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The guard of the shopping center "Winter Cherry" in the courtroom presented his version of the reason for the tragedy

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A court meeting was held, during which a decision was taken on the choice of a preventive measure against the security guard of the Zimnyaya Chery shopping center, Sergey Antyushin. This is the same person who was initially accused of having “turned off the fire alarm”. While in the courtroom, the PSC officer answered the questions asked by the journalists.


According to Antyushin, he reported in reports to the management that the fire alert button was faulty. However, measures were not taken during all the time he worked in the shopping and entertainment center.

The security guard of the Winter Cherry shopping and entertainment center confirmed the initial information that the flames had begun to spread from the children's game segment on the 4 floor.

RT quotes Antyushin:
There was a drawdown. In the children's center on the fourth floor. The fire and security system began to work randomly everywhere on the fourth floor. I saw on the monitor that there was smoke in the corridor of the cinema. Naturally, I immediately called 112 from a business phone, said that we had a fire in a shopping center. I called the guard who was on the 1 floor.


The guard of the shopping center "Winter Cherry" in the courtroom presented his version of the reason for the tragedy


Journalists asked the PSC employee if there were any cases when the fire alarm did not work for some time for technical reasons.

Antyushin:
Of course, there have been. Constantly something was, periodically something broke. All three years while I was working there.


The guard noted that he made notes about the identified problems in the log of reception and delivery of duty.

And this magazine, apparently, destroyed by fire.

Antyushin said that he considers the malfunctioning alert system to be the main cause of the entire tragedy in the Winter Cherry shopping center.

From his statement:
Another 19 of March, it worked for several times without any reason, but I didn’t turn it off, as someone says.


It should be noted that President Vladimir Putin demanded that the RF IC take into account all possible versions of the cause of the fire.

Several hours in the media referring to the Emergencies Ministry reported that the main version in the ministry is the arson at the location of the children's “dry” pool.
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 28 March 2018 17: 43
    +52
    Why is this publicity now ... first sort it out, and then merge it into the media ... people are now on such a platoon that, point your finger at a person (anyone) and say that he is involved in this and they will tear it to shreds.
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          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 29 March 2018 03: 49
            +2
            Quote: tomket
            And it never occurred to you that this is the first attempt to appoint the first switchman?

            I wonder why the not quite adequate part of our people likes to call the direct perpetrators of the tragedy - switchmen ??? fool maybe you still say that the guards who didn’t let people out already during the fire are also switchmen ??? fool
            1. free
              free 29 March 2018 07: 56
              +3
              Quote: Nikolai Grek
              Quote: tomket
              And it never occurred to you that this is the first attempt to appoint the first switchman?

              I wonder why the not quite adequate part of our people likes to call the direct perpetrators of the tragedy - switchmen ??? fool maybe you still say that the guards who didn’t let people out already during the fire are also switchmen?? fool

              and there were such guards? and they could keep people in a state of panic or close to that?
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 29 March 2018 16: 35
                0
                Quote: free
                Quote: Nikolai Grek
                Quote: tomket
                And it never occurred to you that this is the first attempt to appoint the first switchman?

                I wonder why the not quite adequate part of our people likes to call the direct perpetrators of the tragedy - switchmen ??? fool maybe you still say that the guards who didn’t let people out already during the fire are also switchmen?? fool

                and there were such guards? and they could keep people in a state of panic or close to that?

                "..." Rosguard within its competence will verify the protection of the shopping center. If the fact is confirmed, we will seek to prosecute these people and annul the license of a private security organization (with the imposition of maximum penalties on legal entities and officials), "Hinshtein wrote on Twitter on Monday.

                So he commented on media reports citing eyewitnesses that after a fire, the guards blocked the staircases, preventing the children from the game room on the fourth floor to go down ... "

                let's see what the test will say ... I said this to that, again, nonsense about switchmen begins !!! such a topic was in business with drowned schoolchildren at Syamozero !!! there the direct culprit, who considered the call of the children a joke, was called the switchman !!! fool it seems that people who call the direct culprits in the tragedy - switchmen, finally set off mind !!! negative
            2. tomket
              tomket 29 March 2018 10: 32
              0
              Quote: Nikolai the Greek
              maybe you still say that the guards who didn’t let people out already during the fire are also switchmen ???

              There were three guards, allegedly one at the remote control, and two throughout the shopping center. And as they say, they were the first to run away, together with the employees of the shopping center. Who didn’t let anyone else need to understand.
              1. Trotil42
                Trotil42 29 March 2018 13: 48
                +2
                Do not carry nonsense .. that the guards escaped ... Oleg was under a drip yesterday with burns of the respiratory tract ... I myself from Cherry .. worked before the fire ... I know them all ... tell me more about the button ... already proved that the alarm did not work (Bastrykin at a meeting with the president) ... the Ministry of Emergencies arrived without oxygen and water ... and did not enter the building at all ... there is a video where the kid jumps from the window of not a single Ministry of Emergency Situations, although they are already there ... ... Sergey was shut down ...
              2. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 29 March 2018 16: 43
                0
                Quote: tomket
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                maybe you still say that the guards who didn’t let people out already during the fire are also switchmen ???

                There were three guards, allegedly one at the remote control, and two throughout the shopping center. And as they say, they were the first to run away, together with the employees of the shopping center. Who didn’t let anyone else need to understand.

                need to understand, I do not argue !!! they say that the guards ran away, others say they saved, still others say they didn’t let out !! but tired of hearing nonsense about switchmen !!! if there is any guilt guilt (blocking people or turning off the alarm), then this is called direct fault in the deaths of dozens of people, and no search for switchmen am
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 28 March 2018 18: 04
      +10
      publicity is needed for the formation-- THERE IS ONE (OR SOME GUILTY

      antivirus 6 Today, 17:04 | Media: The Ministry of Emergencies called the main version of the cause of the fire in the mall "Winter Cherry"
      this is not a scribe-- this is just a mouse, A BIG SCRIPT WILL BE DISCOVERED BEFORE
      who benefits from setting fire?
      perhaps this is a division of land and the "free liberal market."
      may not find which influential one agreed to “push aside” some and bring others
    3. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 28 March 2018 18: 04
      +7
      I did not hear the main version of ChOPovch about the fire, which was the root cause, it all started at 16-00, it was very strange in time, even if the foam rubber of trampolines caught fire, it wasn’t gunpowder, there is always time to take measures for localization, or the hearth was instant and in a large area , then it's time to think about sabotage or revenge of employees to the owner of the shopping center, and here a non-working warning system fits in. I think the time has come to pin his Faberge in the narthex of the door, it acts very well as a keepsake.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 March 2018 18: 33
        +25
        Quote: ancestors from the Don
        then it's time to think about sabotage or revenge of employees to the owner of the shopping center,

