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White outlaws, or who awaits Russian officers in Africa (part 1)

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At the end of February of this year, a funeral wreath lay on the heyday of "democracy" in South Africa. news: The country's parliament by a majority vote voted for the expropriation of the lands of the white colonists without any compensation. In general, there is nothing surprising, since what began under the slogan “Kill the Boer”, which neither the “democratic” West did not want to point out, nor, sadly, some Soviet communists from the ideological unit could not end otherwise. Under the mute of struggle with apartheid, not understanding the essence of this phenomenon, the black cave racism crawled into the wide world. And this is not a figure of speech, because in the parliament of this bending country, the initiator of the bill, Julius Malema, directly stated that "the time for reconciliation is over."




Julius Maleme

By the way, Julius is a typical Nazi. And this young man was brought up by the African National Congress Party (ANC), i.e. the very rainbow and cemented by myths organization whose president was licked by the press and cinema Nelson Mandela. Now, Malema is actively campaigning for weaning from the white population not only land, but also mines, factories, factories, and mincemeat, and personal property.

In between the discrimination of white Africans and open attacks on unwanted journalists (Julius regularly “punches” his position in the media with his fists), this political leader rolls on to the super popular Nigerian preacher Josua TB. Citizen Joshua’s Church regularly reports healing, miracles, and even offers services of rituals resembling exorcism, and the pastor himself is credited with a prophetic gift and at the same time a fortune of several tens of millions of dollars.

Therefore, despite the fact that Malem was repeatedly accused of tax evasion, money laundering and a call for extremism (“cutting the whites” - a quote), he remains Teflon. Even when in the 2013 year, Malem was taken on a hot trip after traveling at a speed of 215 km / h in his BMW in a specific state of consciousness, he was immediately released after paying a fine in the 5000 rand (however, this is also familiar to us). Whether influential friends serve as a support for the indefatigable Julius. Whether the ability, with the help of the old as the world and the promising slogan “to take away and divide”, to mobilize the illiterate black masses to unrest helps it not to fall out of the cage. Either the entire schizophrenic reality of South Africa has led to the untouchability of such citizens.



Mass unrest in support of Malema

Most likely the last. And here it is necessary to roll back a little when the same horror story of “apartheid” arose, in the fight against which it finally disappeared into the fog of myths and stereotypes historical objectivity, like modern realities. It was this information fog that led the townsfolk to believe that whites in South Africa are an anachronism of a planter with slaves, the country itself gets rich only thanks to the work of blacks, and the population is strictly divided into a living white minority and a single oppressed black majority ... The latter is absolutely fierce nonsense, given that the people of Kos and Zulu, even at the end of the apartheid dismantlement, slaughtered each other with Auschwitz enthusiasm. And this despite the fact that both belonged to a group of Bantu peoples.



This photo I would call "Oh, my wet nurse!"

The first white settlers from Europe appeared in South Africa in the 17 century. And the Bantu peoples, who are now crying the most about “injustice,” did not even smell there. At that time, small and fragmented groups of Bushmen and Hottentots, belonging to the Khoisan language family, lived on parts of the vast territory of the future South Africa. Peoples were engaged in nomadic cattle breeding, gathering and hunting. According to one version, they were pushed to the south by the Bantu peoples.

Much later than these events in the 19 century, a large expansion of the Bantu peoples began. The ruler of the Zulus Chuck gave a big push in this direction, he is sometimes called black Napoleon. Chuck was the illegitimate son of a Zulus ruler. Dad did not really complain about the “left” family and soon drove the mother along with her son. My son grew up, saddened, tied up with the support of a neighboring tribe, and he himself ascended to the throne of Zulu.

Having crushed rivals in a small vinaigrette, Chuck got a taste and decided to create a real empire. The main achievement of Chuck’s rule is advanced, for the African continent, naturally, reform of the troops. The mobilization of the male population was introduced, the previously formless crowd was divided into units, regular training and exercises were conducted, and the previously generally accepted mating even in the conditions of the campaign was prohibited under pain of death. Thanks to strict discipline, the new Zulus empire began to grow before our eyes. Tribes, formerly peaceful and sedentary, falling under the dictates of the "black Napoleon" were obliged to serve him or ... or all. So the empire set in motion thousands of people in the south of the continent - someone fled to desert lands, someone joined the Zulu army. All these events went down in history under the name “mfekane,” which means grinding is a good term, isn't it. The people involved in the bloody circulation themselves became conquerors in the Zulu army, or simply during the search for new lands.

White outlaws, or who awaits Russian officers in Africa (part 1)


Chuck in person

Chuck himself was characterized by despotism and bloodyness. As a full-blooded absolute monarch, as he himself believed, Chuck decided to bend any power under him - be it judicial or religious. Over bumps suffered an old proven system of sorcerers. There was a murmur in the people. As a result, "black Napoleon" killed his own brother.

At the same time, the Zulu empire was already in military clashes, not only with the Boers, but also with the Hottentots and Bushmen, whom the Zulus happily slaughtered. The expansion of the so-called "country of the Zulus" was generally accompanied by a massacre of entire villages, but this is not to be taken into account. But the movement of the Boers into territories that have never been controlled by an individual people, either politically or militarily, is called “bloody”. At the same time, the resettlement of the Boers was essentially an escape from the British. And, being on the border and partly controlled lands of the new Zulu empire with small foci of under-cut Bushmen, they sent ambassadors to the emperor to get permission to build and live. They were received in the best traditions of Chuck, i.e. just like Chuck himself finished.

War broke out. The immigrants caught in the way, cut out with their families. A week after the killing of the ambassadors, the Zulu killed over half a thousand Boers. Finally, the Boers, enjoying the fame of good hunters and accurate shooters, without being able to retreat (simply nowhere), in one of the decisive battles - the battle on the Bloody River - won a brilliant victory. Several hundred Boers armed with a gunshot weaponsdestroyed about 3000 Zulu warriors. As a result, the Zulu agreed to give the white colonists the land south of the Tugela River (now this place is south of Johannesburg and Pretoria itself) and not to disturb them anymore (which did not last long). It was there that the Boer Republic of Natal was founded - the political forerunner of the Transvaal and the Orange state.



Monument in honor of the battle on the Bloody River. Immortalized in the stone van of the Boers, used as a fortification

Even then, the territory of present-day South Africa was monstrously divided by lifestyle, ethnic composition, etc. In the south, the rules of Britain in the form of the Cape Colony were the ball, Natal and the Zulu lands were located to the northeast, a little later the Transvaal and the Orange State emerged further north. And this is not counting several quasi-states, such as the Eastern and Western Greenvaland, which were inhabited by the sub-ethnic Grikva - the result of intermarriage of Boers and Bushmen. By that time, the grikva legally considered themselves an indigenous people, since Boers lived in these territories for about 200 years, and the Bushmen for thousands of years.

At the same time one of the main stones in the garden of the Boers, who threw both in those days and now, was slavery. The fact took place. The Boers, like all the inhabitants of Africa at that time, used slaves. The slaves were exploited, in fact, not legally, and the British colonies in Africa, and the Belgian, and the black Africans themselves loved the exploitation of manpower, especially the conquered tribes. Even in the “ideal” USA, slavery was abolished in 1865, and the last state to ratify this abolition was Mississippi in 2013 ...

However, Natal was not able to gain complete independence from the British. Squeezing the Boers with attacks on their way of life, taxes and outright disregard continued. Detachments of white Africans rushed to the northeast. On the lands of the future republic of the Transvaal and the Orange Free State, they unexpectedly for themselves were drawn into a tribal war. As it turned out, shortly before the Boers, one of the former military leaders of Chuck, Mzilikazi, coached the land. This leader led the people of Ndebele, who had already waged a long war of all against all, and began to rule no worse than his "boss", grinding all uncontrolled tribes. The remains of the Vendian and Bushman tribes were forced to flee.



Map of South Africa. Notice the size of the territories in which clashes with the Bantu peoples — Natal and Transvaal — were recorded and compare with all sizes of South Africa, in particular the Cape Colony

Mzilikazi naturally attacked the Boer troops. October 16 1836 of the year 5-thousandth army of Ndebele attacked the squad of Andris Potgitera. To break through the circle of vans, which during the attack were instantly lined up by the efforts of the Boers in the form of original defensive structures, the Ndebeli could not, but they stole the cattle. The detachment was facing the threat of famine. And suddenly help came from the leader of the Rolong tribe, who was forced to flee from the militant Mzilikazi with his despotism. Rolong sent a detachment of fresh cattle with a mischievous thought to podgadit his enemy. As a result, the Boers managed to defeat the Mzilikazi troops and drive him out of these lands.

In view of all the above events, it is impossible in principle to talk about any tribe autochthonousness, since the territories for which the tribes were driven out by the tribes became their home for the peoples, in order to drive out other tribes themselves. At the same time, attempts to cultivate the stereotype of wise Aboriginal people living in unity with nature seem to be full of light pink idiocy. Since all the “wisdom” consisted in the fact that good is when my tribe stole cattle, and evil when my tribe stole cattle. However, little has changed.



Boer squad

Soon, as a result of the huge number of political, military and economic (after all, the Boers did not refuse to trade freely with the British, they only wanted to preserve their way of life and their rights) Transvaal (1856-60) was created with its capital in Pretoria (in this area the main settlement camp — Kraal — located Mzilikazi) and the Orange Free State with its center in Bloemfontein (1854 year). However, many years of peace were not to be expected. Against the background of a sluggish war with the Zulus, which, often out of habit and without the knowledge of the supreme rulers, attacked the Boer farms, the First Anglo-Boer War (1880-1881) and then the Second (1899-1902) broke out first.

And here Russian volunteers come to the fore. However, these were not isolated desperate adventurers, and, as often happens, simple adventurers. Many of our volunteers were quite successful people, prudent and at the same time possessing the Russian mentality with its constant search for justice. Indeed, by that time, news of the practice of using concentration camps and the monstrous methods of warfare of the British against the Boers had come to the Russian Empire. The names of Yevgeny Maximov, who will become a “fencing general” in the Boer army, Fyodor and Alexander Guchkov, Eugene Augustus, Vladimir Semenov, who later became famous as a prominent architect, author of plans to restore Stalingrad and Sevastopol, and many others, will remain in history.

