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US Navy: F-35C - fantastic plane, despite the flaws

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The U.S. Navy conducted the first qualification flights F-35C aboard the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72). A total of two deck squadrons aviation The U.S. Navy, as part of Lockheed Martin F-35C Joint Strike Fighter aircraft, completed day and night sorties, making 140 landings on the deck of a nuclear aircraft carrier in anticipation of operational tests of the F-35C starting this year.


US Navy: F-35C - fantastic plane, despite the flaws


It's great to see this plane in the same ranks with other aircraft. We have not done this before. Previously, all stages of the qualification tests on aircraft carriers performed only F-35
- Mixednews leads the words of Rear Admiral Dale Horan, Director of the Office of Integration F-35C

According to the statements of the American pilots who will fight on these machines in the future, the F-35C made a good first impression, despite the shortcomings

According to the publication, due to its low radar signature and sensors, the F-35C will play an increasingly important role on navy, as the Navy begins to focus on preparing for modern wars against Russia and China.

It is perfectly clear that this fighter is the future of the Navy for offensive combat operations.
- declared rear admiral
It will be a fantastic plane. As with any program, there are always difficulties in its implementation, but we are working on it. This is a very promising aircraft, and it will be great to see how it is being improved.
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  1. Azazelo
    Azazelo 28 March 2018 11: 20
    +12
    and do not hide, they are going to fight with us. And we are all partners ....
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 28 March 2018 11: 22
      +16
      Indeed, a "fantastic plane." Especially missiles on the external sling are very conducive to "invisibility."
      1. Logall
        Logall 28 March 2018 11: 34
        +2
        And the price is fantastic! Fantastically not comparable to the capabilities and quality of the product ...
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 28 March 2018 18: 33
        0
        And without them he is not capable of much. In his belly, he does not have much weapons.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 28 March 2018 20: 43
          0
          Well, so far not enough, but enough tomorrow, everything is changing. Raphael works ...
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 28 March 2018 11: 24
      +9
      as the Navy begins to focus on preparing for modern wars against Russia and China.

      Already hiding ears. negative
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 28 March 2018 11: 30
        +5
        Quote: vlad66
        Already hiding ears.

        Jackal - he is the jackal. And you can’t hide the inside of a jackal under any sheep’s skin.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 28 March 2018 12: 48
          +2
          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Jackal - he is the jackal. And you can’t hide the inside of a jackal under any sheep’s skin.

          Hello Pasha. hi
          Just yesterday I came across such a film ... not everything is correct there, but still ..
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 28 March 2018 12: 50
            +2
            Hi Andrew ! hi I copied the link to the video, I'll watch it at my leisure.
      2. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 28 March 2018 11: 31
        +2
        Please note that this is not a quote, but written by the author of the article (although the difference is only in the font and you can write anything, the paper will tolerate everything). Do not kindle ahead of time. In no case do I want to say that the states are not preparing, it’s just not written correctly ... (the author just did not subscribe)
        1. taiga2018
          taiga2018 28 March 2018 11: 42
          +3
          Quote: Zhelezyakin
          Do not kindle ahead of time.

          Well, where can we really fuel something, because NATO bases do not stand behind our “garden” in the Baltic states, the American missile defense system did not surround us almost along the entire perimeter of the border, American warships almost settled in the Black Sea, NATO reconnaissance aircraft they almost spend their days and nights at our borders ... no need to kindle ... begin to kindle when the enemy stands near Moscow, or when the whole territory of Russia is covered with radioactive ash ...
          1. Zhelezyakin
            Zhelezyakin 28 March 2018 13: 10
            +1
            Not about that, my remark. And what you described is obvious to everyone.
        2. Des10
          Des10 28 March 2018 12: 23
          +1
          Quote: Zhelezyakin
          (the author just did not subscribe)

          And it’s easier - as according to Raikin, there is no personal responsibility.
      3. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 28 March 2018 12: 44
        +4
        Quote: vlad66
        ..and don’t hide the earplugs. negative

        In fairness: the military, those who quietly did their job, and never hid the fact that the end of the Cold War did not change anything: the enemy, tasks, everything was as it was. About "love and friendship" is all the stories of politicians. Immediately after the collapse of the Union, they began to actively engage the 'former republics' in their activity: exercises, training of personnel: with a distant eye. Then, on specious pretexts, to involve in the implementation of specific programs: the airspace control program of Eastern European countries, closed to Western Europe, grew out of the Regional Airspace Initiative proposed by amers, aka RAI: ​​improving air traffic control, civil and military. Whoever didn’t need it was forced through politicians. Now we have integrated air defense right at our side.
        So from the side of the warrior - everything is fair, and politicians as politicians ..
        PS About the involvement of the country 404 in the RAI sounded last year ...
        1. NN52
          NN52 28 March 2018 13: 45
          +2
          Hobo, hello!

