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Herbarium of freaks. Is Putin also to blame for him?

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There are situations in which to remain silent - this is just against conscience. And conscience now tells me that, despite the fact that Putin has something to blame, and specifically to create the system in which we exist, do not spit in the direction of spitting - then do not respect yourself.




The last days I have a clear understanding of the situation, that, tomorrow, it will rain bricks or gasp in my tsunami in Voronezh, He will definitely be guilty. The president.

Yes, I do not like him, I did not vote for him, a fact that I will not hide. But for what is observed today in the infosphere (and, all the more so, on the topic of Kemerovo) I have no other suitable word, except for “disgusting”.

And it is also alarming that frankly belolentochnye opponents shock connect to any situation. Against the garbage people came out on the road - here they are. They decided to demolish the tower in Yekaterinburg - they stand up to defend the unfinished century, Kemerovo - and here they are.

Disgusting, honestly. PR on events - okay. Fell, earn points to the Duma elections, to hell with you. On the blood - here you need to beat the muzzle in the blood.

Muzzle beat will not give, we will understand.

If you look at what the liberopashes say, you can see a clear plan on which they work. In principle, nothing surprising, cynicism rolls over. And so - everything is as usual.

I do not know who wrote this plan, but according to this plan, the following disgrace comes out: no one, except Putin, is to blame for what happened in the “Winter Cherry” shopping and entertainment center.

And nobody cares that the staff of the owner should have been people whose duties would include actions such as performance testing and preventive maintenance with fire extinguishing agents, alarms, replacement of fire extinguishers and other equipment according to the expiration date.

And, most importantly, they were obliged to conduct training of personnel in actions in case of fire. For the key to success lies precisely in the fact that everyone knows where he is running, what levers he pulls and presses buttons. Where are the keys to the fire escape and so on.

And there must be corresponding journals, where the signatures of those who have been instructed and those who instructed should be signed.

You will say (and you will be right) that you can draw a signature. Alas, yes. Apparently, this was the place to be.

But the fact is that for the time being all these responsible people are considered innocent in the liberoSMI. And, apparently, according to them in the case of criminal cases, terrible streams of tears will flow.

And vybeshivaet not close attention to all the people involved in this case. Yes, the switchmen have already “taken”, they will be interrogated and judged. But there is no doubt that those who are guilty of the reigning mess were that specific people who turned off the alarm did not bring the children out of the burning building, locked the doors of the halls, would not be punished.

And the level is not the same, and this eternal "the whole system needs to be changed." I do not remember who said, but the essence is this: without a hot pursuit, it is not necessary to look for the switchmen, they are not to blame either. Putin is to blame, and, naturally, the system created by him.

And specific people who did not purchase fire extinguishers on time, did not check the alarm systems and fire extinguishing and ventilation systems are not to blame.

Perhaps because 100% of their defenders do the same if they can. Yes, and screaming hysterically on the front pages: “Unhook people, they are doing something in this country! Above it is necessary to look above! "

Well, look.

We were told so much about the terrible corruption in the USSR and how everything was bad there. Excuse me, where is corruption less today? Where is it less than 1000% compared to stagnant times?

Yes, today's Soviet freedom would not have dreamed of a single Soviet functionary and in the sweetest dream. When they seek to get to work not for the sake of salary, but for the sake of cutting.

We look up, we look. And what's in there?

And there TASS 25 March says that "Winter Cherry" was not tested by fire supervision, because it is ... the object of a small business, in respect of which there are supervisory vacations. This was reported by TASS by the Chief State Fire Inspector of the Emergencies Ministry, Rinat Enikeev.

Shopping mall area 23 000 square meters - is it a small business? Okay, continue.

“The verification to control the elimination of previously identified violations was to be carried out in the 2016 year. But since this object belongs to a small business, the inspection could not be carried out due to supervisory holidays,” says Enikeev.

So Putin is to blame?

Yes, it was he who in 2015, signed the law on the introduction of supervisory holidays for small businesses.

The law established a three-year ban on the state control (supervision) and municipal control bodies to conduct scheduled inspections against small businesses. At the same time, the ban does not apply to persons who have committed gross violations of the legislation of the Russian Federation during the three previous years.

Need to remind about the ban? If one word - "nanyli." And first of all, because completely disarrayed officials from the fire brigade, the tax authorities, SES and others have already simply zazhralis to the state of "with fat rage."

I do not remember that Putin gave such a command. Managed themselves.

I now wonder how the owner of "Winter Cherry" Mr. Shtengelov managed his kiosk area 23 000 square. m. how a small business to push. And to whom he carried. And through whom. And how much the technical director of the shopping and entertainment center in 2016 put in an envelope for a representative of the Ministry of Emergency Situations.

The question is complex and to Mr. Tuleyev. He is the governor. A record number of years.

I doubt, honestly, in the involvement of Tuleyev. He is a very complex man, but ... What Aman Tuleyev did with Kemerovo was already told to me by the residents of the city.

Meanwhile, they were already screaming on TV. Even in the first. "Everyone must resign!"

Who's everyone? Governor Tuleyev? Prime Medvedev? President Putin?

Belobredyatina, to be honest.

This is a self-defense system of "successful effective managers" whose religion is corporate. A corporate religion also includes two cults: profit and irresponsibility. Well, or minimizing personal responsibility while maximizing personal profits, if intelligently.

Such a principle lives and flourishes. And it is precisely for him that any guilty person can be justified by the fact that at the top a priori are more guilty.

So what do we have?

Person responsible for the staff did not conduct training for employees in the event of a fire.

Well, what, in our country there are thousands of enterprises, where thousands of people like him do not conduct such classes. But it is not Putin who is to blame, but Putin. After all, if it is possible such an attitude to their duties. In addition, he is the president, which means he is responsible for everything.

Well, and heavy artillery: the authorities and thieves-officials are to blame for everything. Instructing did not hold Lenivtsev, but since tens of thousands of lazy people throughout Russia, is it to blame? That's right, Putin!

Dear, is it a bit too much? For one person?

Smells like crazy. Putin should close the garbage, revise the shopping center and so on? Spiderman is straight, not the president ...

Do you know how to call it? Infantilization!

When it seems to be adult uncles, who sit in good positions, and in general, lead such a life, that God grant us all, suddenly, in the event of an emergency, they start writing in expensive pants and calling for help from my mother.

Only mom will not help here. And I do not want to answer. Especially before their own, according to the laws, written for themselves.

And thank God, there is Putin. We bring everything to him.

Some kind of sect or religion, yes?

But it was all a long time ago. When everything incomprehensible was deified and explained by God. But we still have different times in the yard.

Although yes, in Ukraine all the evil of the world is explained by Putin’s actions - and nothing. They live.

But in Ukraine today it looks very sad. Our turn?

Or somehow break it all and start to WORK for real? Without regard to Putin?

And yes, envelopes for bureaucrats ... I repeat, I don’t know how many were in the envelope of the 2016 sample of the year, too frankly the infantile mumbled gentlemen from the Emergencies Ministry about the check. Whether it was, or was not.

But the 64 plastic bag with the bodies is the price of that envelope.

In my opinion, the price is too high. But - paid.

Russia, how are you? You pay further or think?
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 27 March 2018 05: 26
    +65
    In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything! And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 05: 29
      +52
      Do you know the word "demagoguery"?
      It is for you in this case request
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 March 2018 05: 31
        +41
        Have you heard about discipline and responsibility? Or on the principle of "And so it will do"
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 05: 45
          +37
          You, when you have a flat tire, do you change the motor? Or just the whole machine - to the scrap?
          I mean, what you need to repair is exactly what you need, and not what "lies closer."
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Have you heard about discipline and responsibility?

          Again Dima with Gogia ... I heard, and not only. What `s next?
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Or on the principle of "And so it will do"

          I, daragoy, have been sitting since two nights and watching how the data flies in the system for which I am responsible. Because they used to fly very crooked before, and I corrected it just recently. And now you need to make sure that you are not mistaken anywhere.
          It’s up to you to decide whether it’s right, or how it’s necessary. wink
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 27 March 2018 05: 57
            +32
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            the machine - to the scrap?

            Your message is generally incomprehensible! I'm talking about the organization of the service, and not about replacing the wheels.
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            I heard, and not only

            Apparently they only heard ... The charters and instructions were written for the smart, for others only crosses grow in cemeteries ...
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            it'll do

            For me it does not exist. It was cleaned from me as a child.
            So I’ve worked as a “darago” all my life according to the Charter, the Instructions and the Rules. And I see any "cant" from afar. hi
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            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 07: 00
              +23
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              I'm talking about organizing a service, not about replacing wheels.

              Well, you’re right, you won’t get any logical answers from Kisa, and Kashchenko wouldn’t figure out his analogies. laughing
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 27 March 2018 07: 03
                +16
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                logical answers

                And here I agree with you! drinks
                1. Mikhail3
                  Mikhail3 27 March 2018 10: 03
                  +35
                  And I agree. Ready to give a logical answer. In the morning I watched the president analyze the situation. He looked and almost cried. Our president said the following: what about the owner? The owner leased everything. The rest should be done by "special people" ...
                  I voted for him. And he says that the owner should not provide and should not be responsible for the building that he rents out to others. What does it mean?! The main building systems are owned by the owner, and the structures owned by the owner operate them. And they are also responsible for them, it is for this that the rent is paid!
                  And my president impudently takes out the main culprit from the attack on the grounds that he is the owner, contrary to logic, common sense and laws. This is just awful, people.
                  1. For example
                    For example 27 March 2018 10: 35
                    +15
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    The main building systems are owned by the owner, and the structures owned by the owner operate them.

                    The absence of facts (lack of knowledge) multiplied by emotions gives rise to stupidity:
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    And my president impudently takes out from under attack the main culprit on the grounds that he is the owner, contrary to logic, common sense and laws. This is just awful, people.