To be continued ...
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  1. BNVSurgut
    BNVSurgut 30 March 2018 05: 33
    +10
    Thank you, I didn’t.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 March 2018 05: 39
      +17
      Thanks for the story. I look forward to continuing.
    2. Artek
      Artek 30 March 2018 10: 19
      0
      At the same time, the resettlement of the Boers was essentially an escape from the British. And, having appeared on the lands bordering and partly controlled by the new Zulu empire with small foci of undercut Bushmen, they sent ambassadors to the ruler of the empire to obtain permission to build and live. They were treated in the best traditions of Chuck, i.e. just like Chuck himself finished.
      War broke out. Immigrants caught along the way were slaughtered by entire families. A week after the murder of the ambassadors, the Zulus destroyed over five hundred Boers. Finally, the Boers, known as good hunters and well-aimed shooters, unable to retreat (just nowhere), in one of the decisive battles - the battle on the Bloody River - won a brilliant victory. Several hundred Boers, armed with firearms, destroyed about 3000 Zulu warriors.


      such a "story" is called complete nonsense. No Zulu / Zusul could harm the white inhabitants of Africa who own firearms. All these atrocities against the Boers could be committed only by the eternal conquerors of the whole world - these are the Angles who exterminated the Scots, Irish, American Indians , the Chinese, the Indians, who actually perpetrated the phenomenon of slavery, when all these "warlike" Zulus, like cattle brought to America and sold on the cotton plantation.
      Apparently, the Boer civilization was so different from the English one that there could not be any peace between them, so the Boer Wars began, and in order to cover up their atrocities, the Angles invented “aggressive Zulus”. Such a story is more understandable. For example, nowadays, in our time, slavery began again on the British Isles, when black immigrants are exploited like cattle and have no rights, i.e., as the Angles were colonialists in those days, they have remained now. And all sorts of nonsense to write how primitive communal tribes successfully fought with white armed guns is just English propaganda.
      There is such an old trick in history - “divide and conquer”, divide history into episodes, ascribe to others all the evil that emanates from itself — and then you can rule the world as much as you like.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 March 2018 12: 14
        +35
        Quote: Artek
        No Zulus / Zulus could harm the white inhabitants of Africa who own firearms.

        You tell Lieutenant Colonel Pullein about the power of firearms. Apparently, the Zulus, who defeated his detachment of 1700 people with two guns (losses - 1329 killed), did not know that they couldn't harm white african people who own firearms. smile
        1. Artek
          Artek 30 March 2018 13: 08
          -2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Artek
          No Zulus / Zulus could harm the white inhabitants of Africa who own firearms.

          You tell Lieutenant Colonel Pullein about the power of firearms. Apparently, the Zulus, who defeated his detachment of 1700 people with two guns (losses - 1329 killed), did not know that they couldn't harm white african people who own firearms. smile

          it's a frangue
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 March 2018 15: 11
            +22
            Quote: Artek
            it's a frangue

            Yeah ... 52 dead officers (including both commanders - lieutenant colonels Dernford and Pullane), 727 dead soldiers of the British Regular Army - this, of course, is a lie.
            As a result of this battle, the Commander-in-Chief of the British troops in South Africa and the Prime Minister Disraeli lost their posts (the lost battle led to the defeat of his party in the elections).
            1. Artek
              Artek 30 March 2018 15: 32
              0
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Quote: Artek
              it's a frangue

              Yeah ... 52 dead officers (including both commanders - lieutenant colonels Dernford and Pullane), 727 dead soldiers of the British Regular Army - this, of course, is a lie.
              As a result of this battle, the Commander-in-Chief of the British troops in South Africa and the Prime Minister Disraeli lost their posts (the lost battle led to the defeat of his party in the elections).


              poisoned arrows spat on the Anglician soldiers, or let a herd of mad hippos go? Under the Balaclava, 350 British were killed, although they were shot at with point-blank guns and rifles.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 30 March 2018 17: 14
                +20
                Quote: Artek
                poisoned arrows spat on the Anglician soldiers, or let a herd of mad hippos go? not otherwise.

                Everything is simpler: the length of the battle lines of limes, a 12-fold numerical superiority of the Zulus, the surprise of the attack (the limes were scouted for reconnaissance), an attack from several sides at once and a quick rapprochement with the enemy with the transfer to hand-to-hand combat despite the losses. The Zulus did not take prisoners and pursued the fleeing enemy to the last.
                Do not forget that the firearms of that time are single-shot rifles. The ammunition which was stored in packs packed in zinc, packed in sturdy wooden crates. Moreover, these boxes were in the wagon train, and cartridges were given out to the traders only in bulk. In the movie about the battle at Rorks-Drift, they showed how much time it takes to bring cartridges ... and what happens if, for example, a key is lost that opens zinc.
                Plus, when shooting, the rifle overheated after a dozen shots at a fast pace.

                The point in the confrontation between the natives and the army in the colonies was set by the appearance of automatic small arms. As Hillary Bellock wrote:
                Whatever happens, we have got
                The Maxim gun, and they have not.
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                  1. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA 30 March 2018 19: 02
                    +18
                    Quote: Artek
                    Negroes are the same soldiers as the Mongols, some sheep graze, others also graze sheep, what kind of soldiers are they?

                    Do not confuse present-day Africa and the Zulus of the 12th century. The Boers and the British faced a state waging successful conquest wars, the army of which considered itself invincible. To cope with the Zulus, the British had to send a XNUMX-strong regular army corps with artillery to Africa. And in the public consciousness of Britain, the Zulus as an adversary stood on the same level with the Afghan.
                    1. Artek
                      Artek 30 March 2018 19: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      Quote: Artek
                      Negroes are the same soldiers as the Mongols, some sheep graze, others also graze sheep, what kind of soldiers are they?

                      Do not confuse present-day Africa and the Zulus of the 12th century. The Boers and the British faced a state waging successful conquest wars, the army of which considered itself invincible. To cope with the Zulus, the British had to send a XNUMX-strong regular army corps with artillery to Africa. And in the public consciousness of Britain, the Zulus as an adversary stood on the same level with the Afghan.


                      and how could the Negro soldiers of the 19th century differ from the modern ones? Are they then armored armed elephants, as in the lord of the rings? I already tell one more tactical expert what is the simplest army, what is needed for this, mass production of weapons, iron smelting, forges, mines, coal production, it is necessary to have a BIG STOCK OF FOOD, and blacks in those days hunted partly, some may had livestock and had no farming, which means they couldn’t store food for the future, so they went with their herds and wild herds.
                      You also have an undeveloped idea of ​​the life of blacks at that time. They could not assemble a large army, but could only a few gangs, as now attack the Angles from an ambush. In short, divide all the numbers of "English losses" by 1000 - this will be real English losses.
                      As for the 12 thousand soldiers, this is not for war, but for the protection of large territories.
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 30 March 2018 20: 52
                        +18
                        Quote: Artek
                        and how could

                        Young man, besides Murzilka or modern comics, are you still reading? No?
                        Then why did you pile up such huge comments by signing in your ignorance?
                        To expand your knowledge ..
                        http://gauteng.ru/istoriya-kul-tura-traditscii/zu
                        lusy.html
                        и
                        http://www.istorio.net/istoriya-gosudarstva-zulu-
                        v-19-veke-sem-dnej-istorii /
                        Find the rest yourself.
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac April 7 2018 23: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      To cope with the Zulus, the British had to send a 12-strong regular army corps with artillery to Africa.

                      Yeah, surprisingly, Cornwallis also had a corps in the USA ... eight thousandth. Apparently the Zulu army was abruptly American? Where the American volunteers are, the Zulus are the power of AAAA.
                  2. slaventi
                    slaventi 31 March 2018 05: 05
                    +13
                    A connoisseur of history, the Mongols are excellent wars and organizers and created the greatest empire in the world. Your stinky Britain could only fight the Aborigines. Destroying them by millions. Like in China and India. with the help of drugs and artificial hunger. There is no meaner people like the British around the world. And the Russian people will not regret if Albion drowns with his mists and vile scum calling themselves British.
                    1. Artek
                      Artek 31 March 2018 07: 16
                      0
                      Quote: slaventi
                      A connoisseur of history, the Mongols are excellent wars and organizers and have created the greatest empire in the world.


                      Well, yes, like these “bantas” they “created” and let the peoples around mow right and left. Then they sharply degraded and let's fall back on the ram.
                      1. Usher
                        Usher 27 May 2018 10: 10
                        0
                        Mow the nations? You know the story first ignoramus. In the sense of degrading? Are you a progressive dofiga? Judging by your cries, you are just degrading.
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac April 7 2018 23: 13
                      +6
                      Quote: slaventi
                      Mongols are great wars and organizers and created the greatest empire in the world

                      It is a pity that the Mongols themselves learned about this only in the nineteenth century, including the fact that they are Mongols.
                      1. Usher
                        Usher 27 May 2018 10: 09
                        -1
                        What are you talking about? The Mongols knew this very well and know it. Unlike you, the Mongols know their entire family.
                  3. Setrac
                    Setrac April 7 2018 23: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Artek
                    how, with such losses from primitive aborigines, England was able to achieve the conquest of the world.

                    The Zulus are the shakers of the universe, right behind the Mongols. Why build a modern army? You just need to take an example from the Mongols and Zulus.
                    1. Usher
                      Usher 27 May 2018 10: 13
                      0
                      What kind of idiotic remarks? What do you want to achieve in such terms? At that time, these were the most combat-ready armies. What do you think in those days the Russians or whoever had machine guns and guns? The army of the Mongols was at times better equipped and efficient than other nations, which has been proven for several centuries. So that would cover your mouth
              2. andj61
                andj61 31 March 2018 23: 12
                +1
                Hippos have nothing to do with it ...
                But when 1700-20, or even 30 thousand, attack 50 people, then neither single-shot guns, nor a few guns will help - machine guns are needed here, and not a dozen. But the detachment had no machine guns. By the way, in the same way, herero fought with the Germans in Namibia - with spears and bows for multi-shot rifles, guns and machine guns. In the end, the Germans in Namibia, and the British won in South Africa. hi
                1. Artek
                  Artek April 1 2018 07: 37
                  0
                  Quote: andj61
                  Hippos have nothing to do with it ...
                  But when 1700-20, or even 30 thousand, attack 50 people, then neither single-shot guns, nor a few guns will help - machine guns are needed here, and not a dozen. But the detachment had no machine guns. By the way, in the same way, herero fought with the Germans in Namibia - with spears and bows for multi-shot rifles, guns and machine guns. In the end, the Germans in Namibia, and the British won in South Africa. hi


                  you are probably a big inventor, try the figure of 500000 evil zusuls, you will like it more.
                2. Alf
                  Alf April 1 2018 22: 34
                  0
                  Quote: andj61
                  In the end, the Germans in Namibia, and the British won in South Africa.

