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Double barrel against genocide

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Mass "anti-weapon" demonstrations took place in the USA. The goal of the protests, in which hundreds of thousands of people took part, was to get the authorities to tighten up the rules for acquiring and using them. weapons.


The formal reason for the tragic events of February 14 2018 in Florida, when 19-year-old Nicholas Cruz from a semi-automatic rifle killed 17 students of the local school.

However, these speeches should not be viewed as a separate event, but as one of the episodes of a long-standing controversy between hoplofobs (people experiencing a pathological fear of guns) and advocates of the right of American citizens to weapons. Or even wider - as a dispute between liberals and conservatives. When first try to use a resonant event to weaken the positions of opponents.

That is, past speeches are part of a rather complex political game, part of which is the fight against Donald Trump of his opponents, in which the actual weapon problem is more likely a tool and a pretext.

But domestic hoplofobs do not delve into such subtleties, and use each such episode to confirm the “American experience” of their own calculations.

However, regardless of the political context, American and Russian opponents of civil arms trafficking related to any citizen who has weapons on a legal basis, as a suspicious type, and to a latent criminal.

The fact that an armed man is a potential defender who can stop a crime. Or even to defend their homeland and their people.

And this is no exaggeration. To verify this, let us turn to the events of 1990-1991, which occurred in South Ossetia.

In December, the 1990 of the year on the territory of the republic, which then had an autonomous status as part of the Georgian USSR, the internal affairs agencies began to seize firearms from hunting citizens. Hunters were informed that due to increased tension, the weapon would be held in custody at the district police stations. But when the assembled carbines and rifles were delivered there, they, on the orders of the then Deputy Interior Minister of Georgia, General Shaduri, were taken out of South Ossetia along with the service weapon of local policemen.

However, it was not necessary to speak about the complete seizure of hunting weapons: the law-abiding nature of Caucasian men does not extend so far that, by an incomprehensible demand, they surrender their guns. Yes, and in the light of impending terrible events. So, the “trunks” were taken away only from the units, the rest of them “lost”, “drowned”, or the owners themselves simply did not find themselves at home.

Also, not all Ossetian militiamen were ready to disarm.

Police Colonel of South Ossetia Georgy Vaneev, who was then responsible for arming, was able to save thirteen machine guns and several pistols, which were handed out to Ossetian policemen.

These thirteen machine gunners became the first composition of the legendary South Ossetian OMON, which later covered itself with unfading glory.

Double barrel against genocide


A little later, they got armor - two written off old BTR from the local DOSAAF. The first detachment commander, Vadim Gazzayev and his fighters, repaired them and installed them in Oak Grove, which became the first base of the newborn OMON.

And on the night of January 6, 1991, the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, which were supposed to maintain stability in the region, were taken to the barracks without notifying the leadership of South Ossetia. At o'clock in the morning, the 4-thousandth detachment of Georgian militia and Georgian militants disguised as militia and amnestied criminals and drug addicts the day before entered the city.

With them was a large number of equipment and dogs. Georgian police occupied the central part of the city, blocked all roads and intersections. Torture, arrest, murder, arson, and violence began. In the evening of January 6, Georgian police opened fire on unarmed people. The next day of January 7, which became known as “Bloody Christmas”, was marked by massive crimes committed by invaders in different parts of the city and in the vicinity. So, on this day in the village of Eredvi, Georgian “militiamen” chopped off the head of 87-summer Ossetian Yerdi Hubaev with an ax.

The purpose of this “lawlessness” was clear: January 8, speaking on Georgian television, Georgian Interior Minister D. Khabuliani said that the Ossetian people who disagree with the decision of the current Georgian government should leave the borders of Georgia (meant by South Ossetia).

But, fortunately, the Georgian gangs failed to carry out the planned ethnic cleansing and genocide. This was prevented by the fierce resistance of the inhabitants of the city.

In addition to the thirteen OMON rifles, Tskhinval was also protected by hundreds of rifles and carbines of the militia. However, rifle rifles were negligible. The main weapon defenders of the city in those terrible winter days were Tula kovkovye double-barreled guns.

But at that moment there was enough of that. Confident in their impunity, the rapists, robbers and murderers, dressed in police uniform, did not expect repulse. And faced with armed resistance, they ran out of the city. This was the case when, according to the Monk Cosmas of Aetolia, “one gun saved a hundred souls”.



Due to the massive desertion of the “policemen,” Tbilisi threw Mkhedrioni militants into battle. But this did not help, and already on January 26, Georgian gangs were knocked out of the city. Tskhinvali survived.

There was still a year and a half of war, sacrifice, blockade, deprivation. But by this time the Ossetians had a quite serious military weapon, and the militia turned into a small, but brave and efficient army.

Something similar happened in August 1992 of the year in Abkhazia, which met the Georgian aggressors with several dozen AKS-74Us, Molotov cocktails and hunting rifles. And with this weapon they managed to withstand the first onslaught and resist.

Some of the hoplofobs will say that if the population did not have a weapon, there would be no war. True, there would be no war.

“In the Shelkovskoy spring of 1992, by the“ Chechen militia ”all the hunting weapons were withdrawn from the Russian population, and a week later the militants came to the unarmed village. They were engaged in real estate registration. And for this, a whole system of signs was developed. Human guts, wound on the fence, meant: the owner is no more, in the house only women, ready for "love." Female bodies impaled on the same fence: the house is free, it can be settled, ”an eyewitness of those events using the pseudonym Sergey Maslenitsa described the results of the disarmament of the Russian population in Dudayevskaya Chechnya.

