Experimental Ukrainian firearms. Part of 1. Pistols PSH and "Gnome"

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Recently, more and more often you can find information about promising Ukrainian military developments. Frankly, most of them make people smile at least a little versed in military technology and weapons. Nevertheless, if you rewind time a couple of decades ago, then everything was not so sad, immediately after the collapse of the Soviet Union in Ukraine, designers worked on really interesting projects that could develop into something very promising, with sufficient funding. Of course, among these projects there were those that could be “wrapped up” at the stage of creating the layout, but first things first. Let's try to get acquainted in more detail with hand-held firearms, which were developed in Ukraine, but did not find wide distribution, but I propose to start with Shevchenko pistols and the Gnome pistol.

Pistols Shevchenko PSh-4, PSh-45 and others



When it comes to Ukrainian pistols, the Fort in all their variants is first of all remembered, however, Shevchenko pistols are familiar to the Ukrainian consumer, though not at all in the form in which they were originally developed. It would be unfair to bypass the topic of the traumatic PN pistols, thanks to which some confusion has arisen and is now often mixed in a heap and that which relates to military weapons, and that which refers to "rezinoplyuyu." In short, the main feature of the traumatic PN pistols is the so-called direct feed of cartridges into the chamber. That is, the first cartridge in the store is located opposite the barrel axis, the bolt, pushing the cartridge, enters the store, and only after removing the spent cartridge case, the cartridges in the store rise one up. Usually, this design is praised for the fact that the weapon shop has a large capacity while maintaining the pistol's low handle, but, in my opinion, the main advantage of such a decision is somewhat different. Cartridges for traumatic pistols have a bullet deep in the cartridge case, respectively, very often there are problems with feeding the cartridge into the chamber due to the stitching. In this case, such a problem can not arise. But not about the controversial means of self-defense is now talking.

Experimental Ukrainian firearms. Part of 1. Pistols PSH and "Gnome"


The most popular version of the reason for the emergence of pistols PN-4 and PSH-45 is the creation of weapons for participation in the competition for a new pistol for the US Federal Bureau of Investigation, at least, this is very often mentioned. In fact, this gun was originally planned to be positioned as a personal weapon for pilots, since the cartridge 9x18 is clearly insufficient to meet the bear, however, both 9x19 and .45ACP are clearly unsuitable for such meetings, but in any case, better. The main problem that the designer tried to solve was the low burning rate of the powder composition at extremely low temperatures. The simplest solution to this problem, when using non-special ammunition, would be an increase in the barrel length of the weapon, and, of course, the use of cartridges exceeding 9x18 in their parameters.

Subsequently, the weapon was retrained in a full-fledged combat pistol. Separate emphasis was placed on the fact that, thanks to the longer barrel, the bullet accelerates to greater speed, and as a result, will have higher armor-piercing qualities. The statement is certainly true, but practically a speed increase of a couple of tens of meters per second will have very little effect on the final result of the hit, but advertising is advertising.



Regarding the participation of this gun in the competition for the new weapons for the FBI, it is impossible to say anything concrete. It is possible that the Design Office of special equipment did apply for participation, but at least there is no evidence to confirm the participation itself. Nevertheless, even just submitting an application to participate in the contest played into the hands of the weapon, since it’s an advertisement back, because now it’s not just a Ukrainian pistol, but a pistol that could become a weapon for the employees of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Despite the fact that much was written about this pistol, even too much, the weapon did not find recognition either at home or abroad. But, it is impossible to ignore the fact that at the moment Boberg Engineering is producing a gun with a similar ammunition supply system, although this weapon has nothing to do with the PN except for the ammunition supply system. These pistols are positioned as a small-sized weapon with the barrel length inherent in full-sized models of pistols.

The appearance of the gun Shevchenko

The appearance of the weapon, by modern standards, can hardly be called presentable. If we consider this gun as a full-fledged combat gun, then immediately two questions arise: will a toothbrush be suitable for cleaning dirt from the external surfaces of the gun and after how many days will the protective coating of the weapon begin to peel? But the pistol has a really interesting and memorable angular appearance, due to which it cannot be confused with any other model of weapon.



It is worth noting that for all the time that Shevchenko’s pistols were working on weapons, separate elements appeared and disappeared, for example, an element such as the cocking button of the firing pin, located under the middle finger of the hand holding the weapon, and a clip around it. Changed the position of the switch fuse and so on. I propose to consider each element separately, but its presence or absence for each weapon variant can be determined visually.

