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Repent, Mr. Fomenko!

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13 February 1945 in the village of Rutchenkovo ​​(now one of the districts of the city of Donetsk, Ukraine) in the family of engineer Timofey Grigorievich Fomenko and teacher Valentina Polikarpovny Markova was born a boy, who was named Anatoly. From early childhood, Anatoly showed remarkable abilities in the field of mathematics, was fond of literature, drawing, music, graduated from school with a gold medal, entered the Faculty of Mathematics and Mechanics of Moscow State University, graduated from 1967 successfully, and with 1969 worked at the same department faculty. Already in 1970, Anatoly successfully defended his PhD thesis, and in 1972, his doctoral thesis. Brilliant scientific career. Soon he became a professor, head of the department, a corresponding member, and then a full member of the RAS in the department of mathematics. The works of Anatoly, now Anatoly Timofeevich, are translated into many languages, published in dozens of countries.




It would seem the honest path of a talented scientist. However, Anatoly Timofeevich Fomenko is now known to us not as a gifted mathematician, but as the actual founder and main engine of the pseudoscientific historical movement, called the “New Chronology”.

Honestly, when I first encountered the consequences of popularizing the “New Chronology” among the broad masses of the reading population, in the person of some of my acquaintances, in general, people are not stupid, and, as a rule, alien storieswhich for some reason unknown to me was carried away by this movement (it was the year in 2005), I did not experience anything but confusion and light merriment. How is it: to take and so easily delete ten centuries of world history? Stupid, funny and nothing more. The historical knowledge base I had at that time was enough for me to mark New Chronology for myself as utter nonsense and treat it as a fun harmless play, meant to amuse a certain category of the population. Something like the story in the presentation of "Satyricon" or the works of Mikhail Zadornov, who always seemed to me quite a capable humorist.

Time passed, I more and more often noticed books on “New chronology” on the shelves of bookstores, sometimes I even took them in my hands, looked at the table of contents and ... put them in place, looking around: suddenly someone saw that I was holding IT in my hands, I was ashamed. After a while, I stopped approaching these shelves, already in advance, determining from a distance what exactly was on them. Okay, no one forced me to buy these books, there were no supporters of this very chronology among the closest entourage, so it didn't bother me that much.

The beginning to bother another. On TV, flipping through channels between sports and the news, I increasingly began to get on programs made on the model of documentaries, even a little sci-fi, but in terms of content they represented some kind of nonsense about Atlantis, about Hyperborea, about the “white gods” and the “Aryan trace” in the history of mankind. The facts, on which the creators of these films relied, were either known to me earlier and interpreted by the authors of the films to an extreme distortion, or were not known to me at all. Attempts to verify such facts in one hundred percent of cases revealed either gross falsification or conscious manipulation.

TV is mentally aggressive, it’s as easy to get away from as bookshelves, especially as it intrudes directly into your house. You can, of course, throw him out, but I considered such an act akin to surrender and from that moment I began to evaluate this household item not as an agent of enemy influence, but as my own intelligence officer, broadcasting information from my enemy's future plans to me about the regular plans of my eternal opponents - stupidity and ignorance. Life has become easier. The caustic comments that I supplied with some programs helped my family, and especially children, to better understand many things, in any case, he instilled in them critical thinking about the information that can be gathered from numerous sources, be it radio, television or The Internet.

Yes, on the Internet a separate conversation. The next attack came from there. “Youtube”, for example, was filled with pseudo-scientific content; there were much more of them than truly scientific ones, especially in history. It was from the Internet that I learned that there was no Mongol invasion of Russia, and we destroyed one-third of the population and almost all the cities, which, of course, we should be terribly proud that it was we, the Russians, who were the descendants of the Aryans, the ancient rulers. not Pangea itself, which, thanks to the worldwide conspiracy of historians, archeologists, geneticists, astronomers, and so forth, and so on, has been misrepresented beyond recognition with one goal - to bring down the Russian man, the only basis of order and progress on the planet, to the level of an unanswered dull woman votnogo to please ... there options: world Jewry, the Anglo-Saxons, Reptilians (a matter of taste). It was from the Internet that I was attacked by the information about the Great Tartary, the ancient state of the Rus of the “boreal world”, the great empire of our ancestors, who owned all the inhabited lands, except, perhaps, Australia. There must be a place on earth where the Russians did not reach, well, that’s why terrible and primitive savages lived there, nobody showed progress, did not teach civilization ...

And so, according to all the rules of dialectics, quantity began to turn into quality. What began with the works of Anatoly Timofeevich Fomenko (although, of course, not from him, but much earlier, but for me personally, from him) and Mikhail Zadornov, continues now, steadily strengthening his already considerable pressure, but for me these are no longer isolated and unrelated facts.

Perhaps we are witnessing (and victims) a carefully planned set of measures to disorient and disunite the peoples of our multinational country, the ultimate goal of which is to destabilize the domestic political situation in the Russian Federation, up to its complete disintegration into numerous and weak national-territorial entities.

Attempts to pursue a policy of narrow nationalism are gradually being carried out now in many subjects of the Russian Federation, somewhere more, somewhere less aggressively, the state tries to stop them, but very gently, so as to avoid open confrontation on national soil. While it is possible. Attempts by national suburbs to “identify themselves” and their stopping by the central authorities is a normal working process in any multinational state, there is nothing terrible or unusual in this. But imagine what will happen if a titular nation tries to “self-identify” in a multinational state. With regard to the Russian Federation, the question will be: what will happen if the Russian people, the Russian people are affected by the bacillus of narrow-minded nationalism? I am afraid, because on such a fertile soil, parochial nationalism will immediately blossom in magnificent color, become unstoppable and there will be a lot of blood, grief, tears and ... there will be no Russia. Rather, it will be, but at best, within the borders of the state of Ivan III.

And all the more it becomes scary when you see that all these pseudo-historical theories (Fomenko's New Chronology, Klesov's DNA Genealogy, other various theories developed by the authors thinner, like the late Yuri Petukhov and his followers), they all end up to this most primitive narrow-minded nationalism, they say, we Russians are the most-most, and all the rest are either just a lubricant of history or the personification of world evil. Yes, precisely so, from whatever scientific or pseudo-scientific positions the authors of these concepts start, no matter how convincingly and “scientifically” they argue their thesis, which side they would try to circumvent what they contemptuously call “traditional history”, they inevitably they come to the point where the young Adolf Schicklgruber began at one time: to the thesis of the absolute superiority of one (in this case, however, Russian, not German) nation over all others. And if they do not come to this themselves, either by weakness of character or from a great mind, they try to stop halfway, then do not hesitate, there will be those who will bring their teaching to a logical conclusion and force them to sign at the end of what was said not by them.

As Schicklgruber’s political career ended, everyone knows, but I want to remind the authors of recent historical hypotheses that even more than seventy million people have disappeared with him to where they don’t return.

The simultaneous rapid development and popularization among the broad masses of the reading population of the ideas of Fomenko, Klesov and other, less authoritative authors is certainly not a coincidence. Whether it is due to objective reasons for the development of our society or triggered from the outside by our geopolitical "partners", it is difficult to say, I admit both that and the other, both together and separately. I am absolutely sure of one thing: the further development of these ideas will not lead us to anything good. I would like to believe that everything will calm down and resolve itself, but ... Ukraine does not give rest. Perhaps we will be quite capable of catching up on this slippery path, and even then the Crimea and the Donbas will not do - jerk so that it does not seem to anyone, even across the ocean.

Is it possible that the cleverest man, Anatoly Timofeevich Fomenko, does not understand what is led by him, of course, a witty and paradoxical, initially seemingly so harmless hypothesis? Does he really not see with whom he ended up in the same boat and where do they jointly lead this boat? In the eighth decade, money, probably, should not already have such significant value as in the fourth, fifth or sixth! Anatoly Timofeevich, maybe it's time to repent?
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  1. Cxnumx
    Cxnumx 28 March 2018 05: 58
    +23
    right now the adherents will run)))
    they will prove from the pictures that the Mongols are an invention because under the Muslim crescent the knights. Well, think that they mixed up actors this is a "trifle".
    others will argue that it is impossible to walk a few hundred kilometers with an army and a convoy in Russia. You’ll think that everywhere there is a description of Ivan 4’s campaigns in Kazan.
    then they will say that they did not go to Russia several hundred km from Saray, but rushed straight from China. you think that between the conquest of China and the campaign in Russia year time is inconsequential.
    Well, they want to believe mathematicians. mathematicians with no historical background are cool. historians with appropriate education suck. because the main thing is to write interesting, fresh, so that "wow!"
    Threat analysis of the word "hero" according to the methodology of another "historian" without a historical education Zadornov, transferring old Russian / Slavic words into the modern language:
    “God” - everything is simple here: divine, Lord, Creator, faith in God;
    "tyr" - "tyr", i.e. stealing, stealing, committing a crime;
    conclusion: the hero is:
    1. God-stealing / desecrating temples / looting temples
    2. Subverting God (atheist / non-believer), destroying faith.
    that’s what the “heroes” are according to Zadornov.
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 28 March 2018 07: 38
      +30
      Everything is fine. The scientific community is defending its * feed field-place *.
      This has always been the case, scientific debate has never subsided, and since it becomes possible for an opponent to the fire. There is no need to embarrass the minds and produce doubters. Those who doubted the plane of the earth and those who doubted the centricity of the Globe were dragged to bonfires, but how many scientific disputes ended in bonfires?
      Today they try to whitewash the executed Vavilov and seek him an excuse, up to ascribing to him the gene theory.
      Historians today tell us such amazing interpretations on the history of RUSSIA of the twentieth century that .....
      Why, they came up with a new science, the one that studies God, I don’t know, maybe academicians of theology have already appeared. So, belief in a particular phenomenon becomes the basis of science, and either a bonfire or, more closely, * modern trends * period in the zone will help to confirm or deny.
      The fact that Zadornov was laughing at the bottom of history is an absolutely healthy reaction to the nonsense that sometimes scientists like historical scholars carry like.
      1. Standard
        Standard 28 March 2018 10: 17
        +2
        Quote: Vasily50
        Why, they came up with a new science, the one that studies God, I don’t know, maybe academicians of theology have already appeared.

        Such a science exists a long time ago, at least 3 thousand years.
        I can’t vouch for the presence of “academics,” but without this science Church Tradition (of any religion) is impossible, which means religion.
        The main thing here is not to be confused with theology (in Russian they translate as theology).
        Theology is a good name.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 28 March 2018 11: 06
          +8
          Yes, but logic suggests that if everything on Earth was created by God, then everything that is called science is the cognitive process of His actions. And then the question arises of how deeply we are mired in self-deception and distortion of truths.
      2. GAF
        GAF 28 March 2018 12: 34
        +19
        Quote: Vasily50
        Everything is fine. The scientific community is defending its * feed field-place *.

        This is especially true for the public, the so-called historical "sciences", which have their continuation in politics, ideology, etc. The author of the opus galloped like a squirrel along the tops of trees, and gives his impressions as true knowledge of the forest. I looked at the bibliography on the Web. A lot of work. Fomenko as a mono-author in two works. Fluently “flipped through” one of them. Mathematical calculations associated with astronomical phenomena. They are periodic and therefore the phenomena observed now can be extrapolated to the past with high accuracy. In other works, co-authors, who apparently give a historical and literary interpretation. Not knowing anything about Fomenko, he himself asked questions related to the history of science. Let's open the encyclopedia and read: the size of the globe of the Earth was first calculated by Eratosthenes with decent accuracy, the foundations of the integral calculus were laid by Archimedes - both before the new era. We read further: further development of integral calculus is continued in the works of X, Y, and other authors, starting from the 16-17th centuries; Mother Earth, with reservations, was recognized as round during the time of Galileo; and such exotic darkness. The question begs: what did people do for 1500 years with hook? The answer to find about the "learned cat" may be in the unforgettable A.S. Pushkin: "... but we do not write history, but as fairy tales say ..."
        1. Pax tecum
          Pax tecum 28 March 2018 19: 04
          +12
          Interestingly, what does the author have to do with historical science? Not like a professional.

          No questions, periodization of the historical process is only for historians. Although it has differences depending on nationality.
          Yes, to be honest, even in Russia, two historical schools (Moscow and St. Petersburg) have no significant differences in views, not some events. But what is characteristic of the Russian historical school is universalism, on the basis of which periodization arose.
          ... all these pseudo-historical theories ..., Klesov’s “DNA genealogy”

          Sorry for the directness, but the author, you generally understand what auxiliary historical disciplines (at least before writing an article would study the curriculum of the history faculty)? DNA, geneology are NOT "pseudo-historical theories." Author! You minus for this.
          ... all of them ultimately come down to this most primitive narrow-minded nationalism, they say, we Russians are the very best, and everyone else is either just a grease of history, or an embodiment of world evil

          Author! Do you think you are writing ?!
          Those. the entire curriculum and the content of history textbooks, both of schools and universities, are not Russian History, where on 90% is the history of the Russian people as a state-forming ?! Are you out of your mind?
          ... thanks to the worldwide conspiracy of historians, archaeologists, geneticists, astronomers, and other, other, other, world history is perverted beyond recognition

          Does the author generally understand the definition of world history? Or a teaching methodology in the university of history, historical disciplines? But the phrase "historiography of history" will not surprise him?
          PS Started "for health", finished "for peace."
        2. de_monSher
          de_monSher 28 March 2018 20: 32
          +1
          Even a person, any ... left ... maybe 15 years old to be a child, ingenious for example ... 10 years to live a hectic life, then hibernate for 20 years - to go down, sleep, dumb ... and only then wake up , after 40 years, and again begin to live a normal life ... *))) Why do you refuse this behavior to all of humanity then? *))
      3. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 29 March 2018 08: 42
        +1
        No comments. but from the first person of the Russian state
        Putin about Great Tartaria

        Putin gave Shaimiev a map of Tartaria (broadcast on Mir channel)
    2. basmach
      basmach 28 March 2018 08: 39
      +26
      Dear, you first explain how the nomadic Mongol tribes, without arms craftsmen, poorly armed small numbers, were able to conquer China. For example, compare with the war of the steppes and Russia. All the raids without serious collisions. And the campaigns on them Monomakh, and how everything ended for the steppe at the same time, let's remember about the yellow campaign.
      And further. Stepnyakov, unlike the sedentary, had no grain and was deprived of eating pasture. I wonder how you can feed 2-3 tumens (only 2 were on Kalka) going compactly. And according to the annals of the tumens there were more
      1. naidas
        naidas 28 March 2018 11: 18
        +2
        Quote: basmach
        How the nomadic Mongol tribes were able to conquer China.

        Yes, even after the Mongols, the Manchu conquered China, before the Mongols the Syanbians (ancestors of the Mongols) Tabgach, and the Chinese defeated the Huns only thanks to the nomads (the same Huns and others).
      2. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 28 March 2018 16: 40
        +4
        Quote: basmach
        how to feed 2-3 tumens (only 2 were on Kalka) walking compactly. And according to the annals of tumens it was more

        Here, on this occasion, a whole battle has unfolded recently. There was a series of articles about the Mongol invasion of Russia. Here, just in discussions, the issue of foraging was discussed, regarding the season (for example, winter near Ryazan). Bottom line - everyone remained with their own, but broke copies ... fellow As for the technical equipment of the nomads, sometimes you don’t recognize it. Recently, I also had a chance to read about the advanced artillery of the Dzungars, which they acquired, thanks to the Swedish specialist, bought from Peter 1. Here it is ... wassat
    3. andj61
      andj61 28 March 2018 09: 16
      +17
      Quote: K0
      analysis of the word "hero" according to the methodology of another "historian" without the historical formation of Zadornov, transferring Old Russian / Slavic words to the modern language:
      “God” - everything is simple here: divine, Lord, Creator, faith in God;
      "tyr" - "tyr", i.e. stealing, stealing, committing a crime;
      conclusion: the hero is:
      1. God-stealing / desecrating temples / looting temples
      2. Subverting God (atheist / non-believer), destroying faith.
      that’s what the “heroes” are according to Zadornov.


      V. Dal The Explanatory Dictionary of the Living Great Russian Language
      To dab
      POLL where, chickens. hurry to go. || - What, the Mazurics steal, steal.



      Even without deep research, only according to Dahl, the word "tyr" has the meaning of "hurry to go." Hastily going to God is a hero on Dahl. Zadornov says what it meant to carry - and that’s entirely possible. So, according to Zadornov, a hero is a carrier of God. And Old Slavonic words in modern Russian without analysis of their meaning bring exactly you. hi
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 28 March 2018 12: 07
        +25
        I don’t know whether Fomenko is right or wrong, but as a logical person I can’t understand the official history of his people - there was nothing on our territory, suddenly in the 9th century Slavic tribes appeared (got down from trees and climbed out of holes), after which a relatively short time (in historical terms) conquered vast territories, created the largest country in terms of territory! At least, the history of our people until the 9th century intentionally or not intentionally eclipsed (lost), and even before the Romanov dynasty, is also somehow obscure. Vague doubts torment ........... about Egypt, the Roman Empire, etc. We know, but not about ourselves! The feeling that at first the representatives of the Christian religion worked (everything that was removed before baptism was removed), then the Romanovs (the period of the Rurikovich).
        1. Ermak
          Ermak 28 March 2018 14: 35
          +2
          Quote: neri73-r
          I don’t know whether Fomenko is right or wrong, but as a logical person I can’t understand the official history of his people - there was nothing on our territory, suddenly in the 9th century Slavic tribes appeared (got down from trees and climbed out of holes), after which a relatively short time (in historical terms) conquered vast territories, created the largest country in terms of territory! At least, the history of our people until the 9th century intentionally or not intentionally eclipsed (lost), and even before the Romanov dynasty, is also somehow obscure. Vague doubts torment ........... about Egypt, the Roman Empire, etc. We know, but not about ourselves! The feeling that at first the representatives of the Christian religion worked (everything that was removed before baptism was removed), then the Romanovs (the period of the Rurikovich).

