State Arms Program: Siluanov defeated Shoigu
For several years now we have been talking and writing about new Russian weapons systems, about new ships, about modernization tanks, about all kinds of PAC ... Almost daily in various publications you can read about something that other countries do not have. Any speech by the president or defense minister is relevant to this topic.
It is clear that in the conditions in which Russia is today, the need for rearmament is visible to all. Like the need to create a completely new weapons. Weapons capable of appeasing any foreign hawk.
The majority of the population, especially after the famous message of the president, had the impression of the ease of solving these problems. Tomorrow, maximum the day after tomorrow, we will receive the "Armat" in all tank units and formations. Infantry will roll out on BMP-4 or Kurganz-25.
Sailors will receive dozens of the most modern ships of various modifications. From the latest atomic military icebreakers and nuclear submarines to the latest frigates and tank landing ships.
The pilots will transfer to the cockpit of the fifth generation aircraft. The railroad will massively roll out the terrible "Barguzins" for the West. In the mines throughout the country will be strategic hypersonic complexes "Avangard", and on the roads roll mobile RK "Rubezh".
Here it is really appropriate to recall the very expression: not everything is so simple.
I remember the discussion of the State armament program for 2018-2027 years. How many copies were then broken? The military asked for a huge amount - 55 trillion rubles! Almost three times more than allocated for the LG-2020, which operated at that time.
After discussing and agreeing on all the little things, it seems that the amount was reduced to 30 trillion. Ultimately, the amount of 19 trillion rubles is included in the GPV. The government considered that this money should be enough for the necessary and sufficient rearmament of the army and fleet.
This is where the voices of our "mourners" cut through. "Chef, it's all gone!" With this money we can not do anything! Russia is defenseless! They betrayed us! Guard!
But really, some short-sighted readers wondered, where is the Armat serial release? Where is the promised Su-57 mass production? Why are ships and submarines stuck in shipyards? Goz collapses ...
Let's look at the realities of today's Russian army. On what we already have. Let's look at it from the point of view of modern types of weapons and equipment. We are trying to instill the idea of lagging precisely in this parameter.
Moreover, more and more media outlets are beginning, if not to sob, then moan on this topic.
Let's start with a shield that easily turns into a club. With strategic missile forces. Oh, it turns out that there today two thirds of the weapons replaced by modern. 66%! Few? Those who wish to answer this question, I advise you to compare the figures, for example, with the United States.
Those missiles that were in the Strategic Missile Forces prior to rearmament and are waiting for a replacement with modern ones fully met the requirements of the army. Another question: we need to be confident on 100% in the effectiveness of our strike. And it was here that the dog was buried. "Old" weapons did not give such confidence. As, for example, today Americans are not sure about their own missiles.
One may yell from the other side of the ocean about the fact that Russia is continuing the arms race. Well, we continue. So what? And the fact that we are improving our weapons where it is beneficial to us.
We can build rockets. Know how? We are able to. Here we build them. US know how to build aircraft carriers. Undoubtedly. Here they are building them.
Parity, however. The fact that one "Yars" in the normal scenario will incinerate half of any US fleet, but "Nimitz" is unlikely to be able to nail down the "Yars" before the launch, it is understandable. But these are already internal problems of the parties, as it were.
Another major component of the modern army, as shown by modern military conflicts, is the HAC. 73%! Such is the share of modern weapons of the Russian VKS. Three quarters of the total. It seems to be great.
Yes, of course, a significant step. If you do not compare quantitatively with the flying arsenal of NATO.
So if we talk about the quantitative lag. Yes, the quality of our aircraft is at least better than potential aircraft. As a maximum - a head taller. The quantitative question is yes. However, there are nuances. And the main thing - we, unlike NATO, almost do not have to "work" at such a distance, as in Syria.
Accordingly, the support of the rest of the armed forces "if anything happens" on our borders is provided.
We turn to the "failure", in terms of skeptics, parts of our army.
Ground troops. Slightly less than half re-armed. More precisely, 45%. Maybe you need to shout "guard"? Half of our land carriers use outdated equipment and weapons. And if you think?
We have a huge country. Parts and formations of ground forces are located not only in "dangerous" regions, but also deep in the rear. This is a strategic necessity.
But the need to urgently change the "outdated" tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in the "rear" parts. Obsolete does not mean incompetent. Most of our weapons from the "old" stocks at least not inferior to Western models. In military operations in Syria, for example, both sides do an excellent job with Soviet weapons and armored vehicles.
The same is true in Ukraine, by the way.
At about the same level and rearmament of the Navy. At present, the fleet is equipped with new weapons on 47%. Here it is really small. Yes, and these percentages were born exclusively at the expense of small ships, boats and submarines.
And our "Soviet" ships are really too old and inferior to Western ones. The reason is clear.