                  The blacks ran out before the cartridges.
                3. Setrac
                  Setrac April 7 2018 23: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: andj61
                  But when 1700-20, or even 30 thousand, attack 50 people, neither single-shot shotguns nor a few guns will help

                  A more developed state also has a larger army, because it produces and stores food, unlike nomads. Zulu could not physically assemble such an army in one place, because they would have starved to death in a short period of time.
                  1. Usher
                    Usher 27 May 2018 10: 14
                    0
                    What kind of couch reasoning? "Could not" "from hunger" :) Go to the wife in the kitchen, teach how to cook borsch, theorist)
        2. Captain Pushkin
          Captain Pushkin April 9 2018 10: 19
          0
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: Artek
          No Zulus / Zulus could harm the white inhabitants of Africa who own firearms.

          You tell Lieutenant Colonel Pullein about the power of firearms. Apparently, the Zulus, who defeated his detachment of 1700 people with two guns (losses - 1329 killed), did not know that they couldn't harm white african people who own firearms. smile

          Recently watched a film on this topic. Impressed. It’s a pity I didn’t remember the name (I didn’t look from the very beginning). If in the film this slaughter was shown close to reality, then the war with the British and the Zulus is troublesome and bloody. Without need, it’s better not to start.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 31 March 2018 00: 21
        +9
        All that you wrote is exclusively your fantasies caused by uneducation. The author of the article set out the story approximately true.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 7 2018 23: 16
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          The author of the article set out the story approximately true.

          Not everything that is written in books is true.
      3. Alex1117
        Alex1117 17 May 2018 07: 32
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        Are you sure that the Zulus, like cattle, were taken by the British to America, to slavery? Actually, slavery in England was abolished in 1772. And in 1807, a decree was issued in England prohibiting all English subjects from engaging in the slave trade. And the British first met the Zulus much later.
      4. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 29 May 2018 18: 44
        0
        "The Angles who exterminated the Scots, Irish, American Indians, Chinese, Indians, who actually perpetrated the phenomenon of slavery"
        Slavery, in fact, was perpetrated thousands of years before the aforementioned Angles.
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 June 2018 15: 34
        0
        All conquests were made by different countries, different groups, etc. but at the very end, the Anglo-Saxons intervened on everything ready and defeated with little blood they won. The Boers had the same story: they mastered most of South Africa, the region began to bring wealth and the “Britons” intervened, all the more so since there are all conditions for deploying the Navy for the supply of troops and supplies. A few Boers were driven into the veld (calcareous mountains), depriving them of farming, and the rest went according to the scenario of the conquest of America.
  2. bionik
    bionik 30 March 2018 06: 04
    +8
    The names of Yevgeny Maximov, who will become the “fencing general” in the Boer army, will remain in history.
    Colonel E. Ya. Maximov (right), along with the "grandfather" of the South African special forces, General P. Kolbe.
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 30 March 2018 06: 20
    +12
    It is a pity, of course, the Boers: a very courageous and hardworking people.
    But demography and tolerance won ....
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 March 2018 00: 32
      +11
      Do not idealize Boers (Afrikaans). I lived and worked in Johannesburg for over a year. He was at work in Pretoria and in Durban. I had to deal with all skin colors and nations.
      Boers are not a gift in communication, no matter how white a patriot of a white race you are. Will not help. Most of them are harsh "condo" racists. Recognize only their own. Not a drill - a stranger, a second grade. Despite the fact that I talked to people with education, not village. Even the Scots are internationalists by comparison laughing
      1. karish
        karish 31 March 2018 00: 43
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Do not idealize Boers (Afrikaans). I lived and worked in Johannesburg for over a year. He was at work in Pretoria and in Durban. I had to deal with all skin colors and nations.
        Boers are not a gift in communication, no matter how white a patriot of a white race you are. Will not help. Most of them are harsh "condo" racists. Recognize only their own. Not a drill - a stranger, a second grade. Despite the fact that I talked to people with education, not village. Even the Scots are internationalists by comparison laughing

        I talked the same with a couple - three families from South Africa - in general, everything is not simple.
        The impression was that they were mothballed in the years 40-50s.
        This is a problem, people are blinded and unable to adapt to a change in reality - they are dying out.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 31 March 2018 04: 27
          +2
          An interesting comment. "" Mothballed in the 40-50 x. "" And what happened then, and even in South Africa. ??? Old magazines with the story of Barnard, who had a heart transplant, were published before the 80s .... So he said that they, Boers, live in the past ..... and apart .......
          I wonder what’s wrong with the scientific base that allowed me to do a heart transplant in South Africa then? We must somehow read about the doctor ....
          1. karish
            karish 31 March 2018 07: 44
            +2
            Quote: Reptiloid
            Interesting comment. "" Preserved in 40-50 x

            not from the point of view of technology - mentally mothballed, maybe not 40s, but definitely 60s
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 31 March 2018 10: 10
            +2
            Cape Town is a different world. There are also racial battles, but others: blacks with colored ones. The whites there are more decent than in the east. In Cape Town, I was only a tourist - a very beautiful nature.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 31 March 2018 10: 21
              +7
              Quote: voyaka uh
              Cape Town is a different world. There are also racial battles, but others: blacks with colored ones. Whites are more decent there than in the east

              South Africa today is the quintessence of racism. Black ....
              There was a dream to get there when white people were in power. Now - God forbid. As, however, and in the United States on board the ship there is no desire - a continuous bacchanalia of immigration authorities ....
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 31 March 2018 06: 07
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Most of them are harsh "condo" racists. Recognize only their own. Not a drill - a stranger, a second grade.

        This is their way to survive and not dissolve in the surrounding black sea.
        Do they break the laws? No. So racists, in the full sense of the word, they cannot be called, IMHO.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 31 March 2018 10: 06
          +2
          You do not understand: they do not digest ALL strangers. And white people of other nationalities as well. In Boer towns, even Germans and Scots do not “survive” (they try to supplant them), not to mention the British or the Italians and Irish there.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 31 March 2018 12: 14
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            You do not understand: they do not digest ALL strangers. And white people of other nationalities as well. In Boer towns, even Germans and Scots do not “survive” (they try to supplant them), not to mention the British or the Italians and Irish there.

            I perfectly understood you and I think that they are SO trying to maintain their identity.
            Old believers, for example, are also not allowed into their villages; in the USA there are towns in the outback where they do not like strangers.
            If this does not contradict the laws, let them ....
      3. Artek
        Artek 31 March 2018 07: 20
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Boers are not a gift in communication, no matter how white a patriot of a white race you are. Will not help. Most of them are harsh "condo" racists. Recognize only their own. Not a drill - a stranger, a second grade. Despite the fact that I talked to people with education, not village. Even the Scots are internationalists by comparison


        not quite like that, the Boers supported the idea of ​​racial purity, therefore the attitude towards whites is normal, towards non-whites it is normal to be detached. It’s easy for a white person to get dirty, but not for black.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 31 March 2018 10: 01
          +8
          Stop being dishonored by your ignorance. If you snoop around such a "white representative of the white race" in any Boer town, an internal jeep patrol will quickly approach you and ask you to get out. And if you start to object, they will hold hands, put them in a jeep and kick them out of the outskirts. It’s useless to contact the police.
          1. Artek
            Artek 31 March 2018 10: 38
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Stop being dishonored by your ignorance. If you snoop around such a "white representative of the white race" in any Boer town, an internal jeep patrol will quickly approach you and ask you to get out. And if you start to object, they will hold hands, put them in a jeep and kick them out of the outskirts. It’s useless to contact the police.


            this is doubtful, because for starters you need to distinguish white from white, usually the Boers — the Nordic race do not differ much from the white population of Russia, Poland, Scandinavia. There are other “whites” who will ask for these.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 31 March 2018 11: 07
              +6
              They calculate the “alien” instantly, even before you say the first word. The most useful words in South Africa to survive: "no gun!" (no weapons) and at the same time both hands should be placed on the sides, fingers with palms forward in the direction of the mouth.
              And this is not against blacks (it’s better to run away from them right away without looking back), but against whites who will send you — the white blond hero — a shotgun or a short revolver in your belly.
      4. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 9 2018 10: 22
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Boers are not a gift in communication, no matter how white a patriot of a white race you are. Will not help. Most of them are harsh "condo" racists. Recognize only their own. Not a drill - a stranger, a second grade.

        With a different mentality, they would have long since disappeared from the face of the Earth.
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 5 June 2018 15: 36
        0
        I don’t argue Natsik even those, but it was easier to work with them than with the "shaving"
  4. Amurets
    Amurets 30 March 2018 06: 52
    +7
    Many of our volunteers were fully-fledged people, reasonable and at the same time possessing the Russian mentality with its constant search for justice. After all, by that time the news about the practice of using concentration camps and those monstrous methods of waging the British war against the Boers had reached the Russian Empire.

    Thanks, thanks. He knew something, heard something, but I see such a detailed analysis for the first time. and without politicization, and since it was really in those days.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 March 2018 09: 57
      +1
      Good afternoon, Nikolai, I was waiting for everything ---- will anyone think like me ..... And on the basis of an article and various TV news, I get into my head analogies with the life of the former Soviet republics .... Although they are not completely against there were Russians.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 30 March 2018 11: 20
        +2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        And on the basis of an article and various TV news, I have an analogy with the life of the former republics of the USSR ...

        Hello Dima. Such thoughts do not enter my head. I recall what I read about concentration camps about Russian volunteers, but all these were either fragments of memories, or fiction and adventure literature. In this article, the author tried to highlight both the history and problems of southern Africa. The topic is complicated, let's wish him good luck.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 30 March 2018 11: 45
          +4
          Yes, the topic is complex and rare. What did I read about South Africa? Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a book.
          Barnard’s book in the old socialist journal, here is a short article, here is still
          an article by V. Shpakovsky .-- for a long time. And about armored trains in South Africa. This is after your stories. Regards.
          To the author ---- best wishes!
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin April 9 2018 10: 24
            0
            Quote: Reptiloid
            What have I read about South Africa?

            Read the children's book "Captain Tear Off the Head" to the heap
  5. Humpty
    Humpty 30 March 2018 06: 57
    +11
    Transval, Transval, my country,
    You are all on fire!
    Under a tree
    Thoughtfully the drill sat.

    What are you talking about, old man
    What are you thoughtful?
    I'm homesick
    And sorry for the native land.

    From a Russian folk song.

