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The British fleet is in the best condition for half a century

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Last week, a report on the state of the armed forces of Albion appeared on “VO”. The expert, without being ashamed of expressions, colorfully described the decline of the once-powerful Air Force and Navy (the British army was not traditionally a priority).

British military expenditures are only 1,9% of GDP, which is not the best way affects the country's defense. However, the author became too enthusiastic about touching on areas of which he has no clear ideas. The lack of information was filled with guesses, which, according to the author, should correspond to the general line of his story.

Britain cannot rely on the “distant line of ships covered by storms of ships” of the “ruling seas”; things are even worse with it than with aviation.

"A shabby British lion:" Go away, old fallen cat! ", By Ya. Vyatkin.

Weighing the mistakes of others, few of us will not put our hands on the scales (L. Peter). Objectivity is a subjective concept. For accurate estimates, it is necessary to have full information, which is unlikely in practice. The maximum that a journalist can do is to be impartial when analyzing the data available to him.

A closer acquaintance with the Royal Navy leads to an unexpected conclusion: their fleet has been in the best condition in the last 50 years. A limited budget is enough to maintain some of the best Navy in the world. To verify this, rewind history a few decades ago.

1982 year, Falkland conflict: the best that was in Britain - the destroyers “type 42” (4200 tons) with limited combat capabilities. Eight units in the ranks.

The aircraft carriers and Sea Harriers failed to defend against the Argentine Air Forces equipped with 1950 aircraft. These were those aircraft carriers.

A couple of dozens of destroyers and frigates (2000 tons) built 1950-60х. The simple fact speaks about the capabilities of these “vessels”: out of eight dozen missiles launched by the “CiKat” air defense missile system were recorded ... 0 hits.

Not surprisingly, the 30 ships and ships (one-third of the squadron!) Were damaged by air attack weapons. The British admirals owed their victory to the even more depressing state of the Argentine armed forces, those of whom were denied 80% of bombs dropped.

The British fleet is in the best condition for half a century

Like a newsreel of the Second World War. The air defense of the British ships allowed them to be shot at close range.


Three decades have passed. How has the British fleet changed?

The combat core of modern KVMS - six destroyers of the type “Daring” (Type 45), put into operation in 2009-2013.

"Darings", in general, is also not a masterpiece of shipbuilding, have a rather problematic air defense system

From the same article.

Particularly strange was the mention of the problematic air defense missile system, given that the “Daringi” is the best of the specialized air defense / missile defense ships in the world. Where the British destroyers fail, no one can handle it.

How justified is such a statement? To make sure that they are the best in their class, just look at the ships.



Destroyer stands out to all. From a competent layout with an outstanding height of antenna posts, to the quality characteristics of the antennas themselves (2 radar with AFAR) and the PAAMS (S) anti-aircraft complex, which set a series of records for intercepting targets in difficult conditions.

“Daring” is twice as large as the destroyers of the previous type (Type 42). Its total displacement is about 8000 tons. The absence of strike weapons and long-range missiles is due to peacetime: in the bow part of “Dearing” a place for 12-16 additional missile silos is reserved.

Even a decade after laying the level of air defense of British destroyers remains unattainable for the Navy of most countries of the world.



In addition to the “Derring”, the surface components include 13 frigates of the “Duke” type (“Herzog”), which joined the Navy in the period from 1990 to 2002. In their characteristics and composition of weapons, they roughly correspond to the domestic BOD Ave 1155. At the same time, the “dukes” are younger than domestic BOD and destroyers on average 10 years.

In 2017, the next generation frigate Global Combat Ship (Type 26) was laid at the shipyard in Glasgow, with a total displacement of more than 8000 tons. It is expected that by the end of the next decade the Navy will receive eight such overgrown frigates.

This actually looks like a “shabby British lion”.

At the same time, the project “Type 31e”, also known as “general purpose frigate”, is being developed. A more modest version of the ocean zone ship, planned for construction by a series of 5 units.

Aircraft carriers

In 2017, the aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth began to pass the sea trials. With a full displacement over 70 th. Tons, it became the largest of the warships ever built in the UK. As well as the first full-fledged aircraft carrier of the Royal Navy over the past 38 years, since cutting out of outdated Arc Royal into metal in 1980.



How will the potential of the Navy change with the advent of Queen Elizabeth and his twin, the aircraft carrier Prince of Wales under construction, whose transfer the fleet planned for 2020?

Despite its outstanding size, “Queen Elizabeth” does not have catapults and is designed to operate aircraft with a vertical (shortened) take-off and landing. The actual size of the air group under the plan will be just the X-NUMX of the F-24B fighter and several units of the rotorcraft. In the amphibious configuration it is possible to place transport-combat helicopters (including heavy CH-35 “Chinook”), convertible gliders and the AN-47 “Apache” shock squadron.

It is known that even the American “Nimitsy” - unlike the more powerful and sophisticated ships with a larger number of wings, are not able to influence the situation in local wars. Then what do the English expect? Obviously, no significant force "Quinas" will not represent.



One thing is certain - even such a ship is better than an empty jetty.

70 thousand tons could not be wasted. The British got a universal platform - a mobile airfield with a couple of dozen fighters, an anti-submarine helicopter carrier, a landing ship and a maritime radar base - thanks to its powerful radar, Queen is able to control the airspace within 400 km.

Now he will be driven wherever it will be possible to use such a ship. The question of the need is beyond discussion. The status of "sea power" obliges to have an aircraft carrier.

