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The investigation into the crash of the Tu-154 Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation has been extended again

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RIA News referring to an unnamed source “close to the investigation,” reports that investigative measures in the case of the crash of the Tu-154 aircraft of the Russian Ministry of Defense in the Sochi region have been extended. The new deadline for the investigation is before July 25.


From the material:
The criminal case about the military crash of the Tu-25 near Sochi, initiated by 2016 on December 154, is still under investigation by investigators. The term of the investigation has been extended for four months - until July 25 of the year 2018.


The investigation into the crash of the Tu-154 Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation has been extended again


Reported causes of the extension of the investigation. The source of the news agency states that they have taken this step due to the fact that a large number of examinations are being carried out, many of which are far from completion at the moment.

The plane of the Russian Ministry of Defense kept the course from the Moscow region to the Khmeimim airbase (Syria). He was supposed to carry out refueling at the airport of Vladikavkaz, however, due to adverse weather conditions, he landed in Adler. After takeoff, the plane did not have time to reach the proper height and fell into the sea a few hundred meters from the coast. All 92 people, including crew members, died.

Recall that earlier it was stated that one of the pilots had lost spatial orientation, being (quote) “in the power of somatogravitational illusions” (one of the manifestations is disregard of the instrument readings). This version is not officially confirmed.
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  1. Titsen
    Titsen 28 March 2018 07: 07
    +3
    They don’t know what to say, here they pull ...

    I must say the truth!
    1. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 28 March 2018 07: 28
      +6
      Quote: Titsen
      I must say the truth!

      and if they still do not know it 100%?
      yesterday they demanded to say "the truth!" about 300-500 dead in Kemerovo. It turned out - this is the blatant lie of a bl ... oh creature.
      1. Angel_and_Demon
        Angel_and_Demon 28 March 2018 07: 37
        +4
        Quote: K0
        and if they still do not know it 100%?

        arrogant Saxons have already told the truth, only they have no evidence, so do not pay attention to these statements
      2. novel66
        novel66 28 March 2018 07: 41
        +4
        the investigation has been ongoing for more than a year. what other expertise do they lack? the truth is, but apparently they hide it, as with the death of Gagarin was
      3. gippernano
        gippernano 28 March 2018 14: 13
        0
        It is not ruled out in the principle that our equipment may cause such malfunctions that there was sloppiness and frank indifference, but I don’t remember that they shut up like that, what kind of general was there that someone Putin couldn’t put in?
    2. Berkut154
      Berkut154 28 March 2018 07: 29
      +5
      What truth do you want? That a perfectly serviceable plane crashed after takeoff and the crew was out of work?
      1. gippernano
        gippernano 28 March 2018 14: 15
        0
        Not just fell, but took with him a group of world-famous people. Who really knows? where was poland at that moment? eg
    3. demo
      demo 28 March 2018 09: 10
      +2
      The TRUTH can be very unpleasant. Therefore, we decided to pull as much as possible. And then - the grass does not grow.
      Vile.
      1. gippernano
        gippernano 28 March 2018 14: 17
        0
        Like we ourselves screwed up and don't recognize? Yes, you tell such tales in Poland
    4. gippernano
      gippernano 28 March 2018 14: 09
      0
      And the truth is always simple, dosvidos London
  2. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 28 March 2018 07: 40
    +2
    Quote: Titsen
    They don’t know what to say, here they pull ...

    I must say the truth!

    This is a normal practice, extending the investigation period in complex cases, even for the simplest theft, it happens that the period is extended, for example, if a psychiatric examination is necessary, it often turns out to be more than 2 months, and in this case it is extended for a month, and then such a disaster. ..
    1. demo
      demo 28 March 2018 09: 16
      +4
      My wife's own uncle, the Kingdom of Heaven to him, worked in the USSR as the Main Register of Civil Aviation.
      He always had some kind of flight accident in production every day.
      The country was huge. Not like today's Russia. And planes flew 10 times more.
      And the consideration of such incidents took 1 month. Rarely when 2. It is from his words.
      And Ivan Kiropovich was an extremely correct person in his definitions.
      But to look at the cogs under a microscope for years - that was not the case.
      The regulatory authorities would be turned inside out for this. For the first time. And there wouldn't be a second time. They would be dismissed as a professional unfit.
      1. gippernano
        gippernano 28 March 2018 14: 19
        0
        And times are different. Who viewed the London trail? Why not? recruited can sit there? so don't
  3. konstantin68
    konstantin68 28 March 2018 09: 04
    +1
    Quote: Berkut154
    What truth do you want? That a perfectly serviceable plane crashed after takeoff and the crew was out of work?