    Why would the Russian authorities not offer the Boers to move to Russia, whoever wants to! This is a developed, hardworking people with a healthy sense of humor. More than once I worked with them, I don’t remember any negative about them.
    1. Gopnik
      Gopnik 30 March 2018 07: 23
      +4
      Why is Buram? They are more likely to move to the EU or the USA. What is actually happening
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 30 March 2018 08: 04
        +6
        Quote: Gopnik
        Why is Buram? They are more likely to move to the EU or the USA. What is actually happening

        This is their purely personal matter, but to offer is not a sin. There, by the way, there are Russians too.
    2. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 2 July 2018 16: 21
      0
      Quote: Humpty
      Why would the Russian authorities not offer the Boers to move to Russia, whoever wants to! This is a developed, hardworking people with a healthy sense of humor. More than once I worked with them, I don’t remember any negative about them.

      Well, really, what is it for the Boers? Moreover, there was already a lot of experience - the Russian authorities organized a campaign several years ago to attract white emigre Old Believers to the Far East from Latin America (such as the time of the Communists, we have free Christianity, democracy, and the like). So what ? Now the miserables who sold the plantations in South America are crying bitterly over what they lost, confronted with Russian formalism and bureaucracy. I don’t know the situation at the moment, but a few years ago these immigrants were very ill (and they are the most Russian by origin, and you say we invite the Boers, yeah ...).
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 30 March 2018 07: 43
    +6
    Very, very ... Thank you, we look forward to continuing ...
  7. kalibr
    kalibr 30 March 2018 07: 45
    +6
    Very good stuff! The Black Threat of South Africa is not a myth. The blacks live there on the principle that who is not ours, not black, is ... an enemy. And with enemies - as with enemies. First with your ... But what will happen then?
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 30 March 2018 09: 44
      +1
      at the heart of everything is the value of human life.
      it is low - there are many organs for sale and transplantation.
      AND EVERYTHING.
      DO NOT BE AFRAID OF DEATH AND SLAUGHTER
      . SORRY THEM?
      kopeks and so does not fall from good or bad industry. - It should take up to 50 years of free life (from gaining independence - in economic terms - it does not exist) everyone deflates.
      Western TNCs are apparently preparing to leave in 10-30 years AND THE PROBABILITY OF CHINA WILL PRESS ON AMERICA AND EURO TNCs. -creation of chaos -the best way to delay your loss.

      neither to themselves, nor to people.
      the new owner (China) will give water to drink ?.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 March 2018 00: 47
      +6
      "The blacks live there on the principle that who is not ours, not black, is ... the enemy." ////

      The blacks there cut each other cruelly, ruthlessly. I saw there (from a safe distance) a black dormitory with black immigrants from Mozambique burning. It was set on fire by local black Bantu (Khos, Sutu). And they did not allow to be saved. Until the police (Zulu and the whites) drove away the thugs with water jets. All the details were told to me later by colleagues.
      And if you think that whites are there, you are mistaken even more. All the other whites cannot stand the Boers: the British, Italians, Portuguese, Jews, and Greeks. Hindus, mulattos (colored "colored") And all of the above do not contact each other. Brittle country
      with a heavenly climate. sad
      1. karish
        karish 31 March 2018 00: 55
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        with a heavenly climate.

        I have never been to Pretoria, but according to local reviews, there is no city with the best climate on earth.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 31 March 2018 10: 39
          +3
          The entire area - and Johannesburg (Jobburg) and Pretoria - a plain on a hill - a kilometer above the sea. In winter +16, in summer +25. Once a day - a short stormy rain, as if by the hour, always in the afternoon. Super climate. good But people ... there was no paradise in general ... sad
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 31 March 2018 15: 54
        +6
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The blacks there cut each other cruelly, ruthlessly.


        put in my five francs.
        the Negroid race is generally much more aggressive than the Caucasians, who in turn are more aggressive than the Mongoloids.
        in Africa aggression is not always the same. been to senegal and mali a little. You can run into adventure but overall it's normal. I walked alone through the villages on the banks of a river, not far from Tamba. nothing, sat around the fire with the locals, went fishing. people are like people. rustic and lazy, yes. I gave them my machete before leaving. were satisfied with each other. the main thing is not to shine with money.
        malaria really earned, went on four.
      3. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 9 2018 10: 29
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        All the other whites cannot stand the Boers: the British, Italians, Portuguese, Jews, and Greeks. Hindus, mulattos (colored "colored") And all of the above do not contact each other

        Well, everything is like in Europe. In Europe, everyone hates: Germans, British, French, Italians, Poles, Russians, etc. etc. Those. all "not their own." The most tolerant are Russians, as it does not seem strange to the rest of Europeans.
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok April 1 2018 00: 05
      0
      Quote: kalibr
      Very good stuff! The Black Threat of South Africa is not a myth. The blacks live there on the principle that who is not ours, not black, is ... an enemy. And with enemies - as with enemies. First with your ... But what will happen then?

      And then the Chinese will come. They will be bought by their leaders, and managing through them, they will pump out resources.
      1. Alf
        Alf April 1 2018 22: 35
        0
        Quote: Normal ok
        And then the Chinese will come. They will be bought by their leaders, and managing through them, they will pump out resources.

        Already come.
    4. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 2 July 2018 16: 26
      0
      Quote: kalibr
      Very good stuff! The Black Threat of South Africa is not a myth. The blacks live there on the principle that who is not ours, not black, is ... an enemy. And with enemies - as with enemies. First with your ... But what will happen then?

      Yes, you’re right, in recent decades the situation in Black Africa is simply awful, and sporadic attempts to improve the socio-economic situation in individual countries are ruined ... Inter-tribal hatred of black tribes is a terrible thing, what kind of white racism is there, it has ended all over the years 30 back ... On the contrary, where there are still remnants of colonialism, at least in terms of organization, this allows the economies of those countries to stay afloat. But still (from personal experience I will say) blacks envy black envy white (not without reason in the assortment of most countries with a black population about 60% of all cosmetics sold are creams for skin whitening, soap with images of white babies is more likely to be bought up than with images black babies (in some African states there are even laws that prohibit depicting people from non-titular ethnic groups on products sold, etc.).
  8. Operator
    Operator 30 March 2018 08: 02
    +5
    The Boers / English made a mistake - in the colonized territories of South Africa in the 19 century they used the labor of migrant workers (Bantu emigrants), for which they paid: when the number of migrant workers in the 20 century increased, they "asked" the Boers / English for a way out.
  9. Fox
    Fox 30 March 2018 08: 18
    +3
    South Africa has been rude, and the USA and the USSR ... why?
    1. Vard
      Vard 30 March 2018 08: 28
      +3
      Or maybe everything is simple ... Too many blacks in power ...
      1. Alber
        Alber 30 March 2018 18: 44
        +2
        Quote: Vard
        Or maybe everything is simple ... Too many blacks in power ...

        Hmm ... like ours too. Too many people ...
    2. mishastich
      mishastich 30 March 2018 08: 48
      +4
      Everything is complicated and very simple here.
      1) In the United States, the processes of de-segregation in society began, not de jure, but de facto. (Late 80s) Hence the help of oppressed blacks in Africa, the creation of Liberia and much more.
      2) USSR - helped and taught a huge number of African regimes to obtain ports and to promote socialist ideas.
      3) South Africa - the most developed country on the continent at that time. Science, industry, the armed forces, all this could become a new pole of power on the continent (a very fresh example at that time was Iran).
      4) South Africa sits on a huge amount of resources - especially diamonds.

      By the sum of the factors, it becomes why both the USSR (arms support of Angola and Namibia), and the United States (arms embargo and support for the ANC), and Britain (trade sanctions), and China (arms support to Zimbabwe) made one pipe.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 9 2018 10: 37
        +3
        Quote: mishastich

        4
        mishastich March 30, 2018 08:48 ↑
        Everything is complicated and very simple here.
        1) In the USA, the processes of de-segregation in society began, not de jure, but de facto. (Late 80s) Hence the help of the oppressed blacks in Africa,

        It's still easier. The colonial system divided the colony countries into metropolitan countries. By the time the US got back on its feet, everything was already divided.
        The United States acted simply - consistently dismantled this system with the active participation of the USSR. And they divided the liberated countries among themselves under their protectorate .. Most of it went to the United States.
        Further, the United States dismantled the USSR and seized not only satellites, but also fragments of the USSR.
        What are we expecting? Or the dismantling of Russia and China. Or the dismantling of the United States.
        No middle ground.
        1. mishastich
          mishastich April 9 2018 10: 48
          0
          Dismantling Russia and China is costly, expensive and without guaranteed results.
          There are the recently dismantled Middle East (Iran), Africa (Nigeria, South Africa, Angola), Central Asia (Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan), Southeast Asia (Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand), Europe finally (Western and Central).
          The capitalist will not take risks.
  10. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 30 March 2018 08: 44
    +1
    I think that there the TNCs pushed the provocative decision of the parliament, in the hands of which the key sectors of the South African economy (mining of uranium, gold, diamonds). The government has almost nothing from the revenues of these companies, of course, it is trying to raise the country (it even invites school teachers from all over Africa to work under a contract), but not everything comes out quickly, and with such direct opposition. 10 tribes with completely different languages ​​live on the territory of the country (just like in the USSR with its republics). And the method of destroying the country is the same - to declare that one people feeds the rest of the parasites. So far, the Boers have been assigned to the role of parasites.
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 2 July 2018 16: 33
      0
      Quote: Aviator_
      I think that there the TNCs pushed the provocative decision of the parliament, in the hands of which the key sectors of the South African economy (mining of uranium, gold, diamonds). The government has almost nothing from the revenues of these companies, of course, it is trying to raise the country (it even invites school teachers from all over Africa to work under a contract), but not everything comes out quickly, and with such direct opposition.

      I will disappoint you a little. Enterprises in the hands of TNCs such as Debirs there are the basis of the South African economy and pay huge sums for the right to develop natural resources. Native black governments have the main misfortune - THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY INDIVIDUAL TO THE COMMON STATE INTERESTS, AND CARE ONLY FOR THEIR OWN, PERSONAL PERSONAL INTERESTS, seldom - about the interests of their clan - this is a terrible plunder of the state budget and complete miracles ...
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 2 July 2018 19: 27
        0
        Of course, it may be so, but for the first time I meet such TNCs that care more about the country whose wealth they are developing than about their own income.
        1. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 2 July 2018 23: 19
          0
          Quote: Aviator_
          Of course, it may be so, but for the first time I meet such TNCs that care more about the country whose wealth they are developing than about their own income.

