Putin arrived in Kemerovo and commented on the tragedy

The Russian president arrived this morning at the site of the tragedy in the city of Kemerovo. Vladimir Putin laid flowers at the facade of the Kemerovo shopping and entertainment complex Winter Cherry, where a terrible fire took 64 human lives. Among the dead are children.

A spontaneous memorial was formed at the facade of the Winter Cherry shopping center, to which townspeople and city guests bring flowers, wreaths, icon lamps, children's toys, photos of relatives and friends who died in this nightmarish tragedy. A really pressing tablet "Children, forgive us" is crowned with a real mountain of fresh flowers, which has been formed at this moment in a completely burnt-out shopping center.

After laying a bouquet of flowers in memory of the victims, the president, along with the permanent representative of the head of state in the Siberian Federal District, Sergey Menyaylo examined the facade of the ill-fated building, where the complex of exploration continues.

Recall that during a fire, 64 people died. Currently 13 affected are in clinics. Most of them were diagnosed with carbon monoxide poisoning. In terms of the number of victims, the fire in “Winter Cherry” has become one of the largest stories Russia.

Meanwhile, Kemerovo residents gather for a spontaneous rally in front of the Kemerovo administration building. The townspeople demanded the resignation of the mayor, who went out to speak with the assembled residents of the city.

Comments

[Herculesic]

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

[Logall]

Quote: Herkulesich

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives. And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere, but there should be ... Let it be better late, but without them in any way!

[purple]

Quote: Logall

And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere

we have in the shopping center nearby, we don’t have to speak for everyone, but about the checks ... for the sake of the dough, the supervisory authorities will close their eyes. it’s not about inspections, but about responsibility. If the director would be aware that if something happened, he would sit down for 10-20 years and not get dressed in any way, everything would be different

[Logall]

Quote: purple

Quote: Logall

And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere

we have a shopping center nearby, no need to speak for everyone

This is more an exception than a rule ... It is necessary to fix their presence legislatively.

Quote: purple

for the sake of the supervisory authorities will close their eyes

And this is also the fault of the president and not only him - the entire government ... For so many years, nothing to do with corruption is sabotage!

[LSA57]

Quote: Logall

And this is also the fault of the president and not only him - the entire government ..

The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault. time passes, and old songs do not fall silent.

For so many years, nothing can be done with corruption - sabotage!

Well, then all over the world the entire leadership of saboteurs. name at least ONE country in the world that has won corruption. executions for her and they do not help

[Dangerous]

No need to exaggerate and write nonsense. History will give an assessment of the president’s actions for all the terms of his reign, we only support something, something not. But in a situation where, over the 18 years of rule, the mechanism of interaction between business and inspection bodies has not been debugged, including the president’s fault. These "checks" have long turned into a farce when inspectors come purely for money, and the violation will be written out in any case, but not so serious

[LSA57]

Quote: Dangerous

History’s assessment of the president’s actions over the entire term of his reign

praised by the people of 18 March of this year

when inspectors come purely for money,

Where are the applications to the prosecutor?

[Dangerous]

Well, what statements? Who needs all this? We had checks, yeahhh .... They dig in the literal sense to every comma, despite the fact that they used specially hired specialists for this check. The impression was that the inspector did not care that everything in the organization worked and functions as it should (in terms of checking it), but how it was all designed was what interests them the most.
For example - the IP has its own car, issued on the IP. I have to keep 4 (four!) Magazines daily, write out a ticket every day. but these are trifles, because every morning I have to go to the doctor and put a stamp with the doctor’s signature in the ticket. Okay, right? After all, if I can assume the responsibilities of a mechanic, then I can’t do it by accident. But in the end, taking into account all these requirements, one hell in the wrong place recorded the mileage in the ticket and got a penalty. That's all the checks. kapets

[LSA57]

Quote: Dangerous

Well, what statements?

extortion

Who needs it all

who is extorted from

They dig in the literal sense to every comma, despite the fact that they used specially hired specialists for this check. The impression was that it didn’t matter to the inspector that everything in the organization worked and functions as it should (in terms of checking it), but this is how it was designed - that’s what interests them the most

they would plant one another, the rest of the ardor and reduce

For example - the IP has its own car, issued on the IP. I have to keep 4 (four!) Magazines daily, write out a ticket every day. but these are trifles, because every morning I have to go to the doctor and put a stamp with the doctor’s signature in the ticket

and what does this have to do with TB in a shopping center?

[Simargl]

Quote: LSA57

and what does this have to do with TB in a shopping center?

This has to do with the state of things in general!
In the workplace, I conduct, in addition to working with hands, 11 magazines.
Some are duplicated in meaning.
The only suggestion why so much is to find a “cant” in some and remove the blame from the authorities / enterprises / state.

Our whole "effective management" has come down to the following:

Once Russian Railways acquired a desert piece of land for landfill. A night watchman was hired to guard the landfill.

After some time, the verification found that the watchman works completely without instructions. A special order created the Planning Department with two employees: for writing instructions and for monitoring its work.

After some time, it was necessary to check the watchman's work: the Control Department was created with two employees - for direct control of the watchman and for writing work reports. To check the financial discipline of these departments, Accounting was created with a timekeeper and accountant, and for general management, an Administrative Department had to be created with a chief, his deputy and a lawyer.

A year later, it was discovered that government spending on the landfill exceeded 18 million rubles. and it was decided to save money.
The guard was fired.

[LSA57]

Quote: Simargl

In the workplace, I conduct, in addition to working with hands, 11 magazines.
Some are duplicated in meaning.

and again off topic. What does this have to do with TB? checking bribes?

[edmed]

"Bottle" Hennessey XQ to this gentleman (comrade)! " for more than 100 workers in the directorate, 13 economists, do not sleep, do not eat, fight, how else to optimize costs.

Quote: Simargl

Our whole "effective management" has come down to the following:
Once Russian Railways acquired a desert piece of land for landfill. A night watchman was hired to guard the landfill.
After some time, the verification found that the watchman works completely without instructions. A special order created the Planning Department with two employees: for writing instructions and for monitoring its work.
After some time, it was necessary to check the watchman's work: the Control Department was created with two employees - for direct control of the watchman and for writing work reports. To check the financial discipline of these departments, Accounting was created with a timekeeper and accountant, and for general management, an Administrative Department had to be created with a chief, his deputy and a lawyer.
A year later, it was discovered that government spending on the landfill exceeded 18 million rubles. and it was decided to save money.
The guard was fired.

[Logall]

Quote: LSA57

What does this have to do with TB? checking bribes?

Man, what kind of extortion? Shopping centers are violated by the PPB, and officials cover them by taking money for it ... And all this is put in the rank of the system! The same system of kickbacks, but entailing human casualties ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Logall

and officials cover them up taking money for it ...

Is this not extortion?

[Simargl]

Quote: LSA57

What does this have to do with TB?

1 - thoughtless Rules, designed primarily to cover higher ones,
2 - red tape, when the main thing is to fill out a piece of paper correctly, and not to do the work,
3 - mutually exclusive decrees and actions: as an example - make a sufficient number of fire exits, set a good alarm and ... close the fire exits on a lock, turn off the alarm. But at the same time, put the “necessary” signatures everywhere and fill out the documentation correctly.
We all So! All for show: look around, make sure!
It so happened that our laws act selectively (if I want to, I comply), but it is necessary that everyone enforces everything (and, accordingly, rakes everyone for failure, and not those who "fall under the hot hand).
And for laws to be enforced, they must first and foremost be logical!

[LSA57]

Quote: Simargl

1 - thoughtless Rules, designed primarily to cover higher ones,

actually they are written like charters in blood

2 - red tape, when the main thing is to fill out a piece of paper correctly, and not to do the work,

do it. it does not interfere

3 - mutually exclusive decrees and actions:

do not do such. when checking indicate non-compliance

[Surg]

Of course, because they go to knock money, not check. Give them free rein and they will find a bunch of violations in the fire department.

[your1970]

Quote: Dangerous

write out a ticket daily. but these are trifles, because every morning I have to go to the doctor and put a stamp with the doctor’s signature in the ticket. Okay so yes? After all, if I can assume the responsibilities of a mechanic, then I can’t do it by accident.

-And then everyone will be surprised when the driver NOT the past medical examination will kill ten passengers ...
Do you think this is unnecessary? So the owner of the shopping center also considered the faculty to be unnecessary ...
You better than him in this context ????

[Dangerous]

I drive my own car, it’s just that the car is registered on an IP. In fact - the same private car, like everyone else. But I have red tape thanks to checks - like the head of the bus depot. Rave

[your1970]

You think it’s nonsense, and the owner of the shopping center thought that the faculty was delirious ...
And then the whole country is surprised - ah state of emergency! Ah fuel truck to Moscow popped up and burned out - along with the passengers of the oncoming minibus (as it was 10 years ago) ...
and he was so shorter and he also considered nonsense ...
With such approaches to laws, everything and trouble in the country

[Don]

Quote: LSA57

praised by the people of 18 March of this year

If you still believe that the results announced by the Circus are the choice of the people, then I am very sorry for you, so you are simply afraid of the truth. Assessment of the current regime was expressed by the PEOPLE in Volokolamsk at spontaneous rallies defending their right to life contrary to the affairs of the current regime. And today, right now, in Kemerovo, a spontaneous rally of many thousands is taking place in the city center. The people demand to tell the truth about the hundreds of victims that they themselves saw, saw firefighters and rescuers. Information today is difficult to completely hide, anyway, someone who is conscious will blab. He who has eyes - sees, he who has ears - hears.

[Semen1972]

Quote: Donskoy

The people demand to tell the truth about the hundreds of victims that they themselves saw, saw firefighters and rescuers.

Stop telling lies !!! No one hides the number of victims, not in this case !!!

[76SSSR]

Chapaev would have slapped you from the time sheet at the time - for sabotage and alarmism.

[LSA57]

Quote: Donskoy

If you still believe that the results announced by the Circus are the choice of the people, then I am very sorry for you, so you are simply afraid of the truth.

I hear this tale about election fraud before and after every election. go to any social network and see what people say about Putin and the elections. or is everything falsified there too?
[quote An assessment of the current regime was expressed by the PEOPLE in Volokolamsk at spontaneous rallies defending their right to life contrary to the affairs of the current regime. [/ quote]
do not lie!!! imitations are looking against LOCAL authorities. By the way, your liberal Ksenia vowed to close the landfill orally before the elections. elections were held, the landfill was not closed, Ksenia disappeared

And today, right now, in Kemerovo, a spontaneous rally of many thousands is taking place in the city center.

reference to the meeting pliz. Or again have heard the OBS?

Information today is difficult to completely hide, anyway, someone conscious will blab.

Yes, it’s more likely not conscious, but a provocateur like this. and calm down, Putin came for 6 years and you and your kind can’t do anything about it

[Observer2014]

LSA57 (Sergei) Sergey watched the video “Terrorist attack in the Kemerovo shopping center” and I see the mounted film. The frame is being pushed. This is a fake. This is a nasty golem fake. Yes mounted from the place of the fire. But he says nothing.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Donskoy

The people demand to tell the truth about the hundreds of victims that they themselves saw, saw firefighters and rescuers.

What hundreds of victims, what are you talking about before, such as you were shot as alarmists !!!!!!! I live in Kemerovo and rumors of hundreds are not true !!!!!! Enough already ....... .. (speak and write) complete nonsense. We have grief in the city, there are just a huge number of technicians and people, rescue workers, everyone plows day and night, dismantles the rubble. The work is being done to eliminate it in full swing. And you are a talker and the like, taking this opportunity write all sorts of trash. Ugh on you and such unchristens like you! If you and people like you let them steer at least a village, you would have ruined it in a matter of days.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Donskoy

If you still believe that the results announced by the Circus

Are you tired of blaming and persuading Putin from branch to branch? I do not like the regime, well, leave the country for permanent residence from the Russian Federation.
Debate in a branch about misfortune and grief of people was spread. 64 people died, including 41 CHILD! And you about Putin ...
I am a father and I can’t even imagine what is happening with my parents now. Here you can’t cover such grief with neither money, nor words, nor landings.
I am sorry for the relatives of the victims.

