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Putin arrived in Kemerovo and commented on the tragedy

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The Russian president arrived this morning at the site of the tragedy in the city of Kemerovo. Vladimir Putin laid flowers at the facade of the Kemerovo shopping and entertainment complex Winter Cherry, where a terrible fire took 64 human lives. Among the dead are children.


Putin arrived in Kemerovo and commented on the tragedy


A spontaneous memorial was formed at the facade of the Winter Cherry shopping center, to which townspeople and city guests bring flowers, wreaths, icon lamps, children's toys, photos of relatives and friends who died in this nightmarish tragedy. A really pressing tablet "Children, forgive us" is crowned with a real mountain of fresh flowers, which has been formed at this moment in a completely burnt-out shopping center.

After laying a bouquet of flowers in memory of the victims, the president, along with the permanent representative of the head of state in the Siberian Federal District, Sergey Menyaylo examined the facade of the ill-fated building, where the complex of exploration continues.

Recall that during a fire, 64 people died. Currently 13 affected are in clinics. Most of them were diagnosed with carbon monoxide poisoning. In terms of the number of victims, the fire in “Winter Cherry” has become one of the largest stories Russia.

Meanwhile, Kemerovo residents gather for a spontaneous rally in front of the Kemerovo administration building. The townspeople demanded the resignation of the mayor, who went out to speak with the assembled residents of the city.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 March 2018 07: 04
    +22
    There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!
    1. Logall
      Logall 27 March 2018 07: 10
      +35
      Quote: Herkulesich
      There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

      Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives. And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere, but there should be ... Let it be better late, but without them in any way!
      1. purple
        purple 27 March 2018 07: 30
        +50
        Quote: Logall
        And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere

        we have in the shopping center nearby, we don’t have to speak for everyone, but about the checks ... for the sake of the dough, the supervisory authorities will close their eyes. it’s not about inspections, but about responsibility. If the director would be aware that if something happened, he would sit down for 10-20 years and not get dressed in any way, everything would be different
        1. Logall
          Logall 27 March 2018 07: 44
          +16
          Quote: purple
          Quote: Logall
          And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere

          we have a shopping center nearby, no need to speak for everyone

          This is more an exception than a rule ... It is necessary to fix their presence legislatively.
          Quote: purple
          for the sake of the supervisory authorities will close their eyes

          And this is also the fault of the president and not only him - the entire government ... For so many years, nothing to do with corruption is sabotage!
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 06
            +15
            Quote: Logall
            And this is also the fault of the president and not only him - the entire government ..

            The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault. time passes, and old songs do not fall silent.
            For so many years, nothing can be done with corruption - sabotage!

            Well, then all over the world the entire leadership of saboteurs. name at least ONE country in the world that has won corruption. executions for her and they do not help
            1. Dangerous
              Dangerous 27 March 2018 08: 14
              +37
              No need to exaggerate and write nonsense. History will give an assessment of the president’s actions for all the terms of his reign, we only support something, something not. But in a situation where, over the 18 years of rule, the mechanism of interaction between business and inspection bodies has not been debugged, including the president’s fault. These "checks" have long turned into a farce when inspectors come purely for money, and the violation will be written out in any case, but not so serious
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 24
                +11
                Quote: Dangerous
                History’s assessment of the president’s actions over the entire term of his reign

                praised by the people of 18 March of this year
                when inspectors come purely for money,

                Where are the applications to the prosecutor?
                1. Dangerous
                  Dangerous 27 March 2018 08: 34
                  +16
                  Well, what statements? Who needs all this? We had checks, yeahhh .... They dig in the literal sense to every comma, despite the fact that they used specially hired specialists for this check. The impression was that the inspector did not care that everything in the organization worked and functions as it should (in terms of checking it), but how it was all designed was what interests them the most.
                  For example - the IP has its own car, issued on the IP. I have to keep 4 (four!) Magazines daily, write out a ticket every day. but these are trifles, because every morning I have to go to the doctor and put a stamp with the doctor’s signature in the ticket. Okay, right? After all, if I can assume the responsibilities of a mechanic, then I can’t do it by accident. But in the end, taking into account all these requirements, one hell in the wrong place recorded the mileage in the ticket and got a penalty. That's all the checks. kapets
                  1. LSA57
                    LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: Dangerous
                    Well, what statements?

                    extortion
                    Who needs it all

                    who is extorted from
                    They dig in the literal sense to every comma, despite the fact that they used specially hired specialists for this check. The impression was that it didn’t matter to the inspector that everything in the organization worked and functions as it should (in terms of checking it), but this is how it was designed - that’s what interests them the most

                    they would plant one another, the rest of the ardor and reduce
                    For example - the IP has its own car, issued on the IP. I have to keep 4 (four!) Magazines daily, write out a ticket every day. but these are trifles, because every morning I have to go to the doctor and put a stamp with the doctor’s signature in the ticket

                    and what does this have to do with TB in a shopping center?
                    1. Simargl
                      Simargl 27 March 2018 09: 03
                      +17
                      Quote: LSA57
                      and what does this have to do with TB in a shopping center?
                      This has to do with the state of things in general!
                      In the workplace, I conduct, in addition to working with hands, 11 magazines.
                      Some are duplicated in meaning.
                      The only suggestion why so much is to find a “cant” in some and remove the blame from the authorities / enterprises / state.

                      Our whole "effective management" has come down to the following:
                      Once Russian Railways acquired a desert piece of land for landfill. A night watchman was hired to guard the landfill.

                      After some time, the verification found that the watchman works completely without instructions. A special order created the Planning Department with two employees: for writing instructions and for monitoring its work.

                      After some time, it was necessary to check the watchman's work: the Control Department was created with two employees - for direct control of the watchman and for writing work reports. To check the financial discipline of these departments, Accounting was created with a timekeeper and accountant, and for general management, an Administrative Department had to be created with a chief, his deputy and a lawyer.

                      A year later, it was discovered that government spending on the landfill exceeded 18 million rubles. and it was decided to save money.
                      The guard was fired.
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 27 March 2018 09: 10
                        +3
                        Quote: Simargl
                        In the workplace, I conduct, in addition to working with hands, 11 magazines.
                        Some are duplicated in meaning.

                        and again off topic. What does this have to do with TB? checking bribes?
                      2. edmed
                        edmed 27 March 2018 15: 06
                        0
                        "Bottle" Hennessey XQ to this gentleman (comrade)! "yes for more than 100 workers in the directorate, 13 economists, do not sleep, do not eat, fight, how else to optimize costs.
                        Quote: Simargl
                        Our whole "effective management" has come down to the following:
                        Once Russian Railways acquired a desert piece of land for landfill. A night watchman was hired to guard the landfill.
                        After some time, the verification found that the watchman works completely without instructions. A special order created the Planning Department with two employees: for writing instructions and for monitoring its work.
                        After some time, it was necessary to check the watchman's work: the Control Department was created with two employees - for direct control of the watchman and for writing work reports. To check the financial discipline of these departments, Accounting was created with a timekeeper and accountant, and for general management, an Administrative Department had to be created with a chief, his deputy and a lawyer.
                        A year later, it was discovered that government spending on the landfill exceeded 18 million rubles. and it was decided to save money.
                        The guard was fired.
                    2. Logall
                      Logall 27 March 2018 09: 24
                      +9
                      Quote: LSA57
                      What does this have to do with TB? checking bribes?


                      Man, what kind of extortion? Shopping centers are violated by the PPB, and officials cover them by taking money for it ... And all this is put in the rank of the system! The same system of kickbacks, but entailing human casualties ...
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 27 March 2018 09: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Logall
                        and officials cover them up taking money for it ...

                        Is this not extortion?
                    3. Simargl
                      Simargl 27 March 2018 09: 40
                      +11
                      Quote: LSA57
                      What does this have to do with TB?
                      1 - thoughtless Rules, designed primarily to cover higher ones,
                      2 - red tape, when the main thing is to fill out a piece of paper correctly, and not to do the work,
                      3 - mutually exclusive decrees and actions: as an example - make a sufficient number of fire exits, set a good alarm and ... close the fire exits on a lock, turn off the alarm. But at the same time, put the “necessary” signatures everywhere and fill out the documentation correctly.
                      We all So! All for show: look around, make sure!
                      It so happened that our laws act selectively (if I want to, I comply), but it is necessary that everyone enforces everything (and, accordingly, rakes everyone for failure, and not those who "fall under the hot hand).
                      And for laws to be enforced, they must first and foremost be logical!
                      1. LSA57
                        LSA57 27 March 2018 09: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Simargl
                        1 - thoughtless Rules, designed primarily to cover higher ones,

                        actually they are written like charters in blood
                        2 - red tape, when the main thing is to fill out a piece of paper correctly, and not to do the work,

                        do it. it does not interfere
                        3 - mutually exclusive decrees and actions:

                        do not do such. when checking indicate non-compliance
                  2. Surg
                    Surg 27 March 2018 10: 06
                    +5
                    Of course, because they go to knock money, not check. Give them free rein and they will find a bunch of violations in the fire department.
                  3. your1970
                    your1970 27 March 2018 11: 13
                    +2
                    Quote: Dangerous
                    write out a ticket daily. but these are trifles, because every morning I have to go to the doctor and put a stamp with the doctor’s signature in the ticket. Okay so yes? After all, if I can assume the responsibilities of a mechanic, then I can’t do it by accident.
                    -And then everyone will be surprised when the driver NOT the past medical examination will kill ten passengers ...
                    Do you think this is unnecessary? So the owner of the shopping center also considered the faculty to be unnecessary ...
                    You better than him in this context ????
                    1. Dangerous
                      Dangerous 27 March 2018 15: 37
                      0
                      I drive my own car, it’s just that the car is registered on an IP. In fact - the same private car, like everyone else. But I have red tape thanks to checks - like the head of the bus depot. Rave
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 27 March 2018 16: 06
                        0
                        You think it’s nonsense, and the owner of the shopping center thought that the faculty was delirious ...
                        And then the whole country is surprised - ah state of emergency! Ah fuel truck to Moscow popped up and burned out - along with the passengers of the oncoming minibus (as it was 10 years ago) ...
                        and he was so shorter and he also considered nonsense ...
                        With such approaches to laws, everything and trouble in the country
                2. Don
                  Don 27 March 2018 10: 06
                  +8
                  Quote: LSA57
                  praised by the people of 18 March of this year

                  If you still believe that the results announced by the Circus are the choice of the people, then I am very sorry for you, so you are simply afraid of the truth. Assessment of the current regime was expressed by the PEOPLE in Volokolamsk at spontaneous rallies defending their right to life contrary to the affairs of the current regime. And today, right now, in Kemerovo, a spontaneous rally of many thousands is taking place in the city center. The people demand to tell the truth about the hundreds of victims that they themselves saw, saw firefighters and rescuers. Information today is difficult to completely hide, anyway, someone who is conscious will blab. He who has eyes - sees, he who has ears - hears.
                  1. Semen1972
                    Semen1972 27 March 2018 10: 24
                    +6
                    Quote: Donskoy
                    The people demand to tell the truth about the hundreds of victims that they themselves saw, saw firefighters and rescuers.

                    Stop telling lies !!! No one hides the number of victims, not in this case !!!
                  2. 76SSSR
                    76SSSR 27 March 2018 10: 27
                    +6
                    Chapaev would have slapped you from the time sheet at the time - for sabotage and alarmism.
                  3. LSA57
                    LSA57 27 March 2018 10: 31
                    +2
                    Quote: Donskoy
                    If you still believe that the results announced by the Circus are the choice of the people, then I am very sorry for you, so you are simply afraid of the truth.

                    I hear this tale about election fraud before and after every election. go to any social network and see what people say about Putin and the elections. or is everything falsified there too?
                    [quote An assessment of the current regime was expressed by the PEOPLE in Volokolamsk at spontaneous rallies defending their right to life contrary to the affairs of the current regime. [/ quote]
                    do not lie!!! imitations are looking against LOCAL authorities. By the way, your liberal Ksenia vowed to close the landfill orally before the elections. elections were held, the landfill was not closed, Ksenia disappeared
                    And today, right now, in Kemerovo, a spontaneous rally of many thousands is taking place in the city center.
                    reference to the meeting pliz. Or again have heard the OBS?
                    Information today is difficult to completely hide, anyway, someone conscious will blab.

                    Yes, it’s more likely not conscious, but a provocateur like this. and calm down, Putin came for 6 years and you and your kind can’t do anything about it
                    1. Observer2014
                      Observer2014 27 March 2018 19: 52
                      0
                      LSA57 (Sergei) hi Sergey watched the video “Terrorist attack in the Kemerovo shopping center” and I see the mounted film. The frame is being pushed. This is a fake. This is a nasty golem fake. Yes mounted from the place of the fire. But he says nothing.
                  4. astronom1973n
                    astronom1973n 27 March 2018 11: 01
                    +11
                    Quote: Donskoy
                    The people demand to tell the truth about the hundreds of victims that they themselves saw, saw firefighters and rescuers.