The first thing that catches your eye when considering Shevchenko pistols is a ribbed casing around the barrel. This element is made of aluminum alloy and its purpose is quite obvious - the barrel is cooled even with intensive firing. This detail is relevant in weapons with the possibility of automatic fire, but not in the design of the gun. However, its presence can be explained by the arrangement in which the overheated barrel could theoretically lead to an explosion of the cartridge first in the store, so perhaps this casing around the barrel is really a necessary element that could not be abandoned.

The second element that is puzzling is the presence of two trigger keys in the design. In fact, the trigger key is only one and it is in its usual place, the second key, when pressed, cocks the drummer of the pistol. But we will talk about these features in more detail when describing the design of weapons.

Another control that is often confused with the fuse switch is the cocking key lock. In order not to keep the key constantly clamped, from which during long shooting the middle finger will be tired of it, in some versions of Shevchenko pistols one can come across such an unusual detail. In one of the variants, it is represented as a long lever with a knob on the end located in the lower part of the safety bracket. This lever is moved in the horizontal plane and locks the already pressed cocking button of the drummer when it is moved with the index finger. The second embodiment of the fixation platoon key is implemented more interesting. It is made in the form of a swinging part in front of the bracket located in front of the platoon key. The key in this case is fixed by itself when pressed, but its return to its original position is already carried out by pressing the lock.



In general, it will not be entirely correct to assess the appearance of these weapons. These samples can rather be attributed to the experienced, not serial. For some reason it seems to me that, in the case of the deployment of full-scale serial production, the appearance of the pistols would change in a positive direction. Even with the preservation of the "angular" shape of the weapon, during mass production, they would have refused the many details that make this gun a nightmare of the miller. And even in the form in which the weapon is presented, if we ignore the imposed appearance of modern pistols, Shevchenko pistols are quite charismatic.

Shevchenko pistols design

As mentioned above, one of the remarkable features of Shevchenko pistols is the supply of ammunition from the store to the chamber. In order to increase the length of the barrel without increasing the size of the weapon, the designer placed a magazine under the chamber chamber. The ammunition supply is carried out in two stages. First, the cartridge is removed from the store, and this is not done forward, as in conventional designs, but back, after extraction, the cartridge is on the “pallet”, from which it is already fed into the breech.

The main advantage in the implementation of such a filing system is only an increase in the length of the barrel of the weapon. Increased barrel length has a positive effect on accuracy and slightly increases the initial velocity of the bullet in normal conditions. But other features of such a system for the supply of ammunition more.



First of all, you need to take into account the fact that the handling of weapons is not quite familiar. In order for the cartridge to be in the chamber, you have to delay and release the bolt twice. The second feature of this design is the behavior of the weapon after the exhaustion of all the cartridges in the store. So, after the store is devastated, the weapon becomes on the slide lag, however the last cartridge is still in the weapon waiting for the progress of the bolt forward and feed into the chamber. This was done so that after changing the store, it wasn’t necessary to perform twice manipulations with the shutter casing again. This feature is usually described as positive, since it is impossible to unconsciously expend all ammunition and there is always the last cartridge that can be used even without an inserted magazine, simply by removing the weapon from the slide delay. In this context, this is certainly a plus, but many of the old memory can look at the empty chamber, remove the weapon from the ZZ and pull the trigger, with a clear negative result. In general, it is impossible to say that these features are flaws, these are really features that you just need to get used to.

The disadvantages include the location of the first cartridge in the store in the immediate vicinity of the breech breech. Apparently, to prevent this cartridge from heating up from the barrel of the weapon, an aluminum casing was required for cooling. The second disadvantage, the existence of which no one says, but it is obviously present, is the probability of parsing the cartridge in the process of its extraction from the store. The fact that such a problem is present in Shevchenko pistols is not known, but it was present in Mars pistols, with a similar ammunition supply system, and the designers of Boberg Engineering have been fighting over it for a single year, however, it seems, they have already coped with this trouble It should be noted that at least the listed weapon models have a similar ammunition supply system, but it is not identical to the PN, so it is quite possible that the designer managed to implement the operation of the ammunition supply system without such unpleasant surprises.

The trigger mechanism of Shevchenko pistols is a drum pick, and the drummer's platoon is carried out by pressing a key in front of the handle of the weapon. A similar solution can be seen in the P7 pistols of Heckler und Koch, although the key there is much larger and is not fixed in the depressed position. This key, although it did not take root in other models of weapons, but it is obvious that it is far from the worst option to ensure safe handling of the gun, as long as the key is not squeezed, it will not be possible to shoot the PN. In addition, judging by the individual images of Shevchenko pistols, there were models with a “classic” fuse switch on the side surface of the housing-bolt.