    I think they don't want to "hang" the blame on the pilots, but they really don't know the reasons. Anything could happen there.
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 28 March 2018 09: 19
      +4
      And here you don't need to hang anything. The Commander of the ship is responsible for everything that happens on board the ship !! Further, the degree of guilt of each individual member of the crew is proved. But to figure out what led to such actions that led to the catastrophe of the Armed Forces should be very carefully. She slowly and persistently began to prepare herself on the ground.
    2. gippernano
      gippernano 28 March 2018 14: 20
      0
      and they say we do not know, we are trying to understand why it was necessary to bring such a thing on the anniversary of Putin's election?
  4. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 28 March 2018 09: 05
    0
    Uh-uh .... "it's not casual ...."
    1. johnik
      johnik 28 March 2018 09: 39
      +1

      After the disaster, I somehow noticed that the Security Council at the airport (in Simferopol) began to inspect the personnel going into the inner zone and more carefully!
  5. shuravi
    shuravi 28 March 2018 09: 28
    +3
    Quote: novel xnumx
    the investigation has been ongoing for more than a year. what other expertise do they lack? the truth is, but apparently they hide it, as with the death of Gagarin was



    Yes, for the simple reason that 100% is again a jamb with loading and centering. And if you open it, then too large a chain will stretch. And there are "good people" everywhere.
    They wanted to have everything better and better on one flight. The plane, it’s big, iron, everything is tight.
    And these pilots just cling to the instructions from harmfulness. Every kilogram count. So why should they not facilitate the task? A box weighs 250 kg, and we round up to 200.
    And now to sculpt a clumsy version as with the Yak-42 in Yaroslavl does not work.
    But it’s convenient to blame the crew. Because they threw a trial version, they say they mixed up the chassis with flaps and wait, take root, or not.
    Only here is an example when they really messed up, but not the crew, those. composition with plug connectors.

    1. turbris
      turbris 28 March 2018 11: 18
      0
      I also think that the tragedy with the Tu-154 in Adler and the Yak-42 in Yaroslavl is a jamb with loading and centering. But they do not know how to admit it to the commission, because it will hook those who were not on board.
      1. Berkut154
        Berkut154 28 March 2018 11: 31
        +3
        What is the jamb with loading and centering? Poltos can be overloaded only if cast iron! 170 people take this car on board, there were 92+ luggage. We flew to Adler, topped up under the traffic jam, what does the alignment have to do with it? They came off normally with a positive gradient and started dialing normally. Where is the overload and centering?
    2. dzvero
      dzvero 28 March 2018 11: 23
      0
      Maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist smile , but if they don't cover up someone's four-letter and information about so much! the expertise is correct, then the version about sabotage becomes more real. After all, if the plane had not been sealed in Adler, the failure would have occurred over Iran / Iraq / Syria. And the probable partners of the Russian Federation are masters in organizing provocations ... And in this case, we will find out the truth in ... tsat or all ... ten years.
  6. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 28 March 2018 09: 56
    0
    Dear forum users. Can someone tell me if the microelectronics on this plane was made in Russia?
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 28 March 2018 10: 11
      +3
      What kind of microelectronics on the Tu-154b2? Everything is analog there. ABSU-154 of our production. There is nothing foreign there. Well, if only an iPad with Jepessen, well TCAS, although hardly.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 28 March 2018 10: 21
        0
        Is this the exact info? Has this board been upgraded?
        1. Berkut154
          Berkut154 28 March 2018 10: 30
          +3
          What kind of modernization do you need? There is a CWR. You can only cram all sorts of non-stuff like glonass and zhps into this plane, but they are only a hint to make life easier for the crew in providing integrated navigation. The entire control system is analog and reliable enough. B2 and so are living out their day and it is unlikely that someone will invest in it.
  7. Cop
    Cop 28 March 2018 10: 24
    +1
    I think that the investigation is being delayed deliberately. Speech and parametric recorders have long been deciphered, and the cause of the disaster has long been clear to experts. And most likely this is a crew mistake, and if it is still burdened with, say, “somatogravitational illusions,” then what kind of insurance payments can be discussed for the families of the dead crew members. And the survivor's pension is unlikely to be relied on in this case. And, if this is recognized, then the relatives of the dead passengers have a completely legitimate reason to file a lawsuit with the Russian Defense Ministry in court. And so the investigation will be delayed first, then it will be suspended, and when the statute of limitations expires, then they will close it.
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 28 March 2018 10: 45
      +1
      Quote: Cop
      I think that the investigation is being delayed deliberately. Speech and parametric recorders have long been deciphered, and the cause of the disaster has long been clear to experts. And most likely this is a crew mistake, and if it is still burdened with, say, “somatogravitational illusions,” then what kind of insurance payments can be discussed for the families of the dead crew members. And the survivor's pension is unlikely to be relied on in this case. And, if this is recognized, then the relatives of the dead passengers have a completely legitimate reason to file a lawsuit with the Russian Defense Ministry in court. And so the investigation will be delayed first, then it will be suspended, and when the statute of limitations expires, then they will close it.