The destruction of the USSR fleet was a priority for the United States. Dominance in the oceans has provided the American army with opportunities to strike practically anywhere in the world. Our traitors-presidents "request the United States" fulfilled with interest.
In addition to the obvious betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, we became hostages of the Soviet system of regionalization of production. The destruction of industrial contacts with Ukraine, alas, has hit the shipyards a lot. Ships that were at the final stage of production were left without engines ...
According to open data, today is unfinished in Russian shipyards is huge. 12 submarines, 8 frigates of the project 22350, 3 of the frigate of the project 11356, 20 of corvettes, 2 of the tank landing ship of the project 11711.
These are the numbers of what we should have already received in the fleet. Even advertised patrol icebreakers for the Arctic project 23550 (2 pcs.) While stuck on the Admiralty Shipyard.
Plus upgrades and overhauls.
And here it is worth noting that the fleet-2020 fleet, together with the VKS, was officially proclaimed a state priority. And such a result. What will happen next, when the interests of the now heavily lagged re-equipment of the ground forces are put in priority, it is generally difficult to say.
In the light of the future redistribution of financial resources, which, moreover, are constantly being curtailed. The administration Shoigu definitely loses the battle for the budget to the financiers.
And, by the way, there are not many complaints about the latter. Meaning to give money if the projects can not be implemented? You can understand.
On the whole, Putin Putin’s aide, Andrei Belousov, put an end to the talk about accelerated modernization of the Russian army and navy.
Translate?
Today, Russia already has the necessary and sufficient minimum of modern weapons and equipment. Further movement frankly overtax the budget.
There is no money, but ... And there will not be.
Because there will be nothing from the series, which so happily waved by many.
1. There will be no "Almaty". Expensive.
2. There will be no "Kurganza" and BMPT. Expensive.
Moreover, this is indirectly confirmed by the information that the BMP-1 is quite a combat vehicle. Now they will throw a new module on it “Berezhok” and ... Forward, God forbid, not on mines.
3. There will be no Su-57. More precisely, the installation series is being built, the tests, everything will last for many years.
4. There will be no PAK YES. It is clear that not just. Apparently, the horse didn’t roll there, and the rainbow projects didn’t go further. Therefore, apparently having understood the situation, Putin gave the command to modernize and build the Tu-160.
5. There will be (thank God) aircraft carriers. Here, too, everything is clear, as with the PAK YES. Full NO. I would like to saw off, but who would give. Putin did not give. Perfectly.
And actually, what are the aircraft carriers here, sorry? We cannot build a frigate ...
6. There will be no destroyers and frigates. In doubt, we hope. But while the ships immobilized by the Ukrainian sanctions were frozen in the docks.
In addition, there are two words about ships. "Nakhimov" and "Lazarev" these words.
7. Will not be excluded now from GPV "Rubezh". Instead of a mobile complex, there will now be a mine Avangard. Both models Bolivar (in the sense of the budget) did not pull.
8. There will be no Barguzin БЖРК. Expensive. And it seems not to be necessary.
All work on the "Frontier" and "Barguzin" frozen until the end of 2027 year. The decision to resume this work will be made after the implementation of the current weapons program. If it is done and so on.
Actually, if you dig, it would be possible to dig as many more “innocently in the world” military developments, which were first shaken before the public, and then quietly removed until better times.
In fact, today we have the following: it suddenly turned out that Russia is not able to spend such funds on defense. It is sad. On the other hand, the military clearly demonstrated a complete disability in disbursing funds. The 55 trillions of rubles requested by Shoigu’s office were simply a fairy tale from the “Get out, shoulder, swing, arm!” Series
Actually, all the work from 2014 of the year to our time has shown that there can be no talk of any 70% of new equipment for ALL types of armed forces. Not those times now.
Not in the money, by the way. Then at least fill up with money, but if there is a shortage of specialists, then there is no way out of it.
Therefore, year after year, Shoigu lost the position to Siluanov. Money was allocated, not settled (to steal so much is simply unrealistic), the amounts were adjusted.
As a result, 55 remains from 17 trillions of rubles. About what our chief optimist from defense Dmitry Rogozin cheerfully and joyfully reported.
On the one hand, it’s great that they threw out frankly insane and unviable projects of the type PAK DA, “Storm” and “Leader”. This is how it is already with the fat our military began to rage.
It is impossible not to kick the "carrier-based" concept. Build as many as three aircraft carriers, one each at the Federation Council and the Pacific Fleet, and one type in reserve, in case one of the first two repairs. Deliberate and stupid, especially in light of the fact that a destroyer or frigate CAN'T BUILD.
And what do we have in the end? We have a program of LG that has been finalized three times. The Siluanov Office finally defeated Shoigu.
It remains only to speculate on what will go "saved" trillions. "Oil instead of guns" would be preferable to "pipelines instead of tanks." We'll see. But in the implementation of the first concept in the light of the declared increases in taxes, excise taxes, pension retirement is hard to believe.