          So no one says that TNCs care about anything other than profit, but they are the basis of the budget in South Africa, and the government (like everywhere in Africa) is guided exclusively by clan narrow greedy interests, and not at all by the state ... Regrettably , but only where there were and are whites in Africa, one can more or less live there, where nothing is left - just embodied hell on earth ... (I know what I’m talking about in reality). Negroes themselves (from educated ones!) In private conversations almost cry about the lost time of the “evil colonialists” ... In Niger Afrik it’s typical “proletarian” thinking - if a neighbor began to live a little better, take a machete or a hoe and go to burn his house, for nefig! Therefore, governments are tribal mafia clans, and the army and the police protect them purely and ensure the looting of national resources by foreign companies ... (but if these transnational corporations do not, especially ours, then there will be no local work at all .. .)
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 2 July 2018 23: 38
            +1
            I talked with both white and black in the CSIR research center (there, by the way, the main aerodynamicist is an Indian), there are no disagreements and racism, they all work hard and work well. At the University of Pretoria, teachers are from anywhere, their staff is not enough, they are being intensively made. And there are still many illiterates. In general, if a person does not work, he turns into a monkey. This also applies to whites.
  11. Nix1986
    Nix1986 30 March 2018 09: 10
    +10
    It is a sad story with South Africa, it is quite possible that the next 20-30 years are the last time when you can go there as a tourist without risk not returning back (although he is still there, in the same Johannesburg) and meeting a local white man. As I already said here, I’m not a racist, but wherever blacks or Indians begin to rule the ball, chaos and devastation are everywhere. Speaking of Indians, I worked with a native of Bangladesh for a long time, says many compatriots already regret that the British left, at least there was order with them.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 30 March 2018 18: 23
      +2
      Quote: Nix1986
      Reply

      That's the number. It reminded me of the book “Contributed by the Wind” when the former slaves twisted so that the former gentlemen would take care of them. Remember Scarlett had a black maid “mommy”? She was an outsider of the same order.
  12. antivirus
    antivirus 30 March 2018 09: 38
    +2
    and our volunteers after 10 years in the same ranks with the Angles fought against the Germans.
    is it a "belief in supreme justice"?
  13. BAI
    BAI 30 March 2018 10: 14
    +1
    Well, Africa is late in development. In Europe, at one time, almost the same thing happened.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 March 2018 13: 08
      +6
      Quote: BAI
      Well, Africa is late in development. In Europe, at one time, almost the same thing happened.

      And what happened in Europe and Asia? For example, in the VIII century BC? The Mongoloid massagets plowed west and drove the Scythians. The Scythians, in turn, drove the Slavs to the west (with whom they had been friends, traded and mixed before). The Slavs from the east, and at the same time, the Scandinavians from the north drove the Celts to the west and south (since then, in the territory of present-day Poland and Germany, the Celtic population has disappeared). The Celts, having knocked out the ligurs from France, conquered the north of Iberia (Tartessa), and then went to the British Isles to cut picts! Then stability was established for several centuries ... And who were the LIGURS --- it is still unknown! ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 31 March 2018 14: 02
        +3
        Yes, there is such a theory: "dominoes of migrations of peoples." Each, fleeing the attacker, kicks the next out of their homes. Moreover, the trigger could be a simple drought, driving away the first people. And not aggressiveness.
        I saw blacks from the Bushmen in South Africa. There are few of them left. Outwardly different from Bantu.
        Small stature, large heads. Very sensible. I made friends with one — an accountant — since I pulled him out of the police (gave him a security deposit). They were almost destroyed by a Bantu, and the diseases brought by the whites finished off. Also the victim of "dominoes" - the Bantu track to the south of the continent.
  14. Ponchik78
    Ponchik78 30 March 2018 10: 24
    +8
    There is no need to go far for an example of what will happen with South Africa. It is located a little north. Rhodesia (Zimbabwe). True, there, with a change of power, it seems like they turned on the brains. A program has been initiated for the return of white landowners from whom everything was once taken away (what they were going to do in South Africa). This is how it looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkdglXB7OvM
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 30 March 2018 18: 05
      +5
      It remains to wait for the "turn on the brain" in South Africa? I think they’ll turn on “brains” when they’ll plunder everything, at least * root and will not blame anyone, but now there is: “White is to blame that White has this ours”
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri 30 March 2018 19: 18
        +5
        Quote: Monarchist
        It remains to wait for the "turn on the brain" in South Africa?

        It remains only to determine what we mean by the term "brains" ... For in the Upper Paleolithic of Homo sapiens and other non-Adertals brains were definitely present, but the result of their "inclusion" would hardly have seemed to us, their descendants acceptable.
        Quote: Monarchist
        I think they’ll turn on “brains” when they’ll plunder everything, at least * root and will not blame anyone, but now there is: “White is to blame that White has this ours”

        IMHO: when they cut all the whites "and will not blame anyone" they will begin, or rather continue, with rapture to cut each other. Because their (primitive communal) being determines their own (primitive communal) consciousness.
        P.S. Important disclaimer: If, only, some external forces do not prevent them from indulging in this sweet, ancient, truly folk tradition. laughing
        1. Alf
          Alf 30 March 2018 22: 00
          +1
          Quote: HanTengri
          P.S. Important disclaimer: If, only, some external forces do not prevent them from indulging in this sweet, ancient, truly folk tradition.

          That is, if white does not come and blacks are not cut. But this time White will not repeat his mistake, they will cut it out completely.
          1. Hantengri
            Hantengri 30 March 2018 23: 12
            +3
            Quote: Alf
            That is, if white does not come and blacks are not cut. But this time White will not repeat his mistake, they will cut it out completely.

            Wai! Why, surely, white? The "right", "civilized" blacks can come, who, with the right, "civilized" help, will cut out all the "wrong", "uncivilized" blacks and ... they will give the diamond mines and other, natural nishtyaks, FOR FREE, into the hands of the right , white friends. lol
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 31 March 2018 04: 09
              +2
              Well, what are you, Khan .... Why give? They will once again exchange them for glass beads or promises of protection! Something like this.
          2. Normal ok
            Normal ok April 1 2018 00: 11
            +1
            Quote: Alf
            That is, if white does not come and blacks are not cut. But this time White will not repeat his mistake, they will cut it out completely.

            White is no longer capable of this.
            1. Alf
              Alf April 1 2018 22: 36
              0
              Quote: Normal ok
              White is no longer capable of this.

              I don’t know, depending on which whites. Now, if the Aryan brothers are poisoned, then most likely it will succeed.
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 9 2018 10: 46
        0
        Quote: Monarchist
        It remains to wait for the "turn on the brain" in South Africa? I think they’ll turn on “brains” when they’ll plunder everything, at least * root and will not blame anyone, but now there is: “White is to blame that White has this ours”

        Many who have the brains to turn on time. In the United States, demography is steadily leading whites to a minority. When the mass of black and color reaches a critical point, white in the United States will envy the Boers.
        By the way, the same story is in Sweden, Britain, France, the Netherlands ....
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 March 2018 14: 04
      +3
      I'm afraid this is already - dead poultice. Who will move to where: devastation, total Aids.
  15. Vladivostok1969
    Vladivostok1969 30 March 2018 10: 47
    +5
    One of his favorite childhood books was Louis Bussenard's Captain Tear Off Head. Boer War with England
    1. Alf
      Alf 30 March 2018 22: 01
      +3
      Quote: Vladivostok1969
      One of his favorite childhood books was Louis Bussenard's Captain Tear Off Head. Boer War with England

      The book is not bad, but that's how the Boers shot 2,5-3 thousand from the Mausers in their movement and purpose, and the first time they got an artistic whistle.
      1. albert
        albert 30 March 2018 22: 20
        +1
        There is a version that Bussenar was fulfilling the order of German gunsmiths to advertise his weapons lol
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 31 March 2018 00: 39
          +1
          Quote: albert
          There is a version that Bussenar was fulfilling the order of German gunsmiths to advertise his weapons

          Why not? Mauser touted as a carbine pistol
          Mauser pistol since the Boer War, has been used in various wars and many local military conflicts. Winston Churchill, later Prime Minister of Great Britain, wrote in his memoirs that it was Mauser K-96 who saved him during the battle with the Sudanese dervises at the Battle of Omdurman on September 2, 1898
          http://historypistols.ru/blog/pistolety-pod-unita
          rnyj-patron-avtomaticheskie / istoriya-poyavleniya-
          pistoleta-mauzer-k-96-mauser-c96 /
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 31 March 2018 11: 15
            +5
            Winston Churchill had his right hand injured in one of the many wars, and he - the cavalryman - could not work as a saber. Therefore, he shot from a horse with a pistol from a "zero" distance. And thus he was in the general cavalry formation a useful fighter. Incidentally, he fought with the Boers and was captured by them. And managed to escape.
          2. Alf
            Alf 31 March 2018 19: 04
            +2
            Quote: Amurets
            Why not? Mauser touted as a carbine pistol

            No, in the novel it is the Mauser rifle.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 31 March 2018 14: 06
        +4

        "but that's how the Boers shot 2,5-3 thousand from the Mausers" //// ^

        I guess at 2,5 feet - 800 m
        1. Alf
          Alf 31 March 2018 19: 07
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "but that's how the Boers shot 2,5-3 thousand from the Mausers" //// ^

          I guess at 2,5 feet - 800 m

          Meters, my friend, meters. Enough to read the novel.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 31 March 2018 21: 15
            +6
            I read this novel for a long time, in childhood. Meters instead of feet, as I suspect, is a translator's mistake. Which went for a walk around the publications a long time ago. But I do not insist on my hypothesis.
      3. andj61
        andj61 31 March 2018 23: 28
        +3
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        One of his favorite childhood books was Louis Bussenard's Captain Tear Off Head. Boer War with England

        The book is not bad, but that's how the Boers shot 2,5-3 thousand from the Mausers in their movement and purpose, and the first time they got an artistic whistle.

        He wrote that the bullet from Mauser flew almost 3000, and the Boers fell confidently at 1500. And this is without any optics. And only about 10 years after reading the book, I was convinced that it’s not easy to get oh at half the distance and with optics! hi
        1. Alf
          Alf April 1 2018 22: 32
          +2
          Quote: andj61
          And only about 10 years after reading the book, I was convinced that it’s not easy to get oh at half the distance and with optics!

          And if you consider that in the book of Daredevil, the comrades shot at this range IN THEIR MOTION AND GOALS and fell from the first shot ... I usually say that science fiction should be believable, and here it’s not even a fantasy, but an honest fairy tale.
      4. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 9 2018 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        One of his favorite childhood books was Louis Bussenard's Captain Tear Off Head. Boer War with England

        The book is not bad, but that's how the Boers shot 2,5-3 thousand from the Mausers in their movement and purpose, and the first time they got an artistic whistle.