                    In London, the perpetrator was immediately appointed. Just like you are now. wink
                  2. Ural resident
                    Ural resident 27 March 2018 10: 38
                    +22
                    The owner should not answer. We have the owner of the land on which the house stands, the owner of the house is another owner, and a third-party organization works in the house, which should also provide maintenance and security. Guilty director of the tenant, this is his direct responsibility.
                    If you rent an apartment, and the residents have caused a flood or fire and damaged your neighbors, will you consider yourself guilty? If they let it in illegally, then yes, but if it is under a lease agreement, then the residents will reimburse everything because they have not kept track of it.
                    1. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 27 March 2018 13: 54
                      +6
                      Quote: Resident of the Urals
                      If you hand over an apartment, and the residents made a flood or fire and damaged their neighbors - will you consider yourself guilty?

                      And if the flood occurred because of a BROKEN pipe (crane) in the apartment YOU rented, then ..... the tenant is to blame? ! belay
                      1. svd-xnumx
                        svd-xnumx 27 March 2018 20: 03
                        +4
                        And if the flood occurred because of a BROKEN pipe (crane) in the apartment YOU rented, then ..... the tenant is to blame? !
                        If you let tenants into an apartment with working plumbing, and they decided to have non-traditional sex with your faucet or to make a fire on the floor? So in Kemerovo, the owner of the building could rent out a building with a working fire alarm and a well-thought-out evacuation system, and then an "uncle" came and locked the doors to the cinema with children.
                    2. Oleko
                      Oleko 30 March 2018 06: 01
                      +2
                      Quote: Resident of the Urals
                      The owner should not answer. We have the owner of the land on which the house stands, the owner of the house is another owner, and a third-party organization works in the house, which should also provide maintenance and security. The director of the tenant organization is guilty, this is his direct responsibility. If you rent an apartment, and the tenants set up a flood or fire and damage your neighbors, will you consider yourself guilty? If they let it in illegally, then yes, but if it is under a lease, the tenants will reimburse everything, because they did not keep track of

                      It’s one thing - a house rented out to tenants, and another - KRK. My wife and I designed an electrician for a cultural and entertainment complex. The CRC included children's rooms, restaurants with various types of cuisine. So, there were tenants, but the chief engineer of the KRK was responsible for the fire fighting, electrics, air conditioning. The tenant does not have a person in charge of all equipment, electrics, etc. There is already a version that the fire occurred due to the fault of the cable between the 3rd and 4th floor. If so, they will check the electrical project, where and how the examination was conducted, whether the operating current was calculated correctly, how the installation was carried out and much more.
                  3. KAV
                    KAV 27 March 2018 13: 17
                    +10
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    And he says that the owner should not provide and should not be responsible for the building that he rents out to others. What does it mean?!

                    Learn to understand if you are at least content with learning the basics of law. The owner is the one who gave the money for the building. The owner has a manager, read the director. According to the charter, the director is responsible for all actions of the enterprise. Here's who to ask! And not from the owner, just because he owns this building. Another question is if the director complied with the owner’s instructions in terms of giving bribes for successful checks, etc. But, then again, a question for the director, first of all, because he deliberately went to criminal acts, which entailed such terrible consequences. Of course, there not only the director must answer, but all the people along the criminal chain. But, here it is already necessary to understand the investigation.
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    And my president impudently takes out the main culprit from the attack on the grounds that he is the owner, contrary to logic, common sense and laws.

                    About logic and laws, I just explained everything to you in brief. If this is not enough for you, then a more detailed explanation will not be enough.
                    1. Mikhail3
                      Mikhail3 27 March 2018 13: 40
                      +18
                      Thank. I am happy that I have so clearly explained. But I would like more, more explanation! For example, such. We were told that the USSR ruled inefficiently. But the effective owner will take everything into their own hands, and then management will be excellent!
                      And so the owner came. And we see that he is the building that belongs to him, and it is he who brings profit, drowning burning children. To whom does the building give money? To the owner! And who answers if people died in the building?
                      Here I am, such a mug, for some reason I think that if the profit is yours, then your responsibility is also yours. But no. And here I am a sucker, right? Not at all who thrives and lives on property must answer if property has killed someone.
                      No, if my car was stolen, and someone moved on this car, then I will be to blame for the law. I am the owner, and I did not provide proper protection to the hazardous facility. But if I had the money for free life in Australia, then the law would look at the situation in a completely different way, right?
                      We have built a wonderful life. Great laws passed. Our life is beautiful. Well, roar there in a little quieter corner! Just think, someone burned out there! There is nothing to overshadow the wonderful life of irresponsible profit recipients!
                      1. KAV
                        KAV 27 March 2018 15: 29
                        +7
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        To whom does the building give money? To the owner! And who answers if people died in the building?

                        Yes, you understand a simple thing - it’s not Putin’s fault here, but the laws passed before him! The director of the enterprise, and the chief accountant in some cases are responsible for all violations and incidents. The owner cannot be attracted by law, except in cases with the proven direct participation of the owner in violation of the law.
                        Quote: Mikhail3
                        Here I am, such a mug, for some reason I think that if the profit is yours, then your responsibility is also yours.

                        OK. A simple example. You own a gold mine. You have a bunch of people working. One fine day, one of the employees decided to clean up all the gold mined for himself and killed a bunch of people at the same time. In this case, you, as the owner, will also assume that you are responsible for such an incident? Or is it someone lower? For example, the chief of security, who reported to you that everything is fine and well-functioning, but during the incident he couldn’t open the safe with weapons, due to corrosion of the lock?
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 27 March 2018 13: 47
                      +5
                      Quote: KAV
                      The owner is the one who gave the money for the building. The owner has a manager, read the director.

                      The owner is some kind Ltd.Ie legal a person established by one or more individuals. Which hires leadership.
                      Therefore, Mikhail has every right to talk about the owner (LLC, JSC)
                      How guilty the LLC owner or LLC tenant can only be said after examining the lease agreements, which indicate duties and the rights of the parties.
                      1. Serg65
                        Serg65 27 March 2018 14: 34
                        +8
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        How guilty the LLC owner or LLC 0 tenant can be said only after studying the lease agreements, which indicate the obligations and rights of the parties.

                        Olgovich, all that you wrote earlier in defense of your ward Michael 3 is all words and emotions! But your words I have quoted are the starting point of the conversation! I built the building and rent it to you and I’m absolutely equal to what you want to do in this building! Do you want to place a warehouse or open a shopping center? For God's sake! I rent you the walls with the roof, do you want a shopping center? Good! Equipment, aspiration, ventilation, a fire system is all yours, Olgovich, at the expense of the rent I can compensate you part of your costs for increasing the consumed power and water supply by a deferred payment, let's say for six months. How you organize the work of your shopping center is on your conscience! And if you look for the culprit in the thickness of the wallet, then for you, here is such a "story" .... the peasant Mitka was allocated 2 hectares of land, Mitka drank the little land for the joys! Who's guilty? Yes, of course the king of blood! On the fig, he gave Mitke 2 ha? hi
                      2. Mikhail3
                        Mikhail3 27 March 2018 14: 55
                        +9
                        Sorry, Andrey, I want to answer your opponent who called me “your ward,” but the site does not allow me to answer him directly. It is interesting that he does not answer ME, but answers you. Why did it happen?
                        So, Sergey. You have "built a building." You, here is a surprise, will not be able to pass it to anyone without the basic engineering systems. Since without PS, smoke removal, ventilation and other things, the building cannot be considered finished. They don’t hand over a semi-finished box to their uncle, understand?
                        But in something you are right - it may happen that the tenant assumes all responsibility for the operation of all building systems. But I’ve been engaged in security systems for almost thirty years, but I have never seen such a thing before. Maybe somewhere that exists. And here, and everywhere as a rule, the building is operated by the owner’s structures. This is correct and logical - the building belongs to the owner. And he makes sure that it functions as it should, and that the tenants do not spoil it. For which he receives good money. Moreover, the shopping center is extremely rare someone rents the whole. As a rule, there are many tenants, and kioskers will not use the smoke exhaust system ...
                        But even so, let the tenant take over the entire operation. Who is responsible for ensuring the security of these systems? Who is responsible for the constructed building, flaming insulation and so on? And most importantly, the fact that you are making a profit from a project does not mean that you are responsible for this project? Yes? Money to you, but pain to others? Please answer, not about the design of LLC you are asked ...
                      3. KAV
                        KAV 27 March 2018 15: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        The owner is some kind of LLC, i.e. legal entity established by one or more individuals. Which hires leadership.

                        What ??? The owner may be like privateAnd legal face. Yes, at least CJSC, at least PAO, at least LLC. No difference.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Therefore, Mikhail has every right to talk about the owner (LLC, JSC)

                        Yes, but here we are talking about a specific person.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        How guilty the LLC owner or LLC 0 tenant can be said only after studying the lease agreements, which indicate the obligations and rights of the parties.

                        And here I completely agree.
                  4. Zheleznostop
                    Zheleznostop 27 March 2018 17: 17
                    +4
                    Just a moment. If I rent a hectare of land, the tenant signed all the relevant agreements and papers, but for example, I left at least for a stone, at least for a cordon, it doesn’t matter. And in my absence, the tenant grew opium poppy instead of beetroot, will I also answer?
                  5. Ragoz
                    Ragoz 27 March 2018 17: 35
                    +1
                    Michael3:
                    "... I voted for Putin ..."
                    I am completely condolences and worried about the tragedy in Kemerovo, but I would like to ask a question. How many percent of citizens voted for Putin? Tell them thanks for all the previous years and the present.
                  6. SOF
                    SOF 28 March 2018 06: 33
                    +3
                    Quote: Mikhail3
                    And my president impudently takes out the main culprit from the attack on the grounds that he is the owner, contrary to logic, common sense and laws. It's just awful people

                    ... but to think about what was said does not work? Who is his owner? Swat brother brother? Who is he blocking there? What are you talking about, damn it?
                    ... IN RUSSIAN it was said that the official who committed the mess is the primary responsibility. And the owners, such, across the country a cloud. Chasing after everyone - do not catch anyone ....
                    ... what kind of affection went NOT TO LISTEN, DO NOT HEAR and DO NOT THINK ????
                    ... who are we turning into? - in mattresses that use monosyllabic phrases to bring information ???
                  7. Santjaga_Garka
                    Santjaga_Garka 30 March 2018 15: 36
                    0
                    Well, there is the State Plant, the owner of the state, a fire occurred due to the fault of the person responsible for the PPB, who is to blame? State? Or is it that specific people on the ground? Director, fire safety, others involved, or is Putin again, as head of state?

