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10 percent less. About the innovations of the spring call 2018

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Tomorrow (April 1) a spring draft campaign will start in Russia. In total, it is planned to send 128 thousands of young people between the ages of 18 and 27 to the conscription troops. This is 10% lower than last year’s spring draft. It became known that the military commissariats are planning to call on those young people who previously could not do military service for health reasons. This was announced by Acting Chief of the Main Organizational-Mobilization Directorate of the General Staff (GOMU GSH) of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant-General Yevgeny Burdinsky.


He is quoted RIA News:
We predict that about 3 thousands of such young people will be able to fulfill their military duty.


10 percent less. About the innovations of the spring call 2018


It is noted that we are not talking about young people whose health has not changed or deteriorated since the passage of medical commissions.

An important innovation in the spring conscription 2018 of the year is the norm on the passage by recruits of mandatory professional psychological selection. This rule is designed to improve the psychological work with draftees and to identify those who have serious psychological problems. In the end, we are talking about the general security of service related to the microclimate in military units.

If we talk about other innovations of the call "Spring-2018", then there is an active discussion of the question of lifting the deferment from young people applying for admission to the magistracy.
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  1. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 31 March 2018 05: 59
    +2
    Military service for young people is more useful than mother’s pies! But not all mothers understand this.
    1. hrych
      hrych 31 March 2018 06: 24
      +5
      There is one problem, the army needs motivated volunteers and professionals. And such an army is the most combat-ready. It is also not bad when a caste of warriors is formed in society, not a caste of thieves ragul, as in the USSR, namely people with a certain warehouse of the nervous system, physiology, etc., which is transmitted at the genetic level. There is also an extremely negative experience of the USSR, when there was general conscription and nothing good came of it. We don’t take WWII, this is another story where the personnel of the Red Army were lost in the early days of the war, the people enlisted in large numbers, the warrior caste was formed in extreme conditions, and then these people were massively thrown into civilian life and lost (Marinesco example). Everything is done right in our country, a gradual reduction in the number of conscripts in favor of contract soldiers is going on. However, the rest require serious military training, of course in educational institutions and serious NVP, where “recruiters” should work to select suitable personnel, etc.
      1. 1vlad19
        1vlad19 31 March 2018 06: 53
        +4
        Quote: hrych
        There is also an extremely negative experience of the USSR, when there was general conscription and nothing good came of it.

        I do not agree, in the USSR there was a combat-ready army and, most importantly, there were almost no deviators. When they called me up, they sat at the PTK for a week, then they wrote to 10 draftees for leave for a week and everyone returned, although they knew that we were then flying from Volgograd to Khabarovsk and then a train to Vladivostok. Although later, when I drove from Khabarovsk to the PTK in Vladivostok, I had to shoot them down in a corner and stand in front of them so that they would not run away. One ran away, did not even catch up, let the police catch.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 31 March 2018 10: 44
          0
          Quote: 1vlad19
          I do not agree, in the USSR there was a combat-ready army and, most importantly, there were almost no deviators.

          In the USSR, the army became combat ready not immediately, but only closer to 1942, and then having gained experience and combat capability, it defeated the enemy.
          1. 1vlad19
            1vlad19 31 March 2018 11: 41
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            but only closer to 1942

            The joke was a success. I'm talking about the time when I started the service. And I gave the oath to the USSR, fell on a fault, the second time they did not take the oath.
        2. Bad_santa
          Bad_santa April 1 2018 02: 08
          0
          For health reasons, my father did not approach military service. So in order to join the army, my grandfather (front-line soldier) killed a pig and drove him to the military enlistment office. Father was taken to the construction battalion. He served in Moscow. He said in those days if you did not serve, then they looked at you askance: either the eggs are square, or something is wrong with the head
      2. 210ox
        210ox 31 March 2018 07: 01
        +1
        I agree with you. There should be a reserve of people who have undergone military training in the country. First of all, I consider reviving military training at school.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 31 March 2018 07: 30
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          I agree with you. There should be a reserve of people who have undergone military training in the country. First of all, I consider reviving military training at school.


