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Russian generals will be able to fly first class

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Russian generals will be able to comfortably fly in airplanes around the country and abroad at the expense of the Ministry of Defense, according to News.




It is not only about business class, but also about the rare and most expensive - the first. The corresponding order should be signed soon. Currently, the generals pay flights only in economy class.

As the newspaper was told in the Ministry of Defense, "the development of the draft order of the Minister of Defense" On determining the order, cases and peculiarities of registration, issuance and use of military shipping documents ... "" is being completed. " For the first time, this document will unite the standards for the transport of troops of all categories, which were previously regulated by various orders.

“During business trips for the first time, they will receive the right to fly in first-class salons on flights of any airlines, including foreign ones. All other servicemen will, as before, use the economy class salons. If the duty station is located in the Far North, in some other remote areas of the Russian Federation, then the general and his family members will be able to go on vacation in Russia for the first or business class for free, ”the newspaper writes referring to the military department.

Generals have every right to such an advantage that emphasizes their special status and powers. Improving the class of tickets will guarantee to fly in the right direction, since expensive tickets are always on sale. Paradoxical as it may sound, the new measure may lead to some savings. Previously, military transport aircraft were used to deliver generals on a business trip, or even on vacation. aviation. Their operation is much more expensive than any first-class ticket,
said the former commander of the front aviation of the Russian Air Force, Colonel-General Nikolay Antoshkin.
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  1. Click
    Click 29 March 2018 12: 17
    +11
    All the prelude to themselves kicked sad well, another time there is no money ... angry
    1. Vard
      Vard 29 March 2018 12: 19
      +16
      How nice it is to be a general ... How nice it is to be a general ... better than work, I won’t name you seniors ...
      1. Greg Miller
        Greg Miller 29 March 2018 12: 22
        +15
        The Russian army is increasingly reminiscent of the Russian Imperial in recent years .... Soviet asceticism is a relic of the past ...
        1. Anarchist
          Anarchist 29 March 2018 12: 29
          +21
          Now it will be even easier for generals to bear all the hardships and deprivations of military service!
          They forget the commandments of the legendary, unsurpassed Alexander Vasilyevich that the general is first of all a soldier, and only then an official ...
        2. zhekazs
          zhekazs 29 March 2018 12: 30
          +6
          Quote: Greg Miller
          Soviet asceticism is a relic of the past ...

          Yes, to be honest, the generals don’t mind, let them fly first and business class for themselves. But the servants of the people should be poduzhat in this regard, since the servant, you can and standing and in the luggage .. But here, as they say, should be everyone deserves it. There is probably a Committee on the Ethics of Civil Servants, so let it deal with officials.
        3. captain
          captain 29 March 2018 12: 34
          +16
          Quote: Greg Miller
          The Russian army is increasingly reminiscent of the Russian Imperial in recent years .... Soviet asceticism is a relic of the past ...

          Regarding the asceticism of Soviet generals. I had the good fortune of serving on the SF. So there, the wife of the PMC was sent to the Crimea on a special board, and we were allowed to fly to Biysk on it. We had a commander of the Federation Council (after his dismissal, he was an adviser to Luzhkov), so he couldn’t put his butt on an ordinary bench MI-8, only a helicopter with a soft armchair. In Afghanistan, officers and warrant officers did not see their wives 1-2, and our commander, General Mironov, brought his wife to Bagram and she went to the markets of Kabul accompanied by a reconnaissance company. When you do not know, do not lie. Although judging by the comments, you are not alone here.
          I am against this privilege, it would be better if the salaries of contractors were raised.
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        4. Piramidon
          Piramidon 29 March 2018 12: 48
          +3
          Quote: Greg Miller
          Soviet asceticism is a relic of the past ...

          And in Soviet times, officers and warrant officers were issued travel documents (business trip, vacation) for the train, and generals for the plane. I flew on vacation with Aeroflot and I had to pay the difference between the train and the plane from my pocket, since I had not reached the general.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 29 March 2018 16: 51
            +4
            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: Greg Miller
            Soviet asceticism is a relic of the past ...

            And in Soviet times, officers and warrant officers were issued travel documents (business trip, vacation) for the train, and generals for the plane. I flew on vacation with Aeroflot and I had to pay the difference between the train and the plane from my pocket, since I had not reached the general.

            Depended on the distance. From Chita to Moscow flew for free. Even conscripts went on vacation from the GSVG to Kazakhstan by air. By the way, he flew on an urgent flight from Leningrad via Moscow to Sverdlovsk without surcharge.
          2. helmi8
            helmi8 30 March 2018 00: 45
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            And in Soviet times, officers and warrant officers issued travel documents (business trip, vacation) issued to the train, and generals to the plane.

