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The Pentagon was offended by the statement of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the development of the “Novice” in America

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The US military has never engaged in the development of the nerve agent “Novice”, which, according to London, was used to poison the ex-Colonel of the GRU, Sergei Skripal, reports TASS Pentagon spokesperson Michel Baldanza’s statement.




So a representative of the department commented on the report of the head of the chemical-analytical laboratory of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Igor Rybalchenko that the formula for “Novice” was published in the United States back in 1998 year.

This is an absurd statement. Any suggestion that the US Department of Defense is involved in the development of this chemical is completely false and offensive,
said Baldanza.

Recall Igor Rybalchenko on the program "Sunday Evening with Vladimir Solovyov" said the following:

The fact is that back in the 1998 year, looking through the next version of the spectral library, which is produced by the National Bureau of Standards of the United States, we found there a substance that interested us, because it was an organophosphorus substance. And we understood that it must have a strong lethal effect. Now it turns out that, judging by the name of this substance, it was the very “Newcomer”, А234. He has surfaced.


Former Colonel of the GRU Sergey Skripal and his daughter Yulia were poisoned with the nerve agent 4 of March in Salisbury. London put the blame for this poisoning on the Russian authorities. According to British investigators, Skripali suffered from the substance “Novice”, which was allegedly developed in the USSR.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 27 March 2018 10: 30
    +7
    Moreover, this tool can be manufactured in any suitable laboratory with the appropriate equipment .. Patrons can not be bothered, they built drug lords.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 27 March 2018 10: 35
      +13
      This is an absurd statement. Any suggestion that the US Department of Defense is involved in the development of this chemical is completely false and offensive.

      But the Baldanza didn’t forget that the author of A234 left for the USA? Or is it insignificant from the mattress point of view? negative
      1. For example
        For example 27 March 2018 10: 42
        +9
        "Not developed" does not mean that they did not. The hat is on the thief.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 27 March 2018 10: 43
          +3
          Quote: For example
          "Not developed" does not mean that they did not.

          That's right, but here the mattresses refer to "translation errors." wink
          1. vadson
            vadson 27 March 2018 10: 54
            +8
            Well, push them further along the same RT - prove that they did not produce! could? could. is there a formula? there is. beneficial to them? profitable. guilty.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 27 March 2018 10: 59
              +3
              Mattresses all attempts to justifiably blame them through the media will choke (which they do), although most understand where their legs grow from. But keeping silent and swallowing the baseless accusations of the arrogant Saxons is not an option. Beat the enemy with his own weapons, only with a reinforced concrete evidence base.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 27 March 2018 11: 31
                +2
                Mattresses about their fresh warm "little things" answer, as always:
                - I?! No, it's not me! And the hut is not mine!
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 27 March 2018 11: 35
                  +3
                  Tatyana love The United States is always to blame for anyone, but not for themselves. For them it is an axiom.
                2. Vard
                  Vard 27 March 2018 12: 35
                  +3
                  For these cases, in the Russian language there is a saying ... ssy in the eye ... all of God's dew ...
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 27 March 2018 13: 57
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            mattresses will refer to "translation errors"

            There is also a great invention of bird language. You can talk about something for a very long time, and still the meaning of what has been said will slip away. Western politicians possess it perfectly. And there is also an excellent Western invention in politics, ignoring all the facts, brazenly looking into the eyes and claiming that they “know nothing”, or vice versa, “know everything”, which others are not even aware of. See for example the "debate" at the UN on the topic of chemical weapons in Syria. Classics of the genre.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 27 March 2018 14: 02
              +2
              Quote: Orionvit
              See for example the "debate" at the UN on the topic of chemical weapons in Syria. Classics of the genre.

              And Heather Nauert in the same style avoids "uncomfortable" questions. yes
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 27 March 2018 10: 44
        +1
        Baldanza, breathe deeper !!!
      3. newcomer
        newcomer 27 March 2018 10: 46
        +2
        Pasha, welcome. where did you go, how are you?
        so for them nothing is important at all: the Yankees are diplomatically-faced immoral. here most likely either we can withstand the pressure and the fuse will go out in the west, or they deliberately go to an imminent heated conflict.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 27 March 2018 10: 48
          +3
          Hi Garik! hi All normal, was busy solving current issues.
          Quote: newbie
          or we can withstand the pressure and the fuse will go out in the west, or they deliberately go to an imminent heated conflict.