          Not just like that, but there were already principalities, remember Oleg ...
        2. azkolt
          azkolt 28 March 2018 20: 13
          +4
          "Logical man," how funny you are! What does it mean there was nothing? There were no exact written sources. Greek and other sources speak of Ants, Slavs, Wends, have you heard of such? And before that they wrote about the Scythians. So no one got off the trees!
        3. Sirocco
          Sirocco 29 March 2018 16: 03
          +2
          Quote: neri73-r
          I don’t know whether Fomenko is right or wrong,

          Nobody remembered something of Lomonosov, but he was just fighting the Western writers of Russian history.
      2. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 28 March 2018 15: 12
        0
        Quote: andj61
        And Old Slavonic words in modern Russian without analysis of their meaning bring exactly you.
        V. Dal The Explanatory Dictionary of the Living Great Russian Language
        To dab
        POLL where, chickens. hurry to go. || - What, the Mazurics steal, steal.

        wonderful you tried to change everything by bringing what you like (in fact, like Zadoronov). about that, the mazuriks steal, steal. you forgot" )))
        other dictionaries:
        tyry - tyry nesov. transition colloquial. Steal, steal. Explanatory Dictionary of Ephraim
        to poke - To poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke, poke diving, diving, diving, diving, diving, diving ... Grammar dictionary of Zaliznyak
        tyr - orff. tyry, tyry, tyrit Spelling dictionary Lopatin
        to poke - to PROOF -ryu, -to draw; nsv. (St. steal). what. Acceleration Steal, steal. T. tomatoes, watermelons from the garden. Explanatory Dictionary of Kuznetsov
        tyry - T'YRIT, tyryr, tyryat, · disbelief. (to steal) someone something (· simple. · vulg.). Steal, steal. Explanatory Dictionary of Ushakov
        Источник: https://gufo.me/dict/dal/%D1%82%D1%8B%D1%80%D0%B8
        % D1% 82% D1% 8C
        prettier "according to Zadornov", of course, "carry", but most, including Dahl, about "stealing / stealing."
        so that even "according to Zadornov" turns into "secretly stealing God / from God"))
        Threat in general to replace the concept or add to the text of the "proof" of the word: probably, in my opinion, it seems to me, no doubt, etc. etc. very popular with "new historians" who do not deal with it professionally. and then, based on these substitutions and personal opinions, draw conclusions as if it were a fact. as an example: Britain’s accusation of Russia in the Salisbury incident. straight one to one)))
      3. Stanislas
        Stanislas 29 March 2018 00: 24
        +3
        Quote: andj61
        only for Dahl, the word "tyr" means "hurry to go." Hastily going to God is a hero on Dahl. Zadornov says what it meant to carry - and that’s entirely possible
        Why V.I. Dahl attributed this humor? Here Dahl indicates the Tatar origin of the word
        hero M. Tatar. the man is tall, full-bodied, hefty and prominent; extraordinary strong man; brave and successful, brave and happy warrior, hero
        And here are the Materials for the dictionary of the Old Russian language I.I. Sreznevsky And here is Fasmer
        Borrowings from other Turk. * baɣatur (whence the Hungarian. bátor is “bold”)
        Where are the God-bearers found?
        1. Operator
          Operator 29 March 2018 01: 39
          +1
          How did Dahl, Sreznevsky, and especially Fasmer know about the primary origin of the words "hero / bagatur / batyr" - did they possess astral knowledge, who borrowed this word from whom in the 4 century AD, when the Slavs first came into contact with Turkic-speaking people - the Huns?

          The only scientific (what the author of the article so cares about) can be the comparison of written documents of that period both from the Slavic and Turkic sides, but the trouble is that writing between these two peoples was not close at that time.

          Therefore, the opinion of Dahl and the words “heroes / bahatur / batyr” in the question of primary origin is an unscientific fortune-telling on coffee grounds, picking your nose, etc. etc.

          Do chenya, damn it.
          1. Stanislas
            Stanislas 29 March 2018 16: 27
            0
            Quote: Operator
            U chenye, damn it
            Uperators ...
    4. cormorant
      cormorant 28 March 2018 11: 10
      +28
      A typical article from a wrestler against the theory of "New Chronology" Fomenko. Only emotions, rejection of scientific research and following dogmas. And who gave you the right to call a long-term scientific work a "pseudoscientific historical course". As always, the author did not even bother to discover and read what he was trying to condemn. Another libel.
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher 28 March 2018 20: 48
        +7
        trying to blame. Another libel.


        = smiled = ... the author kind of clearly wrote “read and it was funny” (something like that) ... I also had the dubious pleasure of reading these ... hmm ... creations ... *)) not just funny, but before a lively picture was seen - Fomenko stands, pulls the cat out of the way, he screams with a good curse - "mayaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" what kind of historical events from the “distant past” and “not such a distant past” should be pulled together by causals and “tightly sewn to each other” ... *))))
      2. Bibabo
        Bibabo 29 March 2018 11: 56
        +5
        Yeah! What is the conclusion based on the fact that Titian depicted a Byzantine landscape in a crucifixion painting: "Jesus was crucified in Byzantium in the Middle Ages." Like, when Jesus was crucified, artists gathered around the cross to draw their masterpieces from life ... "This perfectly corresponds to our reconstruction, according to which Judea is Byzantium, later Osmania = Atamania, and then Turkey. And Israel is Russia- Horde"
      3. Sirocco
        Sirocco 29 March 2018 16: 10
        +2
        Quote: cormorant
        Only emotions, rejection of scientific research and following dogmas.

        It is enough to recall the theory of the origin of man, that is, from a monkey according to Darwin. Which failed miserably, but until recently, this theory was considered in the scientific community as GRANITE))))) Around lies and deception. And the latest events in the world prove this, lie is presented as truth, and vice versa. Then the winner will write the story as he wants, and no matter what the truth is.
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 29 March 2018 16: 28
          +4
          It is enough to recall the theory of the origin of man, that is, from a monkey according to Darwin


          Wuhu ... exactly that around, lies and deceit. Even in your attempts to cast a shadow on the fence. Darwin himself has said many times that he NEVER claimed that a person descended from a monkey. Time after time, all serious scholars insist - "no one claims that a person descended from a monkey. It is simple, POSSIBLE, in humans and higher primates - a common ancestor." Well, what about peas on the wall - surely, there is some thread "wise guy" who is very "witty" who will bring this argument as "proof" of his homegrown, idiotic theories about the "complete failure of everything and everything" ... *)))
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 29 March 2018 16: 47
            +1
            Quote: de_monSher
            Darwin himself has said many times that he NEVER claimed that a person descended from a monkey.

            I don’t know, I didn’t live in those days, maybe you know more than I did, maybe you lived then)))) Unlike your versions and assumptions, which you have the right to like me, I, and many who studied at school , and not only, Darwin's Theory of Evolution, was taught in educational institutions, in that form, a person from a monkey.
            Quote: de_monSher
            in humans and higher primates, a common ancestor. "

            Well, it’s easy to give, but it’s hard to believe. Why is primacy and not a pig, 98% of the genes coincide with a pig. But a pig cannot write and speak, just like a primate. The pig is closer to us than the primate))))) Proven. This also includes flies)))) Google do not be lazy, and do not hang up labels of an idiot to others. Hang this label on your neck.
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 29 March 2018 17: 27
              +3
              Well, it’s easy to give, but it’s hard to believe. Why is primacy and not a pig, with a pig we have 98%


              So what? And with the same gorilla - at 99.6 like, so what? *))) And with a white planaria (a worm seems to be flat) almost 80 ... *)) You know, there are bricks to nature - “magic” amino acids, of which we are all typed ... *))) agree that some ummmm ... mountains, rocks, for example, are also very similar, for example, to skyscrapers in structure ... *)) But nevertheless, these are two big differences ... *)
              1. Sirocco
                Sirocco 31 March 2018 07: 23
                0
                Sorry for the delay in answering, will I approach the problem who is from whom, on the other hand, who came first, chicken or egg? And then amino acids, bricks))))))
                1. de_monSher
                  de_monSher April 1 2018 10: 50
                  +1
                  the other hand, who came first, chicken or egg


                  Sorry for the even greater delay in the answer - let's consider your question in detail. If we consider the semantics of your question from the point of view of evolutionary genetics - then it is not worth a damn egg, since the egg appeared long before the chicken (as a species). If we consider it from the point of view of home-grown philosophizing, it’s also like two fingers on asphalt - an “egg” as an embryo of ideas, a desire for life, the possibility of one or another “knowledge” and comprehension of a cunning world, this is ANY life form on earth. So your question comes down to the banality “what is an egg or an egg” - two eggs ... and this can already be considered from sexist, gender-chauvinistic positions ... *)) is just right for a good inter-sexual booze, swara and beating ... *))) Like that... *))
    5. Zheleznostop
      Zheleznostop 28 March 2018 12: 06
      +2
      to carry on Zadornov carry, Athletes according to his version, carry God.
    6. oleggun
      oleggun 28 March 2018 12: 53
      0
      Adepts may come running, but ignoramuses with true noodles from true historians are already generating their thoughts ...
    7. Mihail29
      Mihail29 28 March 2018 13: 17
      +3
      Hey, you freak. According to Zadornov, the hero is
      “God” - everything is simple: divine, Lord, Creator.
      "tyr" - "tyr", i.e. save, increase, multiply.
      Accumulating God in oneself according to Zadornov is what a hero is.
      1. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 28 March 2018 15: 15
        +2
        Quote: Michael29
        "tyr" - "tyr", i.e. save, increase, multiply.

        is it in what dictionary did you find such an interpretation, crank?) personally had such a Zadornov? those that are and were not suitable?)
    8. tracer
      tracer 28 March 2018 14: 17
      +2
      You are misinterpreting it. "FOOT" is in Old Slavic "carry". The root of the word "tyr" ... so minus you "Mr. liar" ...
      1. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 28 March 2018 15: 22
        +1
        Quote: tracer
        You are misinterpreting it. "FOOT" is in Old Slavic "carry". The root of the word "tyr" ... so minus you "mister lie" ..

        Well, yes ... we will analyze this word in Old Slavic (don’t tell the source, where did you find “carry” in the meaning of “carry secretly”, otherwise, does Dahl and others have exactly the opposite?), but "Hurray" according to the modern, with reference to the Egyptian god "Ra", about which our ancestors learned in the 20th century probably when the peasants and workers began to be taught in schools. kings / boyars may have learned before, but only "cheers!" the peasants screamed in battle.
        I’m not lying, I’m for the same approach to the process, and not "here, but here" hi
      2. Opera
        Opera 28 March 2018 15: 55
        +20
        After reading this article I would like to ask the author - so Atlantis, Hyperborea, the aria, the work of Klesov, Fomenko, Zadorny and many other authors are all nonsense ?! And harmful nonsense, yes ?! Leading to Nazism?!?!?!?! And what then is generally Arkaim ?! Hologram?! It must be instilled or just not notice ?! The author writes about his apparently huge base of historical knowledge, which he already had enough in 2005 to laugh at poor Fomenko like in a circus! So how does Arkaim and Gardarik fit into this base ?! What historical concept do you think the academic nerdy shove this phenomenon that is not only possible to see, but also touch ?! And megalithic constructions ... And the author believes in God interestingly for me ?! Or is there also an academic scientific justification on this ?! And about Nazism there is no need to ooak, the author, Russia exists in this world and the Russian people exist in order to bury the Nazi creeps of various supermen! It is not peculiar to the Russian soul to rise above others. But it is also not typical for this soul to walk in a bear's skin and live in a hole where the "enlightened west" with the help of such authors and the so-called "unshakable historical academic science" has been trying hard and long to try to put Russians! Lomonosov beat his mug to similar representatives of academic science! And the fact that as soon as Russia becomes stronger, and the Russians begin to seriously return to their national roots and take an interest in their own history, we begin to hear lamentations and cry for Russian fascism and Nazism from all sides! This is nonsense! Vile besides! And academic science is a means of understanding the world around it, including its history! Once again, this is a means, not an unshakable value, Mr. Luga! And Fomenko, of course, is not the ultimate truth, and of course he can be mistaken, and he is mistaken in many ways sure! But the adherents of academic unshakable truths who do not see and do not want to see ANYTHING, which at least somehow question their scientific works and position, are much more mistaken and harmful in their stiffness. This is about money, comrade author!
        Afterword - you have to be generally more careful in your assessments. Well, at least know the subject of criticism! But how can one know him if the author of the article is ashamed not to read, but to take a book in his hands ?! This is generally a very dangerous tendency if a person starts cursing with a TV. Further bonfires from books and other demons may follow ... Take care of yourself.
        1. Luga
          28 March 2018 17: 14
          +8
          Quote: Oper
          so Atlantis, Hyperborea, arias, the work of Klesov, Fomenko, Zadorny and many other authors means all this nonsense ?!

          If you want to know my opinion, then yes.
          Quote: Oper
          And bad stuff, huh ?!

          Harmful.
          Quote: Oper
          Leading to Nazism?!?!?!?!

          In the end, yes. Proving to everyone our first priority in everything ... Well, look at Ukraine, it’s all visible: what started, how it developed ... Soon (hopefully) we will see how it will end.
          Quote: Oper
          And what is Arkaim then ?!

          One of the many settlements of the Bronze Age, and later. No worse and no better than the rest.
          Quote: Oper
          Does the author believe in God to me?

          Immodest question, but the answer is no. But I do not bother others.
          Quote: Oper
          Russia and exists in this world and the Russian people in order to bury the Nazi encroachments of various supermen!

          Do you believe in the mission of Russia? In other words, does a Russian superman exist to bury a non-Russian? This is already sad. These questions and tried to raise the article.
          Quote: Oper
          It is not typical of the Russian soul to rise above others.

          And should not be peculiar. But I have the impression that this is what they are imposing on us now. Russian fascism, to my great regret, exists. And it must be extinguished in the bud, where it only appears, even in the form of a ghost, because for Russia it is death. Little Germany fascism was able to unite, but how much blood was shed. Huge multinational Russia, he will burn like a wad of cotton
          .
          Quote: Oper
          And academic science is also a means of knowing the world around it, including its history!

          Gold words. I would say - a tool of knowledge. Subscribe. And the rules for using this tool or tool, as you like, were formed, formed and formulated for many centuries, only in order to minimize errors in cognition. The laws of logic were formed, at first formal, then dialectical, methods and methods of research in various fields, criteria for evaluating the results of these studies - will you order all of this to be abandoned?
          Quote: Oper
          But much more wrong and harmful in their rigidity adherents of academic unshakable truths

          I will not even argue. Now there is a rapid rethinking of history and at the official level, young talented scientists have appeared (years behind 40-50 smile ), which criticize seemingly unshakable historical theories and criticize successfully. But they do it within the framework of the theory of scientific knowledge, within the framework of scientific methodology, relying on the achievements of those who worked on relevant topics before them, developing and correcting their works and, introducing new documents into scientific circulation, seeking new artifacts and, thus, approaching the unattainable truth.
          Yes, not three hundred thousand people fought on the Kulikovo Field anymore, and Batu's entire army did not exceed seventy thousand, but there was even less of that in the march to Russia. Does this mean that so far we have been lied to? No, this means that history, like any science, develops, sometimes it conflicts with itself, changes and improves. Remember the theory of the spontaneous generation of life, according to which frogs themselves appear from the dirt. It was? It was. So biology is no longer science? And how many such discoveries in mathematics, physics, chemistry, which have changed these sciences beyond recognition? But ALL these discoveries were made in accordance with the rules of scientific knowledge, scientific methods. By the way, precisely because of the unscientific methods of pseudoscience, alchemy, astrology, palmistry, etc. were recognized. So, in my opinion, Fomenko and Klesov, if it is so clearer, are alchemists from history. The rest of the "creators" - just crooks themselves do not believe in their nonsense. Well, or clinical dementia.
          1. Opera
            Opera 29 March 2018 10: 41
            +5
            Mr. Luga
            You can answer for a long time. Give a lot of facts and historical examples. And if I were younger, I would have done so with ardor. But time goes on and with it I began to relate to many things more calmly. But not to everyone. Your parallels between the words mission and Nazism are completely beyond! Take my word for it - missions can be quite decent and not aggressive! Sorry, I’m sorry to give you examples ... After reading about Russians over people struggling with non-Russians, I thought at first that you had not carefully read what I wrote, but when I got to your words about Russian fascism, I did not have such blissful doubts! This is your position! Are you seriously talking about Russian fascism and cite Ukraine as an example at a time when old women and children are dying in the Donbas and our volunteers are going to defend them ?! Do you seriously draw such parallels when in Ukraine people are already persecuted on the basis of nationality and the Russian language, and Russia receives hundreds of thousands of refugees and makes it possible for millions of Ukrainians to earn and feed their families ?! You say this at a time when the Ukrainian fascists are introducing a food, energy, and water blockade of the Crimea, and humanitarian convoys from Russia are going to the Donbass endless chain?!?! Should I continue about the Baltic states ?! Can I still talk about Poland ?! About the collapse of the Union, I can and the expulsion of Russians from many "union" republics ... Do you want ?! If what you said is just stupid, it's half the trouble. The clever will understand ... The clever will understand that it is such a liberal bauble to make the Russian guilty and make excuses for no one knows what!
            Do you want to fight fascism - go to the Donbass!
            Well, now about the essence of your article in general and the simple and unremarkable, in your words, settlement of the Bronze Age Arkaim!)))))
            So, you certainly know how many, according to various estimates, are Arkaim ?! They say 4 800 ... They lie ?! And how many Josser pyramids in Saqqara ?! And how many ?! Do you know that Arkaim is only part of a truly whole country of cities ?! Sintashta, Kuysak, Andreevskoe ... What do these names say to you ?! Do you know that real apartment buildings were found in Arkaim ?! About the storm sewer I can still tell you. People inhabited it quite a Caucasian appearance (well, I’m so modest not to call them our ancestors and not annoy you). So what does academic historical science say ?! Where were our ancestors 4 years ago ?!
            By the way, excavations in this, in your words, ordinary town - settlements are being carried out now and are being attended by prominent scientists from many countries of the world! This is a discovery that forces scientists to reconsider for centuries !!! built system of views! And you, dear Luga, say - so ..., a common thing ...)))))
            But in general, you know, I’m just thinking - if you throw out nonsense about Nazism from it, it is quite possible to consider your article as an advertisement for the research of Fomenko and Nosovsky and even Klesov!))) A thinking person will read and think - eh, how a person is outraged !!! Must see!
            And I really want to end with the words of William of our Shakespeare put into his mouth by Hamlet - "There are many friends of Horatio in the world, which our sages did not dream of!"
            Can you imagine? And the sages did not dream ... And the academicians even ...)))
            1. Luga
              29 March 2018 13: 31
              +1
              Mr. Opera.
              I'll start with Arkaim. A small fortified settlement, with a diameter of 170 m, as you correctly noted, is not the only one of its kind, in the region and not the oldest known. There are dozens of such settlements in different regions of Europe. Why for their religious purposes modern “historians” chose Arkaim personally for me personally is not clear. Maybe because it was preserved better than the rest, so this is a matter of chance. People lived, Caucasians, used bronze tools, plowed the ground, then died or left - that's all. Were they our ancestors or not - is unknown. But even if they were, even if they were, so what? Storm sewers, multi-storey houses - nothing special. Look at the materials on Aladzha-Hyuku, it will be more abruptly than any Arkaim.
              Now about the fascists.
              List your neo-fascist organizations in Russia, starting with the National Bolsheviks? Remind how ten years ago, skinheads in berets were running around the cities and villages? Lost in Moscow as in 2014, fans of Spartak Moscow went to the stadiums with swastikas and made a roll call "Glory to Ukraine - Glory to the Heroes" at a hockey match? This is just what was on the surface and the media has passed. Over the past couple of years, they have become somewhat subdued, but this is not the result of an ideological victory, but the work of law enforcement agencies.
              Half of the Ukrainian fascists speak Russian better than Ukrainian. At birth, they were the same Russian as you and I. Look what happened to them and explain to me why if, for example, one brother in Ukraine knocked out a swaston on his chest, the other in Russia should at the genetic level reject it.
              I am not against nationalism as such, if by this term we mean respect for one's language, traditions, customs, culture, art, the desire to save it all and keep it for posterity. In this sense, I myself am a nationalist. But nationalism, the main postulate of which is the privileged position of one nation over the rest, such as our services to history is greater than yours, we have, they say, the mission, we are meant for the great fight against evil (we define it ourselves as evil), evil to fight whatever nation it comes from.
              And our modern “historians” whisper in our ear - we are the coolest, we are invincible warriors, unsurpassed state builders, all the achievements of progress are ours, we are a nation of gentlemen, descendants of the “white gods”, Scythian-Rus-Aryans, ugh, damn, evil is not enough. fool
              Quote: Oper
              Do you want to fight fascism - go to the Donbass!