With the advent of aircraft carriers, the question arose of the further fate of the landing ships Albion and Bulwerk (Oplot), which entered service in the 2003-2004. The British UDC does not differ in outstanding capabilities, yielding to the aggregate characteristics of the French “Mistral”. Given that amphibious operations can be provided with the participation of the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carriers, the planned service life of the Albion UDC (up to 2033-34) can be adjusted downwards.

The possibility of early cancellation of the UDC has another reason: the structure of the British Navy has a “shadow” element. The auxiliary fleet (RFA) is a special-purpose naval vessels manned by civilian crews, while performing purely military tasks. High-speed tankers, integrated supply ships, universal amphibious ships and helicopter carriers disguised as civilian ships.


Peaceful steamer "Mounts Bay" demonstrates dock alignment for amphibious boats


Auxiliary fleet is actively updated with new equipment. So, in the 2017 year, a high-speed tanker (KSS) of a new type “Tidespring” was put into service with a displacement of 39 000 tons. This unit is the backbone of the British Navy, providing operations around the globe.


Tanker RFA Tiderace parked in the American naval base Yokosuka (Japan)


Underwater component

In the ranks - 10 atomic submarines:

Strategic Purpose 4 and 6 Multipurpose PLA: Three Trafalgar (1989-1991) and Three Astyutes of the New Generation.

At the different stages of construction there are two more submarines of the “Astyut” series, the third one, which was built but did not have time to go into service (“Odeyshs”), began to pass tests in January 2018.

Given the technical condition of the ships, their young age and equipment (for example, all six submarines are carriers of long-range cruise missiles), the British Navy can claim to be second in the world (after the United States) in the number of combat-capable submarines.



In order not to retell the hackneyed truths, I want to share a couple of facts about the Submarine Service.

It is well known that in the armament of the British SSBNs are the American Trident-2 ballistic missiles. It is less known that the British use more advanced nuclear warheads of their own design, having adjustable explosion power (from 0,5 to 100 CT).

All six multi-purpose nuclear submarines are armed with long-range Tomahawk CD. Britain is the only one of the allies of the United States who was granted the right to acquire this weaponscombining strategic flight range with conventional warhead.

The rate of purchases of cruise missiles is small: every decade, the British acquire approximately 65 “Tomahawks” to compensate for the expenditure of existing missiles. The first combat use took place during the bombing of Serbia in 1999, the British submarines launched 20 missiles. Later, launches of the Kyrgyz Republic were carried out from the Indian Ocean in support of the operation in Afghanistan, the US invasion of Iraq and the bombing of Libya in 2011.

The worthiest of worthy opponents

The only fleet in the world with experience in waging a sea war under conditions close to modern ones. Able in practice to provide logistical support for a large maritime operation at a distance 13 thousands of kilometers from its shores.

Assessment of the status and capabilities of the Royal Navy is impossible without taking into account the geopolitical realities of our time. The British fleet is an integral part of the US Navy, having a multinational format. Anti-air quality "Derring" are used to ensure the defense of US aircraft carrier groups. Auxiliary fleet tankers escort American squadrons. Atomic “Trafalgar” launch cruise missiles to support US operations in the Middle East.

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  1. Simargl
    Simargl 27 March 2018 05: 53
    +2
    In the penultimate photo, behind the wheelhouse, is a steam boiler ?! request
    1. Vard
      Vard 27 March 2018 06: 15
      +6
      There is a small submarine for special operations ... Probably ... And as for the article ... The new ships and weapons did not have real use, and the armament of the only British aircraft carrier F-35, it seems, is not an entirely thought-out move ...
      1. Santa Fe
        27 March 2018 06: 25
        +12
        Quote: Vard
        There was no real use of new ships and weapons

        And who had it?
        Quote: Vard
        the armament of the only British aircraft carrier F-35 does not seem to be a very thoughtful step ...

        1. There is nothing to choose from. The only finished project fighter with vertical takeoff
        2. The British (BAE Systems) are developing the stuffing, Rolls-Royce - rotary nozzle.
        F-35B - half British project
        3. the only aircraft carrier is not the only one. Queen Elizabeth - a series of two ships
        1. Vard
          Vard 27 March 2018 06: 36
          0
          The second has not yet been commissioned ... and about anti-aircraft missiles ... in Saudi Arabia, what happened ...
          1. Santa Fe
            27 March 2018 06: 40
            +5
            Quote: Vard
            in Saudi Arabia that was ...

            Sea battles in the desert with the participation of ships of 1 rank
        2. Conserp
          Conserp 27 March 2018 12: 54
          0
          Quote: Santa Fe
          1. There is nothing to choose from. The only finished project of a fighter with a vertical take-off

          Everyone has excuses.