                    I do not remove the guilt from the owner, he is at least to blame for the fact that he hired the wrong people, yes. If he avoided investing in PPB - he is also to blame, I agree, if the lease stipulates his liability for BPB - then he is to blame, but where were the tenants? Why didn’t they track, do not press, did not move from this place? Lame Horse taught nothing?

                    He worked in a small company, moved to a new place - a semi-cluttered box - they fenced off themselves and designed a trading room and warehouse, organized a fire safety bureau, a fire inspector came, checked and issued instructions to us, and not to the owner, and we corrected him, not the owner, because people in the leased area are responsible WE.

                    Of course this is IMHO, your right to disagree.
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            4. Stanislas
              Stanislas 27 March 2018 14: 21
              +2
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              I'm talking about organizing a service, not about replacing wheels.
              You can’t say anything bad about all the services of the Ministry of Emergencies, but you need the president to be directly responsible for organizing the service of fire inspectors? Or not every president, but personally Putin?
            5. NEXUS
              NEXUS 27 March 2018 20: 45
              +9
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!

              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Do you know the word "demagoguery"?

              Why this barking, men?
              Children have not even been betrayed to the ground, but on all branches, Putin is to blame, then the governor, then someone else ...
              Do you really think that the parents of these children are interested in your dialogue? They are not even interested now, who will be responsible for this.
              THERE ARE SORRY, MEN! And you sit, talk ... about what?
              And it is also alarming that frankly belolentochnye opponents shock connect to any situation. Against the garbage people came out on the road - here they are. They decided to demolish the tower in Yekaterinburg - they stand up to defend the unfinished century, Kemerovo - and here they are.

              Activists ... dance on the bones of children. Patriots ... Ugh, an abomination.
          2. Click
            Click 27 March 2018 06: 58
            +9
            So why don't even the wheels change? request current in places front to back back to front? There were few tragedies!? And the conclusions have not been made! Right now they will be a bit sensitive, but the cart will remain there! hi
          3. Gardamir
            Gardamir 27 March 2018 07: 51
            +15
            you have a flat tire, do you change the motor?
            By the way, a good example is how many such flat tires are, for example, Chubais, but the driver believes that the car is driving and will never change anything. In the Kemerovo case, the guilty screw was already found, the guard turned off the alarm.
            1. gaura
              gaura 27 March 2018 10: 54
              +8
              But for some reason, Putin is personally to blame. The cat left the kittens - Putin is to blame, if it's a little short ... well, you understand. But it would seem, well, the guards didn’t even approximately fulfill their duties, drove people away, didn’t help them evacuate, but interfered. The doors are closed, but they will not be punished.
              But Putin didn’t set Chubais; he cannot remove it. Or do you think he decides everything?
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 27 March 2018 14: 46
                +9
                Putin personally
                Firstly, Putin personally joined the Crimea? Many have noticed Putin is only responsible for what can be called positive.
                Secondly, you can scold any number of past rulers as much as you like, but the current one does exclusively good.
                1. gaura
                  gaura 27 March 2018 15: 29
                  +1
                  What does the Crimea have to do with it? I very specifically blame the guards who turned off the signaling, interfered with the evacuation, and should have helped
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 27 March 2018 15: 51
                    0
                    specifically blame the guards
                    Well, who else to blame?
                    1. gaura
                      gaura 28 March 2018 09: 10
                      +1
                      Right Change Putin to Pupkin and everything will work out. Businessmen will stop violating fire regulations, people will thump and beat their wives and children, and most importantly, a cat will abandon kittens more. Already these your stories are uninteresting
                2. kush62
                  kush62 27 March 2018 18: 27
                  +3
                  Gardamir Today, 14:46 ↑ New
                  Putin personally
                  Firstly, Putin personally joined the Crimea? Many have noticed Putin is only responsible for what can be called positive.

                  Indicate the link where Putin says that he joined Crimea. In all appearances, he indicates that the people of Crimea voted. Not tired of doing the transfusion from empty to empty. The irreconcilable opponent of Putin. During Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, etc. there were a bunch of toadies attributing all the merits to the Leader of the state. Such are and will be under any authority.
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 27 March 2018 18: 39
                    +1
                    where is Putin talking
                    Putin does not enter VO. But here, many speak of the sinlessness of the main. He has no shortcomings.
                    1. kush62
                      kush62 27 March 2018 19: 28
                      +2
                      Gardamir Today, 18:39 ↑
                      where is Putin talking
                      Putin does not enter VO. But here, many speak of the sinlessness of the main. He has no shortcomings.

                      Everyone has disadvantages. Many say, or Putin himself says. A big difference .
                      1. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 27 March 2018 20: 20
                        +2
                        A big difference
                        Yes there is no difference. I wrote a comment, one troll, led into the forest, the other somewhere else. What do you need? Learn the truth or chat (roll)?
                3. Goodwin
                  Goodwin 27 March 2018 20: 19
                  +1
                  Such a coincidence of a chain of negligence at different levels can occur under any ruler, which unfortunately happens. There is such a concept as "Russian maybe" and one has to admit that it will not be possible to eradicate this for a long time. No president will force you not to drink while driving, not to sleep on duty, to remove icicles from roofs in time. It all depends on a specific person in a particular place. And every day every one of us is faced with any disorder, and someone himself hopes for a chance. So I suggest that everyone first of all be responsible in their place and not give up on any noticed shortcomings. It seems to be trite, but then it hurts a lot.
            2. Santjaga_Garka
              Santjaga_Garka 30 March 2018 15: 43
              0
              The "driver" is also not omnipotent, if THIS "engine" should be "on the passport", then you just won’t put another one ...

              You just think like children, since we do not like in the USA - there is no open lobby, officials take bribes unofficially, and oligarchs tend to shade, so our president, unlike his colleague from the USA, has absolute power? No, it is also limited, even if not by law - all the same, the State Duma and the Federation Council cannot fart against Putin, but behind the scenes their own lives are made and decisions are made there, and there the president’s power is not so universal ...
          4. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 05
            +4
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            You, when you have a flat tire, do you change the motor? Or just the whole machine - to the scrap?
            I mean, what you need to repair is exactly what you need, and not what "lies closer."
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Have you heard about discipline and responsibility?

            Again Dima with Gogia ... I heard, and not only. What `s next?
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Or on the principle of "And so it will do"

            I, daragoy, have been sitting since two nights and watching how the data flies in the system for which I am responsible. Because they used to fly very crooked before, and I corrected it just recently. And now you need to make sure that you are not mistaken anywhere.
            It’s up to you to decide whether it’s right, or how it’s necessary. wink

            If the wheels are lowered often, it’s time to remember the driver! wink A golovan?
          5. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 27 March 2018 19: 40
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            You, when you have a flat tire, do you change the motor? Or just the whole machine - to the scrap?

            Well, some people will change the motor. They reminded us that we had such crap, they told one stupid guard that that guy right now, the motor would be lucky out of the gate. Well, he was delighted, Zaporozhets slows down,
            - Open the trunk!
            A man gets out, starts to lift the trunk lid.
            - Why are you raising my hood, let's raise it from behind!
            He scratched his turnip, did not understand anything, he lifted the back cover.
            - Ahh, you drive the engine!
            - What are you, you fool, at I’m not taking him, at he carries me.
        2. Cheldon
          Cheldon 27 March 2018 09: 00
          +8
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Have you heard about discipline and responsibility? Or on the principle of "And so it will do"

          It comes to senility, when 2 fighters fight, get fired from the foreman, the duty officer in part to the battalion commander.
          1. naidas
            naidas 27 March 2018 11: 11
            +2
            Quote: Cheldon
            It comes to senility, when 2 fighters fight, get fired from the foreman, the duty officer on the part to the battalion commander

            And where is it? If we have a systemic person, they will put the worker, foreman, and the boss will be reprimanded or transferred. (Slavyanskiy Boulevard), well, if the private trader is sent to prison.
          2. dauria
            dauria 27 March 2018 11: 26
            +12
            It comes to senility, when 2 fighters fight, get fired from the foreman, the duty officer in part to the battalion commander.


            And they did it right. The next battalion commander "2 fighters" will be under the gaze from the comrade to sergeants.
            Dismiss Medvedev (or whoever was there in 2009 during a fire in Perm) the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations Shoigu - now the inspectors would walk along the line under the gaze of the entire higher structure. Right? Maybe not really. But this is the only right decision. And do not whine about justice - the minister is not sent to the chopping block, but only to retire. They will find another, and will be scared, and his subordinates will scare.
            1. Cheldon
              Cheldon 27 March 2018 11: 36
              +1
              Quote: dauria
              And they did it right. The next battalion commander "2 fighters" will be under the gaze from the comrade to sergeants.

              And how many soldiers were you subordinate to?
              1. dauria
                dauria 27 March 2018 11: 41
                +5
                And how many soldiers were you subordinate to?


                There were, do not worry. And for one they even slapped the "incomplete" when he managed to tear his ear in half about a thorn. And what do I have to do with it? And the officers were subordinate, "not lovers of a drink" and find adventure.
                I’ll say one thing - after an emergency, good “lyuli” are to all those to blame and to anybody they lead to better things. Conjugation and pity - to repeat the state of emergency.
                1. Cheldon
                  Cheldon 27 March 2018 13: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: dauria
                  after the emergency, good "lyuli" to all to blame

                  Well, so "lyuley" is the same! No one was fired! And the battalion commander had half a year before the demobilization. He was barely left, and the rest were fired.
                  Quote: dauria
                  Conjugation and pity - to repeat the state of emergency.

                  Yes sir! This is you in the very "hole", as they say.
            2. Victor N
              Victor N 27 March 2018 14: 15
              0
              “Finding another” is very difficult in reality, personnel must be appreciated, or you will be left without a competent team.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 07
                +2
                Quote: Victor N
                “Finding another” is very difficult in reality, personnel must be appreciated, or you will be left without a competent team.