              I did not expect this from you. Straight Lyashko breathed: "In the Donbass! In the Donbass!"
            2. 72jora72
              72jora72 April 1 2018 06: 38
              0
              Do you want to fight fascism - go to the Donbass!
              And why, it would be better to sprinkle such articles here, it's easier, and safer.
          2. de_monSher
            de_monSher 29 March 2018 11: 45
            +4
            Russian fascism, unfortunately, exists. And it must be extinguished in the bud,


            Good day. It is in this quote that you confuse the cause with the investigation a little. I personally, I can’t say anything about Russian (Ukrainian, Uzbek, Swedish, etc. etc.) fascism. Here it is better to look in GENERAL, on a global scale. All over the world, by and large, in fact, the regime of "corporate fascism" has been established. And the consequence of this, is what is happening all over the world - the formation of nationalist and chauvinistic values ​​of certain nations. And Russians in this context are no exception, nothing more.
        2. de_monSher
          de_monSher 28 March 2018 20: 53
          +1
          And what then is generally Arkaim ?! Hologram?!


          The answer is short - nonsense and nonsense ... *))) Do you have any objections? Maybe - some kind of evidence, strictly fromalized and documented and not of the type of "from one grandmother (grandfather) heard"? *)))
          1. Filxnumx
            Filxnumx 29 March 2018 21: 38
            0
            like "from one grandmother (grandfather) heard"?
            You will, but such is the basis of the prevailing "historical" theory. All the “historians,” starting from Scaliger and Dionysius the Small, have been engaged in and continue to engage in the delaying of the impoverished cat (not sorry for their own) and the creation of their theories on this basis. All modern history rests on such “authorities”, if one may say so, who wrote down mountains of pseudoscientific husk at one time for one purpose only: to prove supremacy, seniority by the right of the more ancient “progressive” Western civilization, its culture, morality and to impose an opinion on complete failure , inferiority, savagery and distrust of Russian civilization, its moral principles,
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 30 March 2018 13: 52
              +1
              inferiority, savagery and distrust of Russian civilization, its moral principles,


              You see - when in response to someone else's ignorance, you expose yours - this can only cause a wry grin. Ancient Sumer, Babylon, Egypt, Cretan civilization - do you relate to the West, or to the East? Are you ready to accept that the Scythians, Sarmatians, Saki, Cimmerians are YOUR ancestors? Or were they not? There were ancient "Rus" who hunted dinosaurs, and stubbornly prevented the ancient "ukras" from digging the Black Sea and did not succeed in this (the notorious Ukrainian stubbornness, like - took up)? *)))
            2. de_monSher
              de_monSher 30 March 2018 14: 23
              +3
              All the “historians,” starting from Scaliger and Dionysius the Small, have been engaged in and continue to pursue the delaying of the causes of the poor cat (sorry not for their own) and creating their theories on this basis.


              Golden words, dear Igor. Yes, the way it is with ONE but. There is, so to speak, the mainstream of science. She (modern science - EXACTLY MODERN, not the time of Dionysius and Scaliger), 300-400 years, since the adoption of the Scientific Method of cognition. The basis of the Scientific Method is a solid evidence base. That is, simplistically - "blabbed something, kindly PROVE, or go through the woods - balabol." Sorry, but I am a supporter of the Scientific Method of cognition. Questions of Faith and Religion (and the speculations of the same Fomenko - this is an attempt to introduce religious methods into science and appeal to Vera of their adherents) is not for me. To me in general - the violet religion, somehow ... any ... *))
    9. doka
      doka 28 March 2018 17: 46
      0
      I don’t know how zealous the kingdom is to him heaven, There is an expression to smash you to beat, the meaning of many words is lost, Regarding history there are a lot of dark spots, there are usually no written sources but there are at least a dime a dozen of them at all times, Historical sources of manuscript cannot be trusted fully , They were written by people, but it’s common for a person to add from himself who will understand in a couple of hundred years, What I believe for sure that people are not related to monkeys,
    10. azkolt
      azkolt 28 March 2018 20: 16
      +1
      You were right, you ran! Everything according to Goebbels, the more monstrous a lie, the easier it is to not believe. And after all the fool understands that all this is directed against our country, you are right again!
    11. Slavs
      Slavs 28 March 2018 22: 53
      0
      The word has many meanings, not only steal ...))) But how did you smash Zadornov to the nines ... Respect. Or how is it customary for you? )) You, like the author of the article, have not read a single book by Fomenko? )))
    12. Setrac
      Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 00
      +5
      Quote: K0
      there is a description of Ivan 4’s campaigns in Kazan

      Descriptions - they are so ... descriptive, history, in principle, is not science, but an instrument of propaganda and, in principle, the whole history of ALL countries and peoples is a lie, a fiction. Look how Ukraine writes history to itself !!! All other countries wrote the story to themselves in the same way.
      1. Cxnumx
        Cxnumx 29 March 2018 03: 26
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Descriptions - they are so ... descriptive, history, in principle, is not science, but an instrument of propaganda and, in principle, the whole history of ALL countries and peoples is a lie, a fiction.

        it was not Kazan itself that became part of Russia; it came running shouting: "take me!" and Ivan is like this: "come on. a lot, not a little."
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 29 March 2018 20: 40
          +2
          Quote: K0
          it was not Kazan itself that became part of Russia; it came running shouting: "take me!" and Ivan is like this: "come on. a lot, not a little."

          And she did not leave the structure of Russia, to enter later. One of the lies of historians is the unification of states, in fact, the reverse process is underway - states are fragmented. Once there was a single state and since then the number of states in the world has only increased.
          1. Cxnumx
            Cxnumx 30 March 2018 03: 25
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            And she did not leave the structure of Russia, to enter later. One of the lies of historians is the unification of states, in fact, the reverse process is underway - states are fragmented. Once there was a single state and since then the number of states in the world has only increased.

            in what year Kazan became part of Russia and how did this happen (since in your opinion it was not Ivan 4 who conquered it)?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 30 March 2018 21: 53
              +1
              Quote: K0
              in what year Kazan became part of Russia and how did this happen (since in your opinion it was not Ivan 4 who conquered it)?

              In no way, as I wrote earlier, Kazan has always been a part of the Russian state.
              Quote: Setrac
              One of the lies of historians is the unification of states, in fact, the reverse process is underway - states are fragmented. Once there was a single state and since then the number of states in the world has only increased.

              What do you not understand that? It seems to have written in Russian ....
              1. Cxnumx
                Cxnumx 31 March 2018 04: 35
                +1
                Quote: Setrac

                In no, as I wrote earlier, Kazan has always been a part of the Russian state

                Yes, I also wrote in Russian, but chew. in what century did the Russian state form in you, including Kazan, which tribes lived in Kazan?
                Why did Vasily 3 and Ivan 4 go on military campaigns in Kazan?
                Quote: Setrac
                One of the lies of historians is the unification of states, in fact, the reverse process is underway - states are fragmented. Once there was a single state and since then the number of states in the world has only increased

                those. now huge states have been crumbling since the 17th century?)) what small have become Russia, USA, Canada, Mexico, India, China)))
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 31 March 2018 11: 32
                  +2
                  Quote: K0
                  in what century did the Russian state form in Kazan, including Kazan

                  Apparently this we will never know.
                  Quote: K0
                  What tribes lived in Kazan?

                  Russian tribes.
                  Quote: K0
                  Why did Vasily 3 and Ivan 4 go on military campaigns in Kazan?

                  Why did Putin go on a campaign in Chechnya, Donbass, Ossetia? There can be many reasons.
                  Quote: K0
                  those. now huge states are crumbling since the 17th century?)) what small Russia have become

                  Over the twentieth century, territories were separated from Russia, in which 17 states were formed.
                  Quote: K0
                  USA, Canada, Mexico

                  These are new states controlled by those who seek to fragment hostile states.
                  Quote: K0
                  China

                  Mono-ethnic states are more difficult to split, however, Korea, Taiwan.
                  Quote: K0
                  India

                  Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bhutan, etc., etc.
                  1. Cxnumx
                    Cxnumx 31 March 2018 14: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac

                    Apparently we will never know

                    Quote: Setrac
                    Why did Putin go on a campaign in Chechnya, Donbass, Ossetia? There can be many reasons.

                    From your entire post it follows:
                    your sources are not aware of the educational processes (who and when) and are not aware of why, but because otherwise the official story is correct - it is better to believe the new historians in which no explanation is given, but it is interesting to read them, like novels.
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Over the twentieth century, territories were separated from Russia, in which 17 states were formed.

                    something I don’t understand from what century do you split begins ... from ancient Rome? from the middle ages? with recent history from the 20th century? in each of this time period there are examples of the unification of states.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 31 March 2018 16: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: K0
                      From your entire post it follows:
                      your sources are not aware of the educational processes (who and when) and are not aware of why,

                      This conclusion does not follow at all. From my post it follows that each time the reasons were different, not related to the fragmentation or unification of the state.
                      Quote: K0
                      because otherwise the official story is correct - it is better to believe the new historians in which no explanation is given, but it is interesting to read them, like novels.

                      This is your own decision - to believe the new historians, don’t drag me in here, for me it’s like new, that the old historians will not tell the truth and will only voice the order of the authorities.
                      Quote: K0
                      something I don’t understand from what century do you split begins ... from ancient Rome? from the middle ages? with recent history from the 20th century?

                      From the moment of the so-called "Babylonian pandemonium".
                      Quote: K0
                      in each of this time period there are examples of the unification of states.

                      There is no doubt that there are positive examples of the unification of states (I think the fragmentation of countries is a negative phenomenon), but in general the states are divided, over the twentieth century a hundred new states appeared, and not only dwarf ones.
                      1. Cxnumx
                        Cxnumx 31 March 2018 16: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac

                        From the moment of the so-called "Babylonian pandemonium".

                        there is a phraseological unit The Babel Babel is a huge group of citizens who gathered in one place and are engaged in some noisy, stormy activitybut what time you are talking about is not clear to me. name the date.
                        Quote: Setrac
                        There is no doubt that there are positive examples of the unification of states (I think the fragmentation of countries is a negative phenomenon), but in general the states are divided, over the twentieth century a hundred new states appeared, and not only dwarf ones.

                        you removed from this list the territories of central and southern Africa, South America, the Pacific island states, where states basically appeared either recently (and before that there was just a huge number of tribes), or literally a couple of centuries ago? Yes, even in North America there were no "states", there were tribes, and you are talking about some kind of fragmentation. on the contrary, they are much more consolidated now.
                        Quote: Setrac
                        This is your own decision - to believe the new historians, do not drag me here. for me it’s all the same what’s new, what historians are old - they won’t tell the truth and only voice the order of the authorities.

                        was sarcasm not understood?
                        and I don’t understand why you get into a dispute over history if:
                        Quote: Setrac
                        what is new, what is old is historians - they will not tell the truth and only voice the order of the authorities.

                        for you, history is, in fact, what you saw, "felt" or you like. then such topics are not for you - everything that they show you will be called fakes, because of those living with their own eyes no one has seen this.
  2. zyzx
    zyzx 28 March 2018 05: 59
    +30
    I am not a supporter of the Fomenkovshchina, but looking at how we are rewriting history, and not just a story, but one that I myself witnessed, I can say that ALL history is lies. It’s just ridiculous to think that it was not rewritten in the Middle Ages and before.
    1. aleks_29296
      aleks_29296 28 March 2018 08: 15
      +4
      Winners usually write history. We were the winners, we had one story, they won now they insist on our ears that before the story was not right. As a rule, a story is written for a specific time and a specific political regime. And here transformations begin: heroes become villains and vice versa.
    2. gridasov
      gridasov 28 March 2018 11: 11
      +16
      Fomenko is already brilliant in that it makes people look at common dogma from a different perspective. After all, no one will dispute the fact that any task always has several solutions. Then why is it denied not only law, but the possibility of a logical justification for a new vision. In vain do people think that the human brain is unlimited in its fantasies. We can only what we are capable of. !!!
    3. azkolt
      azkolt 28 March 2018 20: 19
      0
      And what was it rewritten in? You may not like the interpretation of certain events, but they are all recorded by history! And I’ll tell you a terrible secret, sometimes these or other events are clearer from afar
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 05
        +6
        Quote: azkolt
        And what was it rewritten in?

        In everything!
        Quote: azkolt
        Maybe the interpretation of certain events you do not like

        Rewrite recent events, old and ancient events invent from scratch.
        Quote: azkolt
        And I’ll tell you a terrible secret, sometimes these or other events are clearer from afar

        This is cool, for everyone it is clear that some chronicler knew about the events of five hundred years ago better than eyewitnesses ... aren't you funny yourself?
  3. hbvkzyby
    hbvkzyby 28 March 2018 06: 19
    +38
    Judging by the text, the author did not read the books he criticized. There is a lot of nonsense, but the facts, "traditional historical science" not explained, are also enough. Arias and Hyperboreans - yes, it is not clear what was there. But the "Mongolian" invasion has occurred relatively recently. You can drive to Kazan or Bakhchisarai and look at the descendants of the "Mongols", trying to find among them people with the corresponding eye shape. The only place where such people live in the European part of the Russian Federation is Kalmykia. Only Kalmyks at the beginning of the 17th century reached the Volga. Where is nationalism in these books? What is it all about the Russians? Rurikovich really really among themselves basically dogged. And the Tatar troops mainly went to Russia with punitive campaigns at their invitation. Even then it became clear that without a strong central authority this country would fall apart. After a long struggle, the capital moved from Saray to Moscow. Management methods have not changed.
    It’s not bad that people write on historical topics. So they care, they read, search, collect and generalize. It’s bad when their work is refuted not by facts, but by cries of “everything is lost”
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith 28 March 2018 06: 38
      +26
      Quote: hbvkzyby
      It’s bad when their work is refuted not by facts, but by cries of “everything is lost”

      The author would have taken with the facts in his hands dispelled all the misconceptions of Fomenko and Nosovsky, and shoved with a drill against the supercomputer, as it seems even not funny. wink
      They devoted a lot of time to the development of a mathematical model that can embrace all kinds of evidence, and you can argue with them only with real facts, or eyewitness accounts. laughing
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 28 March 2018 08: 21
        +7
        There are a couple of convincing analyzes of the historian and philologist. No stone is left from this theory.

        For me, the popularization of such hypotheses is the transformation of us into "Ivanov, who do not remember kinship."
        1. Cxnumx
          Cxnumx 28 March 2018 08: 33
          +7
          Quote: Korsar4
          There are a couple of convincing analyzes of the historian and philologist. No stone is left from this theory.

          it's useless, there are quite a lot of rebuttals of these pseudo-historians, but they do not like adherents, therefore - will not work)))
        2. zyzx
          zyzx 28 March 2018 12: 37
          +5
          Quote: Korsar4
          There are a couple of convincing analyzes of the historian and philologist. No stone is left from this theory.

          There is a respected historian Pyzhikov, he wrote a book about the Nobels. They dismantled this book with another excellent historian Yakovlev. After some time, two other historians, Yulin and Zhukov, completely released to themselves, release videos where they completely expose this book. ALL 4RO OFFICIAL HISTORY! But all 4ro can’t be right, 2e definitely lie. And this is an assessment of the events of only 150 years ago.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 08
        +1
        Quote: Locksmith
        The author would have taken yes with facts in his hands dispelled all the errors of Fomenko and Nosovsky

        Firstly, it is not necessary to equal Fomenko and Nosovsky.
        Secondly, Fomenko uses in his theories what he ultimately refutes, a sort of Munchausen from history.
        1. philosopher
          philosopher 28 March 2018 23: 19
          +2
          A living process is not an easy task - unraveling what has been confused for centuries. Does it seem strange to you that a person finds and admits his own mistakes?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 30
            +2
            Quote: philosopher
            A living process is not an easy task - unraveling what has been confused for centuries.

            You start from the wrong assumptions, thinking that the story was confused. In fact, no one confused her, she was originally written the one that is needed, and not the one that was. To search for grains of truth in history is meaningless.
    2. avt
      avt 28 March 2018 08: 13
      +26
      Quote: hbvkzyby
      Judging by the text, the author did not read the books he criticized.