          Time will tell, but giving slack in such matters is like death! negative
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 27 March 2018 10: 50
            +3
            if we give slack, they will swallow us with giblets.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 27 March 2018 10: 59
              +3
              Quote: newbie
              if we give slack, they will swallow us with giblets.

              What the Naglosaxon tribe has long dreamed of. am
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 28 March 2018 00: 23
            +6
            Quote: newbie
            Pasha, welcome. where did you go, how are you?

            Where was Pasha? I missed you a lot. And I'm in the hospital again. Okay, my son brought at least a laptop and Kizlyar .... The second day they promise to “kick out” for their behavior - their own ward No.6 is all drunk, so they woke up 7 in 4 in the morning and watered ... A ulcer nurse promises the whole ward tumble down on potassium penicillin without novocaine ...
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 28 March 2018 08: 23
              +1
              Hi Aleksey !!! hi drinks Urgent affairs overpowered. wink
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              An ulcer nurse promises the entire ward to fumble over potassium penicillin without novocaine ...

              It smells of frank sadism, you in response to her enema with mustard and horseradish discourage. lol
      4. LSA57
        LSA57 27 March 2018 11: 34
        +1
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        But the Baldanza didn’t forget that the author of A234 left for the USA? Or is it insignificant from the mattress point of view?

        and they forgot that this gas was made in Uzbekistan, as well as that the factory for its production now belongs to them
        Hi Pavel hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 27 March 2018 11: 37
          +2
          Sergey, good day! hi Mattresses and their mongers generally have a selective memory: they only remember what is beneficial to them.
      5. asiat_61
        asiat_61 27 March 2018 12: 09
        +2
        In America, it’s not a poison developer, roughly speaking, he was responsible for ventilation. But you have to give yourself weight.
      6. iaroslav.mudryi
        iaroslav.mudryi 27 March 2018 14: 01
        +3
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        This is an absurd statement. Any suggestion that the US Department of Defense is involved in the development of this chemical is completely false and offensive.

        But the Baldanza didn’t forget that the author of A234 left for the USA? Or is it insignificant from the mattress point of view? negative

        Quote: For example
        "Not developed" does not mean that they did not. The hat is on the thief.

        I agree with you, there is more and more reason to believe that the United States is directly tied in here, we managed to dig up something in open sources, so:
        1) Recall, Igor Rybalchenko on the program “Sunday evening with Vladimir Solovyov” said the following:
        “The fact is, back in 1998, looking at the next version of the spectral library, which is issued by the United States National Bureau of Standards, we found there a substance that interested us, because it was an organophosphorus substance. And we realized that it must have a strong lethal It’s now becoming clear that, judging by the name of this substance, it was precisely that “Newcomer” of A234. It surfaced. "
        DATABASE / NIST98 - the American library of tandem mass spectra of chemical compounds - in the 1998 year, A234 was added to this database, and suddenly disappeared from the 2000 year !? Dennis Rohrbaugh was introduced to the A234 database by a fellow scientist SBCCOM (Soldier Biological Chemical Team) from ERDEC (Edgewood
        Research, Design and Engineering Center, Maryland).
        2) About this center below, but for now what was this Dennis Rohrbaugh doing (from his monographs):
        1998 year

        2000 year

        I do not fully translate the names of the monographs with which the scientist worked, here is the key VX (OS of nerve-paralytic action).
        attention now, xnumx year

        Chemical collection of environmental samples in Iraq:
        Analysis of the presence of chemical warfare agents
        On the use of chemicals against the Kurdish community in Iraq. (Printed in the UK).
        3) Edgewood Research, Design and Engineering Center-experiments with chemical weapons and psychotropic drugs.
        Operation Delirium The original article was published 17 December 2012 year in the publication New Yorker, USA.
        A quote regarding this center and Iraq:
        "... The chemicals tested on the soldiers ranged from tear gas and LSD to deadly nerve agents, such as VX, developed in Edgewood and later fallen into the hands of Saddam Hussein. ...."
        So, VX from USA got to Saddam Hussein, we don’t know directly or through intermediaries, and it doesn’t matter, the main thing is from the USA.
        Source (5 parts in Russian) here:
        1) https://inosmi.ru/usa/20130103/204144744.html
        2) https://inosmi.ru/usa/20130103/204155191.html
        3) https://inosmi.ru/usa/20130104/204156449.html
        4) https://inosmi.ru/usa/20130105/204179137.html
        5) https://inosmi.ru/usa/20130106/204221648.html
        So, we find, read, analyze .... hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 27 March 2018 14: 05
          +3
          hi Thanks for the material and for the links!
          1. iaroslav.mudryi
            iaroslav.mudryi 27 March 2018 14: 09
            +3
            Yours! hi
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 27 March 2018 11: 08
      +10
      Any suggestion that the US Department of Defense is involved in the development of this chemical is completely false and offensive,
      said Baldanza.