No less interesting in the weapon is the system of automation. The PS pistols use a semi-free shutter automation system. Braking casing-bolt is carried out using two stops, which enter the grooves on the inner surface of the casing-shutter under the action of powder gases. This system provides the ability to use a variety of ammunition, including "mixed" in one store, but it is demanding on the materials from which the weapon is made. In addition, due to the rarity of the use of such an automation system, it is difficult to predict the resource of a weapon, even when using all modern achievements.

Positive and negative qualities of Shevchenko pistols

As mentioned above, the increased length of the barrel of a weapon has a positive effect on the accuracy of firing. In sum, with the automation system and the shutter casing, in which the bulk of it is located under the barrel of the weapon, the gun had to be fairly accurate.



Separately, it is worth mentioning the safety of handling weapons, due to the presence of the strike key of the drummer. However, the safety of handling Shevchenko’s pistols suffers from an applied power system, in which random shots are possible.
The main disadvantage of this weapon is the abundance of small parts, sharp corners and other shortcomings not of the design itself, but rather of the “design” of pistols. Since the weapon is not serial, it is difficult to predict its behavior when worn, in particular, the work of automation, the problem of feeding ammunition back when worn and when the weapon is contaminated, and so on.

Сonclusion

It is difficult to give an assessment to Shevchenko's pistols, at least due to the fact that the weapon was not mass-produced, and the characteristics of single-produced copies and mass-produced ones often differ. Nevertheless, it is possible to estimate the number of interesting, if not quite new, ideas that were implemented in this weapon. The work that Viktor Shevchenko did and the workers of “Special Machinery” deserves respect, since even simpler devices cannot always be brought to workable designs.



But if you look at this weapon sensibly, then it is difficult to find those positive qualities that would justify the complexity of the design, and accordingly the price during production. Perhaps this, as well as the lack of funding and a number of other, less obvious, but quite objective reasons (90-s), was the sentence for these pistols. But the design is very interesting, and the amount of work done is very large. Conversely, you can draw a parallel with the modern pistols of Boberg Engineering, which are now gaining popularity. Yes, these pistols are simpler in design and they are positioned somewhat differently, but the main feature, namely the supply of ammunition, is used the same, which means that the idea was not dead, but quite viable.



It should be noted that the weapon was in a variety of variants, for a variety of ammunition. I managed to find a reference to the 8 variants of these pistols, with various differences not only in the cartridges, but also in size and individual nodes. It is possible that the weapon options were much more.

Gun for the hidden wearing "Gnome"

The second gun in this article will be a pistol, which, conversely, has a modern counterpart. So recently, an article was published about the “folding” version of the Glock pistol, which was preceded by the PP with a similar design - FGM-9. However, prior to these Western models of weapons, the Ukrainian Gnome pistol (1995 year) was developed, which is completely identical to them, both in the idea itself and in its implementation.



For some totally incomprehensible reason, this gun on the Internet was dubbed “assault”. In what place does he belong to this newest class of pistols, it is unclear if even someone would formulate the general concept of an assault pistol would be ideal. It is quite obvious that this gun is ideal for concealed carrying, albeit not with weight and dimensions, but at least with the absence of a form that would even remotely resemble a weapon.

The appearance of the gun "Gnome"

The appearance of the weapon is more like those samples that are made somewhere in garages or basement workshops by craftsmen from the people. However, this is only a first impression. If you look at the weapon more closely, it becomes clear that this is not just an “ugly” resemblance to a weapon, but a well thought out and very cheap design that, for all its unsightly form, is perfect for the tasks assigned.



Like any weapon that is trying to disguise under other objects or make it more compact, this gun does not look very familiar. First of all, a thin and unclear why the intended folding safety bracket catches your eye. In fact, it does not affect the rigidity of the structure and, by and large, it could have been abandoned altogether. The arms of the arms in the unfolded form clearly does not seem to be quite comfortable, although the pistol has at least a full size and even more, which can already be noted as a plus.

On the left side of the gun is located the safety lever. In fact, this is the only detail that stands for the dimensions of the weapon and can stick into the body when worn, however, its dimensions are not so large as to cause serious inconvenience.

The sights of the gun are the usual pillars and front sight without the possibility of adjustment, which in this case is not needed.

A much more interesting feature is that the muzzle has a thread on the barrel, thanks to which you can install a silent shooting device. That is, this gun is not only designed for concealed carrying, but also has a specially developed PBS for him, I don’t know how Born, and Bond obviously would be happy with such a weapon.