      And why should he ?? Still suggest mathematical calculations ,, Amalgesta "comment ?? bully Fomenko is really interesting when he baffles history scholars with a concrete mathematical analysis of their chronology with reference, or rather, with reference to astronomy. What HAS BEEN IN the aforementioned ,, Amalgest "and the FIRST edition," Russia and Rome ". Then, if you carefully look at the style and sloppiness in the argumentation of subsequent “works.” One can immediately see that the adherents came running and began to cut grandmothers in print runs under the facsimile of Nosovsky and Fomenko. This is exactly the same when you take the LIFETIME edition of Gumilyov’s books and circulations published after his death by his "comrades-in-arms", who suddenly found new, unpublished thoughts of Leo. And the article .... well, in the spirit of the political leader who is fighting for ideas and the purity of the works of Marxism-Leninism, of which he only read at best, , Manifesto. “ZERO of argumentation in comparative analysis, continuous slogans are horror stories. There is nothing to discuss in the article, from the word in general. But sectarians,“ Fomenko-nosovists ”can cut themselves with sectarians,“ antifomenko-nosovtsy. ”The author of the article is a bright representative of the latter. .
    3. victor50
      victor50 28 March 2018 08: 39
      +8
      But Fomenko and his partner cite facts (who, when, where, what night before Christmas?), Acting with the same intent and without any hesitation, all over the world amicably forged ancient manuscripts, fitting them to Scaliger’s chronology? Apart from our "insignificant" (obviously, you think so) domestic evidence and legends and written West European and Chinese sources about the Mongol-Tatar invasion. They also made for the sake of our vanity? Maybe you should find them and read them? The same goes for the rest of the questions.
      Why do not refute the evidence that Fomenko leads? I don’t know, perhaps serious scientists consider this to be below their dignity, which may be incorrect in the current situation. But something is nevertheless refuted and literally line by line, read, I can’t give the title of the book now, but if interested, you can search and find.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 28 March 2018 10: 42
        +10
        A person who considers Chinese "ancient" books to be a reliable source of data should ... must learn at least something, or something! If only I knew what such "ancient" books are only in China. Western European customers of the legend of the yoke wrote something about him. What a surprise! And all these legends about the centuries-old "yoke" ... pubs ... amuse our vanity.
        I have been talking with historians for how many years and I never get tired of being amazed at the complete, total, some cosmic lack of logic and considerations in their “thinking”. Some miracles are just ...
        1. victor50
          victor50 April 13 2018 10: 55
          0
          Obviously, you need to believe only what you write ?! Well, still Fomenko !? The argument is cool - how many years I have been talking with historians ... Your authority (historical) has jumped incredibly in my eyes! wink With which? Everything with you is clear: not a single argument, but everything that doesn’t work for your version, lies or didn’t, why bother with evidence.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 13 2018 19: 09
            0
            Quote: victor50
            Obviously, you need to believe only what you write ?!

            With Faith - this is for you in religion, not in science, in science you need evidence, but historians do not.
      2. aquatic
        aquatic 28 March 2018 17: 49
        +3
        Quote: victor50
        Apart from our "insignificant" (obviously, you think so) domestic evidence and legends and written West European and Chinese sources about the Mongol-Tatar invasion.

        and not only ... a huge number of eastern sources preserved to this day, even
        Wikipedia overlooks the original letter of Tamerlane to Charles VI, and this original is surprisingly not in Slavic), for example, Tamerlane’s correspondence with Tokhtamysh is easy to find, but we won’t force those who don’t want to look) let Christ be considered one person with Hercules and Theseus because it’s like that fomenki)

        I'm not talking about real objects in huge numbers still in the process of archaeological (and other) excavations.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 14
          +5
          Quote: aquatic
          and not only ... a huge number of eastern sources preserved to this day, even

          The trick is that you cannot verify the authenticity of these sources.
          1. aquatic
            aquatic 31 March 2018 16: 05
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            The trick is that you cannot verify the authenticity of these sources.

            Well, yes)) the world generally exists in our imagination) all the reliable things seem to us just)), it's funny.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 31 March 2018 16: 12
              +3
              Quote: aquatic
              it's funny.

              Need to cry ...
              Quote: aquatic
              Well, yes)) the world generally exists in our imagination) all the reliable things seem to us just))

              In the sciences, scientists use understandable techniques. In physics or chemistry, it is easy to understand how scientists achieved certain results. This is not the case in history, historians write their theories based on their own prejudices and misconceptions. And I’ll pay attention to how they rewrite the history of World War II, why are you so sure that historians were more honest and less biased before? Historians have always been political prostitutes who wrote what the authorities told them. They will say that it is necessary to write the history of Ukraine against the history of Russia - they will write, or rather have already written.
      3. Slavs
        Slavs 28 March 2018 23: 04
        +2
        Quote: victor50
        But Fomenko and his partner give facts (who, when, where, exactly, what night before Christmas?

        Yes, they lead)) We must read books, preferably with the first))
        1. victor50
          victor50 April 13 2018 11: 00
          0
          Read. And check ... these facts. And look, are they fraudulent ... Why is there such a conviction that your opponents did not read them? Because they do not agree with their conclusions and arguments ?! And in your style: did you read anything besides them? Gingerbread man, of course, does not count.
      4. Setrac
        Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 12
        +7
        Quote: victor50
        written Western European and Chinese sources.

        The most ancient Chinese written sources date back to the 17-18th century of our era, it seems that their writing is only three hundred years old.
        Europeans all that they do not like in Russia are called the “yoke”, was the yoke of tsarism, then the yoke of the Communists, often with personalities - the yoke of Ivan the Terrible, the Stalin yoke, now Putin’s yoke.
        1. victor50
          victor50 April 13 2018 11: 02
          0
          Have you studied it yourself ?! And did the examination ?! laughing Or all of Fomenko?
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 13 2018 19: 08
            0
            Quote: victor50
            Have you studied it yourself ?! And did the examination ?! Or all of Fomenko?

            That's just the point that I did not study, and nobody studied. Everything that the Chinese wrote about themselves is physically impossible to verify, so this is not true - because it is unprovable.
    4. Normal ok
      Normal ok 28 March 2018 10: 57
      +5
      Quote: hbvkzyby
      There is a lot of nonsense, but the facts, "traditional historical science" not explained, are also enough.

      The sorts of sectarians are very good (for example, Fomenko, a pure sectarian from science), because they very accurately notice problematic issues. But their own problem is that they give false (beneficial to themselves) answers to them.
      1. Slavs
        Slavs 28 March 2018 23: 06
        +5
        Yes, for sure, it is very convenient and beneficial for me to know that the history of my people is more interesting than, well, for example))) walking in the desert for 40 years ...))
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 15
        +1
        Quote: Normal ok
        The sorts of sectarians are very good (for example, Fomenko, a pure sectarian from science), because they very accurately notice problematic issues. But their own problem is that they give false (beneficial to themselves) answers to them.

        And I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the same Fomenko immediately writes a new version of the story, based on the data that he has just refuted.
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  4. sleeve
    sleeve 28 March 2018 06: 23
    +2
    Well, what can I say? Everyone is sick at the scale of the remoteness of the pharmacy from home. Thank God there is still a scientific system and all of this (any of the 20 words in the corresponding mood) will remain foam. Moreover, there is no huge demand for "rewriting" in a patriotic vein. We look normal in global history anyway.
  5. kvs207
    kvs207 28 March 2018 06: 47
    +20
    Mathematics, unlike history, is an exact science. If we drop the extremes, then in general, Fomenko is right.
    1. aquatic
      aquatic 28 March 2018 17: 54
      0
      Quote: kvs207
      Mathematics, unlike history, is an exact science. If we drop the extremes, then in general, Fomenko is right

      But what about intersecting parallel lines? This is the extreme that we discard?))))))))
  6. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 28 March 2018 06: 51
    +4
    I’m interested in what happened 500 years ago, but it’s less worrying than a survey about the separation of the Far East from Russia! So, twice as many respondents stand for separation! I wonder who launched this survey and what it faces! !
  7. avaks111
    avaks111 28 March 2018 06: 52
    +5
    The official story is a lie, a lie, a lie !!!
    From the last: found a boot age of 5000 (five thousand years) !!!
    Historians played out!
    1. inkass_98
      inkass_98 28 March 2018 07: 01
      +8
      The boot, I hope, was stigmatized by CAT or Martens? Leather, with metal rivets, polyurethane sole? Where did you find it? In connection with what were the searches?
      1. Luga
        28 March 2018 11: 22
        +4
        Quote: inkass_98
        The boot, I hope, was stamped with SAT or Martens?

        "Fast" laughing
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 28 March 2018 13: 03
          +5
          Michael did not expect! I bow! hi drinks short, capacious, essentially with irony and a subtle syllable. It is only a pity that it was laid out in this section .... Unfortunately, all sorts of pseudo-histories like those listed by you (I would add with pleasure Radzinsky and the rezun, capital letters from their surnames do not allow the remnants of conscience) make a great impression on some part of the people. For a beautiful fairy tale is perceived better than a boring science. What can we say about the "wobbling minds" among the masses? request
          thanks again! good With respect, Nicholai hi
          1. Luga
            28 March 2018 13: 43
            +5
            Quote: Mikado
            thanks again!

            Thank you, Nikolay.
            I am still waiting for comments on the substance of the article, and not on the content of the "New Chronology." Not yet. request
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 28 March 2018 13: 48
              +6
              do not wait. wink There will be dances with tambourines, slogans, mantras, and earning "marshal epaulets." fellow I went to the forum "opinions" just because of your article. soldier And not just me .... hi
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 28 March 2018 20: 13
                +4
                Perhaps you are right, I’m not sure that I have enough strength today to oppose Mikhail with regard to “Russofascism” (I do not agree).
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 28 March 2018 21: 48
                  +3
                  I, too, might argue in something, but this article was clearly waiting in the wings! good I will not argue with Michael. drinks
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 28 March 2018 20: 03
              +3
              I will join Nikolai. "We sing the song to the madness of the brave" Bravo, Michael!
          2. tracer
            tracer 28 March 2018 14: 40
            +3
            So cutters they live in affrices on trees. Their red ones are not "faces."
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 28 March 2018 19: 55
          +3
          Michael, we will be small-town patriots! The Red Triangle!
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 28 March 2018 20: 03
            +3
            with the Red Triangle, Anton, I only associate Hitler’s opinion. It was there that they shot The Bunker. Old-timers of the building say: in the morning it was ridiculous to go to work - the "fascists on motorcycles" along Shkapina and Rosenstein were cut. fellow
            The funniest, the entourage of a half-abandoned factory is still used to shoot films about the war. Himself watched the crowd in 2014. drinks
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 28 March 2018 20: 32
              +4
              I'm afraid Michael and I are a little older and remember the rubber shoes of this factory. Evil tongues claim that they even produced “item two”, fortunately I did not find this blessed time. Berlin on the 45th, yes, was filmed on Shkapina. By the way, have you never been in the area of ​​Blok Street? If you want to voluntarily die, I recommend you to visit, you know very much whether it helps ... good me, yes?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 28 March 2018 21: 47
                +4
                good me, huh?

                yeah, even too much ... belay no, you know, thanks .. stop drinks
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 29 March 2018 20: 46
                  +1
                  Well then, let's go shoot there. There is a wonderful place there, the Baltic Rifle Center. Not cheap, but a great selection of short-trunks.
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 28 March 2018 07: 43
      +4
      Quote: avaks111
      From the last: found a boot age of 5000 (five thousand years) !!!

      Have you seen it yourself? Or did they say it on TV?
    3. victor50
      victor50 28 March 2018 08: 41
      +4
      This is what "yellow" TV channel was shown?
  8. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 28 March 2018 06: 54
    +23
    Ah, it hurts my heart! laughing Fomenko and Nosovsky encroached on the sacred cow of many academics and ordinary historians - a story with its mass of such inconsistencies that they stupidly cannot explain and are silent. And when the people who just wanted to find answers to the questions started to ruin the historical klopovnik, they immediately begin to stigmatize them.
    Well, historians cannot explain why there is no direct evidence of the battle on the Kulikovo field (mass graves and the mass of the then iron and the simple hill from which Mamai looked at the battle), but the dog with them - some gentleman said that there was battle means so. ALL! I no longer need any "evidence" of the correctness of modern historians tongue
    And you read, with what reverence the “scholars from history” extol themselves and blame others, even if they are not right, but having the right to their own opinion, it becomes generally disgusting yes
    If you, historians, are so smart, then why don’t you think about which thread of the conference, you will not prove the same to Fomenko without different “we assume” and “we think that it was possible” that his mathematical model of the Chronology (by the way, it is quite accessible confirmed different methods) wrong? Instead, articles like today's one appear ...
    Too many cliches, comrade Luga, TOO MUCH STAMPS without evidence!
    So you are no better than today's historians hi
    Personally, I am inclined to believe that people themselves will choose, based on their knowledge and conclusions, what is true and what is false, without indicating to them from above. Isn't that the essence of democracy? wink Which historians love to bring on the example of the "ancient" Greece and Rome wassat
    PS Have you at least something yourself read them of the same Fomenko (only not superficially, but specifically), which would be compared with modern interpretations of the "yoke"?
    Maybe I'm wrong, but it’s precisely in terms of dating that they are much more conclusive than the “historical” version, and the fact that historians don’t want to look differently at past eras is the problem of historians request
    Personally, my opinion. the commentator does not in any way want to infringe anyone's rights, but merely expresses his point of view, which has the right to life
    PPP As I have already cited in the comments, how current historians "struggle" with the unknown using the example of their own city smile hi
    1. Shurale
      Shurale 28 March 2018 07: 22
      +18
      I personally still at school wondered why the crusaders went on a crusade a thousand years after the events in Jerusalem, and for some reason went to Constantinople. Fomenko found a completely logical answer to this question, in contrast to the author who finally can’t find anything yet. But he knows how to criticize, and even that is clumsy to be honest.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 28 March 2018 07: 52
        +8
        Quote: Shurale
        and for some reason we went to Constantinople.

        Well, it's simple (I remember this from school), they were paid for this by the huckster-makronniki (Venice) in order to remove competitors in Asia Minor ...
        1. novel66
          novel66 28 March 2018 08: 12
          +5
          Yes, they just got lost - there was no GPS
        2. alatanas
          alatanas 28 March 2018 11: 48
          +2
          It is not a question in Asia Minor. The Genoese were given access to trade in the Black Sea, but they were not given to the Venetians, and the knights to the Venetians were indebted for the ships, and so they went to Constantinople. Even the blind doge Enrico Dondolo was there.
          I don’t know what Fomenko invented there, but historically everything is clear and proven. There are still some things that were stolen from Constantinople in western Europe.
      2. Normal ok
        Normal ok 28 March 2018 11: 11
        +9
        Quote: Shurale
        I personally still at school wondered why the crusaders went on a crusade a thousand years after the events in Jerusalem, and for some reason went to Constantinople. Fomenko found a completely logical answer to this question, in contrast to the author who finally can’t find anything yet. But he knows how to criticize, and even that is clumsy to be honest.

        1) Read any sensible history textbook, such as the “History of the Christian Church” by Justo L. Gonzalez, and you will receive a comprehensive answer to your question. And many of the “inconsistencies” are explained precisely by the fact that the level of knowledge of history in most people is such (thanks to the school course) that their consciousness can be freely manipulated.
        2) Try to explain to a particular quartet that all his problems are from his own head. Will not work. But he will gladly accept the theory that his problems are from a worldwide, behind-the-scenes conspiracy against his nation.
        3) I personally, repeatedly participated in the excavations of the ancient Greek and Roman settlements of the Northern Black Sea region. And he saw the finds clearly confirming the presence of precisely the Greeks and Romans. And it’s impossible to convince me that this is a manipulation of historians. BUT, most of this has not seen. Therefore, it easily perceives all nonsense walking on the Internet and TV.
        1. V
          V 28 March 2018 17: 57
          +6
          Was a genetic analysis of the found remains performed?
          And it will turn out so that those people in the future who will find the AK-47, or parts thereof, around the world, will say that this is the land of Russian soldiers.
        2. philosopher
          philosopher 28 March 2018 23: 36
          +6
          And at the excavations, it was written right on each shard: who, where and when according to your calendar made, who bought, where he took it and to whom it resold?
          Vitaly Sundakov answers questions after such excavations. If the future civilizations will excavate ours, they will be sure that China was on almost all land, and Russia was in Africa.
          To refute Fomenko, referring to the books of the same false historians and especially priests, who, in turn, refutes Fomenko himself ... who do you hold for fools? You still refer to Wikipedia.
        3. zyzx
          zyzx 29 March 2018 06: 39
          +2
          Quote: Normal ok
          And he saw the finds clearly confirming the presence of precisely the Greeks and Romans.

          Is it written there, were the Greeks here? And that, for example, the same ceramics experts say that pottery cannot be in the earth for more than 400 years, it will crumble, historians don’t care much, they told the cup 3000 years, which means 3000.
          1. 135lm
            135lm 29 March 2018 07: 32
            +3
            What specialists and to whom are they told? I dug ceramics, Mesolithic, -8,5 thousand years. Not whole, shards. But not scattered. Probably mystified locals. Threw us))))
            1. zyzx
              zyzx 29 March 2018 07: 51
              +3
              Quote: 135lm
              What specialists and to whom are they told? I dug ceramics, Mesolithic, -8,5 thousand years

              Did this ceramics personally tell you how much it is?
              There are people who produce ceramics, they conduct tests for durability and durability, these are stupid and say where they are to historians who personally dug up shards with a birth certificate.
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 28 March 2018 08: 24
      +1
      There was an answer from antiquity: "Greek greyhounds are not a reader."

      But research is always closer to those where there are measurements.
      But it is difficult to approach history only with such arshin.
    3. Cananecat
      Cananecat 28 March 2018 10: 41
      +3
      To the question of burials. They used to burn people. It is natural to leave a pile of corpses, it is doomed to an epidemic, and the Slavs followed hygiene.
      How will a human bone behave after high-temperature treatment after 500 years?
      In India, for a moment, one of the oldest races on Earth, people are still being burned, but what has not burned is thrown into the Ganges .... maybe our historians are not looking there?
      Nothing personal, purely speculation ...
    4. V
      V 28 March 2018 11: 28
      +8
      why there is no direct evidence of a battle on the kulikovo field

      V.V. Putin expressed his opinion on the Battle of Kulikovo, having studied the archives, which he later officially announced as open and accessible in the Russian Geographical Society (Russian Geographical Society). From these archives it follows that the Battle of Kulikovo was a civil war, in which Russian regiments stood on both sides and in which the Tatar cavalry was the main striking force. Including, the Tatar-Mongol yoke is nothing more than an invention of the German "professors" who together drew history to us.
      But in view of the fact that the information war has not stopped and will not stop, such information will always be very difficult to break through the hysteria and lies of the Anglo-Saxons and local "patriots of the Motherland" supporting them.
      1. alatanas
        alatanas 28 March 2018 13: 19
        +2
        Maybe you didn’t have Tatars, but somehow they ended up at the Danube and even Nogai’s son - Chuck managed to sit for about a year (1299-1300) on the Bulgarian throne.
        1. V
          V 28 March 2018 13: 28
          +5
          A portrait would be to see him, the son of Nogai - Chuck, so as to dispel doubts.
          In Europe, in old buildings, mosaics have been preserved, not in a single copy, which depict invasions of supposedly Tatar-Mongol khans. There, for some reason, all the faces are Russian.
          1. aquatic
            aquatic 28 March 2018 18: 21
            +1
            Quote: Vortex
            There, for some reason, all the faces are Russian

            You will be surprised .. tribute to the horde was paid not only in money. In the campaigns of the khans to Lithuania, Byzantium, Poland and even to China, Russian regiments also took part in the Golden Horde. So the presence of Slavic faces there is not at all surprising. Those interested can read, for example, TSB, Gumilyov, Karamzin, the list can be continued if necessary.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 21
              +5
              Quote: aquatic
              Russian regiments took part in the Golden Horde

              So maybe the Horde was originally all Russian? Isn't it some kind of Mongolian? Indeed, in the language of the Khalkha there is not even such a word - a horde. For there are traces of the Russians, but no traces of the Mongols.
              1. 135lm
                135lm 29 March 2018 07: 35
                +1
                The Germans didn’t call themselves Germans. And they don’t have a word like that And the fascists. The Soviet propaganda is lying about the war with the Nazi invaders, so what?)))
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 29 March 2018 20: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: 135lm
                  The Germans didn’t call themselves Germans. And they don’t have a word like that And the fascists. The Soviet propaganda is lying about the war with the Nazi invaders, so what?)))