      Aviator, or do you think so?
      1. Cop
        Cop 28 March 2018 11: 11
        +1
        [quote = shuravi] [quote = Cop]
        [quote] Aviator, or do you think so? [/ quote] [/ quote]
        .....
      2. Cop
        Cop 28 March 2018 11: 14
        +1
        Quote: shuravi
        Quote: Cop
        I think that the investigation is being delayed deliberately. Speech and parametric recorders have long been deciphered, and the cause of the disaster has long been clear to experts. And most likely this is a crew mistake, and if it is still burdened with, say, “somatogravitational illusions,” then what kind of insurance payments can be discussed for the families of the dead crew members. And the survivor's pension is unlikely to be relied on in this case. And, if this is recognized, then the relatives of the dead passengers have a completely legitimate reason to file a lawsuit with the Russian Defense Ministry in court. And so the investigation will be delayed first, then it will be suspended, and when the statute of limitations expires, then they will close it.

        Aviator, or do you think so?

        No, an engineer and I have an analytical mind .... Well, YOU don't seem to have risen above the vocational school. Plug connectors are studied there ...
        1. shuravi
          shuravi 28 March 2018 11: 27
          +2
          Quote: Cop

          No, engineer and I have an analytical mindset ....


          Rather idiotic. For a specialist, not knowing the circumstances, will not rush to unfounded conclusions. And in YOUR case in general a blizzard.


          Well, it looks like YOU didn’t rise above vocational schools. After all, they study the connectors ...


          Well, this only confirms once again what YOU are a specialist. Not knowing what SR is is indicative.


          And to call recorders recorders.


          PS
          The rules of mandatory appeal to YOU ​​do not require. I'm on YOU, only to respected personalities. hi
          1. Cop
            Cop 28 March 2018 12: 21
            +1
            Quote: shuravi
            Quote: Cop

            No, engineer and I have an analytical mindset ....


            Rather idiotic. For a specialist, not knowing the circumstances, will not rush to unfounded conclusions. And in YOUR case in general a blizzard.


            Well, it looks like YOU didn’t rise above vocational schools. After all, they study the connectors ...


            Rather idiotic. For a specialist, not knowing the circumstances, will not rush to unfounded conclusions. And in YOUR case in general a blizzard.


            And to call recorders recorders.


            PS
            The rules of mandatory appeal to YOU ​​do not require. I'm on YOU, only to respected personalities. hi

            Rather idiotic. For a specialist, not knowing the circumstances, will not rush to unfounded conclusions. And in YOUR case in general a blizzard.
            Quote: shuravi
            Rather idiotic. For a specialist, not knowing the circumstances, will not rush to unfounded conclusions. And in YOUR case in general a blizzard.

            What’s the blizzard? Would you explain .....
            Well, this only confirms once again what YOU are a specialist. Not knowing what SR is is indicative.

            Yeah, I see how Uncle Vasya, pouring kerosene at the Sochi airport, also swaps the SR ...
            And to call recorders recorders.