            In remote areas, officers and warrant officers were given an air regiment. Wives on the train. And since 1983 (if memory serves) - they began to give to wives. From 1981 to 1993 he served in the Far Eastern District, on vacation only by plane.
      2. ct Petrov
        ct Petrov 29 March 2018 12: 26
        +5
        How nice it is to be a general ... How nice it is to be a general ... better than work, I won’t name you seniors ...


        but not everyone is given. To get such weather - you need to study at the school and at the academy, and then study, after the academy.

        In general, it is necessary to give many years to the service of the Motherland in order to get the general's shoulder straps.
        I think they deserve to fly 1 class. Moreover, almost always it is not filled.

        Service is not a job. I don’t see any reason for me to fly in 1st class, and for the general - yes, I would have given way, there would have been an opportunity.

        I think the army generals deserve to fly in comfort.
        1. cats
          cats 29 March 2018 12: 40
          +3
          Quote: ct Petrov
          I think the army generals deserve to fly in comfort.

          Support. hi
          The scariest beast is a toad .. laughing
        2. faridg7
          faridg7 29 March 2018 14: 57
          +5
          Quote: ct Petrov
          but not everyone is given. To get such weather - you need to study at the school and at the academy, and then study, after the academy.
          In general, it is necessary to give many years to the service of the Motherland in order to get the general's shoulder straps.

          And we had one companion, he became a general with us, and so, in my opinion, the whole secret was in the cherished words- "I don’t know anything to be done by morning !!!" There was a fairy-tale idiot (although why was he? Is, alive, so far).
          And on the subject, in the troops, s.k., there are no other problems, except for the need to highlight the general status? I’m already the fourth year, s.ka., the fourth year, a cadet boy, I buy airline tickets with adventures - they constantly endure vacation dates, I had to hand over tickets and buy new ones a couple of times, I had to buy tickets three days before departure. I just don’t want to get upset, and therefore I don’t count how much I lost on those bonuses of the heads of the Krasnodar school (also probably the general with the general status). The head of the school is not able to put things in order in the school (class schedule is an order from the head of the school, which is stupidly not fulfilled), and the casket just opened — he simply had no high general status when flying, and now everything will be fine right away!
        3. PFT
          PFT 29 March 2018 15: 41
          +2
          Well, Shevtsova, without any academy, she received the army general in 10 years.
          1. bnm.99
            bnm.99 29 March 2018 18: 52
            +1
            No need to juggle and scribble nonsense in comments. Shevtsova is a real state adviser to the Russian Federation of the 1st class and a civil servant, she deserves her epaulettes, and if you are jealous, then these are your problems.
            1. PFT
              PFT April 7 2018 07: 15
              0
              Quote: bnm.99
              No need to juggle and scribble nonsense in comments. Shevtsova is a real state adviser to the Russian Federation of the 1st class and a civil servant, she deserves her epaulettes, and if you are jealous, then these are your problems.

              If you remember her in the Moscow Region, “brought” Serdyukov, here’s the answer for what you deserve and look at the number of awards, so you can “envy”, almost ditched the defense and still free.
      3. Horst78
        Horst78 29 March 2018 15: 00
        +1
        "The general is not a post, this is Happiness" Antibiotic "Bandit Petersburg"
      4. Glory1974
        Glory1974 29 March 2018 18: 27
        0
        How nice to be a general ...

        The general is not a rank, the general is happiness laughing
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 29 March 2018 12: 22
      +4
      Maybe we can repair several double-seat fighters, we manufacture the USSR, and hand it over to the gentlemen generals. And faster and more economical, and verification, climbed-check passed
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 29 March 2018 12: 33
        +8
        Quote: Chertt
        Maybe we can repair several double-seat fighters, we manufacture the USSR, and hand it over to the gentlemen generals. And faster and more economical, and verification, climbed-check passed

        A seditious little thought !!! Are you proposing to leave the army without the Generals? There those who "fit" - you can count on the fingers! lol
      2. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 29 March 2018 12: 46
        +7
        Quote: Chertt
        Maybe we can repair several double-seat fighters, we manufacture the USSR, and hand it over to the gentlemen generals. And faster and more economical, and verification, climbed-check passed

        Savitsky, already being the commander of air defense, often flew to the regiments on the Yak-25. There was an idea to build a Yak-9K ("courier") for the delivery of command personnel, but only one instance was built.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 29 March 2018 12: 54
          0
          Quote: Avis-bis
          There was an idea to build a Yak-9K ("courier") for the delivery of command personnel