      You’re the bulldozer, naturally Putin is to blame for the fact that the United States has not yet destroyed the stockpiles of chemistry.
  2. Vato dobro
    Vato dobro 27 March 2018 10: 35
    +3
    Baldanza (speaking last name) has words, and Rybalchenko has an extract from the document. Who to believe?)
  3. bogart047
    bogart047 27 March 2018 10: 37
    0
    oh, they accused the exceptional without strong evidence ... The poor, now they are crap one's pants
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 27 March 2018 14: 05
      0
      Quote: bogart047
      oh, blamed exceptional without solid evidence

      Like this? Laboratory in Uzbekistan, after the collapse, they oversaw. They dismantled the laboratory in 1999 under the same supervision. A substance developer in the states. Technologically, the states are quite capable of producing any kind of gas. And the main question, who benefits? Certainly not Russia. There is evidence, even indirect evidence, of a whole carriage, especially if you dig deeper into the political submarine.
  4. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 27 March 2018 10: 37
    +3
    This is an absurd statement. Any suggestion that the US Department of Defense is involved in the development of this chemical is completely false and offensive,
    Prove that you did not develop or are not guilty! stop (c) Merkel
  5. newcomer
    newcomer 27 March 2018 10: 37
    +3
    how can a scoundrel be offended? and this Michelle, she was offended, she’s not like that, she’s just waiting for the tram. in short, the whole thing is heating up and moving towards conflict. after all, the Yankees and the kinky, barmalei, having surrendered their positions in Guta, shot their western instructors.
  6. Vadim Zhivov
    Vadim Zhivov 27 March 2018 10: 44
    0
    And that's all about us. wassat
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 27 March 2018 14: 08
      0
      It is understandable, just unpleasant when it stinks, especially from the west. Here, as they say, "The wolf is not afraid of the dog, just does not like it when it barks."
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 27 March 2018 10: 45
    0
    On the thief and the hat is on
  8. ochakow703
    ochakow703 27 March 2018 10: 45
    0
    I will never believe that the Amerzians, having received a fugitive chemist in their dirty paws, would not have pulled out of it not only the periodic table in all its variations, but also the number of hairs on his bald head.
    One feels that it’s going to war ... well, it’s not us who started it.
  9. Yrec
    Yrec 27 March 2018 10: 48
    0
    But they would have taken and said: "Yes, this is us!" and eyes would be downcast. It would be fun. And so nothing interesting.
  10. cedar
    cedar 27 March 2018 10: 49
    +4
    Former GRU Colonel Sergei Skripal and his daughter Julia were poisoned with a nerve agent March 4 in Salisbury.


    An interesting “cinema” is obtained by the arrogant Saxons .. but maybe it doesn’t work, and therefore they become satan.
  11. 1536
    1536 27 March 2018 10: 51
    0
    On the thief and the hat burns! And how can trampucists prove that it was not they who produced and used gas? Offended, he, you see, the damned occupier.
  12. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 March 2018 10: 53
    +2
    This babble makes this LummoxNZA .... and the Merikatos ears stick out in this business as never before! angry
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 March 2018 10: 55
    0
    There were already several versions from the Russian press:
    1) a substance from an English laboratory 2) a substance from an American
    laboratories 3) a substance from a private laboratory of some people who
    it is sold to those who wish 4) a relative poisoned 4) he poisoned himself ...
    The method is usual - they throw a lot of des into the press to drag out time. Counterproductive.
    Just as it was with the Malaysian airliner: either an attack aircraft, then a Ukrainian missile, then
    fighter, then again attack aircraft ...
    When the Defense Ministry began to formally explain something, no one believed him
    because of a dozen previous des.
    1. qQQQ
      qQQQ 27 March 2018 11: 06
      +4
      You can look at it differently, it was just shown that in addition to unsubstantiated accusations of Russia, there can be a huge number of versions that are much closer to the truth. It is not a matter of delaying time, but of trying to simply conduct an investigation as expected: with the development of several versions, etc. Moreover, all these versions to one degree or another were confirmed by facts, not fairy tales, and therefore have a right to exist.
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 27 March 2018 11: 19
      +4
      voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10: 55 The method is normal - they throw a lot of des into the press to drag out time. Counterproductive.