            Did I call them that?
            https://www.google.ru/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&a
            mp; esrc = s & source = images & cd = & cad = rja & a
            mp;uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjn58Dg2I7aAhWCC5oKHXUoAb
            8QjRx6BAgAEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fru.wikipedia.
            org%2Fwiki%2F%25D0%2591%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D1%
            2582%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2%25D1%258B%25D0%25B5_%25D
            1%2581%25D1%2580%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B4%25D1%2581%25
            D1%2582%25D0%25B2%25D0%25B0_%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B1%
            25D1%258A%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BA%25D1%2582%25D0%25B8
            %25D0%25B2%25D0%25BD%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B3%25D0%25B
            E_%25D0%25BA%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BD%25D1%2582%25D1%2
            580%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BB%25D1%258F&psig=AOvVaw
            1z8DabX1DyGf_Kcz-AZuNB & ust = 1522314539947822
            1. Dead duck
              Dead duck 28 March 2018 12: 31
              +3
              Quote: Cop
              Did I call them that?

              oh how ...
              then "IT", then "IT" ...
              split personality or seemed? what
              1. Cop
                Cop 29 March 2018 00: 00
                +1
                Quote: Deadush
                Quote: Cop
                Did I call them that?

                oh how ...
                then "IT", then "IT" ...

                And where did you see him?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 29 March 2018 00: 21
                  +2
                  You have a strange name. what
                  1. Cop
                    Cop 29 March 2018 08: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    You have a strange name. what

                    Well, that is, when you .... drink, pay attention to the bottle, and not to its contents?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 29 March 2018 09: 28
                      +1
                      Of course on the content. Only now, when the contents are feminine, and the name is masculine, misunderstandings in the head spin. wink
                      1. Cop
                        Cop 29 March 2018 10: 10
                        +1
                        ..... neponyatki spinning in my head.

                        So you ask this question to the site administrator, probably this is his script and uses the name of the account mailbox as the name ...
                2. Dead duck
                  Dead duck 29 March 2018 10: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Cop
                  And where did you see him?

                  here I am talking about that, and the pictures with girls and even signatures (like girls) and guys have enough winked
                  Quote: Cop
                  Well, that is, when you .... drink, pay attention to the bottle, and not to its contents?
                  what
                  Well, at the beginning, still on the bottle or label drinks
                  1. Cop
                    Cop 29 March 2018 10: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: Deadush
                    Quote: Cop
                    And where did you see him?

                    here I am talking about that, and the pictures with girls and even signatures (like girls) and guys have enough winked
                    Quote: Cop
                    Well, that is, when you .... drink, pay attention to the bottle, and not to its contents?
                    what
                    Well, at the beginning, still on the bottle or label drinks

                    Well, what’s the next conclusion? Really from the label?
                    1. Dead duck
                      Dead duck 29 March 2018 10: 30
                      +2
                      Quote: Cop
                      Well, what’s the next conclusion? Really from the label?

                      Valentine, what are you picking on ?!
                      what is the question is the answer yes
                      and yet a chain of events and definitions is described (in response) ...
                      it doesn’t interfere with one another, but the definition is not primarily of taste, and even the consequences can be obtained ... having tried it hard laughing
                      1. Cop
                        Cop 30 March 2018 09: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: Deadush
                        Quote: Cop
                        Well, what’s the next conclusion? Really from the label?

                        Valentine, what are you picking on ?!
                        what is the question is the answer ...

                        Indeed ... you are much more concerned about why I have such a strange name, and not why the plane fell ...
                        .... and even the consequences can be obtained ... with a hot taste of the wrong

                        And you be protected and you will not have such a problem .....
  8. Dead duck
    Dead duck 28 March 2018 12: 27
    +3
    Recall that it was previously stated that one of the pilots lost their spatial orientation, being (quoted) “in the grip of somatogravitational illusions”

    there are devices for this, and if a professional, he knows what, how and in what combination and under what conditions ...
    and then in the last crash hereditary steward plane sent in peak request
  9. shuravi
    shuravi 28 March 2018 13: 35
    +1
    Quote: Cop

    What’s the blizzard? Would you explain .....


    Yes, the fact is that not first-year cadets were sitting in the cockpit, but pilots with solid experience in flying. Even in the place of the second pilot was not a lieutenant-graduate, but a captain at the age of 33.
    What the hell is the loss of spatial position of such a crew?
    Yes, if the commander had any doubts, then, PKP in front of the nose. Already to him, the device, with such an experience more than you believe yourself.

    Yeah, I see how Uncle Vasya, pouring kerosene at the Sochi airport, also swaps the SR ...