          I read about similar projects. So in my jokes, there was only a fraction of the jokes
          1. Avis-bis
            Avis-bis 29 March 2018 13: 19
            +6
            Quote: Chertt

            I read about similar projects. So in my jokes, there was only a fraction of the jokes


            Yak-9 "Courier"


            “the rear passenger cabin is covered with cloth and is equipped with a floor, a removable seat and a side pocket for cards or a field bag. Both cabins are equipped with urinals”
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 March 2018 13: 00
        +3
        Quote: Chertt
        Maybe we can repair several double-seat fighters, we manufacture the USSR, and hand it over to the gentlemen generals. And faster and more economical, and verification, climbed-check passed

        Apparently you have no idea about any high-level checks in the army. There the main general is accompanied by a bunch of smaller generals and an even more massive bunch of “seamstresses,” as we called them. In the Tu-134 barely fit, and you're talking about a "double fighter"
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 29 March 2018 13: 22
          +4
          Quote: Piramidon
          the main general is accompanied by a bunch of smaller generals and an even more massive bunch of “seamstresses”, as we called them

          Well, so, maybe they should limit this “servitor” to a minimum, and not drive 40-ton planes? Ordinary and enough. Although, not a small child, he will get dressed. And they can pet the tunic.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 29 March 2018 13: 31
            +1
            Quote: Avis-bis
            Well, so maybe you should limit them to this “servitor” to a minimum

            And who will pick out and fix all the flaws in the whole division? The orderly will not cope
            1. Avis-bis
              Avis-bis 29 March 2018 14: 40
              +4
              Quote: Piramidon

              And who will pick out and fix all the flaws in the whole division?

              Not all trips have exactly this purpose.
            2. Doliva63
              Doliva63 29 March 2018 16: 57
              +4
              To crowd the generals in one division poking around - this is only GIMO, probably laughing They, yes, flew planes. But there were not so many of them, and the sense from them was pretty, in my opinion.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 29 March 2018 17: 49
                +1
                Quote: Doliva63
                and the sense from them was pretty, in my opinion.

                Yes, they prepared for GIMO in a few months, they put things in order. Immediately found paint and tools and spare parts and hp provided with everything necessary. But it was worth the nerves.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 29 March 2018 19: 36
                  +5
                  Well, that is, the benefit was concrete laughing
                  My school fell under them for the New Year 85-86, in my opinion. I was lucky, we were in the service. “Chizhik” came to us from them - in the winter it was almost 300 km. To go to check the number of interns! But - meticulous respect is respected. drinks Some of us wore red epaulettes on overalls, because they trained in the infantry regiment, so the Chizhik racked its brains - is this a violation or not? Decided, in the end, that it is possible, left without comment drinks
    3. neri73-r
      neri73-r 29 March 2018 12: 31
      +2
      Quote: Click
      All the prelude to themselves kicked sad well, another time there is no money ... angry

      Your statement from that opera - "the president of the Russian Federation must be deprived of" flashing lights "so as not to create traffic jams, even if in the West ....." Sometimes you need to think! The army, a clear hierarchical structure, each level should be different from the previous one and there is nothing extraordinary here. In the same way in uniform and monetary allowance. hi
      1. Click
        Click 29 March 2018 13: 06
        +5
        No, not one! And from the fact that servicemen cannot pay a mortgage request What is it like..? And as for the extra places in business classes, you can simply reduce them, and not lie that it is cheaper than in the economy class! ? And why didn’t the train please them? There are a lot of questions! And the answers are zero, one lie! And there are also defenders of the likes! negative
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 29 March 2018 13: 47
          +1
          Quote: Click
          No, not one! And from the fact that servicemen cannot pay a mortgage request What is it like..? And as for the extra places in business classes, you can simply reduce them, and not lie that it is cheaper than in the economy class! ? And why didn’t the train please them? There are a lot of questions! And the answers are zero, one lie! And there are also defenders of the likes! negative

          From Ukraine? laughing tongue
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 29 March 2018 17: 16
        +2
        Quote: neri73-r
        "the president of the Russian Federation must be deprived of" flashing lights "so as not to create traffic jams, even if in the West ....."