          Instead of one “queen” for the same money, you could buy as many as two full-fledged aircraft carriers and put normal planes on them - at least the Hornet, even the Rafal, even the Penguin-Ts.
      2. Safevi
        Safevi 27 March 2018 10: 26
        +4
        The author is right. Underestimating the enemy always goes sideways. Once the British were also underestimated, in the Crimean War. It was them who were going to throw their hats. And what happened?
        1. barbiturate
          barbiturate 29 March 2018 18: 48
          0
          and what happened? and the British there were not the main characters, the French lost almost 5 times more. And who and where was going to throw their hats? Confuse war?
        2. 73bor
          73bor 30 March 2018 07: 11
          0
          After Kaptsov’s article do we now need to start to be afraid? And even with all this, this “super fleet” is not impressive, “Dering” has problems not with air defense but with power plant systems, it is constantly under repair, the navigation area is limited!
    2. The comment was deleted.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 27 March 2018 06: 37
        0
        What are the seals ?!
        Here are the seals:

        And the barrel is either a steam boiler, or a bottle of whiskey!
        1. Santa Fe
          27 March 2018 06: 42
          +7
          Quote: Simargl
          whether a bottle of whiskey

          That probably explains the meaning of your posts
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 31 May 2018 18: 19
            0
            Quote: Santa Fe
            That probably explains the meaning of your posts
            Than? If anything - I do not drink alcohol. Absolutely. Not the first year.
    3. ydjin
      ydjin 27 March 2018 09: 02
      +4
      Dock camera for receiving the release of divers.
    4. dog of war
      dog of war 31 May 2018 08: 59
      0
      This is for submariners saboteurs, equipment is stored there for them and is used as a gateway.
  2. Professor
    Professor 27 March 2018 07: 15
    +13
    At the wrong time, the namesake published an article. Today, not many will be able to objectively discuss the UK fleet.
    1. arkadiyssk
      arkadiyssk 27 March 2018 09: 34
      +2
      And what is difficult to say objectively? Well, you can honestly say that the Type 23 frigates, although built in the 90s, are undergoing a steep upgrade, with equipment that will be installed on the Type 26 in the future. Those. replaced the radar (on Artisian 3D), replaced the towed HAS (on the Sonar 2087), replaced the air defense system (Tiger on the Sea Captor). What similar can our BODs boast of?
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 27 March 2018 12: 14
      +11
      Quote: Professor
      At the wrong time, the namesake published an article. Today, not many will be able to objectively discuss the UK fleet.

      In 2013 Kaptsov wrote in VO the same thing and a period of the same 50 years, then what now laughing
      Epilogue
      Currently, the British fleet is stronger than ever in all the past 50 years. The Royal Navy is a well-balanced and well-trained tool for solving any pressing problems, from international operations within NATO to conducting combat operations on its own.

      British Navy article: degradation or prosperity? dated August 8, 2013



      almost the entire British fleet is now under repair. According to The Mirror, all six British Type 45 destroyers are at Portsmouth's docks due to breakdowns and crew shortages. And of all the available frigates in the ranks, only one. While 12 more of these ships are idle in Devonport. Data at the end of 2017 and the beginning of 2018 is indeed the best condition for 50 years or 55 on the Kaptsov scale.

      But the most unpleasant thing for the British military is what is happening with the widely publicized Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier, commissioned on December 7. After only two weeks, the ship leaked due to a poorly made propeller shaft seal. As a result, about 200 liters of water flowed aboard the aircraft carrier every hour. I had to send him to the dock for repair.

      As you can see, fate shamed British Secretary of Defense Michael Fallon. Only six months ago, he loudly declared that Queen Elizabeth's sailing would cause envy among Russian sailors from the "dilapidated" aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov. Since then, our cruiser has honorably completed combat missions in Syria, but Fallon himself was fired.
      1. karish
        karish 27 March 2018 12: 19
        +6
        Quote: Ascetic
        As a result, about 200 liters of water were delivered aboard the aircraft carrier every hour.

        really, just a crazy leak.
        200 liters per hour.
        But it’s not clear how to cope with such a leak, scoop out teaspoons or tablespoons?
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 27 March 2018 17: 45
          +2
          Quote: karish
          But it’s not clear how to cope with such a leak, scoop out teaspoons or tablespoons?

          Well, who would argue, repair the same ....
          The shortage of spare parts for warships and submarines of the Royal Navy of Great Britain forced the British sailors to resort to widespread "cannibalization" of the ship’s composition, Forces Network reports, and complements Richard Scott’s article “NAO report highlights increase in 'store rob 'for RN fleet "published in Jane's Navy International.
          During the last year (2016-2017), 795 cases of cannibalization of equipment were registered on British ships, which gives 66 cases per month, compared with 30 cases per month in 2005.

          In general, over the past five years, the number of cases of "cannibalization" of equipment on British ships and submarines increased by 49%, and over the period 2012-2017, a total of 3230 such cases were recorded, with the dismantling of 6378 pieces of equipment.

          Well, as we have in the 90th. If this is the best condition for 55 (50 according to the Kaptsov calendar) years, what was then in the past? request
      2. parma
        parma 27 March 2018 12: 30
        +4
        But what then can be called an accident at Gorshkov during sea trials in 2012? .... such things are quite common ... And the trip to the coast of Syria was not so brilliant ... Conclusion, less shout, work more ...
    3. avt
      avt 27 March 2018 12: 28
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      Today, not many will be able to objectively discuss the UK fleet.