[Simargl]

Quote: LSA57

actually they are written like charters in blood

Written in blood, but by lawyers, not experts. And they are written in such a way that you walk along the “blade” constantly: you break something.

Quote: LSA57

do it. it does not interfere

Of course! If there is a secretary. And so - I just do not always have enough time.

Quote: LSA57

do not do such. when checking indicate non-compliance

A fire inspector came, asked "why is the barn lock on the fire exit", a policeman came, "why is there no lock?"
As far as I remember, locks began to hang in the early 90s. They ruined many lives ...
It seems that specially “pitchforks” are put everywhere.

[RaptorF22]

I agree whether it is appropriate to write poems when such a tragedy occurred! ! !

[x.andvlad]

I agree. But blaming Putin for everything is very simple.
The "infection of dishonesty" blossoms in the country in a magnificent color both at the household and state level. But this is not Putin's fault. Putin needs to organize a tough state program to eradicate this dishonesty.
Putin is a leader who is physically not enough for all emergency situations in the country. But the leader must lead a tough campaign to eradicate bad faith from people's minds. And this is education with young nails and tough actions of the authorities, and much more.

[RaptorF22]

A strange man killed women and children and he rhymes about kittens! !

[LSA57]

Quote: RaptorF22n

A strange man killed women and children and he rhymes about kittens! !

but not strange people who have blamed Putin for everything for the past two decades.
and do not rhyme it. so the people express their opinion about such "patriots"

[Oorfene Deuce]

In Russia, corruption has become a system, and for many, even a way of life. This is what has been cultivated since the 90s and now has deep roots at all social levels. There was never a real fight against this, but there was a redistribution of the property of legalized bandits and window dressing and fraud (a la Vasiliev-Serdyukov). But the president is certainly not to blame, in the system he created

[Stanislas]

Quote: Oorfene Deuce

in the system he created

It's a lie. Is Stalin's death his work too? Then he began to create this system from birth, for it was forged in the open struggle of the shoe-makers with Stalin's supporters and in their undercover struggle with the moral principles of Stalinist socialism.

[Oorfene Deuce]

Stalin, by the way, sons fought. And did anyone at least serve in the current bureaucrats? Below fellow fox wrote about this incidentally.
Yes, and about corruption. Of course it existed and always will be. But the scale is already completely different. And no specific actions to stop it are observed and will not be, because bees are like honey. Moreover, she is already not so covered and frank, flaunted that those in power are not shy and not afraid. The system of hypocrisy, cynicism and blasphemy.

[Stanislas]

Quote: Oorfene Deuce

And there are no specific actions to stop it

Are there any observations? As for me, they are.

Quote: Oorfene Deuce

and it won’t be, because bees are against honey

There are no observations, but there are conclusions and a forecast. Wait and see.

[LSA57]

Quote: Oorfene Deuce

In Russia, corruption has become a system

didn’t, but was always
“Bribes, which have become a real misfortune for us, have appeared from time immemorial. A testimony dated 1556 is preserved which mentions a certain clerk who“ took a goose stuffed with coins and took too much promise. ”The payback was terrible - they sentenced the poor fellow to a painful execution. "
“Once Russian emigrants asked Nikolai Karamzin who came abroad to tell them in a nutshell what was happening at home. The writer needed only one thing -“ They steal ... ”
“With the help of the Third Gendarmerie, Nicholas I decided to find out which of the 58 governors did not take bribes. Only two of them were found - the Coven governor Afanasy Radishchev, the son of a famous writer, and the Kiev - Ivan Fundukley.

The tsar did not take any measures and only succinctly commented on the information: "That the Fundukley does not take bribes is understandable because he is very rich, but if Radishchev does not take them, then he is too honest."
This "system" also came up with GDP?

[alstr]

Corruption in our country was cultivated not from the 90s of the 20th century, but from the time of Rurik.
Yes, even just remember even the Soviet era: pour plumbing, give it to the service station, bring candy to the doctor, etc., etc.
And in tsarist times it was no better. It is enough to recall what the Ksheshinskaya mansion was built on.

[sdc_alex]

Quote: Oorfene Deuce

This is what has been cultivated since 90's and now has deep roots

and with 90's ... ?? maybe early

[76SSSR]

But the liberals are well settled, they do not rule, and therefore they are not guilty of anything. Under any current government, there is reason to blame it for something. Liberasts generally do not take part in the economy of the country, but only criticize everything with national money and talk empty-handed in the Duma and the media. Not fat to you? Nehren not do for the country, but only to master the grants and yell at every corner for the headstock. Ugh, disgraceful.

[Fox]

Quote: LSA57

The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault

It so happened that our high-ranking officials have very talented relatives. Young Seagulls, Yakunins, Patrushevs and other Matvienki, from childhood become dollar millionaires, manage large companies. In an extreme case, they receive serious government posts. The Russian president himself has repeatedly opposed nepotism and corruption in the highest echelons of power. Nevertheless, the president has to fulfill promises to eradicate unemployment and create jobs for Russians. On the third day after the election, the nephew of the head of state, Mikhail Putin, received the post of deputy chairman of the board of Gazprom. Gazprom, as you know, is going through hard times. Therefore, it is impossible to manage the company’s management without a graduate of the Ivanovo Medical Institute, who is Mikhail Putin. For the sake of objectivity, it must be said that Putin’s eldest daughter does not pretend to be a top manager. She is known to many as Maria Faassen. She married Dutch businessman Jorrit Faassen, who soon became Gazprom's top manager. Once, on a Rublevsky highway, Yorrit in his BMW cut off a motorcade of banker Matvey Urin. The guards of the clipped, took out the bits and broke the windows in Putin’s son-in-law’s car, where his daughter could be. The stupid banker was hotly and did not realize who he was trying to honor. On the same day, the banker was detained by the FSO special group on Novy Arbat. The documents from Matvey Urin were personally taken by the head of the Moscow police department Vladimir Kolokoltsev. The banker was severely punished. 5 banks, a house, a land plot and 441 million rubles were taken from him. “Life imprisoned” Urin add new terms, and he is unlikely to leave prison. A year after this incident, Kolokoltsev was appointed president of the Interior Ministry. How does the Russian economy get rid of nepotism and corruption? Doesn’t get rid of it. Although Deputy Prime Minister Shuvalov, two days ago, he already voiced a radical way from these diseases. He proposed raising the salaries of government officials to the level of heads of major corporations.

[tomket]

Quote: LSA57

Well, then all over the world the entire leadership of saboteurs. name at least ONE country in the world that has won corruption. executions for her and they do not help

Everywhere where he worked, they approached fire safety from the position of formalism. Namely, it all came down to painting in the fire safety magazine. I do not think that in other places, this issue was approached differently. Our corruption is not the root of troubles, but a disregard for ourselves and for those around us. Plus, disregard for duties and general lack of competence.

[LSA57]

Quote: tomket

Our corruption is not the root of troubles, but a disregard for ourselves and for those around us.

but this is the point. ubiquitous indifference. "Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself"
and such videos on the SEA network !!!

[Alexsasha77]

I agree, the truth is 100%

[Anti-Corr.]

Quote: LSA57

The cat left the kittens, it's Putin's fault. time passes, and old songs do not fall silent.

Do you speak cats? When the father of a burned child knocks on your door, you will tell him that in his face, right? Of course you understand that of the letters that I wrote obscene language 1000%!

[AlexVas44]

Quote: purple

If the director would be aware that if something happened, he would sit down for 10-20 years and not get dressed in any way, everything would be different

Already realized, gives 3 million each. He was late, before, he would have worried about security.

[Professor]

Quote: Logall

Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives

Be serious. These are not “checks,” but raids of stuffing pockets of inspectors. Do you really think that any major MCHSnik will raise a hand to close a shopping center of this size? Never in my life. Then the question is, why all these "checks"? You can treat Saakashvili as you like, but as President of Georgia, he dispersed to hell all of those inspectors from the fire department, sanitary sanitation, etc. Do you think the number of epidemics or fires has increased? Of course not.
It is necessary to beat all violators with a ruble. And so much so that they themselves will set the fire alarm "out of harm's way."

[Xnumx vis]

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Quote: professor

Be serious. These are not “checks,” but raids of stuffing pockets of inspectors. Do you really think that some major MCHSnik will raise a hand to close the shopping center of such an size?

------------------- Do you judge Israel? ! By the way, the owner of this institution is your fellow-fan of the golden calf .... And so, yes, I agree only the inevitability of punishment up to life. Confiscation of Property. People are most afraid for their money. And so he sat down and did not get out. -Life. And relatives in the world will go, everything is confiscated. --------------------

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: 30 vis

Do you judge Israel?

Well, don’t you know how fire inspectors work? (not to be confused with firefighters) They work the same way throughout the country - there is a fire extinguisher or not - all no difference, they will issue a warning in any case. And if you put the envelope in, then they won’t write it out. That's why people do not think about fire extinguishers, but about envelopes.

[Galleon]

Well, fire inspectors work differently. Those who come to us are normal pros and adequate people, requirements in the case, there is no extortion and cannot be on their part. No need to smear all inspectors indiscriminately, this is not true. And then imagine yourself in their place: if you took the money, you should turn a blind eye to the violations. And how to close, if this is your crime? Firefighters are rampaging and snatching scimitars only in the case of closed and cluttered escape routes - for everything else they give time for elimination.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Galleon

No need to smear all inspectors indiscriminately, this is not true

Maybe, but I have not seen others. Everything there depends on the boss, and on his policies. The bulk of this is financial policy. In Samara, the same thing, there are friends.

[LSA57]

Quote: 30 vis

. And so he sat down and did not come out. -Life

shot in China, helped?

[andrej-shironov]

Oddly enough it helps! It is enough to sit on the net and read.

[Smyrnof]

shot in China, helped?

And what not?

[LSA57]

Quote: Smirnof

And what not?

and they don’t take bribes now ??

[andrej-shironov]

You can easily find data on the level of corruption in Russia and China in relation to the population yourself. Klava help you.

[Professor]

Quote: 30 vis

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Quote: professor

Be serious. These are not “checks,” but raids of stuffing pockets of inspectors. Do you really think that some major MCHSnik will raise a hand to close the shopping center of such an size?

------------------- Do you judge Israel? ! By the way, the owner of this institution is your fellow-fan of the golden calf .... And so, yes, I agree only the inevitability of punishment up to life. Confiscation of Property. People are most afraid for their money. And so he sat down and did not get out. -Life. And relatives in the world will go, everything is confiscated. --------------------

No, not in Israel (for the illiterate Israel spelled that way). We have firemen and police very rarely take bribes. The culture is like that. And what kind of faith the owner of this shopping center does not matter. You have the same situation in all shopping centers.

[Vadivak]

Quote: professor

And what faith does the owner of this shopping center have no meaning

Shtengelov Denis Nikolaevich was born on 14 on May 1972 of the year in the Tomsk village of Gubino, the population of 500 people. Australian citizen.

In my opinion he is of monetary faith

[Professor]

Quote: Vadivak

Quote: professor

And what faith does the owner of this shopping center have no meaning

Shtengelov Denis Nikolaevich was born on 14 on May 1972 of the year in the Tomsk village of Gubino, the population of 500 people. Australian citizen.