        Well, to deprive, not to deprive, and you almost hit the nail on the head. Putin for several years, visiting Peter, has been using a helicopter, if necessary, so as not to create traffic jams. Not always, he goes to Konstantinovsky (residence), which is about fifteen minutes from Pulkovo. And Medvedev, I remember, six years ago, "zoomed" when he drove through the city.
    4. adma
      adma 29 March 2018 12: 34
      +4
      Quote: Click
      All privileges kick themselves

      Here the official need is likely. With an average thickness, an ordinary Russian general does not fit into an ordinary passenger seat.
      1. Ierarh
        Ierarh 29 March 2018 12: 45
        +3
        It does not fit to kick out. Or send luggage ...
    5. karish
      karish 30 March 2018 08: 27
      +1
      Quote: Click
      All the prelude to themselves kicked sad well, another time there is no money ... angry

      to the premiere of some sort of England, to the whole general.
      Although what is surprising. Dogs fly by vice premier with private jet on vacation

      Recently, a photograph taken by a teenage girl circled the internet, which flew lowcost Easyjet to Portugal. In a row next to her sat British Prime Minister James Cameron.
      He flew on vacation to join his resting wife and children. Accompanied by his bodyguard, Cameron took a seat in the economy class, ate Pringles chips and looked at the iPad.
  2. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 March 2018 12: 21
    +6
    And prapory - business class. And the logistics of the army will come to life.
    Urgent flights: back and forth ... smile
    1. Dormidont
      Dormidont 29 March 2018 12: 25
      +1
      Prapory - on foot columns
      1. Avis-bis
        Avis-bis 29 March 2018 13: 00
        +5
        Quote: Dormidont
        Prapory - on foot columns



    2. 1vlad19
      1vlad19 29 March 2018 13: 23
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And prapory - business class.

      And that’s not all, the Far East flies and it seems like Transbaikalia (I'm not sure here).
  3. bazzbazz
    bazzbazz 29 March 2018 12: 21
    0
    The main thing is that they do not fly like this on vacation with their family! Of course it sounds like usual-snickering! but you can take a word for a try)
    1. forty-eighth
      forty-eighth 29 March 2018 12: 26
      +1
      If the duty station is located in the Far North, in some other remote regions of the Russian Federation, the general and his family members will be able to go on vacation in Russia for the first or business class free of charge, ”the newspaper writes with reference to the military department.

      Quote from the article.
  4. Dormidont
    Dormidont 29 March 2018 12: 24
    +3
    Looks like the generals are embarrassed that everyone doesn’t fit on VKS planes
    1. captain
      captain 29 March 2018 12: 42
      +4
      Quote: Dormidont
      Looks like the generals are embarrassed that everyone doesn’t fit on VKS planes

      In general, this disease passed to us from the Soviet army. For example, the chief of the officers' house in Moscow was a general. The head of the Voyentorg general, the head of the orchestra, the general, etc. etc. For example, our famous hockey player Tretyak Colonel.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 March 2018 12: 58
      +1
      Quote: Dormidont
      Looks like the generals are embarrassed that everyone doesn’t fit on VKS planes

      On the contrary - this is the number of passenger airborne sides in the Air Force. And it will continue to decline - because the Ministry of Defense in this role flies Il-62, Tu-154, Tu-134 and even Il-18.
    3. BAI
      BAI 29 March 2018 13: 57
      +2
      Strangely enough, Serdyukov abducted generals. Shoigu, at least, - returned back, maximum - increased.
  5. Ingvar0401
    Ingvar0401 29 March 2018 12: 27
    +3
    Okay, let the generals fly 1st class, but then the senior officers in business class. I think it will be fair
  6. PSih2097
    PSih2097 29 March 2018 12: 28
    +3
    and why then trifle, let’s buy them “lirjety”, you look and the first class is not required ...
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 March 2018 13: 10
      +1
      So the problem is precisely that those sides on which the generals used to fly earlier are now either decommissioned or registered, but they don’t fly. But there are no new domestic (or equivalent to them) cars of this class. The maximum that MO can buy is the An-148.
      You look at the fleet of passenger aircraft MO - with the exception of a few new boards, there is truly a flying museum of Soviet aviation. Crashed in 2016, the IL-18 (RF-91821) was 51 years old.
  7. Dude
    Dude 29 March 2018 12: 29
    +5
    Well, that’s how a fool can understand - what kind of defense can be talked about if the general with the kids in Sochi cannot fly FIRST class recourse Choke, like cattle, in Business ... crying
  8. Andrey591
    Andrey591 29 March 2018 12: 30
    +4
    Well, yes, they get the least. Apartments, permits, official transport ...
    1. ct Petrov
      ct Petrov 29 March 2018 12: 34
      +1
      Well, yes, they get the least. Apartments, permits, official transport ...


      no need to envy. One must strive. Before he became a general, he received a ticket and official transport - he still cursed everything at school and tasted all the charms and difficulties.