          First of all, a person’s self-awareness and basic human values ​​arise at his home.
          if the father is the mother, the extended family have a certain way, then most likely he will be transferred to him. man must sense his family, his tribe. to know that he is part of him and to be proud to belong to him. while the very feelings of duty will appear to be a useful member of this society. be able to hold weapons in their hands for self-defense at the right time.
          how to create and hold it among the people is a difficult question. probably this is a function of the character of the group.
          1. Vard
            Vard 31 March 2018 08: 25
            +1
            The experience of Israel in this is indicative ... It seems if a young man comes home on a leave with a gun ... The authority of the army in the Russian Federation will soar to an unprecedented height ...
            1. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich 31 March 2018 08: 40
              +2
              Quote: Vard
              The experience of Israel in this is indicative ... It seems if a young man comes home on a leave with a gun ... The authority of the army in the Russian Federation will soar to an unprecedented height ...


              we raise authority like this:
            2. 1vlad19
              1vlad19 31 March 2018 09: 09
              0
              Quote: Vard
              will come home to the leave with a gun.

              Well, this will not happen, in Israel, there are Arabs nearby. And to myself, at one time, from the shooting we drove past my house, I went out, dined, and the PM with me. Then he went to the service, the benefit was not far away, he cleaned and handed over.
              1. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 31 March 2018 09: 21
                +1
                Quote: 1vlad19
                Well, this will not happen, in Israel, there are Arabs nearby


                why not? the elephant carries his weapon, what is strange about this?
                Kozak without a horse that a soldier without a gun.
                1. 1vlad19
                  1vlad19 31 March 2018 09: 30
                  0
                  Only not with us. Charter. We do not have such a situation that war is at hand.
                2. Vitaly Anisimov
                  Vitaly Anisimov 31 March 2018 09: 34
                  +4
                  Quote: Maki Avellevich
                  Quote: 1vlad19
                  Well, this will not happen, in Israel, there are Arabs nearby

                  why not? the elephant carries his weapon, what is strange about this?
                  Kozak without a horse that a soldier without a gun.

                  Eh Avellyevich, do not compare Russia with Israel .. There you have everything a little differently and crafty created! Your country is artificial and in the event of a serious threat, you can scatter as quickly as you have gathered (having undermined everything and all Arabs))) But we have nowhere to run in Russia, we are and are and will be our historical allies in the dead defense of the Army and Navy .. AND OUR youth understands this perfectly! Youth goes to the Army with pleasure and Glory to God! We will break through and this time put the world on our ears .. soldier
                  1. Maki Avellevich
                    Maki Avellevich 31 March 2018 09: 39
                    +2
                    Quote: MIKHAN
                    Your country is artificial and in case of a serious threat, you can run away just as quickly

                    Eh Meehan, Great Israel and nowhere to retreat!
                    Do you think we will go to the Mediterranean Sea on fins if that?
                    we’ll put enemies as long as necessary and which of us will survive on their graves will grow oranges.
                    ps when he wrote these lines, on the radio as if it were a special song of Ofra Hazy - Am Iasrael Hai!
                    The people of Israel are Alive!
                    1. Vitaly Anisimov
                      Vitaly Anisimov 31 March 2018 09: 54
                      0
                      Do you think we will go to the Mediterranean Sea on fins if that?

                      I would like to watch this spectacle .. laughing
                      The people of Israel are Alive!

                      Living all the living, you can’t argue here .. hehe
                      Well, it's better to listen and see .. I think everyone will like it!
                3. Freeman
                  Freeman 31 March 2018 18: 00
                  0
                  Maki Avellyevich (Dmitry) Today, 09: 21
                  Kozak without a horse that a soldier without a gun.

                  Yes

                  And if a Jew sings Cossack songs -
                  That means the crayfish will soon whistle on the mountain!

