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Ministry of Defense of Greece: Name "Macedonia"? Such a country cannot be on the world map

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Greek Defense Minister Panos Kammenos, who heads one of the parties in the ruling alliance, commented on the situation with the "Macedonian issue". The point is that, according to the Greeks, the neighboring state has no right to bear the same name as the Greek historical region. We will remind that earlier the official Athens announced its consent to cooperation with Macedonia, if this country changes its name, for example, to North Macedonia, Upper Macedonia or the Republic of Skopje.


According to Kammenos, his party is not going to make any concessions to Macedonia, rushing into the European Union, as long as there is at least some use of the term “Macedonia” in the name of the country.

Kammenos, who heads the Independent Greeks Party, firmly stated:
We are doing everything possible so that there is no state left on the map that actually steals the name of our historical region.

Ministry of Defense of Greece: Name "Macedonia"? Such a country cannot be on the world map


In turn, a political force is gaining popularity in Macedonia, offering to end any negotiations with the Greeks and leave the name of the country as it is now. It is noteworthy that in the UN this state is registered as “The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia”.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 March 2018 18: 52
    +11
    Yes, let them turn to our website, we’ll come up with a million names for them - Macdonaldsdonia, Macaronia, Malochia wassat -Now and rename wassat !!!
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 27 March 2018 19: 17
      +9
      official Athens had previously agreed to cooperate with Macedonia if that country changed its name, for example, to Northern Macedonia, Upper Macedonia or the Republic of Skopje.
      The Macedonians were originally Greeks. That's just why the rest of the Greeks considered them barbarians - a question that is very difficult to answer. Well, you do not like the fact that Macedonia covenants itself with Macedonia, call Greece Hellas, you will again become Greeks. Well, as an extreme option - Pelasgia. And you will be happy ... yes
      1. Bully
        Bully 27 March 2018 22: 15
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        Macedonians were originally Greeks

        Never Macedonians were Greeks, were Slavs. Here is a quote from the Slavic Kingdom by Mauro Orbini: “Yes, and Macedonia has always been the residence of the Slavs and descendants of Firas (Tira), although some were of the opinion that the Macedonians should be counted among the Greeks. Against the latter opinion, I will refer to the testimony of Quintius Curtius that Alexander the Great definitely distinguished Macedonian from Greek. From this it can be concluded that the Macedonian language was not understandable to the whole army of Alexander, since a good part of it consisted of Greeks "
      2. protoss
        protoss 28 March 2018 00: 43
        +1
        Well, Droizen, for example, quite clearly separated the Macedonians from the Greeks. it is clear that the Macedonians were strongly Hellenized and bilingual, and therefore freely communicated with the Greeks, but the Greeks did not understand the Macedonian language. they were some kind of distressed Illyrians (very likely) or Thracians (less likely), but hardly Slavs (too early).
        so it’s quite possible to rename present-day Macedonia to western Bulgaria, it will be closer to the truth.
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 27 March 2018 21: 17
      +6
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Yes, let them turn to our website, we’ll come up with a million names for them - Macdonaldsdonia, Macaronia, Malochia wassat -Now and rename wassat !!!

      Personally, I vote for McDonaldsdonia! It's cool and in the spirit of the times!
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 March 2018 06: 50
      +1
      Well, there is Sakha-Yakutia! Let there be Skopje-Macedonia "..... (by the way, in Yugoslavia I heard such a pronunciation: Skopia ...)
  2. Zubr
    Zubr 27 March 2018 18: 52
    +7
    Well, for me this is completely incomprehensible. If you take in detail .... "Georgia" on the maps of the EU and America, "GEORGIA", and in America there is a state of "GEORGIA". And nothing is normal, do not swear ... laughing
    1. svp67
      svp67 27 March 2018 18: 56
      +3
      Quote: Zubr
      And nothing is normal, do not swear ..

      And ... nasty swear only amuse ...
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 March 2018 19: 00
      +7
      Quote: Zubr
      . "Georgia" on the maps of the EU and America "GEORGIA", and in America there is a state of "GEORGIA". And nothing is normal, do not swear ...