In my opinion he is of monetary faith

You were told that a Jew means a Siberian rural Jew. And there is nothing to argue.
However, it does not matter who the director or owner is. Exactly the same situation in all shopping centers.

Quote: karish

I have a fire alarm and sprinklers in my house - and they are also checked with all the requirements and deadlines - in case of problems.

My company just moved to a new building this week (Check Post ) A fire extinguishing system was made for us. Permission to enter was given by everyone including firefighters. Naturally, they did not pay anything to anyone, but simply did everything as provided for by the rules. This order. By the way, the biggest problems were with yours. They forced the transformer for $ 300 to be delivered. I had to put it.

[76SSSR]

A Jew without "gilded" little hands is something new. Izya, I beg you ...))

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: professor

Do you really think that any major MCHSnik will raise a hand to close a shopping center of this size? Never in my life.

Since January 1 of 2007, the state fire supervision authorities have been deprived of the authority to supervise fire safety in the design, construction, reconstruction and commissioning of all capital construction facilities, without exception. Administrative suspension of the facility is possible only if the administrative offense is committed again during the year (Part 2 Article 20.4 Administrative Code). At the same time, administrative practice in the field of fire safety indicates a decrease in recent years in the quality indicators of control and supervision activities. This circumstance is due to the implementation of national guidelines - not to “nightmare” business and reduce administrative pressure. Therefore, one has to constantly face the search for a balance between state supervision and the protection of the rights of entrepreneurs. Meanwhile, it is obvious that the desire to reduce the number of inspections of small and medium-sized businesses cannot be the same for all types of control and supervision. In my opinion, there should not be any time or other restrictions during inspections of state fire control authorities, as this leads to tragedies, as in Kemerovo.

[Horst78]

Even big business is not nightmare. The law here is the same for everyone. Based on the results of the inspection, a correction term is issued, which cannot be exceeded by another inspection. They said a year for correction, so not earlier than a year they can check the execution. And for this year, the owner can completely turn off the APS and SOUE.

[igorek]

Yes, we have everything. There is a set of rules, there are norms, fire safety rules, everything is painted down to a centimeter. For business, the installation and operation of APS, AUPT, and SUE is the price of the matter. Yes, very, very not cheap. But what is the price when children die? And if the parents of the dead children say that they hate this country, they will be right. Because the whole security system of people's lives is not a system, but some kind of farce. And all you have to do is be responsible and competent and not very greedy (first of all). The tragedy ... It is not striking, but to the depths is indignant at the gouging involved in the security system. Of course, heads will fly. But after all, even a layman I am a professional in APS, APT, SUE) it is clear that all this could not have happened if everyone had moved and performed their duties in terms of security. Mourn for the dead.

[Horst78]

Quote: igorek

I am a professional in APS, APT, SUE

Colleague? I'm from 1999. He studied at VNIIPO Ministry of Internal Affairs in 2001. officers from Major to Lieutenant Colonel who developed the airbags.

[igorek]

Yes, I can call myself a professional (license of the Ministry of Emergencies, type of activity - design, installation, maintenance of APS, APT, SOUE), installation of fires of the entire airport, I’m talking about something. And my education is a higher signalman (reserve lieutenant colonel). Of course, more than one inspection passed, even republican inspections. He flew up to 20000 rubles for improper placement of sensors (near the ventilation systems). I know firsthand about the responsibility of all DLs. Colleague, agree, all that happened is a highly criminal negligence. Moreover, I know people who work at such facilities without any bribes and honestly do everything in accordance with the NPB. Yes, and there are sensible inspectors, and most of them. Once again, tragedy could have been avoided, It just doesn’t fit my head.

[dauria]

Once again, tragedy could have been avoided

It could be. And you need to start with people - from the top. Heads of the Ministry of Emergencies. And back in 2009 after the "Gray Horse".
Of the several serious objects, we have real informal checks with training (triggering sensors, warning, evacuation, rolling up sleeves .... etc.) carries ONE (out of a dozen served by us). This is the FOC of one district. There just scared Chief Engineer. They have not a single tenant (no matter how requested). They do not hesitate to drive mothers with children on alarm, without warning in advance !!!! despite the discontent. And these multi-storey uncontrolled bazaars into which the shopping and entertainment center has turned are just wool, so that the skin is wrapped. And for this, the top, namely the top (from the minister) to drive to the neck. The new one should tremble for his chair, and transmit the trembling to the bottom.

[Horst78]

Quote: igorek

Colleague, agree, all that happened is a highly criminal negligence.

I completely agree. In schools, kindergartens, hospitals, we usually have IP 212-41M. I think this will tell you a lot. Last year 2 times was in the hospital. So there IPR IR-1 (that is, creativity) were sealed by May 2015. Under the standard according to GOST 54101-2010 pr. A, item A1.1 monthly maintenance, and according to the passport every 3 months. That’s the whole conversation. Lie and pray

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Horst78

Lie and pray

Yes, already ... Now I work in the territory of the "technopark" - the former pr-in, a territory with a bunch of tenants: pr-va, warehouses, plankton workers, etc. (even a sports club is present). The signaling ... Yes, it works (sensitive - it often yells, which is for the better). The warning system is driven regularly ... Of course, there are two grandfathers - safety engineers, they constantly go around, check the premises, and fry the tenants. BUT! Already the third week - nobody (one on vacation, the other fell ill). And then local hucksters began to conduct a “creeping attack”: they began to notice growing heaps of cardboard packaging in the main corridor (we have the last, fifth floor), despite the fact that it was 2 minutes to go to the harbor (downstairs, in the courtyard). Everything would be fine, except for the rest, we have on our floor ... a school of welders (welders, Karl), and next door, through two rooms, is a paint and varnish warehouse (!!!) ... An infernal neighborhood. He suffered two days ... After he spat and went up the floor, driving all the garbage back to the owners, and strongly recommending that all this be cleaned up. He answered perplexed questions that I was temporarily fulfilling the duties of an inspector. And so on a daily basis. And what about the lobby ?! You will find the horseradish administration, the protection is incompetent in this matter, your own leadership is amorphous (the same huckster). In short, if you want to live, you will not be so confused. So, from yesterday in the aisle - not a box - to see everyone was in a childish mood, even the “welded” ones began to leave extra cylinders below, under the canopy. In short, thunder struck - the rooster crossed himself. That's how we live.

[Horst78]

Quote: Paranoid50

Then he spat and went up the floor, driving all the garbage back to the owners, and strongly recommending that all this be cleaned up. He answered perplexed questions that I was temporarily fulfilling the duties of an inspector.

Well done

Quote: Paranoid50

Everything would be fine, but only besides the others, we have on our floor ... a school of welders (welders, Karl), and next door, through two rooms, is a paint and varnish warehouse (!!!) ... An infernal neighborhood.

But this is chaos

[igorek]

Glory, I hear that everyone is shouting that they drove the children to the 4th floor, damn marketing experts, until they get to the cinema a lot of dough ... I’ve imagined it. And if you go to the shopping center, and a meter away from the door there is a trampoline, then a bowling alley, the Voroshilovsky shooter shooting gallery, they immediately put a ticket into the cinema in your hands (a mistake, according to the documents, the cinema is at best, and even a viewing room), and sausage, soap and jeans are seen somewhere in a hundred meters. It will be fun. Premises with a certain number of people (but no more than what the rules determine) located in this room can be located even on the hundredth floor. It turns out that if I went to a lecture on the third and fourth floor at a military school or academy, then I must already get a lot of knowledge. This is to say that everyone speaks lazily, but for some reason I didn’t see sensible specialists ... The investigation will show that the ruble or life is more important.

[siberalt]

"Tax holidays" do not suspend fire supervision. Designing and putting an object into operation for supervision is generally useless, since this is not a supervisory fire function by definition. Therefore, at these stages, fire control was in fact a duplicate administrative element. Approximately the same as the presence of a traffic cop on the conveyor of a car factory.

[Anatoly Dobry]

Is a fine of three billion rubles? How much are the life and health of people?
Need personal responsibility of the owner, and so, they wrote out a fine - closed \ renamed LLC and walk on. But here another moment arises, what to do when the owner of a room or a ship lives for example in Australia? How to impose personal responsibility?
No guys, you can’t fix this, the situation is such that the capitalist makes his fortune at the cost of other people's lives. A man forced to work alienates part of his life from himself. Under capitalism, a person is forced to spend several times more labor than is necessary to satisfy his own need. This is the process of creating and assigning value added.
Capitalism is killing.

[Dangerous]

whom does he kill in Europe for example? About 8 years ago, I wanted to get a job in one Western capitalist company, and so I flew by the question: "Why, first of all, can you fire an employee?" And the answer was not for drunkenness or truancy, but for a violation of safety precautions. Because these damned capitalists put TB in the first place. And the fact that in our country is not capitalism is rogues, thieves, bribe takers and criminals. And both on the one hand and on the other. Not all of course, but many

[Anatoly Dobry]

No need to tell how things are with TB in foreign enterprises. I myself currently work for the Japanese. All this ostentatious, TB are violated everywhere.

[Anatoly Dobry]

The first thing that comes to mind.
2010 year. As a result of operating a faulty oil well, an oil platform exploded. People died. The oil leak lasted about 80 days. Irreplaceable damage to flora, fauna, coastal zone.

In the same Kuzbass, everything is pitted with coal pits. Extraction is carried out by poaching methods, taking the development area. Moreover, the seam is not worked out to the end as required by the PRUM (rules for the development of coal deposits). Because deep digging is more expensive. And that non-selected coal, in contact with oxygen and a large mass, spontaneously ignites.
In 2017, a movement of soil occurred on the territory of one of the coal mines in Kuzbass. He left this dump, for a minute, about a million cubic meters of soil and rock. Gostekhnadzor representatives were not even allowed into the enterprise.

Grandmas at all costs, all over the world. At the cost of human health and life, at the cost of the well-being of future generations.

[karish]

Quote: Anatoly Good

Is a fine of three billion rubles? How much are the life and health of people?
Need personal responsibility of the owner, and so, they wrote out a fine - closed \ renamed LLC and walk on. But here another moment arises, what to do when the owner of a room or a ship lives for example in Australia? How to impose personal responsibility?
No guys, you can’t fix this, the situation is such that the capitalist makes his fortune at the cost of other people's lives. A man forced to work alienates part of his life from himself. Under capitalism, a person is forced to spend several times more labor than is necessary to satisfy his own need. This is the process of creating and assigning value added.
Capitalism is killing.

my department operates 60 substations throughout northern Israel.
every year, all substations are subject to inspection by the fire inspection, this is not counting the separate brigade in the department - which deals exclusively with the maintenance and inspection of fire alarm and extinguishing systems.
are required to conduct 2-per year inspections at each substation.
nonetheless, the inspection of firefighters is annual and serious at every substation.
Well, I’m not talking about bribes - it’s just nonsense and when making a prescription - what happens rarely but happens - you need to see how all the controls are on your ears.
capitalism does not kill - the barracks kill.
I have a fire alarm and sprinklers in my house - and they are also checked with all the requirements and deadlines - in case of problems.
Give a bribe to the inspector?
Not enough money - so that he would risk his place

[Vadivak]

Quote: professor

at some major MCHSnik

What is the virtuoso performance of the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the Tver region

[Simargl]

Quote: Vadivak

speech by the head of the Ministry of Emergencies of the Tver region

Yes, he is blue!

[your1970]

Quote: professor

You can treat Saakashvili as you like, but as President of Georgia, he dispersed to hell all of those inspectors from the fire department, sanitation, etc. Do you think the number of epidemics or fires has increased? Of course not.

and right there:

Quote: professor

It is necessary to beat all violators with a ruble. And so much so that they themselves will set the fire alarm "out of harm's way."