      That is yes. Azochenway! I’m definitely not drinking the drain. bully
      Particularly strange was the mention of the problematic air defense missile system, given that the “Daringi” is the best of the specialized air defense / missile defense ships in the world. Where the British destroyers fail, no one can handle it.
      Oleg! The sinful Az heard how the US with ,, Berkovich "bullet," Aegis, "seeming at a target depicting the flight of a warhead. And when the shaved on the excellent missile defense marked with ,, Daring "?
      70 thousand tons could not be wasted. The British got a universal platform - a mobile airfield with a couple of dozen fighters, an anti-submarine helicopter carrier, a landing ship and a maritime radar base - thanks to its powerful radar, Queen is able to control the airspace within 400 km.
      Oh wow! Did Oleg eat something? But what about the armor ??? ,, Zumvolt "which is still best designed by pests ?? wassat
      With the advent of aircraft carriers, the question arose of the further fate of the landing ships Albion and Bulwerk (Oplot), which entered service in the 2003-2004. The British UDC does not differ in outstanding capabilities, yielding to the aggregate characteristics of the French “Mistral”. Given that amphibious operations can be provided with the participation of the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carriers, the planned service life of the Albion UDC (up to 2033-34) can be adjusted downwards.
      bully ,, Fruza! Not my children! Come here, we’ll make a clean one. " bully Well, really - why have a UDC if aircraft carriers were built? bully Which seems to be the same .... not aircraft carriers, but
      The British received a universal platform - a mobile airfield with a couple of dozen fighters, an anti-submarine helicopter carrier, a landing ship and a marine radar base
      wassat Ahhhhhhhh! Got it! The docking chamber also interfered with other floating utensils for landing, well, specialized in transportation and landing UDC. bully
      Auxiliary Fleet (RFA) - special-purpose sea vessels manned by civilian crews, while performing purely military tasks. Fleet tankers, integrated supply ships, universal landing ships and helicopter carriers disguised as civilian vessels.
      bully good Masterpiece! But agree Oleg! In light of the above, well, in the presence of the same ,, Lisa "these
      universal landing ships and helicopter carriers disguised as civilian vessels.
      after ,, Okiyan "float nadyty somewhere.
      The British Navy is an integral element of the US Navy, having a multinational format.
      : good Here it was necessary to start and ... actually end bully After all, actually about this, it was in the previous cycle
      "A shabby British lion:" Go away, old fallen cat! ", By Ya. Vyatkin.
      It’s just that I didn’t notice that simple fact, given to the sensation exactly in World War II, that Britain was no longer able to independently solve strategic tasks in the Ocean, not being this very part of US NAVY. Since slowly but surely with the loss of colonies, Britain slipped to that state - ,, Do you want to ruin a small country? Give her an armored cruiser, "in her case, not just the fleet - a full-fledged squadron of diverse forces. That is, Britain is now able to be a subsystem of the Even System.
      Quote: baudolino
      "The only fleet in the world that has experience in naval warfare in conditions close to modern" - is this forty years ago in the Maldives?)
      I could not conduct the operation without reconnaissance and technical assistance from the USs, moreover, it was backed by a completely hated aircraft carrier formation.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 27 March 2018 18: 39
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      At the wrong time, the namesake published an article. Today, not many will be able to objectively discuss the UK fleet.

      Oleg missed one very important detail that the Crown fleet is one of the parts of the NATO fleet. And this whole FLEET will have to our fleet, inferior in many respects and have to withstand.
      1. Town Hall
        Town Hall 27 March 2018 23: 10
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        Oleg missed one very important detail that the Crown fleet is one of the parts of the NATO fleet.





        Did you just read the article? ... or somehow blurt out something
  3. sabotage
    sabotage 27 March 2018 07: 39
    +1
    About diapers and hibs already been? And about the Daggers?
  4. baudolino
    baudolino 27 March 2018 07: 49
    +1
    "The only fleet in the world that has experience in naval warfare in conditions close to modern" - is this forty years ago in the Maldives?)
    1. Santa Fe
      27 March 2018 08: 01
      +10
      Quote: baudolino
      is it forty years ago in the Maldives?

      There is no other case in history when a squadron defended on the high seas from jet aircraft and anti-ship missiles.

      The only case of massive use of SAM and EW equipment
      The only time that the atomic submarine sank the ship
      The only case of the construction of ersatz airfield in modern conditions, under enemy fire
      The only case of a large amphibious assault at a distance of 13 thousand km
      According to statistics, the norm of the required tonnage per paratrooper during World War II was 7 gross registered tons; during the Falkland Conflict (1982 year), the tonnage rate per British paratrooper reached 50 gross registered tons - roughly in line with current realities
      ...
      1. avt
        avt 27 March 2018 13: 14
        +5
        Quote: Santa Fe
        There is no other case in history when a squadron defended on the high seas from jet aircraft and anti-ship missiles.

        From the massive use of as many as five pieces of RCC bully
        Quote: Santa Fe
        The only time that the atomic submarine sank the ship

        The artillery project of 1930 designing, building before WWII and ... practically abandoned by an escort wassat YES! We forgot that the shaved fleet also fought off a whole ONE submarine and ... actually almost one attack.
        Quote: Santa Fe
        The only case of a large amphibious assault at a distance of 13 thousand km

        Without any of these UDCs, but heroically directly on the TDKs beloved by Oleg and if not for the American fuses on Argentinean bombs, then there would be no one to land. Heroic, without foolishness, Argentinean pilots could just as well cast iron castles. request Well, do not forget the last use of shaved strategists -, Volcanoes, "partially settled in Brazil bully On this, the strategic aviation of Britia itself ordered a long life.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 10 May 2018 19: 12
          0
          Moreover, the Argentines fired rockets by the piece. Would I see how they could repel the "star" raid? If not for the "paddling pool".
  5. Cheburator
    Cheburator 27 March 2018 08: 01
    +16
    The combat core of modern KVMS - six destroyers

    And 100 years ago, 6 destroyers were just a miserable error for a naval battle, such as Jutland.
    Now - the great fleet.
    As the saying goes - to mice already d-s)
    1. Santa Fe
      27 March 2018 08: 17
      +7
      Quote: Cheburator
      And 100 years ago 6 destroyers

      On the destroyers no longer any mines or torpedoes
      The appearance of the fleet has changed, the classification does not change - sailors are more accustomed to using traditional designations.