      Finally, they waited, they judged us, in the sense they condemned us! And who?! Those who at the state level, and with the direct support of the government, without trial, they shot people objectionable to the Jewish regime around the world. And not only shot, but strangled and poisoned. AND JUDGES WHO????????
    3. newcomer
      newcomer 27 March 2018 11: 19
      +5
      since when is the Russian Defense Ministry and the government responsible for media versions? yes “stuffing” who did and did at all? journalistic versions prove freedom of speech and reason in the Russian Federation, unlike the West and, in fact, Israel, since you think so. It’s ridiculous: I blame you for the blue snow in St. Petersburg and the yellow in eastern Ukraine, I’m waiting for your evidence about your innocence.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 March 2018 11: 31
        0
        "journalistic versions prove freedom of speech and reason in the Russian Federation" ////

        Is this true? recourse
        There are many versions, but they always have one thing in common: “we are to blame for nothing”,
        "anyone, even aliens, but not us."
        Therefore, all these versions are treated with known doubt.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 27 March 2018 11: 41
          +4
          voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 11: 31 ↑ New
          "journalistic versions prove freedom of speech and reason in the Russian Federation" ////
          Is it so? recourse
          There are many versions, but they always have one thing in common: “we are to blame for nothing”,
          "anyone, even aliens, but not us."
          Therefore, all of these versions are known doubtful.

          Do you hear, "doubtful"! These nonsense we hear every day from our ENEMIES! Even when there is mourning in Russia, they are trying to make it even more disgusting by adding salt. Doubt somewhere in your Jewess, together with your friends angry
        2. newcomer
          newcomer 27 March 2018 11: 50
          +3
          like oaz still so. Listen, why do you think we should be to blame for that’s what they said beyond the puddle? not convincingly, waiting for evidence of your innocence. we generally spit, “Almaz Antey” let you all sing along with purely science. and in this case, everything shows the Yankees at your brothers, and maybe you are involved there, the Yankees disposed of the plant, the traitor chemist at the Yankees. Yes, and not our skate to wave with test tubes. Now we conclude: is it possible that the Yankees do not have this chemical? the funniest thing is that they pre-warmed people with a series about this chemical in advance, and people hops.
    4. Conserp
      Conserp 27 March 2018 11: 39
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Just as it was with the Malaysian airliner: either an attack aircraft, then a Ukrainian missile, then a fighter, then again an attack aircraft ...

      Yours who shot down the plane - they know for sure.

      But ours were not shot down, so we have to build different versions.

      Everything is logical.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 March 2018 11: 45
        0
        We have already talked about the "sub-destroyers".
        I understood the system of your views on the world. Interesting for a sociologist ... but
        uninteresting for further discussions. hi
        1. Victor-M
          Victor-M 27 March 2018 12: 21
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          We have already talked about the "sub-destroyers".
          I understood the system of your views on the world. Interesting for a sociologist ... but
          uninteresting for further discussions. hi

          Looking at the gestures of your allies, you begin to understand that what is needed here is not a sociologist, but someone else, and certainly with a straitjacket.
        2. Conserp
          Conserp 27 March 2018 13: 03
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          We have already talked about the "sub-destroyers".

          And there you chronically shamefully merge and ineptly wag.
  14. pvv113
    pvv113 27 March 2018 10: 57
    +2
    Pentagon offended

    How many righteous anger !!! Wow - innocence hooked! wassat
    1. Russia
      Russia 27 March 2018 12: 07
      +6
      I would cry in their place from insult hi smile
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 27 March 2018 12: 41
        +1
        Maybe it is, we just don’t see lol
  15. Altona
    Altona 27 March 2018 11: 24
    +2
    Quote: For example
    "Not developed" does not mean that they did not. The hat is on the thief.