Objectively, yes, the gun is nowhere more terrible, but on the other hand, it is cheap and at the same time copes with the tasks assigned to it.

The design of the gun "Gnome"

Since the design of the weapon is folding, it is quite obvious that somewhere there must be a lock in order for the gun to not spontaneously move from one position to another. Since there are no such clamps on the side surfaces of the arms, it is logical to assume that it is located on the back side.

The weapon does not have a casing-bolt, the bolt is made as a separate part and cocked when it is pulled off by two protrusions with notches. Weapon automatics are built according to the recoil energy use pattern with a free stroke of the shutter, which, when using 9x18 cartridges, is a logical decision.

In order to service this gun, you must remove the cover of the receiver. It is held clutch, wound on the thread at the muzzle. If the gun is equipped with a silent firing device, then in this case it is already holding the cover of the receiver. After the clutch is unscrewed, then pushing the cover forward, it can be removed from the clutch with the frame of the gun, so to speak, and remove it. Actually, this incomplete disassembly of the gun can be considered complete.



It should be noted that although in this case the design itself is very primitive, it is only in plus weapons, back because of the low cost of production. Usually, “special” weapons are developed with less regard for economy, because full-scale production is not expected, a maximum of several thousand units. In this case, even offhand you can say that this gun will cost less to produce the same, well-known, PM.

Characteristics of the gun "Gnome"

Since the folding arms, the designers did not limit themselves to the maximum possible capacity of the store. Since the handle has the length of the whole gun, then the shop has the same length and considerable capacity of 20x9 PM cartridges in the 18 (by the way, the weapon was eating and 9x18PMM). The mass of the pistol was considerable for a concealed pistol - 1180 grams. Unfortunately, there are no data on the size of the weapon.



As mentioned above, the pistol for concealed carrying is only suitable because it does not resemble a weapon in its folded position. The weight of more than a kilogram and obviously considerable dimensions hint at certain inconveniences when wearing, however, with sufficient build, people manage to hide full-fledged submachine guns on their bodies, so it is possible to wear such a “brick” even separately with a silent shooting device is possible.

Positive and negative qualities of the gun "Gnome"

The most important advantage of the gun "Dwarf" is its cheapness. Well, can not a pistol, which is virtually all vyshtampovili from the sheet "galvanized" to be expensive. The second great advantage of weapons is a roomy store. The presence of a silent shooting device for a given pistol clearly expands its scope of application.

But the main drawback of weapons can be identified back as its cheapness, which can be called maximum. Usually something similar is done to arm the guerrillas, when there is nothing to do, but it is necessary to do it. Something similar can be found in the museums of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, at the exhibitions of “folk art” in firearms. For full-fledged military weapons, such savings are an obvious overkill.

The disadvantages can also be attributed to ergonomics, which suffers primarily due to the same economy, and the design itself, which allows the pistol to be folded. Well, the weight of the gun clearly does not fit into the modern concept of concealed weapons, although it does not exclude.

Сonclusion

Objectively, the gun "Gnome" is quite an interesting sample of special weapons. Could it be made more presentable? It is possible. In fact, what is depicted in the pictures are experimental samples that are still far from the final result. But even if we take what is and simply paint it in a “radical” black color, then something more interesting may turn out, even despite the entire angularity of the structure.



Yes, the weapon is similar to the product made somewhere in the underground workshop, however, the very idea and implementation are of interest. Moreover, this interest has been preserved even now, judging by the samples that were recently developed based on the Glock.

These two pistols are not all weapons that were developed by Ukrainian designers. There were still no less interesting samples, there were frankly failures, there were also attempts to create something new on the basis of Soviet weapons that were placed in warehouses, all of which will be in the next articles.


Sources:
infogun.ru
silovik.net
zbroya.com.ua
modernfirearms.net
zonwar.ru
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  1. avt
    +7
    April 1 2018 07: 08
    wassat It's just some sort of ... a homemade circle - ,, Crazy hands " wassat Was in the World ,, gloomy genius "and now it is ... GREAS!
    however, the idea and implementation itself is of interest.
    bully The idea is good, with the same success, you can idealize the pocket hyperboloid of engineer Garin. The main thing is not to forget to carry matches with him. But HOW do you, this idea, "embody in metal, and even SERIAL? The question is certainly interesting, especially in light of cost-effectiveness." Well, a folding gun ... this campaign is generally the idea of ​​a graduate of the Institute. Sierpsky, the need for such a device will really appreciate the positively network warriors who went through with battles at all levels of gunfire.
    1. +3
      April 1 2018 09: 37
      Quote: avt
      It's just some sort of ... a homemade circle - ,, Crazy hands "