        At the beginning of the 20th century, it was believed that a good shooter could hit the target from a distance of up to 1000 meters. Now, even from SVD (with a telescopic sight), few people will take up hitting a target at such a distance.
        It is clear that on a moving target, at a distance of over 400m, it makes sense to shoot only with a machine gun. And that is not always the case.
      5. 97110
        97110 25 May 2018 15: 51
        0
        Quote: Alf
        art whistle.

        Well, DeBussenar did not like the British. And he loved the Germans for the invention of Mauser.
  16. iva12936
    iva12936 30 March 2018 12: 36
    +2
    Thanks, very interesting.
  17. 501Legion
    501Legion 30 March 2018 12: 42
    +2
    interesting excursion into history
  18. dzvero
    dzvero 30 March 2018 14: 19
    +2
    Article - offset, author - respect smile It is intelligible and accessible about the complicated history of the region. I look forward to continuing.
  19. Tochilka
    Tochilka 30 March 2018 17: 06
    +2
    Pikul "Honor I have" the main character also fought for the Boers.
    At the heart of everything is the economy. It is unlikely that the military leader Chake was told about her. From the article, his message is that who is not with us, I am not to blame.
    That would be about the then economy to find out. About the resources of those lands. Diamond mines for example ... Everything will be even more interesting.
  20. Monarchist
    Monarchist 30 March 2018 17: 44
    +3
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Artek
    No Zulus / Zulus could harm the white inhabitants of Africa who own firearms.

    You tell Lieutenant Colonel Pullein about the power of firearms. Apparently, the Zulus, who defeated his detachment of 1700 people with two guns (losses - 1329 killed), did not know that they couldn't harm white african people who own firearms. smile

    This was possible when the natives had no idea about firearms, and if there were ten blacks on one white
    1. Artek
      Artek 30 March 2018 18: 34
      +1
      Quote: Monarchist
      Quote: Alexey RA
      Quote: Artek
      No Zulus / Zulus could harm the white inhabitants of Africa who own firearms.

      You tell Lieutenant Colonel Pullein about the power of firearms. Apparently, the Zulus, who defeated his detachment of 1700 people with two guns (losses - 1329 killed), did not know that they couldn't harm white african people who own firearms. smile

      This was possible when the natives had no idea about firearms, and if there were ten blacks on one white

      it can never be, because in order to assemble an army it is necessary to think how to train it and at the same time to feed it with something. 10 thousand people gathered in one place must eat something, but for this it is necessary to have at least such the concept of rear logistics, that is, food supply, carts, and blacks didn’t even know what agriculture was to grow bread for themselves. Therefore, do not believe English myths, it’s time to turn on your brains.
      1. Tochilka
        Tochilka 30 March 2018 19: 12
        +3
        I believe that the inhabitants of those lands knew quite well how to get food. it is not necessary to plant bread. Well it can be taken from those who are not fighting
        1. Artek
          Artek 30 March 2018 19: 40
          +1
          Quote: Tochilka
          I believe that the inhabitants of those lands knew quite well how to get food. it is not necessary to plant bread. Well it can be taken from those who are not fighting


          your words are a primitive representation of a poorly educated civilian who never served in the army. Negroes live by hunting wild animals or, at best, contain some kind of livestock. So, then, then, that now all these people have always led a half-starved lifestyle and did not even have the opportunity to create reserves for a hard day, because they did not know how to do it. The only thing they could afford for a few days was to stock up dried meat, if you have salt supplies, but salt is not everywhere. All this food and weapons need to be carried with you, therefore such an army is not capable of carrying out complex long-term combat missions. The feed will end and go hunting in different directions, who returned, who did not return.
          The only thing you can believe is that the scale of the clash with the Angles could be orders of magnitude smaller, that is, the losses of the British could not be thousands, but a few people from an attack from the bushes.
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 30 March 2018 20: 55
            +1
            The only thing that they could afford to stock up on dried meat for a few days was if there was a supply of salt, and salt is not everywhere. All this food and weapons need to be carried with you, so such an army is not able to carry out complex long-term combat missions. in different directions to hunt, who returned, who did not return.

            You write correctly. Lack of logistical support is a big minus for the army. Such an army can hardly conduct long-term military operations. Therefore their salvation is a blitzkrieg. If the blitzkrieg failed, defeat is not inevitable. Which we are observing. But this does not say that such armies were not in history, and they did not inflict heavy losses on rivals.
            Quantification of losses is not possible without the study of all sources.
            1. Artek
              Artek 30 March 2018 22: 56
              0
              Quote: glory1974
              The only thing that they could afford to stock up on dried meat for a few days was if there was a supply of salt, and salt is not everywhere. All this food and weapons need to be carried with you, so such an army is not able to carry out complex long-term combat missions. in different directions to hunt, who returned, who did not return.

              You write correctly. Lack of logistical support is a big minus for the army. Such an army can hardly conduct long-term military operations. Therefore their salvation is a blitzkrieg. If the blitzkrieg failed, defeat is not inevitable. Which we are observing. But this does not say that such armies were not in history, and they did not inflict heavy losses on rivals.
              Quantification of losses is not possible without the study of all sources.


              here is the problem, the problem GATHER TOGETHER, the article writes that the 1700 Anglitsky soldiers were defeated by superior Zulu forces, so this story itself is hypothetical. Collect 10 thousand in a fist. people it is necessary to have an organization i.e. To begin with, a team of like-minded people from whom the officer corps will be created, it is necessary to have IDEOLOGICAL support, and for this it is necessary to have developed oral speech, and the speech of the African peoples is not cultural enough and civilized in order to have sufficient word power. And besides, the most important thing is again the problem of feeding the soldiers. Primordial-community tribes could have simply armed gangs for raids on other tribes, but the British are not tribes, so this story that we are told here is nonsense.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac April 7 2018 23: 26
              +1
              Quote: glory1974
              Lack of logistical support is a big minus for the army. Such an army can hardly conduct long-term military operations.

              Such an army cannot exist in principle.
              Quote: glory1974
              If the blitzkrieg failed, defeat is not inevitable.

              Yes, they didn’t even know such a word - a blitzkrieg.
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 April 7 2018 23: 48
                0
                Such an army cannot exist in principle.

                The army in the modern concept cannot. But for example, the militants in Chechnya quite existed. They initially had no support units. When we switched to guerrilla action, each gang leader decided his own security issues.
                Blitzkrieg did not know the words, but the essence was correctly grasped.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac April 8 2018 00: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: glory1974
                  The army in the modern concept cannot. But for example, the militants in Chechnya quite existed.

                  The militants in Chechnya were supplied with money from London and Fashington and with this money acquired everything they needed in the existing supply system. In addition, Chechen militants received supplies from Georgia.
                  1. Glory1974
                    Glory1974 April 8 2018 09: 17
                    0
                    and with this money they acquired everything necessary in the existing supply system.

                    That's right. Acquired. But don’t you think that they were carrying dry rations from Georgia? Weapons and ammunition were coming. And they tried to buy the property of logistics and technical support on the spot with money. During operations, there was no centralized logistical support. In the orders of the leaders it was indicated what to have, in what quantity, with this, all the support ended.
                    for example, from captured documents of militants: "carry weapons, 700-800 cartridges, food per day for 2 sneakers and a half liter of water." Fight with such rear support. More than 3-4 days is not enough for you. Our troops knew this very well, and often successfully used it.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac April 8 2018 11: 42
                      +1
                      Quote: glory1974
                      But don’t you think that they were carrying dry rations from Georgia?

                      They were not in the desert, food can be perfectly bought in Chechnya itself.
                      1. Glory1974
                        Glory1974 April 9 2018 10: 24
                        0
                        food can be perfectly bought in Chechnya itself.

                        what are we talking about. The troops leave for the operation, they are centrally supplied with everything necessary. But for the militants, everyone is spinning as best he can, bought - yes, not bought - no. No one will give you anything, will not provide anything.
          2. badens1111
            badens1111 30 March 2018 20: 56
            +5
            Quote: Artek
            your words are a primitive representation of a poorly educated civil

            You clearly outlined yourself
            The zulu ruler, unlike you, knew how to feed his army on a campaign.
            Shaka was killed in 1828 by his brother, Dingan, who distributed the Zulu possessions from Umzivyubyu to Delogoa Bay. Under him, the Zulus first came into collision with the whites, namely the fighters, who in 1837 appeared in the east valleys. the slopes of the Dragon Mountains, initially suffered defeat from the West, but in 1840 they deposed Dingan, who was replaced by his brother Pandoy, who became vassal dependent on the republic they founded.
            In 1856, civil strife erupted among the Zulus due to a dispute between the sons of Panda for the succession to the throne, which ended with the triumph of Kechevayo, or Setevayo, who, after the death of Panda (1872), became king Z. The army he organized was 40000 people. aroused fears of the British, who demanded her dissolution and, having been refused, moved in 1879 against Kechevayo, under the command of Lord Chelmsford. An English detachment of 1400 people with 60 officers was destroyed by the West at Isandhluan on January 22; On June 1, the son of Napoleon III, Prince Napoleon, was killed during reconnaissance. On July 4, the British defeated Kechevayo at his capital, Ulundi, and on August 28. captured him. After that, the authorities over the English. troops went to Wolsley, who completed the defeat of the Zulus. The Zulu country was divided between 8 tribal leaders, including a cat. was an Englishman John Dunn; English was placed above them. a resident, and Z. was forbidden to preserve his military organization, bring weapons and wage wars.
            1. Artek
              Artek 30 March 2018 22: 26
              +1
              Quote: badens1111
              Quote: Artek
              your words are a primitive representation of a poorly educated civil

              You clearly outlined yourself
              The zulu ruler, unlike you, knew how to feed his army on a campaign.
              Shaka was killed in 1828 by his brother, Dingan, who distributed the Zulu possessions from Umzivyubyu to Delogoa Bay. Under him, the Zulus first came into collision with the whites, namely the fighters, who in 1837 appeared in the east valleys. the slopes of the Dragon Mountains, initially suffered defeat from the West, but in 1840 they deposed Dingan, who was replaced by his brother Pandoy, who became vassal dependent on the republic they founded.
              In 1856, civil strife erupted among the Zulus due to a dispute between the sons of Panda for the succession to the throne, which ended with the triumph of Kechevayo, or Setevayo, who, after the death of Panda (1872), became king Z. The army he organized was 40000 people. aroused fears of the British, who demanded her dissolution and, having been refused, moved in 1879 against Kechevayo, under the command of Lord Chelmsford. An English detachment of 1400 people with 60 officers was destroyed by the West at Isandhluan on January 22; On June 1, the son of Napoleon III, Prince Napoleon, was killed during reconnaissance. On July 4, the British defeated Kechevayo at his capital, Ulundi, and on August 28. captured him. After that, the authorities over the English. troops went to Wolsley, who completed the defeat of the Zulus. The Zulu country was divided between 8 tribal leaders, including a cat. was an Englishman John Dunn; English was placed above them. a resident, and Z. was forbidden to preserve his military organization, bring weapons and wage wars.