                  / A. Rosenbaum /
            3. Freeman
              Freeman 31 March 2018 18: 13
              +1
              Quote: Vard
              The experience of Israel in this is indicative ... It seems if a young man comes home on a leave with a gun ... The authority of the army in the Russian Federation will soar to an unprecedented height ...

              To do this, the government, first of all, must trust its own people.
              Until the 60s, hunting rifles were sold in general stores without references and documents.
              In the 90s, "small things" were seized from schools. HBP replaced by OBZH.
              Why does the "population" need military training? Is it dangerous.
              The army is being transferred to a "contract." The sad fate of the Armed Forces of Ukraine shows what this may lead to. By 2014, the Armed Forces of Ukraine almost completely became “contracted” - And on whose side did it start to fight ?!
        2. My doctor
          My doctor 31 March 2018 19: 50
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          I agree with you. There should be a reserve of people who have undergone military training in the country. First of all, I consider reviving military training at school.

          If the score on the NVP will not affect overall performance, then it will be purple for the guys.
      3. taiga2018
        taiga2018 31 March 2018 10: 59
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        There is one problem, the army needs motivated volunteers and professionals

        it will probably sound a little cynical, but during the war we need well-trained young boys, because a person aged 18-20 is not the same as a person aged 30-40, I judge by myself, because fear is 18 years old he is, but there is also a healthy indifference, and when you are 30-40 years old, excessive caution also appears ...
        1. Vard
          Vard 31 March 2018 17: 44
          +2
          He studied at the techie ... Voenruk fought in the war near Leningrad ... Three times the division was replenished in 18-20 years ... And a month later there remained the backbone of those over forty ... Young die first and foremost ... They have fear no...
          1. taiga2018
            taiga2018 31 March 2018 18: 01
            0
            my grandfather said the same thing, said that they tried to hold them somehow, suggested when to take cover, where to move around with short dashes, but he was of little use, they would stand up and speak ... And the grandfather was not a coward, two medals "For Courage" and the Order of the "Red Star" for cowardice were not given ...
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 31 March 2018 06: 10
    0
    And why less, lack of youth or some other reason?
    1. 1vlad19
      1vlad19 31 March 2018 06: 26
      +2
      The reason is commonplace, they remain on the contract after military service, they have a normal salary, the opportunity to enter a military institute, service housing, etc. for free. Conscripts need less.
    2. hrych
      hrych 31 March 2018 06: 26
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      some other reason?

      Gradual replacement by contractors. 10% per year - the transition completely to a contract-professional army in about a ten-year period (plus / minus).
  3. svp67
    svp67 31 March 2018 07: 29
    0
    It became known that the military commissariats are planning to call on those young people who previously could not do military service due to health reasons.
    This is not clarity. The law has no retroactive force. And if a young man is declared unfit for service, then no one has the right to call him in peacetime. Another, if this young man himself wanted to go through the IHC again, claiming that he was cured of the "incurable disease" and wants to serve in the army of the Russian Federation.
    Well, as required ... here's the updated news:
    Men of draft age, previously sent to the reserve due to health reasons, will be able to voluntarily undergo military service if their condition improves.
    According to the Ministry of Defense, those who wish will need to undergo a medical examination and provide the doctors ’opinions with the military enlistment office.
    The defense ministry estimates that about 3 people previously recognized as "limited fit" will be able to do military service.
    Earlier, Deputy Chairman of the All-Russian public organization “Committee of Soldiers' Mothers of Russia” Andrei Kurochkin said that among those recognized as “partially fit” there are many who want to do military service.
    1. 1vlad19
      1vlad19 31 March 2018 07: 37
      +1
      It is not completely written here, in reality, those who wanted to fulfill their military duty and health now allows them, may come to conscription points, or may not come. We have that 3000 total rejected in 9 years?
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 March 2018 07: 39
        0
        Quote: 1vlad19
        We have that 3000 total rejected in 9 years?