          Yeah, now we have what we have ..
          What do you think about F 35? How special.
          I’m kind of careful in judgments about this car, we don’t know much about it ....
          And he would not engage in hatred ...
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 28 March 2018 14: 20
            +6
            Gamarjob. They will bring it to mind and with all its shortcomings, it will become one of the most popular fighters. What is good for us: mediocre maneuverability, a very decent initial cost and high operating costs. But what’s bad: full political support for the capital hill; he has a very advanced breo and is fully integrated; its stealth characteristics cannot be discounted, even with suspensions it can cause trouble. And there will be a lot of them stupidly, the production rate is already high and scatter it wherever possible. Well, I would not discount the level of training of pilots, trained motivated.
            This is a task for those who plan: what, how and how much is needed to sleep peacefully. Well, how much is € $ ¥?
            1. NN52
              NN52 28 March 2018 14: 43
              +2
              Do you think at this cost, he will repeat the "feat" of F 16 in quantity?
              Although they say that the price will decrease with an increase in the series ..
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 28 March 2018 15: 39
                +4
                Quote: NN52
                Do you think at this cost, he will repeat the "feat" of F 16 in quantity?
                Although they say that the price will decrease with an increase in the series ..

                I think they will repeat that it will become the main combat aircraft of the “partners” and I’m sure that the price is not the most important thing. You see - the main thing is to wave America lol
              2. myobius59
                myobius59 28 March 2018 20: 25
                +4
                And then the PRICE? As Popandopulo said, in one film, "Take it, take it, I still DRAW"
                It is interesting to read when someone writes that something is expensive for amers. It is expensive for us, with our Central Bank. Rather, our Central Bank. They will not stop them in any way, they DRAW MONEY, and how much they need to draw, despite their astronomical public debt and the stupid assurances of various "experts" and "experts" that the stripes will go bankrupt soon.
                1. NN52
                  NN52 28 March 2018 20: 59
                  +2
                  myobius59

                  -Our-theirs Central Bank
                  You finally would have decided ... Where are the red, and where is the white, and where are you ...
                  1. myobius59
                    myobius59 29 March 2018 11: 30
                    +4
                    Well, I don’t know. I kind of clearly wrote that our Central Bank is more like them than ours. (Pun, as it were .. recourse )
                    And if you do not understand this. then ME then what is determined.?
                    I’m for OUR, only our Central Bank is not for us, but for them .. crying
                    Something like this .. Have you understood?
                    And who is the “red" here. and who are "white" - you know better. There is a good song, “There beyond the Volga,” or “Attack.” And the words in that song are such-
                    "With a wild cry of Hurray, yes for the truth on both sides.
                    Each RIGHT, but each has a TRUTH OWN ..... "
                    1. NN52
                      NN52 29 March 2018 12: 45
                      +1
                      You have good puns.
                      And the songs are good. recourse
                      1. myobius59
                        myobius59 29 March 2018 13: 08
                        +2
                        Thank you .. Glad you understood me. And the song is really good. Type "There, beyond the Volga. Chechnya," and listen. it’s true that it relates to Chechnya insofar as it’s just there in a different version. And in nature it is performed by V. Volkov. But I like exactly that second performance ..
            2. 11 black
              11 black 29 March 2018 06: 19
              +1
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              Gamarjob. They will bring it to mind and with all its shortcomings, it will become one of the most popular fighters. What is good for us: mediocre maneuverability, a very decent initial cost and high operating costs. But what’s bad: full political support for the capital hill; he has a very advanced breo and is fully integrated; its stealth characteristics cannot be discounted, even with suspensions it can cause trouble. And there will be a lot of them stupidly, the production rate is already high and scatter it wherever possible. Well, I would not discount the level of training of pilots, trained motivated.
              This is a task for those who plan: what, how and how much is needed to sleep peacefully. Well, how much is € $ ¥?

              All that is needed to kill him is ROFAR on our interceptor. With the advent of ROFAR, the so-called stealth will instantly lose their relevance, which is very good for us.
              Ps ROFAR is just around the corner
    3. vkl.47
      vkl.47 28 March 2018 11: 33
      0
      Nobody will praise himself, and whoever does not praise mayzown
      1. Alex-a832
        Alex-a832 28 March 2018 12: 43
        +2
        I liked the photo for the article - the unfinished "penguin" against the backdrop of the unfinished "iron" ... Already scary for the future ... unfinished states.
    4. gridasov
      gridasov 28 March 2018 11: 35
      +4
      They are not going, but already fighting. The preparatory stages for active action should already be seen as a war. And such signs are all there.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 28 March 2018 12: 50
        +1
        Quote: gridasov
        They are not going, but already fighting.

        And for a very long time ...
        Quote: gridasov
        The preparatory stages for active action should already be seen as a war.