                Do not repeat the stupidities of power! Ambitious people are everywhere and always. Those who cherish and cherish their originality and exclusivity, as a rule, are wretched in life.
              2. Ragoz
                Ragoz 27 March 2018 23: 30
                0
                Our country is ruled by a "magnificent team - wisdom, honor and conscience" of the last thirty years.
      2. Shurale
        Shurale 27 March 2018 10: 48
        +4
        God forbid, they will return the minus and you will find out who the demagogue is ...
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 13: 36
          +5
          Quote: Shurale
          God forbid, they will return the minus and you will find out who the demagogue is ...

          Mutually wink
      3. vlad.svargin
        vlad.svargin 27 March 2018 11: 23
        +5
        Golovan Jack (Roman)
        Do you know the word "demagoguery"?

        There are simple popular answers to your comment-
        Finnish proverb: “Because of a bad head, the whole body suffers.” Or our Russian: “A bad head does not give rest to your legs,” A bad master always has the tools to blame. (English last)
      4. Dashing
        Dashing 27 March 2018 12: 39
        0
        Bravo, Golovan Jack. Do not add, do not take.
      5. Vittt
        Vittt 8 May 2018 14: 57
        -1
        Demagogy is about you. For residents of the Unified State Examination and “Golovan Jack” - in ancient Greek, “demos” is a people, “Gogos” - to charm a people, sometimes to fool (Pashinyan).
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 27 March 2018 05: 56
      +8
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything! And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!

      So the scale is not comparable. I also voted against GDP, but I do not think that he is to blame. Why, then, does he have a bunch of assistants and deputies? Here it is necessary to ask from them. GDP said that one should not “nightmare” a business. But he did not forbid to control and direct.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 March 2018 06: 00
        +18
        Quote: BecmepH
        Why, then, does he have a bunch of assistants and deputies?

        That would be to find out!
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 27 March 2018 06: 16
          +36
          Our president does not really know what he is doing or what his press secretary says. And you are talking about deputies and assistants. hi
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 27 March 2018 19: 43
            +1
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            the president does not really know what he is doing and what his press secretary is saying

            But he does not speak. He drives a blizzard.
      2. free
        free 27 March 2018 09: 01
        +6
        Quote: BecmepH
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything! And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!

        So the scale is not comparable. I also voted against GDP, but I do not think that he is to blame. Why, then, does he have a bunch of assistants and deputies? Here it is necessary to ask from them. GDP said that one should not “nightmare” a business. But he did not forbid to control and direct.

        It’s true, but these assistants, like Be, are not legal, we can’t reach them.
      3. Shurale
        Shurale 27 March 2018 10: 51
        +16
        Stalin personally knew each director of the plant or factory, talked to them personally, found the time, although there was no Internet but the deputies ... You can’t organize it - get out.
        1. KAV
          KAV 27 March 2018 13: 37
          +3
          Quote: Shurale
          Stalin personally knew each director of the plant or factory, talked to them personally, found the time, although there was no Internet but the deputies ... You can’t organize it - get out.

          And can you provide information in numbers, how many factories and plants were under Stalin, and how many different firms and enterprises right up to IPs? Maybe you should fail?
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 17
            +8
            Well, you compared modern IP and factories under Stalin! Alexander is ... well, with a finger! laughing Modern IPs usually do not produce anything, unlike the factories under Stalin.
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 13: 48
          +9
          Quote: Shurale
          Stalin personally knew everyone factory or factory director, talked to them personally, found the time

          Brave if you please? fool
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 18
            +8
            smile Golovan, and the opponent is right! And you don’t even have any arguments!
          2. Vittt
            Vittt 29 May 2018 21: 10
            -1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Shurale
            Stalin personally knew everyone factory or factory director, talked to them personally, found the time

            Brave if you please? fool

            And again, Golovan Jack launched his anal club, being registered in 2017 and produced in the Generalissimo. Maybe, after all, the site will become normal-patriotic, as before, and not a troll-moron!
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 March 2018 14: 53
          +4
          Quote: Shurale
          Stalin personally knew each director of the plant or factory, talked to them personally, found the time, although there was no Internet but the deputies ... You can’t organize it - get out.

          Just do not need about the order in the IVS. Under Stalin, the director of one of the factories managed to surrender constructively sky-ready tanks to the army for years (he simply scored all the requirements for refinement), and even to conceal the failure to fulfill the plan, he persuaded the military representative to accept the vehicles that were not yet fully completed - "then we finish". What happened to him? Oooh ... he was terribly punished - he was appointed commissar.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 19
            +1
            wink And what is there in the suit of the Defense Ministry to Sukhoi? Do not tell me what the point is. And this is not the only case.
        4. kush62
          kush62 27 March 2018 18: 32
          +1
          Shurale (Shurale) Today, 10:51 ↑ New
          Stalin personally knew each director of the plant or factory, talked to them personally, found the time, although there was no Internet but the deputies ... You can’t organize it - get out.

          What . insulting Sobchak did not pass? laughing laughing laughing
          1. Shurale
            Shurale 29 March 2018 19: 26
            +1
            I voted for Grudinin, but of course you accused me of Iliotism, you can only vote for dog ... That already speaks about you quite clearly ...
        5. Santjaga_Garka
          Santjaga_Garka 30 March 2018 15: 56
          0
          List of built factories, factories, power plants, etc. from 1938 to 1941. 543 enterprises in 3 years, from large to small. And do you think Stalin had time to talk with all the leaders? Yes, he didn’t even know exactly what enterprises and where they were built - general reports by industry, no more (IMHO)

          Source: https://politikus.ru/articles/95330-spisok-postro
          ennyh-pri-staline-zavodov.html
          Politikus.ru
    3. Cxnumx
      Cxnumx 27 March 2018 05: 59
      +16
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything! And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!

      Well, you can continue to infinity. who appoints the captain, admiral? and him there too. who is the admiral? min.defence and him there too. Defense Ministry - President? and him there too. President - the people? and him there too. people created the Lord / Nature? and them there too. into this world, let's tear it - everyone is guilty.
      what I want to say: your example with a captain is appropriate up to a certain point. in the same way in this case.
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      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 March 2018 06: 10
        +12
        No one to blame! It burned itself!
        Only 64 people, children, lost their lives!
        That’s scary!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 06: 13
          +13
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          No one to blame! It burned itself!

          Did you come up with this yourself, or did someone tell you?
          1. amirbek
            amirbek 27 March 2018 12: 51
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Did you come up with this yourself, or did someone tell you?

            take a look - all of us from all sides have been overlaid with dangerous comfort ... here’s the gas for you (electricity) oh yes here’s some water and everything in one room apartment ... the matrix is ​​shorter .. but not everyone has golden hands or neighbors ... someone else can do it either with electricity or with a gas cylinder or with some water at the station ... even the queen lives in strains ... pissing that the avant-garde flies into her window –– you won’t do anything with such force majeure
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 17: 17
              +7
              Quote: Amirbek
              we were surrounded by dangerous comfort on all sides

              Horror horror !!!
              And as I had not guessed before ... I’ll go break the water supply, heating and completely tear off the wires. All.
          2. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 20
            +2
            This becomes apparent judging by the actions of the authorities.
        2. Cxnumx
          Cxnumx 27 March 2018 06: 36
          +10
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          No one to blame! It burned itself! Only 64 people, children, lost their lives! That’s scary!

          there are specific actions / inactions of specific people. for the actions / inaction of the subordinate bears only a fraction responsibility of his boss (of course, unless he explicitly ordered to do something illegal). even smaller share responsibility is the chief of the boss (excuse me for the tautology).
          In your opinion, for every failure to fulfill someone’s duties should they bear full responsibility all the way to the very top? or at the very top should personally check how an ordinary employee works x knows which company?
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 27 March 2018 06: 57
            +9
            No need to exaggerate! The share of responsibility lies with each official guilty of this tragedy.
            Putin flew to Kemerovo, it says something.
            1. Cxnumx
              Cxnumx 27 March 2018 07: 10
              +11
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              No need to exaggerate! The share of responsibility lies with each official guilty of this tragedy.

              Sorry, exaggeration is your example with a ship captain.
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Putin flew to Kemerovo, it says something.

              nothing about what the article is about. it is his duty as a normal president and person.
            2. Vladivostok1969
              Vladivostok1969 27 March 2018 10: 30
              +4
              Putin flew to Kemerovo to reassure people a little. To make a kind of lightning rod.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 21
                +2
                wink Some kind of fear and some kind of guilt ....
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 27 March 2018 17: 26
                  +4
                  andrej-shironov Today, 17:21
                   Kinda afraid and kinda guilty ....
                  andrej-shironov Today, 17:20 | Herbarium of freaks. Is Putin also to blame for it?
                  This becomes apparent judging by the actions of the authorities.
                  andrej-shironov Today, 17:19 | Herbarium of freaks. Is Putin also to blame for it?
                   And what is there in the suit of the Defense Ministry against Sukhoi? Do not tell me what the point is. And this is not the only case.
                  andrej-shironov Today, 17:18 | Herbarium of freaks. Is Putin also to blame for it?
                   Golovan, and the opponent is right! And you don’t even have any arguments!
                  andrej-shironov Today, 17:17 | Herbarium of freaks. Is Putin also to blame for it?
                  Well, you compared modern IP and factories under Stalin! Alexander is ... well, with a finger!  Modern IPs usually do not produce anything, unlike the factories under Stalin.

                  When God did not give reason ...
                  ... but the printer drove into a psychiatric hospital ....
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 18: 12
                    +4
                    laughing I squeezed a causal place for you ... The level of local propagandists is the same ... To offend the maximum.
                    1. Vladivostok1969
                      Vladivostok1969 28 March 2018 02: 02
                      +2
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov Yesterday, 01:12 ↑ New
                      laughing I squeezed a causal place for you ... The level of local propagandists is the same ... To offend the maximum.