-you point the first is completely at odds with the second: if disperse everyone reviewers - WHO will punish ??? and what “Has the number of epidemics or fires increased?” Of course not."???

A split personality is wrong, any specialized doctor will tell you this

[Professor]

Quote: your1970

-you point the first completely diverges from the second: if you disperse all the testers - who will punish ??? and for what - "the number of epidemics or fires increased? Of course not." ???

Punish upon, not the results of the inspection, CEP. Poisoned at your restaurant? You will pay so that none of the neighboring restaurants will think about not fresh products. Have customers been affected by the fire? You will pay so much that all competitors in line will be on fire extinguishing systems.

Quote: your1970

A split personality is wrong, any specialized doctor will tell you this

Are you a specialist?

[your1970]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
1) that is, first you have to wait until several tens / hundreds of people die - having poisoned / from the fire, and then tear off the money from the owner in favor of the deceased?
2) and I YOU and did not make a diagnosis, I wrote that:

Quote: your1970

A split personality is wrong, any specialized doctor will tell you this

[Boris55]

Quote: Logall

Need to change the law!

Who will change it then, if we together voted in the Duma elections for the EP party, representing the interests of the bourgeois? Not ours - theirs.

Quote: Logall

The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president.

Yes, it’s our fault that we elected such legislators adopting such laws, but the president has no right not to sign laws adopted on behalf of the entire people by the Duma.

[free]

Quote: Logall

Quote: Herkulesich

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives. And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere, but there should be ... Let it be better late, but without them in any way!

As a result of optimizations, fire protection is breathing. Lack of personal staff can reach 40% in individual units, all this directly affects the speed of evacuation and extinguishing. Plus negligence is human. Plus GPN-u (state supervision) instead of being more strictly controlled simply banged every three years. Plus corruption of officials. And the result of all this mess is tragedy and sorrow of people. They don’t expect flowers from GDP (and without it flowers will bring from a pure heart). From GDP they are waiting for steps to restore order!

[72jora72]

Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives.

In the "Winter Cherry" checks were held regularly (this is so, for your information) ........

[g1v2]

Twenty-five again. Each state of emergency has a name, surname and patronymic. A fallen rocket or plane. burnt house or sunken ship. But the guilty do not interest you, right? You just need to throw the feces on the fan? Do not be ashamed to move politics on corpses? Although of course not ashamed.

[Moor]

Quote: Logall

Three years without checks is one of his initiatives.

The "tax break" you are writing about is a small business privilege. But who and for what money recognized this mall as a small business - this is an interesting question.

[would]

With the recognition of small business, everything is clear. The shopping center legally owns more than one individual entrepreneur, it is called “business splitting” on professional slang. For example, we have a training and factory complex on which equipment is assembled as a single complex, students are trained, and this equipment is leased. Actually this is one organization. Formally, three is three legal entities. The law does not directly prohibit this and do so ... well, consider that everything. Not everyone only between IPs do this.

They do this both to reduce the tax burden and to increase the resistance to typical raiding. Because it is one thing to squeeze one LLCshku, and quite another thing when for example in the whole business scheme there are four LLCshki and one IP.

[roofing hedgehog]

moreover, this and the same hedgehog of the shopping center, their owners re-registered these sheds into small sheds for bribes ..... let's see, the President said to check the entire chain from the beginning of construction to this day, I hope that they will not forget about other similar cunning centers ..yes in any city there are the same centers and the same ghouls-owners .. on the deaths of our children earn money for a comfortable life abroad .....

[210ox]

Bright memory of the dead .. Forgive us children for gouging, do not care, thirst for profit of adults.

Quote: Herkulesich

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

[siberalt]

Putin managed to lay flowers ahead of Amangeldy Tuleyev. What would that mean?

[Thrall]

Quote: siberalt

Putin managed to lay flowers ahead of Amangeldy Tuleyev. What would that mean?

Nothing at all.

[Click]

Tuleyev wanted to come yesterday, but he was recommended not to do this, because the motorcade could interfere with the work of ambulances!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Click

Tuleyev wanted to come yesterday, but he was recommended not to do this, because the motorcade could interfere with the work of ambulances!

and without a large motorcade you can’t ?! he has so many convoys of armored personnel carriers that he can’t get an ambulance? The governor is far from the most populated region, and not the president!

[Click]

This is not a question for me.

[LSA57]

Quote: Stirbjorn

and without a large motorcade you can’t ?!

not allowed. count. two three cars with Tuleyev and officials. two at least cars in the traffic police. it's minimum

[New Year day]

Quote: Stirbjorn

and without a large tuple is impossible?

I think he was just chickened. The crowd could break it.
And they were not used to walking on foot. We have governors - kings

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Silvestr

I think he was just chickened. The crowd could break it.
And they were not used to walking on foot. We have governors - kings

over, Shevchenko here on the blog told how to meet in Germany, the mayor of a large city arrived by car with a security guard, and he himself was driving. Such savagery is impossible in our country, otherwise the mob will not have any respect for the master! By the way, I wonder if Putin will come out to the people who are now holding a meeting in Kemerovo?

[LSA57]

Quote: siberalt

Putin managed to lay flowers ahead of Amangeldy Tuleyev. What would that mean?

Tuleyev’s niece died there. you would be more careful like that with such comments

[RaptorF22]

Dear, please change your profile picture when such tragedies occur. Writing with such a profile picture is at least unethical

[LSA57]

Quote: RaptorF22n

Dear, please change your profile picture when such tragedies occur. Writing with such a profile picture is at least unethical

and you are not looking at the profile picture. delve into the meaning of what is written.

[siberalt]

How can you understand your meaning if it is not there? Tuleyev himself said that his distant relative had died, and not his niece, but did not even mention her name. Is he really so shy? And the fact that he didn’t even visit the scene of the tragedy, he will soon be leaving, along with his organized criminal group.

[LSA57]

Quote: siberalt

And the fact that he didn’t even visit the scene of the tragedy, he will soon be leaving, along with his organized criminal group.

well read what people wrote above

Click (Ivan) Today, 07:54 ↑
Tuleyev wanted to come yesterday, but he was advised not to, because the motorcade could interfere with the work of ambulances!

[New Year day]

Quote: LSA57

Tuleyev’s niece died there. you would be more careful like that with such comments

carefully looked at his face, as it is not believed in his suffering

[LSA57]

Quote: Silvestr

somehow I can’t believe in his suffering

and this is your business. you don’t even think that a person has control over himself and how he can help people

carefully looked at his face

Did he probably laugh?

[New Year day]

Quote: LSA57

Did he probably laugh?

No, I didn’t laugh.

Quote: LSA57

that man owns himself

possibly.
But yesterday evening I just got drunk.

[siberalt]

You would have looked at the face of the regional chief of fire control when Putin tried to explain to him the difference between tax audits and fire control. Now he will definitely become an accomplice in the case of fire and mass deaths.

[New Year day]

Quote: siberalt

You would have looked at the face of the regional chief of fire control when Putin tried to explain to him the difference between tax audits and fire control.

so he’s the boss! How did he become one? Whom did he take on staff?

[your1970]

people not correctly put it - a moratorium is not on tax audits, but on small business audits (including fire supervision)

[Evgeniy667b]

The President supports the system devouring human lives, then he is responsible! And the share of guilt in what happened is on his conscience.

[Boris55]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

The President supports the system devouring human lives, then he is responsible!

And how did the president support something?

Quote: Evgeniy667b

And the share of guilt in what happened is on his conscience.

What is the fault?

[New Year day]

I asked myself a question yesterday: were there such fires in Belarus? I could not find the answer on the internet. If not, then the question arises, what is special about them?
I think the responsibility of people, maybe fear. Also not a bad regulator

[siberalt]

There is a KGB in Belarus.

[Maz]

Sorry, colleague, but there is a silver lining. An excellent occasion to disperse local system specialists and mafiosi. And not one reptile dares to, to yank against.

[karish]

Quote: Maz

Sorry, colleague, but there is a silver lining. An excellent occasion to disperse local system specialists and mafiosi. And not one reptile dares to, to yank against.

and instead the light elves will come

[Maz]

Yeah, the president was able to come to the scene of the tragedy personally, and the governor was busy. Worked. Worked. Oh well. There will be a new governor in the Kemerovo region.

[siberalt]

Already after Putin at the meeting said the phrase - “I can still understand when the accident occurs in the mine from methane emissions ... it became clear that Tuleyev was ending his reign.
The Kemerovo region is "combed" not childishly, but at the same time they will develop a methodology for complex inspections of the subjects of the federation. The nightmare for officials is just beginning.

[Vend]

Quote: Herkulesich

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

This is so, but for the president this is another opportunity to remove thieves and liberals from their posts. And no one can even make a sound against it. Heads will fly now.

[SOF]

Quote: Wend

Quote: Herkulesich

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

This is so, but for the president this is another opportunity to remove thieves and liberals from their posts. And no one can even make a sound against it. Heads will fly now.

... your words to God in the ears.
Although ... for some reason, I begin to feel the persistent smell of a color revolution.
... now they’re talking about hundreds of dead ...
... here, in social networks, “heartbroken” relatives began to broadcast political slogans and asked for “maximum repost” ...
... now we have gathered a crowd in the square (whether it is Maidan) ...
... now they have begun to demand resignations ...
================================
... I won’t be surprised if soon clashes with the police begin ............. and there will be other "dead", then - sticks, clubs, Molotov cocktails ....
... carefully rehearsed Makhnovism begins its run .....
.... and here, rib, another question arises: does it really take place eerie a tragic case of sloppiness and negligence? ... on Sunday, the first day of school holidays, in a building without windows and doors, built of combustible materials, with the alarm turned off, on the fourth floor, on a trampoline attraction with paralon cubes ............ .............................
.....................................
.................... is it really possible .........................

[Vend]

Quote: SOF

Quote: Wend

Quote: Herkulesich

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

This is so, but for the president this is another opportunity to remove thieves and liberals from their posts. And no one can even make a sound against it. Heads will fly now.

... your words to God in the ears.
Although ... for some reason, I begin to feel the persistent smell of a color revolution.
...

And you remember other disasters in Russia. All ended the same way, heads flew. And you should not dream about color revolutions. This does not happen.

[SOF]

Quote: Wend

This can't happen

... what dreams are there ...
God grant if the supreme, with his visit, managed to dampen the excitement, and if not?
Then all hope for Rosguard is that it will become a wall. Question: with weapons? Against who? - People indignant at the death of relatives, relatives, acquaintances?
And then everything according to the scenario of urkaina - "they are children", then a shot in one direction - a shot in the other ... and away we go ......................
Enough for the people who, now, are actively brainwashed in social networks in social networks, have the composure and mind to understand that all this is done on purpose?
P.S. ... read from below ... right below me .... It was not important whether the "newbie" was or not - he was, It doesn’t matter if there are 200 dead or not - they are. Do not find analogies?

[Vend]

Quote: SOF

Quote: Wend

This can't happen

... what dreams are there ...
God grant if the supreme, with his visit, managed to dampen the excitement, and if not?
Then all hope for Rosguard is that it will become a wall. Question: with weapons? Against who? - People indignant at the death of relatives, relatives, acquaintances?
And then everything according to the scenario of urkaina - "they are children", then a shot in one direction - a shot in the other ... and away we go ......................
Enough for the people who, now, are actively brainwashed in social networks in social networks, have the composure and mind to understand that all this is done on purpose?
P.S. ... read from below ... right below me .... It was not important whether the "newbie" was or not - he was, It doesn’t matter if there are 200 dead or not - they are. Do not find analogies?