        No ... this is not preparation, but military action. hi
    5. RL
      RL 28 March 2018 13: 15
      +2
      Stop, my friend. Where did you deign to read that their pilots are going to fight with Russia? Only in the comments of the Russian author of the article. Inflate, inflate for the domestic market.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 28 March 2018 13: 24
        +1
        I believe that this is not "bloating." There is a complex of features that fit into the development algorithms of situations. similar to how everything happened in the past. If it’s worth listing, then I think it’s generally worth stopping the discussion.
        In order to understand that you are being hit right now, there is no need to wait for a verbal warning about it.
  2. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 28 March 2018 11: 26
    +2
    How tired they were with their invisibility! In general, the combat capabilities of the F-35 are weak, but are they invisible to anyone? PR and justification for the colossal costs of this program. Well, nothing will put everything in its place.
    1. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 28 March 2018 11: 34
      +1
      I agree 100%! All this "invisibility" is a shadow on the wattle fence. It seems to me that our in Syria have already copied all the RL portraits. As Pinima Raptorovsky they should already have. And his EPR coefficient will be better than that of Lightning.
    2. Dead duck
      Dead duck 28 March 2018 13: 04
      +2
      Quote: Alexey-74
      How tired they were with their invisibility! In general, the combat capabilities of the F-35 are weak, but are they invisible to anyone? PR and justification for the colossal costs of this program. Well, nothing will put everything in its place.


      all invisibility under the wing laughing
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 28 March 2018 14: 32
        +6
        Quote: Deadush
        Quote: Alexey-74
        How tired they were with their invisibility.

        all invisibility under the wing laughing
        Do not underestimate the stealth technology, it is a pain in the neck that should not be forgotten. Even without pendants, no one guarantees complete invisibility, but the reduced detection range allows him to reach the borders of the use of weapons. Translated into Russian: they will be able to force the enemy to act in accordance with their battle plan. It is not necessary to consider gliders as fools, these guys are not in vain eating their bread. And believe me: the capabilities of their planners have gone far ahead / I first saw the 3D image of the planned airspace more than 20 years ago / and the Russian Federation in this issue as catching up, in which I sincerely wish them success, preferably asymmetric.
        1. Dead duck
          Dead duck 28 March 2018 14: 56
          +3
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          believe me: the possibilities of their planners have gone far ahead

          Like one of their plans, they already voiced: simple planes (F-18, F-14) illuminate targets and carry out jamming, and F-35 before them launch rockets request
          And about the tricky ... wisdom, Israel will give them a head start winked
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 28 March 2018 15: 01
            +4
            Quote: Deadush
            ..about the cunning ... wisdom Israel will give them a head start winked

            "Blow to the cauldron" say, this is the invention of Hel ha'Avir. It was the Israelis who contributed a lot to the air war. After their next victory, they counted, wept, and made a considerable leap in tactics.
    3. Shahno
      Shahno 28 March 2018 20: 52
      0
      And did someone come across this machine, especially in mixed squadrons with f 16? Especially with false goals in view of the UAV ... Interaction, pilot skill, control over the situation in the information field, explored? I will tell you, this is a breakthrough of the first line, which is actually hummus ...
  3. Cradle
    Cradle 28 March 2018 11: 27
    +1
    And we give them a dagger in a bochar ...
  4. DenZ
    DenZ 28 March 2018 11: 29
    0
    Well, yes, if not for the flaws would be fantastic.
  5. prior
    prior 28 March 2018 11: 29
    0
    And also the F-35s burn fantastically beautifully and sink fantastically beautifully, along with aircraft carriers.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 28 March 2018 11: 32
      +3
      This is when you can look at it?
      1. prior
        prior 28 March 2018 11: 35
        +1
        Gentlemen usually do not require evidence.
    2. vadim dok
      vadim dok 28 March 2018 12: 03
      +4
      You probably mixed up recessed aircraft from Kuznetsov?
  6. gridasov
    gridasov 28 March 2018 11: 33
    +1
    Rather, we can talk about the level of perception of the person who calls and perceives this as fiction. From my position, movers of a completely non-progressive design are used. If not to say that propulsion engines are completely inconsistent with the tasks and goals that can be set in front of combat vehicles.
    1. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 28 March 2018 11: 38
      +2
      Can you reveal your idea in more detail?
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 28 March 2018 12: 03
        +3
        If only for the simple ..
        Experts know that a turbine cannot be untwisted like an elementary screw above certain speeds. Negative factors are manifested in the dips of air pressure and ultimately in general the destruction of the blades. The whole reason is that iron, in the complex of its contacts with the elastic medium, forms physical changes both in this very medium, both in the flow material, and in the outflow surfaces and the whole body, in the form of an electric change. magnetic potential due to the ionization of these same surfaces. Therefore, if we consider everything as a dynamic system of interactions, then it is clear that with increasing flight speed and changing flight direction, not just loads arise. and the electromagnetic complex of all interactions changes. And the main reason is the fundamental part of any engine or is the rotor blades of the rotation. This is the whole snag. Increasing the air velocity increases the load. Therefore, simple technological changes in changing the shape of the blades, as well as their location, radically change the picture of the whole physical process on the blades of turbines and in the energy complex of all issues. I repeat once again that the algorithm of all successive stages of the physical process complex changes from air inlet to the device, energy transformation and redistribution in the base part, and flow output from the turbine. The evidence that modern aircraft turbines work in such a way that does not provide the full potential for the use and properties of an elastic medium and these design solutions is undeniable.
        New design changes fundamentally change the design of the aircraft engine. At the same time, they are not more complicated in technological production, but on the contrary significantly reduce the mass-dimensional parameters with an incredible increase in energy density in key stages of the process and engine. It is worth saying that the path to a “safe flight” lies precisely through the stage of creating and using a new design and a new process algorithm.
        1. Des10
          Des10 28 March 2018 12: 30
          0
          It is always interesting to read your comments and - sometimes even try to understand), if not even the scientific meaning, then at least the logic of a possible powerful electronic bot.
          How to solve a trick.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 28 March 2018 12: 36
            +2
            To some extent you are right. Then imagine how I can work with information of an absolutely anomalous nature. At the same time, comprehend the consequences of what has been said.
        2. AlexVas44
          AlexVas44 28 March 2018 12: 33
          +1
          Quote: gridasov
          If only for the simple ..