    --------------------------
    Moreover, the United States has not abandoned chemical weapons, allegedly "could not destroy it." In fact, chemical laboratories operate in the United States with might and main and you can synthesize anything there. And "Novice" is not like the name of the substance, but the name of some special operation of the KGB.
    1. karish
      karish 27 March 2018 11: 35
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Moreover, the United States has not abandoned chemical weapons, allegedly "could not destroy it."

      do not lie and distort, the United States fully complies with the terms of the agreement on the destruction of chemical weapons
      literally a week ago Old 26 explained in detail.
      The fact that the Russian Federation destroyed the chemical weapons before the deadline specified in the agreement (by the way, having received $ 1 billion from the USA for these purposes) does not say at all that the USA is not fulfilling the agreement
      Quote: Altona
      In fact, chemical laboratories operate in the USA with might and main and you can synthesize anything there

      they act everywhere and
      Moscow State Research Institute of Organic Chemistry and Technology. - no one has yet closed.

      Quote: Altona
      And "Novice" is not like the name of the substance, but the name of some special operation of the KGB.


      "Novichok" - a family of organophosphorus toxic agents of nerve-paralytic effect, an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor.
      Work on them began in the 1970s and continued until the 1990s as part of the Tome program, led by Peter Kirpichyov, an employee of GosNIIOKhT, in the framework of which work was carried out on the synthesis of an analogue of the VX chemical weapon developed in the USA [2]. First they received the designation K-84, later - A-230. The family consists of more than one hundred similar compounds [5]. Among the most promising, from the point of view of military use, was the option A-232 ("Novichok-5")
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 27 March 2018 11: 46
        +3
        karish (Alexander) Today, 11: 35 The fact that the Russian Federation destroyed XO earlier than the term specified in the agreement ( By the way, having received from the USA 1 billion dollars for these purposes )

        facts are needed, not excerpts from CNN ...
        1. karish
          karish 27 March 2018 12: 05
          0
          Quote: aszzz888
          karish (Alexander) Today, 11: 35 The fact that the Russian Federation destroyed XO earlier than the term specified in the agreement ( By the way, having received from the USA 1 billion dollars for these purposes )

          facts are needed, not excerpts from CNN ...

          for financing
          Financial support for the Albanian and Libyan chemical weapons destruction programs was provided by the United States of America. Russia received financial assistance from a number of states, including the USA, Great Britain, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Canada. In total, by 2004 Russia received about $ 2 billion.

          by CWC
          The Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on Their Destruction (CWC) was opened for signature by the UN Secretary General in Paris on January 13, 1993 and inentered into force on April 29, 1997.
          Due to the fact that the three possessing states (Russia, the USA, Libya) could not complete the destruction by April 29, 2012, a decision was made at the 16th session of the Conference of the States Parties to the CWC, giving these countries the right to designate the shortest possible terms for the complete destruction of their own chemical weapons stockpiles.
          Russia announces the end date of its chemical disarmament program 31 декабря 2015 года, USA - September 30, 2023, Libya - December 31, 2016.



          "The United States remains committed to the complete destruction of the declared arsenals of chemical weapons by the end of 2023," the Department of State noted.

          have questions ?
          By the way, the Russian Federation was late with its obligations for 2 years.
          Well, who believes that.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 27 March 2018 12: 09
            +2
            karish (Alexander) Today, 12: 05 "The United States remains committed to the complete destruction of the declared arsenals of chemical weapons by the end of the 2023 year," the Department of State noted.

            And this nonsense for whom? !!!! ????? This post is suitable for "Echo ..", or "Rain" which .... do not sculpt zalipuhu !!!!!!!!!
            1. karish
              karish 27 March 2018 12: 31
              0
              Quote: aszzz888
              And this nonsense for whom? !!!! ????? This post is suitable for "Echo ..", or "Rain" which .... do not sculpt zalipuhu !!!!!!

              no, this post is suitable for those who wake up on the morning of January 1, 2024 and say, I told you they won’t do it.
              In the meantime, sit and be silent.
              They are not obliged to do this ahead of the deadline for which they pledged.
              The fact that Russia has committed itself to complete the destruction before the United States is that no one pulled and forced it.
              And of course, this does not in any way say that the United States does not fulfill its obligations under the treaty.
              I have provided you with references to the 16th session of the CWC.
              internationally signed document. Including Russia.
              What are the US not doing?

              Quote: aszzz888
              lepiduyu molds !!!!!!!!!

              Refute.
              1. aszzz888
                aszzz888 27 March 2018 12: 42
                +1
                karish (Alexander) Today, 12: 31 .... Refute.