      Georgians would gladly start living in "Georgia number two", but only who will take them. smile
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 27 March 2018 19: 13
        +4
        Georgians would gladly start living in "Georgia number two", but only who will take them. smile

        But imagine now the Georgians will raise kipish, and they will demand to rename the state, all the same, do not twist, and Georgia will be older than the American state. Or they will even come up with the idea that they organized this state and will demand free entry without a visa, but how else is the name there, now they will begin to search for ancient roots ... laughing
        1. Sergey-8848
          Sergey-8848 27 March 2018 21: 07
          0
          It will be much easier for Americans to come up with a new name, a new flag, a coat of arms, an anthem, a favorite plant and a small animal, than contacting such a Georgian relative.
          Pomerantseva (Aka Kuzmich) they are not enough from the "Deadly Force" to sue completely. Or Danila Bagrova, but it is temporarily absent. Sorry.
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 28 March 2018 13: 02
          0
          Your words and Georgians in the ears! And by the way, this Macedonia should require Greece to rename their province. And it is better to reunite this province with Macedonia. And that will be right.
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 27 March 2018 19: 16
      +8
      Quote: Zubr
      Georgia "on the maps of the EU and America" ​​GEORGIA ", and in America there is a state" GEORGIA ". And nothing is normal, do not swear.

      Well, why should they swear then. laughing
      1. Zubr
        Zubr 27 March 2018 19: 23
        +3
        laughing laughing laughing Very interesting move. lol What were the motives? As I understand it, they surrendered to the mercy of the winner and asked for help to restore the infrastructure ... smile Neighing from the heart .... laughing
        Something they clearly have in the legislation has an interesting loophole.
      2. captain
        captain 27 March 2018 20: 24
        +1
        Quote: vlad66
        Quote: Zubr
        Georgia "on the maps of the EU and America" ​​GEORGIA ", and in America there is a state" GEORGIA ". And nothing is normal, do not swear.

        Well, why should they swear then. laughing

        If this is true, you are a plus, if not, then a plus for humor. Only change the flag of Christ, if you are a citizen of Russia.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 27 March 2018 22: 29
          +2
          Hands off our flag.
        2. Antares
          Antares 28 March 2018 11: 03
          0
          Quote: captain
          If this is true, you are a plus, if not, then a plus for humor

          both are true.
          Then, on April 23, 1982, the mayor of Key West, Dennis Wardlow, declared the archipelago an independent republic, arguing that the US authorities arranged an analogue of the border point between them and the mainland. Dennis Wardlow and became the first president of the country. After reading the declaration of withdrawal from the United States, he declared war on the United States, symbolically breaking a loaf of stale Cuban bread on the man’s head in the form of a U.S. Navy. A minute later, Dennis Wardlow announced his surrender and demanded foreign assistance in the amount of one billion dollars. The US authorities did not publicly react to these events, but the patrol was removed. The hype in the US media lasted several days. Proclamation of independence has become a “highlight”, attracting new tourists to the Florida Keys. The republic issues its own passports, which are sold to tourists and everyone through the website.
          In 1995, the Republic "invaded" the United States in a small flotilla of civilian and fire ships. This was done in protest against the closure of the local National Park.
          Name
          Conch Republic, Conch Republic - it was a virtual state
  3. svp67
    svp67 27 March 2018 18: 54
    0
    The point is that, according to the Greeks, a neighboring state does not have the right to bear the same name as the Greek historical region.
    This Romanians still easily slipped into the EU ....
    And on this wave, I look forward to the next attacks from Ukraine ... it will become with them.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 March 2018 18: 56
    0
    And rightly so, there is nothing for them in the EU to do, there the independence is quickly taken away from the state, and the economy is completely killed! The economy in the EU is only in selected countries, and the rest are content with handouts from elders!
  5. Dezinto
    Dezinto 27 March 2018 18: 59
    +1
    Did some reference lad bite him?
  6. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 27 March 2018 19: 07
    +1
    The minister seems ponoss ....
    1. Butchcassidy
      Butchcassidy 27 March 2018 19: 29
      +3
      In general, the Greek Minister of Defense in this matter is engaged in its direct responsibility, namely, ensuring the national security of its country.
      Let me explain. If a neighboring state bears the name of a historical-geographical region in its name, which is part of your history and geography, then it thereby carries quasi-legal claims on that territory and historical and cultural heritage, the historical name of which it uses.
      Claims can be not only at the state level.
      Historical examples except Macedonia (FYROM) are Kosovo, Azerbaijan, the Patriarch of Kiev and all Ukraine-Rus.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 27 March 2018 19: 57
        +1
        Quote: ButchCassidy
        I will explain. If a neighboring state bears the name of a historical-geographical region in its name, which is part of your history and geography, then it thereby carries quasi-legal claims on that territory and historical and cultural heritage, the historical name of which it uses.