By handing over the weapon to the “militiamen” for safekeeping, the Russians condemned themselves to almost inevitable death at the hands of bandits. Unlike the Chechens, there were no powerful tapes behind them, and there was no one to protect them.

I know историяas a Russian resident of Grozny in the same terrible years, he managed to fight off the robbers, having a single-gun. “The old 12 single-gauge caliber was in service, but even this“ caramultuka ”was enough with its head. When from the extreme window towards the attackers, there were three of them, shots began to be heard, and the defensive person did not bring back fire, then the marauders, first bypassing the house, climbed over the fence, and after I continued firing from another window facing yard, just retired. In the morning I discovered an opened empty barn, but it was empty before they came, ”he described his“ battle ”. The robbers, even with an obvious advantage in numbers and weapons, convinced of the seriousness of the intentions of the failed victim, chose not to go under the shots, but to retreat.

And the owner of the gun (he, by the way, was taken away by the Russian police after the federal forces came to Grozny) survived and saved his family.

After the Khasavyurt "peace", a real shaft of criminal expansion struck the territory bordering on Chechnya, which turned out to be in full power of the bandits and religious extremists. Small but well-armed gangs crossed the administrative borders with Stavropol, Dagestan and North Ossetia, took hostages, hijacked vehicles, agricultural equipment, cattle, robbed houses. The chain of platoon strongholds of internal troops set up in the border area did not improve the situation much. At night, the "Vova" sat in a dull defense, practically protecting themselves. The local police simply did not have the strength to cover dangerous areas. So, for example, in the Right Bank ROVD of North Ossetia in 1997, there were only 120 employees. The situation was rescued by self-defense detachments and Cossacks, including armed with hunting carbines. They guarded the perimeter of the border settlements, exposed secrets on the most likely routes of penetration of gangs. In addition, mobile groups on off-road vehicles were constantly moving along the roads, patrolling the territory and being ready to come to the aid of secrets. These measures allowed to significantly protect the border areas.

Today, thank God, the “holy nineties” are behind, and genocide and ethnic cleansing no longer threaten the population. However, in our peacetime, the weapon sometimes turns out to be a real lifebuoy. It is enough to recall the events in Sagra, when only three guns helped people to stop an armed gang of six dozen militants who were going to smash their village. Or the incident on Deputatskaya Street in Yekaterinburg, which occurred in 2016, when three armed residents were able to repel the attack of 30 thugs who came to kill them.
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  1. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 31 March 2018 05: 24
    +5
    In the USA there is a city where crimes suppressed by armed citizens are more than the police, unfortunately I do not remember the name of the town, but maybe someone will remember.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 31 March 2018 05: 46
      +4
      Quote: cth; fyn
      can anyone remember.

      Ferguson?
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 31 March 2018 09: 06
        +3
        It was there that the police worked for a solid "five."
    2. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO April 12 2018 03: 33
      +4

      In all ages!
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 31 March 2018 05: 33
    +8
    related to any citizen legally possessing a weapon as a latent criminal.

    Simple mathematics suggests that the smaller the arms, the fewer shots.

    South Ossetia and Abkhazia were saved not by double-barrels, but by Russian troops: the double-barreled machine and the tank never stopped.
    1. Cat
      Cat 31 March 2018 06: 18
      +18
      It's not about simple or complex math! The question is much deeper and more multifaceted.
      By the way, a large number of facts of injuries in the handling of weapons in the Armed Forces and law enforcement agencies due to the low culture of the population. This problem must be eradicated. But how to solve it if without access to weapons, people joining the army simply do not realize its danger. Until now, the police are people who are afraid of their personnel PM? !!! Moreover, not all departments even have shooting galleries.
      Unfortunately, I do not know how to solve the problem, but it is simply necessary to solve it minimally. For example, through sports. Simplify the procedure for obtaining permission for sports rifles under the "small cartridge", provide the opportunity to create sports clubs and communities (with their obligation to conduct sports sections).
      To the defenders of the idea of ​​limiting the circulation of weapons I will say only one thing - to buy a barrel is not a problem. For the sake of curiosity, he googled at one time and was surprised. By bookmarks, couriers and other frauds, the issue is easily resolved.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 March 2018 08: 01
        +3
        Quote: Kotischa
        By the way, a large number of facts injuries when handling weapons in BC and law enforcement organs due to low culture of the population.

        Can you imagine how many times this injury will grow in civil environment, even if in specialized army conditions it is?
        Quote: Kotischa
        create sports clubs and communities

        That is yes.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 31 March 2018 09: 33
          +10
          Olgovich, how do you think among the Cossacks there was a high percentage of injuries from weapons? Or maybe the Cossacks never engaged in peaceful labor, but fought all the time.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 31 March 2018 12: 21
            0
            Quote: Monarchist
            Olgovich, how do you think among the Cossacks there was a high percentage of injuries from weapons?

            No not high
            Quote: Monarchist
            Or maybe the Cossacks never engaged in peaceful labor, but fought all the time.

            We were engaged.
            And what is this talking about?
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 31 March 2018 09: 25
        +20
        Kotishche, let me stroke your hair: You correctly noticed that we have a low culture of handling weapons, but how to develop it without access to weapons? With equal success, it is possible to cultivate a culture of reading books, and not to give books to the people
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 31 March 2018 08: 34
      +29
      Quote: Olgovich
      Simple mathematics suggests that the smaller the arms, the fewer shots.