      And after school his path was a long one.
      1. Andrey591
        Andrey591 29 March 2018 12: 39
        +3
        And I do not envy, but ascertain. I judge even by our "office", although it does not belong to the armed forces, there are probably more generals than generals to the "soul of employees".
      2. Dude
        Dude 29 March 2018 13: 54
        0
        You can count them on the fingers.
        Basically, a joke is recalled, which explains why the colonel’s son cannot become a general No.
  9. kukriniks
    kukriniks 29 March 2018 12: 34
    +1
    That's right, in no other way.
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 29 March 2018 12: 38
    +6
    A.V.Suvorov would not approve of the innovation and would fly on vacation in the “corn box”: he would hide in a soldier’s blanket, on the halt immediately to the fire --- there is porridge with little brothers. smile
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 29 March 2018 12: 43
      +7
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      A.V.Suvorov would not approve

      “The commander should not wage war on paper, but with his own eyes look at the soldier.” (A.V. Suvorov)
    2. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 29 March 2018 12: 55
      +9
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      A.V. Suvorov would not approve of the innovation and would fly on vacation on the "corn-truck"

      NATO generals fly on "lousy" (with the so-called our generals) cessna-550, in which the seats are, of course, comfortable, but they cannot fold into the bed, like first-class chairs, and do not get upright in the cabin.
      Type of such.

      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 29 March 2018 14: 32
        +1
        Quote: Avis-bis
        NATO generals fly on "lousy" (with the so-called our generals) cessna-550,

        They not only fly "in the zapadlo" so, they drive in the zapadlo worse than Mercedes / BMW / Volkswagen.
        1. Avis-bis
          Avis-bis 29 March 2018 14: 43
          +4
          Quote: Normal ok

          They not only fly "in the zapadlo" so, they drive in the zapadlo worse than Mercedes / BMW / Volkswagen.

          Well, so, this cessna is the analogue of a not-so-sophisticated "Merc." An analogue of a more “cool” aircraft is a Rolls-Royce. they don’t ride on them. :)
  11. prior
    prior 29 March 2018 12: 46
    +3
    Great they were punished, instead of personal planes and helicopters forced to fly 1st class.
    Poor, poor generals .....
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 30 March 2018 08: 04
      0
      Quote: prior
      Great they were punished, instead of personal planes and helicopters forced to fly 1st class.

      Of course, they punished. He was the master in his personal plane, and then he became an ordinary passenger. request
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 29 March 2018 12: 47
    0
    ALWAYS the top command had a cast and nowhere to go from this. Even in archaic society, there was a difference between ordinary warriors and their leaders.
    “It seems paradoxical that a new measure can lead to some savings”, perhaps this is true for example: a divisional commander in Chukotka got a vacation and no longer requires the transport worker to take him and his wife to the South, and the general and general cannot take all the space on the plane and it turns out he carries air
  13. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 March 2018 12: 48
    0
    on official needs by transport, on personal even in a personal plane at his own expense
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 March 2018 13: 08
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      on official needs by transport, on personal even in a personal plane at his own expense

      Have you tried to fly away in summer or leave by public transport from the Kola Peninsula or from Kamchatka to the Black Sea? Even in Soviet times, on the Northern Fleet we always organized flights of transport workers from north to south for officers, warrant officers and their families. And not in 1st grade, but on folding chairs in ordinary An-12/26. It's not even about the money, but the lack of free space on the railway and Aeroflot.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 29 March 2018 17: 04
        +1
        Quote: Piramidon
        Even in Soviet times, on the Northern Fleet we always organized flights of transport workers from north to south for officers, warrant officers and their families.

        so the conversation is not about officers and families you couldn’t and cannot continue
  14. Charik
    Charik 29 March 2018 12: 50
    +5
    At whose expense they were going to fly comfortably, the Ministry of Defense - even if they fly on the corresponding daggers, even on Swans, but rather on a rocket with a strong dvigl - it’s infinite, that's all they want
  15. askort154
    askort154 29 March 2018 12: 53
    +3
    I agree, from an economic point of view, this is several times cheaper. Previously, consider it as a personal one: An-24, Yak-40, Tu-134 or Tu-154, depending on the position, flew on business trips and on vacation with families.
    What is the cost of a ticket in the first class, compared with the cost of providing a special flight for the delivery of the same “seat” ?! Still fishing and hunting, not on the Mi-8, but on the "UAZ-loaf." good
  16. shuravi
    shuravi 29 March 2018 12: 59
    +3
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Greg Miller
    Soviet asceticism is a relic of the past ...

    And in Soviet times, officers and warrant officers were issued travel documents (business trip, vacation) for the train, and generals for the plane. I flew on vacation with Aeroflot and I had to pay the difference between the train and the plane from my pocket, since I had not reached the general.


    Since Soviet times, travel documents for officers and warrant officers travel documents were issued for travel in a compartment carriage of a fast train.
    But, in the absence of railways messages, or if the travel time exceeded the established standards, then travel documents were issued on the plane.
    1. BAI
      BAI 29 March 2018 13: 53
      0
      travel in a compartment car of a fast train.