          Cool!!!! Especially this: "...Specialists know that a turbine cannot be ..." lol lol lol
        3. Zhelezyakin
          Zhelezyakin 28 March 2018 13: 20
          +1
          You are operating with "dark matter." What physical phenomenon are we talking about? When working WFD no
          Quote: gridasov
          email changes magnetic potential due to the ionization of these same surfaces.
          don't happen. Or their influence is negligible and they are not considered. Believe me, there are struggling for every hundredth of the effectiveness of the DG processes.
          The turbine and screw are the opposite units.
          Or is it the difficulty of translating from French, or I did not understand anything from your explanation ...
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 28 March 2018 22: 04
            +2
            I dare to note that you are a respected first who focused on this. That’s why I parry with the fact that this is the problem we have solved. We not only dramatically increased the degree of ionization of the discharge surface, but also isolated the centers of such ionization, and therefore, the turbine can simultaneously be a generator of an ultrahigh alternating magnetic field.
            The fact that they are unsuccessfully fighting for a fraction of a percent is already laudable. But there is no solution and will not be a solution with modern approaches. It is necessary in simple words to turn everything upside down. If you saw this decision you would understand that this expression is literal.
            I want to explain to you that the turbine and the propeller are really different in purpose, but the fundamental principles of organizing the processes are absolutely identical. I perfectly understood you in what you focused on the questions.
            I note that the solutions we used allow us to realize three fundamental tasks in one process and one device case. This is the possibility of converting the kinetic energy of the hydrodynamic flow into potential energy. Since we are not struggling with cavitation and sonoluminescent effects in the fluid flow, but rather activate them, we removed the “collapse” reactor zone beyond the limits of the outflow surfaces. Thus, it is possible to increase the temperature in the so-called combustion chamber by orders of magnitude, but also not to cool the discharge surfaces. So the device, in addition to the reactor and generator, can also be the mover with ultrahigh speed and the volume of pumped liquid or air.
            I don’t think translation difficulties have arisen. You are simply trying to imagine this device by associating its work with already known methods and processes. Alas, everything is radically different and there is nothing to associate the process with. At the same time, both the design and the process are technologically simple enough to reproduce, but the effects are radically different.
            1. NN52
              NN52 28 March 2018 22: 55
              +2
              gridasov

              Let me ask a question?
              And why on this site, VO?
              There are no engineers with design bureaus, especially from Perm engines, there are no alternative engine designers, there are no nuclear physicists ...
              Explain why you are here and what is your goal?
              It used to be tin to read, your thoughts in the text, now it has become more readable and accessible. It has become more interesting to read. Something has changed?

              I'm just curious...
              Can't satisfy my curiosity?
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 28 March 2018 23: 27
                +2
                I can . Potential clients for comprehending such anomalously complex material are people who have an expanded imagination potential. This means that these people must be familiar with the methods of integrated perception of various topics, but essentially similar material. That is exactly what the VO forum is about. It is worth considering that I also need to learn how to communicate with people who are different in reaction to my information. In general, the greater the diversity of perception and response, the more raw data for analysis. It is also worth adding that I myself discover how my presentation of the material is changing. It happens according to some algorithms. Of course I'm driving my game. Sorry, but the final goal is not defined by me. What can be perceived as a result will still be an intermediate stage.
                For all the topics I comment on, it’s worth highlighting the key one. This is a mathematical analysis of big data. If you notice, then I do not deny a single review, but moreover I try to re-read literally everything. In order to distinguish those that are not duplicated by their semantic content. And of course I work in other forums.
                In general, it seems to me that the work of the brain can be brought out by certain methods to a very high level of productivity. Personally, I deduced a certain mathematical "stencil" through which you can skip any topic of discussion, changing only terms and concepts. At the same time, the essence of the process is retained in any topics discussed. In all this it is very important to stay on the border between craziness and inadequacy in the presentation of my thoughts, which I can allow myself and sanity, which are thus perceived by others.
                There is such an expression as “games of the mind”, but few people talk about the levels of what can be written in this concept and where this game ends.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 29 March 2018 00: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: gridasov
                  I can . Potential customers for comprehending such anomalously complex material are people who have enhanced potential.
                  Quote: NN52