                    What hundreds of victims, what are you talking about before, such as you were shot as alarmists !!!!!!! I live in Kemerovo and rumors of hundreds are not true !!!!!! Enough already ....... .. (speak and write) complete nonsense. We have grief in the city, there are just a huge number of technicians and people, rescue workers, everyone plows day and night, dismantles the rubble. The work is being done to eliminate it in full swing. And you are a talker and the like, taking this opportunity write all sorts of trash. Ugh on you and such unchristens like you! If you and people like you let them steer at least a village, you would have ruined it in a matter of days.
                  5. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 27 March 2018 20: 38
                    +4
                    Quote: Donskoy
                    If you still believe that the results announced by the Circus

                    Are you tired of blaming and persuading Putin from branch to branch? I do not like the regime, well, leave the country for permanent residence from the Russian Federation.
                    Debate in a branch about misfortune and grief of people was spread. 64 people died, including 41 CHILD! And you about Putin ... fool
                    I am a father and I can’t even imagine what is happening with my parents now. Here you can’t cover such grief with neither money, nor words, nor landings.
                    I am sorry for the relatives of the victims.
                3. Simargl
                  Simargl 27 March 2018 11: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: LSA57
                  actually they are written like charters in blood
                  Written in blood, but by lawyers, not experts. And they are written in such a way that you walk along the “blade” constantly: you break something.
                  Quote: LSA57
                  do it. it does not interfere
                  Of course! If there is a secretary. And so - I just do not always have enough time.
                  Quote: LSA57
                  do not do such. when checking indicate non-compliance
                  A fire inspector came, asked "why is the barn lock on the fire exit", a policeman came, "why is there no lock?"
                  As far as I remember, locks began to hang in the early 90s. They ruined many lives ...
                  It seems that specially “pitchforks” are put everywhere.
              2. RaptorF22
                RaptorF22 27 March 2018 08: 32
                +1
                I agree whether it is appropriate to write poems when such a tragedy occurred! ! !
              3. x.andvlad
                x.andvlad 28 March 2018 11: 18
                0
                I agree. But blaming Putin for everything is very simple.
                The "infection of dishonesty" blossoms in the country in a magnificent color both at the household and state level. But this is not Putin's fault. Putin needs to organize a tough state program to eradicate this dishonesty.
                Putin is a leader who is physically not enough for all emergency situations in the country. But the leader must lead a tough campaign to eradicate bad faith from people's minds. And this is education with young nails and tough actions of the authorities, and much more.
            2. RaptorF22
              RaptorF22 27 March 2018 08: 30
              +6
              A strange man killed women and children and he rhymes about kittens! !
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 47
                +3
                Quote: RaptorF22n
                A strange man killed women and children and he rhymes about kittens! !

                but not strange people who have blamed Putin for everything for the past two decades.
                and do not rhyme it. so the people express their opinion about such "patriots"
            3. Oorfene Deuce
              Oorfene Deuce 27 March 2018 08: 40
              +13
              In Russia, corruption has become a system, and for many, even a way of life. This is what has been cultivated since the 90s and now has deep roots at all social levels. There was never a real fight against this, but there was a redistribution of the property of legalized bandits and window dressing and fraud (a la Vasiliev-Serdyukov). But the president is certainly not to blame, in the system he created laughing
              1. Stanislas
                Stanislas 27 March 2018 09: 11
                +5
                Quote: Oorfene Deuce
                in the system he created
                It's a lie. Is Stalin's death his work too? Then he began to create this system from birth, for it was forged in the open struggle of the shoe-makers with Stalin's supporters and in their undercover struggle with the moral principles of Stalinist socialism.
                1. Oorfene Deuce
                  Oorfene Deuce 27 March 2018 09: 43
                  +7
                  Stalin, by the way, sons fought. And did anyone at least serve in the current bureaucrats? Below fellow fox wrote about this incidentally.
                  Yes, and about corruption. Of course it existed and always will be. But the scale is already completely different. And no specific actions to stop it are observed and will not be, because bees are like honey. Moreover, she is already not so covered and frank, flaunted that those in power are not shy and not afraid. The system of hypocrisy, cynicism and blasphemy.
                  1. Stanislas
                    Stanislas 27 March 2018 10: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: Oorfene Deuce
                    And there are no specific actions to stop it
                    Are there any observations? As for me, they are.
                    Quote: Oorfene Deuce
                    and it won’t be, because bees are against honey
                    There are no observations, but there are conclusions and a forecast. Wait and see.
              2. LSA57
                LSA57 27 March 2018 09: 14
                +5
                Quote: Oorfene Deuce
                In Russia, corruption has become a system

                didn’t, but was always
                “Bribes, which have become a real misfortune for us, have appeared from time immemorial. A testimony dated 1556 is preserved which mentions a certain clerk who“ took a goose stuffed with coins and took too much promise. ”The payback was terrible - they sentenced the poor fellow to a painful execution. "
                “Once Russian emigrants asked Nikolai Karamzin who came abroad to tell them in a nutshell what was happening at home. The writer needed only one thing -“ They steal ... ”
                “With the help of the Third Gendarmerie, Nicholas I decided to find out which of the 58 governors did not take bribes. Only two of them were found - the Coven governor Afanasy Radishchev, the son of a famous writer, and the Kiev - Ivan Fundukley.

                The tsar did not take any measures and only succinctly commented on the information: "That the Fundukley does not take bribes is understandable because he is very rich, but if Radishchev does not take them, then he is too honest."
                This "system" also came up with GDP?
              3. alstr
                alstr 27 March 2018 09: 16
                +3
                Corruption in our country was cultivated not from the 90s of the 20th century, but from the time of Rurik.
                Yes, even just remember even the Soviet era: pour plumbing, give it to the service station, bring candy to the doctor, etc., etc.
                And in tsarist times it was no better. It is enough to recall what the Ksheshinskaya mansion was built on.
              4. sdc_alex
                sdc_alex 27 March 2018 10: 15
                0
                Quote: Oorfene Deuce
                This is what has been cultivated since 90's and now has deep roots

                and with 90's ... ?? maybe early
              5. 76SSSR
                76SSSR 27 March 2018 10: 33
                +2
                But the liberals are well settled, they do not rule, and therefore they are not guilty of anything. Under any current government, there is reason to blame it for something. Liberasts generally do not take part in the economy of the country, but only criticize everything with national money and talk empty-handed in the Duma and the media. Not fat to you? Nehren not do for the country, but only to master the grants and yell at every corner for the headstock. Ugh, disgraceful.
            4. Fox
              Fox 27 March 2018 09: 23
              +19
              Quote: LSA57
              The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault

              It so happened that our high-ranking officials have very talented relatives. Young Seagulls, Yakunins, Patrushevs and other Matvienki, from childhood become dollar millionaires, manage large companies. In an extreme case, they receive serious government posts. The Russian president himself has repeatedly opposed nepotism and corruption in the highest echelons of power. Nevertheless, the president has to fulfill promises to eradicate unemployment and create jobs for Russians. On the third day after the election, the nephew of the head of state, Mikhail Putin, received the post of deputy chairman of the board of Gazprom. Gazprom, as you know, is going through hard times. Therefore, it is impossible to manage the company’s management without a graduate of the Ivanovo Medical Institute, who is Mikhail Putin. For the sake of objectivity, it must be said that Putin’s eldest daughter does not pretend to be a top manager. She is known to many as Maria Faassen. She married Dutch businessman Jorrit Faassen, who soon became Gazprom's top manager. Once, on a Rublevsky highway, Yorrit in his BMW cut off a motorcade of banker Matvey Urin. The guards of the clipped, took out the bits and broke the windows in Putin’s son-in-law’s car, where his daughter could be. The stupid banker was hotly and did not realize who he was trying to honor. On the same day, the banker was detained by the FSO special group on Novy Arbat. The documents from Matvey Urin were personally taken by the head of the Moscow police department Vladimir Kolokoltsev. The banker was severely punished. 5 banks, a house, a land plot and 441 million rubles were taken from him. “Life imprisoned” Urin add new terms, and he is unlikely to leave prison. A year after this incident, Kolokoltsev was appointed president of the Interior Ministry. How does the Russian economy get rid of nepotism and corruption? Doesn’t get rid of it. Although Deputy Prime Minister Shuvalov, two days ago, he already voiced a radical way from these diseases. He proposed raising the salaries of government officials to the level of heads of major corporations.
            5. tomket
              tomket 27 March 2018 10: 54
              +3
              Quote: LSA57
              Well, then all over the world the entire leadership of saboteurs. name at least ONE country in the world that has won corruption. executions for her and they do not help

              Everywhere where he worked, they approached fire safety from the position of formalism. Namely, it all came down to painting in the fire safety magazine. I do not think that in other places, this issue was approached differently. Our corruption is not the root of troubles, but a disregard for ourselves and for those around us. Plus, disregard for duties and general lack of competence.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 27 March 2018 11: 23
                +2
                Quote: tomket
                Our corruption is not the root of troubles, but a disregard for ourselves and for those around us.

                but this is the point. ubiquitous indifference. "Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself"
                and such videos on the SEA network !!!
              2. Alexsasha77
                Alexsasha77 27 March 2018 11: 35
                +1
                I agree, the truth is 100%
            6. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. 27 March 2018 17: 53
              +1
              Quote: LSA57
              The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault. time passes, and old songs do not fall silent.

              Do you speak cats? When the father of a burned child knocks on your door, you will tell him that in his face, right? Of course you understand that of the letters that I wrote obscene language 1000%!
        2. AlexVas44
          AlexVas44 27 March 2018 09: 53
          +1
          Quote: purple
          If the director would be aware that if something happened, he would sit down for 10-20 years and not get dressed in any way, everything would be different

          Already realized, gives 3 million each. He was late, before, he would have worried about security.
      2. Professor
        Professor 27 March 2018 07: 31
        +27
        Quote: Logall
        Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives

        Be serious. These are not “checks,” but raids of stuffing pockets of inspectors. Do you really think that any major MCHSnik will raise a hand to close a shopping center of this size? Never in my life. Then the question is, why all these "checks"? You can treat Saakashvili as you like, but as President of Georgia, he dispersed to hell all of those inspectors from the fire department, sanitary sanitation, etc. Do you think the number of epidemics or fires has increased? Of course not.
        It is necessary to beat all violators with a ruble. And so much so that they themselves will set the fire alarm "out of harm's way."
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 27 March 2018 07: 44
          +4
          .
          Quote: Professor
          Be serious. These are not “checks,” but raids of stuffing pockets of inspectors. Do you really think that some major MCHSnik will raise a hand to close the shopping center of such an size?
          ------------------- Do you judge Israel? ! By the way, the owner of this institution is your fellow-fan of the golden calf .... And so, yes, I agree only the inevitability of punishment up to life. Confiscation of Property. People are most afraid for their money. And so he sat down and did not get out. -Life. And relatives in the world will go, everything is confiscated. --------------------
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 07: 57
            +12
            Quote: 30 vis
            Do you judge Israel?

            Well, don’t you know how fire inspectors work? belay (not to be confused with firefighters) They work the same way throughout the country - there is a fire extinguisher or not - all no difference, they will issue a warning in any case. And if you put the envelope in, then they won’t write it out. That's why people do not think about fire extinguishers, but about envelopes. hi
            1. Galleon
              Galleon 27 March 2018 09: 46
              +6
              Well, fire inspectors work differently. Those who come to us are normal pros and adequate people, requirements in the case, there is no extortion and cannot be on their part. No need to smear all inspectors indiscriminately, this is not true. And then imagine yourself in their place: if you took the money, you should turn a blind eye to the violations. And how to close, if this is your crime? Firefighters are rampaging and snatching scimitars only in the case of closed and cluttered escape routes - for everything else they give time for elimination.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 19: 08
                +1
                Quote: Galleon
                No need to smear all inspectors indiscriminately, this is not true

                Maybe, but I have not seen others. Everything there depends on the boss, and on his policies. The bulk of this is financial policy. In Samara, the same thing, there are friends. hi
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 07
            +2
            Quote: 30 vis
            . And so he sat down and did not come out. -Life

            shot in China, helped?
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 09: 33
              +3
              Oddly enough it helps! It is enough to sit on the net and read.
            2. Smyrnof
              Smyrnof 27 March 2018 10: 28
              +3
              shot in China, helped?

              And what not?
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 27 March 2018 10: 54
                +1
                Quote: Smirnof
                And what not?

                and they don’t take bribes now ?? belay
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 15: 08
                  +1
                  You can easily find data on the level of corruption in Russia and China in relation to the population yourself. Klava help you.
          3. Professor
            Professor 27 March 2018 08: 16
            +10
            Quote: 30 vis
            .
            Quote: Professor
            Be serious. These are not “checks,” but raids of stuffing pockets of inspectors. Do you really think that some major MCHSnik will raise a hand to close the shopping center of such an size?
            ------------------- Do you judge Israel? ! By the way, the owner of this institution is your fellow-fan of the golden calf .... And so, yes, I agree only the inevitability of punishment up to life. Confiscation of Property. People are most afraid for their money. And so he sat down and did not get out. -Life. And relatives in the world will go, everything is confiscated. --------------------

            No, not in Israel (for the illiterate Israel spelled that way). We have firemen and police very rarely take bribes. The culture is like that. And what kind of faith the owner of this shopping center does not matter. You have the same situation in all shopping centers.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 27 March 2018 08: 39
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              And what faith does the owner of this shopping center have no meaning

              Shtengelov Denis Nikolaevich was born on 14 on May 1972 of the year in the Tomsk village of Gubino, the population of 500 people. Australian citizen.

              In my opinion he is of monetary faith
              1. Professor
                Professor 27 March 2018 09: 42
                +2
                Quote: Vadivak
                Quote: Professor
                And what faith does the owner of this shopping center have no meaning

                Shtengelov Denis Nikolaevich was born on 14 on May 1972 of the year in the Tomsk village of Gubino, the population of 500 people. Australian citizen.