                All the "evidence" laughing Echo, Rain or Sport Lotto. Adieu.
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 27 March 2018 12: 01
        +2
        karish (Alexander) Today, 11: 35

        MOSCOW, 25 March. / TASS /. The Russian military discovered a toxic substance, similar in its characteristics to the Novichok nerve gas, back in 1998 in the base of the spectral library of chemical compounds of the US National Bureau of Standards. This was stated by the head of the chemical-analytical laboratory of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation Igor Rybalchenko
        More on TASS:
        http://tass.ru/politika/5064174
        "Back in 1998, we were looking at the next version of the spectral library, which is issued by the United States National Bureau of Standards, and this library contains spectral data on the order of 300 thousand compounds and is constantly updated, we found there a substance that interested us, because it was organophosphorus substance. And we understood that it must have a strong lethal effect. Now it turns out that, judging by the name of this substance, it was just the same "Newcomer" A234. It surfaced, "Rybalchenko said.
        1. karish
          karish 27 March 2018 12: 15
          0
          Quote: aszzz888
          we found there a substance that interested us, because it was an organophosphorus substance. And we understood that it must have a strong lethal effect. Now it turns out that, judging by the name of this substance, it was just that same “Beginner” A234. He surfaced "

          Well, I’m sure (maybe this connection was declared at the Institute of Standards, that is, in the public domain) - the MO showed a corresponding screen, a copy of the page, or at least something that it was.
          “The most interesting detail in this story: in the next versions of the database - they usually only expand, replenish all the time, more and more substances - we did not find this record,” Rybalchenko said.

          ah not found and can not prove that it was? belay
          Well, how so, i.e. 2-3 colonels (let's call them conditionally) stole into the monitor, did not make any screenshots, copies, did not report to the authorities --- at least something more that could be shown today and prove --- what it was !!!!
          Note that they (as claimed) by the Moscow Region found these data publicly available in the Institute of Standards catalog.
          This is not a Pentagon archive, there are no secrets, it would be possible to quietly publish a copy of the corresponding page - it seems that you do not need to substitute agents or an entire agent network.
          But no, nothing, no documents - the Defense Ministry said.
          But I do not believe, can I have proof?
          the minimum request
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 27 March 2018 12: 20
            +1
            karish (Alexander) Today, 12: 15 But I do not believe

            Baba Yaga did not believe either. This is your personal grief, for two.
            1. karish
              karish 27 March 2018 12: 21
              0
              Quote: aszzz888
              karish (Alexander) Today, 12: 15 But I do not believe

              Baba Yaga did not believe either. This is your personal grief, for two.

              This is not my grief - this is yours.
              If the MO making such statements with such an evidence base is simply ridiculous
              Although Powell shook the test tube, the MO did not even find the test tube.
      3. Victor-M
        Victor-M 27 March 2018 12: 24
        +1
        Quote: karish
        do not lie and distort

        You cannot keep up with this; here you do not need doping.
        1. karish
          karish 27 March 2018 12: 25
          0
          Quote: Victor-M
          Quote: karish
          do not lie and distort

          You cannot keep up with this; here you do not need doping.

          disprove.
          Why grind with your tongue?
          1. Victor-M
            Victor-M 27 March 2018 12: 36
            +1
            Quote: karish
            disprove.

            Only after your irrefutable evidence that you never lie and do not distort.
            1. karish
              karish 27 March 2018 12: 37
              0
              Quote: Victor-M
              Quote: karish
              disprove.

              Only after your irrefutable evidence that you never lie and do not distort.

              Victor, be healthy.
              Nothing to say ?
              It's better to chew than talk laughing
              1. Victor-M
                Victor-M 27 March 2018 12: 42
                +1
                Quote: karish
                Quote: Victor-M
                Quote: karish
                disprove.

                Only after your irrefutable evidence that you never lie and do not distort.

                Victor, be healthy.
                Nothing to say ?
                Мit's better to chew than talk laughing

                Have a nice one you too.
                So wait and do not worry, otherwise I started to make mistakes. The kid was blown away, there is nothing to cover?
                Courtesy, the best friend is a humbug?wink
      4. Orionvit
        Orionvit 27 March 2018 14: 21
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        Quote: karish
        Among the most promising, from the point of view of military use, was the option A-232

        So what? The first and main question of any investigation, who benefits from this? Russia? Do not make me laugh. So stupid and clumsy provocation, also with chemical warfare agents, that does not climb into any gates. Has the Russian special services forgotten how to poison anyone without "noise and dust" with suspicion of a normal heart attack? And finally, "was there a boy"? Until now, even the fact of poisoning has not been confirmed. Some blah blah blah.
  16. Berkut24
    Berkut24 27 March 2018 11: 47
    +1
    The US military has never been involved in the development of the novice novice