      The destroyers of the period of the First World War had a displacement of 1000 - 1500 tons, speed 30 - 37 nodes, steam turbines, boilers with oil nozzles, up to 4 three-tube 450- or 533 mm torpedo tubes, up to 5 88X caliber guns 102XNXX- or XNUMX mm, up to XNUMX XNUMX caliber XNUMX torpedo tubes

      The modern "Daring" - 8000 tons, in size - more than the cruiser "Aurora", the combat potential - is incommensurable even with dreadnoughts. Rank 1 ship with guided missile
      1. Cheburator
        Cheburator 27 March 2018 08: 30
        +15
        Yes, it is clear.
        I'm about trends
        1. Santa Fe
          27 March 2018 08: 37
          +2
          Quote: Cheburator
          I'm about trends

          And what is the trend in your opinion?
          1. Cheburator
            Cheburator 27 March 2018 08: 40
            +16
            I will not take issues of weapons and structure
            One trend is downsizing.
            The frigate (destroyer) - the base of the fleet, the brigade (and even the battalion or battalion group) - in the army
            1. Santa Fe
              27 March 2018 08: 45
              +3
              decrease in scale occurs only in words, combat capabilities increase

              In general, your point is clear. Rocket weapons and electronics take up much less space - so they stopped building surface ships the size of dreadnoughts.
      2. Conserp
        Conserp 27 March 2018 12: 21
        0
        Quote: Santa Fe
        The modern Dering - 8000 tons, the size is larger than the Aurora cruiser, and its combat potential is incomparable even with dreadnoughts

        Of course. After all, he has air defense of the level of a frigate, a scanty gun, and there is no other weaponry: neither strike, nor anti-ship, nor anti-submarine. (They plan to add RCCs of the level of a small corvette; they plan to put rockets on a helicopter)
        You can repeat the mantra as much as it is "super-modern", only everything is known in comparison - with frigates, corvettes and even patrol boats.

        But he successfully overtook the dreadnought at the price tag!

        HMS Dreadnought cost $ 330 million (at current prices).

        Each wretched Daring trough costs $ 1.7 billion - like FIVE dreadnoughts. Well, or as 70% of an aircraft carrier.
  6. san4es
    san4es 27 March 2018 08: 55
    +2
    in 2017, a new type of Tide Spring tanker with a displacement of 39 tons was put into operation.


    RFA Tidespring & HMS Queen Elizabeth came in to restock. The lines were filed, but the trial was terminated due to bad weather ... No luck request

    RFA Tidespring conducts its first replenishment of frigate stocks in the HMS Sutherland Sea.
    On April 14, 2017, in the English Channel, HMS Sutherland (F81) was accompanied by the Soobrazitelny and Boyky corvettes, which followed from the North Sea to the North Atlantic.
    1. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 27 March 2018 11: 34
      +2
      The decision to award a contract of 1.07 mrd. dollars for four units, South Korean Daewoo Shipbuilding Marine Engineering, turned out to be very reasonable.
  7. sevtrash
    sevtrash 27 March 2018 08: 58
    +1
    There is little to argue with. And all the result of a working economy, the available money for research and development and the fact that part of this economy produces the most modern military equipment. As if everything is simple - less need to steal, that is, to saw. And most importantly - to be a faithful dog with a great power. Or a dog.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 27 March 2018 13: 16
      +2
      Quote: sevtrash
      As if everything is simple - less need to steal, that is, to saw.

      And to buy idle and under-armed destroyers at a price of 70% of an aircraft carrier, and helicopter carriers at a price twice as expensive as a full-fledged aircraft carrier.

      Well, you, in the Blessed West there is no corruption!
  8. konstantin68
    konstantin68 27 March 2018 09: 03
    +3
    Nobody taunts the British fleet. Everything is known in comparison, and if you compare the Russian Navy with the royal, the picture is certainly not a rainbow. But there is a moment. The military doctrine of Great Britain is precisely the fleet, and of course this is correct. If you are on an island, you must prevent the enemy from reaching him and landing. But if we compare the ground forces, it turns out that the lion is still shabby.
  9. san4es
    san4es 27 March 2018 09: 15
    +2
    At the shipyard of the British city of Barrow-in-Furness, the nuclear submarine Audacious made its first dive, BAE Systems said.

    Audacious is the fourth in a series of Astute-type submarines armed with cruise missiles. The total displacement of the ship is 7800 tons, length 97 meters, crew of 98 people. The nuclear-powered icebreaker develops a speed of 29 knots under water and is capable of descending to a 300-meter depth. His energy is supplied by the Rolls-Royce reactor, and a water cannon sets in motion. The submarine is armed with torpedoes and cruise missiles Tomahawk.
    The tests were considered successful, the transfer of Audacious to the Royal Navy is scheduled for 2018.

    Jan 16 2018 year
    1. Korb
      Korb 28 March 2018 10: 25
      0
      Why does the submarine smoke ???
      1. san4es
        san4es 28 March 2018 10: 38
        0
        hi ... It must be steam for crimping the system.
  10. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 27 March 2018 10: 09
    +1
    Quote: Santa Fe
    Quote: Cheburator
    And 100 years ago 6 destroyers

    On the destroyers no longer any mines or torpedoes
    The appearance of the fleet has changed, the classification does not change - sailors are more accustomed to using traditional designations.