      The ugliness is more reminiscent of the craftsmanship of a locksmith winding a term for 222nd. Yes
      1. +2
        April 1 2018 10: 01
        Yes, I read "Lefty" Leskov ... a very interesting story ... "the British do not clean their guns with a brick" smile
    2. +9
      April 1 2018 15: 21
      avt, I have an immodest question for you. What have you personally brought to life in this world? Life products are not counted.
    3. +4
      April 1 2018 22: 36
      But let's objectively, imagine how much work it is worthwhile to make everything that is in the PN normally work, and this despite the fact that people were not engaged in the construction of handguns, like this from scratch. Yes, indeed, the game was not worth the time, as the trunk extension on the 3 cm is more relevant for small-sized pistols, but the design, despite its overall complexity, was brought to a workable pattern. Boberg with 2008, if I do not confuse anything with the problem of self-disassembling ammunition during reloading, they fight and only recently were able to achieve normal operation. So whatever one may say, but as a designer, Shevchenko is very talented, although he is fixated on one design.
      Well, the “Dwarf” is simply not positioned in that niche, it would be possible to designate it with a partisan weapon, something like a Liberator, then you can even forgive its appearance. Back in the folded position compactly in boxes fit, for transportation a positive quality. Well, the cost - 0,5 square. m. "galvanized")))
      In general, I am of the opinion that there is no bad weapon, by definition, is either incomplete or not in its niche. request
  2. +5
    April 1 2018 07: 40
    Sorry, but the development of pistols in a country with a banned civilian short-barrel is something akin to ananism)
    1. +1
      April 1 2018 10: 15
      Totally agree! Yes There is no entry into the civilian arms market - there is no development of an engineering school or investment. Yes, no one has canceled the competition either. smile

      PS
      I remember how many "broken copies" were when discussing this topic:
      https://topwar.ru/96944-perspektivnyy-pistolet-dl
      ya-armii-i-policii.html
    2. +3
      April 1 2018 15: 18
      tchoni! To begin with, learn the native language, a representative of a country with a permitted short barrel, and only then talk about weapons.
    3. +2
      April 1 2018 22: 45
      I can not agree. It is not the absence of a civil market that hinders, but the absence of healthy competition. Most of the weapon models that will be described in this series of articles can be noted as the first ones on which their own weapon school could be built, backed up by Soviet specialists. But they came as a result of a monopoly and attempts to apply at least something that remained in military warehouses. So not the lack of a civilian market has prevented.
      1. +1
        April 2 2018 03: 14
        Quote: AlexMark
        I can not agree. Not the lack of a civilian market hinders, but the lack of healthy competition.

        Sorry, but this is one and the same. Look even at domestic designers and pistol designs. Many of them outstanding? - more than enough! Odd hohlyatskoy handicraft. But really massive? - pm, tt and aps. EVERYTHING .... omtal - or small batches for a very small circle of people, or, in general, prototypes.
        1. +2
          April 2 2018 03: 18
          But you can work on the foreign market, but who will give. Even if they give, then immediately there will be so many willing to cling to the trough that you will not know where to run. Although the road has already been laid in AOE wink
  3. +6
    April 1 2018 11: 49
    The loading scheme with removing the cartridge from the magazine back and then feeding it to the barrel channel line using the lever feeder and the shutter ramp is used in the serial Boberg XR9 pistol


    Unlike the Shevchenko pistol, the Boberg'a design is fully operational.
    1. +2
      April 2 2018 03: 50
      And they also have the ammunition disassembled when reloading))) What victims you will not go to buy a patent for) But seriously, nobody spoke about identity, but the very idea is the same, exactly the same as in Mars pistols twentieth century request
      1. +1
        April 2 2018 09: 01
        Indeed, in Boberg XR9 there is a risk of dismantling the cartridge, so the manufacturing company provides a list of brands of 9x19 mm cartridge that can be used in this gun. Those. the problem is completely solvable.

        Given this circumstance, the Boderg XR9 is an order of magnitude more reliable than any pistol with a classic cartridge feed into the barrel sending line, since Boberg’s cartridge forcefully contacts the magazine, then with the shutter feeder / ramp / shutter protrusion and at the end with the barrel throughout recharge process.