        Knowing this kitchen from the inside, because the head of the Security Service of a large facility worked for three years, where everything was there, including its own gas boiler room, pump station, electrical substation and territory of 5 hectares, it came there after the facility burned down and the previous boss was fired. Also, a full-time fireman was not all locked up on the SB.
        I can only say that in such cases, the private security company is obliged to organize the evacuation of people according to the combat calculation and must know and have practical skills. Point. Everything else is an excuse, none of the shift and security personnel and cinema controllers were injured. Why does one get stuck? Close all and interrogate with prejudice, sellers tenants of people brought out people! no words.
        1. zulusuluz
          zulusuluz 28 March 2018 19: 37
          +6
          Knowing this kitchen from the inside
          Moreover, there is no real evidence that the alarm was malfunctioning and has not existed before. The ephemeral magazine burned out, employees of the shopping center - hit the road, leaving visitors to themselves. Yes, it’s only for the failure to provide assistance that you need to give real terms, and not justify listening.
          1. tomket
            tomket 28 March 2018 23: 48
            +8
            Quote: zulusuluz
            Moreover, there is no real evidence that the alarm was malfunctioning and has not existed before.

            There is no evidence that it worked at least somehow.
            In general, you need to ask a few simple questions.
            1) If the alarm was turned off, then when did this happen? BEFORE a fire? Say during a shift retake. Or at the time of the fire?
            2) Why is there no evidence that the alarm went off?
            Someone should have heard someone loved, A couple of seconds at least.
            3) Perhaps we are talking about a signal to the remote control of the fire department on duty. Then the issue is resolved quite easily. If there was a call cancellation, then there must be a cancellation confirmation by phone. Which is pretty easy to check by interviewing the fire department on duty.
            By the way, it is the statement that the alarm was not working that causes more confidence. This is where questions arise for the inspection bodies and the management of the shopping center.
            1. Operator
              Operator 29 March 2018 00: 23
              +4
              The alarm was chronically faulty - it was buggy shamelessly, so it was periodically stupidly turned off. The last time it was turned off 15 minutes before the fire.

              The question is different - why did the guard on duty at the alarm console, seeing the powerful smoke on the video screens, never include a warning on the fire in the shopping center visitors?

              Is he a party to arson?
        2. Cananecat
          Cananecat 28 March 2018 23: 40
          +2
          He himself went from a security guard to the head of the department. The duty guard service has always been given the task and practiced at the facilities one of the introductory items related to the fire at the facility, including in guarded shopping centers. But the protection of the protection of discord ... who worked, he knows.
          And the first thing that started to cut the rumor was not turning off the SPT, but blocked outputs during the evacuation ...
      2. zadorin1974
        zadorin1974 28 March 2018 19: 36
        +33
        It’s very disgusting to watch and listen to what is happening. Here. On the site people used to gather professional and sensible. And now the impression is that they are either stupid (to put it mildly) or gone. Let's look at things from a position of common sense and without politics. Here they attacked. someone actually imagines. how can such a building be blocked by two fighters and one operator? Living force at the facility is expensive. Owners are trying to reduce security costs by installing automation and video surveillance. In this case, again, they choose the cheapest options. I experienced this on their own experience. At the same time, security officers are reduced their salaries. Why do trained specialists leave and whoever gets hired. The same happens to protect schools. Did you hear that they are going to arm the schools with the National Guard, and at what rate will they pay manpower? the pros will leave and pick up pence, which would change the shift quietly and go home on the couch. Due to the fact that the guard transfer duty log burned out in the shopping center. it’s cleaned first. Because everything is written there, alarms, alarms, all the jambs. At least in our country these logs are checked and resolved (if it’s chop), except for the manual. EKPERDOV at least once been on fire? I literally had 10 minutes to extinguish an arson to stop the spread of open fire before the arrival of the fire brigade and get carbon monoxide with a burn of the upper respiratory tract, followed by a rest in pulmonology. And I was lucky that the firefighters arrived quickly, This tragedy has a whole range of problems. And the guards again drag in the security guard. And could he, with a malfunctioning alarm, stop the admission of people to the guarded object until the malfunction was corrected, or didn’t he call the emergency services when a fire was detected? Or did he follow the internal instructions for the performance of duties in case of emergency?
        1. Cadet
          Cadet 28 March 2018 20: 20
          +11
          In one major fire where the deaths of the fire brigade took place, one of the leaders also tried to put the blame on the guard, although the guards did everything correctly and clearly, everything according to the instructions and even more, the guards themselves already said that it would be better to burn out in a fire, and when the commission figured out, they found out that there was a malfunction in the equipment during a thunderstorm, etc. The guys from the fire department were sorry, from some only the belts remained.
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 28 March 2018 20: 52
            +3
            Dmitriy hi
            The guys from the fire department were sorry, from some only the belts remained.

            Where is it? Not out of idle curiosity, I ask. Native service. soldier
            1. Cadet
              Cadet 28 March 2018 20: 55
              +4
              NPS Konda, explosion of oil tanks
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 28 March 2018 21: 12
                +3
                Thanks, thanks. A similar case in Ivanovo is the Furniture Plant. Yes, a lot of things ...
                1. Cadet
                  Cadet 28 March 2018 21: 14
                  +1
                  just started to work and was very impressed with such an emergency
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 28 March 2018 21: 32
                    +2
                    Colleague? Studied where? hi
                    1. Cadet
                      Cadet 28 March 2018 21: 39
                      +4
                      I’m not a firefighter, I work on oil transportation, and I remembered this incident as I was a witness. In the same place, after the fire, many began to be clever and advised how to do it, how to put out it, etc., they got into their own business. The commission worked, established and all who needed to convey what and how. You yourself know that there are a lot of wise men at once.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 28 March 2018 22: 09
                        +3
                        Yes, I know, of course. I wish you less to become a witness of such an emergency, let everything go peacefully without excesses. Good luck to you. hi
        2. Trotil42
          Trotil42 29 March 2018 14: 13
          0
          Since the system did not work, he called 112 ...
      3. Trotil42
        Trotil42 29 March 2018 14: 01
        0
        In reality, we ourselves don’t know the reason ... talked with them ... who saw the video ... it’s not clear whether it was closed ... or they threw a firecracker ... recently, youth gangs shared Cherry ... they could have ...
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 28 March 2018 18: 10
      +36
      The reason is not in the warning system, but in the system of Russian business fused with the state. When the rupe is more precious than life, it will be so. winked
      1. vik669
        vik669 28 March 2018 20: 05
        +6
        The reason is not in the notification system, but in the system ...! "Business on everything and EVERYTHING - and nothing personal -" Whether it will still be, Whether it will still be, Whether it will still be, oh-oh-oh-oh! ".
        1. kasatky
          kasatky 29 March 2018 10: 17
          +1
          Yes. A business assesses risks for itself, and not for consumers. If the risk of a serious fire falls within a fraction of a percent, then why seriously spend money on its even greater minimization? Only strict legislation and control over its implementation will help protect people.
      2. Trotil42
        Trotil42 29 March 2018 14: 06
        +1
        I completely agree with you ... the continuation of the Lame Horse .... and no one is involved with the Ministry of Emergencies ... supervision and administration ...
    5. smart ass
      smart ass 28 March 2018 20: 48
      +24
      Children burned alive and who is to blame? Security guard. When they build any shopping center, they put a couple of lyamas in the budget to pay for the “duties” of firefighters and the Ministry of Emergencies, and who is the guard. People became victims of corruption and sloppiness.
      1. Mimohod
        Mimohod 29 March 2018 11: 49
        0
        and if these are young scumbags brought up by our time, and TV, and even more the Internet and YouTube, without a homeland and a flag in their souls, they kindled a Chinese kebab liquid, which is akin to napalm and sold in a small package, just teenage cruel revenge, it’s for the version , so the accused expressed such a version ...
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 29 March 2018 16: 46
        0
        Quote: Clever man
        Children burned alive and who is to blame? Security guard. When they build any shopping center, they put a couple of lyamas in the budget to pay for the “duties” of firefighters and the Ministry of Emergencies, and who is the guard. People became victims of corruption and sloppiness.