                  Find fault with the words? Do you really have nothing to say? Among the Nazi invaders at least there were Germans, among the Mongol-Tatar horde there were no Mongols at all, but there were Russians.
                  1. 135lm
                    135lm April 18 2018 07: 20
                    0
                    Yes, it was not))) Everything was fabricated. All)))
              2. aquatic
                aquatic 31 March 2018 16: 08
                0
                if you draw conclusions from this
                Quote: Setrac
                and there are no traces of the Mongol.

                then the Horde was full of the Horde, both written and material. You just do not want to see them)
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 31 March 2018 17: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: aquatic
                  the Horde was full of the Horde

                  Only it was not the Mongol-Tatar Horde.
                  Quote: aquatic
                  both written and material

                  In Russian and Russian labor.
          2. alatanas
            alatanas 29 March 2018 09: 54
            0
            His head was cut off and sent to his enemy - Toktay.
            If Toktay had made himself a “selfie” with the head of the enemy, they would have known whether they were both Mongoloid or not. lol laughing
  9. Shurale
    Shurale 28 March 2018 07: 16
    +10
    In an attempt to put together a bunch of objectionable, the author forgot Professor Atsyukovsky with his outrageous theory of ether, which was offered to him by the same villain as Professor Mendeleev.

    https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWb04dhs7Hlb
    RPiNtw2Xm47wTCgp9s6D-
  10. lis-ik
    lis-ik 28 March 2018 07: 30
    +1
    In my opinion, the author takes this problem too seriously, there are "special" channels like Ren TV and TV-3, no one forces them to watch. After all, there is fiction with an alternative story, and this should also be treated.
    1. Z_G_R
      Z_G_R 28 March 2018 13: 37
      +2
      I would say that such as Ren TV and TV 3 are more likely to discredit alternatives knowingly delusional programs. It may not be all programs, but in the general context it is discredited. And such as you look, and this is nonsense, I won’t even think about it, and miss the evidence that is in front of you)
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 28 March 2018 15: 45
        +2
        And who said that I’m watching? At my work this guard around the clock looks, and then finds free ears and retells, it’s boring for a person
        1. Z_G_R
          Z_G_R 28 March 2018 20: 43
          +1
          So it is intended that you say "boring to man." =) No fools are sitting on television.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 28 March 2018 20: 44
          +1
          About 20 years ago, work with one office. There the guards were called “seals”. To my question “why”, they replied: “Have you seen seals? He lies to himself, on the beach, claps his fins on his belly, guards the territory.” laughing
  11. Bastinda
    Bastinda 28 March 2018 07: 37
    +8


    Heretics! Believe and it will be given to you!
    1. Fox
      Fox 28 March 2018 08: 16
      +1
      Quote: Bastinda
      Heretics! Believe and it will be given to you!

      Well, actually there is an explanation for this ... it is figurative, for ease of understanding.
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 28 March 2018 08: 25
      +3
      Almost according to Pratchett. Nice picture.
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 28 March 2018 16: 35
        +2
        Almost according to Pratchett. Nice picture.

        Eeeh, I heard. but did not read. recourse it will be necessary, perhaps, to "Honor" to look somehow .... Hands do not reach! request You and Anton can give lectures on it, probably drinks
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 28 March 2018 20: 57
          +2
          "Flat World" is a suitable parody of much. And "golovologiya" approaches a lot on our site. Pratchett got me late. But there is no worse story than the topic of discussion.
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 28 March 2018 20: 57
          +3
          No, according to Pratchett, I can’t, except according to Asprin, “from anywhere, wake up at night” I can give a lecture on Russian-language science fiction over the past century.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 28 March 2018 21: 53
            +1
            For me, the short course is “The History of the Russian State from Gostomysl to Tomashev” by A. K. Tolstoy. The remaining gaps can be gradually filled.
    3. Topgun
      Topgun 28 March 2018 10: 50
      +4
      :)) to hell with the fact that mankind flies into space, launches probes to other planets (is it all fake according to the planes?) the same satellite TV that everyone has, jeepies in phones, hell with all this, but it’s interesting how the planes explain the spherical you can see other planets yourself and suddenly they are also spherical ...
      I look at it positively - they and their children will be praying to the sun and sweeping the streets (someone should), and normal people will study science and use the result of progress ...
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 28 March 2018 21: 55
        +2
        The most interesting thing is that you can sweep the streets with any knowledge of astronomy. And you can do it with great pleasure than the victims of progress.
    4. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 28 March 2018 20: 49
      +2
      Pancake! This is the Starship Mask!
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 28 March 2018 22: 49
        +4
        Pancake! This is the Starship Mask!

        and you said - "will not take off, will not take off ...." wink the main thing is to correctly fill the turtle with pea soup! drinks
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 29 March 2018 17: 32
          +1
          Quote: Mikado
          the main thing is to correctly fill the turtle with pea soup!

          Welcome hi
          I once read a story about how one of the guests stayed up late with a friend, and then, having pulled out his eyes in the corridor on the couch in the early morning, he saw a precisely identified turtle, which was walking along the corridor at the speed of a jogging cat. A friend decided that he had a post-alcohol syndrome! For several minutes, observing and tweaking themselves did not change anything - the turtle was clearly sprinting ... Only the upright sidekick, having first burst out, said that his little son added some wheels from a child’s car with scotch tape yesterday. Churupaha scrubs only with his claws on the floor, enjoys super-speed by the standards of turtles laughing
          PS Well, if you also ran a pea, it would be a Formula 1 car at all repeat
  12. victorrat
    victorrat 28 March 2018 07: 51
    +12
    Actually, enough for sweeping criticism, but the author clearly did not read a single volume of the work of two people, and not just Fomenko. Of course, this is just an interesting hypothesis. but the facts there are enough for reflection, especially about the Mongols, which is now also confirmed by geneticists., restoration of persons according to the method of Gerasimov. Excavations are under way, artifacts are found, history is changing. In the church dictionary in the word of the Mongols - Tatars, as well as MOGOLS - great military leaders.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 23
      +2
      Quote: victorrat
      and also MOGOLS - great military leaders.

      Just Great, not necessarily warlords. MTF - from the word power.
    2. zyzx
      zyzx 29 March 2018 06: 50
      +2
      Quote: victorrat
      but the facts are enough for reflection,

      Namely, it makes you think, and this is important.
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 28 March 2018 07: 58
    +7
    Perhaps we are witnessing (and victims) a carefully planned set of measures to disorient and disunite the peoples of our multinational country, the ultimate goal of which is to destabilize the domestic political situation in the Russian Federation, up to its complete disintegration into numerous and weak national-territorial entities.
    ... But it is ... Look at the neighbors ... in Ukraine ... what they did to people over 25 years ... who they turned into ... But not only them ...
    1. Z_G_R
      Z_G_R 28 March 2018 13: 40
      +1
      Now, if you got out of the TV and studied what the alternative experts say, you would not write such nonsense) Of course, you need to understand that there are real provocateurs. But, at the core of their alternatives, on the contrary, they say that the peoples were united earlier throughout Eurasia and America, and not strangers lived in Africa and Australia. And there is a lot of evidence for this if you rummage around.
  14. Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 28 March 2018 08: 16
    +6
    history is the science of assumptions, and the Lomonosov works in history are happily delivered by the Germans fellow a dispute has been going on since ancient times, so what is the problem if the dispute continues
  15. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 28 March 2018 08: 20
    +13
    I read for "expanding my horizons" all sorts of "wise men", both famous and well-known, and newly-minted .... and Fomenko too ... And I do not see a problem in this. On the contrary, I’m disgusted by all kinds of “joys” for restricting freedom of information who motivate their “prohibition” by concern for “purity of morals and thoughts,” “proper upbringing,” etc. Let us (the readers) ourselves figure out all this information without all sorts of "smart advisers." More information! More new, custom looks!
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 28 March 2018 08: 33
      +5
      To this only with the words of the apostle Paul: "Much is interesting, but not everything is useful. Many is useful, but not everything is edifying."
      1. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 28 March 2018 09: 13
        +5
        Who decides what is instructive?
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 28 March 2018 20: 59
          +3
          To those you trust. To parents. For teachers (not just school ones). Common sense.
          At each stage - his own.
          You know the answer for yourself.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 28 March 2018 21: 03
      +3
      Good position! Bravo!
  16. victor50
    victor50 28 March 2018 08: 44
    +3
    Quote: Rurikovich
    And you read, with what reverence the “scholars from history” extol themselves and blame others, even if they are not right, but having the right to their own opinion, it becomes generally disgusting

    Have you read Fomenko and Nosovsky? Do they not do the same? no belay
    1. Standard
      Standard 28 March 2018 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Shurale
      he knows how to criticize, and even then clumsily to be honest.

      Means, and does not know how to criticize ..... to be honest.
    2. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 28 March 2018 18: 48
      +4
      Quote: victor50
      And you read Fomenko and Nosovsky

      Read. Because it was interesting how their views differ from the generally accepted. Therefore, I have the right on my own to personally affirm what I wrote yes
      Quote: victor50
      Do they not do the same?

      Have you seen in them separate articles smashing like today's opponents ??? Me not.
      The authors of HH express their OPINION about history, based on a MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS of dates, which are also confirmed from various sources. Why do they deserve such an attitude ??? Is it because the inconsistent histories are NOT ABLE to rationally explain what they explain logically !!! That rages with fat laughing
      I agree, a number of statements of F and H can be protested, but with regard to a purely scientific approach to dating history (is mathematics a science, or can it already be fucked up ???), then historians with their academic views do not stand close!
      Purely for fun, type in the search engine "Pompeii is a lie for one and a half millennia" and just think with your brain if the death of Pompeii could happen when we are infiltrated by "infallible" historians wink hi
      1. victor50
        victor50 April 13 2018 11: 21
        0
        Saw. And you carefully read, and try to make YOUR BRAIN think. If it doesn’t work, try reading a criticism of their works, at least draw other people's thoughts. INTEGRATE and will inward if not thinking, and by the way, Fomenko is no different from the others, using the same tricks and proofs: we won’t mention what we won’t refute, we won’t just mention it, or we will replace the arguments with ANY INSIDE, OR YOU ARE SUCH. Mathematics is certainly a science when it comes to mathematics. But in relation to history, it is the same tool as others (analysis, description, etc.), therefore, mathematics can also be used for manipulations. But by the way, what is the point of proving something to you, instead of arguments you have ridicule, ridicule, arrogance know-it-all, no more. Practice further, cultivate ...
  17. NyeMoNik70
    NyeMoNik70 28 March 2018 08: 49
    +7
    Poor Fomenko, poor Nosovsky, poor new chronology. And by the way, there were still: the Swiss philologist and privat-docent of the University of Basel, Robert Baldauf, as well as the 1926 German critic of historical sources, Wilhelm Kammayer, completed his 292-page manuscript under the heading “Universal falsification of history”. + Jesuit scholar Jean Guardouin (http://www.aleksandrnovak.com/content/1838.html)
    And also we had an honorary academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences N. A. Morozov and his work “Revelation in a Thunderstorm and a Storm”. Most likely an article that someone did not systematically finish the school course to the end.
    1. Standard
      Standard 28 March 2018 10: 02
      +3
      Quote: NyeMoNik70
      Academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences N.A. Morozov and his work "Revelation in a Thunderstorm and Storm".

      And the ten volume "CHRIST"
      (Under Stalin, by the way.)
    2. avt
      avt 28 March 2018 10: 43
      +8
      Quote: NyeMoNik70
      And also we had an honorary academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences N. A. Morozov and his work “Revelation in a Thunderstorm and Storm”.

      Well, this, classical historians "was even sentenced even worse than Fomenko and Nosovsky! They put him into oblivion, not to mention a word .... in general ... at all! And the personality was outstanding!
  18. Operator
    Operator 28 March 2018 08: 59
    +8
    The article is an obvious provocation, an attempt to attach the objective data of DNA genealogy to the subjective opinion of Fomenko.

    The author wants to make the titular people of the Russian Federation repent.
    1. Standard
      Standard 28 March 2018 09: 59
      +2
      Quote: Operator
      attempt to fasten to the subjective opinion of Fomenko

      As Sherlock Holmes would say: this is not just a subjective opinion. This is a hypothesis! It allows you to make assumptions.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 28 March 2018 23: 27
        +1
        Quote: Norma
        This is a hypothesis! It allows you to make assumptions.

        Assumptions allows us to construct a THEORY, which should grow out of a hypothesis, but alas, Fomenko has not grown.
    2. Luga
      28 March 2018 11: 16
      +8
      Quote: Operator
      The article is an obvious provocation, an attempt to attach the objective data of DNA genealogy to the subjective opinion of Fomenko.

      The DNA genealogy, as well as the new chronology, is referred by most specialized (I emphasize, specialized) scientists, that is, geneticists, to pseudoscience. How and why - you, as a person who is passionate about this topic, should know better than me.
      However, the scientific nature or unscientific nature of DNA genealogy as well as the scientific nature or unscientific nature of the new chronology I would not like to discuss here. I wrote about what I wrote (read carefully) and I’m interested in the opinion of the commentators about this, and not about that Fomenko, Klesov and other authors of new historical concepts are right or wrong.
      1. Operator
        Operator 28 March 2018 19: 29
        +3
        I wrote about the article - a provocation.
  19. Kelwin
    Kelwin 28 March 2018 09: 10
    +14
    The most interesting in this holivar horoscopes. You can argue as much as you like about the Mongols and other unprovable facts, but deciphering horoscopes on specific dates, which do not fit into the official chronology, is a serious blow to the poddy. Here first explain these horoscopes, and then call the liars of the authors of the theory. For the Middle Ages it was like a digital signature, then there was no way to draw something different from the current sky that is visible from here without errors. This is just a fact, iron, this is a specific date, certified by a digital signature.
    1. Topgun
      Topgun 28 March 2018 10: 57
      +2
      it’s interesting how the person in your profile picture would react to the word “horoscope” ...
      1. axxmanm
        axxmanm 28 March 2018 12: 34
        +6
        Quote: Topgun
        it’s interesting how the person in your profile picture would react to the word “horoscope” ...

        Before writing, you need to understand in what context a person uses the word "horoscope".
        "Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer." (WITH)
        1. Topgun
          Topgun 28 March 2018 14: 58
          0
          How do you know that I understood that I didn’t? Kashpirovsky? there is commentary written criticism of the comment above?
          "everyone sees what he wants to see" (C)
          PS: and yes, official science in dating events looks at the sky if possible (constellations, eclipses, comets), and at horoscopes, too, if there are at least small clumps of papyrus parchment paper, etc. and what is written and analyzed in them, science uses everything ...
          BUT stars do not affect drought in one territory and with subsequent migration and wars of people, on this side science does not work with horoscopes ...
  20. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 28 March 2018 09: 11
    +14
    Interesting theories are the lot of scientists and this is wonderful. The numerous views and hard work of individual fanatics form an integrated view of the problems. Dogma is usually a numb and extremely inflexible structure. Well, it fits so often remembered now in the Russian media - the USSR. There is a ossified (in its ideology and elite) USSR and there is quite flexible China. Which side is the future on?

    Fomenko's theories are doomed to go in the shadow of dogmatic history. Just like many things in our world. Everyone at school is simply driven in that "You can't divide by zero!" Just dogma, because how to explain why - too long and difficult for the children's mind. As an alternative view of his theory, quite an interesting reading matter. In addition ... Fomenko cannot take away mathematics (astronomy), if not cool. And Fomenko’s dogmatic history can be replaced only if suddenly humanity shrinks to the Russian population. And this number will systematically be hammered into its version.

    However, there is a nuance that has always entered into a stupor. Just 100 years ago, the average speed of movement of a person with a wagon was 15-20 km per hour. 50 years ago already 70 km per hour. Now it is over 100. An increase of 5 times in 100 years. Talking about the speed of information transfer is simply ridiculous. It is too presumptuous to think that our ancestors were dumber than us. Even arithmetic progression indicates that this is unlikely. And the history of the last 100 years is explained by a “leap”. Why would such a jump? It got boring?

    Fomenko's theory has the right to life.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 28 March 2018 18: 55
      +4
      Quote: IrbenWolf
      Fomenko's theory has the right to life.

      Tell it to Mikhail Luga wink
      But there are also such vindictive peoples that after a thousand years they suddenly break down and go to smash the Gentiles (Crusades). Gumilyov even coined the term - passionarity, because this common sense cannot be explained request This is the same thing that we now go to war on Turkey for the fact that it destroyed the Christian Byzantium fool laughing But nothing - academic historians are fine. So Czechoslovakians have something that differs from the “right” story hi
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 28 March 2018 21: 01
      +1
      I admit that time is nonlinear. I see certain examples from life. I will not prove.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 28 March 2018 21: 39
        +1
        Definitely nonlinear. Time is the vector of continum determined by consciousness.
  21. shinobi
    shinobi 28 March 2018 09: 12
    +6
    The winners write the story, so it is 80% false. This is no better. And yes, the Russian people will not be disturbed by a little ambition of the titular nation of the empire.
  22. Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 March 2018 09: 29
    +11
    pseudo-scientific historical course
    would rather be cons. I, too, do not agree with Fomenko. But do you all know that in Russia there is a whole institution to combat pseudoscience. That is, these people have learned all the truths of the world and have arrogated to themselves the right to fight science. And if today it seems “pseudoscience” and tomorrow the most advanced.
    Fomenko is right or wrong, there is no evidence, well, if only to invent a time machine. So the author has a fat minus for conceit.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 28 March 2018 11: 16
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      But do you all know that in Russia there is a whole institution to combat pseudoscience.