                      And they simply have no other arguments. yes
        3. Shurale
          Shurale 27 March 2018 10: 53
          0
          They say that the real number is about 400.
          1. kush62
            kush62 27 March 2018 18: 35
            +2
            Shurale (Shurale) Today, 10:53 ↑ New
            They say that the real number is about 400.


            They say in Moscow hens are being milked. laughing
        4. Ascetic
          Ascetic 27 March 2018 11: 15
          +6
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          No one to blame! It burned itself!

          But my opinion was that it was a well-planned and organized terrorist attack, and the choice of object and time was clearly not accidental, given the mess in the security and safety system during the emergency. Moreover, the organizers are clearly not outsiders.

          This is confirmed by closed doors, strange behavior of security guards, disabled fire alarms, high burning temperature of an incomprehensible substance and its duration, periodicity of fire, which proves the number of bookmarks over the entire area of ​​the shopping center .. Let us recall the numerous fires after extinguishing the main fire.
          I remember a fire in the RIO shopping center in Moscow, where the wiring became the cause of smoke and fire, not everything worked there, people were blocked in the rooms, poisoned with carbon monoxide, everything is almost the same as in Vishnu and the building is the same, but there are no victims It was.

          People who were at the time of the fire in the cinema, learned about the evacuation by pure chance. A detailed story about this was posted on social networks by a user under the nickname pankova_sport.

          “I, my three children (daughters 15 and 7 years old, son 14 years old) and grandparents went to the cinema to the RIO shopping center on Dmitrovskoye Shosse. The session began at 17:05. My family and a fat lonely man with a full bucket of popcorn turned out to be in the VIP lounge. We are watching a film .... At 17:35 p.m. the plot began, a faint light came on ... lights around the perimeter of the ceiling, we, unsuspecting spectators, continued to watch an exciting film, heatedly discuss graphics and special effects. After 8-10 minutes, my patience snapped: the bulbs began to annoy - the 3D effect was erased. I got up and left the hall ... in the hope of finding an administrator and asking them to turn off the lights. There was no one near the door ... The light was turned off in the corridors ... There were no ordinary noisy visitors at the box office, which immediately alerted ... An excited girl walked quickly towards her ... A dark cloud of smoke was slowly approaching her, like in a movie .

          The administrator girl immediately disappeared ... and the youngest daughter slowly began to look for her sneakers under the chair ... Grabbing her hand, led everyone out of the chain. As we left the hall, we met another group of refugees as lost as we are. We stumbled upon a group of about ten at the exit from the cinema - adult men with small roaring children in their arms and nervous women, they ran out of that dark huge cloud with a pungent smell - the plastic and decoration of the shopping center were clearly burning. I was surprised that among us - visitors - there were no representatives of the shopping center, cinema, rescuers rushing to help us !.

          Therefore, it is difficult to believe in accidental fire or a hooligan arson
          1. jjj
            jjj 27 March 2018 11: 42
            +2
            Quote: Ascetic
            And here is my opinion, it was a well-planned and organized terrorist attack

            Totally agree with you. Such an event, after the people in Russia rallied, it was imperative that they happen in order for the disengagement of people to begin and an alarm in society to appear. The chain of facts is obvious sabotage. There is an informational pumping about hundreds of victims who are hidden. And yet - a rally in Kemerovo. Even the dead were not buried, but already rallied. This is a clear sign of an organized process.
            1. twviewer
              twviewer 27 March 2018 13: 07
              +5
              Hmm, but do not you think, dear gentlemen, that d_urak is more dangerous than the enemy? to take at least that Class I State Counselor of the Russian Federation that spoke about tax holidays for small and medium-sized businesses instead of a fire safety audit? And if they are not fools then who ??
          2. Artek
            Artek 27 March 2018 13: 40
            +2
            Quote: Ascetic
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            No one to blame! It burned itself!

            But my opinion was that it was a well-planned and organized terrorist attack, and the choice of object and time was clearly not accidental, given the mess in the security and safety system during the emergency. Moreover, the organizers are clearly not outsiders.

            This is confirmed by closed doors, strange behavior of security guards, disabled fire alarms, high burning temperature of an incomprehensible substance and its duration, periodicity of fire, which proves the number of bookmarks over the entire area of ​​the shopping center .. Let us recall the numerous fires after extinguishing the main fire.
            I remember a fire in the RIO shopping center in Moscow, where the wiring became the cause of smoke and fire, not everything worked there, people were blocked in the rooms, poisoned with carbon monoxide, everything is almost the same as in Vishnu and the building is the same, but there are no victims It was.

            People who were at the time of the fire in the cinema, learned about the evacuation by pure chance. A detailed story about this was posted on social networks by a user under the nickname pankova_sport.

            “I, my three children (daughters 15 and 7 years old, son 14 years old) and grandparents went to the cinema to the RIO shopping center on Dmitrovskoye Shosse. The session began at 17:05. My family and a fat lonely man with a full bucket of popcorn turned out to be in the VIP lounge. We are watching a film .... At 17:35 p.m. the plot began, a faint light came on ... lights around the perimeter of the ceiling, we, unsuspecting spectators, continued to watch an exciting film, heatedly discuss graphics and special effects. After 8-10 minutes, my patience snapped: the bulbs began to annoy - the 3D effect was erased. I got up and left the hall ... in the hope of finding an administrator and asking them to turn off the lights. There was no one near the door ... The light was turned off in the corridors ... There were no ordinary noisy visitors at the box office, which immediately alerted ... An excited girl walked quickly towards her ... A dark cloud of smoke was slowly approaching her, like in a movie .

            The administrator girl immediately disappeared ... and the youngest daughter slowly began to look for her sneakers under the chair ... Grabbing her hand, led everyone out of the chain. As we left the hall, we met another group of refugees as lost as we are. We stumbled upon a group of about ten at the exit from the cinema - adult men with small roaring children in their arms and nervous women, they ran out of that dark huge cloud with a pungent smell - the plastic and decoration of the shopping center were clearly burning. I was surprised that among us - visitors - there were no representatives of the shopping center, cinema, rescuers rushing to help us !.

            Therefore, it is difficult to believe in accidental fire or a hooligan arson


            not when Tu154 crashed with Aleksandrov’s ensemble, even though the plane collapsed in the air, as the wreckage says, the commission did not notice this and reached a verdict — the pilots were to blame.
    4. Artek
      Artek 27 March 2018 08: 02
      +28
      Well, since Skomorokhov was asked to do a social analysis, let's go. The most important thing is that there is no order in the country, Putin DOES NOT CONTROL the situation in the economy, does not control the situation in foreign policy. The only thing that controls Putin is elections, the maintenance of his regime by special services and so on. called "public opinion" by media propaganda forces.
      I already wrote that Putin does not keep his word when, for example, there is no doubling of GDP, one forumman slipped the data from Roskomstat to me, where Roskomstat says that the doubling happened, but even stroking our lying economy and poor people, it’s clear that the Roskomstat’s data is a lie .
      Putin has bred the thief oligarchs who earn money here throwing money to the west. And who started this order? Of course Putin.
      Does he care about his people? No, it turns out you don’t care about your people, but just talk about it, you don’t care about your economy, but just talk about it and everything will look outwardly safe. Putin's system is a system of lies, right? Well, what else can oligarchic capitalism be?
      Well, they asked you once.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 27 March 2018 09: 48
        +6
        Quote: Artek
        Those. Putin's system is a system of lies, right?

        No: from the wrong premises, the wrong conclusion.
        Quote: Artek
        and the so-called "public opinion" by the media propaganda forces.

        Now you can choose propaganda whatever-everything is available, including sharply anti-Putin But the people chose Putin. Again, the people you are not the one caught: all the "wanks and blind", yeah. fool .
        Quote: Artek
        Roskomstat data is a lie

        Yeah, only you are cutting the truth. lol
        By the way, according to your logic, in the conditions of "totalitarianism", your comments and other (anti-Putin) -not should have appeared, but their ....
        1. Artek
          Artek 27 March 2018 13: 42
          +6
          Quote: Olgovich
          Now you can choose any kind of propaganda — everything is available, including sharply anti-Putin. But the people chose Putin. Again, the people you are not the one caught: all the "wanks and blind" ag


          I think that the so-called "elections" have nothing to do with it, there were no elections and no one took people's opinion into account, but only the opinion of one person, you know which one.
      2. Cheldon
        Cheldon 27 March 2018 10: 19
        +4
        Quote: Artek
        Does he care about his people? No, it turns out you don’t care about your people, but just talk about it, you don’t care about your economy, but just talk about it and everything will look outwardly safe. Putin's system -it's a lie system, isn't it? Well, what else can oligarchic capitalism be?

        You seem to give your answer immediately to each question, that is. do you immediately cut off the dialogue? Have you heard about world crises (2008)?
        A bit of history In 2011, the American Financial Supervisory and Exchange Commission (SEC) filed a lawsuit against Goldman Sachs. She accused him of deceiving clients before the financial crisis, the bank simply simply sold unreliable securities to investors that were attached to mortgages with a high risk of no repayment. And also the US authorities suspected the bank of involvement in the 2008 financial crisis.

        http://maultalk.info/prichiny_krizisa/iz_istorii_
        krizisa / prezident_ssha_djordj_bush_vyrazil_sojale
        nie_chto_mirovoi_finansovyi_krizis_stoil_rabochih
        _mest_mnogim_lyudyam.html
        Announce your program, my dear. Become a symbol of the rebirth of Russia. Double, you, finally, this GDP. And all will bow low to you and say: "The earth gives birth to Russian geniuses. Little, but gives birth!"
        1. Artek
          Artek 27 March 2018 10: 43
          +10
          Quote: Cheldon
          You seem to give your answer immediately to each question, that is. do you immediately cut off the dialogue? Have you heard about world crises (2008)?


          where does the global crisis? it is necessary to answer for the bazaar, but some who do not answer.


