Ministry of Defense of Greece: Name "Macedonia"? Such a country cannot be on the world map

Greek Defense Minister Panos Kammenos, who heads one of the parties in the ruling alliance, commented on the situation with the "Macedonian issue". The point is that, according to the Greeks, the neighboring state has no right to bear the same name as the Greek historical region. We will remind that earlier the official Athens announced its consent to cooperation with Macedonia, if this country changes its name, for example, to North Macedonia, Upper Macedonia or the Republic of Skopje.

According to Kammenos, his party is not going to make any concessions to Macedonia, rushing into the European Union, as long as there is at least some use of the term “Macedonia” in the name of the country.

Kammenos, who heads the Independent Greeks Party, firmly stated:

We are doing everything possible so that there is no state left on the map that actually steals the name of our historical region.

In turn, a political force is gaining popularity in Macedonia, offering to end any negotiations with the Greeks and leave the name of the country as it is now. It is noteworthy that in the UN this state is registered as “The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”.

Comments

[Herculesic]

Yes, let them turn to our website, we’ll come up with a million names for them - Macdonaldsdonia, Macaronia, Malochia -Now and rename !!!

[Tersky]

official Athens had previously agreed to cooperate with Macedonia if that country changed its name, for example, to Northern Macedonia, Upper Macedonia or the Republic of Skopje.

The Macedonians were originally Greeks. That's just why the rest of the Greeks considered them barbarians - a question that is very difficult to answer. Well, you do not like the fact that Macedonia covenants itself with Macedonia, call Greece Hellas, you will again become Greeks. Well, as an extreme option - Pelasgia. And you will be happy ...

[Bully]

Quote: Tersky

Macedonians were originally Greeks

Never Macedonians were Greeks, were Slavs. Here is a quote from the Slavic Kingdom by Mauro Orbini: “Yes, and Macedonia has always been the residence of the Slavs and descendants of Firas (Tira), although some were of the opinion that the Macedonians should be counted among the Greeks. Against the latter opinion, I will refer to the testimony of Quintius Curtius that Alexander the Great definitely distinguished Macedonian from Greek. From this it can be concluded that the Macedonian language was not understandable to the whole army of Alexander, since a good part of it consisted of Greeks "

[protoss]

Well, Droizen, for example, quite clearly separated the Macedonians from the Greeks. it is clear that the Macedonians were strongly Hellenized and bilingual, and therefore freely communicated with the Greeks, but the Greeks did not understand the Macedonian language. they were some kind of distressed Illyrians (very likely) or Thracians (less likely), but hardly Slavs (too early).
so it’s quite possible to rename present-day Macedonia to western Bulgaria, it will be closer to the truth.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Herkulesich

Yes, let them turn to our website, we’ll come up with a million names for them - Macdonaldsdonia, Macaronia, Malochia -Now and rename !!!

Personally, I vote for McDonaldsdonia! It's cool and in the spirit of the times!

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, there is Sakha-Yakutia! Let there be Skopje-Macedonia "..... (by the way, in Yugoslavia I heard such a pronunciation: Skopia ...)

[Zubr]

Well, for me this is completely incomprehensible. If you take in detail .... "Georgia" on the maps of the EU and America, "GEORGIA", and in America there is a state of "GEORGIA". And nothing is normal, do not swear ...

[svp67]

Quote: Zubr

And nothing is normal, do not swear ..

And ... nasty swear only amuse ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Zubr

. "Georgia" on the maps of the EU and America "GEORGIA", and in America there is a state of "GEORGIA". And nothing is normal, do not swear ...

Georgians would gladly start living in "Georgia number two", but only who will take them.

[Zubr]

Georgians would gladly start living in "Georgia number two", but only who will take them. smile

But imagine now the Georgians will raise kipish, and they will demand to rename the state, all the same, do not twist, and Georgia will be older than the American state. Or they will even come up with the idea that they organized this state and will demand free entry without a visa, but how else is the name there, now they will begin to search for ancient roots ...

[Sergey-8848]

It will be much easier for Americans to come up with a new name, a new flag, a coat of arms, an anthem, a favorite plant and a small animal, than contacting such a Georgian relative.
Pomerantseva (Aka Kuzmich) they are not enough from the "Deadly Force" to sue completely. Or Danila Bagrova, but it is temporarily absent. Sorry.

[a housewife]

Your words and Georgians in the ears! And by the way, this Macedonia should require Greece to rename their province. And it is better to reunite this province with Macedonia. And that will be right.

[vlad66]

Quote: Zubr

Georgia "on the maps of the EU and America" ​​GEORGIA ", and in America there is a state" GEORGIA ". And nothing is normal, do not swear.