        Well, yes, yes ... if someone is shot from a pistol, the gun manufacturer is to blame, but he didn’t shoot !!!
  2. 210ox
    210ox 28 March 2018 17: 44
    +3
    Interestingly, this Chopovets first escaped from there, or was there enough spirit to get someone out?
    1. Solomon Kane
      Solomon Kane 28 March 2018 18: 44
      +18
      Security guards piled first ...
      And if without emotion ...... again they will make the “switchmen”, the guard-cook, and not even the guard, but the watchman, an aunt not in the subject, etc. Of course, the degree of guilt of each will determine the court. But the main defendants will again remain "in the shadows." What about a guard? Panicked and ran, each has its own measure of courage and courage ....

      And yet .... today the voice of our childhood died -Oleg Onufriev .....
    2. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 28 March 2018 18: 46
      +29
      When citizens 25+ years old are hammered from school, that they are bright individuals, that they need to live for their own sake, then they will run in the forefront, without looking back at the laggards. I am not saying that everyone is like that, but there are more and more of them. Previously, there were a minority and it was a shame to scrub. Now it’s commonplace to transfer grandmother across the road is considered valor. I am very grateful to those who brought children and adults, low bow! Shame on those who escaped and abandoned in distress, those who could help!
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    4. vik669
      vik669 28 March 2018 20: 11
      0
      Judging by the interest of such a fool, they will not be taken to the PSC either and, characteristically, he is sure that he is “the people”.
    5. Trotil42
      Trotil42 29 March 2018 14: 19
      0
      HE with burns under a dropper ... of moderate severity ... of the respiratory tract .... and what do you not remember the cashier ... instructors of children's rooms ... administration of Cherries ... responsible for the old condition ... administration of the building .. .etc.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 28 March 2018 17: 54
    +40
    First of all, what are the “scapegoats for us?” Secondly, what about the presumption of innocence, why did the media give his name, thereby substituting his family, if he has one, or his parents, or even his relatives? Why now blow hypothesized information without verification and evidence, why splurge us? Or is everything clear to everyone, and this guard is now appointed the main villain? ??
    1. ancestors from Don
      ancestors from Don 28 March 2018 18: 15
      +1
      You know, it turns out that the PSC did not have a license, then it turns out that there was no instruction with the employee’s written familiarization or the same labor agreement, especially since the PSC is not responsible for the maintenance and repair of the warning system, although this guard is troubled if something worked the system on the 4th floor sends a signal in any way to the central post of the city’s fire department, finally compare its ringing time of 112 with the cameras about the start of the fire.
      1. goblin xnumx
        goblin xnumx 28 March 2018 20: 05
        +5
        it is unlikely that the signal goes to 112 automatically, I’m even sure that it doesn’t, and the current situation also leads people to be afraid to make a decision and double-check reinsurance - well, they’re wasting time ... although there are 2 sides of the coin ... - recently they wrote about an officer who held out with the decision to launch missiles and saved the world ...
        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 28 March 2018 22: 50
          +1
          Quote: Leshy74
          it is unlikely that the signal goes to 112 automatically - I'm even sure that it does not -

          I don’t know how in Kemerovo, but in Moscow ALL schools and kindergartens through the Sagittarius system were brought to the fire of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and at any time the calculation arrives (false, not false to the dispatchers do not care - children's institutions are a special category)
        2. free
          free 29 March 2018 08: 08
          +2
          Quote: Leshy74
          it is unlikely that the signal goes to 112 automatically, I’m even sure that it doesn’t, and the current situation also leads people to be afraid to make a decision and double-check reinsurance - well, they’re wasting time ... although there are 2 sides of the coin ... - recently they wrote about an officer who held out with the decision to launch missiles and saved the world ...

          An object with a massive stay of people!In theory, the signal should automatically go to the fire department!
          Instruction of the President of the Russian Federation dated November 13, 2009 No. PR-3021 - On the need to output a signal on the automatic fire alarm to the remote control of the state fire service "01" from objects with a large stay of people.
          The rules of the fire regime in the Russian Federation ”, approved by Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 25.04.2012 No. 390, clause 5, contain the following definition literally:“ at ... facilities that can hold 50 or more people at the same time, that is, with a large stay of people. ” Moreover, clause 1 of the RF PPR under the term “objects” defines not only territories, buildings, structures, but also premises of organizations and other objects (hereinafter referred to as objects). Thus, from the point of view of the PPR of the Russian Federation, the criterion for assessing the "mass" presence of people anywhere is the norm of 50 or more people, regardless of the area and functional purpose of the "object" itself
          1. Trotil42
            Trotil42 29 March 2018 14: 58
            0
            I agree with you ... but the system was disabled by the technician from the 19th day ... and you can’t hear the comments of the Ministry of Emergencies that they turned off .. why didn’t they react?
      2. Trotil42
        Trotil42 29 March 2018 14: 45
        0
        The private security company has a license ... the system did not work .. since it was turned off ... the system malfunction really was displayed on the Emergencies Ministry's panel from March 19 .. since it was displayed on the citywide console ... so the call went through 112 ... Sergey called ... when I saw by fire a video ...
  4. bk316
    bk316 28 March 2018 17: 57
    +15
    I watched a telly today at lunch.
    This Chopoved’s erysipelas is sitting with a brick and "I’m bleating it wasn’t to blame the bosses said." And by the face it is clear that he does not feel guilty.
    The manager, who also faces the mug, is sitting with a brick and bleats "I'm not to blame, I have ordered someone to protect him from the fire." And also in the face it is clear that he does not feel guilty.