      The fewer cars, the fewer accidents, the fewer airplanes, the fewer air crashes, the fewer kitchen knives, the fewer household appliances and so on ... yes Iron logic.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 March 2018 12: 21
        +1
        Quote: Vladimirets
        The fewer cars, the fewer accidents, the fewer airplanes, the fewer air accidents, the fewer kitchen knives, the fewer household appliances and so on ... Iron logic.

        So.
        Can you refute?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 31 March 2018 12: 33
          +15
          Quote: Olgovich
          Can you refute?

          What to refute? Probability theory? It is difficult to refute what is not proven. How to count trunks? Total amount? Per capita? In the United States, 120 barrels of gunshots per 100 citizens and five kills per year per 100 thousand. population (all data are taken from simply intentional killings, without reference to the instrument of crime); in Russia, 9 units per hundred and 9 murders per year, in Brazil, 8 trunks per hundred and 25 murders; in Switzerland, 46 trunks per hundred people and 0,7 killings per 100 thousand population. Do you trace the logic between the presence of a firearm population and the number of intentional killings ??? I do not, because the number of killings with the use of gunshot guns is affected by anything but its number.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 31 March 2018 12: 44
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            What to refute? Probability theory?

            No, just a DIRECT correlation of the number of crimes committed with weapons, with the number of weapons.
            No matter how many BOEN in the USA there would be, if there weren’t the easiest access to weapons! Or is it NOT obvious to you?
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 31 March 2018 12: 51
              +10
              Quote: Olgovich
              DIRECT dependence of the number of crimes committed with weapons, with the number of weapons.

              Have you read my post ???? What is the direct relationship ??? I specifically gave you the calculation of the countries! A large number of weapons does not mean the obligatoriness of their use in crimes.
              Quote: Olgovich
              No matter how many BOEN in the USA there would be if there weren’t the easiest access to weapons!

              Here you are right, partly, the number of victims was affected by fairly easy access to automatic and semi-automatic weapons.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 1 2018 05: 53
                0
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Have you read my post ???? What is the direct relationship ??? I specially gave the calculation by country! A large number of weapons does not mean the obligatoriness of their use in crimes.

                The killings you brought are ALL done gunshot?! -
                In no way!
                So there is a DIRECT addiction !:
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets April 1 2018 12: 59
                  +4
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  The murders you brought ALL were committed using a firearm?! -
                  In no way!
                  So there is a DIRECT addiction !:

                  The drain is counted, because the sane person can not blunt so frankly.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 1 2018 15: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: Vladimirets
                    Drain counted.

                    belay

                    In the USA, the percentage of murders committed with the use of a gunshot from the total number64%.
                    In England, where there is a ban 4%-from the total number of murders.
                    Again, didn’t get it? lol .Then:
                    Quote: Vladimirets
                    the sane person cannot blunt so frankly.

                    yes
                    1. Vladimirets
                      Vladimirets April 1 2018 15: 25
                      +5
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      In the United States, the percentage of murders committed with the use of a firearm from a total of 64%.

                      Do you know that 2/3 of this amount is suicide? Which are also recorded as violent death?
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      In England, where there is a ban of 4% of the total number of murders.

                      You contradict yourself! If in England there is a ban on legal weapons, how are people killed there ??? Or, nevertheless, the criminals find him regardless of whether his authorities allow him or not? wink
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich April 2 2018 08: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        Do you know that 2/3 of this amount is suicide? Which are also recorded as violent death?

                        And?
                        Quote: Vladimirets
                        You contradict yourself! If in England there is a ban on legal weapons, how are people killed there ??? Or, nevertheless, the criminals find him regardless of whether his authorities allow him or not?

                        There is no contradiction: to strangle with your hands, with a rope (even yourself), to stab with a knife a priori is much harder than to kill with a firearm.
                        That is why, mind you, fighting in wars gunshot , not with clubs: he is much more deadly.
                        The same thing in society: attempted murder (suicide) with a firearm is much more effective than a stone.
                        Again, not Copenhagen? request
            2. tracer
              tracer 31 March 2018 15: 06
              0
              Not at all obvious. And there is no free access with the sale there.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 1 2018 05: 53
                0
                Quote: tracer
                Not at all obvious. And there is no free access with the sale there.

                There is
        2. Colonel
          Colonel 31 March 2018 14: 47
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          Can you refute?

          The fewer people, the .............
    3. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty 31 March 2018 10: 56
      +15
      Quote: Olgovich
      Simple mathematics suggests that the smaller the arms, the fewer shots.

      The attempt to “simplify” life, and even more so to subordinate it to “simple mathematics” - is either the stupidity that has been inflated by the TV in the ears, or the meanness - well described in this article.
      If you are such a “mathematician”, then the number of weapons must be correlated not with the number of shots, but with the number of crimes in the same territory. And in crimes related not only to murder, but to everyone! Because when the rape is not always the victim dies. And in gangster and hooligan attacks, the victim often does not die, but becomes an invalid.
      And to decide for someone: he has the right to defend himself or not, somehow "not democratic" No.
      Tighter rules should not be for normal people, but for bandits!
      It is necessary to clearly state in the criminal code what is a threat to which a normal person can respond "in full." For example, if a man approached you and began to threaten with a knife, then you have the right to shoot to kill. If the door to your apartment began to break, then you have the right to open fire directly through the door. And so on.
      It is necessary to remove the requirement of "commensurability of self-defense." First, more often than not, it is impossible to "measure" it right at the time of the attack. And secondly, any attack should receive the maximum response. This is the only way to raise "animals" who do not want to accept human laws. Or significantly reduce their stock.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 March 2018 12: 35
        0
        Quote: Hlavaty
        An attempt to "simplify" life, and even more so to subordinate it to "simple mathematics" is either stupidity,

        Attempt complicate life is stupid, creating a lot of problems.
        Quote: Hlavaty
        If you are such a “mathematician,” then the number of weapons must be correlated not with the number of shots, but with the number of crimes in the same territory.