                In my opinion he is of monetary faith

                You were told that a Jew means a Siberian rural Jew. And there is nothing to argue.
                However, it does not matter who the director or owner is. Exactly the same situation in all shopping centers.
                Quote: karish
                I have a fire alarm and sprinklers in my house - and they are also checked with all the requirements and deadlines - in case of problems.

                My company just moved to a new building this week (Check Post sad ) A fire extinguishing system was made for us. Permission to enter was given by everyone including firefighters. Naturally, they did not pay anything to anyone, but simply did everything as provided for by the rules. This order. By the way, the biggest problems were with yours. They forced the transformer for $ 300 to be delivered. I had to put it.
            2. 76SSSR
              76SSSR 27 March 2018 10: 38
              +1
              A Jew without "gilded" little hands is something new. Izya, I beg you ...))
        2. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
          Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 27 March 2018 07: 47
          +7
          Quote: Professor
          Do you really think that any major MCHSnik will raise a hand to close a shopping center of this size? Never in my life.
          Since January 1 of 2007, the state fire supervision authorities have been deprived of the authority to supervise fire safety in the design, construction, reconstruction and commissioning of all capital construction facilities, without exception. Administrative suspension of the facility is possible only if the administrative offense is committed again during the year (Part 2 Article 20.4 Administrative Code). At the same time, administrative practice in the field of fire safety indicates a decrease in recent years in the quality indicators of control and supervision activities. This circumstance is due to the implementation of national guidelines - not to “nightmare” business and reduce administrative pressure. Therefore, one has to constantly face the search for a balance between state supervision and the protection of the rights of entrepreneurs. Meanwhile, it is obvious that the desire to reduce the number of inspections of small and medium-sized businesses cannot be the same for all types of control and supervision. In my opinion, there should not be any time or other restrictions during inspections of state fire control authorities, as this leads to tragedies, as in Kemerovo.
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 27 March 2018 08: 21
            0
            Even big business is not nightmare. The law here is the same for everyone. Based on the results of the inspection, a correction term is issued, which cannot be exceeded by another inspection. They said a year for correction, so not earlier than a year they can check the execution. And for this year, the owner can completely turn off the APS and SOUE.
          2. igorek
            igorek 27 March 2018 08: 49
            +6
            Yes, we have everything. There is a set of rules, there are norms, fire safety rules, everything is painted down to a centimeter. For business, the installation and operation of APS, AUPT, and SUE is the price of the matter. Yes, very, very not cheap. But what is the price when children die? And if the parents of the dead children say that they hate this country, they will be right. Because the whole security system of people's lives is not a system, but some kind of farce. And all you have to do is be responsible and competent and not very greedy (first of all). The tragedy ... It is not striking, but to the depths is indignant at the gouging involved in the security system. Of course, heads will fly. But after all, even a layman I am a professional in APS, APT, SUE) it is clear that all this could not have happened if everyone had moved and performed their duties in terms of security. Mourn for the dead.
            1. Horst78
              Horst78 27 March 2018 08: 57
              0
              Quote: igorek
              I am a professional in APS, APT, SUE

              Colleague? hi I'm from 1999. He studied at VNIIPO Ministry of Internal Affairs in 2001. officers from Major to Lieutenant Colonel who developed the airbags. good
              1. igorek
                igorek 27 March 2018 09: 19
                +6
                Yes, I can call myself a professional (license of the Ministry of Emergencies, type of activity - design, installation, maintenance of APS, APT, SOUE), installation of fires of the entire airport, I’m talking about something. And my education is a higher signalman (reserve lieutenant colonel). Of course, more than one inspection passed, even republican inspections. He flew up to 20000 rubles for improper placement of sensors (near the ventilation systems). I know firsthand about the responsibility of all DLs. Colleague, agree, all that happened is a highly criminal negligence. Moreover, I know people who work at such facilities without any bribes and honestly do everything in accordance with the NPB. Yes, and there are sensible inspectors, and most of them. Once again, tragedy could have been avoided, It just doesn’t fit my head.
                1. dauria
                  dauria 27 March 2018 10: 08
                  +1
                  Once again, tragedy could have been avoided


                  It could be. And you need to start with people - from the top. Heads of the Ministry of Emergencies. And back in 2009 after the "Gray Horse".
                  Of the several serious objects, we have real informal checks with training (triggering sensors, warning, evacuation, rolling up sleeves .... etc.) carries ONE (out of a dozen served by us). This is the FOC of one district. There just scared Chief Engineer. They have not a single tenant (no matter how requested). They do not hesitate to drive mothers with children on alarm, without warning in advance !!!! despite the discontent. And these multi-storey uncontrolled bazaars into which the shopping and entertainment center has turned are just wool, so that the skin is wrapped. And for this, the top, namely the top (from the minister) to drive to the neck. The new one should tremble for his chair, and transmit the trembling to the bottom.
                2. Horst78
                  Horst78 27 March 2018 10: 15
                  0
                  Quote: igorek
                  Colleague, agree, all that happened is a highly criminal negligence.

                  I completely agree. In schools, kindergartens, hospitals, we usually have IP 212-41M. I think this will tell you a lot. Last year 2 times was in the hospital. So there IPR IR-1 (that is, creativity) were sealed by May 2015. Under the standard according to GOST 54101-2010 pr. A, item A1.1 monthly maintenance, and according to the passport every 3 months. That’s the whole conversation. Lie and pray recourse
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 27 March 2018 11: 42
                    +4
                    Quote: Horst78
                    Lie and pray

                    Yes, already ... Now I work in the territory of the "technopark" - the former pr-in, a territory with a bunch of tenants: pr-va, warehouses, plankton workers, etc. (even a sports club is present). The signaling ... Yes, it works (sensitive - it often yells, which is for the better). The warning system is driven regularly ... Of course, there are two grandfathers - safety engineers, they constantly go around, check the premises, and fry the tenants. BUT! Already the third week - nobody (one on vacation, the other fell ill). And then local hucksters began to conduct a “creeping attack”: they began to notice growing heaps of cardboard packaging in the main corridor (we have the last, fifth floor), despite the fact that it was 2 minutes to go to the harbor (downstairs, in the courtyard). Everything would be fine, except for the rest, we have on our floor ... a school of welders (welders, Karl), and next door, through two rooms, is a paint and varnish warehouse (!!!) ... An infernal neighborhood. am He suffered two days ... After he spat and went up the floor, driving all the garbage back to the owners, and strongly recommending that all this be cleaned up. He answered perplexed questions that I was temporarily fulfilling the duties of an inspector. And so on a daily basis. And what about the lobby ?! You will find the horseradish administration, the protection is incompetent in this matter, your own leadership is amorphous (the same huckster). In short, if you want to live, you will not be so confused. So, from yesterday in the aisle - not a box - to see everyone was in a childish mood, even the “welded” ones began to leave extra cylinders below, under the canopy. In short, thunder struck - the rooster crossed himself. That's how we live.
                    1. Horst78
                      Horst78 27 March 2018 12: 44
                      +2
                      Quote: Paranoid50
                      Then he spat and went up the floor, driving all the garbage back to the owners, and strongly recommending that all this be cleaned up. He answered perplexed questions that I was temporarily fulfilling the duties of an inspector.

                      Well done good
                      Quote: Paranoid50
                      Everything would be fine, but only besides the others, we have on our floor ... a school of welders (welders, Karl), and next door, through two rooms, is a paint and varnish warehouse (!!!) ... An infernal neighborhood.

                      But this is chaos negative
                  2. igorek
                    igorek 28 March 2018 16: 06
                    +1
                    Glory, I hear that everyone is shouting that they drove the children to the 4th floor, damn marketing experts, until they get to the cinema a lot of dough ... I’ve imagined it. And if you go to the shopping center, and a meter away from the door there is a trampoline, then a bowling alley, the Voroshilovsky shooter shooting gallery, they immediately put a ticket into the cinema in your hands (a mistake, according to the documents, the cinema is at best, and even a viewing room), and sausage, soap and jeans are seen somewhere in a hundred meters. It will be fun. Premises with a certain number of people (but no more than what the rules determine) located in this room can be located even on the hundredth floor. It turns out that if I went to a lecture on the third and fourth floor at a military school or academy, then I must already get a lot of knowledge. This is to say that everyone speaks lazily, but for some reason I didn’t see sensible specialists ... The investigation will show that the ruble or life is more important.
          3. siberalt
            siberalt 27 March 2018 11: 28
            0
            "Tax holidays" do not suspend fire supervision. Designing and putting an object into operation for supervision is generally useless, since this is not a supervisory fire function by definition. Therefore, at these stages, fire control was in fact a duplicate administrative element. Approximately the same as the presence of a traffic cop on the conveyor of a car factory.
        3. Anatoly Dobry
          Anatoly Dobry 27 March 2018 08: 13
          +5
          Is a fine of three billion rubles? How much are the life and health of people?
          Need personal responsibility of the owner, and so, they wrote out a fine - closed \ renamed LLC and walk on. But here another moment arises, what to do when the owner of a room or a ship lives for example in Australia? How to impose personal responsibility?
          No guys, you can’t fix this, the situation is such that the capitalist makes his fortune at the cost of other people's lives. A man forced to work alienates part of his life from himself. Under capitalism, a person is forced to spend several times more labor than is necessary to satisfy his own need. This is the process of creating and assigning value added.
          Capitalism is killing.
          1. Dangerous
            Dangerous 27 March 2018 08: 20
            +10
            whom does he kill in Europe for example? About 8 years ago, I wanted to get a job in one Western capitalist company, and so I flew by the question: "Why, first of all, can you fire an employee?" And the answer was not for drunkenness or truancy, but for a violation of safety precautions. Because these damned capitalists put TB in the first place. And the fact that in our country is not capitalism is rogues, thieves, bribe takers and criminals. And both on the one hand and on the other. Not all of course, but many
            1. Anatoly Dobry
              Anatoly Dobry 27 March 2018 09: 58
              +1
              No need to tell how things are with TB in foreign enterprises. I myself currently work for the Japanese. All this ostentatious, TB are violated everywhere.
            2. Anatoly Dobry
              Anatoly Dobry 27 March 2018 10: 37
              +1
              The first thing that comes to mind.
              2010 year. As a result of operating a faulty oil well, an oil platform exploded. People died. The oil leak lasted about 80 days. Irreplaceable damage to flora, fauna, coastal zone.

              In the same Kuzbass, everything is pitted with coal pits. Extraction is carried out by poaching methods, taking the development area. Moreover, the seam is not worked out to the end as required by the PRUM (rules for the development of coal deposits). Because deep digging is more expensive. And that non-selected coal, in contact with oxygen and a large mass, spontaneously ignites.
              In 2017, a movement of soil occurred on the territory of one of the coal mines in Kuzbass. He left this dump, for a minute, about a million cubic meters of soil and rock. Gostekhnadzor representatives were not even allowed into the enterprise.

              Grandmas at all costs, all over the world. At the cost of human health and life, at the cost of the well-being of future generations.
          2. karish
            karish 27 March 2018 08: 39
            +6
            Quote: Anatoly Good
            Is a fine of three billion rubles? How much are the life and health of people?
            Need personal responsibility of the owner, and so, they wrote out a fine - closed \ renamed LLC and walk on. But here another moment arises, what to do when the owner of a room or a ship lives for example in Australia? How to impose personal responsibility?
            No guys, you can’t fix this, the situation is such that the capitalist makes his fortune at the cost of other people's lives. A man forced to work alienates part of his life from himself. Under capitalism, a person is forced to spend several times more labor than is necessary to satisfy his own need. This is the process of creating and assigning value added.
            Capitalism is killing.

            my department operates 60 substations throughout northern Israel.
            every year, all substations are subject to inspection by the fire inspection, this is not counting the separate brigade in the department - which deals exclusively with the maintenance and inspection of fire alarm and extinguishing systems.
            are required to conduct 2-per year inspections at each substation.
            nonetheless, the inspection of firefighters is annual and serious at every substation.
            Well, I’m not talking about bribes - it’s just nonsense and when making a prescription - what happens rarely but happens - you need to see how all the controls are on your ears.
            capitalism does not kill - the barracks kill.
            I have a fire alarm and sprinklers in my house - and they are also checked with all the requirements and deadlines - in case of problems.
            Give a bribe to the inspector?
            Not enough money - so that he would risk his place
        4. Vadivak
          Vadivak 27 March 2018 08: 15
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          at some major MCHSnik

          What is the virtuoso performance of the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Tver region
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          2. Simargl
            Simargl 27 March 2018 10: 36
            0
            Quote: Vadivak
            speech by the head of the Ministry of Emergencies of the Tver region
            Yes, he is blue! angry
        5. your1970
          your1970 27 March 2018 11: 22
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          You can treat Saakashvili as you like, but as President of Georgia, he dispersed to hell all of those inspectors from the fire department, sanitation, etc. Do you think the number of epidemics or fires has increased? Of course not.

          and right there:
          Quote: Professor
          It is necessary to beat all violators with a ruble. And so much so that they themselves will set the fire alarm "out of harm's way."

          -you point the first is completely at odds with the second: if disperse everyone reviewers - WHO will punish ??? and what “Has the number of epidemics or fires increased?” Of course not."???

          A split personality is wrong, any specialized doctor will tell you this
          1. Professor
            Professor 27 March 2018 11: 44
            0
            Quote: your1970
            -you point the first completely diverges from the second: if you disperse all the testers - who will punish ??? and for what - "the number of epidemics or fires increased? Of course not." ???

            Punish upon, not the results of the inspection, CEP. Poisoned at your restaurant? You will pay so that none of the neighboring restaurants will think about not fresh products. Have customers been affected by the fire? You will pay so much that all competitors in line will be on fire extinguishing systems.