              in order for the Army to be necessary, the state would appear first, and not vice versa. Only a state with established socio-economic relations of maintaining order, collecting taxes, creating an ECONOMIC BASIS and developed production of IRON and STEEL has the prerequisites for creating such a complex institution of the army .
              Tribal relations have the ability to create and maintain small weakly armed units for raids on the same tribes around. So these Zulu did not create ANY state, they had neither cities, nor agriculture, nor a developed trade and financial system, therefore, for objective reasons, they could not have an army and defeat the armies of developed states.
              And the British always lie, in order to keep ignorantly weak-growing coconut and hamburger consumers grown on the ege. Do you understand?
              1. Type 63
                Type 63 30 March 2018 23: 47
                +2
                typical shkolota writings, without serious arguments and references to literature.
                1. Artek
                  Artek 31 March 2018 09: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Type 63
                  typical shkolota writings, without serious arguments and references to literature.

                  continue to enjoy the "masterpieces of world historical literature", as these stories, and the English and pin-ups, meanwhile, will plunder the world under soothing stories about the "British peacekeepers" and aggressive warlike and terrible zusuls.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 31 March 2018 21: 24
                    +6
                    The British are the most adequate and calm people of all nationalities with whom I had to deal during business trips and travels. To the asked question you get a short comprehensive answer. If they can help, they help, if not, they say so. And no counter questions, outpourings of souls, friendly pats and stupid compliments. Few emotions, empty talk. Everything about the case.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 31 March 2018 21: 29
                      +2
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      The British are the most adequate and calm people of all nationalities with whom I had to deal

                      I, hehe, have more communication experience. Everything, Lesha, thee said, it fits the definition of the indigenous inhabitants of Germany, but not Britain ....
                    2. karish
                      karish 31 March 2018 21: 34
                      +2
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      The British are the most adequate and calm people of all nationalities with whom I had to deal during business trips and travels.

                      Hi Aleksey.
                      I will never forget - I’m going to London in the subway and accidentally stepping on a woman’s legs.
                      - zero reaction
                      I attack the second - the same as it is not strange by chance - changed places with my wife - she just looked at me (I certainly apologized)
                      Well, of course, came the third time.
                      How not strange. by chance and I don’t know how - I’m advancing, sorry.
                      she gets up - looks at me with an annihilating look and, without saying a word, transplanted
                      English, no words good
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      Few emotions, empty talk. Everything about the case.

                      here I am about that.
                    3. Artek
                      Artek April 1 2018 07: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      The British are the most adequate and calm people of all nationalities with whom I had to deal during business trips and travels. To the asked question you get a short comprehensive answer. If they can help, they help, if not, they say so. And no counter questions, outpourings of souls, friendly pats and stupid compliments. Few emotions, empty talk. Everything about the case.


                      How is a Jew different from an Englishman? the Englishman leaves without saying goodbye, and the Jew says goodbye, but does not leave ...
                    4. Alf
                      Alf April 1 2018 22: 38
                      0
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      The British are the most adequate and calm people of all nationalities with whom I had to deal during business trips and travels. To the asked question you get a short comprehensive answer. If they can help, they help, if not, they say so. And no counter questions, outpourings of souls, friendly pats and stupid compliments. Few emotions, empty talk. Everything about the case.

                      As in the proverb - If all the fish got into a pond, it means that an Englishman swam there.
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac April 7 2018 23: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Type 63
                  typical shkolota writings, without serious arguments and references to literature.

                  They told you Russian in white for the army that you need a state, rear, industry, transport system, what other arguments do you need?
                  Common sense is not an argument for you, but you take the fabrications of the most lying people in the world on faith.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac April 7 2018 23: 26
              +1
              Quote: badens1111
              The zulu ruler, unlike you, knew how to feed his army on a campaign.

              Maybe share with us your "innermost" knowledge?
        2. Setrac
          Setrac April 7 2018 23: 23
          +1
          Quote: Tochilka
          I believe that the inhabitants of those lands knew quite well

          You do not think so. You poorly imagine how difficult it is to soak in the primeval nature with primitive weapons.
  21. Monarchist
    Monarchist 30 March 2018 17: 57
    +6
    Quote: Amurets
    Many of our volunteers were fully-fledged people, reasonable and at the same time possessing the Russian mentality with its constant search for justice. After all, by that time the news about the practice of using concentration camps and those monstrous methods of waging the British war against the Boers had reached the Russian Empire.

    Thanks, thanks. He knew something, heard something, but I see such a detailed analysis for the first time. and without politicization, and since it was really in those days.

    Amurets, you removed the language: the author gave a detailed analysis and, most importantly, without politicization, and more recently, the “black Napoleon” Seagulls could be presented as a progressive fighter for independence, and Maleme the leader of the left
  22. Monarchist
    Monarchist 30 March 2018 18: 11
    +4
    Quote: Vladivostok1969
    One of his favorite childhood books was Louis Bussenard's Captain Tear Off Head. Boer War with England

    I agree: Businar is a great writer. It so happened that I first "discovered" the Bead 16 years ago and still read it with interest
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 30 March 2018 21: 19
      +2
      Businar is a wonderful writer.

      From modern I like Wilbur Smith. A lot of works about Africa and the Boer Struggle.
  23. Babalaykin
    Babalaykin 30 March 2018 22: 22
    +2


    It is necessary to study the English-Boer better at school, maybe something shouting “abroad will help us” will come to something - no, foreign countries will not help, even if you become a real European, they will knead for 300% of the profit.
    1. Constants Svitlo-Salomatov_2
      Constants Svitlo-Salomatov_2 31 March 2018 00: 01
      0
      speak correctly and still say it is sleeping, maybe it will reach them. KS2000,)
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  25. Nukesmoke
    Nukesmoke 30 March 2018 22: 42
    +1
    The Boers educated Africans in their own image. Let them eat.
    Actually, the Heart of Darkness is partially written about this.
  26. bubalik
    bubalik 30 March 2018 23: 00
    +1
    Thanks to the author. Very interesting and informative. good I look forward to continuing hi
  27. Constants Svitlo-Salomatov_2
    Constants Svitlo-Salomatov_2 30 March 2018 23: 57
    +1
    incredibly simple. I'm shocked. Well, the edge !!!!
  28. alavrin
    alavrin 31 March 2018 13: 13
    +3
    To whom this topic is interesting, I recommend the film "Dawn of the Zulus" (1979) - there is on YouTube about the battle of Izandlvan - the largest defeat of the British from the natives in Africa.
  29. Nickolai76
    Nickolai76 31 March 2018 14: 53
    +3
    In principle, it is clear that having lost to the British, passionate Dutch decided to seek happiness in a strange land, but merged without the support of the metropolis. As I understand it, only the States were able to become something big out of the colony and, as a result, eat up the possessions of the metropolis, but notice the locals, they practically destroyed and imported labor from outside. But even now they have serious problems with the Mexican population, which are already much larger.
    We didn’t do very well either, mind you, the Russians are expelled from almost all the republics, while they invested decently in them.
    The question of how to develop is facing humanity once again. Blacks are killed, yellows are turned into slaves, white ones are trying to use, red ones have been trying to engage in progression, almost all projects have failed. What to do, that’s the question? After all, we cannot even agree on one planet, and space is not a solution, but just another delay.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 March 2018 15: 39
      +6
      . "As I understand it, only the States were able to become something big from the colony and eventually eat the property of the metropolis" ////

      Not only. Australia, Canada, N.Zelandy managed to become developed independent countries from the colonies, in terms of per capita income, overtaking England. Actually, all the colonies of England, except for the African ones, succeeded. Even India has embarked on a successful economic voyage.
      All the attempts of the white colonialists, the American imperialists, Soviet communists and all others crashed about Africa. "Clinical case."
      1. Nickolai76
        Nickolai76 31 March 2018 16: 07
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Not only. Australia, Canada, N.Zelandy managed to become developed independent countries from the colonies, in terms of per capita income, overtaking England.

        These are satellites lacking an independent foreign policy; they will always act within the framework set by the metropolis. I think the British elite there, I thought when I wrote about the countries of the South. America, but there, too, they are not able to independently hold an external blow and they are bred as "children" by the same States.
        Raising your own elite, ready to serve the good of your own country and be guided by its interests in the first place, even contrary to your own, is worth a lot.
        That Union failed to educate such an elite, whatever you say. I think because of the consumer attitude of national elites, and the Russians felt like a stepmother, the first if difficult, the latter when good. However, the Jews, too, did not feel normal in it, it turned out to be a "communal country", like together, but everyone wants their own))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 31 March 2018 21: 34
          +3
          "I think the elite is British" ////

          Long gone. The British Commonwealth is no longer based on the commands of the former metropolis, but on reasonable mutual military benefits. If someone climbs, for example, butting with Australia, then he will deal with the whole English-speaking world. And this is serious. The same thing is about England. She herself was weakened, but her allies were very economically strong.
          There will always be financial loans, supplies of raw materials and military assistance.
          1. karish
            karish 31 March 2018 21: 37
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And this is serious. The same thing is about England. She herself was weakened, but her allies were very economically strong.
            There will always be financial loans, supplies of raw materials and military assistance.

            a union of English-speaking countries is more than a union.
            I have this beautiful view in Canada and America.
            It’s like countries with one umbilical cord.
          2. Nickolai76
            Nickolai76 April 1 2018 17: 41
            +1
            Practice is a criterion of truth, because arrogant and dirty the British use their vassals in wars as cannon fodder, there is no talk of equal rights there. Secondly, the military-industrial complex is neither in Australia nor in Canada, that is, countries do not have full independence and always depend on elders, where for amers war is a business, for the British it is the promotion of one’s ideas.
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich April 1 2018 20: 35
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "As I understand it, only the States were able to become something big from the colony and eventually eat the property of the metropolis" ////
        Not only. Australia, Canada, N.Zelandy managed to become developed independent countries from the colonies,

        Australia, Canada, N.Zeland are semi-independent countries. still walk under the British Crown. their status is "DOMINION"
      3. Alf
        Alf April 1 2018 22: 40
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        All the attempts of the white colonialists, the American imperialists, Soviet communists and all others crashed about Africa. "Clinical case."