          Quote: Cheldon
          A bit of history In 2011, the American Financial Supervisory and Exchange Commission (SEC) filed a lawsuit against Goldman Sachs. She accused him of deceiving clients before the financial crisis, the bank simply simply sold unreliable securities to investors that were attached to mortgages with a high risk of no repayment. And also the US authorities suspected the bank of involvement in the 2008 financial crisis.
          http://maultalk.info/prichiny_krizisa/iz_istorii_
          krizisa / prezident_ssha_djordj_bush_vyrazil_sojale
          nie_chto_mirovoi_finansovyi_krizis_stoil_rabochih
          _mest_mnogim_lyudyam.html


          What is it for? Layer of dirt?

          Quote: Cheldon
          Announce your program, my dear.

          my views coincide in many respects with the Grudinin program, nationalization, withdrawal from the WTO, dispossession of the oligarchs, establishing order with the cops and judges, financing of my ECONOMY AND SCIENCE.
          1. Cheldon
            Cheldon 27 March 2018 10: 57
            +4
            It’s clear where the legs grow from. I heard a similar conversation before the election: I have to choose Grudinin, he said he would raise his salary. The oligarchs have long had money in the West, in contrast to the situation of 1917, when there was something to expropriate.
            Quote: Artek
            establishing order with the cops and judges

            And you are that expert, cat. versed in everything? You specifically speak, and do not rush general phrases. What doesn’t suit you "with the cops" - you were fined for a drunken ride, and the judge stripped of your rights?
            1. Artek
              Artek 27 March 2018 11: 25
              +5
              Quote: Cheldon
              The oligarchs have long had money in the West, in contrast to the situation of 1917, when there was something to expropriate.


              hold the eggs in a vise and the oligarchs begin to give up. Ilya Muromets saw the film, as the Tsar, the tsar, earned a whole barrow of gold from his oligarchs, and here they will return even more.
              1. Cheldon
                Cheldon 27 March 2018 12: 10
                +7
                In Saudi Arabia, 100 lards from the arrested prince deflated. This is an example from our time. Your anger is understandable and did not arise from scratch. I voted for Putin more as the commander in chief than as an economist. This is an eternal Russian problem - where to get money and how to reduce their theft. In China, 10000 officials were shot and what, is the problem gone?
                Are controversial decisions made by our management? It is. But there is no need to undermine the situation. Questions need to be resolved evolutionarily. We already ate the revolutions. And the second chance will be reborn, I think, they will not give us.

                - The soul needs a holiday, a holiday! I have been waiting for him for a long time! (From Kalina Krasnaya)
                1. Artek
                  Artek 27 March 2018 12: 48
                  +10
                  Quote: Cheldon
                  I voted for Putin more as the commander in chief than as an economist.


                  here are questions too
                  -Why did Putin need a stool, why did he give him to court - this thief?
                  - where instant 35? tests have already ended
                  -where c350 promised by the end of 16g
                  -Where the second-stage engine, promised to start production by the end of 17g?
                  This zircon will not be?
                  - where in the end is the Russian computer?
                  and such questions to the Commander-in-Chief. However, the answer has long been there -NO MONEY. But during the dollar rain from 3-14g TRILIONS of dollars came to Russia, but Nothing was done.

                  Quote: Cheldon
                  In China, 10000 officials were shot and what, is the problem gone?


                  of course, you don’t know anything, the Chinese economy is almost FIRST in the world,
                  By 2030, Russia should become one of the poorest countries in the world - this is a forecast from the Ministry of Economic Development. In Russia, not only the economy is destroyed, but also fundamental, academic science and applied science. So we all vote for the existing stability.
                  The economist Boldyrev tells how we live well.
                  https://youtu.be/PG_DFTW2xSQ
                  Quote: Cheldon
                  Are controversial decisions made by our management? It is. But there is no need to undermine the situation.



                  Of course not, but we must wait another 18 years until Putin dies a natural death.
                  1. Cheldon
                    Cheldon 27 March 2018 13: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: Artek
                    by 2030, Russia should be among the poorest countries in the world

                    You don’t know what will happen tomorrow, but you swung at 2030-this is so, by the way.
                    https://Look, smile. Well, this is catching up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd3HV2ObjX0
                2. freddyk
                  freddyk 27 March 2018 12: 49
                  +5
                  in China, 10000 officials were shot and what, is the problem gone?

                  There every year they shoot so much, and in public. In their scale, not so much. But compared to Russia, there is no corruption in China. Compared to us, it is not even in Belarus, at least in the domestic sphere.
      3. stivev
        stivev 27 March 2018 12: 44
        0
        On the face of complete lack of logic
      4. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 24
        0
        smile Paul Bravo. You do not pay attention to local propagandists, they have such a job.
    5. oracul
      oracul 27 March 2018 08: 13
      +6
      It’s not funny for yourself? If we are talking about the fleet, then the head of the fleet is already responsible, but by the way, because on the ship, the captain is primarily responsible for everything. The captain of the ship is not comparable with the president of a huge country.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 March 2018 09: 07
        +12
        Of course not comparable. But nobody took responsibility for what was happening. Example: the schooner "Vostok-1" drowned, killing more than twenty people due to the incompetence of the captain - did not organize a splinter of ice, and indeed allowed icing. The result is no ship and fishermen.
        And the president has more responsibility a thousand times. He must organize the work of the state mechanism understandable and clear as a watch. And if he cannot do this, then he must leave, as the EBN, and when he left, he asked for forgiveness. That's what these parallels with the captain of the ship.
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      1. 210ox
        210ox 27 March 2018 10: 04
        +12
        Alexey (Cheldon) ... hi This rhyme is already nagging. Putin is responsible for the country and further down the ranking of governors, mayors ... But for any, in the end, he is responsible for EVERYTHING!
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 10: 11
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          ... for anyone in the end, he is responsible for EVERYTHING

          Pra-a-aavilno ...
          Only "responsible" in this case means "obliged to respond and take measures available to him."
          He accepts. If you do not notice this, then this is your problem, not Putin's.
          IMHO so yes
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 29
            +5
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: 210ox
            ... for anyone in the end, he is responsible for EVERYTHING

            Pra-a-aavilno ...
            Only "responsible" in this case means "obliged to respond and take measures available to him."
            He accepts. If you do not notice this, then this is your problem, not Putin's.
            IMHO so yes

            Golovan, did he take a lot of measures after Lame Horse? This kind of situation happens every year in Russia. The authorities are not taking any measures, well, except for organizing their election victory.
        2. Cheldon
          Cheldon 27 March 2018 10: 41
          +1
          Good. What are you offering? How in Syria, Libya or Ukraine to achieve the triumph of democracy?
          Quote: 210ox
          But for anyone in the end, he is responsible for EVERYTHING!

          Even for the guard who turned off the fire alarm button? Weak for 146 804 372 people to take responsibility?
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 27 March 2018 12: 16
            +5
            Personally, yes, but obviously the future president should have expected the full burden of responsibility.
            Why democracy at once? You can take the advice of Uncle Lenin and restore everyone’s beloved state
      2. AA17
        AA17 27 March 2018 10: 55
        +13
        Dear Cheldon (Alexey). The head of state is responsible for everything that happens in the country. Any successes and failures in the country are projected onto the president. As it is not logical, it turns out. Our Crimea is the merit of the president. The bridge across the Kerch Strait is the merit of the president. And why? He didn’t take part directly. His participation was in making the right decision. The President gave orders to his subordinates, who complied with his instructions. This is the role of any leader. The manager must make the right decision out of several options proposed to him. Similarly, in any failures and failures in the country there is an indirect guilt of the country's leadership, because at certain stages the wrong decisions were made.
        P.S. "Every accident has a name, surname and position." (People's Commissar of Railways Lazar Kaganovich.)
        1. Cheldon
          Cheldon 27 March 2018 11: 09
          +2
          Quote: AA17
          P.S. "Every accident has a name, surname and position." (People's Commissar of Railways Lazar Kaganovich.)

          And whose last name do you want to voice?
          Quote: AA17
          Similarly, in any failures and failures in the country there is an indirect guilt of the country's leadership, because at certain stages the wrong decisions were made.

          This is demagogy without specifics. We must ask questions, we must ask, this is our right.
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 27 March 2018 12: 17
            +10
            Specificity - an epic with the trial of Serdyukov and his subsequent placement in Rosnano
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 27 March 2018 18: 09
          +1
          Quote: AA17
          And why not?

          Victory has many fathers; defeat is always an orphan
    7. Bakht
      Bakht 27 March 2018 09: 41
      +5
      Absolutely correct remark. Yes, the captain is responsible for everything. Like the president. But there is a nuance. As the saying goes, "the devil is in the details." The captain on the ship is not elected. He is being appointed. And the president was elected by almost 80% of the population (crew). And this captain (president) has been steering the ship for almost 18 years. And he has a team (Medvedev, Gref, Nabiulina and other Kudrins).
      And now again - who is to blame?
      1. Cheldon
        Cheldon 27 March 2018 10: 43
        +3
        How is Ilham Aliyev doing?
        Quote: Bakht
        Absolutely correct remark. Yes, the captain is responsible for everything. Like the president. But there is a nuance. As the saying goes, "the devil is in the details." The captain on the ship is not elected. He is being appointed. And the president was elected by almost 80% of the population (crew). And this captain (president) has been steering the ship for almost 18 years. And he has a team (Medvedev, Gref, Nabiulina and other Kudrins).
        And now again - who is to blame?

        How is Ilham Aliyev doing?
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 27 March 2018 15: 06
          +2
          Well doing. The standard trick is not to talk about what is being discussed.
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 31
        +1
        Quote: Bakht
        Absolutely correct remark. Yes, the captain is responsible for everything. Like the president. But there is a nuance. As the saying goes, "the devil is in the details." The captain on the ship is not elected. He is being appointed. And the president was elected by almost 80% of the population (crew). And this captain (president) has been steering the ship for almost 18 years. And he has a team (Medvedev, Gref, Nabiulina and other Kudrins).
        And now again - who is to blame?

        Dap lope percent elected him? We have 107 million voters. God willing, 54% voted for Putin. Where is 80%?
    8. Opera
      Opera 27 March 2018 10: 07
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything! And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!