Well, why should they swear then.

[Zubr]

Very interesting move. What were the motives? As I understand it, they surrendered to the mercy of the winner and asked for help to restore the infrastructure ... Neighing from the heart ....
Something they clearly have in the legislation has an interesting loophole.

[captain]

Quote: vlad66

Quote: Zubr

Georgia "on the maps of the EU and America" ​​GEORGIA ", and in America there is a state" GEORGIA ". And nothing is normal, do not swear.

Well, why should they swear then.

If this is true, you are a plus, if not, then a plus for humor. Only change the flag of Christ, if you are a citizen of Russia.

[Pereira]

Hands off our flag.

[Antares]

Quote: captain

If this is true, you are a plus, if not, then a plus for humor

both are true.
Then, on April 23, 1982, the mayor of Key West, Dennis Wardlow, declared the archipelago an independent republic, arguing that the US authorities arranged an analogue of the border point between them and the mainland. Dennis Wardlow and became the first president of the country. After reading the declaration of withdrawal from the United States, he declared war on the United States, symbolically breaking a loaf of stale Cuban bread on the man’s head in the form of a U.S. Navy. A minute later, Dennis Wardlow announced his surrender and demanded foreign assistance in the amount of one billion dollars. The US authorities did not publicly react to these events, but the patrol was removed. The hype in the US media lasted several days. Proclamation of independence has become a “highlight”, attracting new tourists to the Florida Keys. The republic issues its own passports, which are sold to tourists and everyone through the website.
In 1995, the Republic "invaded" the United States in a small flotilla of civilian and fire ships. This was done in protest against the closure of the local National Park.
Name
Conch Republic, Conch Republic - it was a virtual state

[svp67]

The point is that, according to the Greeks, a neighboring state does not have the right to bear the same name as the Greek historical region.

This Romanians still easily slipped into the EU ....
And on this wave, I look forward to the next attacks from Ukraine ... it will become with them.

[Herculesic]

And rightly so, there is nothing for them in the EU to do, there the independence is quickly taken away from the state, and the economy is completely killed! The economy in the EU is only in selected countries, and the rest are content with handouts from elders!

[Dezinto]

Did some reference lad bite him?

[Igor Polovodov]

The minister seems ponoss ....

[Butchcassidy]

In general, the Greek Minister of Defense in this matter is engaged in its direct responsibility, namely, ensuring the national security of its country.
Let me explain. If a neighboring state bears the name of a historical-geographical region in its name, which is part of your history and geography, then it thereby carries quasi-legal claims on that territory and historical and cultural heritage, the historical name of which it uses.
Claims can be not only at the state level.
Historical examples except Macedonia (FYROM) are Kosovo, Azerbaijan, the Patriarch of Kiev and all Ukraine-Rus.

[Tusv]

Quote: ButchCassidy

I will explain. If a neighboring state bears the name of a historical-geographical region in its name, which is part of your history and geography, then it thereby carries quasi-legal claims on that territory and historical and cultural heritage, the historical name of which it uses.

Oh my God. Belarus! You carry your quasi-legal claims against Us
Wouldn’t go crazy
And what quasi-rightful rights do Albania, Montenegro, Serbia have for Us? After all, they brazenly use Our Coat of Arms, which We stole at one time

[Butchcassidy]

Oh my God. Belarus! You carry your quasi-legal claims against Us
Wouldn’t go crazy
And what quasi-rightful rights do Albania, Montenegro, Serbia have for Us? After all, they brazenly use Our Coat of Arms, which We stole at one time

Strange fantasies, however. Against the background of the misunderstanding of the realities of the Balkan region.

[Tusv]

Quote: ButchCassidy

Strange fantasies, however. Against the background of the misunderstanding of the realities of the Balkan region.

This is an answer right away to your speech about "quasi-legal claims on that territory and the historical and cultural heritage, the historical name of which it uses."
He called four countries. And some garbage is obtained. Only the outskirts show quasi-claims, with the inverted emblem of Rurik, and Lithuania, which stylized the same emblem in the towers of Gedemin, but these are their problems, what do they concern us with? Pure neighing

[Butchcassidy]

This is an answer right away to your speech about "quasi-legal claims on that territory and the historical and cultural heritage, the historical name of which it uses."
He called four countries. And some garbage is obtained. Only the outskirts show quasi-claims, with the inverted emblem of Rurik, and Lithuania, which stylized the same emblem in the towers of Gedemin, but these are their problems, what do they concern us with? Pure neighing

Here, either I, or skis do not ride
First, I have already noted that the Greek Minister of Defense pronounces his words in the conditions of his region, where everyone claims to have drush with a friend. If you personally do not know or do not understand this, then as they say the problems of the Sheriff's Negroes are of little concern. In this case, not the sheriff, but the Greek Minister of Defense;)
Secondly, you allegedly rhetorically ask what this has to do with us and you yourself immediately recall Ukraine. At least contradict yourself. In addition, I did not write about Russia, but about Greece, which has neighbors "Great Bulgaria", "New Ottoman Empire", "Macedonia" and other nice and pleasant people to live. All this against the backdrop of the genocide of the Pontic Greeks in the Ottoman Empire, the tragedy of Enozis and the occupation of Northern Cyprus by the Turks.