            Quote: your1970
            A split personality is wrong, any specialized doctor will tell you this

            Are you a specialist?
            1. your1970
              your1970 27 March 2018 16: 12
              0
              Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
              1) that is, first you have to wait until several tens / hundreds of people die - having poisoned / from the fire, and then tear off the money from the owner in favor of the deceased?
              2) and I YOU and did not make a diagnosis, I wrote that:
              Quote: your1970
              A split personality is wrong, any specialized doctor will tell you this
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 27 March 2018 08: 02
        +3
        Quote: Logall
        Need to change the law!

        Who will change it then, if we together voted in the Duma elections for the EP party, representing the interests of the bourgeois? Not ours - theirs.
        Quote: Logall
        The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president.

        Yes, it’s our fault that we elected such legislators adopting such laws, but the president has no right not to sign laws adopted on behalf of the entire people by the Duma.
      4. free
        free 27 March 2018 08: 24
        +1
        Quote: Logall
        Quote: Herkulesich
        There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

        Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives. And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere, but there should be ... Let it be better late, but without them in any way!

        As a result of optimizations, fire protection is breathing. Lack of personal staff can reach 40% in individual units, all this directly affects the speed of evacuation and extinguishing. Plus negligence is human. Plus GPN-u (state supervision) instead of being more strictly controlled simply banged every three years. Plus corruption of officials. And the result of all this mess is tragedy and sorrow of people. They don’t expect flowers from GDP (and without it flowers will bring from a pure heart). From GDP they are waiting for steps to restore order!
      5. 72jora72
        72jora72 27 March 2018 08: 41
        +1
        Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives.
        In the "Winter Cherry" checks were held regularly (this is so, for your information) ........
      6. g1v2
        g1v2 27 March 2018 09: 12
        +7
        Twenty-five again. Each state of emergency has a name, surname and patronymic. A fallen rocket or plane. burnt house or sunken ship. But the guilty do not interest you, right? You just need to throw the feces on the fan? Do not be ashamed to move politics on corpses? Although of course not ashamed.
      7. Moor
        Moor 27 March 2018 10: 07
        +2
        Quote: Logall
        Three years without checks is one of his initiatives.

        The "tax break" you are writing about is a small business privilege. But who and for what money recognized this mall as a small business - this is an interesting question.
        1. would
          would 27 March 2018 11: 37
          0
          With the recognition of small business, everything is clear. The shopping center legally owns more than one individual entrepreneur, it is called “business splitting” on professional slang. For example, we have a training and factory complex on which equipment is assembled as a single complex, students are trained, and this equipment is leased. Actually this is one organization. Formally, three is three legal entities. The law does not directly prohibit this and do so ... well, consider that everything. Not everyone only between IPs do this.

          They do this both to reduce the tax burden and to increase the resistance to typical raiding. Because it is one thing to squeeze one LLCshku, and quite another thing when for example in the whole business scheme there are four LLCshki and one IP.
      8. roofing hedgehog
        roofing hedgehog 27 March 2018 12: 00
        0
        moreover, this and the same hedgehog of the shopping center, their owners re-registered these sheds into small sheds for bribes ..... let's see, the President said to check the entire chain from the beginning of construction to this day, I hope that they will not forget about other similar cunning centers ..yes in any city there are the same centers and the same ghouls-owners .. on the deaths of our children earn money for a comfortable life abroad .....
    2. 210ox
      210ox 27 March 2018 07: 11
      +7
      Bright memory of the dead .. Forgive us children for gouging, do not care, thirst for profit of adults.
      Quote: Herkulesich
      There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 27 March 2018 07: 15
      +2
      Putin managed to lay flowers ahead of Amangeldy Tuleyev. What would that mean? winked
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 27 March 2018 07: 42
        +7
        Quote: siberalt
        Putin managed to lay flowers ahead of Amangeldy Tuleyev. What would that mean? winked

        Nothing at all.
      2. Click
        Click 27 March 2018 07: 54
        +2
        Tuleyev wanted to come yesterday, but he was recommended not to do this, because the motorcade could interfere with the work of ambulances!
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 27 March 2018 08: 55
          +2
          Quote: Click
          Tuleyev wanted to come yesterday, but he was recommended not to do this, because the motorcade could interfere with the work of ambulances!

          and without a large motorcade you can’t ?! he has so many convoys of armored personnel carriers that he can’t get an ambulance? The governor is far from the most populated region, and not the president!
          1. Click
            Click 27 March 2018 09: 14
            +1
            This is not a question for me.
          2. LSA57
            LSA57 27 March 2018 10: 58
            0
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            and without a large motorcade you can’t ?!

            not allowed. count. two three cars with Tuleyev and officials. two at least cars in the traffic police. it's minimum
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 27 March 2018 11: 12
            +3
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            and without a large tuple is impossible?

            I think he was just chickened. The crowd could break it.
            And they were not used to walking on foot. We have governors - kings
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 27 March 2018 11: 39
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              I think he was just chickened. The crowd could break it.
              And they were not used to walking on foot. We have governors - kings

              over, Shevchenko here on the blog told how to meet in Germany, the mayor of a large city arrived by car with a security guard, and he himself was driving. Such savagery is impossible in our country, otherwise the mob will not have any respect for the master! By the way, I wonder if Putin will come out to the people who are now holding a meeting in Kemerovo?
      3. LSA57
        LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 09
        +3
        Quote: siberalt
        Putin managed to lay flowers ahead of Amangeldy Tuleyev. What would that mean?

        Tuleyev’s niece died there. you would be more careful like that with such comments
        1. RaptorF22
          RaptorF22 27 March 2018 08: 37
          0
          Dear, please change your profile picture when such tragedies occur. Writing with such a profile picture is at least unethical
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 49
            +2
            Quote: RaptorF22n
            Dear, please change your profile picture when such tragedies occur. Writing with such a profile picture is at least unethical

            and you are not looking at the profile picture. delve into the meaning of what is written.
            1. siberalt
              siberalt 27 March 2018 10: 58
              +1
              How can you understand your meaning if it is not there? Tuleyev himself said that his distant relative had died, and not his niece, but did not even mention her name. Is he really so shy? winked And the fact that he didn’t even visit the scene of the tragedy, he will soon be leaving, along with his organized criminal group.
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 27 March 2018 11: 27
                0
                Quote: siberalt
                And the fact that he didn’t even visit the scene of the tragedy, he will soon be leaving, along with his organized criminal group.

                well read what people wrote above
                Click (Ivan) Today, 07:54 ↑
                Tuleyev wanted to come yesterday, but he was advised not to, because the motorcade could interfere with the work of ambulances!
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 27 March 2018 11: 08
          0
          Quote: LSA57
          Tuleyev’s niece died there. you would be more careful like that with such comments

          carefully looked at his face, as it is not believed in his suffering
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 27 March 2018 11: 30
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            somehow I can’t believe in his suffering

            and this is your business. you don’t even think that a person has control over himself and how he can help people
            carefully looked at his face

            Did he probably laugh?
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 27 March 2018 11: 40
              +1
              Quote: LSA57
              Did he probably laugh?

              No, I didn’t laugh.
              Quote: LSA57
              that man owns himself

              possibly.
              But yesterday evening I just got drunk.
          2. siberalt
            siberalt 27 March 2018 11: 39
            +1
            You would have looked at the face of the regional chief of fire control when Putin tried to explain to him the difference between tax audits and fire control. Now he will definitely become an accomplice in the case of fire and mass deaths. negative
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 27 March 2018 12: 17
              +1
              Quote: siberalt
              You would have looked at the face of the regional chief of fire control when Putin tried to explain to him the difference between tax audits and fire control.

              so he’s the boss! How did he become one? Whom did he take on staff?
            2. your1970
              your1970 28 March 2018 08: 12
              0
              people not correctly put it - a moratorium is not on tax audits, but on small business audits (including fire supervision)
    4. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 27 March 2018 07: 39
      +14
      The President supports the system devouring human lives, then he is responsible! And the share of guilt in what happened is on his conscience.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 27 March 2018 08: 05
        +1
        Quote: Evgeniy667b
        The President supports the system devouring human lives, then he is responsible!

        And how did the president support something?
        Quote: Evgeniy667b
        And the share of guilt in what happened is on his conscience.

        What is the fault?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 27 March 2018 11: 14
          +1
          I asked myself a question yesterday: were there such fires in Belarus? I could not find the answer on the internet. If not, then the question arises, what is special about them?
          I think the responsibility of people, maybe fear. Also not a bad regulator
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 28 March 2018 02: 25
            0
            There is a KGB in Belarus. winked
      2. Maz
        Maz 27 March 2018 08: 31
        +1
        Sorry, colleague, but there is a silver lining. An excellent occasion to disperse local system specialists and mafiosi. And not one reptile dares to, to yank against.
        1. karish
          karish 27 March 2018 09: 05
          +6
          Quote: Maz
          Sorry, colleague, but there is a silver lining. An excellent occasion to disperse local system specialists and mafiosi. And not one reptile dares to, to yank against.

          and instead the light elves will come
    5. Maz
      Maz 27 March 2018 08: 28
      +1
      Yeah, the president was able to come to the scene of the tragedy personally, and the governor was busy. Worked. Worked. Oh well. There will be a new governor in the Kemerovo region.
      1. siberalt
        siberalt 27 March 2018 11: 46
        +1
        Already after Putin at the meeting said the phrase - “I can still understand when the accident occurs in the mine from methane emissions ... it became clear that Tuleyev was ending his reign.
        The Kemerovo region is "combed" not childishly, but at the same time they will develop a methodology for complex inspections of the subjects of the federation. The nightmare for officials is just beginning. belay
    6. Vend
      Vend 27 March 2018 08: 54
      +1
      Quote: Herkulesich
      There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

      This is so, but for the president this is another opportunity to remove thieves and liberals from their posts. And no one can even make a sound against it. Heads will fly now.
      1. SOF
        SOF 27 March 2018 10: 18
        +4
        Quote: Wend
        Quote: Herkulesich
        There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

        This is so, but for the president this is another opportunity to remove thieves and liberals from their posts. And no one can even make a sound against it. Heads will fly now.

        ... your words to God in the ears.
        Although ... for some reason, I begin to feel the persistent smell of a color revolution.
        ... now they’re talking about hundreds of dead ...
        ... here, in social networks, “heartbroken” relatives began to broadcast political slogans and asked for “maximum repost” ...
        ... now we have gathered a crowd in the square (whether it is Maidan) ...
        ... now they have begun to demand resignations ...
        ================================
        ... I won’t be surprised if soon clashes with the police begin ............. and there will be other "dead", then - sticks, clubs, Molotov cocktails ....
        ... carefully rehearsed Makhnovism begins its run .....
        .... and here, rib, another question arises: does it really take place eerie a tragic case of sloppiness and negligence? ... on Sunday, the first day of school holidays, in a building without windows and doors, built of combustible materials, with the alarm turned off, on the fourth floor, on a trampoline attraction with paralon cubes ............ .............................
        .....................................
        .................... is it really possible .........................
        1. Vend
          Vend 27 March 2018 11: 07
          0
          Quote: SOF
          Quote: Wend
          Quote: Herkulesich
          There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

          This is so, but for the president this is another opportunity to remove thieves and liberals from their posts. And no one can even make a sound against it. Heads will fly now.

          ... your words to God in the ears.
          Although ... for some reason, I begin to feel the persistent smell of a color revolution.
          ...

          And you remember other disasters in Russia. All ended the same way, heads flew. And you should not dream about color revolutions. This does not happen.
          1. SOF
            SOF 27 March 2018 12: 03
            0
            Quote: Wend
            This can't happen

            ... what dreams are there ...
            God grant if the supreme, with his visit, managed to dampen the excitement, and if not?
            Then all hope for Rosguard is that it will become a wall. Question: with weapons? Against who? - People indignant at the death of relatives, relatives, acquaintances?
            And then everything according to the scenario of urkaina - "they are children", then a shot in one direction - a shot in the other ... and away we go ......................
            Enough for the people who, now, are actively brainwashed in social networks in social networks, have the composure and mind to understand that all this is done on purpose?
            P.S. ... read from below ... right below me .... It was not important whether the "newbie" was or not - he was, It doesn’t matter if there are 200 dead or not - they are. Do not find analogies?
            1. Vend
              Vend 27 March 2018 12: 11
              0
              Quote: SOF
              Quote: Wend
              This can't happen

              ... what dreams are there ...
              God grant if the supreme, with his visit, managed to dampen the excitement, and if not?
              Then all hope for Rosguard is that it will become a wall. Question: with weapons? Against who? - People indignant at the death of relatives, relatives, acquaintances?
              And then everything according to the scenario of urkaina - "they are children", then a shot in one direction - a shot in the other ... and away we go ......................
              Enough for the people who, now, are actively brainwashed in social networks in social networks, have the composure and mind to understand that all this is done on purpose?
              P.S. ... read from below ... right below me .... It was not important whether the "newbie" was or not - he was, It doesn’t matter if there are 200 dead or not - they are. Do not find analogies?