    This video was an example of the level of training of military crews. To discourage the "analytical minds" from incriminating the crew with errors at the cadet level.
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 28 March 2018 13: 51
      +3
      And now, attention is the question: who was sitting in the right cup? Staff PAC or from the Squadron who needed to dial hours ..
    2. Cop
      Cop 29 March 2018 00: 32
      +1
      Quote: shuravi
      Quote: Cop

      What’s the blizzard? Would you explain .....


      Yes, the fact is that not first-year cadets were sitting in the cockpit, but pilots with solid experience in flying. Even in the place of the second pilot was not a lieutenant-graduate, but a captain at the age of 33.
      What the hell is the loss of spatial position of such a crew?
      Yes, if the commander had any doubts, then, PKP in front of the nose. Already to him, the device, with such an experience more than you believe yourself.

      Yeah, I see how Uncle Vasya, pouring kerosene at the Sochi airport, also swaps the SR ...


      This video was an example of the level of training of military crews. To discourage the "analytical minds" from incriminating the crew with errors at the cadet level.

      Yes, the fact is that not first-year cadets were sitting in the cockpit, but pilots with solid experience in flying. Even in the place of the second pilot was not a lieutenant-graduate, but a captain at the age of 33.

      A strong argument .... our pilots .... let's say they sit down at the controls of the aircraft completely .... healthy and do not confuse the landing gear and flaps control sticks .... They just spit to land the plane with damaged flaps.
      This video was an example of the level of training of military crews. To discourage the "analytical minds" from incriminating the crew with errors at the cadet level.

      A good video shows that even a faulty aircraft can be landed, provided, of course, that the crew is professional and healthy. But in this case, some argue that during takeoff one of the flaps jammed, and the crew could not land the plane with such a malfunction. But pilots of TU-154 are specially taught this. And if you think that the plane was overloaded, then who is responsible for the amount of cargo and its alignment? In general, if the transcript of the talks between the pilots in the cockpit and with the dispatcher had been published, many questions would have been removed.
  10. gippernano
    gippernano 28 March 2018 14: 08
    0
    Oh, huh, shouldn't some superpowers buy Vaseline?
  11. shuravi
    shuravi 28 March 2018 14: 45
    0
    Quote: Berkut154
    And now, attention is the question: who was sitting in the right cup? Staff PAC or from the Squadron who needed to dial hours ..


    Firstly, the crews just do not complete this way.
    Secondly, in this part of the problem there is no gaining an annual health rate.
    Thirdly, the captain 33 years of age and there is no need to gain a total raid.
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 28 March 2018 15: 06
      +3
      Well, not a fact .. about the pck, I'm not saying anything. There were people from the squadron and the detachment on board. Therefore, there are no problems with sanitary standards in the detachment that it is recruited just like everywhere else. Moreover, the flight to the DB zone is taken into account.
    2. NN52
      NN52 28 March 2018 15: 10
      +2
      shuravi

      Every pravak dreams to transfer to the left cup ...
      The crew was prefabricated, not full-time ...
      Many also depend on the total raid in the BTA ..
      And the illusion is insidious thing. I had it in the SMU in the clouds (after I had a cold), as if I didn’t believe the 20 gr. Roll, though I didn’t believe the devices ... 10-15 seconds were needed to understand the situation .... Then it was somehow uncomfortable. ..
  12. shuravi
    shuravi 28 March 2018 15: 30
    0
    Quote: NN52
    shuravi

    Every pravak dreams to transfer to the left cup ...


    And here it is?

    The crew was prefabricated, not full-time ...


    Again, there is an order regarding who can fly with whom in the same crew. Co-pilot with all the PICs, the flight commander and so on.

    Many also depend on the total raid in the BTA ..


    By 33 years, even among helicopter pilots for a thousand.


    And the illusion is insidious thing. I had it in the SMU in the clouds (after I had a cold), as if I didn’t believe the 20 gr. Roll, though I didn’t believe the devices ... 10-15 seconds were needed to understand the situation .... Then it was somehow uncomfortable. ..


