The Russian government rejected the PMC bill

The Russian government has rejected a bill on the activities of private military companies (PMCs), reports Interfax. The relevant Cabinet statement notes that the government does not support this initiative.

The recall states that the bill contradicts part 5 of article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. The article prohibits the creation and activity of public associations, the goals and actions of which are aimed at the creation of armed formations. In addition, according to Article 71 of the Constitution, issues of defense and security, war and peace, foreign policy and international relations of Russia are under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation.

Also, they did not support this draft law in the Ministry of Defense of Russia, in the Ministry of Finance, in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, as well as in a number of other security agencies, in particular in the Russian Guard, in the FSB, SVR, FSO. The Prosecutor General and the Ministry of Justice of Russia also spoke out against it.

We remind you that the draft PMC in January 2018 of the year to the State Duma introduced the "Fair Russia". It proposes to entrust the licensing of PMCs to the Ministry of Defense. Private companies are invited to allow participation in peacekeeping operations, personnel training, military consulting, maintenance and repair of military equipment and weapons, supplies of military equipment, demining, military construction, services of military interpreters, suppression of terrorist activities abroad, protection of the sovereignty of a foreign state and restoration of constitutional order in its territory.

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[Vladimirets]

Q.E.D. Although many of the above - "participation in peacekeeping operations, training personnel, military consulting, maintenance and repair of military equipment and weapons, supply of military equipment, mine clearance, military construction, services of military translators, suppressing terrorist activities abroad, protecting the sovereignty of a foreign state and restoring constitutional order to it territory. ", You can do without the creation of PMCs.

[Borik]

This is not the right time. And when it comes, they will surely break the law.

[SOF]

... really ... It's not time yet.

[mad]

And now, as in a children's song - "There is an ass, but no words"))

[japs]

Alexey, please excuse me, but these are not the words of the song, this is a rephrase of the statement of our beloved film and theater actress Faina Ranevskaya.
The original reads: "How is it that there is no word, well ... is there?"

[kapitan92]

Quote: japs

The original reads: "How is it that there is no word, well ... is there?"

Words by Plyackovsky, music by Shainsky!

[demo]

It’s just that the initiative came from the wrong person.
If Arkady Rotenberg had introduced his son, Igor, then all departments were less adamant.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: demo

It’s just that the initiative came from the wrong person.
If Arkady Rotenberg had introduced his son, Igor, then all departments were less adamant.

I saw PMCs around the world. God forbid that we get this poison ... This is uncontrollable. Yes, and they collect different rabble there ...

[vkfriendly]

Seen sitting on the clave in front of the monitor? I also saw and will tell you that any enterprise is subject to the laws of the country where it operates, secondarily where the ano is registered. A zbrod can be seen even at a construction site among migrant workers, and even in high school there is also a zbrod.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: vkfriendly

Seen sitting on the clave in front of the monitor? I also saw and will tell you that any enterprise is subject to the laws of the country where it operates, secondarily where the ano is registered. A zbrod can be seen even at a construction site among migrant workers, and even in high school there is also a zbrod.

I saw it in El Salvador, I saw it in Afghanistan, I saw it in Laos, I saw it in Vietnam .... Enough? He served in 18 countries on four continents, while you, my dear, at the lessons of the Russian language "deuces" received ....

[Falcond]

What time is it about? You can now register over the hill office and provide the same services!

[your1970]

Quote: FalconD

What time is it about? You can now register over the hill office and provide the same services!

-sure. The question is for whom to provide and who will give the money, weapons and pensions to those killed?

[Romka47]

I completely agree with you and also wanted to write, it will be necessary to adopt the law, but for now it is absolutely useless to the extent that they are now, and without the law you can use and use.

[ul_vitalii]

As one all conspired, usually only Baba Yaga against

[Terenin]

Also, they did not support this draft law in the Ministry of Defense of Russia, in the Ministry of Finance, in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, as well as in a number of other security agencies, in particular in the Russian Guard, in the FSB, SVR, FSO. The Prosecutor General and the Ministry of Justice of Russia also spoke out against it.

Quote: ul_vitalii

Like one all conspired

Hi Vitaliy Well, firstly, they can pass the law without their approval. Secondly, I would like to get acquainted with their arguments. So, approximately, it’s understandable that the Ministry of Finance is an extra waste, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs is an extra trouble for negotiations, excuses (after all, not a chess club), explanations, etc. The Prosecutor General’s Office and the Ministry of Justice - answers to requests and accusations from the countries of "sworn enemies" where our PMCs "make noise". The power structures (Rosguard, FSB, SVR, FSO) are probably real fears that specialists (with the secrets of combat use) will flee to the Cheka where they pay more. By the way, the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not in this list! So, the bill needs to be submitted to parliament not through a political party, but through the President.