    Here I believe 100%. We received equipment for the synthesis of A234 from Uzbekistan, transported to our States the main developer A234 (who also published the formula) ... Why develop this already "old man", who has already turned 40 when he has everything for its production?
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 27 March 2018 14: 23
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      Quote: Berkut24
      Received equipment for the synthesis of A234

      You might think that the Yankees lack their equipment. I dare to assure you that everything is in order there. Which incidentally cannot be said about Russia.
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 27 March 2018 18: 52
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        The question is not this, but that, based on the characteristics of the chemical composition, it is possible to calculate the country of production. US have the ability to "mow under the USSR"
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 27 March 2018 20: 13
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          Quote: Berkut24
          according to the characteristics of the chemical composition, you can calculate the country

          Has the periodic table changed? The states have every opportunity to reproduce everything they need. In the case of the Skripal affair, it is not worth it. The states over the past few years have announced Russian sanctions, on the basis that Russia is an "enemy of the democratic world." This situation does not stand up to any criticism, nonsense, from beginning to end.
  17. nikolaev
    nikolaev 27 March 2018 11: 54
    +1
    then, perhaps, dear opponents will nevertheless say what they really poisoned Skripal with.?
    Well, as for the “Novice,” we, of course, understand that such an exceptional country like the USA simply cannot develop poison with such an inconsistent name (for example, the name “Experienced” is decent)
  18. Clumsy
    Clumsy 27 March 2018 12: 11
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    Yes, do not care, PROVE that do not produce.
  19. mavrus
    mavrus 27 March 2018 12: 21
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    After all this sripary sabbath, you somehow begin to rethink all the other propaganda tricks of the Western special services. It is clear that the last doubts about the fake nature of “Cases of Polonium Against Litvinenko” have vanished like smoke from white apple trees ... After all, the only argument for Lugovoi’s involvement, “they cannot lie so impudently,” has now disappeared ...
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 27 March 2018 14: 31
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      Quote: mavrus
      you begin to rethink all the other propaganda tricks of the Western intelligence services.

      It’s not just a matter of tricks of the Western special services, they are special services. We were still told in the Soviet Union about the “bestial grin of capitalism”, and we were stupid laughing, calling it “Kremlin propaganda”. And after many years, everything falls into place, and it turns out we always told the truth. Speaking of special services. If Regarding the "Skripal case" (was there a boy?), This is the work of the special services, then they are worthless. For such clumsy work, you need to expel everyone in FIG, without a pension.
  20. Victor-M
    Victor-M 27 March 2018 12: 33
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    Quote: karish
    ah not found and can not prove that it was?

    Evidence of Russia's involvement in Skripal's poisoning in the studio, as well as evidence of MOSAD's non-involvement in this, the true customer and performer aside as always.
    1. karish
      karish 27 March 2018 12: 40
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      Quote: Victor-M
      as well as evidence of non-involvement in this Mossad

      only after evidence of non-involvement in this SVR wink
      Quote: Victor-M
      true customer and contractor as always aloof

      that's for sure
      Member of State Duma committee on security believes Ukraine is involved in Skripal poisoning

      in general, special forces and the foreign intelligence service of Ukraine can only be envied.
      Where to us to them.
      Special forces killed almost all field commanders in the Donbass, and foreign intelligence removed Skripal.
      And most importantly, none of them have ever come across.
      There is something to envy.
  21. Old26
    Old26 27 March 2018 13: 16
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    Quote: bouncyhunter
    And the fact that the author A234 left for the United States did not forget this Baldanza?

    Do you mean Mirzoyanov? And he is not the developer of this substance A-234.

    Quote: For example
    "Not developed" does not mean that they did not. The hat is on the thief.

    Igor Rybalchenko himself did not bring his thought to its logical conclusion on this talk show. And this, in turn, allows the Americans to interpret his statements as accusations against the United States. An almost complete “mirror” to May blurted out ... And frankly, he was too afraid to say too much, and as a result of his statement sometimes looked like some, let's say so ambiguous

    Quote: LSA57
    and they forgot that this gas was made in Uzbekistan, as well as that the factory for its production now belongs to them

    Do not repeat the stupidity that OUR MEDIA is now replicating. Nukus has never had a plant for the production of this substance. There was only a chemical testing ground, and of course the laboratory was with him. The production plant was located in Novocheboksarsk ...