    And here it is necessary strictly, first of all to oneself, if one has stopped believing the devices, then it is better to go to the ground.
    I don’t know how on airplanes, but on a helicopter to put the “balls in the head” in place, it’s enough to work with the pedals.
  13. shuravi
    shuravi 28 March 2018 15: 37
    0
    Yes, another such moment. Pravak at the age of 33, this is a classic guide.
    1. NN52
      NN52 28 March 2018 16: 41
      +1
      shuravi

      Don’t confuse the years when you flew ... Commander Tu had about 3000 hours of flight time, do you think how much is this or not? I don’t know how many pravak’s I have, but he graduated from Balashov in 2006 (in the third year he was written off from the fighter faculty, he couldn’t master L 3; we are like aviation people) .. How do you?
      Regarding the illusion, you do not quite understand this phenomenon ... This is something connected with the middle ear, I don’t remember exactly about medicine ... And the pedals will not help here ... Read on the internet ...

      And in general, there are persistent rumors in a certain environment, I do not believe of course that another person took off from the right cup ... There were many specialists on board ...
      Maybe that's why they are dragging on the investigation, I don't know ...
      And let's finish this topic, sorry guys ...
  14. shuravi
    shuravi 28 March 2018 17: 44
    0
    Quote: NN52
    shuravi

    You don’t confuse the years when you flew ... The commander Tu had a raid about 3000 h, do you think it is small or small?


    And this is how to look, 3 000 can easily be more than 10 000. The whole question is how many landings.

    I don’t know how much Pravak has, but he graduated from Balashov in 2006 (on the 3 course they wrote off non-education from the fighter faculty, he couldn’t master 39, they transferred the Krasnodar branch to Balashov downgrading .. I apologize for writing about the deceased, but you and I are like aviation people) .. How do you like it?


    Very similar to spreading cranberries.
    First of all, I'm sorry, but the L-39 is the plane of initial training in all VVAUL except helicopters.
    Secondly, the cadet that has not flown out has two ways:
    - continue training in non-flying profile (future platoon commander for his own school);
    - transfer to the school navigators.
    Thirdly, even if you omit the L-239 in Balashov, it turns out that L-39 did not master, and An-26 easily?
    Thirdly, Balashov is one of the most criminal schools. And if there was a translation fact there, it was more likely due to the fact that initially there wasn’t enough paws upon receipt, and later they could cram into the vacant seat.
    Fourth, we had facts. when in the first year, quite instructive guys managed to import instructors. They applied for deductions and immediately acted again. Then they took off quite successfully and served quite normally.


    Regarding the illusion, you do not quite understand this phenomenon ... This is something connected with the middle ear, I don’t remember exactly about medicine ... And the pedals will not help here ... Read on the internet ...


    This is why I do not know her? The vestibular apparatus is also called its training.
    As for the pedals, it is checked personally, it works. And the reason for the appearance of an illusion in most cases is the presence of slipping.

    And indeed persistent rumors are circulating in a certain environment, of course I do not believe that another person took off from the right cup ...

    Let an outsider in? This happens, but not when people in the cabin.
    1. Berkut154
      Berkut154 28 March 2018 18: 55
      +4
      It was a normal mission flight. In which, among other things, training of crew members, regular and seconded ones, is carried out with practicing exercises. The difference is that this plane is designed to carry passengers. This is his main task.

      And indeed persistent rumors are circulating in a certain environment, of course I do not believe that another person took off from the right cup ...

      And here is the most interesting thing: the whole situation began to grow after the execution of the actions of the PKK, 2P. Who asked: are we cleaning? ... why asked? When the CC was clearly assigned a harvesting height of 500 m ...
    2. NN52
      NN52 28 March 2018 20: 41
      +2
      shuravi

      I kind of explained everything to you as normal .. You didn’t understand ... It used to be, I entered Armavir, I’m in flight, then there are no options, if it’s not easy, then to demobilize, if by discipline, then serve up, in the security company ..
      Now, about Krasnodar, up to the 3rd year, everyone studies, and then there is a distribution, who goes where, a fighter profile, transport workers, attack aircraft ...
      What nonsense are you talking about.
      And how do you know, helicopter pilot, what is an illusion in flight ???? Why so ? You passed the standards for loping and trampoline?
      I thought that I was talking with a normal aviation man, albeit a helicopter pilot ... But no, a cool grandfather who knows everything and does not interest others ...
      About the slip on the wiki subtracted?
      Regarding Balashov, think for yourself, I wrote ... In the internet from his odnokans there is all infa ..