      Well, if you compare the country with the fleet or a single ship, and for sloppiness or just negligence or outright sabotage (as in your case) regarding the captain, 2% of the crew members should be appointed guilty of the captain himself, then probably to avoid this the captain should take immediate tough measures! Just write off is not serious! It will not make a proper impression on the remaining crew (about how they spat on the captain in the back, and he wrote them all off ... Slack!). So if the captain is to blame for everything, and the saboteurs openly decompose the command, there is only one way out - you have to hang it! It’s right in the yard and to have fun ... Well, if you say that the captain is responsible for any nonsense! Not a senior assistant, not other officers, not a midshipman or even a boatswain, not a military registration and enlistment office, not a school and not mom and dad, but a captain ... That’s of course to hang up! Then at least half of the 2% wiser up instantly! And certainly I’ll think about whether it’s worthwhile to write all kinds of crap about the captain on the Internet in your free and non-free time on duty!
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 March 2018 12: 11
        +5
        If the captain could not organize the service on the ship, then the captain is written off, not the crew.
        1. Opera
          Opera 27 March 2018 12: 56
          +3
          And who evaluates the actions of the captain and determines his future fate ?! Crew?! Maybe if you are a schooner of Somali pirates! There are other laws on the warship, if you really like to draw marine analogies.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 27 March 2018 13: 11
            +3
            Well, not the sailors ... Whoever put the captain takes him off!
            1. Opera
              Opera 27 March 2018 13: 38
              +1
              Here I am about that - the country is not a ship!
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 27 March 2018 14: 11
                +3
                According to your considerations, there is no need to answer for anything, let alone demand. Somali pirates are a model of discipline!
        2. Bakht
          Bakht 27 March 2018 15: 11
          +2
          True ... As stated in our youth
          "The fish rots from the head. But they clean it from the tail."
          The topic is correct. The eternal question in Russia. "Who's guilty?" And "What to do?" The captain is to blame. This is unambiguous. But since the captain was not appointed, but elected, everyone was to blame. What to do? The answer is known. But the literature is such an interesting thing that all the questions have the answer: "The horses at the crossing do not change."
          As long as you have partners in the West, then nothing can be done. Until the team has changed, then nothing will be done. Putin now has a carte blanche of 80%. Will it take advantage or not? I accept bets. My prediction is that it will not take advantage.
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 27 March 2018 15: 46
            +3
            "The horses at the crossing do not change."
            As a child, I liked the American movie "Drive Horses Shoot, Don't They?"
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      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 March 2018 12: 13
        +6
        Captain: I cheated, I caught, I passed!
        AND.....WE ran aground!
    10. Mih1974
      Mih1974 27 March 2018 11: 25
      +14
      Here fiercely "plus" it is precisely Putin who created the system of "we don’t surrender ours!" negative Who needs to remind Serdyukov, Vasilyev, and about scum, chubby am am already no censorship words (yes, I'm afraid finally banned). Who should recall the "fish rots from the head"?
      And now let's look at the situation “from the outside”: who “squeezed” the cost and construction and maintenance costs, which then resulted in “labyrinths” and idle systems and mandatory “no checks” for this, who is the “spider” sitting in the center and under whose influence has all of the following broken the laws? am And the answer is simple - this is clearly the next oligarch or "master of the city." And we all perfectly understand that just such “masters” and oligarchs are UNJUDGED. And I'm not talking about the fiction of Vasilyeva’s conviction or the real terms for Belov or Kharoshavin.
      But what is there to go far - the "poor" Zakharchenko, well, I’m tired of tons of carrying cash in the hole, how many times they have already planted and said - where and who are those for whom they "worked" with whom it was share, which it was loot and WHAT is it for? After all, just the same they "gave" money, which means - for violations or crimes !! It means that someone was "forgiven" or someone covered up their crimes. Here, here and where is the investigation of just these crimes and violations, where is the landing of the whole gang?
      And let someone here try to tell us “Putin does not deal with such trifles,” but does not deal with trifles - but did they lick the above-mentioned famous ones by order or “tacit consent”?
    11. netmag
      netmag 27 March 2018 13: 10
      +2
      To be honest, your analogy is not entirely clear. If an emergency occurred on the ship, the captain is guilty. Those. the ship is the shopping center, and the captain is the owner of the shopping center. Correctly? Or did you mean that if a fire occurs on any military vessel, then the Navy Commander will immediately resign?
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 March 2018 14: 24
        +1
        If the boatswain’s sleeves are burnt, then no one flies, and if the ship burns, and with human casualties, then many midshipmen must fly off.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 27 March 2018 15: 16
          +2
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          If the boatswain’s sleeves are burnt, then no one flies, and if the ship burns, and with human casualties, then many midshipmen must fly off.

          Quote: Uncle Lee
          A competent and competent captain for 18 years will cope with thieves and any shobla and make the team work.

          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Captain: I cheated, I caught, I passed!
          And ..... WE ran aground!

          Quote: Uncle Lee
          According to your considerations, there is no need to answer for anything, let alone demand. Somali pirates are a model of discipline!

          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Well, not the sailors ... Whoever put the captain takes him off!

          Quote: Uncle Lee
          If the captain could not organize the service on the ship, then the captain is written off, not the crew.

          After reading only part of this nonsense, we can safely conclude that the comrade “flew” from the position of captain, having failed to cope with the administrative part of his duties ...
          I saw such "I am the king!"
          Such "masters" the crew is not something that would not like, but does not respect ...
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 28 March 2018 08: 32
            0
            Do you have anything to say on the case?
      2. Bakht
        Bakht 27 March 2018 15: 14
        +3
        In fact, if a fire with fatal consequences, then the Commander-in-chief should not resign, but should fly away to the bunks.
        1. netmag
          netmag 27 March 2018 15: 22
          +3
          Interesting idea. Those. In your opinion, there are no intermediate levels, neither duties nor responsibilities are delegated and Putin is always to blame for everything. This is magical. And the owner of the shopping center, and the general director, and all sorts of bosses in this shopping center are not at all involved in business. Maybe we’ll regret them yet? Losses still suffered.
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 27 March 2018 15: 29
            +2
            The responsibility of subordinates does not justify the leader. With such punctures, switchmen are punished. And the head resigns.
            The real case. An accident occurred on the ship. The man died. The captain generally slept at this time. Punished everyone by ranking. The captain flew out without retirement.
            1. netmag
              netmag 27 March 2018 15: 33
              +2
              In your example, none of the higher authorities have been punished for some reason. Once again. In the analogy in the ship and the captain, I mean by the ship - the shopping center, and by the captain - the owner. So in this case, the owner must necessarily be punished, and all below standing too.
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 27 March 2018 15: 41
                +2
                If it were just a fire .... The consequences are fatal. Mourning is then announced throughout the country. The system does not work.
                1. netmag
                  netmag 27 March 2018 15: 53
                  +5
                  If I understand correctly, you associate the ship with the country. However, the country did not burn out, the ship / country continues to move, the team continues to fulfill its tasks. There was an emergency at one of the jobs, the captain will punish the guilty. A showdown with the captain himself will be after the hike and according to the results of the fulfillment / non-fulfillment of the task.
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: netmag
                    If I understand correctly, you associate the ship with the country. However, the country did not burn out, the ship / country continues to move, the team continues to fulfill its tasks. There was an emergency at one of the jobs, the captain will punish the guilty. A showdown with the captain himself will be after the hike and according to the results of the fulfillment / non-fulfillment of the task.

                    Judging by your logic, we will wait until Russia burns out? Is it necessary?
                    1. netmag
                      netmag 27 March 2018 19: 03
                      +2
                      Judging by your logic, at each state of emergency you need to chop off the head of the highest boss, on the grounds that there is no boss above him. Interesting, but stupid. It is necessary to punish the guilty.

                      And by the way, if we return to the analogy with the ship: if for every emergency on the ship you punish the captain (throwing him overboard for example) and appoint a new one, the ship will never end its voyage, but will be like a snot hanging out in the sea, while its wind and currents are on some rocks will not be thrown away. So do you want?
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 28 March 2018 09: 22
                        +1
                        smile Alexey by! You don’t understand my idea. No one ever wrote that every fire should impeach the President. But! If such tragedies occur CONSTANTLY, it is worth considering that something is wrong in the control system. Well, if the authorities simply do not make any decisions to rectify the situation, then it’s just right to talk about impeachment to the President!
            2. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 27 March 2018 15: 41
              +1
              Quote: Bakht
              The real case. An accident occurred on the ship. The man died. The captain generally slept at this time. Punished everyone by ranking. The captain flew out without retirement.

              The classic "debriefing" of the times of the MMF of the USSR, when instead of thoroughly conducting an investigation and taking organizational and technical measures, an order was issued to dismiss. And the report went upstairs: "The measures have been taken. The scoundrel has been punished."
              A popular unwritten signpost of those times on the merchant fleet "Take care of" iron. We will send people to you. "
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 27 March 2018 15: 44
                0
                This is not a real case of the USSR, but in a Western company. 2011 seems to be. Debriefing was great. Until the change of instructions and rules of work. And the captain is still to blame. People flew higher. It's just that not everything was visible from the deck.
                How much brain storm did we have then
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 27 March 2018 15: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: Bakht
                  This is not a real case of the USSR, but in a Western company. 2011 year

                  The company of the company is discord. Even the "western".
                  Captain - piece goods. On the ship he has 3 incarnation: administrator, company representative on the ship, the most experienced navigator.
                  But. If the captain skipped his duties, and this became clear during the investigation of the emergency, the captain will have to look for work in another company.
                  1. Bakht
                    Bakht 27 March 2018 16: 03
                    +2
                    Black label. He will not find work anywhere.
                    Rule One Safety - first. The captain’s functions are not well defined. He just has to be a good administrator. The best captains were those who perfectly knew safety precautions. And who had no accidents. I’ll keep silent about navigation. Except as a rodent, we did not go. Laid the course and navigators rule. Not even from the bridge, but from the navigation room. The watchman on the bridge was generally alone. Tribute to fashion. Well, just in case.
                    In general, the example of a captain on a ship accurately describes the situation. The captain (president) is responsible for everything. It is not necessary to immediately shoot or shoot him. But the selection of personnel is his main task. A good leader should generally work as little as possible. If the country is in manual control mode then this is a disaster.
                    As my boss said, “I won’t do my work for you.” And everything worked like a clock.
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 27 March 2018 16: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Bakht
                      Captain's functions are not well defined

                      Exactly. Everything else is fantasies on the A-minor ...
                      1. Bakht
                        Bakht 27 March 2018 16: 34
                        0
                        Your opinion. I worked on a different system. The captain of course was a sailor. But not necessarily the best of the Maremans. Starting with senior divisions, the main emphasis was on administrative skills and safety precautions. When I became a shift supervisor, they told me: professional skills are not the main thing. The main guide. The same thing happened in Soviet times. I was not the best operator. But I was a shift supervisor. As the party leader said, “I’ll always find operators better than you. I can’t trust them with a ship”
              2. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 40
                +1
                Pseudo Ilyich:
                And why do you take examples from history that would justify the guilt of the current powers that be? Is there any reason? Focusing on the bad in the past, is it possible to justify the bad in the present?
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 27 March 2018 17: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Is there any reason?