        This is with a fright? belay It's about the dangers of arms on hand. You can refute the given DIRECT dependence: the more weapons on hand, the greater the likelihood of shots?
        Quote: Hlavaty
        And to decide for someone: he has the right to defend himself or not, somehow "not democratic"

        Democratically obey existing law. Or change it at the request of MOST but most weapons will never be Pro)
        Quote: Hlavaty
        It is necessary to clearly state in the criminal code what is a threat to which a normal person can respond "in full." For example, if a man approached you and began to threaten with a knife, then you have the right to shoot to kill. If the door to your apartment began to break, then you have the right to open fire directly through the door. And so on.

        Clearly, yes. But the trial should be cruel, because who knows, maybe you shot a man, inventing his threat to you with a knife?
        It is necessary to remove the requirement of "commensurability of self-defense." Firstly, most often, impossible to "measure" it right at the time of the attack.

        You spat, you shot for it. Justify you?
        1. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 31 March 2018 17: 29
          +10
          Quote: Olgovich
          You spat, you shot for it. Justify you?

          Oh, these French ... Oh, verbiage ...
          You carefully missed all my arguments - this is evidence that you are not listening to the interlocutor, but are engaged in self-expression. I will neither interfere nor help you.
          1. Curious
            Curious 31 March 2018 17: 53
            +7
            Vladimir, you started a completely unproductive dispute. This character is alien to logic. Can you imagine if you give him a gun?
            1. Hlavaty
              Hlavaty 31 March 2018 20: 32
              +8
              Quote: Curious
              Can you imagine if you give him a gun?

              If only he alone would be horrified. But if you equip normal people, I’m for two hands. It’s very interesting how long it will last or how quickly it will “change hands”.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 1 2018 06: 18
                0
                Quote: Hlavaty
                Quote: Curious
                Can you imagine if you give him a gun?

                .

                It is sad that you are listening to a lover of arguments in the form mata and quietly kick a person who disdain to communicate with him because of this.
                Quote: Hlavaty
                But if you equip normal people, I’m for two hands. It’s very interesting how long it will last or how quickly it will “change hands”.

                If arm normal people, then they will quickly re-try the few abnormal gun lovers and, again, they will ban them. yes
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 1 2018 06: 00
            0
            Quote: Hlavaty
            Oh, these French ... Oh, verbiage

            This is your answer to straight question? request
            Quote: Hlavaty
            You carefully missed all my arguments -

            belay
            What nonsense is this?
            On the each Your “argument” is the answer. But you them
            Quote: Hlavaty
            carefully missed - this is evidence that you are not listening to the interlocutor, but are engaged in self-expression. I will neither interfere nor help you.
      2. Arakius
        Arakius April 6 2018 09: 43
        +1
        For example, if a man approached you and began to threaten with a knife, then you have the right to shoot to kill.

        There will be obvious problems with this. What will prevent the same bandit from shooting you, putting a knife in your hands and then declaring in court that you threatened with a knife, and he defended himself?
        1. stroybat ZABVO
          stroybat ZABVO April 12 2018 03: 43
          +2
          Ahhhhh this is an interesting thought!
          Only, for example, in Argentina, this has never happened. Kill with a pistol and put a knife in the hand of the murdered ?????
          This makes no sense!
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    5. trak
      trak April 3 2018 17: 09
      0
      Quote: Olgovich
      related to any citizen legally possessing a weapon as a latent criminal.

      Simple mathematics suggests that the smaller the arms, the fewer shots.

      South Ossetia and Abkhazia were saved not by double-barrels, but by Russian troops: the double-barreled machine and the tank never stopped.

      Tovarisch! Re-read the article again, you apparently missed something important, so you wrote your shameful comment.
  3. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 31 March 2018 08: 17
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    South Ossetia and Abkhazia were saved not by double-barrels, but by Russian troops: the double-barreled machine and the tank never stopped.

    It can stop if the Georgians have a machine gun and a tank, especially since the Georgians’ flight from lesser forces has not surprised anyone for a long time.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 31 March 2018 12: 47
      +1
      Quote: MRomanovich
      It can stop if the Georgians have a machine gun and a tank, especially since the Georgians’ flight from lesser forces has not surprised anyone for a long time.