[ul_vitalii]

Good evening, Gennady Yes, if through the president, then all of them will turn into links, and then into a single chain, everything is logical, that is, predictably

[Nehist]

So Putin made a proposal to adopt a law on PMCs back in 2016. Just the outgoing government will not accept anything now. And from May we look at the new composition. There it will be possible to push through the law

[Romka47]

Why is it needed? what good will we fall from him? PMCs are now, issues that can only be solved with their help, they probably will and will be resolved, and without law. And give the law so here we have whole front mercenaries appear

[svp67]

Quote: Vladimirets

As required.

And how many people can you torture? Forcing them to register in a foreign jurisdiction

[Vladimirets]

Quote: svp67

And how many people can you torture? Forcing them to register in a foreign jurisdiction

I meant that not a single power structure would support such a law.

[svp67]

Quote: Vladimirets

I meant that not a single power structure would support such a law.

But do not disdain to use them

[Hlavaty]

Quote: svp67

And how many people can you torture? Forcing them to register in a foreign jurisdiction

Well, what kind of torment in foreign jurisdiction?
In my opinion, for the Russian Federation it is even better if some kind of "independent" PMCs will solve the Russian problems. If anything, then the RF has nothing to do with - it's like mercenaries.
What else does?
Rewards? You can reward anyone.
Pension? Private pension fund.
Service? Privileges? Covered by high pay.
True, a normal person may have a question: what for then do you need a state?

[Scoun]

Quote: Vladimirets

You can do without the creation of PMCs.

PMCs and PMCs.
The state loudly disowned ..... but exactly the opposite.
PMCs are and will now be the "unofficial" instrument of the State of the Russian Federation.
For the very tender, even in Korea under the USSR, "volunteers" fought.
I believe that all curtsies are respected and PMCs be.

[kirgiz58]

Quote: Vladimirets

You can do without the creation of PMCs

Already engaged. In Boguchar, a company from St. Petersburg is engaged in repair work at the bases, and repairmen from Boguchar. They don’t wash it sickly (and it’s not bad for pensioners).

[Falcond]

Do not confuse outsourcing with PMCs

[vkfriendly]

This is the state’s withdrawal from responsibility (if we didn’t send them, the citizens of Russia did not die), but you can and even need to use it, benefits and compensations are not supposed, as well as honoring heroes if that. In short, a deft position. But the truth is shitty.

[Palagecha]

They’re rightly afraid ... It’s not the unrequited citizens to raise taxes, poverty, promises ...

[Andrey K]

Quote: Palagecha

... They’re rightly afraid ... It’s not the unrequited citizens to tax with taxes, poverty, promises ...

Calm down, the election has passed. Responsible for yourself, and not grieve about hypothetical-theoretical citizens.
Do you have a topic about PMCs?
Do not arrange provocations on the site

[SOF]

Quote: Andrey K

Do not arrange provocations on the site

... a colleague is trying to say that if the Communists came to power, they would definitely adopt this law, since it absolutely consistent with the ideology of the communist movement ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: SOF

since it is absolutely consistent with the ideology of the communist movement ..

It seems to me that you are confusing businessmen with volunteers.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Gray Brother

... It seems to me that you are confusing businessmen with volunteers ...

It seems to you.
I have not seen a single businessman who would sell his life.
Quite the contrary - in their life they will sell everything and everyone, such is the complexity of the businessmen.

[japs]

As many as there are merchants willing to sell to any payer, naturally, for good sums of money, other people's lives. They certainly will not sell their own ...
There will be many people who want to go to PMCs, work for alms from the gentlemen, it is becoming less ...

[Gray brother]

Quote: Andrey K

I have not seen a single businessman who would sell his life.

Why sell your life if you can sell someone else's?
Welcome to the real world.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Gray Brother

... Why sell your life if you can sell someone else's?
Welcome to the real world...

Entertaining your world.

[Andrey K]

Quote: SOF

...... a colleague is trying to say that if the communists came to power, they would definitely adopt this law, since it absolutely consistent with the ideology of the communist movement ...