      Regarding an outsider, find on the internet the composition of specialists on board, and think ...
      1. NN52
        NN52 28 March 2018 20: 51
        +2
        I did not expect such unprofessionalism from you ...
      2. shuravi
        shuravi 29 March 2018 01: 21
        0
        Quote: NN52
        shuravi

        I kind of explained everything to you as normal .. You didn’t understand ... It used to be, I entered Armavir, I’m in flight, then there are no options, if it’s not easy, then to demobilize, if by discipline, then serve up, in the security company ..


        Again not entirely true. In those cases when they wrote off non-calendar and flight practice from the first year, then the choice:
        - continue training in non-flying profile;
        - transfer to the navigational school;
        - Serve as a soldier.

        Now about Krasnodar, deveryone is learning about the 3 course, and then there is a distribution of who is going where, the profile is fighter, transport, attack aircraft...
        What nonsense are you talking about.


        Is this what I’m talking about? Well, let's see what you played before:

        I don’t know how much Pravak has, but he finished Balashov in 2006 (on the 3 course, they wrote off non-fiction from the fighter’s faculty — I couldn’t master the 39, transferred with a lowering rate to Balashov branch of Krasnodar


        Somehow one does not converge with the other.

        And how do you know, helicopter pilot, what is an illusion in flight ???? Why so ? You passed the standards for loping and trampoline?
        I thought that I was talking with a normal aviation man, albeit a helicopter pilot ... But no, a cool grandfather who knows everything and does not interest others ...
        About the slip on the wiki subtracted?


        So you sintered Mitya. You only pretend to be a pilot, but in fact they are not. But I think what it is he is floating in elementary things.


        Regarding Balashov, think for yourself, I wrote ... In the internet from his odnokans there is all infa ..

        Regarding an outsider, find on the internet the composition of specialists on board, and think ...


        And the lexicon is a teenager.
        1. NN52
          NN52 29 March 2018 10: 17
          +1
          shuravi

          Well, for you, I’m probably a teenager, I’m only 46 (a teenager in his prime, so to speak ..))), compared to you ...
          And where am I sailing?
          We have practice flights, they began in Azerbaijan (training regiments were there until 91) at the end of the 2nd year ... Where did the flights begin with the 1st year, I do not know in principle ... Did you come up with this yourself?
          And in general, did you fly in helicopters?
          And before the training was 4 g, all were released in flight in October ...
          Now training is 5 years ... for info you ...
          Granddad...
          And Mitya, this is not Dmitry ...
        2. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 29 March 2018 12: 39
          +4
          Quote: shuravi
          pretend to be a pilot, but in fact you are not

          You seem to be a helicopter pilot? Have flown for a long time or others are still in the ranks
  15. Dead duck
    Dead duck 30 March 2018 10: 51
    +3
    Quote: Cop
    And you be protected and you will not have such a problem .....

    Protected when another is tried. And my excitement has nothing to do with the investigation and cannot request
    1. Cop
      Cop 30 March 2018 13: 25
      +1
      Quote: Deadush
      Quote: Cop
      And you be protected and you will not have such a problem .....

      Protected when another is tried.

      Well that is you don't care where to buy Absolut, whether it is at a kiosk near the station, in a duty free shop or .....
      1. Dead duck
        Dead duck 30 March 2018 15: 03
        +2
        Quote: Cop
        Well i.e. you don’t care where to buy Absolut, whether in a kiosk at the station, in duty free shop ....

        oh ... do not exaggerate and do not distort yes
        Yes, and it is doubtful whether expensive alcohol exists in dubious "stalls" ... and they don’t sell them at kiosks (up to 15 grams, it seems), although there are enough fakes everywhere.
        and I rarely take vodka, under borsch if only. mainly wine (dry red), cognac, whiskey (irish) request
        1. Cop
          Cop 31 March 2018 08: 08
          +1
          Quote: Deadush
          Quote: Cop
          Well i.e. you don’t care where to buy Absolut, whether in a kiosk at the station, in duty free shop ....

          oh ... do not exaggerate and do not distort

          I'm just trying to follow your logic ..
          yes, and the presence of expensive alcohol in questionable "stalls" is doubtful ... and they are not sold in kiosks (up to 15 grams, it seems),

          And you go, for example, to St. Petersburg and walk, for example, along Prosveshcheniya Avenue after 20.00 .....
          1. Dead duck
            Dead duck 31 March 2018 09: 15
            +2
            I don’t need to go there, I can walk on foot laughing
            Sometimes in "stalls" they sell "from under the floor" a dubious swill and so what?! ... need to buy?
            You do not follow my logic, you distort it and take the convenient out of context yes
            1. Cop
              Cop 31 March 2018 11: 45
              +1
              Quote: Deadush
              I don’t need to go there, I can walk on foot
              So go to the "skylight", walk towards the metro station of the same name, if from the Vyborg highway, then on the left, if from the "citizen", then on the right. There will be a stop opposite the metro, and next to it is a kiosk. Go there after 22.00 hours. I think., If you wish, not only Abcolut will be sold to you there ...
              Sometimes in "stalls" they sell "from under the floor" a dubious swill and so what?! ... need to buy?