    The destroyers of the period of the First World War had a displacement of 1000 - 1500 tons, speed 30 - 37 nodes, steam turbines, boilers with oil nozzles, up to 4 three-tube 450- or 533 mm torpedo tubes, up to 5 88X caliber guns 102XNXX- or XNUMX mm, up to XNUMX XNUMX caliber XNUMX torpedo tubes

    The modern "Daring" - 8000 tons, in size - more than the cruiser "Aurora", the combat potential - is incommensurable even with dreadnoughts. Rank 1 ship with guided missile


    This is for some reason there are no torpedoes on the destroyers? Take the same Burke, it has 2 built torpedo tubes with anti-submarine torpedoes. The Japanese destroyers have the same weapons. On the French Horizons there are 2 twin TAs. Torpedo tubes are on Chinese, Indian and many other ships.
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 March 2018 10: 20
    +1
    "Despite its outstanding size,“ Queen Elizabeth ”has no catapults" ////

    But it has a well-marked springboard. I need it for the F-35B, they “B” take off very well
    and from a short section of a flat deck. A springboard was built for the F-35S.
    When they receive full certification in the USA, they will gradually begin
    equip all aircraft carriers of the United States, and then the British.
    What is less noticeable is the area of ​​the flat deck near the springboard.
    This is a prepared place for an electric catapult. At no 1) did not find funding
    2) they are waiting for it to be rolled in at the American Fords.
    Also, 2 British aircraft carriers - aviation platforms with a broad perspective
    development.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 27 March 2018 12: 04
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      But it has a well-marked springboard. For the F-35B I do not need it, they "B" take off well and from a short section of a flat deck. A springboard was built for the F-35S.

      Illiterate nonsense.
      A springboard is needed just for the F-35B (as before for the “Harriers”) - to take off not with empty tanks, with a short take-off.

      Quote: voyaka uh
      A springboard was built for the F-35S.
      When they receive full certification in the USA, they will gradually begin
      equip all aircraft carriers of the United States, and then the British.

      Halva, halva.

      A reference to the existence of such plans in principle.

      While both B and C are the same squalor.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 March 2018 12: 39
        0
        "A springboard is needed just for the F-35B" ////

        The F-35B is stationed on the U.S. Marine Corps.
        They have no springboards. (see U-Tube take-off videos for interest)
        And it will be placed on similar Japanese helicopter carriers. Which also have no jumps.
        With almost empty tanks and half bomb loading, the F-35B can
        take off altogether WITHOUT a take-off run. Strictly upright. Also - there is a lot of video material.
        I am always glad to fill in the gaps in your horizons. smile
        1. Conserp
          Conserp 27 March 2018 12: 55
          +3
          / facespalm

          It does not understand anything and does not want to understand. Surrounded by advertising booklets and experiencing bliss.

          “Harrier” also knows how to take off vertically. But they prefer to use it with a springboard.

          The physics of the process is always the same. Take-off without takeoff and springboard = minus 5 tons of load in the case of the Harrier.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 27 March 2018 13: 26
            0
            Urgently explain this to the Japanese who do not know physics belay .
            And then they gathered 4 of their helicopter carrier to turn
            to light aircraft carriers without any jumps using the F-35B
            1. Conserp
              Conserp 27 March 2018 16: 15
              0
              Wow, and where is the contradiction to what I said here? The next drain is protected.

              The Japanese want to fool around and exploit flawed under-planes in a particularly damaging mode - I wish them a passing pendell.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 27 March 2018 22: 33
                +1
                I also wish the Japanese success in creating light aircraft carriers.
                1. Conserp
                  Conserp 28 March 2018 09: 42
                  0
                  Useless penguins, not aircraft carriers.

                  We have 4 of these, many times the best, written off due to uselessness and conceptual wretchedness.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 28 March 2018 09: 49
                    +3
                    This is clear. Russia has no vertical bars.
                    F-35B is the only one on the market in the world. And it turned out to be reliable.
                    Not a single accident. Therefore, "B" is increasingly conquering markets.
                    It can land on any auxiliary ship of the Navy
                    and take off from it. Minimum alteration needed - add steel
                    leaf in a patch of landings.
                    1. Conserp
                      Conserp 28 March 2018 11: 11
                      0
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      F-35B is the only one on the market in the world. And it turned out to be reliable.

                      "Halva, halva!"

                      After a couple of years, write to me when the F-35 is finally at least allowed for state testing.

                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      It can land and take off from any auxiliary ship of the Navy.

                      And to be useless in flight.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 28 March 2018 11: 33
                        +1
                        "when the F-35 is finally at least allowed to state testing." ///

                        He is already successfully fighting with us. smile
                    2. Conserp
                      Conserp 30 March 2018 01: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: voyaka uh
                      He is already successfully fighting with us.

                      Yes, with the birds, using a ram.
              2. Mimoprohodil
                Mimoprohodil 28 March 2018 09: 43
                0
                So at the TAVKR project 1143 there was no springboard either. And the Yak-38 in a short take-off could
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 March 2018 12: 52
        +1
        Take-off of the F-35B from a short take-off from the flat deck of the USS Wasp landing craft
        1. Conserp
          Conserp 27 March 2018 16: 20
          +3
          Figures of loads and fuel after take-off - in the studio.