        In the scheme with the classic supply of cartridges, they freely rest on the shutter and are not pressed by anything from above and from the sides, therefore, this scheme is characterized by frequent delays in the form of a skew of the cartridge up to setting it at an angle of 90 degrees to the sending line.
        1. +1
          April 2 2018 14: 13
          Quote: Operator
          Indeed, in Boberg XR9 there is a risk of dismantling the cartridge, so the manufacturing company provides a list of brands of 9x19 mm cartridge that can be used in this gun. Those. the problem is completely solvable.

          Given this circumstance, the Boderg XR9 is an order of magnitude more reliable than any pistol with a classic cartridge feed into the barrel sending line, since Boberg’s cartridge forcefully contacts the magazine, then with the shutter feeder / ramp / shutter protrusion and at the end with the barrel throughout recharge process.

          In the scheme with the classic supply of cartridges, they freely rest on the shutter and are not pressed by anything from above and from the sides, therefore, this scheme is characterized by frequent delays in the form of a skew of the cartridge up to setting it at an angle of 90 degrees to the sending line.

          the controversial statement is just a multiple, more than real, valid samples of other circuits that work quite reliably, despite the short blunt cartridge. As a “theoretical alternative”, you can take the Browning scheme with the reduction of the trunk - quite a harmonization of skew for traditional schemes
          1. +1
            April 2 2018 18: 42
            And here the movement of the barrel - we are discussing the supply of a cartridge from the magazine to the barrel.

            At Boberg, the supply at all stages is accompanied by comprehensive power support for the cartridge from the elements of the reloading mechanism of the gun, the classical scheme does not - at the time of the cartridge’s exit from the magazine, it only relies freely on the bolt (on the back) and on the barrel ramp (on the bottom), i.e. it is quite possible that the cartridge tilts upward, where it is not controlled by anything.

            Another thing is that the reloading mechanism in Boberg has one more detail, which can increase the number of jamming of the mechanism itself when firing in dusty conditions.
            1. +2
              April 2 2018 20: 17
              Well, and ... the shutter pushes the cartridge forward and upward, the barrel with the chamber "hospitably" descends towards him - but figs with him with rigid guidance
              1. +1
                April 2 2018 20: 23
                It is for this pornography that I love firearms. laughing
      2. 0
        April 2 2018 09: 09
        if cartridges are understood in such a scheme, then first of all, this is the problem of cartridges, but of course it does not change the essence of the matter
  4. +4
    April 1 2018 12: 03
    Thanks to the author for the article. About the "gnome" first heard in 1998. There was a publication in the Weapons application of the journal Technika-Molodezhi, I honestly did not hear about PS. More and more flashes in the articles about the "Fort" shooting marks of Ukraine and more modern models than those first
    1. +1
      April 1 2018 23: 38
      Comrade Stary26, about PS was in the Ukrainian, Russian language, the monthly magazine "Arms and Hunting" somewhere in the same years, from the first issues of this edition, on the cover is straight this garage "masterpiece" in color - you will see, you will not confuse either with what. Yes
      hi
  5. +2
    April 1 2018 14: 42
    The right to work is sacred! Just so as not to harm others!
  6. +8
    April 1 2018 15: 35
    A good pistol, hidden wearing, weighing 1180, is the weight of the equipped Stechkin (1202)! I have such a knife - hidden wearing ...
    1. +1
      April 1 2018 22: 46
      I’m embarrassed to ask, but can such an idea be bought ???))) It hurts very well in my hand)) I’ll need to sharpen such pencils.
      1. +3
        April 1 2018 22: 48