                  Two hundred and fifty we don’t understand, we were usually interested that IT rotates and gives out traction.
                  Gridasov This is for you, at a slightly different level, we are practicing - it’s for us the OREs forward backward, and so that ...
              2. Zhelezyakin
                Zhelezyakin 29 March 2018 10: 10
                +3
                Quote: NN52
                There are no engineers with KB

                You are mistaken, there is ...
                1. NN52
                  NN52 29 March 2018 10: 22
                  +3
                  Zhelezyakin

                  Sorry, I didn’t know ...
                  My respect to you ..
                  1. Zhelezyakin
                    Zhelezyakin 29 March 2018 10: 41
                    +3
                    Not scary, Dmitry;) Not with KB yet, but I'm still in the industry
                    hi
            2. Zhelezyakin
              Zhelezyakin 29 March 2018 10: 41
              +2
              So, let's eat the elephant in parts. Kindly satisfy my curiosity ...
              Quote: gridasov
              You are a respected first who focused on this. That’s why I parry with the fact that we solved this very problem

              - Very flattered, but specify what problem you solved?
              Quote: gridasov
              We have not just dramatically increased the degree of ionization of the surface of the outflow

              - Please, give a definition of what you mean by the surface of the expiration.
              Quote: gridasov
              therefore turbine

              - Why a turbine, not a compressor?
              Quote: gridasov
              That which is unsuccessful

              - I did not say that to no avail)))
              Quote: gridasov
              If you saw this decision you would understand that this expression is literal.

              - I would gladly get acquainted;)
              Quote: gridasov
              I want to explain to you that the turbine and the propeller are really different in purpose, but the fundamental principles of organizing the processes are absolutely identical.

              - Do not waste time on this, I am well acquainted with the processes in the WFD and the principles of the yoke of work, let's continue ...
              Quote: gridasov
              This is the possibility of converting the kinetic energy of the hydrodynamic flow into potential energy. Since we are not fighting cavitation

              - Excuse me, but I could not resist and I have to correct you, GAS-DYNAMIC flow. There can be no cavitation in the GAS tract of the engine (unless of course you do not mean the pipes of the fuel lines and the oil in the transmission, but this, as I understand it, is not about that).
              Quote: gridasov
              Since we do not fight cavitation and sonoluminescent effects in the fluid flow

              - or about that? What kind of fluid are you talking about?
              Quote: gridasov
              Thus, it is possible to increase the temperature in the so-called combustion chamber by orders of magnitude, but also not to cool the discharge surfaces.

              - No problem - increase the temperature in KC. The stoichiometric temperature of combustion of aviation kerasin is about 2300K, at the moment engines are already flying where the temperature of combustion in the compressor station has exceeded 2000K. Thus, by an order, alas, it will not work, especially by orders of magnitude ...

              Yours!
              Alexey
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 29 March 2018 11: 03
                +2
                Fine! So let's begin. Of course it would be much more understandable if we could give explanations firsthand. But try verbally.
                The problems solved in our design are reduced to the main thing, that having in the external environment in which our device is located in the form of an engine-mover, it can use the properties of this elastic medium in the form of kinetic energy of flows, which transform a linear vector of flows (any gas-dynamic and hydrodynamic) due to the force transmitted through contact with the surfaces of the expiration of the blades (propellers, screws, impellers and turbine blades) and allow you to transform
                1. Zhelezyakin
                  Zhelezyakin 29 March 2018 11: 26
                  +2
                  No no no! So no good! You, at the moment, have a clear problem with the presentation of the material, and more precisely with the coherence of information in the proposals. Let's do this, for example:
                  - the problem is (let's say) high high-pressure losses when flowing around the aerodynamic profile of a turbine blade, or compressor.
                  - decision - etc.
                  And then, you do not get "mind games", but stupid chatter at a near-scientific level, excuse me for being straightforward!
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 29 March 2018 15: 36
                    +1
                    To some extent, I agree with you. But you underestimate the complexity of the fact that I have to describe physical processes at the level of magnetic effects, and you are considering this at the level of gas dynamics. Therefore, I very often have to clarify terms and concepts that you do not use. Therefore, if it is easier to say, then you have the dimension of the length of the scapula across the flow vector, and y on along the scapula. You have a centrifugal process of rotor rotation carries the flow to the periphery and you get the unused potential of the kinetic energy of the flow, and we have all the energy sold on the blade. In your profile, pressure drops on the profile destroy the corresponding places on the blade in the aquatic environment by cavitation, and we are not and cannot be at the core.
                    1. gridasov
                      gridasov 29 March 2018 15: 38
                      +1
                      Our turbine has a supporting flow at all stages, and you only strive for this and never. With such approaches, you will not find a solution
                    2. Zhelezyakin
                      Zhelezyakin 29 March 2018 16: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: gridasov
                      You underestimate the complexity of having to describe physical processes at the level of magnetic effects.