      You won’t throw the address. It is advisable not to refer to Fomenko or RenTV.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 March 2018 11: 32
        +2
        Do not throw the address
        here
        look for the link on wikipedia did not work
        or here
        http://klnran.ru/about/sostav/
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 28 March 2018 18: 59
          +4
          Quote: Gardamir
          http://klnran.ru/about/sostav/

          Mostly academicians and "corresponding members" .... laughing
          It is not surprising that everything that does not fit into the “right” science must be destroyed! fool
          Doesn’t it remind you of the burning of books in the Middle Ages ???? what
          But how are these fighters for the "right" science better than medieval fighters ??? request
    2. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 28 March 2018 18: 41
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      Fomenko is right or wrong, there is no evidence, well, if only to invent a time machine. So the author has a fat minus for conceit.

      I’m 100% sure that those who have fallen into it will say in the past: not all garbage, I don’t believe anything, this is not my past - this is parallel reality.
      Quote: Gardamir
      But do you all know that in Russia there is a whole institution to combat pseudoscience. That is, these people have learned all the truths of the world and have arrogated to themselves the right to fight science. And if today it seems “pseudoscience” and tomorrow the most advanced.

      I then remembered Chumak and Kashpirovsky - they also moved science, not studied. here everything is much more effectively brought to the public [media = http: //antropogenez.ru/]
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 March 2018 19: 24
        +1
        this is not my past - it is a parallel reality.
        Here is another version
        https://www.proza.ru/2018/01/29/1848
      2. philosopher
        philosopher 28 March 2018 23: 55
        0
        Yes you! And if you do not interfere with flies with cutlets, it turns out that Kashpirovsky has a medical education and documented cases of curing his patients using methods of non-traditional medicine, while Chumak did not notice anything but a parrot and was constantly scolded and ridiculed by the same Kashpirovsky. And you them - under one comb ...
  23. Lnglr
    Lnglr 28 March 2018 09: 29
    +8
    Fomenko has a lot of controversy. But on the account of the fact that on thousands of paintings / prints / books there are dating i453, i545, i345 and so on, which are now usually interpreted as 1453, 1545, 1345 and so on - there is nothing to argue about.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 28 March 2018 19: 01
      +4
      This will be told to official historians - they will tell you that then they DRAWED SO or, at best, declare these paintings as fakes or keep silent laughing
      Because today's historians better know what the artists of that time wrote fool
      1. Bibabo
        Bibabo 29 March 2018 12: 41
        0
        There are drawings dating from the first millennium ... For example, the Stuttgart Psalter - 820 - 830. How can these images be equated with images from 1820-1830? And thousands are now often separated by a dot or a space.
  24. Grigory Anatolyevich
    Grigory Anatolyevich 28 March 2018 09: 32
    +4
    History is written and rewritten, fact. Depending on the needs of those in power. No need to go far.
  25. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 March 2018 09: 37
    +12
    Perhaps we are witnessing (and victims) a carefully planned set of measures to disorient and disunite the peoples of our multinational country, the ultimate goal of which is to destabilize the domestic political situation in the Russian Federation, up to its complete disintegration into numerous and weak national-territorial entities.

    It is said so powerful that a straight tremor starts in the tailbone. And it’s said well, frankly. When did historians need the authorities, when did they begin to receive decent funding, even if only at first? When the rulers realized - there is a lever (well ... a lever) that will help, in modern terms, legitimize the seizures, wars, and others, let's say, the ambiguous actions of state power. Over time, technology developed, and now history has begun to be used by historians to influence people in terms of building a country and various other psycho-influences.
    As a matter of fact, the author is saddened about this, saying that someone is attacking the familiar picture that historians created on government orders. Author, such attacks are not good. The state really suffers from this. But do you really not see the other side of the question? However, what am I talking about? Be historians scholars at least by the hair ... Alas. So here.
    Times have changed. People not only learned to read, but also to count, too, and this process was greatly facilitated! And the historical frames created for the illiterate masses crackled at all seams. Your tales used to work. Now no! It is only necessary to calculate how much the horse eats, and what are the human and technical costs of moving the "Mongol-Tatar hordes", to lay a satellite route on a migration route from Mongolia to our steppes, and only your Mongol-Tatar yoke, sanctified by historical "science", can only neigh, gaggle, helplessly trying to somehow keep within the bounds of decency.
    And so with almost all the basic, reference points of the historical picture created for us by historians. This picture is torn to pieces. It was created for people who would never think of checking it. Since historians are people who do not learn the exact sciences, none of them owns analytical thinking. Therefore, these people are not able to somehow improve their tales. In another topic, the author of the article does not see and does not understand the difference between the fact that the helmet is “broken” and “destroyed by corrosion”. It doesn’t matter to him. In general, everything is hopeless.
    Yes, Fomenko is funny. But he did not come from a conspiracy of hostile villains. He appeared because it is impossible to endure delusional tales, which we have instead of history! And now historians, not being able to sort out their clump of plague nonsense somehow, demand from the authorities to protect their nonsense by repression. Not without reason, believing that a poor understanding of the country's history is to her detriment. This is so, but Fomenko is never to blame for the poor understanding of history ...
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 28 March 2018 19: 02
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Yes, Fomenko is funny. But he did not come from a conspiracy of hostile villains. He appeared because it is impossible to endure delusional tales, which we have instead of history! And now historians, not being able to sort out their clump of plague nonsense somehow, demand from the authorities to protect their nonsense by repression. Not without reason, believing that a poor understanding of the country's history is to her detriment. This is so, but Fomenko is never to blame for the poor understanding of history ...

      good yes hi
  26. shinobi
    shinobi 28 March 2018 09: 48
    +5
    The history of the discovery of the city of Arkaim is indicative of the history and interpretation of historical facts. There are ruins of the city, there is dating. And then there are solid assumptions and speculations, since according to the generally accepted official science, where it is, in that historical period (2000-3000 years before AD), it cannot be. And it is. What is funny, its location as the northern ancestral home of the Aryans is quite accurately (by stars) mentioned in the Indian Maharbharat, which appeared about 5-6 thousand years BC. when, according to the Western history of civilization, they just started to settle on the ground and build wooden fortifications.
  27. ZanozaD
    ZanozaD 28 March 2018 09: 51
    +9
    Strange, the author blinded God's gift with fried eggs!
    How many articles Fomenko read, nowhere about the superiority of some nations over others have not seen. Everything is logical and scientific. Yes, ideal theories are not immediately created, it is necessary to work on this, which Fomenko and Nosovsky are doing!
    And in this libel, so to speak, the “historian” has chopped and mixed so much delirium!
    At least sometimes it is necessary to include the logic and analysis of the read.
  28. Standard
    Standard 28 March 2018 09: 53
    +5
    maybe it's time to repent?
    -------------------------------------------------
    --
    First of all, Russian guardians should competently use church vocabulary that has entered into Russian culture (and creates it).
    Repentance is a church Sacrament (Mystery) - which has its purpose and its own specificity.
    And illiterate random consumers of scientific hypotheses need to be more modest. At least to find out from what year does this Fomenko hypothesis exist? This is by no means "2005", but much earlier.
    To do this, it’s enough (although it’s unlikely for the author) to go to the site chronology.org. There are many that are.

    Unclear. what happened - the anniversary of A.T. Fomenko, or what? Then - my sincere congratulations.

    Or why on earth did our evil spirits wake up again? Show headline moderator your own? as stupid, but cunning as the author?
    Oh, topwar ...
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 28 March 2018 10: 04
      +4
      Increasing pressure on historians. With the growing number of questions to which historians give frankly foolish answers, the carefree life of the academic hangout was very difficult. It has become many times more difficult to receive funding, in addition, the closure of NPO channels and close attention to this topic constricts the channels for obtaining funds to maintain a specific “scientific community” for Russia.
      This very community lets in its ranks only those who in every possible way demonstrate frank betrayal of Russia, its people and its history. Obviously not without foreign injections, attention and care. Any recognized Russian historian has dozens of articles and books in which he diligently and in detail pours mud on the Russian people and extols the West elves to heaven. As it was here, on the resource, a wonderful article by one of them about how the cutest anti-Napoleonic coalition could not advance in France, because its soldiers created such that they began to be beaten by civilians, expelled from cities and beat in the tail and mane in villages and villages. And then forward miserable Russian barbarians who did not burn, did not force, did not torture and did not rob. You must read this article to understand the level of the most vile betrayal of our historical hangout ...
      So the cap on the thief burns with great force. It is necessary to protect the meadow, and yourself too ...
  29. Old26
    Old26 28 March 2018 10: 06
    0
    Quote: zyzx
    I am not a supporter of the Fomenkovshchina, but looking at how we are rewriting history, and not just a story, but one that I myself witnessed, I can say that ALL history is lies. It’s just ridiculous to think that it was not rewritten in the Middle Ages and before.

    At Fomenko, I was able to master only a couple of books. The only thing that he’s “captivating” so to speak is some facts not explained by traditional history. And many of his calculations are interesting.
    In my opinion, it is exactly the same irritant for the "classical" historians, as well as hundreds of other people who are not walking and not looking for "traditional ways". Someone invented something, and skeptics from among the "classics" pounced on him in a crowd. Say it can’t be and that’s it. It looks like this too.

    But I cannot call myself a supporter or opponent. And by and large, now in my virtual library his books are side by side with the books of others by the author, which I either consider unreliable, or so far without accurate evidence (a certain filter sedimentation tank)

    Quote: novel xnumx
    Yes, they just got lost - there was no GPS

    Well, there’s nothing wrong with that. Navigation error. And in the last century this happened. The most famous and famous such a navigational error is the campaign of the sailor-partisan Zheleznyak. Do you remember? "He went to Odessaand left to Kherson "
    1. IQ12NHJ21az
      IQ12NHJ21az 30 March 2018 15: 58
      +2
      Her! The most remarkable mistake - the mistake of Captain Columbus - sailed to India, and sailed to America! Now, according to the article - ANY hypothesis has the right to exist until the contrary is proved. Fomenko and Nasovsky are not the ultimate truth, they simply allow you to look at the facts from a different angle and give their evidence. This may or may not be believed, but their findings are interesting. Especially. that the official historical science is silent about these facts. For example, now many have begun to substantiate their antiquity with different "stories" who are how many thousands of years old (Chinese, Indians, Jews, etc.) and rarely anyone remembers the Russian calendar canceled by Tsar Peter, or the inscription on the grave stone of King Charles XII. The new chronology of Fomenko and Nosovsky allows you to think and critically look at the official history. There is no nationalism in their works, especially fascism. And why do our "academic" historians recognize the "antiquity" of the Chinese and do not recognize the longer Russian history than 1000 years.
  30. Luga
    28 March 2018 10: 13
    +10
    Read the comments.
    Colleagues, do not disappoint me.
    Either I wrote vaguely, or most of the commentators did not see the forest behind the trees. The article is not about whether Fomenko is right or wrong. If anyone is interested, there are a lot of articles criticizing his hypotheses and conclusions written by "profile" scientists, including, by the way, mathematicians, in whose glades he deigned to trample down. Personally, they convince me more than what Fomenko writes.
    This article is written completely about something else, but commentators, from those that noted, did not notice.
    Now I will sit for a long time and think how to write so that readers at least understand what is written.
    I thought to participate in the discussion of the issues of nationalism, the reasons for the emergence of new historical concepts, their ideological component ... Instead, it’s necessary again, once again it turns out to be a comparison of the new chronology - for or against.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 28 March 2018 11: 13
      +5
      Mikhail, the people need new "epoes" of Fomenko, Nosovsky, this devil, like him ... Old men and others .. Those questions that you wanted to discuss, few people care about now .. remember: "jazz guys give a damn about it "Dad" likes .. "(hf" We are from Jazz ") .... Many have decided who is to blame and what to do, which is good and bad .. We don’t want to learn from the mistakes of others ... Why, they are stupid , we are smart about this type and DNA says ... But when it comes, God forbid misfortune, they will shrug their hands how it happened ... It seems a harmless topic was raised .. But it turned out: Do not teach me how to live ....
      1. Luga
        28 March 2018 11: 39
        +3
        Quote: parusnik
        Michael, people need new "eroi"

        Interestingly, if the article did not express its unequivocal attitude to the hypotheses of Fomenko, would it have passed more gently, would it be easier for the rest to catch its main idea? And so it happened: Fomenko is being insulted, literally "ours are beaten!" and it started, we see nothing and hear nothing. The article has become another injection of all long-tried substance to the fan.
        But it’s still interesting, the discussion on the topic of the article will start, or the people of Fomenko pairs will release and calm down.
        1. NyeMoNik70
          NyeMoNik70 28 March 2018 12: 01
          +4
          Michael, and you try to rework the article and post it again. At the same time, explain to forum users about "new historical concepts, their ideological component ..." hi
        2. parusnik
          parusnik 28 March 2018 13: 18
          +4
          I think that no ... on the topic of the article it will not start ... They defend their sacred, they encroach on it ... wink People have already plunged into alternativeism ... He likes it ... I don’t dare to condemn it much, because he himself had been ill since he was young ...
    2. Z_G_R
      Z_G_R 28 March 2018 13: 48
      +5
      Michael, with all due respect, you were simply mistaken in mentioning alternative specialists. Not even that they were mistaken, but you just don’t really understand what you are talking about. Alternativeists do not have a question of nationalism at all; on the contrary, they say that people used to be united. And only then did the division into countries and nationalities begin. And not so long ago. There are, of course, stubborn provocateurs, but here you just need to understand the material enough not to be fooled by such authors. That's all.
      1. Luga
        28 March 2018 14: 50
        +4
        Quote: Z_G_R
        The question of nationalism in alternatives is not worth it at all,

        Here I disagree with you, Alexey. If you look at their work in general, from a distance, then an obvious nationalist bias is evident. It all comes down to the fact that in antiquity we, Russians were hoo, the beacon of civilization and the engine of progress. And this is for ALL newly appeared history gurus, I don’t see any sense in listing them. The origins of their works may lie in the century-old and more ancient ideas of Russian nationalists, for example, or as Klesov was born relatively recently, Fomenko began to develop his chronology back in 1970, but the explosion of popularity of these ideas fell on our time. And the explosion is simultaneous, despite the fact that these concepts largely exclude each other. What do they have in common? Only one thing - nationalism in its worst form - the proclamation of the superiority of one nation over the others.
        I believe that the same Fomenko, formulating his ideas about chronology, did not suspect that in the end he would be the “founder” of the ancient Russian state, the most ancient and developed on the planet, the backbone of which was, of course, the Russians.
        Recently, I reviewed a lot of rollers with performances by Fomenko and Nosovsky personally, so I know their main hypotheses and arguments, literally from first-hand and I understand what I'm talking about. I admit that the ideas of Fomenko are currently creatively developed by irresponsible followers, but this does not remove responsibility from the authors themselves, since in the end they put their signatures under questionable works.
        1. Z_G_R
          Z_G_R 28 March 2018 14: 59
          +2
          I understand what you are talking about, but I will repeat it again. If you delve deeper into this issue, it will become clear that this is not exactly about "the Russians were wow." There, the essence is that the peoples of Europe and Asia left the territory of the North of Russia. that is, we are all kindred peoples. This is important to understand. Well, there are certainly provocateurs who promote the ideas of nationalism. It is simply necessary, as with every science, to approach with understanding, and not from the top.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 28 March 2018 17: 11
            +1
            we are all kindred peoples. This is important to understand.
            .... Here the dog rummaged ... and they don’t want to understand this ...
            1. Z_G_R
              Z_G_R 28 March 2018 18: 12
              +1
              but do not want to understand WHY? But because in our government (I’m not talking about the country, but about world governance) there are people who are FAVORABLE to divide people into nations, peoples and countries. Then there will be conflicts, then there will be beggars and rich, then most people will think of survival (eat-sleep) as a goal in life. And any equality-brotherhood and the development of civilization will not occur to people. So their power and business are safe. He quarreled with Russia, Ukraine .. for decades, he made the development of the Slavic region dependent on the West. So in Asia, in Africa, in South America is done. Divide and rule.

              And in these moments lies the danger of alt history. If it emerges that there used to be a single land, and most of the people were relatives to each other, then how do we separate and how to rule? If we find out how the current countries actually formed and in what conditions did this happen, how will we respond to this? The capitalist world order is shaken. Therefore, in every possible way they drive the alternativeists underground, make them clowns and sick people) Although there are certainly such people in this environment.
  31. Mengad
    Mengad 28 March 2018 10: 31
    +3
    Quote: victor50
    But Fomenko and his partner cite facts (who, when, where, what night before Christmas?), Acting with the same intent and without any hesitation, all over the world amicably forged ancient manuscripts, fitting them to Scaliger’s chronology? Apart from our "insignificant" (obviously, you think so) domestic evidence and legends and written West European and Chinese sources about the Mongol-Tatar invasion. They also made for the sake of our vanity? Maybe you should find them and read them? The same goes for the rest of the questions.
    Why do not refute the evidence that Fomenko leads? I don’t know, perhaps serious scientists consider this to be below their dignity, which may be incorrect in the current situation. But something is nevertheless refuted and literally line by line, read, I can’t give the title of the book now, but if interested, you can search and find.

    You still say that Germany attacked without declaring war on June 22, 1941. Napoleon attacked Russia, but it turns out that with a finer analysis of those events, Alexander the First actually attacked Napoleon himself. And how much lies in academic history? It is something. laughing ,,Why do not refute the evidence that Fomenko leads? I don’t know, maybe serious scientists consider it below their dignity,Serious scientists..and dignity? laughter and only laughing Do you recall who wrote the story to you? EEE? Germans .... Germans ... One Lomonosov resisted them .. As they say: Without a past .. there is no future. Everyone has a story ... but not in Russia .. you don’t think this is suspicious eh?
  32. andj61
    andj61 28 March 2018 10: 34
    +8
    Quote: zyzx
    I am not a supporter of the Fomenkovshchina, but looking at how we are rewriting history, and not just a story, but one that I myself witnessed, I can say that ALL history is lies. It’s just ridiculous to think that it was not rewritten in the Middle Ages and before.