              Alexander shouldn’t bring everything together. People have sorrow, but of course there have already been provocateurs who took advantage of this grief. There will be nothing to isolate from the protesters. I saw how specialists competently worked at rallies. I am sure that the rally is already under control.
              1. SOF
                SOF 27 March 2018 12: 35
                +1
                Quote: Wend
                at rallies

                ... yes, at a rally I’ll stack them for you myself ....
                You try to poke them from social networks. And our people are advanced - they don’t believe the mailbox, there is "Kiselevschina", but on the Internet - it’s all true water.
                ... really want to make a mistake ...
                .... at such moments you need to believe in God and in the existence of a Better World ....
                .... the eternal memory of the dead .....
                1. Vend
                  Vend 27 March 2018 12: 41
                  0
                  Quote: SOF
                  Quote: Wend
                  at rallies

                  ... yes, at a rally I’ll stack them for you myself ....
                  You try to poke them from social networks. And our people are advanced - they don’t believe the mailbox, there is "Kiselevschina", but on the Internet - it’s all true water.
                  ... really want to make a mistake ...
                  .... at such moments you need to believe in God and in the existence of a Better World ....
                  .... the eternal memory of the dead .....

                  Yes, with the Internet more difficult. here only common sense will help.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 27 March 2018 12: 19
              +1
              Quote: SOF
              And then everything according to the scenario of urkaina - "they are children", then a shot in one direction - a shot in the other ... and away we go

              do not bring the Lord such. But the power cannot be dispensed with, but the surgeon, and not the pathologist, should do this
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 27 March 2018 12: 18
        0
        Quote: Wend
        this is another opportunity to remove thieves and liberals from their posts

        I hoped for it after the Crimea. Alas.
    7. bazzbazz
      bazzbazz 27 March 2018 09: 40
      0
      You need to understand on the ground. But if the entire top rotted, then on the ground, to the last electrician corruption! And what songs about 64 dead. There, over 200, definitely exceeded! Children were burning in a locked room. Eternal memory to them.
      1. astronom1973n
        astronom1973n 27 March 2018 11: 34
        +4
        Quote: bazzbazz
        And what songs about 64 dead. There, over 200, definitely exceeded!

        Another unholiness! Where did you get the information about 200? Was it yourself there? Or the same balabol as you? What are you provocateur?Admins-ban these provocateurs!
    8. sgazeev
      sgazeev 27 March 2018 09: 52
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

      It looks like the GDP will accept the resignation of Babai. According to a colleague from Kemerovo, not everything was okay in the "Danish" kingdom before. It just grew muddy.
  2. Hadji Murat
    Hadji Murat 27 March 2018 07: 05
    +9
    what will he change? nothing, you need to change the whole rotten system
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 27 March 2018 07: 10
      +4
      Do you know how? Share ...
      1. 210ox
        210ox 27 March 2018 07: 13
        +10
        The rotten system is enshrined in our colonial constitution. Here we have to start with it. [Although this is not the topic now. Sorry quote = Mountain shooter] Do you know how? Share ... [/ quote]
        1. Hammerlock
          Hammerlock 27 March 2018 07: 56
          +2
          don't like living in a colony, go to hell
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 07: 41
        +6
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Do you know how? Share ..

        Lee Kuan Yu - plant three friends ....
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 March 2018 11: 28
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Do you know how? Share ..

          Lee Kuan Yu - plant three friends ....

          the most police country in the world - on one Moscow with an approximate imposition, it is necessary to order 400 000 (!!!!!!) police officers
    2. Alex-a832
      Alex-a832 27 March 2018 07: 25
      +10
      Quote: Hadji Murat
      what will he change? nothing, you need to change the whole rotten system

      An empty slogan with which the pan-headed maydaunas changed the entire “rotten system” on their heads. Tighter business requirements for service security - yes, it’s overdue. Large malls and super-, hypermarkets are big businesses, so they should not be checked by local bureaucrats, but by interdepartmental commissions from other regions, so that there are no corruption “points” on them, and through such “points” violations become invisible. Any checks under the video and keep together with the acts of verification of 10 years, at least. And what for the three-year untouchable period for security control issues ?! Once a year, you need to check at least.
      1. RaptorF22
        RaptorF22 27 March 2018 07: 47
        +4
        Interdepartmental commissions from other regions ??? Do you really believe that officials will not agree with each other ??? It is necessary to attract people and not bureaucrats then it will be a good idea we will not agree with all of them so we will remove the corruption component
        1. Alex-a832
          Alex-a832 27 March 2018 08: 36
          +2
          Quote: RaptorF22n
          Interdepartmental commissions from other regions ??? Do you really believe that officials will not agree with each other ??? It is necessary to attract people and not bureaucrats then it will be a good idea we will not agree with all of them so we will remove the corruption component

          I saw it in action and it works! And attracting the “people” is nothing more than a slogan for simpletons. The specialist under the nose of a layman can turn black into white and vice versa, and he will not suspect anything. The attraction of the "people" in the laws of Russia is used - for example, the institution of witnesses. And it is not as effective as we would like.
          1. RaptorF22
            RaptorF22 27 March 2018 09: 19
            0
            If your specialist who wants to do black and white has independent experts from the people + public control and not your bureaucrats and specialists who are apparently not from the world this time they are not from the people, then it will be much more difficult to hide numerous TB violations! And these are not slogans, but a real opportunity to avoid such tragedies that happened precisely because of the reluctance of the people responsible for security to do their job. Just bureaucrats and hucksters do not want to allow people who could bring them to clean water into their inter-quarters!
            1. sdc_alex
              sdc_alex 27 March 2018 09: 54
              +1
              Quote: RaptorF22n
              independent professionals from the people

              fool Interestingly, you divided everyone ... specialists, officials, businessmen and a mysterious substance - PEOPLE.
              Are specialists, officials and komersants - these are the people? Or are they coming to us from Mars? where did you get the idea that the "people" will be impartial and not interested? who will determine the composition of the checking "people" ?? to pass punishment to the guilty, will the people also ??? are you calling for anarchy? Lynch Court? "area power" ??
        2. karish
          karish 27 March 2018 08: 44
          +4
          Quote: RaptorF22n
          Interdepartmental commissions from other regions ??? Do you really believe that officials will not agree with each other ??? It is necessary to attract people and not bureaucrats then it will be a good idea we will not agree with all of them so we will remove the corruption component

          attract people?
          what a stupid thing.
          people just honestly have to do their job.
          if corruption pervades the entire vertical and it begins precisely from below — from the people — who are the first to give bribes in this food chain.
          people must not be attracted — the mentality of the people must be changed.
          1. B.T.V.
            B.T.V. 27 March 2018 09: 13
            +1
            Quote: karish
            people must not be attracted — the mentality of the people must be changed.


            "You can therefore not be a poet, but you must be a citizen" ...
            1. karish
              karish 27 March 2018 09: 50
              +1
              Quote: B.T.W.
              Quote: karish
              people must not be attracted — the mentality of the people must be changed.


              "You can therefore not be a poet, but you must be a citizen" ...

              Is a citizen ready to share responsibility for a fire extinguishing system in which he does not understand nichrome?
          2. RaptorF22
            RaptorF22 27 March 2018 09: 28
            0
            Stupidity people do not need to attract? Well then, it becomes clear where they come from super specialists who are so afraid of public control and their people are somehow not the same and the mentality in our opinion is wrong, now everything has become clear to me!
            1. sdc_alex
              sdc_alex 27 March 2018 10: 04
              +2
              Quote: RaptorF22n
              some people are not like that and our mentality is wrong

              When people in Germany say that pedestrians should be allowed to cross the road, no one asks questions, and only in Russia the question arises: "Do you need to start passing when you have already stepped on the carriageway or before that? How can I pass? Immediately or later?"
      2. sib.ataman
        sib.ataman 27 March 2018 07: 53
        +1
        The sentence is correct, but who will hear it?
        1. RaptorF22
          RaptorF22 27 March 2018 08: 10
          +3
          We all!!! We are the people. We can if we all unite to overcome this swamp of indifference and indifference of bureaucrats and hucksters.
          1. karish
            karish 27 March 2018 08: 45
            +3
            Quote: RaptorF22n
            We all!!! We are the people. We can if we all unite to overcome this swamp of indifference and indifference of bureaucrats and hucksters.

            the impression is that bureaucrats and hucksters sent to you from Mars.
          2. Alex-a832
            Alex-a832 27 March 2018 08: 49
            +6
            Quote: RaptorF22n
            We all!!! We are the people. We can if we all unite to overcome this swamp of indifference and indifference of bureaucrats and hucksters.

            Enough to pour empty slogans of pan-legged, and even on human tragedy!
            And with such a nickname "RaptorF22n", the question arose about the aspirations of the fate of the Russian people! Doesn't the State Department’s training manual say how to choose a nickname for yourself so that Russians don’t annoy ?!
            1. RaptorF22
              RaptorF22 27 March 2018 09: 42
              0
              It’s clear now it’s clear I’m turning out to be a polemic with a very stubborn person, I suggested a fully working program of action, and it turns out you have nothing to offer, you can’t just cling to Nicky. Apparently you have something like that with a nervousness because the agents of the State Department of Bandera and everything else seem to you you don’t need to sit on topvar but urgently treated because your illness will probably be dangerous to progress and you may become dangerous to others
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 27 March 2018 11: 03
                +3
                Quote: RaptorF22n
                only Nicky cling to. Apparently you have something related to nervousness

                pereobulsya laughing laughing laughing laughing
                RaptorF22n Today, 08:37 ↑
                Dear, please change your profile picture when such tragedies occur. Writing with such a profile picture is at least unethical
          3. vlad66
            vlad66 27 March 2018 08: 53
            +7
            Quote: RaptorF22n
            We all!!! We are the people. We can if we all unite to overcome this swamp of indifference and indifference of bureaucrats and hucksters.

            Maidan? Pan on the head? Thank you, the example of the neighbors is somehow not inspiring, and they fought in Chechnya, for which something does not pull. yes
            1. RaptorF22
              RaptorF22 27 March 2018 09: 52
              0
              I look at your post sadly and I understand that they are very unhappy people who offer them public control to prevent such tragedies and they have pans and other nonsense on their minds with such freaks, we are unlikely to be able to do anything positive for you in Ukraine or the State Department that you love and what’s there 'brothers in mind will be worthy of a friend so to speak though they have a slightly different point of view but I think you will find a common language with them
              1. your1970
                your1970 27 March 2018 11: 34
                0
                Quote: RaptorF22n
                I look at your post sadly and I understand that they are very unhappy people who offer them public control to prevent such tragedies
                - in Soviet times there was such a popular control, yeah ...
                And the people were very fond of participating in this - one could get hold of a deficit, make connections, blat ...

                But you do not know this by age ....
              2. vlad66
                vlad66 27 March 2018 15: 04
                +3
                Quote: RaptorF22n
                you would like to Ukraine or the State Department that you love so much and what is there

                That's when the nickname change your
                RaptorF22n
                then you will accuse someone of love for the State Department.
                Quote: RaptorF22n
                brothers in mind will be worthy of a friend, so to speak, though they have a slightly different point of view, but I think you will find a common language with them

                Required tongue Yes, and they all go there with pots on their heads.
    3. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 27 March 2018 07: 25
      0
      And how do you propose to change?
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 51
        0
        Quote: RaptorF22n
        And how do you propose to change?

        why ask? such as you are one way sweetest, maidan
        1. RaptorF22
          RaptorF22 27 March 2018 09: 54
          0
          Have you heard somewhere about Maidan or is it somewhere in your wet dreams
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 27 March 2018 11: 04
            +2
            Quote: RaptorF22n
            You

            tell WHOM will you poke? or guess it yourself?
    4. Gray brother
      Gray brother 27 March 2018 07: 31
      +3
      Quote: Hadji Murat
      what will he change? nothing, you need to change the whole rotten system

      Oval loves to "change system" @
  3. jovanni
    jovanni 27 March 2018 07: 09
    +4
    Citizens demanded the resignation of the mayor, who went out to talk with the assembled residents of the city

    Yes, in every major city there is a similar center, or even not one. The same materials are used, the same layouts are moronic. Mayors and their children are hardly going to rest there ...
    1. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 27 March 2018 07: 48
      +1
      Children or relatives, often co-owners directly, or through dummies!
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 27 March 2018 08: 06
        +2
        Quote: sib.ataman
        Children or relatives, often co-owners directly, or through dummies!

        In our city, just like that, two shopping centers under the Merz hand and relatives rebuilt, and one shopping center did not miss the examination (for concrete) added additional columns.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 07: 49
      +4
      Quote: Jovanni
      Yes, in every major city there is a similar center, or even not one.

      There is a large shopping center “Rus on the Volga” in Tolyatti, during the reconstruction 2 TB engineers were replaced - people left, not wanting to take responsibility. But the building was still reconstructed.
      Previously, in this shopping center on each floor there was an exit to the street, there were huge windows overlooking the balconies, through which, in case of fire, the same could be saved.
      Now it is a huge building with exits ONLY on the ground floor. request
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 19: 24
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        In Togliatti there is a large shopping center "Russia on the Volga"

        By the way, today all emergency exits were opened, but usually they are all closed.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 March 2018 07: 09
    +6
    How many tragedies have already happened, how many high commissions have been — the result is zero, since people are dying!
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 07: 21
      +9
      If such tragedies happen systematically, then it's time to change something in the system. The question is, will he have enough will?
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 27 March 2018 08: 19
        +2
        Well this is like a sickle to myself .., i.e. Faberge.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 March 2018 07: 10
    +13
    He could not help but come ... Man because ...
  6. XII Legion
    XII Legion 27 March 2018 07: 20
    +22
    What a pity the children!
    A friend lives in Kemerovo - says more than 200 people burned out. Our future.
    Tuleyev sat up - he was selling everything he could, the miners would die, now the children.
    But flowers lay.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 27 March 2018 07: 35
      +5
      Quote: XII Legion
      A friend lives in Kemerovo - says more than 200 people burned out. Our future.