So I didn’t understand my colleague, he started from afar - with "crying Yaroslavna."
For the same ideas, which are “more alive than all living things”, they have sent their people and their own and alien - not counting, to the furnace of the “flame of the world revolution”.

[Palagecha]

My dear, thank you for having served me by reminding you of the end of the election. I am also very grateful for your advice not to be sad. On the topic, I already wrote everything that I wanted and have nothing more. I ask you to humor me also I’m sorry for the fact that I am a provocateur. I won’t be any longer. Let me also express true admiration for your undoubtedly extraordinary abilities to identify provocateurs, for this unique ability of yours will bring undoubted benefit to the well-being of our state and its prosperity.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Palagecha

... My dear, thank you for serving me, reminding me of the end of the election. I am also very grateful for your advice not to be sad. On the topic, I already wrote everything that I wanted at the moment and I don’t have anything else. I will also forgive you for being a provocateur. I will not do it anymore. Let me also express true admiration for your undoubtedly extraordinary abilities to identify provocateurs, for this unique ability of yours will bring undoubted benefit to the well-being of our state and its prosperity. ...

Игорь Иванович
Needless to jerk.
Seriously: any bunch, from any direction and away we go - Putin, power, we, us.
There is a stated topic of the article - about PMCs, let's respect and talk with each other in this vein.
If you want about politics - there is a "Political Review" or here in VO, articles of relevant subjects appear.
No offense.

[Romka47]

Andrey I like your comments

[minus]

Strange ... PMC as it is, but they are not!

[Romario_Argo]

Hello, what country do you live in ....
it’s not PMCs, but veiled units of the FSB, SVR and the Ministry of Defense
but in fact, the Russian military, for which it’s now possible to get the teeth too (!)

[Falcond]

[quote] this is not PMCs, but veiled units of the FSB, SVR and the Ministry of Defense
but in fact, the Russian military, for which it’s now possible to get the teeth too (!) [quote]
Now you can get for such posts

[Normal ok]

Quote: Minus

Strange ... PMC as it is, but they are not!

Yes, there are no PMCs in Russia. It’s just convenient to blame on “Wagner” - GRU informal actions.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Minus

Strange ... PMC as it is, but they are not!

It's like a gopher. Nobody sees a gopher, but he IS.

[Andrey K]

... The Russian government rejected the PMC bill ...

It is very regrettable what else to say.
A warrior, no matter how he is called, remains a warrior.
Behind the warrior, there should be state support, if he is promoting the interests of the state.

[Muvka]

And thank God. They will create all sorts of igloids in Chechnya or Dagestan PMCs, and then there will be mass killings in big cities.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Muvka

...And thank God. They will create all sorts of igloids in Chechnya or Dagestan PMCs, and then there will be mass killings in big cities ...

I am talking about organizations that promote and protect our national interests, abroad.
Pocket armies, all sorts of "specific princes" and without a law on PMCs have. Private security companies are used to their fullest.

[Muvka]

There will be promoting interests, and there will be those who will organize terror in the country.

[Andrey K]

Quote: Muvka

... There will be promoting interests, and there will be those who will organize terror in the country ...

If you watch how, in the 404th, all sorts of national battalions got drunk with blood and went to work on sharing the entire ruin - then yes, the result is before my eyes.
It depends on what “bridle” to legislate.

[Palagecha]

I generously ask you to forgive me if I correct you a little - the security organizations in the Russian Federation act on the basis of the current legislation, and not the full coil. I bow to you.

[Romka47]

Sorry, I will correct, sometimes they go beyond the limits allowed by law

[Romario_Argo]

Texas, we definitely do not need

[Wolka]

all come to this

[captain]

I agree with you. The government made a mistake. PMCs could solve those issues that our vacationers were solving in the Donbass. And no aggression would be attributed to us. Mistake, but I think they’ll change their minds soon.

[Vita vko]

Quote: captain

PMCs could solve the issues that our vacationers were solving in the Donbass

Volunteers are fighting in the Donbas and they must be protected on the basis of bilateral agreements between Russia and the LDP. And PMCs are primarily a commercial organization and the interests of big business and oligarchs will certainly stand behind it. Therefore, the consequences of the commercialization of the military will be sad. In particular, those terrorist organizations operating in the Middle East are precisely the consequences of financing mercenaries by various foundations and commercial structures. And if they cease to be financed, then they will easily earn money using weapons. Not to mention the consequences of provocations against PMCs. For example, the same Wagner can now at any time be included in the list of terrorists by the West and they do not need proof for this.
Therefore, such assistance should be exclusively voluntary in nature, and there the task of law enforcement agencies is to personally and correctly evaluate the activities of these volunteers abroad,

[Paranoid50]

Quote: captain

And no aggression would be attributed to us.