Alexander shouldn’t bring everything together. People have sorrow, but of course there have already been provocateurs who took advantage of this grief. There will be nothing to isolate from the protesters. I saw how specialists competently worked at rallies. I am sure that the rally is already under control.

[SOF]

Quote: Wend

at rallies

... yes, at a rally I’ll stack them for you myself ....
You try to poke them from social networks. And our people are advanced - they don’t believe the mailbox, there is "Kiselevschina", but on the Internet - it’s all true water.
... really want to make a mistake ...
.... at such moments you need to believe in God and in the existence of a Better World ....
.... the eternal memory of the dead .....

[Vend]

Quote: SOF

Quote: Wend

at rallies

... yes, at a rally I’ll stack them for you myself ....
You try to poke them from social networks. And our people are advanced - they don’t believe the mailbox, there is "Kiselevschina", but on the Internet - it’s all true water.
... really want to make a mistake ...
.... at such moments you need to believe in God and in the existence of a Better World ....
.... the eternal memory of the dead .....

Yes, with the Internet more difficult. here only common sense will help.

[New Year day]

Quote: SOF

And then everything according to the scenario of urkaina - "they are children", then a shot in one direction - a shot in the other ... and away we go

do not bring the Lord such. But the power cannot be dispensed with, but the surgeon, and not the pathologist, should do this

[New Year day]

Quote: Wend

this is another opportunity to remove thieves and liberals from their posts

I hoped for it after the Crimea. Alas.

[bazzbazz]

You need to understand on the ground. But if the entire top rotted, then on the ground, to the last electrician corruption! And what songs about 64 dead. There, over 200, definitely exceeded! Children were burning in a locked room. Eternal memory to them.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: bazzbazz

And what songs about 64 dead. There, over 200, definitely exceeded!

Another unholiness! Where did you get the information about 200? Was it yourself there? Or the same balabol as you? What are you provocateur?Admins-ban these provocateurs!

[sgazeev]

Quote: Herkulesich

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

It looks like the GDP will accept the resignation of Babai. According to a colleague from Kemerovo, not everything was okay in the "Danish" kingdom before. It just grew muddy.

[Hadji Murat]

what will he change? nothing, you need to change the whole rotten system

[Mountain shooter]

Do you know how? Share ...

[210ox]

The rotten system is enshrined in our colonial constitution. Here we have to start with it. [Although this is not the topic now. Sorry quote = Mountain shooter] Do you know how? Share ... [/ quote]

[Hammerlock]

don't like living in a colony, go to hell

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Do you know how? Share ..

Lee Kuan Yu - plant three friends ....

[your1970]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Do you know how? Share ..

Lee Kuan Yu - plant three friends ....

the most police country in the world - on one Moscow with an approximate imposition, it is necessary to order 400 000 (!!!!!!) police officers

[Alex-a832]

Quote: Hadji Murat

what will he change? nothing, you need to change the whole rotten system

An empty slogan with which the pan-headed maydaunas changed the entire “rotten system” on their heads. Tighter business requirements for service security - yes, it’s overdue. Large malls and super-, hypermarkets are big businesses, so they should not be checked by local bureaucrats, but by interdepartmental commissions from other regions, so that there are no corruption “points” on them, and through such “points” violations become invisible. Any checks under the video and keep together with the acts of verification of 10 years, at least. And what for the three-year untouchable period for security control issues ?! Once a year, you need to check at least.

[RaptorF22]

Interdepartmental commissions from other regions ??? Do you really believe that officials will not agree with each other ??? It is necessary to attract people and not bureaucrats then it will be a good idea we will not agree with all of them so we will remove the corruption component

[Alex-a832]

Quote: RaptorF22n

Interdepartmental commissions from other regions ??? Do you really believe that officials will not agree with each other ??? It is necessary to attract people and not bureaucrats then it will be a good idea we will not agree with all of them so we will remove the corruption component

I saw it in action and it works! And attracting the “people” is nothing more than a slogan for simpletons. The specialist under the nose of a layman can turn black into white and vice versa, and he will not suspect anything. The attraction of the "people" in the laws of Russia is used - for example, the institution of witnesses. And it is not as effective as we would like.

[RaptorF22]

If your specialist who wants to do black and white has independent experts from the people + public control and not your bureaucrats and specialists who are apparently not from the world this time they are not from the people, then it will be much more difficult to hide numerous TB violations! And these are not slogans, but a real opportunity to avoid such tragedies that happened precisely because of the reluctance of the people responsible for security to do their job. Just bureaucrats and hucksters do not want to allow people who could bring them to clean water into their inter-quarters!

[sdc_alex]

Quote: RaptorF22n

independent professionals from the people

Interestingly, you divided everyone ... specialists, officials, businessmen and a mysterious substance - PEOPLE.
Are specialists, officials and komersants - these are the people? Or are they coming to us from Mars? where did you get the idea that the "people" will be impartial and not interested? who will determine the composition of the checking "people" ?? to pass punishment to the guilty, will the people also ??? are you calling for anarchy? Lynch Court? "area power" ??

[karish]

Quote: RaptorF22n

Interdepartmental commissions from other regions ??? Do you really believe that officials will not agree with each other ??? It is necessary to attract people and not bureaucrats then it will be a good idea we will not agree with all of them so we will remove the corruption component

attract people?
what a stupid thing.
people just honestly have to do their job.
if corruption pervades the entire vertical and it begins precisely from below — from the people — who are the first to give bribes in this food chain.
people must not be attracted — the mentality of the people must be changed.

[B.T.V.]

Quote: karish

people must not be attracted — the mentality of the people must be changed.

"You can therefore not be a poet, but you must be a citizen" ...

[karish]

Quote: B.T.W.

Quote: karish

people must not be attracted — the mentality of the people must be changed.

"You can therefore not be a poet, but you must be a citizen" ...

Is a citizen ready to share responsibility for a fire extinguishing system in which he does not understand nichrome?

[RaptorF22]

Stupidity people do not need to attract? Well then, it becomes clear where they come from super specialists who are so afraid of public control and their people are somehow not the same and the mentality in our opinion is wrong, now everything has become clear to me!

[sdc_alex]

Quote: RaptorF22n

some people are not like that and our mentality is wrong

When people in Germany say that pedestrians should be allowed to cross the road, no one asks questions, and only in Russia the question arises: "Do you need to start passing when you have already stepped on the carriageway or before that? How can I pass? Immediately or later?"

[sib.ataman]

The sentence is correct, but who will hear it?

[RaptorF22]

We all!!! We are the people. We can if we all unite to overcome this swamp of indifference and indifference of bureaucrats and hucksters.

[karish]

Quote: RaptorF22n

We all!!! We are the people. We can if we all unite to overcome this swamp of indifference and indifference of bureaucrats and hucksters.

the impression is that bureaucrats and hucksters sent to you from Mars.

[Alex-a832]

Quote: RaptorF22n

We all!!! We are the people. We can if we all unite to overcome this swamp of indifference and indifference of bureaucrats and hucksters.

Enough to pour empty slogans of pan-legged, and even on human tragedy!
And with such a nickname "RaptorF22n", the question arose about the aspirations of the fate of the Russian people! Doesn't the State Department’s training manual say how to choose a nickname for yourself so that Russians don’t annoy ?!

[RaptorF22]

It’s clear now it’s clear I’m turning out to be a polemic with a very stubborn person, I suggested a fully working program of action, and it turns out you have nothing to offer, you can’t just cling to Nicky. Apparently you have something like that with a nervousness because the agents of the State Department of Bandera and everything else seem to you you don’t need to sit on topvar but urgently treated because your illness will probably be dangerous to progress and you may become dangerous to others

[LSA57]

Quote: RaptorF22n

only Nicky cling to. Apparently you have something related to nervousness

pereobulsya

RaptorF22n Today, 08:37 ↑
Dear, please change your profile picture when such tragedies occur. Writing with such a profile picture is at least unethical

[vlad66]

Quote: RaptorF22n

We all!!! We are the people. We can if we all unite to overcome this swamp of indifference and indifference of bureaucrats and hucksters.

Maidan? Pan on the head? Thank you, the example of the neighbors is somehow not inspiring, and they fought in Chechnya, for which something does not pull.

[RaptorF22]

I look at your post sadly and I understand that they are very unhappy people who offer them public control to prevent such tragedies and they have pans and other nonsense on their minds with such freaks, we are unlikely to be able to do anything positive for you in Ukraine or the State Department that you love and what’s there 'brothers in mind will be worthy of a friend so to speak though they have a slightly different point of view but I think you will find a common language with them

[your1970]

Quote: RaptorF22n

I look at your post sadly and I understand that they are very unhappy people who offer them public control to prevent such tragedies

- in Soviet times there was such a popular control, yeah ...
And the people were very fond of participating in this - one could get hold of a deficit, make connections, blat ...

But you do not know this by age ....

[vlad66]

Quote: RaptorF22n

you would like to Ukraine or the State Department that you love so much and what is there

That's when the nickname change your

RaptorF22n

then you will accuse someone of love for the State Department.

Quote: RaptorF22n

brothers in mind will be worthy of a friend, so to speak, though they have a slightly different point of view, but I think you will find a common language with them

Required Yes, and they all go there with pots on their heads.

[RaptorF22]

And how do you propose to change?

[LSA57]

Quote: RaptorF22n

And how do you propose to change?

why ask? such as you are one way sweetest, maidan

[RaptorF22]

Have you heard somewhere about Maidan or is it somewhere in your wet dreams

[LSA57]

Quote: RaptorF22n

You

tell WHOM will you poke? or guess it yourself?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Hadji Murat

what will he change? nothing, you need to change the whole rotten system

Oval loves to "change system" @

[jovanni]

Citizens demanded the resignation of the mayor, who went out to talk with the assembled residents of the city

Yes, in every major city there is a similar center, or even not one. The same materials are used, the same layouts are moronic. Mayors and their children are hardly going to rest there ...

[sib.ataman]

Children or relatives, often co-owners directly, or through dummies!

[Scoun]

Quote: sib.ataman

Children or relatives, often co-owners directly, or through dummies!

In our city, just like that, two shopping centers under the Merz hand and relatives rebuilt, and one shopping center did not miss the examination (for concrete) added additional columns.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Jovanni

Yes, in every major city there is a similar center, or even not one.

There is a large shopping center “Rus on the Volga” in Tolyatti, during the reconstruction 2 TB engineers were replaced - people left, not wanting to take responsibility. But the building was still reconstructed.
Previously, in this shopping center on each floor there was an exit to the street, there were huge windows overlooking the balconies, through which, in case of fire, the same could be saved.
Now it is a huge building with exits ONLY on the ground floor.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Ingvar 72

In Togliatti there is a large shopping center "Russia on the Volga"

By the way, today all emergency exits were opened, but usually they are all closed.

[Herculesic]

How many tragedies have already happened, how many high commissions have been — the result is zero, since people are dying!

[Ushly_bashkort]

If such tragedies happen systematically, then it's time to change something in the system. The question is, will he have enough will?

[Alex66]

Well this is like a sickle to myself .., i.e. Faberge.

[Mountain shooter]

He could not help but come ... Man because ...

[XII legion]

What a pity the children!
A friend lives in Kemerovo - says more than 200 people burned out. Our future.
Tuleyev sat up - he was selling everything he could, the miners would die, now the children.
But flowers lay.

[Gray brother]

Quote: XII Legion

A friend lives in Kemerovo - says more than 200 people burned out. Our future.

Would you climb here with your "acquaintances".

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Gray Brother

Would you climb here with your "acquaintances

And the fact that the bodies of the dead give out non-disclosure only - did you come up with the same thing on “Matzo Ear”? The investigative committee is already making excuses. that this is supposedly a standard procedure.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And the fact that the bodies of the dead are issued only under a non-disclosure subscription -

Isn't that your friend?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Gray Brother

Isn't that your friend?