        Of course not. I’ll say more with us, and not all eligible get into the call ... for various reasons.
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 31 March 2018 10: 20
      0
      My friend's nephew was torn into the army, already quarreled with his relatives. But they didn’t. Excess weight. A year later he tried again - no. Now he has lost 16 kg, maybe it will pass. College graduated during this time.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 1 2018 16: 41
        0
        I’m embarrassed to ask, why does he need this? Nothing to do on a citizen?
        1. S-kerrigan
          S-kerrigan April 2 2018 05: 27
          0
          Maybe a person wants to go to law enforcement agencies later?
        2. a housewife
          a housewife April 2 2018 11: 50
          0
          Well, he wants to. Dreaming. Moreover, friends went to the army, and he is like a white crow. And then - maybe nothing. The village, there is work, but of little interest. And they don’t take it on an interesting one if it’s not been in the army. And at home - furnishings ...
  4. IXION
    IXION 31 March 2018 08: 00
    +6
    I don’t know, all of my friends who were taken into the army said that there was nothing to do there and it would be better if they worked and earned money this year.
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 31 March 2018 09: 05
      +2
      they say pretty strange things. Firstly, fairy tales about making it at 18 years old?))) only working specialties without special sn. there they will at least get the opportunity to go on a contract later and get pretty decent money. and many other goodies. In itself, such a statement suggests that it is time for them to grow up and look at life realistically. I recently talked with the military commissar so he says that sometimes he wants to not appear at work at all since the guys who want to run after him and do not take them. life is not given.
      1. would
        would April 1 2018 16: 46
        +1
        they say pretty strange things. Firstly, fairy tales about making it at 18 years old?)))


        And who said that IXION's friends are 18 years old? Perhaps they have already finished colleges and institutes? Yes, probably in a good specialty?

        then go on a contract and get pretty decent money.


        20 thousand not to say that decent money in at least the regional center. Namely, this salary is plus or minus the initial for most contractors. And I know what I'm talking about.

        So it's time for you to grow up and really look at life. There are many specialties, both demanded and not, there are different people both with useful skills and without them. And while nothing remains for one but to go on a contract because they have not graduated from good universities, do not have a good specialty, were born in a small village without work, and so on. others could well have graduated from a very good specialty. My nephew graduated from a university in engineering, immediately after graduation I got a job with white 30 thousand rubles. I don’t know how much they are making now, but I suspect that there are substantially more. I know a person who graduated from a university in a software specialty and was quickly exported from Russia to the United States by his employer and now earns in dollars.

        In the end, a person has personal qualities and one soul lies with the army and he needs this contract opportunity, but the second does not. And this second in the army has nothing to do, only one harm will be.

        The world is not divided into black and white, the same applies to the army. At least the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for sure.
        1. cariperpaint
          cariperpaint April 1 2018 17: 53
          0
          I won’t even argue with you))) I stupidly ignored my words about 18 years and you read the lecture to me.))) but that was the whole point) was not too lazy to write this opus?))
          1. would
            would April 1 2018 17: 57
            0
            Stupidly neglected by direct quotation? lol
            1. cariperpaint
              cariperpaint April 1 2018 19: 56
              0
              exactly. you developed your topic about which I did not say a word) about people who are called upon after graduation, the conversation was not started because that is a completely different category of recruits with a different attitude towards them in parts. radically different. then completely different people, unlike those who just graduated from school. and working with them is completely different.
    2. 1vlad19
      1vlad19 31 March 2018 09: 23
      +1
      Year? And two, two and a half, three? Everything is now for conscripts, study military affairs. There is no need to be on duty at the galley (dining room), no at the Cheka (peeling potatoes), etc. They would earn money, what attitude to the Army, such an attitude to work.
      1. valek97
        valek97 31 March 2018 19: 05
        +2
        Well, you can for 20 years. And it’s good if you train for 2 months, and then suffer garbage and don’t know what to do with people. No training system ...
        1. 1vlad19
          1vlad19 31 March 2018 19: 42
          0
          I don’t know where they were, they constantly train in the Far East, and exits and classes and training. Friends complained, in the BBO exercises every month, not large, as part of a company.
          1. valek97
            valek97 31 March 2018 19: 58
            +2
            A friend served in 2015. 3 months training further sitting on the priest exactly, sweeping the parade ground, standing on the nightstand, physical training. Presented to themselves. Well, since they called in the army, if you please, teach all the time, and not just 2-3 months. Another served in the Navy, said that it was interesting in training, then routine and boredom, there was nothing to do, and this time would have worked better.
            1. karish
              karish 31 March 2018 20: 01
              0
              Quote: valek97
              A friend served in 2015. 3 months training further sitting on the priest exactly,