[a housewife]

South and North Ossetia! Did any of them have to change the name? What nonsense. There are two Koreas too. Divided Macedonia - now one part should change the name? All these parts separated must come together sooner or later. Germanium was also two. AND?

[Butchcassidy]

Ossetians live in South and North Ossetia and they are part of one whole. Like in Germany.
But not in the case of Greece and FYROM.
PS Even housewives need to learn history and geography.

[a housewife]

Well, what to do, I am illiterate, I get a pension, I put a cross instead of a signature. I don’t know whether Macedonians live in both Macedonia! And, well, yes - Ukrainians live in the Donbass! Not Russians, right?

[Butchcassidy]

And if cabbage soup does not slurp over, then why write such absurdities? Or do not you understand that there can be no unification of Greece and Macedonia (FYROM), but Macedonia claims or can claim part of Greece?

[a housewife]

That is what I am trying to convey. See my comment above. I kind of wrote in Russian !!! Do not want to apologize?

[Butchcassidy]

I don’t know what you meant, but wrote the following:

Quote: housewife

South and North Ossetia! Did any of them have to change the name? What nonsense. There are two Koreas too. Divided Macedonia - now one part should change the name? All these parts separated must come together sooner or later. Germanium was also two. AND?

It is precisely the fact that Macedonia does not stand on a par with Ossetia, nor with Korea, nor with Macedonia, nor Germany. When it comes to a unified geography, a unified history and unified ethnic and linguistic components.
Nobody shared Macedonia, there are different peoples, they have a different history, different languages. And Macedonia and its symbols relate purely to the history of the Greek people, their language and cultural heritage.

Here we are talking about such concepts as the "Macedonian question", "Macedonism" and "Macedonians".

And I have nothing to apologize for, because you obviously do not understand what you are writing about.

[a housewife]

[quote] [/ quote] And, by the way, this Macedonia should require Greece to rename their province. And it is better to reunite this province with Macedonia. And that will be right.
Reply Quote Complaint is a housewife, but does Macedonia pretend or can pretend to be part of Greece?
You and I wrote the same thing !!!!
Arrogance is ugly!

[Butchcassidy]

I’ll go throw my certificates and diplomas with fives in Russian and literature, because I don’t understand what you want to say;)

Given the fact that I found a work language with people of dozens of nationalities, I think that the problem is not in me.

[a housewife]

In pure Russian - the top quote is mine. I say that it is better, in my opinion, that the Greek province of Macedonia joins northern Macedonia, the former Yugoslav. This is clear?
Then your quote - Macedonia may claim to be part of Greece. This is clear?
It means the same thing. This is clear?
I regret trying to talk to you. This is clear?
I won’t do this anymore. This is clear?

[Wolka]

here global problem out of the blue

[23424636]

the Greeks really lost their guiding lines and, unlike Israel, do not value their diaspora, posing as the European Union and not as land for all Hellenes. I have never heard that they opposed the shelling of ethnic Greek villages by the Ukrainian military, although they have a consul in Mariupol .. Only in Razdolnoye village killed more than 10 people, but these debtors cunning Masonic schemes-all the same.

[Lynx33]

Here Greece only forgot to ask. Greece itself destroyed its industry to please the EU and the IMF. Therefore, it has lost influence on external political processes.

[bogart047]

just like the Jews-all of them are wrong and all owe them. Or like the Balts.

[a housewife]

Yes, about like the Jews. The Greeks historically did not like to fight. Their cities fought with each other. But which state at first did not live like that. Russians fought with each other, Germans, French, Asians, Caucasians. The warriors were originally Romans, then Turks. Greeks, Armenians, Jews are born businessmen. And here Greece strives to bargain for something. Indeed, Macedonia will obviously not change its name. In honor of what ?!

[Butchcassidy]

Quote: housewife

I say that it is better, in my opinion, that the Greek province of Macedonia joins northern Macedonia, the former Yugoslav.

Better for you = a threat to Greece’s national security.