        Like these ones?
        1. +1
          April 1 2018 23: 27
          No, simpler)))
    2. +2
      April 2 2018 00: 02
      Noble knife good and the "holster" under it is solidly coordinated, it is clear that for the general Joy of soul and the loss of his own courage, the real Master tried!
      With such a “penknife” behind you and into the dense Bryansk forests it’s not scary to go mushrooms smile , even from a wild boar there is a chance to brush it off, and the young pine aspen, probably, is cut from one swing if necessary? winked
      Comrade Chichikov, you definitely made the mood for me in the coming days with this photo, I will now remember with a smile the funny inventor, the Knife Affairs of the Master, and you, for your joke of good humor Yes !
      good hi
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    1. +3
      April 1 2018 23: 37
      So it seems that no one claims to analyze) For analysis, we need specific data, operating experience in various conditions, but there is no such data, just an introductory article on the data that is available in open sources.
      1. +2
        April 2 2018 09: 57
        Got it Yes . It was interesting to see collected in one article.
        Once again confirms the absurdity of designing machines "at random", without a clear concept of application.
  8. 0
    April 2 2018 00: 36
    It’s not clear why every time you enter VO, enter a complex password
  9. +2
    April 2 2018 00: 45
    In my opinion, the gun in the first photo PSH - 14? (the index is not clearly visible) it has a quite marketable appearance and is by no means ugly. But the rest are only questions. If something new appears about this model, it would be interesting to know.
    Well, as for the “Gnome", it should not be expensive. Weapons of a killer, terrorist, saboteur - used and thrown away, still worth a penny. Something like this.
    Thanks to Mark, interesting as always. hi
    1. +2
      April 2 2018 01: 08
      In the first photo, this is a “traumatic shooter”, PSH-1T has a very far relationship to combat, and the design is completely different request
  10. +2
    April 2 2018 00: 45
    Comrade Mark Poddubny, you are completely right about the "garage design (by the way, PS is not only a" milling machineer's nightmare ", but also a" daytime "one too! Yes ) ".
    Shevchenko’s design bureau was, as it were, a “garage co-operative” who tried to enter “non-garage orbits”, taking advantage of the fact that all professional weapons design bureaus remained in Russia, and without fish and crab-like fish. We tried to make weapons based on the principles of the Baryshev system, and even “upgrade” - “bullpap” Kalashnikov assault rifles and light machine guns ... in the comments, comrade Stary26 mentioned one of the early numbers of the TM weapons application, in that publication, it seems, were indicated and the size of the Gnome, and the Goblin too? It was about these "constructs" in the Ukrainian magazine "Weapons and Hunting", also of early issues ...
    As soon as the Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs launched the Vinnitsa “Fort”, and the German company “Schmeisser” began to collect their “scarecrows” near Kiev, they completely safely forgot about “Shevchenko Design Bureau”, as if it weren’t request . Maybe now, on the "war wave", one of those "garage workers" has again "surfaced" to rot ...?
    I liked the article, you, Mark, painted everything beautifully and put it on the shelves, reasoned sensibly good ! Although they took these frivolous "search constructions" too seriously, as if they weren’t "made from the garage" winked ?
    hi
    1. +2
      April 2 2018 01: 10
      I wanted to show all this as the beginnings of my arms school, but the conception did not happen, except for Fort and Zbroyar. Actually, there is no one to compete with them and, apparently, they do not give hi
      1. +2
        April 2 2018 10: 51
        There was no one to conceive, comrade Mark. Colonel Lyutoy Vasily Fedorovich did not even exist before the collapse of the Union, and there were no other real weapons designers in Ukraine and there were only compilers, "improvers" of other people's models of "rifleman" smile .
        hi
        1. +2
          April 2 2018 16: 38
          Yes, there is always someone, there is enough talent everywhere, only it is not always possible to realize the capabilities of a person. In addition, now if someone comes up with something new, then he rushes about it as with a written sack, it used to be, apparently, it was easier to convince a person of his errors. Now, after all, all of us are unique, all of the personalities, and how stupid they are to be stupid. But something in the wrong direction suffered me)))
  11. +1
    April 2 2018 03: 05
    Quote: Ragoz
    It’s not clear why every time you enter VO, enter a complex password