It is clear that in the conditions in which Russia is today, the need for rearmament is visible to all. Like the need to create a completely new weapons. Weapons capable of appeasing any foreign hawk.
The majority of the population, especially after the famous message of the president, had the impression of the ease of solving these problems. Tomorrow, maximum the day after tomorrow, we will receive the "Armat" in all tank units and formations. Infantry will roll out on BMP-4 or Kurganz-25.
Sailors will receive dozens of the most modern ships of various modifications. From the latest atomic military icebreakers and nuclear submarines to the latest frigates and tank landing ships.
The pilots will transfer to the cockpit of the fifth generation aircraft. The railroad will massively roll out the terrible "Barguzins" for the West. In the mines throughout the country will be strategic hypersonic complexes "Avangard", and on the roads roll mobile RK "Rubezh".
Here it is really appropriate to recall the very expression: not everything is so simple.
I remember the discussion of the State armament program for 2018-2027 years. How many copies were then broken? The military asked for a huge amount - 55 trillion rubles! Almost three times more than allocated for the LG-2020, which operated at that time.
After discussing and agreeing on all the little things, it seems that the amount was reduced to 30 trillion. Ultimately, the amount of 19 trillion rubles is included in the GPV. The government considered that this money should be enough for the necessary and sufficient rearmament of the army and fleet.
This is where the voices of our "mourners" cut through. "Chef, it's all gone!" With this money we can not do anything! Russia is defenseless! They betrayed us! Guard!
But really, some short-sighted readers wondered, where is the Armat serial release? Where is the promised Su-57 mass production? Why are ships and submarines stuck in shipyards? Goz collapses ...
Let's look at the realities of today's Russian army. On what we already have. Let's look at it from the point of view of modern types of weapons and equipment. We are trying to instill the idea of lagging precisely in this parameter.
Moreover, more and more media outlets are beginning, if not to sob, then moan on this topic.
Let's start with a shield that easily turns into a club. With strategic missile forces. Oh, it turns out that there today two thirds of the weapons replaced by modern. 66%! Few? Those who wish to answer this question, I advise you to compare the figures, for example, with the United States.
Those missiles that were in the Strategic Missile Forces prior to rearmament and are waiting for a replacement with modern ones fully met the requirements of the army. Another question: we need to be confident on 100% in the effectiveness of our strike. And it was here that the dog was buried. "Old" weapons did not give such confidence. As, for example, today Americans are not sure about their own missiles.
One may yell from the other side of the ocean about the fact that Russia is continuing the arms race. Well, we continue. So what? And the fact that we are improving our weapons where it is beneficial to us.
We can build rockets. Know how? We are able to. Here we build them. US know how to build aircraft carriers. Undoubtedly. Here they are building them.
Parity, however. The fact that one "Yars" in the normal scenario will incinerate half of any US fleet, but "Nimitz" is unlikely to be able to nail down the "Yars" before the launch, it is understandable. But these are already internal problems of the parties, as it were.
Another major component of the modern army, as shown by modern military conflicts, is the HAC. 73%! Such is the share of modern weapons of the Russian VKS. Three quarters of the total. It seems to be great.
Yes, of course, a significant step. If you do not compare quantitatively with the flying arsenal of NATO.
So if we talk about the quantitative lag. Yes, the quality of our aircraft is at least better than potential aircraft. As a maximum - a head taller. The quantitative question is yes. However, there are nuances. And the main thing - we, unlike NATO, almost do not have to "work" at such a distance, as in Syria.
Accordingly, the support of the rest of the armed forces "if anything happens" on our borders is provided.
We turn to the "failure", in terms of skeptics, parts of our army.
Ground troops. Slightly less than half re-armed. More precisely, 45%. Maybe you need to shout "guard"? Half of our land carriers use outdated equipment and weapons. And if you think?
We have a huge country. Parts and formations of ground forces are located not only in "dangerous" regions, but also deep in the rear. This is a strategic necessity.
But the need to urgently change the "outdated" tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in the "rear" parts. Obsolete does not mean incompetent. Most of our weapons from the "old" stocks at least not inferior to Western models. In military operations in Syria, for example, both sides do an excellent job with Soviet weapons and armored vehicles.
The same is true in Ukraine, by the way.
At about the same level and rearmament of the Navy. At present, the fleet is equipped with new weapons on 47%. Here it is really small. Yes, and these percentages were born exclusively at the expense of small ships, boats and submarines.
And our "Soviet" ships are really too old and inferior to Western ones. The reason is clear.
The destruction of the USSR fleet was a priority for the United States. Dominance in the oceans has provided the American army with opportunities to strike practically anywhere in the world. Our traitors-presidents "request the United States" fulfilled with interest.