    It’s immediately clear why exactly there it happened - they are all there - my hut from the edge will not answer for anything. It is irresponsibility that leads to such catastrophes, such bombs will pass by, and this is the FSB’s business to look for bombs. And a stranger’s child will be thrown into the cold at night, and you will die on the street from a heart attack — they will pass by.
    It is SO to get together in order to reach a critical mass and WAIT FOR TROUBLE.
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 28 March 2018 19: 51
      +13
      Perhaps these are to blame ... But first of all, it is necessary to punish the owner. We’ll plant one. forced to pay compensation to the victims - others will no longer save and hire smart, trained professionals who will not only monitor alarms and fire extinguishing means, but will also require tenants to comply with safety rules ... And if they are not fulfilled, they will drive out tenants (the owner has that's right) out. And not a business audit. Just responsibility - criminal and material for non-provision of security at the facility!
      Let this billionaire raise his “ass”, go from Australia and kneel in front of the Kemerovo citizens ... But he won’t come - all his property in the Russian Federation (temporarily) in bankruptcy management, all possible transactions for transferring to other persons to be recognized in advance as void. and rental payments - to the families of the deceased, etc. Will not come within a month - to nationalize everything ...
      1. bk316
        bk316 28 March 2018 20: 35
        +6
        But first of all, it is necessary to punish the owner

        Of course, the vertical owner - manager - responsible for the fire - performers
        Owner clearly, only how?
        He will not come.
    2. Trotil42
      Trotil42 29 March 2018 14: 48
      0
      You bleat yourself .... go fix it ... have you even seen her? Her technician came to repair ... as a result, turned off ... so that the brain did not soar ...
  5. Kosmotoga
    Kosmotoga 28 March 2018 18: 00
    +23
    The button did not work; emergency moves are open. Yes, are you completely stupid? !! well, the button broke down, even leave the doors open. Well, you didn’t give any chance to people. And everyone knew about the alarm. But the guard was just not on his shift, the schedule was so shift-shift. Instead, he could get another one. This is said to be silent so as not to lose work . The management takes signatures from the workers saying that they are familiar with the instructions. What gives then calmly blame them on it. Like I don’t know anything, I have a responsible employee, but he signed that he passed the exam and is responsible, and the employee ignored the manual fixing the alarm so you can’t prove it.
    The trade union does not work in the country, and in such cases it must protect the worker so that he is not afraid to demand what is required. In our company, only people open their mouths at the gate immediately, although they also hide a lot of things. Recently, they all signed a polls order not to disclose company secrets. Why is this? and so that they don’t grind too much. And for any reason they could immediately dismiss those who complain.
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 March 2018 18: 47
      +7
      Recently, they even signed a polls on non-disclosure of secrets of the enterprise.

      Do not worry if you disclose a violation of any legal act, such a signature as the order itself is legally void.

      And about your comment, the tact they did so. The manager nods to her subordinates, the Chopovets to the boss - PLANT BOTH
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 28 March 2018 20: 08
        +9
        Perhaps they are to blame. But to fix or install something, you need money. If you do not give them you will not do anything. This money should have been given by the owner. And ask him for a manager. It’s cheaper, of course, to take the signature from the employee that he is familiar with the instructions ...
        If the owner hired pozh. security of a person with a specialty, a pastry chef should be asked precisely from the owner, and not from this "scapegoat", who was taken to work for a penny, was silent, and then if he went to prison ...
        1. svd-xnumx
          svd-xnumx 28 March 2018 21: 41
          +1
          If the owner hired pozh. security of a person with a specialty, a confectioner must be asked precisely from the owner, and not from this "scapegoat", who was taken to work for a penny, was silent, and then if he went to prison ..
          It’s rare that someone is hired as a fire safety officer, worked in a rather large factory with almost two dozen glass melting furnaces, and then there was no special fire safety person. Usually, the head of a unit, section, or workshop is appointed responsible for fire safety. And he gets fines first. from fire inspectors for violations, and then the director of the plant. And this pastry chef might have been a canteen manager there and he was appointed responsible as the head of the "hottest workshop".
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 28 March 2018 19: 46
      +7
      Kosmotoga, do not believe it, with my hands the owner in the safe is my application for dismissal on my own without a date.
      1. bk316
        bk316 28 March 2018 20: 06
        +6
        Kosmotoga, do not believe it, with my hands the owner in the safe is my application for dismissal on my own without a date.

        Do you know that according to the code, if they try to fire you on a statement of my own free will then you simply write a statement that you changed your mind about quitting, a copy immediately to the labor one for the court.
        If anything, contact .... It’s good to have your own lawyers. bully
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 29 March 2018 01: 10
          +2
          Vladimir hi Vyacheslav works in the prosecutor’s office.
          If anything, contact .... It’s good to have your own lawyers.

          Cope, not the first time.
      2. Kosmotoga
        Kosmotoga 30 March 2018 08: 34
        0
        really believe in this work)) it's straight tin somehow. Horror. Hold on there))
    3. Winnie76
      Winnie76 28 March 2018 19: 57
      +3
      Quote: Kosmotoga
      The button did not work; emergency moves are open. Yes, are you completely stupid? !! Well, the button broke, leave at least the doors open.

      Emergency exits, as I understand it, were locked with ordinary locks. Clear pepper in the clutter of keys can not be found. Would be magnetic - automatically unlocked if the project is normally done.
      1. bk316
        bk316 28 March 2018 20: 09
        +6
        Well, also a secret to me. Magnetic can be pressed. Therefore, all duplicate the usual. Then, before the inspection (and the Ministry of Emergencies is obliged to warn about the inspection), the locks are opened. Immediately after - close.
        And after that they have the audacity to drive on inspectors.
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 28 March 2018 20: 28
          +1
          Quote: bk316
          Well, also a secret to me. Magnetic can be pressed. Therefore, all duplicate the usual. Then, before the inspection (and the Ministry of Emergencies is obliged to warn about the inspection), the locks are opened. Immediately after - close.
          And after that they have the audacity to drive on inspectors.