      It is in the compartment. When I wanted to take the documents for the reserved seat, to go with my friends, I was not allowed - only a coupe.
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 29 March 2018 21: 18
      0
      Quote: shuravi
      officers and warrant officers issued travel documents to travel in a compartment carriage of a fast train.

      Correctly. But if someone did not want to lose the time of their vacation on the road, they could take a plane ticket, according to the same documents, simply paying the difference between the compartment and the plane. I used this all the time.
  17. Palagecha
    Palagecha 29 March 2018 13: 01
    +6
    Isn’t it painful for the generals and admiralties to fly in the first class? One de three academies graduated! So they didn’t lie under bullets in hunger and cold, but in warmth and satiety !!! They are paid a completely different salary, this is the difference between the highest command staff from the eldest and youngest, and this is quite enough, as well as another form of clothing and official powers. Again, this class is beginning to be separated and turned into celestials, while everyone cites Suvorov as an example. Let them live according to the precepts of Suvorov-shchi and porridge from a soldier’s cauldron Yes, the choir on the choir and training by personal example of soldiers, miracle heroes. You look at these great commanders from children and households and take shame ... There is no fleet in the country, but there are probably only one admirals for the ship ...
  18. BVS
    BVS 29 March 2018 13: 06
    +1
    Quote: Piramidon
    Quote: Greg Miller
    Soviet asceticism is a relic of the past ...

    And in Soviet times, officers and warrant officers were issued travel documents (business trip, vacation) for the train, and generals for the plane. I flew on vacation with Aeroflot and I had to pay the difference between the train and the plane from my pocket, since I had not reached the general.

    In Soviet times, officers (and myself) had to fly on a vacation with Aeroflot, although I was still only a lieutenant engineer.
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 29 March 2018 13: 14
      +1
      Quote: bvs
      Quote: Piramidon
      Quote: Greg Miller
      Soviet asceticism is a relic of the past ...

      And in Soviet times, officers and warrant officers were issued travel documents (business trip, vacation) for the train, and generals for the plane. I flew on vacation with Aeroflot and I had to pay the difference between the train and the plane from my pocket, since I had not reached the general.

      In Soviet times, officers (and myself) had to fly on a vacation with Aeroflot, although I was still only a lieutenant engineer.



      So:
      http://lawru.info/dok/1984/10/08/n1182993.htm
      12. The right to travel by air is granted:

      - on business trips - with the permission of officials who have the right to appoint business trips:

      - when air transport is the only means of communication;


      - when the urgency of transportation is caused by the need to provide emergency medical care or, by order of the military medical commission, travel by air is necessary;

      - when the cost of travel by air does not exceed the cost of travel by rail, in its absence - by sea, river or road transport, and when traveling by several modes of transport - the total cost of travel by these modes of transport;

      - to practice and internships for students and cadets according to the curriculum of military schools, if the travel distance at one end of the path is 3000 km or more;

      - to the place of the next vacation and back to officers, warrant officers, midshipmen, extra-military servicemen who are in active military service in the Far East, Transbaikal, Siberian, Central Asian and Turkestan military districts, in the Pacific Fleet, in the Mongolian People’s Republic and in the Democratic Republic Afghanistan, as well as female military personnel serving in the indicated military districts (in the Pacific Fleet) and states;

      - to the place of acceptance of military transports (goods) under guard of guard personnel and when they return to the military unit from the place of delivery of military transports (goods), when the travel distance at one end of the way is 3000 km or more;

      - on short-term leave to students who do not have officer ranks, and cadets of military schools, members of the active military service, to Suvorov, Nakhimov, students of the Military Music School and military bands in the event of a serious illness or death of family members (father, mother, wife , children, brothers and sisters) or other persons, on whose education they were, when the travel distance at one end of the journey 3000 km or more, back - in the manner prescribed by paragraph "d" of Art. 7 of this manual;
  19. raw174
    raw174 29 March 2018 13: 13
    +4
    During the service, we unloaded furniture and other utensils from the BDK, Rear Admiral transported his belongings from Novorossiysk to Sevastopol, and you say first class ... The guys from the BDK said that they specially wound up ...
  20. Alexander War
    Alexander War 29 March 2018 13: 15
    0
    If I’m not fighting Generals, but if it’s parquet, then an economy class!
  21. shuravi
    shuravi 29 March 2018 13: 24
    +1
    Quote: Palagecha
    Isn’t it painful for the generals and admiralties to fly in the first class? One de three academies have finished! So they didn’t lie under bullets in hunger and cold, but in warmth and satiety !!!