      Alas, no: read how the fighting went on in Tskhinvali: Ossetians were crushed almost completely, Russian troops saved them.
      1. skif02
        31 March 2018 20: 03
        +4
        You confuse the 2008 war of the year with the 1990-92 events of the year. When the Ossetians, especially in the first stage of the war, got themselves out
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich April 2 2018 10: 25
          0
          Quote: skif02
          You confuse the 2008 war of the year with the 1990-92 events of the year. When the Ossetians, especially in the first stage of the war, got themselves out

          They themselves would not have fought back: support is not only open by troops. Without Russia, they would be crushed very quickly.
  4. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 31 March 2018 08: 31
    +14
    The authorities, and any of them, have always been and will be against the arming of the people, well aware that the armed people are far from an obedient, unarmed "herd" that can be driven into any "necessary" stall. Therefore, the authorities will come up with any measures restricting the possession of weapons, under any "specious" pretexts.
    1. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO April 12 2018 03: 57
      +1
      Well, Duc, there has always been .... So
  5. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 31 March 2018 09: 19
    +1
    Weapons - to be, but not to be with everyone. An applicant for the status of a “man with a gun” must satisfy certain requirements, the observance of which must be strictly and de facto, and not de jure, controlled by the state. In addition, it should not be allowed to own weapons for certain categories of Russian residents, such as lovers of re-registration of real estate.
  6. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. 31 March 2018 11: 07
    +3
    Opponents of weapons, should disappoint you! Weapons will be liberalized since our producers need money, a lot of money for development! The state will not give much, where to get them? The answer is obvious! At the citizens!
  7. Sma11
    Sma11 31 March 2018 11: 42
    +11
    Quote: Degeneration of consciousness? - Vladimir 5
    Korotkostvol is dangerous because you can’t turn back the fired bullet, however much you would like to. Korotkostvol requires responsibility and caution, because to lose control in different situations and apply - seconds. Those who wore a short barrel in service know relief when they lock themselves in a safe, because this is the responsibility and the cause of possible consequences for life. It’s true that it’s noticed, in exchange, edged weapons under household items are suitable: screwdrivers, hammers, chisels, heavy locks on a rope and other things for protection, because today the courts perceive the knife or trunk, even when defending, negatively ... But the first and main method of sambo, as the trainer taught, - 200 meters with obstacles, because dangerous situations need to be avoided, if necessary, and run away, this is not cowardice, this is tactics, because there’s no need to climb on the rampage in a losing situation ... There’s always a smooth trunk at home in the closet, because it’s already the last fortress that is not rented ... We live in emena reshaping morality and society, much turbidity, korotkostvol not save ,. and will aggravate the state of society, legally arming the criminal layer in the first place ...

    Quote: Degeneration of consciousness? - raw174
    Those in power, they were not born with a briefcase, but traveled a long way to the chair (for the most part). They do not have weapons for defense or attack, it is a symbol of strength and masculinity. The owner of the war trunk, from the point of view of psychology, is by default stronger than the unarmed, he is an alpha male. So all of these award trunks are symbolism.
    Now there are a lot of weapons on hand (I’m a hunter myself and have had weapons for 18 years) and there isn’t any armed crowd breaking into the governor, moreover, our Dubrovsky came to the village, went without security at all, only with secretaries ... There is nothing to fear from the authorities, There are no protests in society.

    Quote: Degeneration of consciousness? - Begemot
    The arguments of the apologists for the legalization of the Constitutional Court are untenable. The armed people are afraid of power - are you serious? A dozen "representatives of the people" with pistols, if I have to clash, I’ll put my pistol out of my carbine before approaching it, the SVD - albeit slightly lightweight - is this worse than the PM in their opinion ?? I have such a “toy” in the safe, and the 4 trunk is even easier, and the state is not afraid of me, it officially allows and store and carry it. And What kind of wisdom is to throw away for the fact that they took away his weapons and be proud of it - that’s absolutely stupidity. Few, apparently, stories of how freaks from traumatizing people are killed for a parking spot. Too simple a solution to the security issue cannot be right. The right to violence belongs to the state, and it is necessary to ask him for the fact that criminals walk in the streets and are not particularly afraid of committing atrocities, it’s understandably harder, it’s easier to buy a barrel more powerful and shoot everyone you don’t like, who you yourself considered criminal, it turns out. And if you made a mistake or got into it by accident? or to me, my beloved, it’s excusable, but I’m not on purpose, I wanted it better. And then the same fighter for the short-barrel, having heard the shooting, ran out of the gateway, sees how the champion of legalization shoots, people are around, and he firing in bursts at a lady with a child, grabs his parabelum and a couple of bullets in the back of his head, and he is in death cramps you have time to say: she has a martyr’s belt and a bomb in a child’s backpack. It's a shame, yes. Only it will not help either one.

    These are the main arguments of the opponents of the Constitutional Court. Do not need the people of weapons, down, oh, oh, oh, lawlessness will come. They all argue that the smoothbore was allowed and enough, and you will be happy. Here I have a shotgun (SCS, SVD and further to the best of imagination). I will overwhelm everyone who snoops on me. Well done! What should women do? And what should the elderly do? And what should children do (this is already exaggerated)? In the courtyard? In the dark alley? On the path from the station? In the evening park? In the campus? Wait for the knight to come up with a shotgun in his hands and protect them? Yeah right now? You deprive them of the right to protect your life, your dignity in advance. Or say again that this is the responsibility of the state. So where was this state in the national republics in 90 (republics of Central Asia and the Caucasus). Where is this state in ethnic conflicts? The station 282UK was fenced off. Oh yes there is also Federal Law No. 119 (20.08.2004). As usual. There is no protection (Money), but you hold on Our state cannot provide protection for its citizens, but it also prevents all opportunities to do it for themselves. “God made every man different; Sam Colt made them equal.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 31 March 2018 17: 27
      +11
      It is also cool that in the Caucasus every man of "Caucasian nationality" living in a city other than (and in the city is kept in the forest) has weapons, both legal and illegal, so what? The authorities do not know from this? But God forbid, it will appear in the civilian Russian ....
      1. Sma11
        Sma11 31 March 2018 18: 34
        0
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        It is also cool that in the Caucasus every man of "Caucasian nationality" living in a city other than (and in the city is kept in the forest) has weapons, both legal and illegal, so what? The authorities do not know from this? But God forbid, it will appear in the civilian Russian ....
        Sorry, but in the Caucasus, this is an element of the national costume, instead of a dagger. And in the Caucasus, unlike Russia, the hot Caucasian “boys” do not open their cock tails, since they have learned since childhood that for some “show-offs” one can lose something ... and no one will know where m .. . ".
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 31 March 2018 20: 26
          +10
          Well, yes .... "Caucasian traditions" and all that .... and the Russians have no tradition, they have taken away this tradition and are not allowed to appear ... well, is this good for them? right, right? wink
          1. Sma11
            Sma11 31 March 2018 21: 15
            +6
            Quote: Monster_Fat
            and the Russians do not have a tradition, they took this tradition away from them and do not allow them to appear ... well, is this good for them? right, right? wink