                      - Magnetic effects are also physical processes. What is the difficulty of describing them?
                      Quote: gridasov
                      to put it more simply, you have the dimension of the length of the scapula across the flow vector, and y is along the scapula.

                      - all over the world, they have long been using three-dimensional optimization of flow around blade machines. And the axial chord (if you had it in mind) is far from the only parameter that determines the final shape of the crown. Somehow you simplify everything ...
                      Quote: gridasov
                      You have the centrifugal process of rotation of the rotor carries the flow to the periphery and you get the unused potential of the kinetic energy of the flow, and with us all the energy is realized on the blade.

                      - No no. You are confused. Indeed, in the field of centrifugal forces, there is a movement of a part of the flow to the periphery, however, the loading of the blade feather occurs over its entire height.
                      Quote: gridasov
                      Your pressure drops on the profile are destroyed, for example, for clarity, in the aquatic environment by cavitation, the corresponding places on the scapula, but we do not have this and cannot be the basis.

                      “You have completely confused the soft with the warm.” The main factors affecting the reliability and durability of a turbine are central heating systems, heat, cycles, and gas exposure (erosion). The latter for aircraft, military engines, such as the F-35 has the least impact, due to the relatively small resource, compared with the ground subjects. Yes, and there they have long learned to solve this issue.
                      1. gridasov
                        gridasov 29 March 2018 16: 54
                        +1
                        I'll start with the last quote. It is true that solutions are found and this is logical. However, there are no developing processes to achieve higher flow rates with an increase in their total capacity. There is no concentration of the flow and as a result the fuel is used, and not the potential energy of the flow. Therefore, you are talking about a potentially relatively low interaction. I consider radically higher potential physical processes. And that means that what you note as insignificant physical effects can and will develop into dominant ones.
                        I have not confused soft
                        warm because we are building a mathematical description and solutions in the transformation algorithm. And for you, it’s just a laminar flow and then turbulent. And where is the understanding of the causes of the transitional stages. Or do you think that there are no water vapors in the air that, at hyperspeeds, form the same phenomena as in the water? I understand that these are different environments for you, but for me they are algorithmically related environments and they differ only in the flow velocity .
                        In the matter of understanding the essence of centrifugal processes, you generally shock me. I will explain simply. If the speed of the rotation axis tends to zero, the flow rate is maximized as at the input to the device, and at the periphery it reaches, for example, transonic (do not confuse what is the flow velocity and rotation speed of the blade, then we have an ultrahigh EMF in the metal of the blade and at the same time we compress the flow in this part, what we get. We get reverse polarization, which prevents the ultra-high EMF from creating the effects of thermoelectronic emission of the blade metal. This means that we can actually achieve radically higher rotor speeds without the risk of destruction That is, we solve the problem of both increasing the radius and increasing the rotation speed, which means we can increase the traction effects of the rejection of the masses, but also at the suction. I would like to hear for yourself how you see the unity of the essence of the processes, for example, in the Rank Tube, Griggs devices or detonation, ion and pulse engines.If you do not see this unity of the essence of the processes, then my explained Iya do not make sense. And the last one. You work with three-dimensionality, and I work with four-dimensionality divided by symmetry. This allows us to consider everything as a polarization, not of binary order, but multipolar.
              2. gridasov
                gridasov 29 March 2018 11: 46
                +1
                I don’t even know how to answer so many specific questions. You must understand, and I understand that very much. that the level of secrecy of my material may have the highest possible degree. Why? Because outlining specific and feasible, and not fantastic ideas, on the specific topics of aircraft engines, I will touch on the topic of energy in one way or another. These are nuclear reactors, these are wind and hydro turbines and everything else that is associated with the conversion of energy from air or water. However, the presentation will also affect the creation of electric machines on principles that are not applied, but which open up a real future into the future. But the main thing is that you have to show new methods of analysis of complex physical processes. With all this, I will certainly try to answer as much as reasonably possible for your every question.
        4. myobius59
          myobius59 28 March 2018 20: 39
          +3
          Dear, YOU ARE EARLIER HERE APPEARED. In any of our research institutes, not only ours, related to engine building, you will be counted, to put it mildly, a little out of your mind.
          As they usually say in this case, you are ahead of events for many decades, and maybe more. It is clear that the principle of movement carried out with the help of modern engines is a dead end, but the current science is not yet ready for a revolution in this matter.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 28 March 2018 22: 10
            +2
            As I understand it, you are contacting me. And you are absolutely right. Therefore, I very calmly set out the material in moderation and for my pleasure. Revolutionary decisions have always been taken, if not with hostility, then with indifference. But it also depresses me a little.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 29 March 2018 01: 16
              +4
              Quote: gridasov
              .. then with indifference. But it also depresses me a little.
              Not no, I do not agree with this. But what about moving forward, who will be chopped? Practitioners are "a shit", but we need those who will push the standards. You, forget your indifference - you need to chop, on the bright side
              1. NN52
                NN52 29 March 2018 09: 56
                +2
                Pete mitchell