Fullness to you, Yuri, now aggression is attributed to us everywhere, even where there is no military action, from the word "completely". And a downward trend is not expected. And, if somewhere a group of armed people of a certain nationality lights up ... well, if only based on the statement "there’s nothing to lose anyway." Although, in the case of an “official” mess, the need for PMCs, as such, will disappear, because the forces will come into play much more seriously than groups of “wild geese”, which in this case will only be confused underfoot. Something like this.

[Falcond]

And how are PMCs, the activities of which are managed by the Defense Ministry, fundamentally different from the regular parts of the armed forces ???
Those. Do you really think that if you send such a gang to another state to fight, then this state will have no reason to declare Russia an aggressor ??? PMC was planned to be placed under the control of the Ministry of Defense .. what difference is their status if they are managed by the Ministry of Defense of the country that sent them? !!!

[your1970]

Quote: FalconD

what difference is their status if they are managed by the ministry of defense of the country that sent them? !!!

-I also didn’t understand, there is a group of persons managed by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation“But they are doing something on their own, away from Russia? Meaning? if there are normal units?”

[Sonet]

No wonder no one in Russia recognizes the existence of PMCs. It’s very convenient to have a consumable, whose victories can then be attributed to ourselves, and defeats .... well, we don’t know anything about the losses of the Russian people.

[SOF]

Quote: Sonet

victory which you can then ascribe to yourself

...not necessary to lie. Nobody has yet arrogated victories to consulting companies ....

[Yak28]

(PMC) is a common gang formation that acts in the interests of those who pay

[serge siberian]

When the state apparatus wants to break through everything.

[vladimirvn]

I stood at the mirror maybe an hour, or maybe two.
Even my legs hooted, my head hurt.
I see clearly, I see clearly, well, what is the secret here.
After all, this does not happen ass is and there is no word.

Soviet vocabulary and ideology are returning in the worst case, when the Pravda newspaper had to be read between the lines, guessing the true meaning of what was written. When they said one thing, they thought different, but they did the third.

[Zubr]

Well, who would doubt that no one will go to a constitutional change, for now. And even more so PMCs, such a fatty piece can grab. And there it’s worth it to sell.

[Herculesic]

And they did the right thing — we do not need these legalized gangs! Look, as an example, ukroin, one continuous gang, serving the people, people and rob!

[Cartalon]

Well, of course, having unlawful formations is much more convenient

[Herculesic]

Do you have such a formation? Write to the FSB-accelerate quickly and efficiently!

[Herculesic]

You look at your tongue, as it is customary to answer for your words! Regarding the "hypocritical TV *** to her" in the mirror, look at one such! Sorry, there are no minuses, they would have driven you into the skulls, at least! !!

[demokrat86]

Cons, cons, cons can be seen your main weapon ... You can be seen for a long time in stock or retired. Well, talk to the servicemen, they will open many eyes to you

[Herculesic]

Do not believe me, on Saturday I had a conversation with a major friend for almost 4 hours! I know a lot of things for a long time! But, I also know that the country is not ready for these PMCs, because they are being created as weapons for millionaires and billionaires, as well-fed armies, to rush at those whom they will lower! And about the minuses, don’t be rude, and you won’t get such an answer to your address.

[demokrat86]

Well, I didn’t seem to be rude, and initially I didn’t even contact you, but only you reacted to my point of view

[Bronevick]

Slava Korneev (Leshiy), after being wounded, had no desire to travel more to Syria

[gridasov]

But it can be allowed to organize PMC activities in one of the countries friendly to Russia. And I believe that such a need exists. With "wolves live like wolf howls"

[av58]

The Russian government: they were fools, they are fools, and they will die fools.

[Terenin]

The Russian government: they were fools, they are fools, and they will die fools.

av58 All the same, with such a respected order on the avatar, it is advisable for you to correspond with it in your comments. Well, read for yourself what you wrote . We must respect the members of the forum. If you affect the Russian government, then analyze and explain when, in what activity and why they were fools. The same is true for your second "slogan". If you do not explain the first two of your slogans, we will assume that you attribute the third to yourself.