Why are you exaggerating? What is, that is, is not necessary.

Social networks are also actively discussing information that the bodies of the dead are given to relatives only on the basis of the signing of a “security paper”. The signing of such documents is provided for by the criminal procedure legislation and is dictated, first of all, by the interests of the victims

"- said in the TFR.
Further, according to the number of deaths - 64 people were only recognized dead

Now 38 are missingMost of which are children. Of the 64 dead, only 25 victims of the tragedy were identified, 13 of them minors. As for the victims, according to the Kemerovo authorities, 69 people had to be hospitalized.

Those. 64 died, 38 missing. but I think you understand that they are the same .... all this is creepy.
But once again I repeat - the government itself gave rise to speculation.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Why are you exaggerating? What is, that is, is not necessary.

"Social media is also actively discussed."
Grandmas at the entrance, too, much is being discussed. Why are you dragging it here? I don’t understand.
This is not a “certain secrecy paper”, but a document on the non-dissemination of data on the case without proper permission, which means specifically the investigation materials disclosure of which may affect the course of the investigation.

The document has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of the bodies to relatives; victims, witnesses and suspects sign it.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Gray Brother

"Social media is also actively discussed."

This is a fragment from the answer of SK, you can easily find the full version on the Internet. And not only on the echo of matzah.

[dik-nsk]

link with excuses SK, pliz? they’ve already got fakes on the blood (this is not for you) ... they will sort it out and officially declare how many dead, 64 are those who were declared missing ..

[LSA57]

Quote: dik-nsk

64 are those who are reported as missing ..

this is how many bodies are detected

[dik-nsk]

оба руж руж "" это это это это this is from the media, I watch a meeting online from Kemerovo
UPD (11:52) Officials are asking activists to give the names of the missing in order to find out how many were killed.
“64 is who claimed. So far, only 56 have been found, ”said Tsivilev.
Tsivilev - Deputy Governor

[LSA57]

Quote: dik-nsk

Officials are asking activists to give the names of the missing,

LOST !!!

to find out how many were dead.

the dead have already been found. 64.
where is the logic, find out how many dead times they are already in the morgue ??? find out how many are missing !!!

[dik-nsk]

“64 is who claimed. So far, only 56 have been found, ”said Tsivilev.
??? it is not at a point you see ??
about activists, the phrase, in continuation of the demands of the rally “tell the truth - there are hundreds”, they were asked to count, then the phrase of the deputy deputy about found (56) and claimed by relatives (64)
it seems Russian is written in white - as they read ...
and questions about the "truth" to me, I’ve just quoted from a broadcast

[Simargl]

Quote: LSA57

where is the logic

So the fact of the matter is that people can’t think because of stress, or they don’t know how, because of a "big" mind ... but some heat up the crowd due to this.

[Vadivak]

The echo of Moscow? The voice of provocateurs of which one Pasha Felgenhauer is a graduate of the Faculty of Biology of Moscow State University and an awesome military expert
2008 performance
"There will be very heavy losses for the Russian troops and there will be thousandth losses, including for our aircraft. You will have to face a fairly serious Georgian air defense system. You don’t have to drive militants around the North Caucasus. You must understand that you will have to fight for Ossetians and bear very heavy losses. Otherwise, we need to come to a political agreement. I hope that now the fire will stop and the search will begin for Ossetia to return to Georgia. There seems to be no other option. "

[XII legion]

I do not like?
Well, where to climb or not to climb - I can give you similar advice

[XII legion]

it's me to gray brother to

Would you climb here with your "acquaintances"

[spirit]

More than 200? !!! Before the inauguration so much could not die, the TV will not lie!

[purple]

Quote: spirit

More than 200? !!! Before the inauguration so much could not die, the TV will not lie!

relatives in Kemerovo live say about 300 ... but again this is all the rumors

[Ushly_bashkort]

There, "eyewitnesses" already write about 600, in a couple of days they will start talking about thousands. Why drag it here? Making farce out of tragedy is at least immoral.

[Gardamir]

Make a farce out of tragedy

And remember, in the desert, our Americans shot. the authorities swore that there were only 7, only there were significantly more of them.
And how many died it is possible to count approximately, where what classes were held? Who was supposed to be in the building, guards, cleaners, teachers? ..

[Ushly_bashkort]

And why keep silent the real number of victims? Or according to official figures, the number of dead and injured is not terrible enough? At my place, women are sitting here and telling each other what the authorities arranged for in order to distract diplomats from all over the world from expelling them. In short, these "tearing the covers" of these fools from work remind me.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

In short, these "tearing the covers" of these fools from work remind me.

But liberal scum reminds me. Worms are cadaveric.

[Mestny]

It depends on how you count. And what's in that moment in my head. If a reasonable person - you get a figure roughly corresponding to the real one. And if you just hate Putin, then millions.

[andrej-shironov]

Do you think that someone here strongly hates Putin? Do not flatter him! In the best case, the attitude is like a person who is tired and must leave, because he is not able to change anything.

[spirit]

GDP said that it’s not our people, but Prigozhin, he generally saw 1 time of everything! It's called turning on the back

[Servisinzhener]

That is precisely what needs to be indicated that it is rumored, and not in the style of tearing the veils and truth-seeking.

[Servisinzhener]

And why not 3000 or 300000? Not millions personally burned by Putin at the cinema? Maybe we will not spread speculation.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: spirit

More than 200? !!! Before the inauguration so much could not die, the TV will not lie!

still, and then immediately Khodynka pops up in memory, therefore, mourning across the country was not announced

[LSA57]

Quote: XII Legion

A friend lives in Kemerovo - says more than 200 people burned out.

I don’t know more than one catastrophe, where the number of victims in the agency OBS (One Grandmother Said) did not increase at times

[Servisinzhener]

And where do we get to know that this figure was not invented by your friends. Yes, in general, that such a friend exists.

[LSA57]

Quote: XII Legion

then the miners will die

in his garden?

[astronom1973n]

Quote: XII Legion

A friend lives in Kemerovo - says more than 200 people burned out.

I live in Kemerovo. Information about 200 people is a lie and a provocation! Tell someone you know so that you don’t rub all sorts of rubbish and people don’t balamut. And it’s so hard without you balabol-provocateurs.

[Ushly_bashkort]

Disconnect is not for this. There the goods will deteriorate, repairs again need to be done if the fire-extinguishing system has worked. ChOP most likely wrote off the signal on the remote control to a false alarm. Similar cases of the daughter and more. I already wrote that it is necessary to go through the country’s rink of inspections, and not only regarding fire safety, to prescribe to eliminate as soon as possible, to stop the operation of facilities, if it is impossible to eliminate, to shut it down and to hell, conduct such inspections constantly, fine so that saving on a fire and the rest seemed a mere trifle. Then effective owners and tenants will start to itch.

[purple]

Yes, no, the water does not pour on its own, there is no control, everything is simple, there are plugs in the nozzles of the sprayers that melt at a certain temperature, and water starts to pour, the main thing is that the pressure in the pipe is all.
A signal from an alarm, as a rule, often goes directly to the fire department.
here and often turn it off to facilitate their work

[Ushly_bashkort]

Yes, at 72 degrees. I just saw how the water supply to the extinguishing system was turned off, so as not to let the fuel tank fill in if something happened, I was surprised a lot by such sloppiness.

[karish]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

Disconnect is not for this. There the goods will deteriorate, repairs again need to be done if the fire-extinguishing system has worked. ChOP most likely wrote off the signal on the remote control to a false alarm. Similar cases of the daughter and more. I already wrote that it is necessary to go through the country’s rink of inspections, and not only regarding fire safety, to prescribe to eliminate as soon as possible, to stop the operation of facilities, if it is impossible to eliminate, to shut it down and to hell, conduct such inspections constantly, fine so that saving on a fire and the rest seemed a mere trifle. Then effective owners and tenants will start to itch.

you confuse a little between fire extinguishing systems and fire alarms.
Triggering whitefish.
turns on the voice warning, releases the magnetic locks of the shut-off doors, turns on the alarm, rings the elevators to the lower floor, turns them off with the doors open, turns off the ventilation, turns on smoke removal systems, automatically alerts emergency services - maybe something is forgotten.
the alarm does not extinguish.
Sprinklers extinguish - and they open (from the destruction of the holding ampoules) only above the place of temperature increase. (This is to the issue of damage to all goods in T C.)
i.e. the question is, why was the sprinkler fire extinguishing system not under pressure?
It is not possible to turn off the sprinklers themselves - the pumps did not work, and why?

[Ushly_bashkort]

Yes, I just didn’t write it completely, I already answered a little higher.

[LSA57]

Quote: purple

Yes, there is a fire alarm everywhere, without it the proto shopping centers would not have opened, here the question is in the solution .... ve, they themselves turn off the fire ... so as not to "write"

the guard who disconnected her has already been detained

[Ushly_bashkort]

He chopped off the alert, automatic fire works for fire fighting.

[LSA57]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

He chopped off the alert

A signal from an alarm, as a rule, often goes directly to the fire department.
here and often turn it off to facilitate their work

so I answered about it

[Ushly_bashkort]

Apologizing, I did not understand correctly.

[LSA57]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

Apologizing, I did not understand correctly.

nothing wrong
now many normal people’s head doesn’t work that way

[Simargl]

Quote: Ushly_bashkort

automatic equipment works for fire fighting.

Not necessary: ​​in order to avoid false triggering - it can be launched by him from a button. There is a person responsible for not pressing the button and switching to manual mode ...
However, there are many responsible people - this is a system ...

[Monetniy]

All this tragedy is a consequence of negligence and corruption, and only !!! Vasiliev was released the money returned to her, who is to blame for the theft? No one is to blame, courtship and nepotism are in the highest power. I would like to draw a historical parallel. When nikolashka ascended the throne, too, a bloody tragedy happened on the Khodynka field, as nikolashka finished, everyone knows, we'll see how these six years end ...

[Dangerous]

You would have told him about Nikolashka in person at that time. It is disgusting to read sofas, which, compared to any politician, is a donut hole.

[Black joe]

It is disgusting to read sofas, which, compared to any politician, is a donut hole.

Right.
Any statesmen, including nikolashka, are above both sofas and talkers - who suck every word of the leaders like grannies in the mound, not forgetting to lick one place in the ruling clique without any cause.
Terrible tragedy!
The kingdom of heaven to all the dead

[Bouncer]

Black joe

It's disgusting to read sofas

I want to clarify something to Black Joe.
Let not on the topic of terrible tragedy. Here, as they say - without words.
The fact is that the public on the forum is divided into "sofas" (that is, historians or something like that) and heroic (or at least experienced) warriors. The latter, that is, the former commanders of modern (or relatively modern) tanks or helicopter pilots, believe that, since they are experienced in military affairs, they are a cut above historians ("divannikov"). They will not understand only that their experience only relates to the management of a modern tank or helicopter. This military experience has nothing to do with events of 100 or 200 years ago, and the historian is a cut above this "seasoned warrior".
If the historian, considering the events of 100 or 200 years ago, resorts to the testimonies of the warriors of those years and applies the conclusions and achievements of the then war veterans, then the commander of a modern tank or a helicopter pilot becomes a “sofa”.
That is, "Stump" on a historical theme.
To the tragedy. Many shopping centers are now traps, during the construction and operation of which many norms have been violated. Better to avoid such places.