            Everything as usual. They are afraid of us, they are afraid .. In vain or something, cartoons are exaggerating, liberal bohemia and power, that the Russians are drunks, loafers, and slaves. And for several centuries. Forget your story, forget your traditions, forget your culture, forget everything. And you will be happy chocolate.
  8. Luga
    Luga 31 March 2018 13: 17
    +4
    However, these speeches should not be viewed as a separate event, but as one of the episodes of a long-standing controversy between hoplofobs (people experiencing a pathological fear of guns) and advocates of the right of American citizens to weapons. Or even wider - as a dispute between liberals and conservatives. When first try to use a resonant event to weaken the positions of opponents.

    So, a discussion opens between the Hoplofobate liberals and the conservatives ... uh-uh ... hoplofiles?
    The author twitched twice. In terms of manipulated, not what someone might think. First, it is the liberals, as apologists of freedom in everything, who advocate liberalization civil weapons legislation. Secondly, the concept of "hoplofob" implies a pathological fear of weapons. And I, for example, like weapons, I know, I know how to handle them, but at the same time, more precisely, that is why, I am a consistent and stubborn opponent of the liberalization of legislation in this area.
    Regarding the short-barred period for which wars periodically start, I have spoken repeatedly, the last time no later than March 27 (the article “Degeneracy of consciousness?). To summarize my opinion briefly, it is impossible to categorically because a weapon hidden wearing, you need only criminals, law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Moreover, the need for it in law enforcement agencies and special services is largely due to its presence among criminals. I would forbid even the traumatic, pneumatic and gas short-barrel - completely, completely for storage, and even more so, wearing, I would punish strictly. Although the pneumatic of the house lies and periodically I go to the wood to shoot at the banks.
    As for guns and rifles, the current state of the law on this issue suits me and, in my opinion, does not require reform.
    And here, as for the culture of handling weapons, in my opinion, there is still a lot to be done. In any case, to know the weapon and to be able to shoot better than not to know and not be able to. It is necessary to ensure access to arms, including combat ones, for all comers (according to identity and health documents, of course), but only in special shooting centers. Came, let off steam, left. Everything. It is necessary and important to develop shooting sports in the country. To begin with schools, in each of which it is possible to equip a pneumatic shooting gallery. With a child of a certain age (say, 14 years), allow him to fire from a small-caliber weapon - already, of course, in shooting galleries, in special rifle circles. From 18 years - admit to combat.
    In short, my opinion. We need to cultivate a culture of handling weapons. This should be done only by organizing an extensive network of accessible shooting centers. The population of weapons, except for hunting, should not be from the word "completely".
    For self-defense leave only gas cylinders and tools such as "Strike". Or indeed, to develop, certify and organize the release of beautiful batons, obliging to wear them openly, like a sword, so that everyone can see and understand that you are armed and dangerous. Well, with batons, of course, organize appropriate courses, where to introduce such disciplines as legal grounds for application, methods of application (fencing smile ) etc. smile I think it would be funny. smile In any case, the argument about the need to ensure their own security through the legalization of weapons from the hands of "hoplofilov" would be knocked out. smile
    By the way, a short but massive club for defense is much more effective than a pistol.
    1. tracer
      tracer 31 March 2018 15: 39
      +11
      What nah baton? You damn sick head
      My neighbor, a convict with three roots, almost killed my younger brother with an ax, I heard a noise and popped out of the house with IZHNUMX. I managed to thank God. If the heroes did not run away, he would have put everyone in place. Do you consider the life of criminals more important than the life of my brother, a student at a technical school? I would push you this stick away and deeply in this case.
      1. Luga
        Luga 31 March 2018 16: 48
        +4
        Quote: tracer
        You damn sick head

        Treat your head. Open your eyes, I have emoticons put through all the text about batons, you know, what are they for? Turn on the brain when you read and write, before you start to be rude.
        Quote: tracer
        Do you think the life of criminals is more important than the life of my brother, a student of the technical school?

        It is possible that your brother, a student at a college, is just as boorish as you are. In this case, the behavior of your neighbor can be explained.
        Quote: tracer
        I would have shoved this club away and shluboko in this case.