    Yeah. for sure. This is how they are taken and born as generals. They were never lieutenants.

    1. Palagecha
      Palagecha 29 March 2018 13: 54
      +4
      That’s exactly what I thought that there would definitely be someone who would post this particular photo in defense of disadvantaged stripes. The presence of several decent and honored people in society does not make it that way in general. And so here. For their work, they get paid according to their position and rank with allowances. Benefits are an ordinary stratification of society. If you want to fly in comfort, pay out of your salary. Moreover, not all worthy can become generals. The place is not enough even for everyone who wants it. And worthy ...
  22. Vladimir Betonkin
    Vladimir Betonkin 29 March 2018 13: 49
    +2
    Gentlemen, generals have been flying for a long time in A class, and this corresponds to the First class according to the order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
  23. BAI
    BAI 29 March 2018 13: 50
    0
    Before for delivery of generals on a business trip, or even on vacation military transport aircraft were used.

    Have you tried to plant anyone?
  24. Dude
    Dude 29 March 2018 14: 01
    -1
    And for me, - here pensioners with experience in 40-50 years will get at least a thousand a month, for every year worked for the good of the country - then we can think about the generals! ..
    And, for now, kmk, it's too early
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 30 March 2018 08: 16
      0
      Quote: Dude
      And for me, - here pensioners with experience in 40-50 years will get at least a thousand a month, for every year worked for the good of the country - then we can think about the generals! ..
      And, for now, kmk, it's too early

      Now, some clerk who worked in the regional administration receives a pension more than a military officer.
  25. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 29 March 2018 14: 31
    +1
    And the economy class in the same plane flies slower or does not fly at all ?!
  26. shuravi
    shuravi 29 March 2018 14: 32
    0
    Quote: Palagecha
    That’s exactly what I thought that there’s sure to be someone who will post this particular photo in defense of disadvantaged stripes.



    In other words, this should be understood as follows:
    Isn’t it painful for the generals and admiralties to fly in the first class? One de three academies have finished! So they didn’t lie under bullets in hunger and cold, but in warmth and satiety !!!

    You crap.

    The presence of several decent and honored people in society does not make it such in general. So it is here. For their work, they receive a salary according to the position and rank with allowances.


    Are you ready to provide a track record of all generals of the army of the Russian Federation in support of your words? Or put it in your pants again?

    Benefits are an ordinary stratification of society.


    And it, society, cannot be single-layer.

    Want to fly in comfort, pay out of your salary.


    But nothing that these flights are not for a reason I want, but because of official necessity?
    And the fact that comfort is necessary for the general first of all of the mass of sores earned in the lieutenant years?

    In addition, not all worthy can become generals. The place is not enough even for everyone. And worthy ...


    Do you think all officers are eager for general stars? You are mistaken.
    1. Palagecha
      Palagecha 29 March 2018 21: 18
      0
      My dear, don’t cry. I feel sorry that you didn’t want and did not become a general or admiral. But don’t worry, my opinion still doesn’t solve anything, so your grandfather or dad or relative will fly first class out of necessity with all the family ones, protecting Also, next time, please choose expressions. You are not here in a school tube with a single-bellied grunt.
      1. shuravi
        shuravi 31 March 2018 13: 55
        0
        Quote: Palagecha
        My dear, don’t cry. I feel sorry that you didn’t want and did not become a general or admiral. But don’t worry, my opinion still doesn’t solve anything, so your grandfather or dad or relative will fly first class out of necessity with all the family ones, protecting Also, next time, please choose expressions. You are not here in a school tube with a single-bellied grunt.



        Listen, boy, I have no relatives in the ranks of the generals.
        But here are the familiar generals. Here's an example:
        https://www.booklot.ru/genre/dokumentalnaya-liter
        atura / biografii-i-memuaryi / book / ot-soldata-do-gen
        erala-vospominaniya-o-voyne / content / 3886472-shipa
        chv-konstantin-anatolevich-zagorelis-pochti-vse-t
        ablo-serznyih-otkazov-sistem /
        By the way, he also did not have star relatives, as in the vast majority. He graduated two years earlier than me. And the only difference we have is that he set himself ambitious plans, but I didn’t. Such is everyone’s personal choice. Someone wants to lead, but someone needs a helicopter cockpit and so that the head does not hurt the personnel.
        But if you say that he walked on his head and got his stars by pulling, then you will be ordinary, anonymous envious.
  27. shuravi
    shuravi 29 March 2018 14: 33
    0
    Quote: Dude
    And for me, - here pensioners with experience in 40-50 years will get at least a thousand a month, for every year worked for the good of the country - then we can think about the generals! ..
    And, for now, kmk, it's too early



    The question is under what conditions is this experience.
    1. Dude
      Dude 29 March 2018 18: 22
      -2
      I did not understand your question.
      In working conditions, in what else?
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 30 March 2018 08: 21
        0
        Quote: Dude
        In working conditions, in what else?