[Second major]

PMC - a false Anglo-Saxon notion, double morality, double standards. The Russian Federation has an army, there is a need - it must be applied. When a country is confident in its rightness and strength - PMCs are not needed.

[demokrat86]

Well then we oh how we are not sure ... Better would be PMCs than vacationers, business trips to "Rostov", "Belgorod" well, and unknown Russians in Syria

[demokrat86]

I agree with you in many respects, the state is not ready, because corruption, kinship and so on are flourishing, and PMCs can become the rich army, but on the other hand, I understand that there are guys who are on business trips in Rostov, but really a trap, and neither military nor a veteran, nothing, only business trips

[Maalkavianin]

Well, right. Nafig they are not needed ..... officially. :-)

[Hiller]

In the mid-90s, a "group of comrades with veteran certificates" went to the relevant authorities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for permission to import "gas and signal trunks" and the opening of an appropriate store .... The final .... the comrades were "swaddled", and the power structure opened a network points of sale of initial products under the management of their "retirees". Such an experience ...

[steelmaker]

How to die for RUSSIA voluntarily and free of charge, it’s please, but according to the law it must be paid! There is no money, but you hold on! I believe that everything that is to the benefit of RUSSIA should have legal force, and for this it’s possible to introduce amendments to the Constitution!

[your1970]

according to the law (the international Geneva Conventions are called) - mercenaries do not apply to either military or civilians. In this regard, mercenaries do not have any legal protection.
Therefore, any person captivating them - can do anything with them
If, however, you make amendments to the Constitution, then you can quite legally send the usual units of the Ministry of Defense abroad. And PMCs will not be needed

[Romanenko]

The first attack was repelled, but not the fact that there will not be repeated in the forehead and with roundabout maneuvers. So far, Russia does not need PMCs, and it is unlikely to be required in the future.
Making blood is not our profile.

[shadow]

There is no law, no PMCs. And if there is no PMC, then who was smashed by American aircraft?

[Falcond]

TheirTamNet

[trak]

This is not the first time they have been rejected ... A number of questions arise. "Fair Russia", making the bill, forgot to look at the constitution, it does not have competent lawyers? And the same private security companies do not fall under this article? If so, why? Are they not public associations or are they not armed groups? In addition, PMCs operate everywhere, in contrast to private security firms, outside their own country. In countries where PMCs are permitted, there are also articles in the constitutions that prohibit public associations with armed groups, which means that political parties are prohibited from having their own military units, so that it does not exist in Russia after the February Revolution or in Germany before Hitler came. I have no respect for my government for a long time, to put it mildly. I hope that he will be finally removed along with his darling, the prime minister, from whom he is a mile away carrying helpless confusion. And the bases that were put forward for refusing PMCs are so stupid that they either hold us for the last idiots, or the compilers in the government are literate people.

[Anchonsha]

Well, yes, we have a defensive policy, not attacks on other countries. For wars, we have the armed forces if there was an attack on our country or allies. We also have peacekeeping forces for use by UN decisions. PMCs created in Western countries and are used against peaceful countries illegally by the CIA

[Sadko88]

Why do we need PMCs? We do not have our Cossacks in action ... The law on the Cossacks must be competent to adopt. And PMCs are not our method ...

[Falcond]

If it is correctly accepted, then it turns out that 50% are mummers!

[Falcond]

And they did it right! And then, in fact, it would turn out that the interests of not our country would be protected by the blood of our children, but of those who are able to pay for this blood ... And someone would have huge money from such a PSC !!!

[Falcond]

The Army and Navy are our allies ... what PMCs!

[bsk_una]

Correctly! Not from that, or rather, this law and the introduction of the new Russian Constitution did not begin at the same time. Medvedevskaya junta helped to get on the right road. For this, the junta may not be deported from the country, but simply for a hint to drive to all 4 sides without the right to approach closer than 100 kilometers to the settlements. We have so many places like this!

[asiat_61]

Our "American" constitution, needs to be reviewed for a long time, and many articles are simply canceled as harmful.

[begemot20091]

Quote: japs

Alexey, please excuse me, but these are not the words of the song, this is a rephrase of the statement of our beloved film and theater actress Faina Ranevskaya.

Do not idealize your grandmother. This joke is at least twice as old as Ranevskaya. (About the bathhouse and the cashier. Analog: a tram with an intellectual ...)

[Nikolaevich I]

And where to "chop"? And there’s an antires: “Wagner” ... what? ... will they arrest?