      Would you climb here with your "acquaintances".
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 07: 51
        +11
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Would you climb here with your "acquaintances

        And the fact that the bodies of the dead give out non-disclosure only - did you come up with the same thing on “Matzo Ear”? belay The investigative committee is already making excuses. that this is supposedly a standard procedure.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 27 March 2018 08: 23
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And the fact that the bodies of the dead are issued only under a non-disclosure subscription -

          Isn't that your friend?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 18: 18
            0
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Isn't that your friend?

            Why are you exaggerating? What is, that is, is not necessary.
            Social networks are also actively discussing information that the bodies of the dead are given to relatives only on the basis of the signing of a “security paper”. The signing of such documents is provided for by the criminal procedure legislation and is dictated, first of all, by the interests of the victims
            "- said in the TFR.
            Further, according to the number of deaths - 64 people were only recognized dead
            Now 38 are missingMost of which are children. Of the 64 dead, only 25 victims of the tragedy were identified, 13 of them minors. As for the victims, according to the Kemerovo authorities, 69 people had to be hospitalized.

            Those. 64 died, 38 missing. but I think you understand that they are the same .... all this is creepy.
            But once again I repeat - the government itself gave rise to speculation. hi
            1. Gray brother
              Gray brother 27 March 2018 18: 30
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Why are you exaggerating? What is, that is, is not necessary.

              "Social media is also actively discussed."
              Grandmas at the entrance, too, much is being discussed. Why are you dragging it here? I don’t understand.
              This is not a “certain secrecy paper”, but a document on the non-dissemination of data on the case without proper permission, which means specifically the investigation materials disclosure of which may affect the course of the investigation.

              The document has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of the bodies to relatives; victims, witnesses and suspects sign it.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 19: 10
                0
                Quote: Gray Brother
                "Social media is also actively discussed."

                This is a fragment from the answer of SK, you can easily find the full version on the Internet. And not only on the echo of matzah.
        2. dik-nsk
          dik-nsk 27 March 2018 08: 38
          +2
          link with excuses SK, pliz? they’ve already got fakes on the blood (this is not for you) ... they will sort it out and officially declare how many dead, 64 are those who were declared missing ..
          1. LSA57
            LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 53
            +1
            Quote: dik-nsk
            64 are those who are reported as missing ..

            this is how many bodies are detected
            1. dik-nsk
              dik-nsk 27 March 2018 08: 58
              +2
              оба руж руж "" это это это это this is from the media, I watch a meeting online from Kemerovo
              UPD (11:52) Officials are asking activists to give the names of the missing in order to find out how many were killed.
              “64 is who claimed. So far, only 56 have been found, ”said Tsivilev.
              Tsivilev - Deputy Governor
              1. LSA57
                LSA57 27 March 2018 09: 21
                +1
                Quote: dik-nsk
                Officials are asking activists to give the names of the missing,

                LOST !!!
                to find out how many were dead.

                the dead have already been found. 64.
                where is the logic, find out how many dead times they are already in the morgue ??? find out how many are missing !!!
                1. dik-nsk
                  dik-nsk 27 March 2018 09: 52
                  +3
                  “64 is who claimed. So far, only 56 have been found, ”said Tsivilev.
                  ??? it is not at a point you see ??
                  about activists, the phrase, in continuation of the demands of the rally “tell the truth - there are hundreds”, they were asked to count, then the phrase of the deputy deputy about found (56) and claimed by relatives (64)
                  it seems Russian is written in white - as they read ...
                  and questions about the "truth" to me, I’ve just quoted from a broadcast
                2. Simargl
                  Simargl 27 March 2018 10: 47
                  0
                  Quote: LSA57
                  where is the logic
                  So the fact of the matter is that people can’t think because of stress, or they don’t know how, because of a "big" mind ... but some heat up the crowd due to this.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 27 March 2018 08: 50
        +3
        The echo of Moscow? The voice of provocateurs of which one Pasha Felgenhauer is a graduate of the Faculty of Biology of Moscow State University and an awesome military expert
        2008 performance
        "There will be very heavy losses for the Russian troops and there will be thousandth losses, including for our aircraft. You will have to face a fairly serious Georgian air defense system. You don’t have to drive militants around the North Caucasus. You must understand that you will have to fight for Ossetians and bear very heavy losses. Otherwise, we need to come to a political agreement. I hope that now the fire will stop and the search will begin for Ossetia to return to Georgia. There seems to be no other option. "
      3. XII Legion
        XII Legion 27 March 2018 09: 03
        +15
        I do not like?
        Well, where to climb or not to climb - I can give you similar advice
        1. XII Legion
          XII Legion 27 March 2018 09: 04
          +15
          it's me to gray brother to
          Would you climb here with your "acquaintances"
    2. spirit
      spirit 27 March 2018 07: 41
      +7
      More than 200? !!! Before the inauguration so much could not die, the TV will not lie!
      1. purple
        purple 27 March 2018 07: 44
        +1
        Quote: spirit
        More than 200? !!! Before the inauguration so much could not die, the TV will not lie!

        relatives in Kemerovo live say about 300 ... but again this is all the rumors
        1. Ushly_bashkort
          Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 07: 46
          +14
          There, "eyewitnesses" already write about 600, in a couple of days they will start talking about thousands. Why drag it here? Making farce out of tragedy is at least immoral.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 27 March 2018 08: 12
            +10
            Make a farce out of tragedy
            And remember, in the desert, our Americans shot. the authorities swore that there were only 7, only there were significantly more of them.
            And how many died it is possible to count approximately, where what classes were held? Who was supposed to be in the building, guards, cleaners, teachers? ..
            1. Ushly_bashkort
              Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 08: 18
              +5
              And why keep silent the real number of victims? Or according to official figures, the number of dead and injured is not terrible enough? At my place, women are sitting here and telling each other what the authorities arranged for in order to distract diplomats from all over the world from expelling them. In short, these "tearing the covers" of these fools from work remind me.
              1. Gray brother
                Gray brother 27 March 2018 08: 24
                +2
                Quote: Ushly_bashkort
                In short, these "tearing the covers" of these fools from work remind me.

                But liberal scum reminds me. Worms are cadaveric.
            2. Mestny
              Mestny 27 March 2018 08: 23
              +2
              It depends on how you count. And what's in that moment in my head. If a reasonable person - you get a figure roughly corresponding to the real one. And if you just hate Putin, then millions.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 09: 40
                +4
                smile Do you think that someone here strongly hates Putin? Do not flatter him! In the best case, the attitude is like a person who is tired and must leave, because he is not able to change anything.
            3. spirit
              spirit 27 March 2018 09: 44
              +2
              GDP said that it’s not our people, but Prigozhin, he generally saw 1 time of everything! It's called turning on the back
        2. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 27 March 2018 10: 52
          0
          That is precisely what needs to be indicated that it is rumored, and not in the style of tearing the veils and truth-seeking.
        3. Servisinzhener
          Servisinzhener 27 March 2018 10: 55
          +3
          And why not 3000 or 300000? Not millions personally burned by Putin at the cinema? Maybe we will not spread speculation.
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 27 March 2018 08: 52
        +1
        Quote: spirit
        More than 200? !!! Before the inauguration so much could not die, the TV will not lie!

        still, and then immediately Khodynka pops up in memory, therefore, mourning across the country was not announced
    3. LSA57
      LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 29
      +4
      Quote: XII Legion
      A friend lives in Kemerovo - says more than 200 people burned out.

      I don’t know more than one catastrophe, where the number of victims in the agency OBS (One Grandmother Said) did not increase at times
    4. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 27 March 2018 10: 48
      0
      And where do we get to know that this figure was not invented by your friends. Yes, in general, that such a friend exists.
    5. LSA57
      LSA57 27 March 2018 11: 05
      0
      Quote: XII Legion
      then the miners will die

      in his garden?
    6. astronom1973n
      astronom1973n 27 March 2018 11: 37
      +2
      Quote: XII Legion
      A friend lives in Kemerovo - says more than 200 people burned out.

      I live in Kemerovo. Information about 200 people is a lie and a provocation! Tell someone you know so that you don’t rub all sorts of rubbish and people don’t balamut. And it’s so hard without you balabol-provocateurs.
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    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 07: 53
      0
      Disconnect is not for this. There the goods will deteriorate, repairs again need to be done if the fire-extinguishing system has worked. ChOP most likely wrote off the signal on the remote control to a false alarm. Similar cases of the daughter and more. I already wrote that it is necessary to go through the country’s rink of inspections, and not only regarding fire safety, to prescribe to eliminate as soon as possible, to stop the operation of facilities, if it is impossible to eliminate, to shut it down and to hell, conduct such inspections constantly, fine so that saving on a fire and the rest seemed a mere trifle. Then effective owners and tenants will start to itch.
      1. purple
        purple 27 March 2018 08: 01
        +6
        Yes, no, the water does not pour on its own, there is no control, everything is simple, there are plugs in the nozzles of the sprayers that melt at a certain temperature, and water starts to pour, the main thing is that the pressure in the pipe is all.
        A signal from an alarm, as a rule, often goes directly to the fire department.
        here and often turn it off to facilitate their work
        1. Ushly_bashkort
          Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 08: 08
          +2
          Yes, at 72 degrees. I just saw how the water supply to the extinguishing system was turned off, so as not to let the fuel tank fill in if something happened, I was surprised a lot by such sloppiness.
      2. karish
        karish 27 March 2018 08: 55
        +3
        Quote: Ushly_bashkort
        Disconnect is not for this. There the goods will deteriorate, repairs again need to be done if the fire-extinguishing system has worked. ChOP most likely wrote off the signal on the remote control to a false alarm. Similar cases of the daughter and more. I already wrote that it is necessary to go through the country’s rink of inspections, and not only regarding fire safety, to prescribe to eliminate as soon as possible, to stop the operation of facilities, if it is impossible to eliminate, to shut it down and to hell, conduct such inspections constantly, fine so that saving on a fire and the rest seemed a mere trifle. Then effective owners and tenants will start to itch.

        you confuse a little between fire extinguishing systems and fire alarms.
        Triggering whitefish.
        turns on the voice warning, releases the magnetic locks of the shut-off doors, turns on the alarm, rings the elevators to the lower floor, turns them off with the doors open, turns off the ventilation, turns on smoke removal systems, automatically alerts emergency services - maybe something is forgotten.
        the alarm does not extinguish.
        Sprinklers extinguish - and they open (from the destruction of the holding ampoules) only above the place of temperature increase. (This is to the issue of damage to all goods in T C.)
        i.e. the question is, why was the sprinkler fire extinguishing system not under pressure?
        It is not possible to turn off the sprinklers themselves - the pumps did not work, and why?
        1. Ushly_bashkort
          Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 09: 00
          0
          Yes, I just didn’t write it completely, I already answered a little higher.
    2. LSA57
      LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 30
      0
      Quote: purple
      Yes, there is a fire alarm everywhere, without it the proto shopping centers would not have opened, here the question is in the solution .... ve, they themselves turn off the fire ... so as not to "write"

      the guard who disconnected her has already been detained
      1. Ushly_bashkort
        Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 08: 41
        0
        He chopped off the alert, automatic fire works for fire fighting.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 27 March 2018 09: 25
          0
          Quote: Ushly_bashkort
          He chopped off the alert

          A signal from an alarm, as a rule, often goes directly to the fire department.
          here and often turn it off to facilitate their work

          so I answered about it
          1. Ushly_bashkort
            Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 09: 27
            +1
            Apologizing, I did not understand correctly.
            1. LSA57
              LSA57 27 March 2018 09: 40
              +1
              Quote: Ushly_bashkort
              Apologizing, I did not understand correctly.

              nothing wrong hi
              now many normal people’s head doesn’t work that way
        2. Simargl
          Simargl 27 March 2018 10: 56
          0
          Quote: Ushly_bashkort
          automatic equipment works for fire fighting.
          Not necessary: ​​in order to avoid false triggering - it can be launched by him from a button. There is a person responsible for not pressing the button and switching to manual mode ...
          However, there are many responsible people - this is a system ...
  8. Monetniy
    Monetniy 27 March 2018 07: 48
    +11
    All this tragedy is a consequence of negligence and corruption, and only !!! Vasiliev was released the money returned to her, who is to blame for the theft? No one is to blame, courtship and nepotism are in the highest power. I would like to draw a historical parallel. When nikolashka ascended the throne, too, a bloody tragedy happened on the Khodynka field, as nikolashka finished, everyone knows, we'll see how these six years end ...
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous 27 March 2018 08: 09
      +9
      You would have told him about Nikolashka in person at that time. It is disgusting to read sofas, which, compared to any politician, is a donut hole.
      1. Black joe
        Black joe 27 March 2018 11: 08
        +2
        It is disgusting to read sofas, which, compared to any politician, is a donut hole.