                Wash it on the light and on the black side .... Hence the indignant indifferent pleasure ..
                And which side, in principle, he won’t take ... Chopping will provide us with this pleasure ,,,
                1. gridasov
                  gridasov 29 March 2018 10: 55
                  +1
                  all right. Chaos and fluctuations is just a stage before stabilization within the framework of external forces and potential. Therefore, I am still on the white side. Then there is a direction vector. And besides, it would be interesting to really cut with the worthy.
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 March 2018 11: 37
    +4
    The US Navy plans that in the first stage, each aircraft carrier will
    1/3 F-35S and 2/3 Super-Hornets. Working together, each type will have different
    roles in strike and air operations.
    Then gradually F-35 will replace F-18.
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 28 March 2018 11: 38
    +2
    Is anyone arguing? Of course fantastic. Sheer Hollywood, a mixture of Superman and the invisible man suffering from Metorism. Awesome fiction! Like children, by golly. Ooh, we have what we have and it’s not scary, no it’s not scary, well, it’s not scary at all. I am invisible and I will defeat everyone! Either they frighten us (bad job), or they reassure ourselves.
  9. Izotovp
    Izotovp 28 March 2018 11: 41
    +2
    And with whom should he announce the use of such expensive equipment ?! Not with Syria. Enough is simpler there. And there are a couple of questions for our fools: try tracking this plane above the surface of the sea. And one more thing: how many sorties were flown from our incomparable Kuzi? And they are undergoing planned combat work. And they are not making a global event. And they are preparing to block China in Southeast Asia and Africa. And we have to annex Kaliningrad and the Kuril Islands and ensure the penetration of Islamic democracy in a southerly direction.
    1. lance
      lance 28 March 2018 11: 51
      0
      and all this thanks only to the "penguin"! Comrade, you are not the last hero from a fairy tale?
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 28 March 2018 11: 58
        +2
        But is it said somewhere that only thanks to him?
  10. Ingvar0401
    Ingvar0401 28 March 2018 11: 45
    +3
    But what about the take-off of the F-35 pilots already ceased fantastically beautiful to beat helmets on caps?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 28 March 2018 11: 52
      +4
      Yes. It was necessary to change the configuration of the catapults. The empty F-35
      (without bombs and with incomplete fuel)
      the catapult was too strong. Set up catapults and
      this (training) mode.
      1. lance
        lance 28 March 2018 12: 05
        0
        and what is now under each f35 and f18 aircraft catapult (or two of them each one at a time?) to rebuild?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 28 March 2018 12: 11
          +3
          The catapult is configured separately for any type of aircraft.
          and its weight. But not manually, before each take-off, but a software change:
          case1, case2 etc
          Why go to electro-catapults? There the setting is more
          flexible, you can create mild optimal modes that improve pilot health
          (Each separation from the catapult is a “blow” to the spine and neck.)
          1. lance
            lance 28 March 2018 12: 31
            0
            probably missed something. electromagnetic catapults earned on a new aircraft carrier? as for steam, it took almost an hour to rebuild it as an air reconnaissance aircraft.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 28 March 2018 12: 47
              +3
              Was there any particular problem?
              The electo-catapult began to drive on Ford since last summer.
              On 28 July 2017, Lt. Cmdr. Jamie "Coach" Struck of Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23 (VX-23) performed the first arrested landing and catapult launch from Gerald R. Ford in an F / A-18F Super Hornet
              The first Ford is already with the sailors, two more are under construction.

              "it took almost an hour to rebuild it as an air reconnaissance aircraft." ////

              There are other wheels, which means other pads, you won’t get off with one software.
  11. lance
    lance 28 March 2018 11: 47
    +3
    the penguin is not just a fantastic plane, but a fabulous one. and fairy tales about him more and more ....
  12. Egorovich
    Egorovich 28 March 2018 11: 57
    +2
    And fe-35 fantastically pecking birds, as in Israel. Each fe-35 has its own crow, fly bye. wassat
  13. sir_obs
    sir_obs 28 March 2018 12: 03
    +1
    According to the statements of the American pilots who will fight on these machines in the future, the F-35C made a good first impression, despite the shortcomings


    As usual, in the second and other impressions, the existing shortcomings will be more and more obvious and everything will become not so fantastic.
  14. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 28 March 2018 12: 17
    +1
    I recall the saying: Each .... own .... praises!
  15. Vanek
    Vanek 28 March 2018 12: 17
    +3
    So the guy is not bad. Only pisses and deaf. *
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 March 2018 12: 18
    +1
    A man in such a place - what can he say something else? Like, guys, we got a monstrous get along for fucking money ... laughing This is generally impossible. We will see the result only after a few years ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 28 March 2018 12: 38
      +2
      The aircraft will be finalized, the system \ application concept will be created. what will be the end result \ efficiency, we will see. At the very least, an air defense system needs to be prepared, but the concept of an attack, taking into account the new conditions, needs to be developed.
      Everything is interconnected, constant rivalry of who - whom!
  17. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 28 March 2018 12: 28
    +1
    It will be a fantastic plane.