          Magnetic can be different, some can be pressed, some are not very. As for inspectors, I can only say obscene. Although I do not communicate with firefighters, only technical supervision and gas.
          1. bk316
            bk316 28 March 2018 20: 38
            +3
            Everybody puts a deshovu squeezed out at times. Then they also turn off when the power is turned off. We had to fence the whole system, so that they would work without electricity and turn off in case of fire.
    4. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 28 March 2018 20: 08
      +4
      leave the door wide open ??? - are you out of your mind? - but what about the threat of terrorism ??? and you will scream from the sofa, how could they leave the doors open ...
      1. bk316
        bk316 28 March 2018 20: 40
        +6
        Stop scoffing people died. All doors on escape routes should open without keys from the inside. And the terrorists are outside.
        1. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 28 March 2018 20: 46
          +1
          I don’t ernch- key here, without keys, right? - so anyone can open and let anyone in, right? and those who find out, will already be inside, or is there a means of scaring terrorists off the door? like mosquitoes? and by the way- ALL the outer doors of places with mass crowding should open out - so that at least the crowd could take them out when crushing ..- look around — all places of mass and not very people are having such doors? - and entrance doors to apartments? - why were they made opening inward before?
          1. bk316
            bk316 28 March 2018 20: 52
            +6
            If you want to make out the situation, let’s do it.
            Well, about the hall you do not need to explain that it was closed by lawlessness.
            And he is generally on the 4th floor.
            And about the doors at the fire exits, so they should open on a fire alarm and yes by the button as well. And no terrorists have yet to abolish this norm. Believe me, I’m sitting now and I’m watching such a button.
            1. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 28 March 2018 21: 05
              +3
              and they are in all centers on the upper floors, the economy is such, on the lower it is necessary to trade and the upper ones, to lure past the bargaining ranks .... but about safety and security, please :)- Shopping center Saturn- Chusovoy- taken from VK ...
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        1. bk316
          bk316 28 March 2018 18: 39
          +9
          At you communicate with respected people.
          Respect must be earned.
          And individuals offering to kill honored people, statesmen, people who saved dozens, hundreds of lives and were awarded the order "for personal courage" place under the shkonka (280 each) and not among respected people.
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            1. Mestny
              Mestny 28 March 2018 19: 59
              -1
              And I agree with him.
              But I think you’re guilty, certainly more guilty than Skvortsova and Bunkov (let the Kemerovo residents say for Tuleyev) - you need to be killed.

              Need to kill.
              Guilt is proven, it is obvious.
              1. assa67
                assa67 28 March 2018 20: 14
                +2
                with whom I agree? ... my opinion is you go to power, use all the benefits, but renounce the family, because they should not use it ....
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 28 March 2018 20: 59
                  +3
                  Colleagues, stop pointless accusations! Why blame each other if you were not there. There is no need to run ahead of the engine. negative
                  1. goblin xnumx
                    goblin xnumx 28 March 2018 21: 14
                    +3
                    all the more so since the steam engine continues on its way:) - March 26, a fire in a shopping center in Belgorod; today, a fire in St. Petersburg at a car dealership ...
                    1. Anti-Corr.
                      Anti-Corr. 28 March 2018 21: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Leshy74
                      Today, a fire in St. Petersburg at a car dealership ...

                      In St. Petersburg, the Hyundai salon burned out.
  7. Vard
    Vard 28 March 2018 18: 01
    +4
    It is necessary to introduce criminal punishment for leaving children without adult supervision ... at least there will be no mass death of children ...
    1. Kosmotoga
      Kosmotoga 28 March 2018 18: 05
      +6
      Germany provides for criminal liability for leaving a child under 14 years old, even for 10 minutes. In Russia, the parents who left the baby unattended on the playground almost never find themselves in the dock.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 18: 24
        +16
        Quote: Kosmotoga
        Germany provides for criminal liability for leaving a child up to 14 years of age, even for 10 minutes

        The idiocy is complete.
      2. Winnie76
        Winnie76 28 March 2018 20: 03
        +3
        Quote: Kosmotoga
        Germany provides for criminal liability for leaving a child under 14 years old, even for 10 minutes.

        I offer execution, let the child live in the orphanage. Wow there will look after him ...
    2. bk316
      bk316 28 March 2018 18: 15
      +10
      I don’t even know - I think it won’t help.
      In general, here at a time to fall into depression.
      There in Kemerovo there is simply chaos from officials to cashiers aunts, from movie theater owners to Chopovites.
      And here on VO nits without conscience use the case that would prick the power.
      Something for the first time in 10 years has become scary, not for itself for a child.
      1. Moore
        Moore 28 March 2018 18: 35
        +6
        Quote: bk316
        And here on VO nits without conscience use the case that would prick the power.

        Yeah ... the corpse-eaters crawled ...
      2. assa67
        assa67 28 March 2018 19: 29
        +5
        the owners, who are in Australia, who are in: nichutundia: guilty, the guards took it and burned it ... and from the 16th order of the PB did not work ... fine
      3. mari.inet
        mari.inet 29 March 2018 06: 59
        +2
        More and more inclined to the version of intentional arson. And here, a special cynicism is that the fire started from the children's zone, that many children died. It was as if everything had been designed for a surge of fear among Russian citizens for the safety of their children. And from here, and to the mass confrontation with power, there is a stone's throw, which is inflated in the information space.
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  9. Saasa.
    Saasa. 28 March 2018 18: 17
    +15
    Putin 5 term sat president ... and 6-th term began.
    And he says - sloppiness ....
    Yes it is. But why didn’t he do anything during the entire 5 term of the presidency, such as fighting universal corruption, starting with ministers, prosecutors, deputies?
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 28 March 2018 18: 24
      +16
      Quote: Saasa.
      Putin 5 term sat president ... and 6-th term began.
      And he says - sloppiness ....
      Yes it is. But why didn’t he do anything during the entire 5 term of the presidency, such as fighting universal corruption, starting with ministers, prosecutors, deputies?

      Putin himself had to personally build this complex and watch it?
      "It’s not bad to clean the garbage, but just do not need to litter.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 18: 33
        +14
        Quote: Deadush
        Putin himself had to personally build this complex and watch it?

        Of course not. But only Puchkov set about tax incentives, Putin was rightly indignant, “where does the tax incentive come from?”, And no one dared to correct that it was about supervisory incentives for which “it’s impossible to scam business.” And you think that such a stupidity?
        1. Dead duck
          Dead duck 28 March 2018 19: 03
          +4
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          about tax breaks,

          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Do you think such a stupidity?

          and stupidity and "hear the ring, but do not know where he is"
          such as "maratory" for unscheduled inspections, but no one canceled the standard scheduled ones ...
          as well as privileges for small business - it’s like tenants (of which there are lots), and not the whole complex ... request
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 19: 11
            +4
            Quote: Deadush
            no one canceled the standard planned ...

            Figures. Supervisory holidays for small businesses 2016-2018 - a ban on scheduled non-tax audits.
            1. Kosmotoga
              Kosmotoga 28 March 2018 19: 23
              +6
              Duc okay, a tax audit, but here is fire safety like different things, or not?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 19: 36
                +4
                Yeah. I am writing.
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                a ban on scheduled non-tax audits.