        Oh my God. Belarus! You carry your quasi-legal claims against Us wassat laughing
        Wouldn’t go crazy
        And what quasi-rightful rights do Albania, Montenegro, Serbia have for Us? After all, they brazenly use Our Coat of Arms, which We stole at one time bully
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 27 March 2018 20: 59
          +2
          Oh my God. Belarus! You carry your quasi-legal claims against Us
          Wouldn’t go crazy
          And what quasi-rightful rights do Albania, Montenegro, Serbia have for Us? After all, they brazenly use Our Coat of Arms, which We stole at one time

          Strange fantasies, however. Against the background of the misunderstanding of the realities of the Balkan region.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 27 March 2018 23: 32
            0
            Quote: ButchCassidy
            Strange fantasies, however. Against the background of the misunderstanding of the realities of the Balkan region.

            This is an answer right away to your speech about "quasi-legal claims on that territory and the historical and cultural heritage, the historical name of which it uses."
            He called four countries. And some garbage is obtained. Only the outskirts show quasi-claims, with the inverted emblem of Rurik, and Lithuania, which stylized the same emblem in the towers of Gedemin, but these are their problems, what do they concern us with? Pure neighing hi
            1. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 28 March 2018 09: 28
              0
              This is an answer right away to your speech about "quasi-legal claims on that territory and the historical and cultural heritage, the historical name of which it uses."
              He called four countries. And some garbage is obtained. Only the outskirts show quasi-claims, with the inverted emblem of Rurik, and Lithuania, which stylized the same emblem in the towers of Gedemin, but these are their problems, what do they concern us with? Pure neighing


              Here, either I, or skis do not ride bully
              First, I have already noted that the Greek Minister of Defense pronounces his words in the conditions of his region, where everyone claims to have drush with a friend. If you personally do not know or do not understand this, then as they say the problems of the Sheriff's Negroes are of little concern. In this case, not the sheriff, but the Greek Minister of Defense;)
              Secondly, you allegedly rhetorically ask what this has to do with us and you yourself immediately recall Ukraine. At least contradict yourself. In addition, I did not write about Russia, but about Greece, which has neighbors "Great Bulgaria", "New Ottoman Empire", "Macedonia" and other nice and pleasant people to live. All this against the backdrop of the genocide of the Pontic Greeks in the Ottoman Empire, the tragedy of Enozis and the occupation of Northern Cyprus by the Turks.
      2. a housewife
        a housewife 28 March 2018 13: 08
        0
        South and North Ossetia! Did any of them have to change the name? What nonsense. There are two Koreas too. Divided Macedonia - now one part should change the name? All these parts separated must come together sooner or later. Germanium was also two. AND?
        1. Butchcassidy
          Butchcassidy 28 March 2018 16: 14
          0
          Ossetians live in South and North Ossetia and they are part of one whole. Like in Germany.
          But not in the case of Greece and FYROM.
          PS Even housewives need to learn history and geography. bully
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 29 March 2018 02: 09
            0
            Well, what to do, I am illiterate, I get a pension, I put a cross instead of a signature. I don’t know whether Macedonians live in both Macedonia! And, well, yes - Ukrainians live in the Donbass! Not Russians, right? No.
            1. Butchcassidy
              Butchcassidy 29 March 2018 11: 46
              0
              And if cabbage soup does not slurp over, then why write such absurdities? Or do not you understand that there can be no unification of Greece and Macedonia (FYROM), but Macedonia claims or can claim part of Greece?
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 29 March 2018 15: 43
                0
                That is what I am trying to convey. See my comment above. I kind of wrote in Russian !!! Do not want to apologize?
                1. Butchcassidy
                  Butchcassidy 29 March 2018 16: 40
                  0
                  I don’t know what you meant, but wrote the following:
                  Quote: housewife
                  South and North Ossetia! Did any of them have to change the name? What nonsense. There are two Koreas too. Divided Macedonia - now one part should change the name? All these parts separated must come together sooner or later. Germanium was also two. AND?