        Oh well. And they could have done without a gun? Where do you come from, fearless heroes-fighters-in-keys?
        1. tracer
          tracer 31 March 2018 18: 18
          +1
          My brother is no more. He gave his life, including for the fact that you just sat at home so calmly and knocked on your keys.
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 31 March 2018 18: 46
          +4
          About such as the "tracer", it is said: at least the count on the head of the mother-in-law ........ You can’t prove anything! No matter how many “gunshots” take place in Russia and in other countries (in the same USA), how many protests against excessive “armament” of the population in the same USA, how many children go to demonstrations in American cities .... supporters of firearms will still "drive up" their crafty "statistics" (!), because they are "haggled, haggled, out of mind"! When it “reaches” the citizens: A truly legal, civilized, socially-oriented state is obliged and in the power to protect its citizens by the forces of law enforcement bodies and legislation! And if in real life this is not so, it means that we live in a not sufficiently legal and civilized state.! And there are 2 ways: to turn the country into the Wild West or to make efforts to quickly build the desired state system (protests, demonstrations, demands to remove, recall negligent officials, deputies, change one or another article of the law ........ ..)
          1. 97110
            97110 31 March 2018 20: 59
            +2
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            even a count on mother-in-law's head ..

            Sorry, but where does your mother-in-law come in? Their (mother-in-law) gun, of course, disciplines ... but how did they get into the context?
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I April 1 2018 03: 19
              +2
              Duc ..... it was getting dark! That confused letters! Moreover, the keyboard is such that during the day you need to look at the keys through the glasses! And yet, it is wireless! As soon as the battery "runs out", the FIG knows what it starts to print! request
              PS "Mother-in-law and a gun ...." .... Well, yes ..... there is something in it! wink
          2. tracer
            tracer April 5 2018 11: 41
            +2
            Here you are generally raving. You have never been to the United States (something tells me) and write nonsense .. Who opposes armament? A couple of vysers was a LGBT student with a direct orientation stained with femenism. Do you mean these pseudo-speeches? So I tell you as a person who knows AMERICA not by hearsay.
            1. YOU carry complete nonsense.
            2. YOU have no idea about the processes taking place in society overseas.
            3. You have snippets of information from which you are trying to glue the "picture".
            The bulk of the US population is concentrated not in cities, megacities, but in such small towns. Where the entire population, including infants, is armed to the teeth. In percentage terms, the number of trunks and incidents involving shootings is simply insignificant. I understand that logic is not your strong point., But still. The population in America is about 360 million !!! Yes, yes 360 million. And how many if you count the number of executions per year? Count at your leisure. It helps. And what do you have there? And yes, the free sale of weapons in the US ... Who told you such nonsense? Have you thought of it yourself? Yes, laws from state to state are a little different, but NOBODY AND NEVER will sell weapons to you in a store just like a loaf of bread. Yes, now this procedure is quick showed military license and bought. BUT !!!! Your rights break through the federal police base and if you are not in it, the seller sells you a weapon if you are or are convicted or some other graters will arrest you immediately. AND NEVER AND NEVER ELSE!
            And about the legal and the state you will tell the bandit when he, as I had, with the ax will run after your (God forbid) brother or son.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 April 11 2018 23: 24
              0
              You have a very important mistake. The main US population is just concentrated in the largest metropolitan areas.
      2. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 31 March 2018 18: 12
        +5
        Quote: tracer
        What nah baton? You damn sick head
        My neighbor, a convict with three roots, almost killed my younger brother with an ax, I heard a noise and popped out of the house with IZHNUMX. I managed to thank God. If the heroes did not run away, he would have put everyone in place. Do you consider the life of criminals more important than the life of my brother, a student at a technical school? I would push you this stick away and deeply in this case.

        Why are you broke, hamlo? The man expressed his opinion ... I tried to explain it ... I don’t agree, explain calmly why ... But you start to be rude! And so allow weapons? belay God! Do not allow this! stop
      3. 97110
        97110 31 March 2018 20: 54
        +1
        Quote: tracer
        If the heroes did not run away, he would have put everyone in place.