    Quote: asiat_61
    In America, it’s not a poison developer, roughly speaking, he was responsible for ventilation. But you have to give yourself weight.

    Well, he did not answer for ventilation. In the proposal to institute criminal proceedings against him, it was clearly written what position he occupied as the head of the PD Engineering and Research Department at GNIIOKhT. And it is unlikely that he had a specialization in "ventilation", in which case he simply could not know everything and everything. And being the head of the engineering and technical department, the final and intermediate results were included in the list of materials about which he should have known

    Quote: Altona
    Moreover, the United States has not abandoned chemical weapons, allegedly "could not destroy it." In fact, chemical laboratories operate in the United States with might and main and you can synthesize anything there. And "Novice" is not like the name of the substance, but the name of some special operation of the KGB.

    Well, they are destroying it a little bit, but a small amount is not there yet. Moreover, according to the destruction agreement, more precisely, its Wyoming memorandum. 5000 tons were allowed to leave the United States and Russia until that time, until all the countries of the world destroy their chemical weapons. We did not use this memorandum. Americans - used according to the contract.
    The name "Novice" belonged to the themes for creating binary weapons. the main materials used in these options were created on the topic "Tome"
    And you can synthesize anything. And this is not forbidden to anyone. I hope that among the writers there are no such naive people who believe that we not only destroyed chemical weapons, but also destroyed GosNIIOKhT and other structures. I won’t be surprised that research is underway now. Another thing is that on an industrial scale we do not produce (as well as the others that destroyed their chemical weapons). No one forbade research. I do not know, fortunately or unfortunately ...

    Quote: karish
    Quote: Altona
    Moreover, the United States has not abandoned chemical weapons, allegedly "could not destroy it."

    do not lie and distort, the United States fully complies with the terms of the agreement on the destruction of chemical weapons
    literally a week ago Old 26 explained in detail.
    The fact that the Russian Federation destroyed the chemical weapons before the deadline specified in the agreement (by the way, having received $ 1 billion from the USA for these purposes) does not say at all that the USA is not fulfilling the agreement
    Quote: Altona
    In fact, chemical laboratories operate in the USA with might and main and you can synthesize anything there

    they act everywhere and
    Moscow State Research Institute of Organic Chemistry and Technology. - no one has yet closed.

    Quote: Altona
    And "Novice" is not like the name of the substance, but the name of some special operation of the KGB.


    "Novichok" - a family of organophosphorus toxic agents of nerve-paralytic effect, an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor.
    Work on them began in the 1970s and continued until the 1990s as part of the Tome program, led by Peter Kirpichyov, an employee of GosNIIOKhT, in the framework of which work was carried out on the synthesis of an analogue of the VX chemical weapon developed in the USA [2]. First they received the designation K-84, later - A-230. The family consists of more than one hundred similar compounds [5]. Among the most promising, from the point of view of military use, was the option A-232 ("Novichok-5")

    Oh, thanks. It turns out someone else is reading me. good

    Quote: aszzz888
    karish (Alexander) Today, 11: 35 The fact that the Russian Federation destroyed XO earlier than the term specified in the agreement ( By the way, having received from the USA 1 billion dollars for these purposes )

    facts are needed, not excerpts from CNN ...

    This is not an excerpt from CNN. This publication, incl. and from the GNIIOKhT website. and a number of publications that came out with us .....

    Quote: aszzz888
    And this nonsense for whom? !!!! ????? This post is suitable for "Echo ..", or "Rain" which .... do not sculpt zalipuhu !!!!!!!!!

    Well, read the three-volume, which we published EMNIP 2009-2010, "Chemical War". Not only can this be found there, but much more. Interesting materials. Yes, there are many materials that have now become known. Various programs that were developed in the field of chemical and biological weapons. The deadline has passed - access to them has opened.
    And “Echo” or “Rain” - let them operate with gossip ...
  22. Rostislav
    Rostislav 28 March 2018 14: 01
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    According to British investigators, the Skripals were affected by the Novice substance,

    Not according to "data", but according to unfounded statements, since no one has yet seen those "data".
    The author needs to be more careful in his statements.
  23. Angina
    Angina 28 March 2018 21: 52
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    What day am I looking at this photo and I can’t understand: why are some in chemical protection, while others don’t even have a hat on their heads? Can someone briefly explain.