In addition to the obvious betrayal of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, we became hostages of the Soviet system of regionalization of production. The destruction of industrial contacts with Ukraine, alas, has hit the shipyards a lot. Ships that were at the final stage of production were left without engines ...
According to open data, today is unfinished in Russian shipyards is huge. 12 submarines, 8 frigates of the project 22350, 3 of the frigate of the project 11356, 20 of corvettes, 2 of the tank landing ship of the project 11711.
These are the numbers of what we should have already received in the fleet. Even advertised patrol icebreakers for the Arctic project 23550 (2 pcs.) While stuck on the Admiralty Shipyard.
Plus upgrades and overhauls.
And here it is worth noting that the fleet-2020 fleet, together with the VKS, was officially proclaimed a state priority. And such a result. What will happen next, when the interests of the now heavily lagged re-equipment of the ground forces are put in priority, it is generally difficult to say.
In the light of the future redistribution of financial resources, which, moreover, are constantly being curtailed. The administration Shoigu definitely loses the battle for the budget to the financiers.
And, by the way, there are not many complaints about the latter. Meaning to give money if the projects can not be implemented? You can understand.
On the whole, Putin Putin’s aide, Andrei Belousov, put an end to the talk about accelerated modernization of the Russian army and navy.
We have passed the peak of the saturation cycle of the armed forces with new types of weapons and military equipment.
Translate?
Today, Russia already has the necessary and sufficient minimum of modern weapons and equipment. Further movement frankly overtax the budget.
There is no money, but ... And there will not be.
Because there will be nothing from the series, which so happily waved by many.
1. There will be no "Almaty". Expensive.
2. There will be no "Kurganza" and BMPT. Expensive.
Moreover, this is indirectly confirmed by the information that the BMP-1 is quite a combat vehicle. Now they will throw a new module on it “Berezhok” and ... Forward, God forbid, not on mines.
3. There will be no Su-57. More precisely, the installation series is being built, the tests, everything will last for many years.
4. There will be no PAK YES. It is clear that not just. Apparently, the horse didn’t roll there, and the rainbow projects didn’t go further. Therefore, apparently having understood the situation, Putin gave the command to modernize and build the Tu-160.
5. There will be (thank God) aircraft carriers. Here, too, everything is clear, as with the PAK YES. Full NO. I would like to saw off, but who would give. Putin did not give. Perfectly.
And actually, what are the aircraft carriers here, sorry? We cannot build a frigate ...
6. There will be no destroyers and frigates. In doubt, we hope. But while the ships immobilized by the Ukrainian sanctions were frozen in the docks.
In addition, there are two words about ships. "Nakhimov" and "Lazarev" these words.
7. Will not be excluded now from GPV "Rubezh". Instead of a mobile complex, there will now be a mine Avangard. Both models Bolivar (in the sense of the budget) did not pull.
8. There will be no Barguzin БЖРК. Expensive. And it seems not to be necessary.
All work on the "Frontier" and "Barguzin" frozen until the end of 2027 year. The decision to resume this work will be made after the implementation of the current weapons program. If it is done and so on.
Actually, if you dig, it would be possible to dig as many more “innocently in the world” military developments, which were first shaken before the public, and then quietly removed until better times.
In fact, today we have the following: it suddenly turned out that Russia is not able to spend such funds on defense. It is sad. On the other hand, the military clearly demonstrated a complete disability in disbursing funds. The 55 trillions of rubles requested by Shoigu’s office were simply a fairy tale from the “Get out, shoulder, swing, arm!” Series
Actually, all the work from 2014 of the year to our time has shown that there can be no talk of any 70% of new equipment for ALL types of armed forces. Not those times now.
Not in the money, by the way. Then at least fill up with money, but if there is a shortage of specialists, then there is no way out of it.
Therefore, year after year, Shoigu lost the position to Siluanov. Money was allocated, not settled (to steal so much is simply unrealistic), the amounts were adjusted.
As a result, 55 remains from 17 trillions of rubles. About what our chief optimist from defense Dmitry Rogozin cheerfully and joyfully reported.
On the one hand, it’s great that they threw out frankly insane and unviable projects of the type PAK DA, “Storm” and “Leader”. This is how it is already with the fat our military began to rage.
It is impossible not to kick the "carrier-based" concept. Build as many as three aircraft carriers, one each at the Federation Council and the Pacific Fleet, and one type in reserve, in case one of the first two repairs. Deliberate and stupid, especially in light of the fact that a destroyer or frigate CAN'T BUILD.
And what do we have in the end? We have a program of LG that has been finalized three times. The Siluanov Office finally defeated Shoigu.
It remains only to speculate on what will go "saved" trillions. "Oil instead of guns" would be preferable to "pipelines instead of tanks." We'll see. But in the implementation of the first concept in the light of the declared increases in taxes, excise taxes, pension retirement is hard to believe.
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