          I myself can, but I want to laugh at you.
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 28 March 2018 11: 13
            0
            And silence...
            1. AshiSolo
              AshiSolo April 1 2018 20: 23
              0
              Do you doubt it? They clearly showed you the picture. It also shows fuel and load. What are you? Do not believe am and the Jews? The most honest people on the planet?
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 11 May 2018 18: 09
                0
                Isn't this Photoshop?
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 March 2018 10: 32
    0
    "in the bow of" Dering "reserved a place for 12-16 additional missile silos." ////

    With the Sylver A50, the British got excited, in my opinion. It should have been
    to put the new American Mk 57 on more powerful CR and RCC.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 27 March 2018 14: 09
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      new American Mk 57 for more powerful CR and RCC.

      What for? If the news has passed that UVP zumvolta redo under MK41? The Americans are clearly not going to do any new non-MK41 missiles.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 27 March 2018 16: 51
        +1
        Yes. Under LRASM and MK-41 is suitable ... But in the English cell
        Tomahawk does not fit in length.
  13. komis55
    komis55 27 March 2018 10: 48
    0
    I liked the railway road deadlock, but everything else, well, there are cool things
  14. exo
    exo 27 March 2018 11: 39
    0
    Unlike the first half of the 20th century, England is just a part of the common NATO mechanism. But at the same time it is very effective. And the Russian Federation will have to fight with a solid mechanism.
    Underestimating the enemy is stupid. Although, it happens only at the level of the layman. It is clear that in the General Staff, there are realists.
  15. Alceers
    Alceers 27 March 2018 11: 49
    +1
    I know for sure what will be the topic of the next article by Kaptsov. This will be any of the new articles on naval topics, but with its complete refutation. It’s necessary to embed an article about the benefits of armor in modern boats. You look Oleg and she will rush to subvert ...
  16. Conserp
    Conserp 27 March 2018 11: 59
    +1
    Quote: Oleg Kaptsov
    A closer acquaintance with the Royal Navy leads to an unexpected conclusion: their fleet is in better condition over the past 50 years.

    Firstly, “best” does not mean good. "Best" - so before that it was even worse.

    Secondly, now it is one of the most inefficient fleets in history in terms of cost / efficiency ratio.
    .
    Quote: Oleg Kaptsov
    The destroyer stands out to everyone.

    Still would. Destroyers armed worse than a modern frigate (Air defense and artillery like a frigate, the rest is simply missing) - each of $ 1.7 billion (70% of the cost of an entire aircraft carrier!). In addition, in warm water they stall.
    .
    Quote: Oleg Kaptsov
    the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier ... he became the first full-fledged Royal Navy aircraft carrier in 38 years,

    What place are they "full"?

    Penguin-bearing helicopter carriers larger than the Kuznetsov - non-nuclear, unarmed - each at $ 5 billion (more than twice the price of a real aircraft carrier!).
    1. Mimoprohodil
      Mimoprohodil 28 March 2018 09: 47
      0
      And who sells aircraft carriers for 2.5 billion?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 28 March 2018 09: 57
        0
        Quote: Mimoprohodil
        And who sells aircraft carriers for 2.5 billion?

        Probably meant "Charles de Gaulle" - its value subject to serial construction estimated at 2 billion (without an air group and coastal infrastructure).
      2. Conserp
        Conserp 31 March 2018 13: 19
        0
        Indians bought a Vikramaditya along with an air wing cheaper.
  17. grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 27 March 2018 12: 31
    +1
    The article gives the number of units, but not a word about the combat readiness thereof. If it turns out that a significant part of the fleet languishes awaiting repair, the picture changes dramatically.
  18. vvp2412
    vvp2412 27 March 2018 13: 06
    0
    I didn’t even read ...
    Oleg again sings the praises of the Anglo-Saxons ...
    The fact remains that the British budget is not enough, and it is constantly being cut ...
  19. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 27 March 2018 14: 14
    +2
    Quote: baudolino
    "The only fleet in the world that has experience in naval warfare in conditions close to modern" - is this forty years ago in the Maldives?)

    Maybe Malvins, not Maldives?
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 27 March 2018 19: 22
      +1
      Quote: Okolotochny
      Maybe Malvins, not Maldives?

      - One word is Romanian.
      -So he's a Bulgarian.
      - Yes? Who cares!
      ©
  20. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 27 March 2018 14: 40
    +2
    In 2017, the aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth began to pass the sea trials. With a full displacement over 70 th. Tons, it became the largest of the warships ever built in the UK. As well as the first full-fledged aircraft carrier of the Royal Navy over the past 38 years, since cutting out of outdated Arc Royal into metal in 1980.

    Are you serious? An aircraft carrier with a displacement greater than that of the Midway, and slightly smaller than that of the Forrestal, but without a catapult, AWACS aircraft, carrying only 24 strikers (moreover, also KVVP) and having a speed of 25 knots (with a springboard take-off) !) - this "full-fledged aircraft carrier"? belay
    Yes, the closest neighbor of Britain laid the same air group of classic cars. plus a reactor and two catapults totaling 42 kilotons.
    Oh yeah, according to the report of the Parliamentary Defense Committee on Defense of the VBR (Parliamentary Defense Committee), the possibility of converting the Queen to AB with a catapult is purely theoretical, it has not been taken into account in the contract, and it has not been worked out on since 2002.
    Because the decision to go STOVL [that is the initial decision for jumpjets] was taken in, from memory, 2002, no serious work had been done. It had been noodled in 2005, but no serious work had been done on it. It was not a contract-quality offer; it was a simple assertion that that could be done, but nobody said, “It can be done at this price”, and certainly nobody put that in a contract.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 March 2018 15: 24
      0
      However, with two such aircraft carriers escorted by destroyers
      "Class 45" air defense / missile defense and strike submarines, and, of course, dashing special forces am
      you can safely swim to any part of the ball to conquer the Falklands ... or
      there is some kind of Indonesia. wink
      1. Conserp
        Conserp 27 March 2018 16: 18
        0
        “Halvah, halvah!”, “He looks good, but green!” and other Jewish folk songs.
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 27 March 2018 17: 12
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        However, with two such aircraft carriers escorted by destroyers
        "Class 45" air defense / missile defense and strike submarines, and, of course, dashing special forces am
        you can safely swim to any part of the ball to conquer the Falklands ... or
        there is some kind of Indonesia. wink