    Quote: aleks_29296
    Winners usually write history. We were the winners, we had one story, they won now they insist on our ears that before the story was not right. As a rule, a story is written for a specific time and a specific political regime. And here transformations begin: heroes become villains and vice versa.

    good Totally agree with you.
    Here are just a few words about Fomenkovism. Fomenko is a major specialist in applied mathematics. Having only defended his candidate, he took on a specific task - from the locations of stars and planets to calculate the specific date of the event according to the current calendar. The location of the stars was taken either according to the drawings in the books, the tombs, or according to the description in the annals (in the year of Karl Tolstoy’s reign, a comet was visible for 28 days, and two years later there was an eclipse in the summer and the sun hid its face for 300 heartbeats and darkness has come). He performed the calculations, gave out several dates for each case (one with a probability of, for example, 98%, the other with a probability of 76%, etc.), he conducted an analysis and was surprised. A series of events until the 16th century did not correspond to generally accepted dates. I can’t say for sure, but, for example, Ancient Egypt "grew younger" for several millennia, and a number of events generally took place already in the 2nd millennium AD. And then begins the lyrics and commercial use of the results of Fomenkovsky calculations. And the question moved from a purely mathematical to a historical and commercial plane. In truth, there is no special evidence that A. Fomenko himself was involved in this - it was done by his permanent co-author G. Nosovsky and a bunch of black literature, but he gave his name to Fomenko. A number of works contradict each other - so biblical events take place either in Italy (after all, the volcano in the Mediterranean is only there, and the scriptures indicate its eruption), then on the Bosphorus - in Anatolia near Constantinople there is the grave of the martyr Isa - why not Jesus ? - etc.
    Regarding the Slavic conquest of Rome - in the north of Italy, Italian was spoken in the cities, and in the countryside Slavic in the early 19th century - there is historical evidence for this - Rome even printed popular books on religious topics in Slavic languages. King Charles 11 - the father of the infamous Charles 12 - is written from some hangover in Latin letters in almost Russian - for example, I understand. What is it - did the Slavs live in Sweden and Italy? Further - knightly castles throughout Europe, but not in Russia! The explanation is simple - the Slavs-Russians conquered them, so they fenced themselves off from an alien population by fortresses - in Russia there was no need for this, the whole people were their own! And here comes the book "Slavic conquest of the world" from Nosovsky’s filing, in which all this is based. The arguments for this, of course, are rather weak.
    But the main conclusion is that we have a history full of gaps, gaps and falsifications. Some of them were identified by Fomenko. They must be eliminated - historians do not give a real answer to the facts, they criticize only the speculations contained in the books of Fomenko-Nosovsky. hi
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 28 March 2018 13: 34
      +1
      Quote: andj61
      But the main conclusion is that we have a history full of gaps, gaps and falsifications. Some of them were identified by Fomenko.

      I agree with that.
      Quote: andj61
      on the Bosphorus - in Anatolia near Constantinople there is the grave of the martyr Isa - why not Jesus?

      An acquaintance of his grandfather was picking mushrooms and came across a grave. We are sure that this is the grave of Saladin. He died a couple of kilometers from there in 1936. And there is no mistake with the date. Lorenz Saladin was buried there by his Russian comrades.
      In our "very proud and extremely ancient country" there was an OI of President Otumbaev, right after her was President Atambaev. What conclusions can the conditional Fomenko draw in a thousand years?
      Quote: andj61
      knightly castles throughout Europe, but not in Russia! The explanation is simple - the Slavs-Russians conquered them, so they fenced themselves off from an alien population by fortresses - in Russia there was no need for this

      The way of life of Russia was different and there were few stones. Where they could build fortresses of stone, they built there.
      1. andj61
        andj61 29 March 2018 09: 48
        +1
        Quote: Humpty
        An acquaintance of his grandfather was picking mushrooms and came across a grave. We are sure that this is the grave of Saladin. He died a couple of kilometers from there in 1936. And there is no mistake with the date. Lorenz Saladin was buried there by his Russian comrades.
        In our "very proud and extremely ancient country" there was an OI of President Otumbaev, right after her was President Atambaev. What conclusions can the conditional Fomenko draw in a thousand years?

        good Of course, this is the same person! Just think, Otumbaeva or Atambaev - a question of pronunciation and description! In Europe, the annals of neighboring countries still cannot be docked! bully But what about countries - monasteries that were not far from each other? The names of the kings are different, and even during the period of one reign, the same king or duke had different nicknames. And as he was called in a neighboring country - the same misunderstanding. Yes, and we have two Ivanov Vasilievich of Grozny - one grandfather, Ivan 3, the other grandson - Ivan 4, whom we know as Grozny.
        Quote: Humpty
        My attitude to Fomenko is that of a pike so that crucian carp would not doze off. Finds a lot of inconsistencies, contradictions in history. The feeling that where his theory is not too convincing, he frankly pulls an owl on the globe never leaves. His reference to the 1054 supernova in particular.

        I completely agree. Although it’s not worth paying attention to an owl and a globe, historians do not even try to explain inconsistencies, they only debunk these same Fomenkovsky owls and globes. hi
  33. Humpty
    Humpty 28 March 2018 10: 36
    +3
    My attitude to Fomenko is that of a pike so that crucian carp would not doze off. Finds a lot of inconsistencies, contradictions in history. The feeling that where his theory is not too convincing, he frankly pulls an owl on the globe never leaves. His reference to the 1054 supernova in particular.
  34. konstantin68
    konstantin68 28 March 2018 11: 29
    +2
    Quote: basmach
    Dear, you first explain how the nomadic Mongol tribes, without arms craftsmen, poorly armed small numbers, were able to conquer China. For example, compare with the war of the steppes and Russia. All the raids without serious collisions. And the campaigns on them Monomakh, and how everything ended for the steppe at the same time, let's remember about the yellow campaign.
    And further. Stepnyakov, unlike the sedentary, had no grain and was deprived of eating pasture. I wonder how you can feed 2-3 tumens (only 2 were on Kalka) going compactly. And according to the annals of the tumens there were more

    ... and what historical mark did the Golden Horde leave, a huge empire, in your interpretation? Cities, culture, technology, writing?
  35. Dedrusav
    Dedrusav 28 March 2018 11: 57
    +6
    "Repent and pay!" (Soros)
    A true modern Russian historian must believe Scaliger and the pope, as well as Western scholars, despise astronomical data, reject mathematical methods of historical chronology and physical laws, hate Russia and have a US passport.
    Only then he has the opportunity to become an academician of the RAS.
  36. Ledorub
    Ledorub 28 March 2018 12: 22
    +8
    It should be recalled that Fomenko and Nosovsky developed their theory from the 70s. There was no question of any conjuncture and dough. But they risked to fly out of work with a life-long ban on teaching and scientific activities. And, by the way, they never poured mud on anyone. Educated and very smart people. At the same time, our "traditional" historians received ranks and state awards. And then, and now they will defend their history, it feeds them. Cracks quietly at all seams, flows in many directions, but so far feeds.
    And an article of this kind, in relation to Fomenko and Nosovsky, is far from the first, but very similar to all the same. Always slogans, dousing and lack of controversy and argumentation. Wow, he also pulled Hitler here ... Just like Borya Johnson recently. More horror and slogans when there are few arguments.
  37. ArhipenkoAndrey
    ArhipenkoAndrey 28 March 2018 12: 24
    +5
    Ah, how was it calm for the author when science proved that the Slavs and Russians are such a lubricant of history, but the Anglo-Saxons are the same progress, and then someone dared to encroach on doctoral and candidate degrees, ayah, which Slavs? here arrogant Saxons, Greeks, although the author does not see the difference between Greeks and Helins, unites them into one people, but Russia is nonsense for him, what a concern that it turns out Russians will want to understand as an ancient and highly developed people - it’s impossible, the owners because they don’t order the hillock and the author doesn’t dispute the eternal neglect of the Slavs - slaves, but whoever owns the history owns the world, it’s not in vain that they intensively rewrite it right before our eyes — the Americans and Angicians won the Second World War, etc., and we must repent to the author of this libel.
  38. _Krechet_
    _Krechet_ 28 March 2018 12: 49
    +4
    Anatoly successfully defends his thesis, and in 1972 - his doctorate. Brilliant scientific career. Soon he became a professor, head of the department, a corresponding member, and then a full member of the RAS in the department of mathematics. The works of Anatoly, now Anatoly Timofeevich, are translated into many languages, published in dozens of countries.


    You can, of course, throw it away, but I considered such an act akin to surrender and from that moment I began to evaluate this household item not as an agent of enemy influence, but as own scoutbroadcasting to me from the enemy camp information about next plans my eternal adversaries - stupidity and ignorance. Life has become easier.


    The stupidity and ignorance from the lips of the academician, whom you described in great detail in the first part? Sumptuously!

    Sarcastic comments... helped my home and primarily for children, better to understand many things, anyway, instilled in them critical thinking regarding information that can be gleaned from numerous sources, be it radio, television or the Internet.

    It always seemed to me that critical thinking is formed not by sarcastic comments, but by education. To educate with caustic comments is something new.

    that thanks to the worldwide conspiracy of historians, archaeologists, geneticists, astronomers, and other, other, other, world history is perverted beyond recognition

    You are not talking about that. Convincingly, on your part, it would be to refute the scientific method used by the academician. All that you wrote here is emotions that have nothing to do with specific rebuttals!

    But imagine what will happen if the titular nation tries to "identify" in a multinational state.

    Until now, the self-identification of Russians has only benefited other nations.

    To say that the text is weak is to say nothing (for me, who does not have any special knowledge of history and is looking for rebuttals of the theory of Anatoly Timofeevich Fomenko).
    1. Luga
      28 March 2018 13: 23
      +5
      Quote: _Are_
      You are not talking about that. Convincingly, on your part, it would be to refute the scientific method used by the academician.

      I repeat again.
      The purpose of the article is not to criticize the teachings of Fomenko or anyone else. This is done by people who are not inferior to Fomenko not in terms of intellectual development, not in authority in the scientific world — experts in those areas where Fomenko managed to succeed: physicists, mathematicians, astronomers, linguists, and, of course, historians. It is noteworthy, by the way, that they are supported mainly by amateurs in the same areas, but by the way.
      The article is written entirely about something else. I'll try to chew.
      I noticed one common feature in ALL modern pseudo-historical theories, which include New Chronology and DNA Genealogy and Siberian Scythian Rus and everything else from this series, and asked two questions:
      1. Is the simultaneous and rapid growth in the popularity of these pseudo-scientific, different in content, but always narrowly oriented, theories the consequence of the transition of society to a new stage of development or is it a consequence of ideological diversion in order to undermine the foundations of the state structure of the Russian Federation?
      2. Are we not going, accepting to some degree or another the provisions of these theories, along the path of modern Ukraine?
      Try to answer these questions.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 28 March 2018 19: 23
        +5
        Quote: Luga
        Are we not taking, to one degree or another, the provisions of these theories, along the path of modern Ukraine?

        Why take them? Nothing is eternal under the Moon request Anyway, there will be new evidence of this or that event, all the same, people will appear who doubt that they are being imposed, all the same the conservatism of modern history will be criticized.
        Quote: Luga
        Is the simultaneous and rapid growth in the popularity of these pseudo-scientific, different in content, but always highly nationally oriented theories, a consequence of the transition of society to a new stage of development, or is it a consequence of ideological sabotage in order to undermine the foundations of the state system of the Russian Federation?

        The answer to this question will be the further emergence of masses of new people asking “wrong” questions and trying to find answers to them, at least with video cameras crawling through the ruins and places of excavation.
        And so that historians would not have a kind of article, like today’s, historians themselves need to sit down and, based on a wealth of new data, revise their beliefs. Not everything that pseudoscientific historians provide is a kind of flood. And do you not know that there are a lot of questions that historians will gladly leave unanswered or hide in the storerooms of museums. Or even better, they’ll come up with an excuse.
        Maybe these "pseudo-scientists" are wrong in some ways, but are historians so infallible that they appropriate the right to judge what happened and when, and pointing it out to others ???
        Personally, I am not opposed to history, but gentlemen, when the evidence base comes down to "because I am an academician, and they are liars," or "because then it was like that," then by no means a normal person will begin to look for answers to his questions in other places. That's because in our country people still have not forgotten how to think and there are a lot of doubters yes
        Personally, my opinion, with respect hi
        1. Luga
          28 March 2018 20: 24
          +1
          In general, I partially answered this comment in my previous post from 17: 14. History does not stand still, but they move it, like any other science, in accordance with our ancestors developed over the centuries, the methods of knowledge, relying on the results of their works, rethinking and developing them. And evaluate the results in accordance with certain criteria, also proven by centuries. To reject everything that has been done before you and not you, to declare that which contradicts your hypotheses with falsification without sufficient reason (where are orders to conduct an audit of the chronicle fund, where are acts of destruction of documents, if it comes to that? No? Then what kind of falsification can are we talking?), this is a non-scientific method. ATFomenko does not own the methods of historical knowledge, although he is fluent in the methods of knowledge of mathematics. I would look at it if, for example, A.N. Kirpichnikov began to teach him mathematics.
          As for the so-called. "mysteries of history", which, allegedly, historians either hide or decide to pull an owl on a globe, then not all at once. It would be desirable, I understand, to know everything "here and now", but it will not work. Yesterday, Dvurechensky found Kulikovo Field, tomorrow someone will find the Battle of the Ice, an ancient chronicle or another manuscript will appear in some treasure or library, invent new, more accurate dating methods and few secrets. And in vain do you think that admitting mistakes, especially in the light of newly discovered circumstances, spoils the reputation of a scientist. If you study the monographs of domestic historians, then you can often find the recognition of their own mistakes in them and this was not considered an extraordinary event and did not affect the reputation as scientists. In memory now, for example, I.Shaskolsky and his monograph on the Orekhovets Treaty of 1323. So the reproaches that they supposedly “protect the field” from strangers seem ridiculous to me. Prove your hypothesis in accordance with accepted and proven criteria by science, and not "conspiracy theory" or other conspiracy theories and you will be a hero.
          1. Rurikovich
            Rurikovich 28 March 2018 21: 40
            +5
            Quote: Luga
            I would look at him if, for example, A.N. Kirpichnikov began to teach him mathematics.

            EMNIP, the same Fomenko invited historians, as scientists, to explain the dating, which he, as a mathematician, provided. And the fact that he did not climb into his garden indicates that historians answered him. So there is nothing surprising in the fact that mathematicians are engaged in history ...
            Quote: Luga
            As for the so-called "mysteries of history", which supposedly historians either hide or solve by pulling an owl on a globe, then not all at once

            Mikhail, it’s foolish to deny that during excavations in Pompeii, supposedly buried in AD 79, a copy of Raphael’s fresco "Three Graces" of 1504 was discovered. Yes, and the windows were discovered only in the 14th century. So, either historians lie, or declare everything found in Pompeii fake ... So not everything that stretches onto the globe is an owl what
            Quote: Luga
            Yesterday Dvurechensky found Kulikovo Field, tomorrow someone will find the Battle of the Ice, an ancient chronicle or other manuscript will pop up in some treasure or library, they will invent new more accurate dating methods and fewer secrets will become less

            That is why it is not thoughtless to declare heresy hypotheses as heresy - suddenly the lunatics arrive tomorrow and say that we have been watching you for a long time and the whole story you invented is a fairy tale, and Fomenko’s dating is true wink smile
            Quote: Luga
            If you study the monographs of domestic historians, then you often find recognition of their own mistakes in them and this was not considered an event out of the ordinary for them and did not affect the reputation as scientists

            Then, Michael, it would not hurt to publish such confessions in all mass media for general use, as devastating articles about "pseudo-scientists" are printed, and not secretly and for their own use. Will be relatively fair yes
            Quote: Luga
            Prove your hypothesis in accordance with the criteria accepted and verified by science, and not “conspiracy theory” or other conspiracy theories and you will be a hero.

            Something it reminds me of .... what Parallels with exclusivity beg. You force everyone to play according to your rules and declare everything that is proved not by these rules to be “pseudoscientific” ...
            When repairing a street in Rostov, they removed a layer of soil (sand), found human remains in various places and in different poses to a depth of one meter. Scientists immediately declared them to be thousands of years of burial, because by all the rules there cannot be, for example, people who died as a result of a thread of natural disaster much later, because this is not indicated anywhere in the annals, although the nature of the soil (sand, clay, without any cultural layers) and unnatural positions of bodies deny the interpretation of burials ....
            That is why I personally adhere to my opinion on history, without denying historical science, but also not denying the so-called alternative history, for in many cases it explains what official science cannot explain (or explains in such a “logical” sequence) . The alternatives are wrong in something, but historians are also mistaken in many ways. But a heightened sense of justice does not allow you to positively perceive your version of what is happening ... Relatively, of course. Because you are right in some ways, and Fomenko with Morozov and Newton are right in some ...
            PS I belong to the Annunaki with Nibiru with a gorgeous dose of skepticism yes wink laughing
            Best regards hi
            1. Luga
              28 March 2018 22: 19
              0
              Meet me at the story list smile
              Sincerely.
              hi
          2. andj61
            andj61 29 March 2018 10: 05
            +3
            Quote: Luga
            To sweep away everything that has been done before you and not you, to declare that which contradicts your hypotheses with falsification without sufficient reason (where are the orders to conduct an audit of the annals fund, where are acts of destruction of documents, for that matter? No? Then, what falsification can is it a question?), this is an unscientific method. A.T. Fomenko does not know the methods of historical knowledge, although he perfectly knows the methods of mathematical knowledge. I would look at him if, for example, A.N. Kirpichnikov began to teach him mathematics.

            In many respects I agree with you. That's just even Fomenko talks about falsifying the history of DO Scaliger. - and this is somewhere until the 16-17th century. Then a science such as history did not exist, there were chronicles, biographies, diplomatic and everyday correspondence, and specially made biographies of various political figures. There was not even an exact date for the birth of Christ - it was this date that Scaliger and Pettavius ​​established. Christ's birth date was established using sciences in which Scaliger was a specialist - theology, astrology (!), numerology (!). He was supported by Rome - and over time, Scaliger’s chronology became generally accepted. In our country, it was actually introduced by Peter 1. His contemporary Newton argued with Scaliger, but his objections were not noticed by the church. Now this chronology is considered generally accepted - everyone agreed, it’s not disputed, but Scaliger’s arguments in favor of his opinion are not published anywhere. And this is understandable - from modern positions they do not withstand the slightest critical approach. hi
      2. _Krechet_
        _Krechet_ 29 March 2018 17: 12
        +1
        Thank you for chewing questions - although chewing a dummy was not necessary.
        1.
        Quote: Luga
        1. Is the simultaneous and rapid growth in the popularity of these pseudo-scientific, different in content, but always narrowly oriented, theories the consequence of the transition of society to a new stage of development or is it a consequence of ideological diversion in order to undermine the foundations of the state structure of the Russian Federation?