    When they have it will be normal already in the DPRK, the 5th generation will appear and even better fu. laughing
  18. AKsvlad047
    AKsvlad047 28 March 2018 12: 28
    0
    It’s necessary to put your SU-57 faster on the wing, otherwise they dragged on its fine-tuning
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 28 March 2018 13: 34
      +1
      In addition to everything, and above all, it is necessary to revise the theory of the wing and cone. To transfer everything from the level of analysis as hydro-gas-dynamic processes to the level of interaction of magnetic force processes. Then the current problematic issues of the development of aircraft engines will become obvious. The possibility of developing fundamentally new ones will appear. In this case, I’m not afraid to talk about the fundamentality of new solutions, since physical processes are really with completely different resulting
  19. Slovak
    Slovak 28 March 2018 13: 17
    +1
    In the clinic, my tests were also evaluated, outwardly chic, but the content was ...
  20. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 28 March 2018 13: 45
    +2
    I read the headline - I immediately remembered the advertisement. It was thought: "Dad, is F-35 a plane? -No, son. It's fantastic." laughing
  21. nikolaev
    nikolaev 28 March 2018 13: 56
    0
    F - 35C - a fantastic aircraft. When he disappears from the radar, for many years no one can find him.
  22. afrikanez
    afrikanez 28 March 2018 14: 22
    0
    Even by definition, the F-35 cannot be a fantastic airplane that has flaws. As Shipunov said, about the air gun, ZERO bounce !. On this plane, this is a long way off. as to the North Star! It’s just that someone really wants to believe it and make others believe it.
    1. zivXP
      zivXP 28 March 2018 16: 26
      0
      Business, nothing personal.
  23. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 28 March 2018 19: 57
    +1
    It will be a fantastic plane
    Nevertheless, the United States is thinking of cutting its purchases by 30% ...
  24. gridasov
    gridasov 29 March 2018 13: 50
    +1
    Quote: Zhelezyakin
    Why a turbine, not a compressor?

    Absolutely correctly you celebrate !!! It always surprises me that you and others are much smarter and possess deeper knowledge, but do not see the obvious. Compression processes must be carried out in a centrifugal process, and not in a linear and a set of rotor stages. And here mathematics or, more precisely, geometry expressed by a number comes up. Namely, what shape of the blade should be so that it can carry out and shape this process of flow compression in the centrifugal vector and at the same time this blade is functionally inducing EMF. Then we are able to repolarize the blade and thereby reduce EMF. After all, what destroys the shoulder blade. No, not temperature! The blade is destroyed by magnetic variable flows causing this temperature as a result. So using a model and an instrument in the form of magnetic force interactions, we can see that ionization processes can compensate for the centrifugal processes that cause EMF in the blades. That is why I say that when we speak of a new type of aircraft turbine and operating principle, we are also talking about a nuclear reactor without radioactive elements. Because we get the effect of directional ultra-high EMF, and not as in the radioactive materials scattered radial radiation. Moreover, all this is not ativized by external influences, but by our own processes in the material and the blades and the transformations of potential energy in the elastic flow of air or water.
    1. Zhelezyakin
      Zhelezyakin 29 March 2018 17: 17
      +1
      Quote: gridasov
      Compression processes must be carried out in a centrifugal process, and not in a linear and a set of rotor stages.

      Well, it’s debatable, centrifugal compressors have been known for a very long time, but they are used in small machines. One limitation is size. The greater the compression ratio of such a compressor, the greater its midship.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 29 March 2018 19: 56
        +1
        This is debatable for you, but it is obvious to me that accelerating a stream from zero to transonic speed at such a small distance in a centrifugal process cannot be repeated in any other way. Even in a simple electric machine, if you rotate induction coils, the efficiency of such a device is orders of magnitude higher. In our device, the blades are such induction, but not coils but solid elements. Therefore, if you understood why the tips of the helicopter blades glow, then you would understand everything. Therefore, all the best and stop the discussion.
  25. Zhelezyakin
    Zhelezyakin 29 March 2018 17: 12
    +1
    gridasov,
    Alas, I can’t support further conversation due to the fact that I don’t see the picture, what you see ((
  26. Season
    Season 29 March 2018 17: 16
    +1
    What what, but they know how to PR themselves.
  27. Dart
    Dart 29 March 2018 22: 42
    0
    you will not praise yourself, no one will praise ... admiral.
  28. Oleg Salov
    Oleg Salov 30 March 2018 04: 08
    0
    And it’s even healthier to watch them burn and we will see this soon too.
  29. Ivan Vasiliev
    Ivan Vasiliev April 6 2018 13: 59
    0
    And the losses will be immediately dozens of aircraft in the defeat of an aircraft carrier. Do not fight with the Papuans. The life of an aircraft carrier, like the life of a tank, is short.