        Falklands - possible. Fortunately, the aircraft died quietly at the Args - only Super Standards remained.
        But in Indonesia, the “penguins” have a chance to meet with the F-16 and Su-30. And indeed it’s better not to go into those parts - it will only get worse. Because such a visit of an elephant to a china shop has every chance to push Indonesia into the arms of China (a difficult choice of two evils), which just needs to experience its first AUG. smile
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 28 March 2018 10: 01
          0
          Yes, I wrote more as a joke about Indonesia. You are right about those edges.
          I wanted to say that in England after the commissioning of the second aircraft carrier
          and picking their F-35B a real balanced ocean squadron from
          two small AUGs that can work anywhere on the ball.
          1. Conserp
            Conserp 28 March 2018 11: 14
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            which can work anywhere in the ball.

            A traveling circus tent?
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 27 March 2018 14: 44
    0
    to spoil, and everywhere the Englishwoman this is quite enough ...
  22. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 27 March 2018 20: 48
    +1
    I read and cried. such wonderful "deings", but for some reason everything is under repair. such cool "dyukas", but why the Russian ship going through the English Channel accompanies a patrol ship, which is almost not a military one at all, but to protect the economic zone. there are enough problems with the aircraft carrier. Prostitution and drug addicts on the British nuclear submarines have already been mentioned. I have not forgotten anything?
    1. domnich
      domnich 27 March 2018 22: 10
      +2
      Quote: TermNachTER
      I have not forgotten anything?


      For the 2018 year, it is planned to sell Brazil (according to another version of Chile) of both UDC Albion and Boulevard due to a lack of funds for their maintenance.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 10 May 2018 19: 15
        +1
        already sold. even the amount was called in pounds
  23. db1967
    db1967 28 March 2018 08: 17
    +1
    The British Navy can claim second place in the world (after the USA) in the number of combat-ready submarines.

    Author - please explain your math. Watching Military Balance 2018
    Great Britain - 4 SSBNs / conditionally / + 6 PLA
    RF - 13 SSBN + 26 PLA + 23 PL
    PRC - 4 SSBN + 9 PLA + 48 PL
    1. Korb
      Korb 28 March 2018 10: 37
      0
      No, well, you ask logical questions fool !!!! And what was he supposed to write about the high elves of Naglia ??? There, neither mathematics nor logic doesn’t roll, highlilikli, and that’s all, so there will be no answer, neither from the author, nor from our foreign partners wassat
  24. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 28 March 2018 18: 50
    0
    Sergey, I talked about ships, and not about some obscene "troughs" built according to the standards of civil shipbuilding and armed with several purely symbolic cannons, which all the same do not protect against anything. Well, you can of course distribute the slingshot to the crew - the effect will be approximately the same.
  25. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 28 March 2018 18: 57
    +3
    And one more thought about the Falkland War. Personally, my opinion, which I do not impose on anyone, is that the Foreign Office won the war, not the Royal Navy, together with the Air Force. If the British Foreign Ministry had not “pressed” France, then the Argentines would have received everything they paid for. That is, 12 "superethandars" and 60 "exosets" to them. And then Royal Navy would be very sad. Further, the British agreed with the United States on the supply of the latest modifications of the sidewinders, bypassing many who stood in line much earlier. And finally, under pressure from England, the Common Market country, the European Union was called so before, declared a boycott to Argentina, which sharply reduced foreign exchange earnings. And only then the fleet and the Air Force "connected"
  26. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 28 March 2018 19: 00
    +1
    And one more question to the author of the article. What are such far-reaching conclusions made by the British fleet after the Falkland War? What new types of ships, planes, missiles were adopted? And one more thought about the British landing helicopter carriers - the same junk as the Mistral. I am sincerely glad for the Russian fleet that they sailed by.
  27. 3danimal
    3danimal 29 March 2018 21: 57
    0
    Quote: Conserp
    flawed under-planes in a particularly damaging mode

    Look at the characteristics and compare with the “Harrier” and “F-16”, we discard emotions.
    1. Conserp
      Conserp 30 March 2018 01: 42
      0
      Do not worry, I have done this repeatedly over the past ten years.
  28. bone1
    bone1 April 9 2018 20: 12
    0
    Why did the author rush to defend the prestige of the British fleet? fellow -can an English spy? laughing
    The argument, of course, is amazing: "The British Navy can claim second place in the world (after the USA) in the number of combat-ready submarines" wink -Russia began to be at 3m ?, "Able in practice to provide logistic support for a major maritime operation at a distance of 13 thousand kilometers from its shores" wink -and what operation? -frighten Honduras? laughing , ““ Daring ”- the best of the world from specialized air defense / missile defense ships“ and the argument is “and you take a look at the picture” laughing ...
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 11 May 2018 09: 15
      0
      I am afraid that with the fact that the seisach has Her Majesty's fleet, even Honduras will already be scared. Silenks are not the same