        Right.
        Any statesmen, including nikolashka, are above both sofas and talkers - who suck every word of the leaders like grannies in the mound, not forgetting to lick one place in the ruling clique without any cause.
        Terrible tragedy!
        The kingdom of heaven to all the dead
        1. Bouncer
          Bouncer 27 March 2018 12: 16
          +16
          Black joe
          It's disgusting to read sofas

          I want to clarify something to Black Joe.
          Let not on the topic of terrible tragedy. Here, as they say - without words.
          The fact is that the public on the forum is divided into "sofas" (that is, historians or something like that) and heroic (or at least experienced) warriors. The latter, that is, the former commanders of modern (or relatively modern) tanks or helicopter pilots, believe that, since they are experienced in military affairs, they are a cut above historians ("divannikov"). They will not understand only that their experience only relates to the management of a modern tank or helicopter. This military experience has nothing to do with events of 100 or 200 years ago, and the historian is a cut above this "seasoned warrior".
          If the historian, considering the events of 100 or 200 years ago, resorts to the testimonies of the warriors of those years and applies the conclusions and achievements of the then war veterans, then the commander of a modern tank or a helicopter pilot becomes a “sofa”.
          That is, "Stump" on a historical theme.
          To the tragedy. Many shopping centers are now traps, during the construction and operation of which many norms have been violated. Better to avoid such places.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 27 March 2018 11: 19
      +4
      Quote: Monetniy
      Vasiliev was released the money returned to her, who is to blame for the theft? No one is to blame, courtship and nepotism in the highest power

      this infection has spread to the level of small towns. They look up - they can, but we can not?
      You look, now there are more officials in Russia than in the USSR. The country is smaller, the population is smaller, and there are more officials. And who occupies these places? Children, acquaintances. Will they work out the position? In my opinion, the answer is no.
      This is corruption.
      Never defeat corruption, if a corruption official knows, he will pay off, go to another job, and maybe the order will work (oddly enough, this can happen)
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    1. LSA57
      LSA57 27 March 2018 08: 33
      0
      Quote: Million
      Didn’t the chock Tuleyev come? S * ka from the 90s ..

      more careful !!!! his niece burned down there (((
      Click (Ivan) Today, 07:54 ↑
      Tuleyev wanted to come yesterday, but he was recommended not to do this, because the motorcade could interfere with the work of ambulances!

      did not come?
      1. Million
        Million 27 March 2018 08: 55
        +1
        he would not leave then ...
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 27 March 2018 09: 42
          0
          Quote: Million
          then he would not have left there.

          lap-hopped laughing
          I didn’t come, but as they told why, right there
          then he would not have left there.

          why didn’t you come?
  10. sdc_alex
    sdc_alex 27 March 2018 08: 20
    +3
    Quote: Logall
    Quote: Herkulesich
    There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

    Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives. And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere, but there should be ... Let it be better late, but without them in any way!

    There are warning and fire extinguishing systems, they only turn on only during verification. And as soon as the commission leaves everything is conscientiously disconnected. Because they are afraid of damage from the false response of fire extinguishing systems. A warning system "yelling constantly, about the lack of cause" ....
    In short, the usual human gouging is to blame for everything, as a rule .... and maybe.
    Although I don’t know what is “odd” in this particular case ... the investigation will show.
  11. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 March 2018 08: 50
    +4
    Wherever you throw a wedge everywhere. The authorities will strengthen checks, our capitalists will withdraw the loot abroad. Enemies will rub their hands, the empire is weakening. The system needs to be changed, as they wrote correctly here. A system, in the broad sense of the word, and not just a fire safety audit system. But the guarantor will not do this. And it is not necessary to demand resignations, but work!
  12. cedar
    cedar 27 March 2018 08: 54
    +2
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Professor
    And what faith does the owner of this shopping center have no meaning

    Shtengelov Denis Nikolaevich was born on 14 on May 1972 of the year in the Tomsk village of Gubino, the population of 500 people. Australian citizen.

    In my opinion he is of monetary faith


    Do not forget, dear ones, that in the face of Theresa May's trap she announced an ultimatum to us and pulled 20 countries over the ears to expel our diplomats, and this is a war ...
    And this is military action ...

    We see in the root, dear ones, and we do not allow the enemy to drive wedges between us and Putin.
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!
    1. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 09: 20
      +5
      Eugene, I'm sorry but you write nonsense!
      1. Loess
        Loess 27 March 2018 11: 36
        +2
        Here, many write nonsense ...
    2. tomket
      tomket 27 March 2018 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: cedar
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

      The video is cropped at the time of ignition. Therefore, it makes no sense to discuss it especially. As it appears completely, then we will discuss whether the attack or not.
  13. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 27 March 2018 09: 18
    0
    Quote: Logall
    Quote: Herkulesich
    There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

    Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives. And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere, but there should be ... Let it be better late, but without them in any way!
  14. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 09: 19
    +3
    As long as the ball is ruled by liberal capitalism in Russia, tragedies such as Lame Horse, Winter Cherry, etc. will continue. Mindless worship of the golden calf to the detriment of human lives! Therefore, it is not the mayor who demands resignation.
    Once again, condolences to family and friends!
    1. cedar
      cedar 27 March 2018 09: 27
      +4
      Russia has enemies and this is an indisputable fact of its centuries-old history ...
      They are often disguised and may even express condolences, but at the same time their enemy essence remains and it must be seen and distinguished in order to win.
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 15: 10
        +1
        smile Indeed, Eugene, even you are poorly disguised.
  15. Fox
    Fox 27 March 2018 09: 25
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    You can treat Saakashvili as you like,

    I agree to 100500. Georgia responds very well about it ... our people went crazy, they didn’t take bribes and extort money !!! road-song ... compared with Abkhazia, wept ...
    1. Loess
      Loess 27 March 2018 11: 41
      +1
      19 years as a motorist, the "gay" have never even hinted, to blame - get a receipt, not to blame - have a good trip ... Maybe the "gay" weren’t the right ones? Or should I offer it myself?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 18: 54
        0
        Quote: Less
        19 years as a car enthusiast, the "gay" have never even hinted,

        Where do you live? belay The last five years, yes, they almost didn’t take it, but 10 years ago they simply hinted very thickly, otherwise they promised to withdraw the rights (not for drinking). And already 19 years ago .... everyone is dancing !!! good
  16. Artem Golovin
    Artem Golovin 27 March 2018 10: 01
    +4
    Lsa57, trying to tell you that you need to start with yourself. Most of the Russians give money here or there every day ... here to the traffic cop, there checking someone - it’s easier because (One is easier, and the other is more profitable.
    You know, this is from the series: what Putin brought the country to in 18 years, you bastard ... and throw garbage out the window! ((Start with yourself: messed up on the road - don’t give a bribe, but answer according to the law. We caught a child with a bag of dope: don’t pay the police on the spot - let them answer as a child, or weakly, let others solve the corruption problem, but in this particular case I will solve it, and tomorrow I will take up the fight and shout: Down with the bloody witch !!! (
    1. naidas
      naidas 27 March 2018 10: 44
      +2
      Quote: Artem Golovin
      you need to start with yourself

      It's about paying taxes and sleeping soundly on a bench at the entrance.
      So that, as you write, one must live with dignity financially, and not when the state is ready to take everything away from the people, but only a part of what they have gained from the servants of the people.
  17. cedar
    cedar 27 March 2018 10: 10
    +1
    Quote: Fox
    Quote: Professor
    You can treat Saakashvili as you like,

    I agree to 100500. Georgia responds very well about it ... our people went crazy, they didn’t take bribes and extort money !!! road-song ... compared with Abkhazia, wept ...


    How is it "Anything ..?"
    08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. The attack of Georgia led by Saakashvili on South Ossetia. Tskhinval and the Jewish quarter of the capital of South Ossetia destroyed, numerous victims of civilians. Professor, you did not know this, you forgot this, you are not a Jew ..?
    Such are the curved historical roads of Saakashvili and his American-Israeli owners ... and the corresponding songs of his cover group ...
    See the root, dear ...
    Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: cedar
      Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

      Sovereignty. Russia. People. wink
  18. Smyrnof
    Smyrnof 27 March 2018 10: 22
    +1
    Gentlemen, we live who is to blame, it doesn’t matter in fact, but one thing is clear like a white light LAME HORSE motor ship BULGARIA drowned children on SYAMOZERA, etc. How many small emergency situations and how many such where there are no victims of people, we don’t know about them
    In fact, after the collapse of the USSR, nothing sensible was built except that it could kill (missiles, tanks, submarines, etc.)
    1. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 27 March 2018 10: 47
      +1
      Hospitals, schools and kindergartens do not count? plants?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 18: 57
        0
        Quote: sdc_alex
        Hospitals, schools and kindergartens do not count? plants?
        Where?? belay Especially about the plants in more detail.
        1. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 27 March 2018 19: 29
          0
          to vskidku:
          http://www.tvsz.ru
          http://www.gazprom.ru/about/production/projects/a
          mur-gpp /
          http://rus.vrw.ru/page/novye-zavody-i-ceha-rossii
          -v-2017-godu

          School - example: http: //shkola-53.rf
          I can give you such a list of pages on 3-4
          open your eyes wider ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 19: 32
            0
            Quote: sdc_alex
            open your eyes wider.

            Remove the pink glasses. I know the situation with the "new" factories in Togliatti and Samara without websites. hi
            1. sdc_alex
              sdc_alex 27 March 2018 19: 34
              0
              Close classmates and go outside, the situation around the country I know without proverbial sites. wink
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 19: 35
                0
                Quote: sdc_alex
                Classmates close

                The only social network where I sit is VO.
    2. your1970
      your1970 27 March 2018 11: 48
      +1
      Quote: Smirnof
      Gentlemen, we live who is to blame, it doesn’t matter in fact, but one thing is clear like a white light LAME HORSE motor ship BULGARIA drowned children on SYAMOZERA, etc. How many small emergency situations and how many such where there are no victims of people, we don’t know about them
      In fact, after the collapse of the USSR, nothing sensible was built except that it could kill (missiles, tanks, submarines, etc.)

      - if you have not been told this, this does not mean that this was not ...
      1) a ship in Ulyanovsk in the 70s under the bridge
      2) "Admiral Nakhimov"
      3) the marshal burned out at the spaceport (and with him a bunch of scientists / military)
      4) emission at the Mayak
      5) Chernobyl
      6) Sverdlovsk -19 (epidemic)
      7) Saratov, 74th, typhoid (!!) (up to 600 dead)
      8) the pensioners' house burned down in our country in 1978 - 92 dead
      9) the explosion of trains near Ufa, 1989, 575 people were killed (according to other sources 645), 181 of them were children
      10) collision of aircraft with Pakhtakor, 1979
      11) and further, further
      "But he has nothing to do with it, as always." - and "dear Leonid Ilyich !!" for some reason, too, had nothing to do with it ...
      1. Z_G_R
        Z_G_R 27 March 2018 13: 51
        0
        Nobody argues, but at least in the USSR the real culprits of this or that event were punished. Plus, it’s worth noting that you listed an emergency for 50 years, and half of them are technical in nature, when there was no information that such a thing was possible. Like an ejection on the lighthouse. Epidemics are also such an example; epidemics arose around the world in those days. Well, trains with Chernobyl are not quite the USSR, Gorbachev is already starting his restructuring. As a result, we have disasters, but for half a century there are not so many of them, and in just a few years we have only tin what is happening.
        1. your1970
          your1970 27 March 2018 16: 00
          +1
          1) I listed only those state of emergency about which I knew and remembered myself - I did not look for them somewhere. If I search it will be many times more
          2) the epidemic in Saratov was after the Parties and the Government were reported at the end of 60 - that typhus was defeated in general and completely. Sverdlovsk-19 generally leak bacteriological weapons ..
          3) trains and Chernobyl is quite a USSR
          Z.Y. it was all, they just didn’t shout about it at every corner - they just kept secret in secret .... And now, due to the news, it seems that there are continuous incidents ..
          1. Z_G_R
            Z_G_R 27 March 2018 17: 43
            +2
            So no one denies that there were an emergency, just anyway it was mainly connected with industry or military activity. The country was engaged in production and science. There, for the first time, people came across certain factors and often did not really know anything about them. And we have a series of civil disasters associated with the negligence of the founders and supervisory authorities. So commonplace that you might think people are very degraded in comparison with previous times.

            Z.Y. in secret, you can quietly say anything, no one canceled the exaggeration and distortion. But one thing I know for sure, before I didn’t even lock the apartment, but now I won’t dare to do that. Although it is worth admitting, the USSR was silent about a lot, but it is far from such a chaos as now ...
            1. your1970
              your1970 27 March 2018 18: 58
              0
              Quote: Z_G_R
              But one thing I know for sure, before, I didn’t even lock the apartment,
              "And what could you steal? a crystal vase?" Library of world literature "? Change-8M? Rubin TV, which the four had to take out? What? What was it locked up?
              And about the civil disasters everyone was silent and did not blather ... I gave examples, when it was civilians who died. And you can dig up such examples, right now I remembered the Rossiya hotel.
              Or, on the stage, our tanks with phosphorus went down and burned for 3 or 4 days, and the smoke pulled towards the village, and how many people poisoned that smoke - no one knows and then it was not interesting to any of the authorities
              Grain warehouses exploded-5 dead, drank from payday, apparently someone smoked. It exploded so that the floor was trembling ..

              And the houses were crumbling, and the planes were falling, and the ships were sinking, just then they didn’t shout about it from every iron, sucking all the details
              1. Z_G_R
                Z_G_R 27 March 2018 22: 08
                0
                oh something, I doubt your words. There were accidents on the little things, but still not in such quantities, stupidly because the demand was then different. The point is not that civilians died, but that these emergency situations were of a production plan, and not in shops and movie theaters. That is the point. Again, I say that it is worth recognizing that a lot was hushed up.