        A friend with IL-27 noticed a leaving boar in the reeds. Shot from both trunks. The boar did not understand and went to understand. A friend loaded one barrel (well, how much time ..) and pulled the trigger from another. The boar got scared of a metal click and fled. You are exactly four of the IL-27 were going to put?
  9. bandabas
    bandabas 31 March 2018 13: 59
    +3
    The Russians will always be to blame. And the others are "Mi refugees."
    1. tracer
      tracer 31 March 2018 18: 21
      +1
      Yes, sometimes I don’t at all tolerate dissent in things, deeds and actions that I consider unacceptable. I apologize for being rude, but in fact I will not change my position a bit. I apologize if I offended anyone.
  10. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 31 March 2018 19: 26
    +2
    One question, how can this be categorized as "history"?
    Where are links to sources?
  11. Blue fox
    Blue fox April 1 2018 10: 20
    0
    Chewing and mooing something slurred over and over again. Smooth shotgun can be legally acquired quite simply, I consider all those certificates and permits justified, a little unfair to the current and former security forces, and then only in terms of length of service for rifled, in my opinion, but bearable. If we are engaged in weapons culture, then not small things are needed left and right (where to shoot from them is safe for others and yourself ???), here they should be for those who wish for a nominal fee and in the framework of teaching children in normal shooting ranges.
  12. Fedor egoist
    Fedor egoist April 1 2018 11: 55
    +9
    Again, the topic of civilian weapons - and again stupid, narrow-minded comments that ALL civilian weapons should be prohibited (including non-lethal ones - trauma and pneumatics). Neither clear figures about the lack of correlation between the number of trunks and the number of kills help. Not a reminder that the law is not tougher, the criminals will still have weapons + awareness of the impunity of its use, which is much more dangerous.
    And God forbid you all, Mr. forbidden men, to be in the place of Georgian Ossetians at 91m or in place of the Russians living in Chechnya at 92m. When YOUR guts will slowly be wrapped around the fence, and a loved one will be raped by four in your own home. And do not say that this will not happen, because it can never be. It was - and it will be. And more than once.
  13. Grishka cat
    Grishka cat April 2 2018 14: 18
    +1
    About small things: in the years of my youth (70s), probably, in every high school there were several small TOZ-8,12 small things, cartridges for them, targets and there was a shooting gallery. Let open, but done according to all the rules. And we high school boys under the guidance of an NVP teacher regularly shot at them with targets. We were very interested. After firing, they always cleaned their rifles. Accustomed ts. to arms. And there were no incidents and incidents. And it was free. And in other schools and secondary schools there were no excesses.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for April 2 2018 16: 23
      -1
      At that time there was a different mentality, a different psychology. A different way of thinking. Other ideals.
  14. trak
    trak April 3 2018 17: 14
    +1
    Author! Bravo! Write on such topics more often, you are doing great. God willing, it will be possible to trample in the foreseeable future the moral hoplofobov, who now defile the country in power, and common sense will prevail in us.
  15. solovald
    solovald April 4 2018 08: 30
    +1
    Let the zombie apocalypse come, I'm calm - I have two guns. am
  16. Yutas
    Yutas April 4 2018 11: 37
    +4
    Only the presence of weapons on hand and the willingness to use it can ensure the protection of life, honor, property. And the fuse click is much more convincing than all persuasion. Still to change laws accordingly. And to exclude, in principle, the concept of "traumatic", "weapon of limited destruction" ... Gunshot and a point.
    Just do not need demagogy about the bad Russian character, they say we shoot each other. Is there at least one example in the world of restrictions on gun ownership just because you are Russian? In Russia and under the tsar, and until the end of the 30s, weapons were freely circulated. And in the 60-70s guns calmly stood on racks in the Sporttovary store. Now senility has reached. You can’t buy a wad without a license. On hand is already about 7 million trunks, more powerful than pistols. Something I do not see mountains of corpses.
  17. Yutas
    Yutas April 4 2018 11: 38
    0
    Quote: Cat Grishka
    About small things: in the years of my youth (70s), probably, in every high school there were several small TOZ-8,12 small things, cartridges for them, targets and there was a shooting gallery. Let open, but done according to all the rules. And we high school boys under the guidance of an NVP teacher regularly shot at them with targets. We were very interested. After firing, they always cleaned their rifles. Accustomed ts. to arms. And there were no incidents and incidents. And it was free. And in other schools and secondary schools there were no excesses.


    It was the same. It only benefited.
  18. Molot1979
    Molot1979 April 11 2018 07: 03
    0
    Something of the author’s logic suffered over the bumps. He compares two completely different processes, but does not see the conclusions that lie on the surface. And so, if the "double-barrel shotgun saves from genocide," then why free sale of weapons? Secondly, why the free sale of clearly military weapons? After all, the tiny amount of hunting weapons that were in the hands of the population of Ossetia and Abkhazia in 1990 also quite successfully saves from genocide? To ensure safety, semi-automatic army-style rifles, it turns out, to nothing. This is the first.
    Second: we figured out the problem of genocide, what about the problem of mass executions? The presence of hundreds of millions of barrels in the United States is by no means only “suppressing more crimes by the citizens themselves than the police”, but also terrible massacres with dozens of victims and hundreds of wounded. And no one is in a hurry to calculate something, is the number of those “saved by the citizens themselves” so great in comparison with the number of those killed by demented gunsmiths? Otherwise, it may well turn out that there will be more than five times more people executed. We all know about such a problem that the police in the states shoots at everything that moves without even trying to enter into negotiations. The result - a lot of shot blacks aged 12 and above. But this is only one side of the coin. The second - because the population has a huge amount of weapons, the police simply do not want to take risks. Weapons exist to shoot and kill people. And therefore, it is easier and safer to kill first who can be armed. As a result, they even bring down those who did not even have a trunk. They, too, should be recorded as victims of the arms lobby and the love of some comrades for large guns. Our people are no less evil, but the probability of stumbling into bullets is still significantly lower, and therefore the victims of police lawlessness are orders of magnitude less. So is it worth it to follow the notorious asshole ... those who with pistols want to compensate for the lack of size of a well-known organ? Moreover, genocide and war are quite rare things even nowadays, and the chance to run into inadequate with a gun will grow once in a hundred?
    1. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO April 12 2018 04: 08
      0
      "So is it worth it to follow the notorious asshole ... those who use pistols to compensate for the lack of size of a well-known organ?"
      Hammer were you born in 1979? Or did you "serve" that year?
      Is it still big with you?
      Congratulations!
      And here I am old already! I walk with a cane. And, you know, the gun (and the revolver) compensates me with another "organ".
      Nah, not that one! Do not guess!
      It seems to me that you don’t have it at all.
  19. SSV
    SSV April 28 2018 15: 59
    0
    Not against civilian weapons, but before you sell them weapons, you need to clean up the country. It is terrible to imagine that the civilian arms market will be opened in our country and who it will end up with.