              No, you need to inform Rospotrebnadzor and the internal authorities ...
              You cover it and take the convenient out of context.

              You remind me of one actor who said: "I remember here ..., here .. I don't remember ...". So you, "Here it is necessary to protect yourself, but here you can do it ....." And what did I distort?
              1. Dead duck
                Dead duck 31 March 2018 21: 48
                +2
                Quote: Cop
                And what did I distort?

                almost all my life and the meaning of existence laughing
                everything ... I’m bad, and I don’t have logic, but which is terrible ...
                and my opinion is also not right ... not as it should yes
                now even tell no one about their worthlessness recourse
                1. Cop
                  Cop April 1 2018 11: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Deadush
                  Quote: Cop
                  And what did I distort?

                  almost all my life and the meaning of existence

                  Nobody bothers you to start ts. from scratch......:).
                  .... now there is no one to even tell about your worthlessness ..

                  Well, judging by your rank here, you should have a lot of fans here. So don’t worry ...
                  1. Dead duck
                    Dead duck April 1 2018 13: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: Cop
                    Nobody bothers you to start t.s. from scratch......:)

                    It's just that we’re starting to talk off topic .... they can also punish for flood yes
                    love this is for you all the world drinks
                    Quote: Cop
                    Well, judging by your rank here

                    That's why I don’t understand ... to deprive the title, the awards are also ripped off into the shrafbat.
                    1. Cop
                      Cop April 2 2018 08: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: Deadush
                      Quote: Cop
                      Nobody bothers you to start t.s. from scratch......:)

                      It's just that we’re starting to talk off topic .... they can also punish for flood

                      So the news has long gone into "sucks", and then the moderator is not a human? Is the human alien to him? :).
                      this is for you all the world

                      Thank! But as one of my favorite actors said "truce" .... :).
                      to deprive of ranks, awards are torn down and in shrafbat.

                      So this is up to the first "blood", and then again .... Colonel-General ..... :).
                      1. Dead duck
                        Dead duck April 2 2018 12: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: Cop
                        and then again .... Colonel General ..... :).

                        not ... too small to repeat ...
                        lord of the universe ... minimum laughing
  16. Cop
    Cop April 2 2018 16: 48
    +1
    Dead duck,
    lord of the universe ... minimum

    Maybe it is better to stop at the position of ..... local moderator? :).
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck April 4 2018 13: 38
      +2
      will not be enough)
      1. Cop
        Cop April 4 2018 19: 02
        +1
        Quote: Deadush
        will not be enough)

        Have you read a fairy tale about a goldfish as a child? :).
        1. Dead duck
          Dead duck April 4 2018 19: 57
          +2
          Quote: Cop
          Did you read a fairy tale about a goldfish as a child? :)

          this is a bad fairy tale and there about a woman ... laughing
          1. Cop
            Cop April 4 2018 20: 16
            +1
            Quote: Deadush

            this is a bad fairy tale and there about a woman.

            Ie you would prefer "At the command of the pike ......"? :).
            1. Dead duck
              Dead duck April 4 2018 20: 51
              +2
              Quote: Cop
              Ie you would prefer "At the command of the pike ......"? :).

              No, of course, that I'm stink?! ... for some reason ...
              simply, without everything - the lord of the universe and all ...
              I'm not Napoleon ... they are enough without me.
              1. Cop
                Cop April 5 2018 18: 26
                +1
                Quote: Deadush
                Quote: Cop
                Ie you would prefer "At the command of the pike ......"? :).

                No, of course, that I'm stink?! ... for some reason ...
                simply, without everything - the lord of the universe and all ...
                I'm not Napoleon ... they are enough without me.

                Well then, good luck ... in exploring the universe ...