        How can you develop those that got off the palm the day before yesterday and whose tail fell off just yesterday?
        1. Navy7981
          Navy7981 April 8 2018 20: 20
          0
          Not sure what fell off. In childhood, they chop and cauterize.
  30. Doliva63
    Doliva63 31 March 2018 20: 31
    +8
    Once invited to South Africa - a contract with their MO. The wife dissuaded. So the principle - listen to your wife and do the opposite, is not always true laughing
  31. Chever
    Chever 31 March 2018 21: 27
    +1
    Blacks in Africa always had their own jokes among themselves. And then White also pinned up adding his lulz. So, there are neither good nor bad guys: that Blacks, that White is full of marginals, in addition, they converged there ...
  32. andj61
    andj61 31 March 2018 23: 43
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    I read this novel for a long time, in childhood. Meters instead of feet, as I suspect, is a translator's mistake. Which went for a walk around the publications a long time ago. But I do not insist on my hypothesis.

    Boussenard is French, and they used the meters first. It is about meters and millimeters - when he compares the caliber, the length of the barrel, and the characteristics of the Mauser carbine and English lifters. hi
  33. Catfish
    Catfish April 1 2018 00: 29
    +5
    South Africa had an excellent white army - now it is gone. There is still an excellent military industry, but ... apparently, and it will not be soon. And the Americans will benefit from this. So look, who benefits from this mess. negative
  34. Nickolai76
    Nickolai76 April 1 2018 07: 08
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    South Africa had an excellent white army - now it is gone. There is still an excellent military industry, but ... apparently, and it will not be soon. And the Americans will benefit from this. So look, who benefits from this mess. negative


    Most likely you are right, this "overgrowth mutant" (States) is destroying and becoming dependent on new countries in order to destroy competition. After all, the states are completely artificial education that can live off the flow of external blood (people from outside), its only managers, warriors and banksters, and they constantly need slaves, that is, a stream is created below, which climbs out of its skin to break up.
    Most likely, Australia would have been happy with the former Boers, but as I understand South Africa, this is the pearl of the African continent and, as always, Black will miss his chance.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 1 2018 21: 55
      +3
      "After all, the states are completely artificial education" ////

      States - since 1776. And Canada was formed even later - in 1867. And Australia - even later in 1901. The later - the better, so it turns out ... recourse For all these countries, people seek to resettle, and their “oldies” countries for some reason run away ...
      1. Nickolai76
        Nickolai76 April 2 2018 18: 18
        +1
        The revolutionaries went to the American colonies after the restoration of the monarchy in England and in the new lands they tried to arrange what did not work out. When economic interests clashed with the mother country, they decided to get rid of the imposed rules. Note England hired the Germans, and the rebels (Franklin) invited the French. Russia watched with interest, and only in the civil war did it alienate England and France from intervention. I think Lincoln and Alexander II were killed precisely because of the fact that they did not allow to realize the ideas of rapprochement between the two countries, like Roosevelt and Kennedy. That is, in the States there is a very influential anti-Russian lobby that will not allow its leaders to come to an agreement.
        Canada did not become part of the States even in the era of their omnipotence, although, as I understand it, the creeps were more interesting with Australia. Japan rushed there all of World War II, but they were given the opportunity to defeat the British, even to defeat the obsolete fleet at Pearl Harbor, but destroyed their fleet (aircraft carriers) on the outskirts of N.Zelandii. There was a very interesting gambit, given the fact that the Americans decrypted the Japanese ciphers before the war and knew their plans and listened to the negotiations.

        ps I think the elite is planning a "backup airfield" when everyone throws and unleashes a world massacre in Eurasia.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac April 7 2018 23: 33
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        States - since 1776. And Canada was formed even later - in 1867. And Australia - even later in 1901. The later - the better, so it turns out ...

        Modesty is not your thing.
  35. Kawado s
    Kawado s April 3 2018 14: 56
    0
    Now, of course, it is precisely the time to think about the situation in South Africa.
    But the story is interesting. To the author plus.
  36. Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 April 4 2018 13: 34
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    Interesting. Recently I saw what the next winners of common sense turned the center of Johannesburg into.
  37. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 6 2018 13: 31
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    The most terrible fascism is Negro; it cannot be compared with Hitler and Bandera. Who has been in Africa for a long time will confirm my words.
  38. NACC
    NACC April 7 2018 18: 37
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    Very informative and interesting!
  39. u1977020556
    u1977020556 April 8 2018 01: 04
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    Negro racism is good, ceteris paribus they just need to be left alone, no need to intervene, they are already backward, they may evolve in the end, they will build a state, they will write a bright constitution)) themselves, and they will not allow anyone to do this.
    1. Navy7981
      Navy7981 April 8 2018 20: 17
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      They won’t build anything. They will devour what is left of the whites and heal like 1000 years ago.
  40. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 8 2018 20: 16
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    Well, wait! Now in South Africa there will come a time of limitless democracy with the cutting out of those who disagree. If these guys take power - tryndets South Africa. After the abolition of apartheid, they have fallen so much in development, and now there will already be an end to a short history.
    By coincidence, almost random events were there during apartheid. I’ll say that even though the Yuarites were our enemies at that time, it’s better not to be captured, but to live a normal life, EDUCATED и WORKING white was good there. However, working !!! everything was not bad there, both white and black.

    In 19 .. in Cape Town, public transport was updated at a time (as I understood). So, after three years of operation, the buses on which White only was written looked like new, the buses on which nothing was written looked like carts from post-apocalepsis and so almost everywhere where control was transferred to black. I, then still, "pumped up by internationalism," was surprised that whites were so bad at blacks. It was only later that he realized that buying white buses for everyone does not force Black to defecate directly on the bus, to break glass in it, to tear off the upholstery of the seats, to write abomination on the sides. All these black guys did absolutely independently and voluntarily. I was told that they were not given education, but it turned out that the vast majority of blacks did not study at all, and didn’t want to, moreover, they didn’t want to, and not many who still studied, for some reason, when the mess started to eliminate that very apartheid turned out to be on the side of whites. It was the same in Rhodesia and elsewhere. It’s just that whites in Africa developed very dynamically and had by no means a ghostly chance to become very, very serious competitors in the already divided world, and thereby very, very much interfered with some greedy hands eating three throats.
  41. Setrac
    Setrac April 9 2018 18: 47
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    Quote: glory1974
    what are we talking about. The troops leave for the operation, they are centrally supplied with everything necessary. But for the militants, everyone is spinning as best he can, bought - yes, not bought - no. No one will give you anything, will not provide anything.

    Where there are armies fighting, there are no shops, where terrorists are fighting there are shops - that’s the whole difference, besides feeding a few tens of people and a few tens of thousands is not the same thing.
  42. nafanal
    nafanal April 9 2018 20: 47
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    Well, black racism is not news for me. In my youth, I ended up wintering in Antarctica. They stood on the road for almost a month in Nigeria. There I happened to collide. Kukluksklanovtsi fluffy kittens
  43. SASHA OLD
    SASHA OLD April 9 2018 20: 56
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    here is this article! thanks a lot to the author!
  44. Beltasir matyagu
    Beltasir matyagu 26 May 2018 01: 17
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    Tolerance policy
  45. iggrimnir
    iggrimnir 26 May 2018 14: 40
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    Thank! There were glimpses of understanding what was happening in the Black Vinaigrette ... In principle, I thought that everyone there was dug up in turn.
  46. Usher
    Usher 27 May 2018 10: 06
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    Quote: Artek
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Artek
    poisoned arrows spat on the Anglician soldiers, or let a herd of mad hippos go? not otherwise.

    Everything is simpler: the length of the battle lines of limes, a 12-fold numerical superiority of the Zulus, the surprise of the attack (the limes were scouted for reconnaissance), an attack from several sides at once and a quick rapprochement with the enemy with the transfer to hand-to-hand combat despite the losses. The Zulus did not take prisoners and pursued the fleeing enemy to the last.
    Do not forget that the firearms of that time are single-shot rifles. The ammunition which was stored in packs packed in zinc, packed in sturdy wooden crates. Moreover, these boxes were in the wagon train, and cartridges were given out to the traders only in bulk. In the movie about the battle at Rorks-Drift, they showed how much time it takes to bring cartridges ... and what happens if, for example, a key is lost that opens zinc.
    Plus, when shooting, the rifle overheated after a dozen shots at a fast pace.

    The point in the confrontation between the natives and the army in the colonies was set by the appearance of automatic small arms. As Hillary Bellock wrote:
    Whatever happens, we have got
    The Maxim gun, and they have not.

    Negroes are the same soldiers as the Mongols, some sheep graze, others also graze sheep, what kind of soldiers are they? Yes, and weapons of spear and bows, maybe. If a detachment of 1700 soldiers makes 10 shots, it will be 17 thousand shots from UNDEFENSEED BARE FORWARDING BLACK PEOPLE, in short you can certainly trust English fairy tales, only one thing is not clear how, with such losses from primitive aborigines, England was able to achieve the conquest of the world.

    Hey! And then the Mongols, in those days you also flocked sheep, so don’t quiver? OK? And you will not believe, even England grazed sheep.
  47. Bergbur
    Bergbur 18 June 2018 20: 40
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    "The blacks live there on the principle that who is not ours, not black, is ... the enemy." ////

    The blacks there cut each other cruelly, ruthlessly. I saw there (from a safe distance) a black dormitory with black immigrants from Mozambique burning. It was set on fire by local black Bantu (Khos, Sutu). And they did not allow to be saved. Until the police (Zulu and the whites) drove away the thugs with water jets. All the details were told to me later by colleagues.
    And if you think that whites are there, you are mistaken even more. All the other whites cannot stand the Boers: the British, Italians, Portuguese, Jews, and Greeks. Hindus, mulattos (colored "colored") And all of the above do not contact each other. Brittle country
    with a heavenly climate. sad

    Just like the modern "Ukraine."
  48. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 20 August 2018 19: 28
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    Quote: Usher
    What are you talking about? The Mongols knew this very well and know it. Unlike you, the Mongols know their entire family.

    These were not Mongols, but Kimaki. The Mongols then, as now, were engaged in cattle breeding. And there were no Tatars either. They appeared in the 19th century. And the question of the Boer War is very interesting. The British everywhere pushed opium. Apparently they tried here, but they got it by their impudent English physiognomy ...
  49. NordUral
    NordUral 21 August 2018 09: 14
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    Good article, a lot of interesting, thanks! And this Julius Malema is a hybrid of a brother from 90's and Nazi's 30's. These guys get muddied, drink plenty of blood.