[New Year day]

Quote: Monetniy

Vasiliev was released the money returned to her, who is to blame for the theft? No one is to blame, courtship and nepotism in the highest power

this infection has spread to the level of small towns. They look up - they can, but we can not?
You look, now there are more officials in Russia than in the USSR. The country is smaller, the population is smaller, and there are more officials. And who occupies these places? Children, acquaintances. Will they work out the position? In my opinion, the answer is no.
This is corruption.
Never defeat corruption, if a corruption official knows, he will pay off, go to another job, and maybe the order will work (oddly enough, this can happen)

[LSA57]

Quote: Million

Didn’t the chock Tuleyev come? S * ka from the 90s ..

more careful !!!! his niece burned down there (((

Click (Ivan) Today, 07:54 ↑
Tuleyev wanted to come yesterday, but he was recommended not to do this, because the motorcade could interfere with the work of ambulances!

did not come?

[Million]

he would not leave then ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Million

then he would not have left there.

lap-hopped
I didn’t come, but as they told why, right there

then he would not have left there.

why didn’t you come?

[sdc_alex]

Quote: Logall

Quote: Herkulesich

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives. And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere, but there should be ... Let it be better late, but without them in any way!

There are warning and fire extinguishing systems, they only turn on only during verification. And as soon as the commission leaves everything is conscientiously disconnected. Because they are afraid of damage from the false response of fire extinguishing systems. A warning system "yelling constantly, about the lack of cause" ....
In short, the usual human gouging is to blame for everything, as a rule .... and maybe.
Although I don’t know what is “odd” in this particular case ... the investigation will show.

[vladimirvn]

Wherever you throw a wedge everywhere. The authorities will strengthen checks, our capitalists will withdraw the loot abroad. Enemies will rub their hands, the empire is weakening. The system needs to be changed, as they wrote correctly here. A system, in the broad sense of the word, and not just a fire safety audit system. But the guarantor will not do this. And it is not necessary to demand resignations, but work!

[cedar]

Quote: Vadivak

Quote: professor

And what faith does the owner of this shopping center have no meaning

Shtengelov Denis Nikolaevich was born on 14 on May 1972 of the year in the Tomsk village of Gubino, the population of 500 people. Australian citizen.

In my opinion he is of monetary faith

Do not forget, dear ones, that in the face of Theresa May's trap she announced an ultimatum to us and pulled 20 countries over the ears to expel our diplomats, and this is a war ...
And this is military action ...

We see in the root, dear ones, and we do not allow the enemy to drive wedges between us and Putin.
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

[andrej-shironov]

Eugene, I'm sorry but you write nonsense!

[Loess]

Here, many write nonsense ...

[tomket]

Quote: cedar

Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

The video is cropped at the time of ignition. Therefore, it makes no sense to discuss it especially. As it appears completely, then we will discuss whether the attack or not.

[Andrey VOV]

Quote: Logall

Quote: Herkulesich

There isn’t enough president for all the tragedies and fires - you need to figure out the tragedy yourself on the spot, and not wait for the distinguished guest from the capital!

Need to change the law! The fault of all in this tragedy ... And including the president. Three years without checks is one of his initiatives. Fire inspections should take place regularly, these are our lives. And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere, but there should be ... Let it be better late, but without them in any way!

[andrej-shironov]

As long as the ball is ruled by liberal capitalism in Russia, tragedies such as Lame Horse, Winter Cherry, etc. will continue. Mindless worship of the golden calf to the detriment of human lives! Therefore, it is not the mayor who demands resignation.
Once again, condolences to family and friends!

[cedar]

Russia has enemies and this is an indisputable fact of its centuries-old history ...
They are often disguised and may even express condolences, but at the same time their enemy essence remains and it must be seen and distinguished in order to win.
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

[andrej-shironov]

Indeed, Eugene, even you are poorly disguised.

[Fox]

Quote: professor

You can treat Saakashvili as you like,

I agree to 100500. Georgia responds very well about it ... our people went crazy, they didn’t take bribes and extort money !!! road-song ... compared with Abkhazia, wept ...

[Loess]

19 years as a motorist, the "gay" have never even hinted, to blame - get a receipt, not to blame - have a good trip ... Maybe the "gay" weren’t the right ones? Or should I offer it myself?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Less

19 years as a car enthusiast, the "gay" have never even hinted,

Where do you live? The last five years, yes, they almost didn’t take it, but 10 years ago they simply hinted very thickly, otherwise they promised to withdraw the rights (not for drinking). And already 19 years ago .... everyone is dancing !!!

[Artem Golovin]

Lsa57, trying to tell you that you need to start with yourself. Most of the Russians give money here or there every day ... here to the traffic cop, there checking someone - it’s easier because (One is easier, and the other is more profitable.
You know, this is from the series: what Putin brought the country to in 18 years, you bastard ... and throw garbage out the window! ((Start with yourself: messed up on the road - don’t give a bribe, but answer according to the law. We caught a child with a bag of dope: don’t pay the police on the spot - let them answer as a child, or weakly, let others solve the corruption problem, but in this particular case I will solve it, and tomorrow I will take up the fight and shout: Down with the bloody witch !!! (

[naidas]

Quote: Artem Golovin

you need to start with yourself

It's about paying taxes and sleeping soundly on a bench at the entrance.
So that, as you write, one must live with dignity financially, and not when the state is ready to take everything away from the people, but only a part of what they have gained from the servants of the people.

[cedar]

Quote: Fox

Quote: professor

You can treat Saakashvili as you like,

I agree to 100500. Georgia responds very well about it ... our people went crazy, they didn’t take bribes and extort money !!! road-song ... compared with Abkhazia, wept ...

How is it "Anything ..?"
08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. The attack of Georgia led by Saakashvili on South Ossetia. Tskhinval and the Jewish quarter of the capital of South Ossetia destroyed, numerous victims of civilians. Professor, you did not know this, you forgot this, you are not a Jew ..?
Such are the curved historical roads of Saakashvili and his American-Israeli owners ... and the corresponding songs of his cover group ...
See the root, dear ...
Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: cedar

Sovereignty. Russia. Putin!

Sovereignty. Russia. People.

[Smyrnof]

Gentlemen, we live who is to blame, it doesn’t matter in fact, but one thing is clear like a white light LAME HORSE motor ship BULGARIA drowned children on SYAMOZERA, etc. How many small emergency situations and how many such where there are no victims of people, we don’t know about them
In fact, after the collapse of the USSR, nothing sensible was built except that it could kill (missiles, tanks, submarines, etc.)

[sdc_alex]

Hospitals, schools and kindergartens do not count? plants?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: sdc_alex

Hospitals, schools and kindergartens do not count? plants?

Where?? Especially about the plants in more detail.

[sdc_alex]

to vskidku:
http://www.tvsz.ru
http://www.gazprom.ru/about/production/projects/a
mur-gpp /
http://rus.vrw.ru/page/novye-zavody-i-ceha-rossii
-v-2017-godu

School - example: http: //shkola-53.rf
I can give you such a list of pages on 3-4
open your eyes wider ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: sdc_alex

open your eyes wider.

Remove the pink glasses. I know the situation with the "new" factories in Togliatti and Samara without websites.

[sdc_alex]

Close classmates and go outside, the situation around the country I know without proverbial sites.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: sdc_alex

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[your1970]

Quote: Smirnof

Gentlemen, we live who is to blame, it doesn’t matter in fact, but one thing is clear like a white light LAME HORSE motor ship BULGARIA drowned children on SYAMOZERA, etc. How many small emergency situations and how many such where there are no victims of people, we don’t know about them
In fact, after the collapse of the USSR, nothing sensible was built except that it could kill (missiles, tanks, submarines, etc.)

- if you have not been told this, this does not mean that this was not ...
1) a ship in Ulyanovsk in the 70s under the bridge
2) "Admiral Nakhimov"
3) the marshal burned out at the spaceport (and with him a bunch of scientists / military)
4) emission at the Mayak
5) Chernobyl
6) Sverdlovsk -19 (epidemic)
7) Saratov, 74th, typhoid (!!) (up to 600 dead)
8) the pensioners' house burned down in our country in 1978 - 92 dead
9) the explosion of trains near Ufa, 1989, 575 people were killed (according to other sources 645), 181 of them were children
10) collision of aircraft with Pakhtakor, 1979
11) and further, further
"But he has nothing to do with it, as always." - and "dear Leonid Ilyich !!" for some reason, too, had nothing to do with it ...

[Z_G_R]

Nobody argues, but at least in the USSR the real culprits of this or that event were punished. Plus, it’s worth noting that you listed an emergency for 50 years, and half of them are technical in nature, when there was no information that such a thing was possible. Like an ejection on the lighthouse. Epidemics are also such an example; epidemics arose around the world in those days. Well, trains with Chernobyl are not quite the USSR, Gorbachev is already starting his restructuring. As a result, we have disasters, but for half a century there are not so many of them, and in just a few years we have only tin what is happening.

[your1970]

1) I listed only those state of emergency about which I knew and remembered myself - I did not look for them somewhere. If I search it will be many times more
2) the epidemic in Saratov was after the Parties and the Government were reported at the end of 60 - that typhus was defeated in general and completely. Sverdlovsk-19 generally leak bacteriological weapons ..
3) trains and Chernobyl is quite a USSR
Z.Y. it was all, they just didn’t shout about it at every corner - they just kept secret in secret .... And now, due to the news, it seems that there are continuous incidents ..

[Z_G_R]

So no one denies that there were an emergency, just anyway it was mainly connected with industry or military activity. The country was engaged in production and science. There, for the first time, people came across certain factors and often did not really know anything about them. And we have a series of civil disasters associated with the negligence of the founders and supervisory authorities. So commonplace that you might think people are very degraded in comparison with previous times.

Z.Y. in secret, you can quietly say anything, no one canceled the exaggeration and distortion. But one thing I know for sure, before I didn’t even lock the apartment, but now I won’t dare to do that. Although it is worth admitting, the USSR was silent about a lot, but it is far from such a chaos as now ...

[your1970]

Quote: Z_G_R

But one thing I know for sure, before, I didn’t even lock the apartment,

"And what could you steal? a crystal vase?" Library of world literature "? Change-8M? Rubin TV, which the four had to take out? What? What was it locked up?
And about the civil disasters everyone was silent and did not blather ... I gave examples, when it was civilians who died. And you can dig up such examples, right now I remembered the Rossiya hotel.
Or, on the stage, our tanks with phosphorus went down and burned for 3 or 4 days, and the smoke pulled towards the village, and how many people poisoned that smoke - no one knows and then it was not interesting to any of the authorities
Grain warehouses exploded-5 dead, drank from payday, apparently someone smoked. It exploded so that the floor was trembling ..

And the houses were crumbling, and the planes were falling, and the ships were sinking, just then they didn’t shout about it from every iron, sucking all the details

[Z_G_R]

oh something, I doubt your words. There were accidents on the little things, but still not in such quantities, stupidly because the demand was then different. The point is not that civilians died, but that these emergency situations were of a production plan, and not in shops and movie theaters. That is the point. Again, I say that it is worth recognizing that a lot was hushed up.

And there is always something to steal, it is strange to listen to such an argument. Now they are ready to kill for the phone.

[your1970]

1) I do not want to search now, no desireYou can see for yourself - both cinemas and other places of mass congestion were on fire (I already quoted Rosiiu). The shops didn’t burn - they, such stores, were stupidly not big, everyone went to Moscow for things / shortages. Not much was hushed up then - but all which went beyond a certain framework. For example, everyone heard that Hitler’s birthday was celebrated in Saratov, but there was no open trial ....
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Quote: Z_G_R

And there is always something to steal, it is strange to listen to such an argument. Now they are ready to kill for the phone.