                Keyword - TAX. I mean fire safety, SES, what else ...
                1. Kosmotoga
                  Kosmotoga 28 March 2018 19: 48
                  +5
                  Well, judging by the silence and lowered eyes in response to the same question of President Puchkov, the Minister of Emergencies also did not know that these are different things
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 28 March 2018 19: 56
                    +4
                    So I’m talking about that. Stupidity is complete. In general, this meeting was disgusting to watch. Medicine chatted with obscure phrases, Tuleyev Raspadskaya remembered why, Puchkov ran into a teacher ... request
                2. Dead duck
                  Dead duck 28 March 2018 19: 55
                  +6
                  "4. Features of the organization and conduct of inspections in terms of the type, subject, grounds for conducting inspections, the timing and frequency of their conduct, notifications of unscheduled on-site inspections and coordination of unscheduled on-site inspections with prosecution authorities may be established by other federal laws when implementing the following types of state control (supervision):
                  17) federal state fire supervision;
                  18) state construction supervision; "
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 28 March 2018 21: 05
                    +3
                    I hope you do not fight? Wait for the results of the investigation, there are over 100 investigators working there. It’s too early to draw conclusions at the initial stage.
                    1. Dead duck
                      Dead duck 28 March 2018 21: 55
                      +2
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      I hope you do not fight? Wait for the results of the investigation, there are over 100 investigators working there. It’s too early to draw conclusions at the initial stage.

                      no, no laughing
      2. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 28 March 2018 18: 55
        +4
        Putin said: "We need to remove restrictions on the business as much as possible, to rid it of intrusive supervision and control." request
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 March 2018 19: 38
        +4
        himself personally
        When you write, yourself personally, Maybe then you will mature what he did personally, why do you love him?
        1. bk316
          bk316 28 March 2018 20: 15
          +4
          Greetings. The election campaign has already ended, but the truth is over.
          You (Zagrudinites) for some reason have presented your electorate with GDP.
          Therefore, what a useless nagging # it’s pathetic to prepare your candidate.
          I also want a choice repeat
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 28 March 2018 21: 57
            +3
            The election has already ended
            and what does the election campaign have to do with it, I just asked the deadly girl
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 22: 08
          +4
          Quote: Gardamir
          Maybe then you will mature what he did personally ...

          Oh Fifth Wheel laughing
      4. sabakina
        sabakina 28 March 2018 19: 50
        +5
        Yes, Vika, purely not where they clean, but where they do not litter.
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 28 March 2018 18: 26
      +9
      Quote: Saasa.
      Putin 5 term sat president ... and 6-th term began.

      Please kindly list 5 terms for years and especially about the 6th it is interesting to hear.
    3. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 28 March 2018 18: 35
      +3
      Quote: Saasa.
      Putin 5 term sat president ... and 6-th term began.
      And he says - sloppiness ....
      Yes it is. But why didn’t he do anything during the entire 5 term of the presidency, such as fighting universal corruption, starting with ministers, prosecutors, deputies?


      And to learn to write correctly, for starters, not fate ?!
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 28 March 2018 19: 02
        +3
        Quote: B.T.W.
        And to learn to write correctly, for starters, not fate ?!

        Google adnaka.
      2. Dead duck
        Dead duck 28 March 2018 19: 44
        +5
        Quote: B.T.W.
        Quote: Saasa.
        Putin 5 term sat president ... and 6-th term began.
        And he says - sloppiness ....
        Yes it is. But why didn’t he do anything during the entire 5 term of the presidency, such as fighting universal corruption, starting with ministers, prosecutors, deputies?


        And to learn to write correctly, for starters, not fate ?!

        He probably wanted to say that it’s time to go under amnesty and free will ... the sixth term shakes ... laughing
    4. mari.inet
      mari.inet 29 March 2018 06: 44
      +2
      Putin is fighting corruption, and even winning. But this front of the struggle is invisible. It is difficult to cite any facts.
      Corruption in Russia is not higher now, but perhaps even lower than in many prosperous countries. Do not skimp on the word "corruption." The peak of this phenomenon is far behind.
  10. Dead duck
    Dead duck 28 March 2018 18: 22
    +4
    fire alarm button defective

    but like the rest (of which there should be a mass scattered throughout the building)?
    it is no longer a button, but the system did not work ...
    as always, the sum of the factors has developed, although only because of one could tragedy also happen request
  11. PValery53
    PValery53 28 March 2018 18: 42
    +1
    Those responsible for the "organization" of the conditions for the mass death of people should be sentenced to life. And their family members, who reaped the fruits of their money-grubbing, lose all their previous incomes, luxury housing and all items of even minimal luxury.
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 March 2018 20: 28
      +3
      there is no such article in uk
  12. Alex
    Alex 28 March 2018 19: 09
    +21
    Ten years ago, as an employee of a private security company, I worked in a similar shopping and entertainment complex. And after reading a message about the tragedy in Kemerovo, I felt “deja vu.” After all, I saw it all with my own eyes. I worked as a shift supervisor for about two years, and all the violations that we wrote about at that time, even there was a fire (thank God without such tragic consequences). Of course, in this case, a private security officer is a switchman. The whole fire safety system does not work in the country. And something needs to be done with this. Here they write turned off the button. Yes, you understand that it’s not the private security company that is responsible for the functioning of the fire alarm. Just the remote control is installed in the duty room. And the alarm is constantly buggy. False alarms occur. The only thing that a private security company can do is write a note to the log and turn off the alarm system. The time I worked, there was such a situation. The emergency keys are not issued to the private security company, they are at the administration. Yes, and legally the private security company is not responsible for fire safety. A person should be appointed from the administration, which should conduct briefings, exercises, etc. with the staff. None of this was mentioned at all. In general, nothing will change at the state level so far. All fire-fighting measures have long been developed, but are not being implemented in full. Only strict control, serious punishment for violations regardless of the person will solve the problem. And all the talk about the Russian mentality is all nonsense. Remember at least the same seat belts, pedestrians at crossings. They also spoke of the mentality. Maybe at least this tragedy will push.
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    2. bk316
      bk316 28 March 2018 20: 24
      +9
      Nevermind, it’s written as a contract.
      At us, the private security company is obliged to check the response zone, determine the presence of fire, report to the remote control and take measures to extinguish before the firemen arrive. And he even has keys from the server.
      Private security company directly said either the console from the duty room or into the contract. Well, the events we have in full with the exercises on the scenarios with the debriefing. They even punished someone that they locked themselves from the inside and tried to sit out their anxiety.
      And the rest agrees control and punishment. I would only say CONTINUOUS control.
      And then without warning an inspection cannot be carried out, inspections cannot be carried out for a small business, and the punishments are ridiculous. Well, they complied with the instructions, and then again violated and again carried out the cola bast ...
      1. Sewer krainiy
        Sewer krainiy 29 March 2018 16: 48
        +2
        Our private security company is obliged to check the response zone, determine the presence of fire, report to the remote control and take measures to extinguish before the firemen arrive
        With us - only after hours. It is also incomprehensible ... check (on), ran to report (and there it is on), ran back, and there, you know, the security has nothing to do.
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 28 March 2018 19: 56
    +6
    Of course I don’t want to have such a sad day on such a tragic day, but in fact I can predict what the investigation will come out of. This ChOPovets with a director and a ticket agent will sit down. And in fact there should be a fire system and a common standard for it. Where there is no easier option, where there is a forced inclusion of sprinklers. It is interesting that this building is not equipped with cameras and the investigation is underway to interview victims, as it can be.
    It is necessary to break the system, officials and leaders should sit down, and switchmen will sit down.
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 March 2018 20: 26
      +4
      It is interesting that this building is not equipped with cameras

      Why not equipped? Witnesses say equipped, probably burned out.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 28 March 2018 20: 43
        0
        Quote: bk316
        Why not equipped? Witnesses say equipped, probably burned out.