                  It is precisely the fact that Macedonia does not stand on a par with Ossetia, nor with Korea, nor with Macedonia, nor Germany. When it comes to a unified geography, a unified history and unified ethnic and linguistic components.
                  Nobody shared Macedonia, there are different peoples, they have a different history, different languages. And Macedonia and its symbols relate purely to the history of the Greek people, their language and cultural heritage.

                  Here we are talking about such concepts as the "Macedonian question", "Macedonism" and "Macedonians".

                  And I have nothing to apologize for, because you obviously do not understand what you are writing about.
                  1. a housewife
                    a housewife 30 March 2018 13: 27
                    0
                    [quote] [/ quote] And, by the way, this Macedonia should require Greece to rename their province. And it is better to reunite this province with Macedonia. And that will be right.
                    Reply Quote Complaint is a housewife, but does Macedonia pretend or can pretend to be part of Greece?
                    You and I wrote the same thing !!!!
                    Arrogance is ugly!
                    1. Butchcassidy
                      Butchcassidy 30 March 2018 15: 14
                      0
                      I’ll go throw my certificates and diplomas with fives in Russian and literature, because I don’t understand what you want to say;)

                      Given the fact that I found a work language with people of dozens of nationalities, I think that the problem is not in me.
                      1. a housewife
                        a housewife 30 March 2018 20: 12
                        +1
                        In pure Russian - the top quote is mine. I say that it is better, in my opinion, that the Greek province of Macedonia joins northern Macedonia, the former Yugoslav. This is clear?
                        Then your quote - Macedonia may claim to be part of Greece. This is clear?
                        It means the same thing. This is clear?
                        I regret trying to talk to you. This is clear?
                        I won’t do this anymore. This is clear?
  7. Wolka
    Wolka 27 March 2018 19: 21
    +5
    here global problem out of the blue laughing
  8. 23424636
    23424636 28 March 2018 04: 02
    0
    the Greeks really lost their guiding lines and, unlike Israel, do not value their diaspora, posing as the European Union and not as land for all Hellenes. I have never heard that they opposed the shelling of ethnic Greek villages by the Ukrainian military, although they have a consul in Mariupol .. Only in Razdolnoye village killed more than 10 people, but these debtors cunning Masonic schemes-all the same.
  9. Lynx33
    Lynx33 28 March 2018 06: 56
    +1
    laughing Here Greece only forgot to ask. Greece itself destroyed its industry to please the EU and the IMF. Therefore, it has lost influence on external political processes.
  10. bogart047
    bogart047 28 March 2018 09: 47
    0
    just like the Jews-all of them are wrong and all owe them. Or like the Balts.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 28 March 2018 13: 15
      0
      Yes, about like the Jews. The Greeks historically did not like to fight. Their cities fought with each other. But which state at first did not live like that. Russians fought with each other, Germans, French, Asians, Caucasians. The warriors were originally Romans, then Turks. Greeks, Armenians, Jews are born businessmen. And here Greece strives to bargain for something. Indeed, Macedonia will obviously not change its name. In honor of what ?!
  11. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy April 2 2018 13: 22
    0
    Quote: housewife
    I say that it is better, in my opinion, that the Greek province of Macedonia joins northern Macedonia, the former Yugoslav.

    Better for you = a threat to Greece’s national security.