- then the people were afraid of buying stolen goods - you never know ..... There was nothing to take from the population, so very few people bought the stolen goods. The same Rubin stolen and bought would have stood for a very short time, neighbors / friends would have stukanuli - a clear violation of technology receiving deficiency

Now the stolen phone from you is very easily bought at any market outbid - yes, for a penny, but bought without question. Therefore, now it is much more profitable to steal than in the times of the USSR - there is an easy sale ..

[Z_G_R]

here you are all right and say, now the system is different, more suitable for crimes. All that I wanted to hear from you.

As for “I don’t want to search,” as I understand it, the USSR simply existed for about 80 years, of course, there was enough emergency. But Russia over the past 20 years only "do not want to search" suffered no less.

The Union had enough shortcomings, you can’t argue with that, I do not defend it in this regard. But it’s worth recognizing that, from the point of view of an ordinary citizen, life in the USSR was much safer than in today's Russia.

[your1970]

safer country? Yes, the citizens did not know nifiga, therefore, was illusion security. Examples of "security" (I didn’t want to look, you added me !!!)
only 1981, only aviation
February 7
plane crash in the Leningrad Region: almost immediately after takeoff from a military airfield in Pushkin, the Tu-104 transport plane crashed, carrying more than 50 people., including admirals and generals from among the leaders of the Pacific Fleet (among them fleet commander Admiral E. Spiridonov). The causes of the tragedy: aircraft congestion, crew errors and adverse weather conditions.
28 April
near the village of Lazo (Yakut Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic) the plane An-2 TP crashed. Died 12 people.
13 June
due to bad weather on the eastern shore of the lake. Baikal crashed (crashed into a mountain) Il-14 plane. Died 52 people.
1 of August
during the flight in the region of the Shantar Islands (Khabarovsk Territory), due to the deterioration of weather conditions, the Il-14 M plane collided with a sheer cliff. Died 11 people.
24 of August
near Zavitinsk (the region of Blagoveshchensk, Amur Region), an An-5000 passenger plane and a Tu-24 military transport collided in air at an altitude of more than 16 m. Died 31 people., 1 passenger miraculously escaped.
on September 18
in the area of ​​Zheleznogorsk (Irkutsk region) due to the inconsistency of the actions of civilian and military dispatchers, the Yak-40 passenger plane crashed into the Mi-400 military helicopter in clouds at an altitude of 8 m. Of those on board the Yak-40 died 33 people, on board a helicopter - 7.
16 November
when landing at the airport of Norilsk (Krasnoyarsk Territory), a Tu-154 plane crashed due to a failure of on-board equipment. Died 99 people out of 167 passengers and crew, the rest were injured.
26 November
near the settlement of Ust-Kulom (Komi Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic), the aircraft An-2 TP and An-2P collided in the air. The reason is a dispatcher error. Died 15 people.
in total 310 dead, it is possible that not all air crashes entered here and I missed something
Once again, just one year 1981 exclusively aviation-A totally normal year for aviation, by the way ...

Safely?

[mik0588]

Again, as in all previous cases (and how many have already been, those cases when the "useful capitalist" turned out to be a negligent bastard?)
Everyone is hurt and everyone is bitter. But a model of behavior imposed on us: 1) tears and condolences, 2) change of avatars and candles in social networks, 3) compensation to relatives, 4) all over again - such a model will not work, it cannot work forever.
The roof of the entertainment center will collapse. The supermarket will burn. The coal mine will explode. The plane will crash. A pleasure boat, fishing trawler or boat with children will sink. A bus with workers will fall into the abyss. In most episodes, upon closer inspection, the responsibility should fall on the owner. But does not fall. Although it was the owner who “wanted to save,” or rather, wanted to make money. After all, “making money” means saving, that is, stealing from someone:
- work time,
- time for pre-flight rest
- social package,
- money for the installation of a fire alarm or mine gas analyzer,
- anti-icing fluid or certified parts.
When the Chernobyl tragedy occurred, volunteers went from all over the country. They saved lives, but not the reputation or property of the huckster. When the earthquake in Spitak, volunteers from all over the country rushed in, but not in order to assist a private developer.
There were accidents in the USSR, no one argues. And plane crashes happened (although ten times less often), but these tragedies were experienced by a society that was not divided into serfs and nobles. They were not caused by someone's thirst for profit. Do you understand the difference?

[sdc_alex]

Quote: mik0588

experienced by a society not divided into serfs and nobles

oh oh ???
There were other state of emergency in the Union, and they were also associated with “names, surnames,” with holiday dates, with the care of individual personalities about their seats, etc. etc. No need to idealize the Union. One might think of the USSR as a country entirely of noble and half-honest honest "light elves," as one speaker put it above.
And do we know all the details of those accidents? About Chernobyl, for example, much is still unknown.

From a part, on his nobility and disinterestedness of help, the USSR was burned. Maybe sometimes it would be worth thinking about such things as profit, expediency, income, etc.

[mik0588]

.. Chernobyl .. They still argue - but sho tse bulo? Negligence - or sabotage?
And, yes - socialism ended precisely in 1986, with the first Gorbachev novels allowing private capital and private ownership of the means of production.

[Artem Golovin]

Regarding APS, SOUE, AUPT. If it’s quite simple, then the APS is used to detect smoke / fire sources and that’s it. It transmits a signal about the place of smoke / fire detection and the SOUE and AUPT are turned on (if available). The power is removed from all magnetic locks (if the door is still locked, the sense is 0), arrows indicating the direction to the nearest exit and indicators begin to flash Exit, elevators descend, smoke exhaust is switched on .... There are no absolutely protected buildings, there is a proper organization. After detecting the sources of fire, then everything depends on the actions of the personnel! It is they who must thoroughly know the place where they work and carry out the evacuation! APS and SOUE are just helpers! Eyes / nose, if you want ... and a lot of scum to show where to run) AUPT, as a rule, does not work like in a movie: somewhere a fire started, and now water from the ceiling poured everywhere. Who will agree to this from the owners of goods of various, etc. ... and it's silly to pour everywhere. Where the temperature is above the threshold, the bulb in the sprinkler will burst, and it will begin to push it / these specific places. In the video from the shopping center, no work of AUPT is visible (((Security and staff worked worse than nowhere (((

[Horst78]

Quote: Artem Golovin

APS and SOUE are just helpers!

ATTENTION
"When operating the station, remember that it does not protect against fire. The installation is only used for early warning in case of fire." From our instructions on AUPS and SOUE.

[naidas]

Quote: LSA57

What does this have to do with TB? checking bribes?

And who solicits bribes, get a warrant and pay, then another one, etc., give yourself half of the fine so that they lag behind.

[Fidel]

in Kemerovo show online broadcast. rally, people gathered broke through the cordon ring, out of employees and moved to the central administration square. require the truth of the announcement, and the resignation of management

[Servisinzhener]

So the all-knowing fakes tightened up.

[Fidel]

and where does the fake, I voiced the info that they show that they broadcast. Without allegations

[Fidel]

Quote: Fidel

in Kemerovo show online broadcast. rally, people gathered broke through the cordon ring, out of employees and moved to the central administration square. require the truth of the announcement, and the resignation of management

they demand the resignation of the leadership, from GDP, so that it announces the true number of victims, and took measures

[cedar]

Since 2014, when Putin crossed the Rubicon and withdrew Crimea from under the noses of the Anglo-Americans, a trap war began against us to destroy Russia and us, its people, who still do not understand this, he is an “American” according to Zadornov ...
See at the root, dear. It is not necessary to take local measures, but to introduce a state of emergency in the country. The sooner we understand and do this, the fewer the number of victims will cost, and they will .., the trap becomes more and more Satan every day.

[New Year day]

Quote: cedar

It is not necessary to take local measures, but to introduce a state of emergency in the country.

who will introduce it? Seagull and Bastrykin, Medvedev and Shuvalov?

[mikh-korsakov]

But I personally do not understand some of Putin’s steps. He claims that the foundation of progress is small and medium-sized businesses. That is, now the salvation of Russia is good restaurants and shoe shops. For the population, in everyday life, this is true, but that's what a squiggle. Kemerovo and The Lame Horse appear. The fact is that if we omit the exceptions in the face of ingenious inventors, then small businesses simply do not have the funds for safety measures. The businessman thinks of it last, because TB does not make a profit. The state verbally saved the business from checks. But, firstly, financial audits, which bring profit to the inspector, somehow remained. But due to the lack of TB checks, Kemerovo sets in. But this does not remove the responsibility of the inspectors. During my work at the facility, which contains a large number of radioactive substances, an inspection major came to us. She did not go to the cyclotron, God forbid, there is radiation, but everyone will understand the fire there - this is a disaster. But then, when she saw a table leaning against the door, there was no end to any evacuation, there was no end to swearing from her. Then she calmed down and went to dinner with the director. I would appoint only former firefighters to the post of fire inspectors - these IMHO will not be lousy

[Nechaev]

It's a shame. 41 children died. Such is the beginning of the five-year catastrophe. The one who locked the cinema - for life. The actions of local authorities are doubly a disgrace, they blame the relatives of the victims for something, they blabber about provocations.

[bk316]

There are a bunch of firefighters.
Everyone understands that if the basic fire safety requirements were met, nothing of the kind would have happened. For this class of buildings, it is obligatory:
Fire alarm system
smoke exhaust system
notification system
in places of increased fire hazard automatic fire extinguishing system
the need for equipment of escape routes with automatically unlocked locks
equipment is needed to indicate escape routes in the absence of lighting
backup emergency lighting system needed
it is necessary that the personnel of the center have trained fire safety officers whose responsibilities include organizing fire actions before the firemen arrive and training the rest of the staff up to the organization of training alarms

Obviously, if all this had been and worked, then no one would have died. So there are specific culprits, then there will be landings.
I don’t understand one thing: in the head of people who close fifty spectators in the hall, they put locks on fire exits and turn off the fire, what would it not be squealing? Until we reach the people that we need to think a little with our heads, no inspection will help.

[GRIGORIY76]

Corruption in the country has long been the glue cementing the bricks of state institutions (including the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, other power structures), and as soon as the real fight against corruption begins, we definitely won’t miss this, the state will begin to crumble.

[New Year day]

Quote: GRIGORIY76

just do not miss, the state will begin to crumble.

you repeated the words of Yarovaya, the vice speaker of the State Duma.

[Nikolaevich I]

There was a Land of Soviets ... now, comments! I understand .... integration into "Europe" and all that ... but, maybe. Enough to "comment" ?! Isn't it time to do business? Isn’t it time to stop trying to be “holier than the Pope” for “entrepreneurs”? Isn’t it time to screw up corrupt officials, bribe takers, legal “frightened” nihilists and, for this, change the law?

[Fidel]

GDP met with an initiative group from protesters. as a result, the death toll increased

[cedar]

Quote: Silvestr

Quote: cedar

It is not necessary to take local measures, but to introduce a state of emergency in the country.

who will introduce it? Seagull and Bastrykin, Medvedev and Shuvalov?

Look at the Constitution, everything is spelled out there ...

[Skarpzd]

Quote: Less

19 years as a motorist, the "gay" have never even hinted, to blame - get a receipt, not to blame - have a good trip ... Maybe the "gay" weren’t the right ones? Or should I offer it myself?

I personally don’t remember when they last stopped .... I paid the last fine in 2011 for the case.

[Partisan Kramaha]

Quote: purple

Quote: Logall

And there are no autonomous fire extinguishing systems anywhere

we have in the shopping center nearby, we don’t have to speak for everyone, but about the checks ... for the sake of the dough, the supervisory authorities will close their eyes. it’s not about inspections, but about responsibility. If the director would be aware that if something happened, he would sit down for 10-20 years and not get dressed in any way, everything would be different

And not only the director, but also the one conducting the last inspection, is also simply obliged in this case to rattle on the bunk!