                And there is always something to steal, it is strange to listen to such an argument. Now they are ready to kill for the phone.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 28 March 2018 08: 09
                  0
                  1) I do not want to search now, no desireYou can see for yourself - both cinemas and other places of mass congestion were on fire (I already quoted Rosiiu). The shops didn’t burn - they, such stores, were stupidly not big, everyone went to Moscow for things / shortages. Not much was hushed up then - but all which went beyond a certain framework. For example, everyone heard that Hitler’s birthday was celebrated in Saratov, but there was no open trial ....
                  2)
                  Quote: Z_G_R
                  And there is always something to steal, it is strange to listen to such an argument. Now they are ready to kill for the phone.
                  - then the people were afraid of buying stolen goods - you never know ..... There was nothing to take from the population, so very few people bought the stolen goods. The same Rubin stolen and bought would have stood for a very short time, neighbors / friends would have stukanuli - a clear violation of technology receiving deficiency

                  Now the stolen phone from you is very easily bought at any market outbid - yes, for a penny, but bought without question. Therefore, now it is much more profitable to steal than in the times of the USSR - there is an easy sale ..
                  1. Z_G_R
                    Z_G_R 28 March 2018 13: 22
                    0
                    here you are all right and say, now the system is different, more suitable for crimes. All that I wanted to hear from you.

                    As for “I don’t want to search,” as I understand it, the USSR simply existed for about 80 years, of course, there was enough emergency. But Russia over the past 20 years only "do not want to search" suffered no less.

                    The Union had enough shortcomings, you can’t argue with that, I do not defend it in this regard. But it’s worth recognizing that, from the point of view of an ordinary citizen, life in the USSR was much safer than in today's Russia.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 28 March 2018 20: 10
                      +1
                      safer country? Yes, the citizens did not know nifiga, therefore, was illusion security. Examples of "security" (I didn’t want to look, you added me !!!)
                      only 1981, only aviation
                      February 7
                      plane crash in the Leningrad Region: almost immediately after takeoff from a military airfield in Pushkin, the Tu-104 transport plane crashed, carrying more than 50 people., including admirals and generals from among the leaders of the Pacific Fleet (among them fleet commander Admiral E. Spiridonov). The causes of the tragedy: aircraft congestion, crew errors and adverse weather conditions.
                      28 April
                      near the village of Lazo (Yakut Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic) the plane An-2 TP crashed. Died 12 people.
                      13 June
                      due to bad weather on the eastern shore of the lake. Baikal crashed (crashed into a mountain) Il-14 plane. Died 52 people.
                      1 August
                      during the flight in the region of the Shantar Islands (Khabarovsk Territory), due to the deterioration of weather conditions, the Il-14 M plane collided with a sheer cliff. Died 11 people.
                      24 August
                      near Zavitinsk (the region of Blagoveshchensk, Amur Region), an An-5000 passenger plane and a Tu-24 military transport collided in air at an altitude of more than 16 m. Died 31 people., 1 passenger miraculously escaped.
                      on September 18
                      in the area of ​​Zheleznogorsk (Irkutsk region) due to the inconsistency of the actions of civilian and military dispatchers, the Yak-40 passenger plane crashed into the Mi-400 military helicopter in clouds at an altitude of 8 m. Of those on board the Yak-40 died 33 people, on board a helicopter - 7.
                      16 November
                      when landing at the airport of Norilsk (Krasnoyarsk Territory), a Tu-154 plane crashed due to a failure of on-board equipment. Died 99 people out of 167 passengers and crew, the rest were injured.
                      26 November
                      near the settlement of Ust-Kulom (Komi Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic), the aircraft An-2 TP and An-2P collided in the air. The reason is a dispatcher error. Died 15 people.
                      in total 310 dead, it is possible that not all air crashes entered here and I missed something
                      Once again, just one year 1981 exclusively aviation-A totally normal year for aviation, by the way ...

                      Safely?
  19. mik0588
    mik0588 27 March 2018 10: 25
    +3
    Again, as in all previous cases (and how many have already been, those cases when the "useful capitalist" turned out to be a negligent bastard?)
    Everyone is hurt and everyone is bitter. But a model of behavior imposed on us: 1) tears and condolences, 2) change of avatars and candles in social networks, 3) compensation to relatives, 4) all over again - such a model will not work, it cannot work forever.
    The roof of the entertainment center will collapse. The supermarket will burn. The coal mine will explode. The plane will crash. A pleasure boat, fishing trawler or boat with children will sink. A bus with workers will fall into the abyss. In most episodes, upon closer inspection, the responsibility should fall on the owner. But does not fall. Although it was the owner who “wanted to save,” or rather, wanted to make money. After all, “making money” means saving, that is, stealing from someone:
    - work time,
    - time for pre-flight rest
    - social package,
    - money for the installation of a fire alarm or mine gas analyzer,
    - anti-icing fluid or certified parts.
    When the Chernobyl tragedy occurred, volunteers went from all over the country. They saved lives, but not the reputation or property of the huckster. When the earthquake in Spitak, volunteers from all over the country rushed in, but not in order to assist a private developer.
    There were accidents in the USSR, no one argues. And plane crashes happened (although ten times less often), but these tragedies were experienced by a society that was not divided into serfs and nobles. They were not caused by someone's thirst for profit. Do you understand the difference?
    1. sdc_alex
      sdc_alex 27 March 2018 10: 43
      +2
      Quote: mik0588
      experienced by a society not divided into serfs and nobles

      oh oh ??? No.
      There were other state of emergency in the Union, and they were also associated with “names, surnames,” with holiday dates, with the care of individual personalities about their seats, etc. etc. No need to idealize the Union. One might think of the USSR as a country entirely of noble and half-honest honest "light elves," as one speaker put it above.
      And do we know all the details of those accidents? About Chernobyl, for example, much is still unknown.

      From a part, on his nobility and disinterestedness of help, the USSR was burned. Maybe sometimes it would be worth thinking about such things as profit, expediency, income, etc.
      1. mik0588
        mik0588 27 March 2018 12: 30
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        .. Chernobyl .. They still argue - but sho tse bulo? Negligence - or sabotage?
        And, yes - socialism ended precisely in 1986, with the first Gorbachev novels allowing private capital and private ownership of the means of production.
  20. Artem Golovin
    Artem Golovin 27 March 2018 10: 36
    +2
    Regarding APS, SOUE, AUPT. If it’s quite simple, then the APS is used to detect smoke / fire sources and that’s it. It transmits a signal about the place of smoke / fire detection and the SOUE and AUPT are turned on (if available). The power is removed from all magnetic locks (if the door is still locked, the sense is 0), arrows indicating the direction to the nearest exit and indicators begin to flash Exit, elevators descend, smoke exhaust is switched on .... There are no absolutely protected buildings, there is a proper organization. After detecting the sources of fire, then everything depends on the actions of the personnel! It is they who must thoroughly know the place where they work and carry out the evacuation! APS and SOUE are just helpers! Eyes / nose, if you want ... and a lot of scum to show where to run) AUPT, as a rule, does not work like in a movie: somewhere a fire started, and now water from the ceiling poured everywhere. Who will agree to this from the owners of goods of various, etc. ... and it's silly to pour everywhere. Where the temperature is above the threshold, the bulb in the sprinkler will burst, and it will begin to push it / these specific places. In the video from the shopping center, no work of AUPT is visible (((Security and staff worked worse than nowhere (((
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 27 March 2018 11: 09
      +1
      Quote: Artem Golovin
      APS and SOUE are just helpers!

      ATTENTION
      "When operating the station, remember that it does not protect against fire. The installation is only used for early warning in case of fire." From our instructions on AUPS and SOUE.
  21. naidas
    naidas 27 March 2018 10: 39
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    Quote: LSA57

    What does this have to do with TB? checking bribes?

    And who solicits bribes, get a warrant and pay, then another one, etc., give yourself half of the fine so that they lag behind.
  22. Fidel
    Fidel 27 March 2018 10: 42
    +1
    in Kemerovo show online broadcast. rally, people gathered broke through the cordon ring, out of employees and moved to the central administration square. require the truth of the announcement, and the resignation of management
    1. Servisinzhener
      Servisinzhener 27 March 2018 11: 41
      +2
      So the all-knowing fakes tightened up.
      1. Fidel
        Fidel 27 March 2018 11: 57
        +1
        and where does the fake, I voiced the info that they show that they broadcast. Without allegations
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  24. Fidel
    Fidel 27 March 2018 11: 08
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    Quote: Fidel
    in Kemerovo show online broadcast. rally, people gathered broke through the cordon ring, out of employees and moved to the central administration square. require the truth of the announcement, and the resignation of management

    they demand the resignation of the leadership, from GDP, so that it announces the true number of victims, and took measures
    1. cedar
      cedar 27 March 2018 11: 24
      +2
      Since 2014, when Putin crossed the Rubicon and withdrew Crimea from under the noses of the Anglo-Americans, a trap war began against us to destroy Russia and us, its people, who still do not understand this, he is an “American” according to Zadornov ...
      See at the root, dear. It is not necessary to take local measures, but to introduce a state of emergency in the country. The sooner we understand and do this, the fewer the number of victims will cost, and they will .., the trap becomes more and more Satan every day.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 27 March 2018 11: 41
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        Quote: cedar
        It is not necessary to take local measures, but to introduce a state of emergency in the country.

        who will introduce it? Seagull and Bastrykin, Medvedev and Shuvalov?
  25. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 27 March 2018 11: 27
    0
    But I personally do not understand some of Putin’s steps. He claims that the foundation of progress is small and medium-sized businesses. That is, now the salvation of Russia is good restaurants and shoe shops. For the population, in everyday life, this is true, but that's what a squiggle. Kemerovo and The Lame Horse appear. The fact is that if we omit the exceptions in the face of ingenious inventors, then small businesses simply do not have the funds for safety measures. The businessman thinks of it last, because TB does not make a profit. The state verbally saved the business from checks. But, firstly, financial audits, which bring profit to the inspector, somehow remained. But due to the lack of TB checks, Kemerovo sets in. But this does not remove the responsibility of the inspectors. During my work at the facility, which contains a large number of radioactive substances, an inspection major came to us. She did not go to the cyclotron, God forbid, there is radiation, but everyone will understand the fire there - this is a disaster. But then, when she saw a table leaning against the door, there was no end to any evacuation, there was no end to swearing from her. Then she calmed down and went to dinner with the director. I would appoint only former firefighters to the post of fire inspectors - these IMHO will not be lousy
  26. Nechaev
    Nechaev 27 March 2018 11: 38
    +1
    It's a shame. 41 children died. Such is the beginning of the five-year catastrophe. The one who locked the cinema - for life. The actions of local authorities are doubly a disgrace, they blame the relatives of the victims for something, they blabber about provocations.
  27. bk316
    bk316 27 March 2018 11: 39
    +2
    There are a bunch of firefighters.
    Everyone understands that if the basic fire safety requirements were met, nothing of the kind would have happened. For this class of buildings, it is obligatory:
    Fire alarm system
    smoke exhaust system
    notification system
    in places of increased fire hazard automatic fire extinguishing system
    the need for equipment of escape routes with automatically unlocked locks
    equipment is needed to indicate escape routes in the absence of lighting
    backup emergency lighting system needed
    it is necessary that the personnel of the center have trained fire safety officers whose responsibilities include organizing fire actions before the firemen arrive and training the rest of the staff up to the organization of training alarms

    Obviously, if all this had been and worked, then no one would have died. So there are specific culprits, then there will be landings.
    I don’t understand one thing: in the head of people who close fifty spectators in the hall, they put locks on fire exits and turn off the fire, what would it not be squealing? Until we reach the people that we need to think a little with our heads, no inspection will help.
  28. GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 27 March 2018 11: 40
    0
    Corruption in the country has long been the glue cementing the bricks of state institutions (including the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, other power structures), and as soon as the real fight against corruption begins, we definitely won’t miss this, the state will begin to crumble.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 27 March 2018 12: 23
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      Quote: GRIGORIY76
      just do not miss, the state will begin to crumble.

      you repeated the words of Yarovaya, the vice speaker of the State Duma.
  29. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 27 March 2018 11: 51
    +1
    There was a Land of Soviets ... now, comments! I understand .... integration into "Europe" and all that ... but, maybe. Enough to "comment" ?! Isn't it time to do business? Isn’t it time to stop trying to be “holier than the Pope” for “entrepreneurs”? Isn’t it time to screw up corrupt officials, bribe takers, legal “frightened” nihilists and, for this, change the law?
  30. Fidel
    Fidel 27 March 2018 12: 12
    +1
    GDP met with an initiative group from protesters. as a result, the death toll increased
  31. cedar
    cedar 27 March 2018 12: 25
    +1
    Quote: Silvestr
    Quote: cedar
    It is not necessary to take local measures, but to introduce a state of emergency in the country.

    who will introduce it? Seagull and Bastrykin, Medvedev and Shuvalov?


    Look at the Constitution, everything is spelled out there ...
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  33. Skarpzd
    Skarpzd 27 March 2018 14: 50
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    Quote: Less
    19 years as a motorist, the "gay" have never even hinted, to blame - get a receipt, not to blame - have a good trip ... Maybe the "gay" weren’t the right ones? Or should I offer it myself?

    I personally don’t remember when they last stopped .... I paid the last fine in 2011 for the case.
  34. Partisan Kramaha
    Partisan Kramaha 27 March 2018 16: 48
    +1
    Quote: purple
    Quote: Logall
    And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere

    we have in the shopping center nearby, we don’t have to speak for everyone, but about the checks ... for the sake of the dough, the supervisory authorities will close their eyes. it’s not about inspections, but about responsibility. If the director would be aware that if something happened, he would sit down for 10-20 years and not get dressed in any way, everything would be different

    And not only the director, but also the one conducting the last inspection, is also simply obliged in this case to rattle on the bunk!