        Can't determine the place and cause of fire in a room equipped with cameras? I correctly understood your version
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 20: 48
          +5
          Quote: APASUS
          Can't determine the place and cause of fire in a room equipped with cameras?

          Easy. If, along with the cameras, the recorder burned out too - just like two fingers.
          And then - how many cameras? where were you standing? where did you look?
          Cameras also do not see everything.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 28 March 2018 21: 37
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack

            Easy. If the recorder burned out along with the cameras, too - just like two fingers

            As a rule, in normal offices control units, the memory is duplicated, if the memory burned out (and such a wave is possible), then it turns out they saved in full
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            And then - how many cameras? where were you standing? where did you look?
            Cameras also do not see everything.

            I often visit such places. As a rule, the entire playground for children is viewed and done not out of love for children, but in order to cover up their own .. in which case (fall, injury, disappearance)
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 21: 58
              +4
              Quote: APASUS
              if the memory burned out (and such a wave is possible)

              Not a "memory", but a DVR.
              If you do not know what it is - look on the Internet, there are ... a lot of them.
              DVR usually not duplicated.
              Also, the DVR, as a rule, is in the same building as the cameras.
              Further easy wink
              Quote: APASUS
              they do this not out of love for children, but in order to cover up their jo .. in which case (fall, injury, disappearance)

              You are amazingly resourceful.
              By the way, in stores, for example, cameras are also placed not out of love for customers, but to prevent theft.
              And “covering your jo”, as you put it, has nothing to do with it.
              And there are always "dead zones", believe me.
              1. AndreyS
                AndreyS 28 March 2018 23: 41
                +1
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Not a "memory", but a DVR.
                If you do not know what it is - look on the Internet, there are ... a lot of them.
                The DVR, as a rule, is not duplicated.
                Also, the DVR, as a rule, is in the same building as the cameras.
                Further easy wink

                Do not carry nonsense! Video from surveillance cameras appeared a couple of hours after the fire, and right on this floor. This is even in Russia 24 showed. Secondly, I want to remind everyone who writes on this forum that the whole center did not burn out !!!!!! So the server room most likely remained intact, and even more so the hard drive that was recorded on! Here, by the way, is a link to the RenTV website http://ren.tv/novosti/2018-03-26/kamera-videonabl
                yudeniya-zafiksirovala-moment-vozniknoveniya-pozh
                ara-v-tc-v? page = 1 I advise you to pay attention when the article is posted.
        2. bk316
          bk316 28 March 2018 20: 56
          +4
          Well, sort of determined a place, you and all of us are somehow in a hurry.
          And then 100% overlap, even in banks, doesn’t happen in banks at nuclear power plants.
          Now I’m sitting at me 6 (SIX!) Cameras looking and next to the dead zone behind the safe.
    2. Kolesnikoff.dmitr
      Kolesnikoff.dmitr 28 March 2018 21: 34
      +6
      The sprinkler fire extinguishing system, in principle, cannot turn on forcibly. Until the bulb in the sprinkler bursts due to high temperature and the pressure in the line decreases, the bypass valve opens and when the valve is closed, the automation will prevent fire pumps from starting. finely dispersed water (water dust has a large penetrating and absorbing ability, less water consumption), which is started by force or automatically when smoke appears and extinguishes a fire at an early stage and also copes with smoke. And fire systems and standards are already quite harsh, and I think the results tragedies will be developed additional requirements taking into account the bitter experience. However, much rests on greed.
  14. serg999
    serg999 28 March 2018 20: 03
    +5
    Quote: Vard
    It is necessary to introduce criminal punishment for leaving children without adult supervision ... at least there will be no mass death of children ...

    This was still not enough ... Think first, then write ...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 28 March 2018 20: 37
      +10
      Quote: serg999
      This was still not enough ...

      So I also thought ... The children went to play football, or swim in the river - what should they be accompanied by someone?
      Patented delirium ...
  15. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 28 March 2018 20: 10
    +2
    You know, here some in reasoning got to Putin himself.
    But if some bastard hadn’t closed the cinema and in a panic had not run away saving her skin, there would have been fewer victims. From the open cinema, people came out and escaped.
  16. Bondik05
    Bondik05 28 March 2018 20: 11
    +7
    I’ll say banality, but the whole system needs to be changed. As Karl Marx said, the capitalist for the sake of profit and his mother will sell his mother, supervisors with his salary of 15 tr they take bribes because they want to not only eat, the laws are “sharpened” and invented to serve the interests of the oligarchy. A valiant prosecutor’s office can “bend” only budget employees of the lower echelon, they can only get serious at someone after a command from above, otherwise you can fly out of work. The result is monstrous, the saddest thing is that this tragedy is far from the first and (God forbid) not the last. The switchmen will be punished exponentially, the entire structure will be reported. And again in a circle ....
  17. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 28 March 2018 20: 22
    +11
    Quote: Ralex

    .... Just the remote control is installed in the duty room. And the alarm is constantly buggy. False alarms occur .....

