52
    0
    Let him try himself as a candidate for hell. Hands on his shoulders in blood.