              I don’t know, served 88-90.
              VKS, Evpatoria -19.
              I can only say good things about the Army.
              The Plan is professional, and indeed about everything.
              I do not regret a single gram.
              DES -3000, Evpatoria -19. Center for long-range colsmic communications.
              Energy platoon fellow
            2. 1vlad19
              1vlad19 31 March 2018 20: 21
              +1
              Navy boredom? 6 months in training, a week on the study of the ship, foremen and midshipman drag on BZZH, exercises, but boring. An exit to the sea. A day later, training anxiety. Bored?
            3. would
              would April 1 2018 16: 54
              0
              This is still lucky. I am aware of systemic situations when just the same in the training there were constant outfits and guards and no training ... and such a "specialist" afterwards arrives at the unit.
    3. valek97
      valek97 31 March 2018 19: 04
      +1
      I agree. Who returned for the most part respond negatively. 3-4 months training and then stupidly barracks, sweeping the floor and all. And there is no further training, no professional, no tactics, no other.
    4. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 1 2018 16: 43
      +1
      Quote: IXION
      my friends who were taken into the army said that there was nothing to do there and it would be better if they worked this year and earn money
      Same. I have two friends and several colleagues who served in the army at different times. None of them said that he was satisfied with the time spent in the army. Like, during this year I could work in some office by profession, get already experience and skills, and so all over again.
  5. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 31 March 2018 08: 23
    +2
    Quote: hrych
    There is one problem, the army needs motivated volunteers and professionals. And such an army is the most combat-ready. It is also not bad when a caste of warriors is formed in society, not a caste of thieves ragul, as in the USSR, namely people with a certain warehouse of the nervous system, physiology, etc., which is transmitted at the genetic level. There is also an extremely negative experience of the USSR, when there was general conscription and nothing good came of it. We don’t take WWII, this is another story where the personnel of the Red Army were lost in the early days of the war, the people enlisted in large numbers, the warrior caste was formed in extreme conditions, and then these people were massively thrown into civilian life and lost (Marinesco example). Everything is done right in our country, a gradual reduction in the number of conscripts in favor of contract soldiers is going on. However, the rest require serious military training, of course in educational institutions and serious NVP, where “recruiters” should work to select suitable personnel, etc.

    It’s fundamentally wrong. In the Union, with its ideology and understanding by each citizen of the Union in which country he lives and what role his Homeland plays in the world, people went to serve without asking about anything, they understood that it was their civic duty. So where does volunteering come in? Did they come from under the stick? Give people faith in the country and they will respond with good will! Now, they’re trying to put, as you say, motivation at the forefront! Previously, patriotism was the motivation, today is only money? You do not share the "motivated" volunteers, and these are probably conscripts, in your opinion, because we have an appeal and a contract, but you have designated professionals! So what kind of motivation should a recruit have? Maybe I didn’t understand your idea and you meant something else? The conscript came into the army to fulfill his civic duty, and not to earn money, the more he is on full state security, as they say, just serve! The contractor, he is a professional, is another matter! This is his profession ... the profession of defending the homeland! In addition to spiritual motivation, they should have material and material motivation, no one argues here ...
    This is generally an incomprehensible conclusion: "It is also not bad when a caste of warriors is formed in society, not a caste of thieves ragul, as in the USSR ..."
    So these raguli were hung by the lyuley to Hitler? When hanging labels, take the trouble to indicate the period of history in which you saw the ragul!
    The war caste in Russia has always existed, but many of the best perished in 1812, and after a little more than 100 years the WWI mowed down the emerging color of the army (remember the same cavalry guards). With our vastness, someone constantly threatened us, unlike the same Americans, not for nothing that the so-called world Zionism has chosen that land beyond the oceans! And with all this, Russia stands, not thanks to the war caste, but thanks to the people-war (the example of Minin and Pozharsky), and the war caste, as such, covered itself with shame in 1825 (Decembrists), and in March 1917, betraying the Tsar, Oath and Russia !!!
    By the way, from many military castes around the world, in some places military juntas have turned out! And in the presence of such a caste in 1993 (your definition of raguli would probably suit her), the Russian people shed blood when the White House was shot!
  6. Freeman
    Freeman 31 March 2018 17: 03
    0
    Quote: Herkulesich
    or some other reason?