    Alex, my respect. I confirm. Finally I read what I myself thought in the very first minutes of the accusations against those who turned off the alarm. I do not remove guilt from them in any way, but only if it (the guilt) is and will be proved by the court. From the point of view of a person who is not related to fire warning systems (alarms, although they are two different systems), it sounds wildly to turn off the fire alarm when it goes off. Let me clarify a little. Worked for about 3 years as an engineer in the Sports Palace. So: according to 2-3, triggering per day sometimes (not every day) happened. Reasons - from technical (80-90%) to sociological (children naughty). So the alarm went off and immediately evacuated the entire Palace? Let's say 1000 people? They will crush each other (and if injuries or worse?), Then they simply will not pay attention even to the siren. No, the loop leading to the trigger point is turned off and there immediately (each dot on the monitor under the number on the diagram) the duty officer runs to figure out what to do on the spot: there is a fire - evaluate the scale - it extinguishes or causes the Ministry of Emergencies (the signal is immediately duplicated) to the console of the nearest department, they are waiting for confirmation (honestly - I'm afraid to lie, I don’t remember small details)), if there is no fire - those. malfunction. The console most likely was on the 1 floor (very often so), there is the 4 floor. On the filled rooms. Acting as a lawyer? Nifiga. I want to understand. But: very often everything is duplicated and with the buttons (also under the numbers) a person comes up, breaks the glass - triggering the emergency button No. ... on the monitor. The button is there. Additional contour. Here I go to the most important thing (in my opinion). Who allowed the conversion of a building not intended for visiting by a large (huge) number of people in the mall? Why did the materials on the playground (!) Catch fire so that they could not be extinguished by the means that were there (if any). There were a lot of people there - 1-2 normal resolute man would be found 100%. They would extinguish, neigh with relief and move on. No - it blazed so that the spray flew (you don’t understand from the video - either metal from the wires from the short circuit, or plastic) The worst thing is plastic, chemistry, from which people simply gasped and lost consciousness, having no strength to go out. Locked doors in the cinema are generally beyond comprehension. At the very 3-e children, scary.
    The dead are sorry to tears: a blessed memory to them.
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 March 2018 20: 46
      +4
      In principle, write correctly, only look into the chopper’s eyes, he doesn’t even lower them - he doesn’t feel any guilt. And who introduced such a building into operation, I think they will find. Believe me, many will sit here. Here are just the owner, who somehow participated in this far ....
    2. Kolesnikoff.dmitr
      Kolesnikoff.dmitr 28 March 2018 22: 02
      +4
      I completely agree with you, but it is not a matter of who allowed the conversion of the building, but why the conversion and repair did not take into account the attendance and existing requirements for the shopping center (rather stringent) and why GosPozhNadzor accepted this center into operation (operation without before closing). The wiring is now unsupported burning, and the spray flew from the forbidden plastic, and the huge smoke and the speed of spread of fire is also plastic. It burns so that four men can not cope with fire extinguishers, and they will get poisoning 100%. Questions to the owners have been saved! And my opinion is that let 1000 people work out evacuation at least every other day (both sports and skills will develop, and organizational and technical issues they will solve it faster (they lose money)) than 1 will burn!
  18. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 28 March 2018 21: 15
    0
    Even if everything worked (a fire alarm and even water began to drip ..) After the ignition of the plastic, with which all our "cheap" and not only entertainment centers are equipped with mass ... Victims will be sure!
    Just light up what you equip your apartments .. take a few breaths and that’s all! You will have time to call an ambulance .. And in large establishments there is a carbon stove to kill everyone. Just look around, everywhere plastic is cheap and beautiful and terribly poisonous, when it suddenly starts to burn quickly and terribly smoke (I remember smoke stoves in childhood from chemistry)! THIS IS THE ENTIRE PROBLEM ... And firefighters, chemistry from hidden plastic pipes, will be put out for a long time with water and even foam .. (as far as I know, firefighters were poisoned there in full ammunition, such was poisonous smoke ..)
    1. Operator
      Operator 28 March 2018 21: 42
      0
      Everything is clear with plastic - tore it off, threw it away, solved the problem.

      There are problems with locks on the doors of emergency exits and glitches in the fire alarm system. The first is solved with the help of electric locks and their remote opening in case of fire, the second - with the help of the formation of a continuous field of view by video cameras.

      Damn, are there really so stupid employees in the Ministry for Emergencies that they can not write it in their normative documents?
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 28 March 2018 22: 14
        +1
        Quote: Operator
        Everything is clear with plastic - tore it off, threw it away, solved the problem.

        There are problems with locks on the doors of emergency exits and glitches in the fire alarm system. The first is solved with the help of electric locks and their remote opening in case of fire, the second - with the help of the formation of a continuous field of view by video cameras.

        Damn, are there really so stupid employees in the Ministry for Emergencies that they can not write it in their normative documents?

        Well, in the twin towers, I remember everything on the automation was (the same remote locks)))
        Locked jumped out of windows. And ALL burned and collapsed. angry . And camcorders everywhere .. Enough already to the west to navigate!
        Although it was not aesthetically pleasing in the USSR, fire safety shields with everything necessary (scrap, ax, sand, fire extinguisher) and simple were everywhere ... In the most prominent place they were painted with red paint ..! hi Now we have business, here the kids are on fire ...
        1. Operator
          Operator 28 March 2018 22: 23
          0
          Airliners crashed into the twin towers - such cases are taken into account in regulatory documents not of the fire service, but of construction supervision.
  19. sagitch
    sagitch 28 March 2018 21: 38
    +1
    Probably every parent needs to teach his children how to act in (God forbid) such situations. Up until they could break the walls, they are now almost everywhere from drywall.
  20. Cadet
    Cadet 28 March 2018 22: 11
    +1
    Good luck and health to you too))))))))))))
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 29 March 2018 02: 10
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      Accepted, Dmitry good Thank! I hope to see you on the forum more than once. hi
  21. Catfish
    Catfish 29 March 2018 02: 32
    +2
    Fearfully. The death of CHILDREN is scary! The death of any person is a tragedy. And the death of children is scary!

    And at least one of those in uniform who is responsible from top to bottom for the safety of people, at least one of them has resigned? Something is not heard.
    At one time there was such a thing as an Officer Honor. And people in uniform themselves condemned themselves to death and fired without waiting for the shame of the court. Do you think someone will shoot from THESE? Where are they, they even do not have enough for a report with a letter of resignation. How much can everyone get away with? Or is it all the way up to the next "Day of Mourning"? Do you know when this will happen again? And how can you be sure what will happen not with you, or not with your children? This can neither be forgiven nor forgotten !!!
  22. mari.inet
    mari.inet 29 March 2018 06: 30
    +2
    Since after the tragedy, the provocateurs began to raise people to a rally against the government ..
    Since after the tragedy in the Russian cyber space there was a high level of comments against the authorities .. That should include in the number of versions the deliberate arson of some immoral Ukrainian militants.
    If ordinary Ukrainian citizens probably empathize with the Kemerovo people, then Ukrainian militants are frostbitten guys. It seems that a lot of them hang out in hospitable Russia under the guise of "hard workers." They could have deliberately set fire to raise a “Russian rebellion” against the Russian authorities, which are so disagreeable to them and their Western patrons. Moreover, Kemerovo is a tasty Siberia, which the collective West wants to tear from Russia.
  23. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 29 March 2018 08: 57
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    Here he is the true cause of the fire! Atu him! The guard is to blame for everything! We also thought of showing power on the pumpkins!
  24. Moon rover xnumx
    Moon rover xnumx 29 March 2018 09: 12
    0
    Once again they found the extreme ... The owner should be responsible for everything, so that he would not try to delegate it to the "extreme" then the owner will have money for good equipment. Because then the owner will understand that in any situation to answer him. And it’s impossible to replace your ass with a stranger!
  25. Separ
    Separ 29 March 2018 12: 16
    +1
    Close all shopping centers and entertainments for an indefinite period of time in the country - until they bring the security system into proper form, until they equip fire emergency exits, until they replace the design of walls, walls, floors, etc. with non-combustible materials, until they replace the old guard guards with security guards from the Russian Guard.
    When the owners notice that they don’t have enough money for gasoline for yachts, they will figure it out quickly .. That’s briefly ... otherwise everything will remain unchanged.
    Py.Sy - for bribes of 25 years.