        Working conditions are also different. Agree that the work of a miner is somewhat different from the work of an official, but the latter often receives a much higher salary and pension.
  28. NF68
    NF68 29 March 2018 15: 27
    0
    The combat power of the Russian army from this will be at a higher level.
  29. Old26
    Old26 29 March 2018 16: 48
    +2
    Quote: Click
    All the prelude to themselves kicked sad well, another time there is no money ... angry

    Do you think that it is better to drive for example the TU-154 Salon with one general (or with 2-3 members of their families) than pay him for the first class?

    Quote: Greg Miller
    The Russian army is increasingly reminiscent of the Russian Imperial in recent years .... Soviet asceticism is a relic of the past ...

    Soviet asceticism has nothing to do with it. And in Soviet times, you could fly 1st class, but the question of payment was decided by the head. I could pay in full, but I could only as for an ordinary flight in economy class. And if you didn’t "hobble", then a couple of times a year you could fly in the first class, although the travel certificate clearly stated that you could not fly in it. But when he could not fly on a business trip due to lack of seats, and this was urgently needed, accounting paid for the first class. Or vice versa. The return was delayed due to lack of tickets for 3-4 days (especially on New Year's Eve). They paid for the first class. It was cheaper than extending the trip for several days and paying the per diem for a hotel and all the rest .... But as a "craft" I had to dangle a lot on business trips. Somewhere - on the service board, somewhere - by Aeroflot, somewhere - by train
    1. Avis-bis
      Avis-bis 29 March 2018 19: 57
      +7
      Quote: Old26
      in Soviet times, you could fly 1st class, but the question of payment was decided by the head. I could pay in full, but I could only as for an ordinary flight in economy class. And if you didn’t "hobble", then a couple of times a year you could fly in the first class, although the travel certificate clearly stated that you could not fly in it.

      In Soviet times, there was no first class, except for fifty aircraft flying to international destinations and on some domestic routes. "Salon" side is not the first class.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 29 March 2018 20: 42
      0
      Quote: Old26
      And in Soviet times, you could fly 1st class, but the question of payment was decided by the head

      I understand that you did not live in the USSR
  30. Reader 2013
    Reader 2013 29 March 2018 16: 57
    0
    I pour there as much as you like, the generals will fly into the place of flour
  31. New Year day
    New Year day 29 March 2018 17: 13
    +1
    in the 99th year in Novofedorovka met a plane with the commander of the SF aircraft. Arrived at the "AN" with a bunch of officers. Everything is simple.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 30 March 2018 08: 32
      0
      Quote: Silvestr
      in the 99th year in Novofedorovka met a plane with the commander of the SF aircraft.

      In the 99th position, the head of aviation was already called. hi
  32. Glory1974
    Glory1974 29 March 2018 18: 37
    0
    And there are train tickets more expensive than a plane. For example, there was an 10 000 ticket for a plane from St. Petersburg to Moscow, and an 25 000 in the compartment for the Afanasy Nikitin train. And although at the request it was possible to take for 25 thousand, no one went on it, no way.
    So everywhere you can find a healthy grain, and pervert any good deed to disgrace.
  33. faterdom
    faterdom 29 March 2018 19: 35
    +3
    Have you taken care of the admirals? On vacation, provide yachts with a length of at least 20m.
    Honestly, some dubious such a benefit. Nevertheless, generals would be better off traveling with normal people on vacation: after all, rest, and then Dyuzhev is completely out of the blue, then Lyuba Uspenskaya with dogs, then your wife or someone-she Arshavin, who directs everyone from the plane FSB forces! So the FSB general and his family will sit in first grade - and there is such an ambush - HEAD!
  34. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 29 March 2018 21: 07
    +1
    .. ". as expensive tickets always remain on sale."
    Well, let the generals pay extra and go to first grade. Or pay a toad strangling?
  35. Hiller
    Hiller 29 March 2018 21: 37
    +1
    General - to the general discord ... Shamanov, Troshev, Koretsky, Malofeev ... will the language turn to say a bad word about them? And today there are a lot of those ... for whom it is not a shame ... So let yourself fly both the first .. and the highest ... which ones are there ... and let them ask the "star" ones in all severity ..
  36. sgr291158
    sgr291158 30 March 2018 06: 28
    0
    Yes, with their salaries one would not have to bother.