    I think the thing is the settings of your browser, through which you run on the Internet. Namely - usually, after the first password is entered on a particular resource, the browser asks: to save the password for this page? If you waved it off and chose “No”, then the browser, according to your choice, will not fuss and pull up the password on a new access to the site - say, let's be the proud owner, type in pens;)
    Well, if the option "save passwords" is generally disabled - then the browser will not even ask you.
    Of course, all settings can be changed in the future. Including - and provide storage and auto-entry of passwords.
  12. +4
    April 2 2018 03: 24
    It would be great if the designers of this weapon or at least the people involved in the case appeared in the comments. I think a lot of points and inaccuracies would be clarified, if, of course, they can speak.
    It is worth noting that in this material, in fact, only what is on the Internet is stated, with a filter for absolutely frank nonsense, so that some details may not be true. Sometimes you come across an interview about this weapon - the hair begins to move (and not only on the head), from what kind of nonsense is written. And sit and guess, or ask a person who has nothing to do with this weapon, or his words "corrected."
  13. +1
    April 2 2018 09: 32
    I had a strong feeling that the author is very far from weapons themes, to call the trigger hook "key" is unacceptable IMHO. In general, the article is very superficial. Want to read about the Shevchenko pistol, go to Popenker there briefly and on business: https://modernfirearms.net/en/pistolety-i-revolve
    ry / pistolety / ukraina-pistolety / shevchenko-psh /
    1. +2
      April 2 2018 10: 50
      We are simple people: we see a hook — we call it a hook, we see a key — we call it a key wink Even the respected Popenker uses the term “periodically”, but the fact that something seems unusual to you doesn’t mean that it’s wrong wink Well, if the article is superficial, then point to the information that is on modernfirearms.net, but not here.
      1. 0
        April 3 2018 15: 09
        I accept the objection about informativity, Popenker really has less material. I don’t forgive the trigger named by the key. And I also had a question, the author writes: "First of all, you need to consider that the handling of weapons becomes not quite familiar. In order to get into the cartridge chamber you have to pull it twice and release the bolt." I was sure that when pulling the shutter, the cartridge is removed from the holder and stands on the charging shelf, and when the shutter is reciprocating, it moves into the chamber, why pull the shutter twice? I found on YouTube a video demonstrating the principle of the Boberg pistol mechanics and this video is subject to my opinion, here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TSva89jbNM. After all, the Shevchenko pistol works on the same principle? Please comment.
        1. +1
          April 5 2018 14: 17
          Obviously, the cartridge is removed from the store in two stages, that is, before the ammunition enters the supply shelf, it occupies an intermediate position. I can assume that this was done in order to prevent the cartridge from being analyzed. Once again, the information, and even more reliable on the Ukrainian samples of weapons a bit, and even what you have to sift. Here is a small interview for mood raising https://www.segodnya.ua/oldarchive/23bff7fec2ceba
          80c225666c003a282b.html with this material source and work laughing
  14. 0
    April 2 2018 10: 59
    For the execution of prisoners in concentration camps - the very thing
  15. +2
    April 2 2018 23: 28
    Quote: Yarr
    I had a strong feeling that the author is very far from weapons themes, to call the trigger hook "key" is unacceptable IMHO. In general, the article is very superficial. Want to read about the Shevchenko pistol, go to Popenker there briefly and on business: https://modernfirearms.net/en/pistolety-i-revolve
    ry / pistolety / ukraina-pistolety / shevchenko-psh /


    Calling the trigger - crochet, is also unacceptable IMHO. winked
    And as regards "superficiality": Have you read any other articles by the author? If you want some
    special depth, although explain what you need. There are critics up to ...... and more, I’d like to ask: If you’re so smart, why don’t you build? ” fellow
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    2. 0
      April 3 2018 15: 17
      Crochet of course a typo, did not notice - I repent. The author did not read other articles, most recently on this site. As for the depth, I used to see some comparative characteristics of accuracy in weapons articles, for example, or MTBF. I would be interested to learn about the Shevchenko pistol, for example, why such an exotic barrel locking system was used in it. Well, something like this.
      1. +1
        April 5 2018 14: 16
        Comparative characteristics of such weapons can not even wait, because the weapon has not gone beyond the development process request Regarding not the most common ideas in the Ukrainian arms, I can only express my opinion. They tried to combine all the most promising, while forgetting about the complexity of implementation in large-scale production and about the minuses that are inherent in such original designs. I was prompted here by an analogy, which is not entirely correct, but partly true. Remember with the release of the game "Stalker" gained great popularity on the Internet AU and BCC under 9x39, then many "experts" wondered why such a wonderful weapon will not replace AK everywhere, without going into details of operation. Apparently here also, they saw the advantages of solutions, but did not pay attention to the drawbacks.
  16. +1
    April 4 2018 00: 05
    Quote: Yarr
    Crochet of course a typo, did not notice - I repent. The author did not read other articles, most recently on this site. As for the depth, I used to see some comparative characteristics of accuracy in weapons articles, for example, or MTBF. I would be interested to learn about the Shevchenko pistol, for example, why such an exotic barrel locking system was used in it. Well, something like this.


    Hey. And you somehow directly contact the author. I had this option, I asked a question and in less than a week I received an exhaustive answer from Mark. Try it if it’s interesting. And don’t be offended for the “crochet”, it just became insulting: the person is working, and his face is in the ball. hi
    1. +2
      April 5 2018 14: 20
      Yes, I am always in favor of criticism, comments, and in order to get the author to poke in inaccuracy or supplement information hi
  17. +1
    April 7 2018 13: 11
    God, what abrasions ...
  18. 0
    April 7 2018 17: 51
    Interesting pistols. And PSH and Gnome. If the Dwarf came to the series, then probably the weight would decrease and the appearance would be more presentable.
  19. 0
    April 15 2018 15: 36
    By the way, According to the descriptions and appearance 15 years ago, I liked the Shevchenko pistol.

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