    A bit of "conspiracy theories".
    Here is how this news is described on the TV Star website -
    From this year, regarding the categories of citizens who may be called up for military service, amendments have been adopted at the legislative level. The health status of many conscripts has improvedHowever, earlier legislation did not allow them to be called up for military service. On December 29, 2017, Federal Law No. 444-FZ was signed, according to which these citizens can be called up for military service after a medical examination until they reach the age of 27. It is predicted that about three thousand young people will be able to fulfill their military duty, and after - take advantage of all the rights and social guarantees that the legislation of the Russian Federation provides.

    Is this, in connection with what, suddenly, in a certain category of recruits, this year has sharply "improved health"?
    Could it be that the children of our officials who were educated in the West and planned to build a career there?
    And then suddenly a sharp aggravation of relations with this same "West" and the possibility of a career became "under a big question."
    - What to do?!
    - To return “home” and pursue a career in the civil service in the Russian Federation (do you benefit from “education and connections”)?
    - And here is the "little ambush." They did not serve "urgent" in the army, the Russian university with the "military department" did not finish either, and even perhaps, some "bought certificates" in order not to "go" to this very army, because they did not connect their future life with Russia.
    And article 16 of the law "On the state civil service of the Russian Federation" does not allow them to enter the civil service, imposing a number of restrictions. These restrictions were removed from them.
    It will serve such a “child” in some “near-scientific company”. And can
    - take advantage of all the rights and social guarantees that the legislation of the Russian Federation provides.

    IMHO.
    1. would
      would April 1 2018 16: 50
      0
      You would first read this very article 16

      11) recognition of him not having completed military service on conscription, without legal justification, in accordance with the conclusion of the draft board (with the exception of citizens who have performed military service under the contract) - within 10 years from the date of expiration of the deadline set for appeal of the specified conclusion to the draft board of the relevant constituent entity of the Russian Federation, and if the specified conclusion and (or) decision upon appeal of a citizen to the specified conclusion, the draft committee of the relevant subject of the Russian Federation was appealed to the court, - within 10 years from the date of entry into legal force of the court decision, which recognized the rights of the citizen in making the said conclusion and (or) the decision of the draft commission of the Russian Federation of the corresponding subject of the complaint of a citizen to the above conclusion has not been violated;


      That is, this article does not apply to draftees officially deducted for health, and they, with their category "B", have every right to be officials. This article applies solely and exclusively to draft dodgers.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman April 1 2018 19: 36
        0
        rait Today, 16:50
        You would first read this very article 16
        This article applies solely and exclusively to draft dodgers.

        Actually dodgers I chalk in view. Having described a hypothetical option with "purchased" references. hi
        1. would
          would April 2 2018 06: 05
          0
          When a certificate is purchased, an evader is not one; according to this certificate, he is officially written off to the stock with assignment of the fitness category “B” and delivery of a military card. It is for this that help is bought.