        I do not see the connection between what is quoted above and the academic work of the academician! In order to understand the lack of communication, you must use the Logic. And Logic tells us that until we have confirmation that what he has stated is false, we cannot talk about the author’s repentance.
        Indicate (it is possible with reference to large scientists) on errors in the methodology.
        This is done by people who are not inferior to Fomenko not in terms of intellectual development, not in authority in the scientific world - specialists in those areas where Fomenko managed to inherit: physicists, mathematicians, astronomers, linguists, and, of course, historians ..

        Even better, if you give links to the crushing reviews of his work from the RAS. All the same, there are experts of equal level.
        2.
        Are we not taking, to one degree or another, the provisions of these theories, along the path of modern Ukraine?

        Theories cannot be the foundation. That's why they are theories. Therefore, "accepting the theory" is stupid. The theory can be proved or disproved. In the first case, it ceases to be a theory and becomes knowledge, in the second - it becomes erroneous and remains in the past
  39. dst
    dst 28 March 2018 12: 50
    +7
    Very worthy, and smartest people. No matter how much I read criticism of their theory, no one can reasonably oppose something to them. All criticism is on the level, this cannot be because it cannot be, or I don’t know anything about it means lies. The story that is taught in schools in my opinion is a real fairy tale full of inconsistencies and myths, and their theory just explains and eliminates many inconsistencies. If someone thinks that it is so difficult to rewrite history, let him look today for how the history of Ukraine or World War II is being rewritten. Advice to the author, let him read the sources on which Fomenko and Nosovsky rely, and will analyze them himself.
    1. 135lm
      135lm 28 March 2018 20: 47
      +1
      That is the cunning * stronghold of Fomenkovism. The historian is not a mathematician. It is obviously difficult for him to refute the heaps of some calculations. Yes and will not do it. Why do nothing? Fomenki earn money on this. MONEY! But the scientist is not paid to fight them. Such charlatans are a complete Internet and Tiwi. You can’t argue with everyone. They go somewhere to the side, have their own gesheft at the expense of naive lovers of sensations and do not interfere with science either. You like? Pay and Verte
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 28 March 2018 21: 05
      +3
      Here is what I remember from criticism:
      1. Excavations of the cultural layer in Novgorod. Birch bark letters at a certain depth. Due to the growth of the cultural layer. They were specially enclosed there?
    3. victor50
      victor50 April 13 2018 12: 26
      0
      Yeah! All in a friendly world agreed and began to rewrite, and create, in confirmation of the dates proposed by Scaliger, all the documents again. The question is - why did the world need this?
  40. alavrin
    alavrin 28 March 2018 12: 51
    +3
    I have one of his first books, Methods of Statistical Analysis of Narrative Texts and Chronology Applications, published by the Moscow State University Publishing House in 1990. Then, there was still no mention of his cooperation with such a controversial character as Kasparov. In my opinion, this cooperation, in spite of many thousands of print runs, pretty much hurt him. In any case, I would first familiarize myself with the works of Fomenko, and would not operate on conventional cliches that were made by illiterate media workers.
  41. oleggun
    oleggun 28 March 2018 12: 54
    +3
    Nosovsky and Fomenko are geniuses. And YOU, who is the author of the article? What are you like?
  42. Curious
    Curious 28 March 2018 13: 28
    +8
    The author - "Bravo!". I applaud while standing. Stormy applause, turning into a standing ovation. Comments are characterized by the following verse.
    I’m going to neighbors in the toilet how to pour yeast,
    That g * will trample down, let the reins be pulled.
    But reins do not calm a stormy avalanche,
    In the crack I will watch and giggle in the back.
    The "toilet", filled with "Khomenkivites", "Klesovtsy" and other losers in life, seeking solace even in former greatness, began to boil to the fullest. Although I condemn the “drafts”, I will make an exception for this article. I’ll watch and giggle in the crack. By evening, it will be necessary to call up a cesspool.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 28 March 2018 13: 40
      +5
      Stormy applause, turning into a standing ovation. Comments are characterized by the following verse.

      I say, they put it in the wrong section. We will giggle together in unison. drinks
      I will join the message of the esteemed Mikhail Luga:
    2. Luga
      28 March 2018 14: 25
      +4
      Quote: Curious
      Author - "Bravo!". I applaud standing. Stormy applause, turning into a standing ovation.

      Thanks for your kind words.
      Quote: Curious
      Although I blame the "overthrow", but for this article I will make an exception.

      Here, honestly, did not want to make a draft.
      I wrote an article the day before yesterday in the gulp for two to two and a half hours. Only the title suggested was not the one that the moderators posted, but “Anatoly Timofeevich, maybe it's time to repent?”, That is, the last sentence in the article. I don’t like the version of the site - it’s too categorical and distracts attention from the main idea.
      For myself, I conclude - it is necessary to write more simply, to express thoughts concretely and extremely simply, for the overwhelming majority reacts to the wrapper, which is either too lazy or too difficult to deploy. It is surprising to me that the general discussion resulted in a showdown about Fomenko's rights and why they are right. An article about something else.
      1. Curious
        Curious 28 March 2018 14: 31
        +4
        Just through the efforts of certain comrades, an audience has been formed for which, in addition to the name, nothing is needed. The authors are comfortable. Today you write: "The incomprehensible genius of Fomenko." Seething turning into an eruption. Tomorrow you write: “Fomenko is sucked .... a satchel from history.” Stormy turbulence turning into a catastrophic eruption. A minimum of effort. And you don’t need to tear the soul, creating articles. Enough title.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 28 March 2018 15: 41
          +6
          I propose to pay Mikhail Luga Prize "For making an invaluable contribution to the fight against pseudoscience"! soldier ..... which he will deal with us "by correspondence." wink drinks
          1. Curious
            Curious 28 March 2018 18: 33
            +2
            And the honorary title of "Killer of hamsters".
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 28 March 2018 18: 36
              +1
              and what will be the Basurmanian "cartridge carrier"? or "Charger"? well, just in case .. you also deserve this award with your comments .. wink drinks
              1. Curious
                Curious 28 March 2018 20: 10
                +2
                Do you mean Turkish? In English - charger
                1. Luga
                  28 March 2018 20: 49
                  +2
                  Curious
                  Mikado
                  Good day today. Saturated. (c) Radio Day, Quartet I smile
                  Today I wanted to go with my son to the museum of religion, he had not been there yet, and I hadn’t looked in for a long time, and he was closed - Wednesday was a day off. And then the article was published, I was waiting for it tomorrow. Well, go racing, do not stop smile
                  Of course, I don’t draw on the hamster killer, sorry, but I’m honestly deserting the title of "yeast in the loo", although I didn’t want smile
                  "yeast in the loo, all they are is yeast in the loo ..."
                  Inspired. There was such a song, Kansas performer, if I'm not mistaken, "Dust in the Wind".
                  Thanks for the support. smile
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 28 March 2018 21: 54
                    +3
                    write, and you can count on us in the discussion!
                    Well, I went peddling, do not stop smile

                    mustache right! yes there is nothing to keep negativity in yourself, watching the apologists of pseudoscience. Some generally write frank nonsense, and become the so-called "forum marshals." hi everything, everything is right, Michael!
      2. DWG1905
        DWG1905 28 March 2018 22: 23
        +3
        The article is weak, not impressed. The writer (no offense) lacks knowledge in other areas.
        The new chronology lacks docking with changes in the physical and geographical conditions on the planet, but in simple climate (well, a little pole has moved). Those. when there’s nothing to eat that people are moving, which we are now observing.
        The opposition to nationalism is not successful, and here is an attempt to bring the time chain closer to reality?
        No tolerance.
        1. If about nationalism, if you serve your empire, you are your own, if not, then a stranger. With all the ensuing circumstances for strangers.
        2. Russia is the Horde; in Europe it is probably right that it is. If you read the works of the unforgettable Brzezinski and reflect on the slogan of the last sea. Due to physical and geographical conditions, the Central Eurasian Empire seeks to occupy the most convenient lines for defense along the shores of the seas and oceans and mountain ranges (which can be reached on foot, by horse or tank), and movement to the west reduces the length of the land part. Ie not that personal.
        3. It’s hard to understand who attacked anyone, too much snowstorm. The process of creating empires is a cyclical thing, now you can observe the intensification of the process of formation in Eurasia of the three empires Russia-China-India. With their zones of influence and groups of small countries that will run back and forth here. Europe is probably kirdyk (which is a pity), there is no will (mentality) to build a single state, and physical and geographical conditions will not allow it.
        4. The horde (empire) is a form of self-organization of the titular nation and of those peoples that feel comfortable in it and keeps on the vertical of power without any democracy. Otherwise, the neighbors will devour.
        5. Why, as a result of all the turmoil, the capital of the Horde ended up in Moscow, this is the subject of a comprehensive study with the participation of historians (well, where without them).
        Long ago, scientists explained to me that there are recognized theories, and there are correct ones. It may or may not coincide. But we will work with the bearers of the correct theories, and let the recognized ones rest on their laurels, we will carefully go round them. The goal is to study history, or rather the process of changing the world around us, to understand the past in order to predict the future.
        Yes, and the fact that the Germans wrote, I think, was an order to try to prove that we are not the Horde (for political reasons), and they dumped them on the Mongols (they are happy). The Germans were hired to be more convincing, but they didn’t really believe us. Therefore, let official historians work, their labor is suitable for export (inform war is in full swing), but do not fool your head.
  43. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 28 March 2018 13: 49
    +1
    I read both Fomenko and Petukhova ... Funny reading)))
    put in place, looking around: suddenly who saw that I was holding IT in my hands, I was ashamed
    Detsky garden, pants on a strap! He was ashamed! Then the question is - how is the author still familiar with the theories against which he sparks sparks here?
    And all the more it becomes scary when you see that all these pseudo-historical theories (Fomenko’s “New Chronology”, Klesov’s “DNA Genealogy”, other various theories developed by the authors more closely, such as the late Yuri Petukhov and his followers), they all come down to to this most primitive narrow-minded nationalism, they say, we Russians are the most
    The authors, merely to the best of their abilities, developed the thesis "We cannot understand Russia with our mind!"
    IMHO - some kind of custom article. What for?
  44. nafanal
    nafanal 28 March 2018 13: 54
    +3
    Well, for the first time and until Fomenko for three hundred years there were doubts about the correctness of the chronology. Dozens of scientists doubted its correctness. Even pillars like Isaac Newton in their works pointed to inconsistencies. D. Arsilla Momzen Baldauf. Yes, many. And our encyclopedist Morozov devoted his whole life this question. I have his five-volume Christ .. Do you really think that such people will fool their heads at the risk of their scientific reputation. To be honest, I myself have doubts - our civilization is much younger than it is attributed to. Humanity is developing too quickly. What is it not good
  45. Z_G_R
    Z_G_R 28 March 2018 14: 24
    +6
    I know that the article was conceived to raise other problems, but I would just notice from myself that we have too many artifacts that put an end to official history. Not even theories of a certain person, but simply objects, buildings that tell history lies to you =) And I don’t even take inconsistencies in history when, for example, in the midst of the Inquisition, one of the archbishops orders a statue of naked Greek heroes and by the gods.

    Just to think about:
    St. Isaac’s Cathedral, the Hermitage, the Pillar of Alexandria, the Babolov’s chalice, the king of the vase and so on ... If you think about how they were made, you will not find a rational answer. This is simply not possible with the technologies that were in the days when they were built or were created from the history of history. Historians tell of course, but with a detailed analysis it becomes clear that this is all nonsense. Just google for example a king-vase, how can this be done with a hammer and a chisel? No way.

    Monuments to figures of 16-19 centuries. who for some reason are dressed in Roman clothes (The Bronze Horseman, a monument to Suvorov, Minin and Pozharsky, a monument to Duke in Odessa and so on) Where does such love come from in Orthodox society for the ancient Roman style? Someone will say, it was just fashion, but excuse me, and why then the faces of these monuments do not correspond to the characters at all? The only thing that matches is the copper horseman, but, funny, it is known that they made his head separately. So let me, to whom are these monuments for real? And what do they do in northern Russia in general? In my opinion, they were stupidly taken and called in other people's names)

    Further, around the world, the same antique architecture of the 18-19th centuries. From New Zealand to South America, from Russia to Australia. We are told yes there was such a fashion. The colonialists built. But again, you begin to understand, no data on the construction except as "built." The colonialists fought with one hand, erected masterpieces with the other hand. Just google architecture such as South America in the 18-19th century, appreciate the scale and chic of buildings, and then think about how logistically it is possible to build in a war and remoteness from civilization.

    From the obvious, it’s several meters buried buildings. For example, check out the building of the Polytechnic Museum in Moscow. Yes, the same Hermitage is 2-3 meters in the ground. And this is again all over the world. Just look) We are told this is the cultural layer. However, there are engravings and paintings of the 18-19th centuries, where these buildings are already like that. It turns out that as soon as they were built, they immediately went a few meters into the ground. Here, some begin to object, they say, they built it like that, but again there are videos and photos of doors, for example, that open right into the ground. again inconsistencies.

    And this is only a small part of what is on the surface, and you are about Nosovsky and Fomenko) They are great, they make us think what really happened to us before. The school matrix does not allow people to see and understand what really surrounds us. Every day we pass by ancient artifacts and do not even understand what we are going by) Also in politics, we see only what we are told to see.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 28 March 2018 19: 30
      +2
      Here I am about the same !!!!! People simply want to find adequate answers to simple questions, which is why there is a mass of what historians immediately declared heresy request
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 28 March 2018 21: 09
      +1
      And you go to Damascus to the old temple - you have to go down.
      Most of the old botanical gardens are located in the "valley" - the cultural layer is growing around.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 29 March 2018 07: 46
        0
        As I understand it, there are people who are not familiar with the phrase “a hut (huts) that have grown into the ground through a window”, which is often found in classical Russian literature. In order to understand why the stone houses “grew” take off, you don’t need to watch youtub videos about “great civilization” in the place of Peter — you just need to “turn on the brain” and think that heavy stone buildings with a narrow foundation (also heavy) insufficient bearing capacity, without proper pile reinforcement, they simply plunged into the soft marshy soil, on which Petersburg stands (and not only it). As for the ancient Roman clothes on the monuments, this is the case, the fashion was such a craze for Rome and Russia was called in "circles" as the Third Rome (didn’t they know?), Hence all the heroes were portrayed monumentally in Roman clothes to emphasize belonging to the empire and depersonalize "time" type "heroes for ages." Take scientific and applied books published in the 18-19 centuries there are all illustrations framed by "artistic frames" which depict characters or scenes from biblical and Roman history. There is a lot of literature on the canons of fine art at different times — they are on the Internet, read and understand why sculptures and portraits are almost always “not like the original” and why they are not “weirdly dressed”.
  46. Dashing
    Dashing 28 March 2018 14: 36
    +4
    “Already in 1970, Anatoly successfully defended his dissertation, and in 1972 a doctorate. A brilliant scientific career. Soon he became a professor, head of the department, a corresponding member, and then a full member of the Russian Academy of Sciences in the department of mathematics. Proceedings of Anatoly, now already Anatoly Timofeevich, translated into many languages, published in dozens of countries. "
    Dear author, judging by your text, Fomenko is practically a genius. A person who has proven everything to everyone and considers it important for himself to take up this branch of knowledge. He did a lot of research and presented his view of history to the readers. What's wrong with that, Mr. Author. You do not repent, call up, and roll up your sleeves and break up an adversary-mathematician in an honest scientific dispute, present your reasons, make you applaud! You are still using the name Shiklgruber incorrectly. Hitler he was by birth - Hitler. And with such knowledge they managed to roll on the academician. It turns out to be solid, right in the words of my grandmother: "Where are you with the cloth snout and in the elite row?"
  47. Dick
    Dick 28 March 2018 14: 47
    +5
    The author Mikhail Luzhsky himself is a pseudoscientist, my opinion. Therefore, it is against the truth revealed by Fomenko and Nosovsky. Our entire history is isolgan and distorted by the enemies of the Russian world and the Russian people. Even today, the West is misinterpreting recent history. What to say about the history of our long-standing? Who wrote her today? - Foreigners who do not know how to distinguish a balalaika from a samovar ... Afftor - "ON SOAP" !!!
  48. Parabelum
    Parabelum 28 March 2018 17: 13
    +2
    Quote: Mengad
    As they say: Without the past .. there is no future. Everyone has a story ... but not in Russia .. you don’t think this is suspicious eh?

    It’s strange, with classical History, there was a future from the time of Peter the Great, and then the bam has disappeared since 2000, and it is necessary to start a new history. What kind of nonsense? It’s just the opposite, while we are redrawing the past, we will lose our future. One fine day, leaning back in his chair, proudly looking at the huge Talmud of "The Most Correct History of Peerless Peoples", we are surprised to find that everyone actually sneezes deeply, what happened there in the dense forests of the Central Russian Upland. And the presence of superfood history does not contribute to the development of astronautics, robotics, astronomy, physics, etc.
    PS On Classical History and flew into space, and the satellite was launched and the normal country began to build ... and now, the story is not the same
  49. ver_
    ver_ 28 March 2018 17: 45
    0
    Quote: Humpty
    My attitude to Fomenko is that of a pike so that crucian carp would not doze off. Finds a lot of inconsistencies, contradictions in history. The feeling that where his theory is not too convincing, he frankly pulls an owl on the globe never leaves. His reference to the 1054 supernova in particular.

    ... 1152 - the birth of Prince Andrei Bogolyubsky - * revised edition 2 .. *
  50. Yuri Anatolyevich
    Yuri Anatolyevich 28 March 2018 17: 57
    +2
    the author of this custom article needs to get acquainted with Vitaly Sundakov, or in all seriousness to watch as many videos with his participation as possible. I am sure many doubts will disappear by themselves ...
    1. philosopher
      philosopher 28 March 2018 22: 45
      +2
      It is impossible to argue with ents. What has grown into the bark and the very wood of the brain cannot be reached without an ax ...
      The funny thing is that when they start scolding scientists digging up an unfavorable version of history, they immediately recall the late Zadornov, who, for the reason mentioned above, is no longer polite to say “as is” to his memory. Included his "film" "About the Prophetic Oleg." I searched the phrase: "... hut - means worn out". Turned off.
      But Sundakov whoever you want for the belt shut up. I have never seen him cornered. On his side only unshakable facts that even his opponents admit.