          In modern times, a direct, completely purchased certificate without connections at the military registration and enlistment office will not work. Therefore, they take a real disease and pull it on an article, but as you understand, it is possible to interpret some symptoms in different ways, especially if they are difficult to fix objectively.
  7. Secretparadox
    Secretparadox 31 March 2018 19: 05
    +1
    That's right, why do we need those who graduate from the magistracy? We need mindless meat that goes to fight in Syria and Ukraine. Long live His Majesty Vladimir Vladimirovich!
  8. lance
    lance 31 March 2018 19: 41
    0
    urgent service is needed, 3-4 months is an acquaintance with the weapons of the Ozk charging food barracks. and then the Urals was the Ural black soil, marching up to 25 km, 2 times deployed shooting range, a guard with weapons and ammunition mastering the BTR-80 equipment and firing from it and beyond. Yes, and life among men 2 years teaches a lot. 10% is demographics, and a return of 3000 is for the most part students with deferment and without military departments. my nephew also ran for 2 years, it was easier to repay a debt and live in peace.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood April 1 2018 16: 49
      0
      Quote: Lance
      urgent service needed
      Who needs it? You?
      Quote: Lance
      3-4 months is an acquaintance with the weapons of the Ozk charging food barracks. and then the Urals was the Ural chernozem, marching shots up to 25 km, 2 times a range of shooting ranges, a guard with weapons and ammunition mastering the BTR-80 equipment and firing from it and beyond
      And why all this to some kind of clever botanist yesterday who would be better off going to college to get knowledge.
      Quote: Lance
      life among men 2 years
      And what, on the civilian men there are no chtoli? Some women around?
      1. lance
        lance April 1 2018 19: 51
        0
        there are stupid people in civilian life, there are certainly no men without ramie and this is especially for you
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 2 2018 05: 26
          +1
          Quote: Lance
          There are no men of course without ramie and this is especially for you
          Hard case.
      2. lance
        lance April 1 2018 19: 53
        0
        moderators, I understand you, but I don’t know another word. on a civilian de .. bi ..la and no need to fix it. personally to this
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood April 2 2018 05: 28
          +1
          Quote: Lance
          but I don’t know another word
          The fact that your last brains were beaten off in the army is evident by the degree of meaningfulness and the literacy level of your comments.
          Quote: Lance
          de .. bi ..la and no need to fix it. personally to this
          That is precisely why many do not want to join the army so as not to encounter such de ... well, you understand.
  9. serge siberian
    serge siberian 31 March 2018 20: 18
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    What kind of people who don’t understand now ....... there aren’t enough contract soldiers for the whole territory. And conscripts are not called up for training after service. They accept new weapons in recent years, but they don’t want to train. Yes, and the law on public service does not oblige the applicant to serve urgent. Although it was supposed to be such initially, in order to increase the prestige of the army. But the liberals nurses dismissed and removed this position.
  10. Greenwood
    Greenwood April 1 2018 16: 47
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    It's time to go to the contract army. Serve should people who consciously decide to devote their lives to this, well, and receive money for their work. With the proper level of logistics, normal living conditions and earnings, those wishing to join the army will be more than enough. And who does not want to serve, he has nothing to do there. Let it bring benefits to the citizen. Everything should be voluntary.
    1. lance
      lance April 1 2018 20: 05
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      I came to the army from higher education and I perfectly understood what you can bring to where I came. not all the commanders supported, but I was older than the sergeant, and therefore they had to reckon with me after the sergeant's school, physically I am strong. in the special unit, people were stronger, but they also changed their minds about the centuries in the 80s and all went into demobilization with their shoulder straps. neigh two years later when they met how we became attached to us in wagons.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood April 2 2018 05: 29
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        Cool. A fascinating story that does not need to be imposed on others. Everyone has his own life, and everyone should decide whether to join the army or not.
        1. lance
          lance April 2 2018 05: 48
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          I agree with this, but the man is not powerful and does not know how to protect his country? maybe it’s easier for him in geyevrope? they’ll take them to the army for urgent purposes only so that when they have to, they don’t shoot themselves something and diapers with them if they dragged them dry.
        2. lance
          lance April 2 2018 05: 51
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          and yet what does not an army fan do on, a flag of Kazakhstan?