                  Is it written above the entrance to your unit?
                  lol
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 18: 14
                    0
                    smile Over your department, as I understand it, there is not even such an inscription. It happens they are so anonymous anonymous .. wink
            3. Cheldon
              Cheldon 27 March 2018 16: 32
              +2
              I realized that you have enough ambitions for two ships, and your wife doesn’t even give you command. Are you at the state’s loss, at least the minister’s achievement? Or at least some level reached?
              1. Bakht
                Bakht 27 March 2018 16: 41
                +2
                My ambitions are in the past. I’ve been retired for a long time. In my field, what I achieved was enough for me. In any case, I worked honestly. And without emergency. And most importantly, he did not hide behind other people's backs and was always responsible for his actions. For which he received good recommendations. Both from their own and from imported ones.
                You can not understand. What is responsibility.
            4. kush62
              kush62 27 March 2018 18: 49
              0
              Bakht (Bakhtiyar) Today, 15:29 PM ↑ New
              The real case. An accident occurred on the ship. The man died. The captain generally slept at this time. Punished everyone by ranking. The captain flew out without retirement.

              Drowned the Titanic, Queen of Great Britain forsaken?
              Maybe in your own country?
              And not with instructions to climb to us.
    12. KAV
      KAV 27 March 2018 13: 30
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything!

      That's how it is! Only now, the captain is not responsible for the entire fleet! Compare one organ with a finger! Smart ass...
      Where is the fleet, and where is the whole country ?! And about the delegation of tasks and powers, as well as responsibility, you probably have not heard? In addition, in the fleet, or rather, we are talking about one unit of the fleet, if someone steals something from their own, the team itself will clean it up by the first number! But in the country, everything is a little different. Unfortunately, theft has already been elevated to a cult! If you are well accustomed to cash flow - you're handsome! And if you work for a salary - you're a sucker. And everywhere and around, these thieves cover each other. Go unwind this tangle, if rot spread in the organs themselves! In other words, if you put the captain on the ship, whose team is 95% thieves and switchmen and coaches, will the captain be able to quickly cope with this shobla?
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 27 March 2018 14: 17
        +6
        A competent and competent captain for 18 years will cope with thieves and any shobla and make the team work.
        1. KAV
          KAV 27 March 2018 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          A competent and competent captain for 18 years will cope with thieves and any shobla and make the team work.

          Is it right, alone, without power support, and will it cope? You are an idealist ...
          In addition, it is not correct to compare the captain of a ship and 18 years old ... It is very beneficial for yourself to operate with incompatible measures.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 27 March 2018 18: 16
            +2
            Quote: KAV
            Is it right, alone, without power support, and will it cope?

            you want to say that Putin is alone and he has no one to lean on? This is not even funny. Halfpiter moved to Moscow, but he is lonely! Although, if his friends became oligarchs, then you are really right, because they came not to work, but to earn
            1. KAV
              KAV 27 March 2018 23: 28
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              you want to say that Putin is alone and he has no one to lean on?

              Well, how can you conduct constructive dialogs with you when you constantly slide into concrete exaggeration and distortion? I want to say that Putin came to the "ship" with an extremely small team in order to brandish a saber. Until recently, he had to practically be his own among strangers. But starting in 2018, I think that the country and the people are waiting for big changes for the better. For, the power block was finally formed in the previous year. Yes, and the support of the people he enlisted is not small. Now you can start shaking the fifth column.
    13. Serg65
      Serg65 27 March 2018 13: 59
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything!

      It is the captain, not the director of the shipping company! And the captain in this case, either the director or the mayor, choose!
    14. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 27 March 2018 15: 05
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything!

      I’ll cry right now ... I didn’t know that the captain was “extreme” in all cases of life ...
      crying
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!

      A typical statement by the bureaucrat from the administration of the shipping company, who completely forgot how to go to sea.
      fool
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 27 March 2018 15: 15
        +6
        I went to sea for 25 years. Purely iron years 15. Around the world behind him. The captain is responsible for everything. For all. This is the law.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 27 March 2018 15: 22
          +1
          Quote: Bakht
          This is the law.

          Well yes, KANEchnA .... laughing
          "The oceans are roaring crazy
          order to defend is not given.
          The captains are always wrong
          The captain is to blame for everything ... "
          And so on on this worthless little song ....A. Muromova...
          "I-a-a-a-a-a-blocks in the snow-ooo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oo
          lol
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 27 March 2018 15: 30
            +3
            As you wish.
            The scene. The president is holding a meeting. He will accept the answer of the Minister "And I am not aware of what is happening in the Ministry"
          2. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 43
            0
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Quote: Bakht
            This is the law.

            Well yes, KANEchnA .... laughing
            "The oceans are roaring crazy
            order to defend is not given.
            The captains are always wrong
            The captain is to blame for everything ... "
            And so on on this worthless little song ....A. Muromova...
            "I-a-a-a-a-a-blocks in the snow-ooo-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oo
            lol

            laughing When there are no arguments, you can also sing a song! The choice of actions depends on the level of intelligence ...
        2. kush62
          kush62 27 March 2018 18: 51
          +1
          Bakht (Bakhtiyar) Today, 15:15 PM ↑ New
          I went to sea for 25 years. Purely iron years 15. Around the world behind him. The captain is responsible for everything. For all. This is the law.

          The captain is responsible for the ship, and not for the shipping company, port and port city. And especially not for the whole country. Do not confuse your finger with another organ.
        3. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 28 March 2018 08: 54
          0
          Hi colleague ! hi You vainly crucify in front of land rats. They don’t understand that the life of the crew and the fate of the ship may depend on the actions of one person. But they cannot understand this while sitting on a calm shore. And thanks for the support. drinks
          1. Bakht
            Bakht 28 March 2018 09: 19
            +1
            I had to somehow read a report on how a ship sank in the Arabian Sea. One man did things at 6 in the morning and the ship sank. He was assisted by a bunch of ships nearby. Up to the Amer aircraft carrier (the carrier group was nearby). An emergency group led by a commodore landed on the ship and tried to save him for 6 hours. But "if the kidneys have fallen off, then it's too late to drink Borjomi." The report said that waterproof doors let water through. A bunch of extra holes were drilled in the bulkheads. The crew, you see, spent the Internet in their cabins. Drainage pumps did not work. Of the three pumps brought from the aircraft carrier, two failed immediately. The under-water waters were clogged with garbage. The crew did not know what to do. The captain was to blame by all standards. Although at the time of the incident he was sleeping. But ... the ship is a complex organism and the captain was obliged to establish service so that all this did not happen.

            And this is CGG Mistral of the same type with ours. Sank safely in the Caribbean. Due to the fact that someone really wanted to smoke. And no help nearby helped.
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 42
        0
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything!

        I’ll cry right now ... I didn’t know that the captain was “extreme” in all cases of life ...
        crying
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!

        A typical statement by the bureaucrat from the administration of the shipping company, who completely forgot how to go to sea.
        fool

        That is, we have zero arguments! wink
    15. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 28 March 2018 08: 14
      0
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything! And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!

      So if a fire on the ship happened, then who is to blame for the fleet commander, the entire Navy, or still the captain ??? Our president is either a captain or, after all, the Supreme Commander
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 28 March 2018 09: 23
        0
        If there was a fire on the ship, the captain is to blame. Only. And do not drag others here. Although the one who appointed him captain must also be punished. The captain on board is the highest authority. There is no one above him. The captain gave me a certificate. His seal and signature is accepted in any court. So above the captain you can not look. Although I (I repeat) would punish the one who appointed him to this post.
    16. jktu66
      jktu66 28 March 2018 13: 21
      0
      In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything. So let the admiral figure it out and decide which of the Kemerovo captains will answer in full, I hope so
    17. Alber
      Alber 28 March 2018 20: 39
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything! And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!


      The captain, the owner, and the tenants are to blame ... That's it! Supervisory and regulatory authorities.
      The system is to blame. Capitalism is to blame ... This two-decade-old mess.
      Heads had to be chopped for a long time.
      Somewhere information slipped through: in Japan, about 120 million people — about 10 thousand officials.
      We have 140 million people - about a million-plus officials ...
      What the hell are they doing?
      Why the hell do these loafers need them in such numbers?
      Well, after all, it is clear to the first-grader, the system is stalled. This rotten mechanism requires scrapping
    18. BastaKarapuzik And
      BastaKarapuzik And 31 March 2018 21: 26
      +1
      Notice the captain is to blame, not the fleet admiral. The analogy, I think, is completely understandable.
      The admiral, of course, also bears his share of guilt. And we?
      Everyone should be responsible for what they do.
      Specifically, about the president, he is the president, and not an absolute monarch.
      The monarch, of course, will also not be able to keep track of all his subjects.
      If we had not just a monarch, but an absolute dictator, we probably would not have liked it.
      The world is not safe. Earthly paradise is not reachable.
  2. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 05: 34
    +13
    Roman, thanks for the article.
    Smacks of Bredyatina. Putin should close the garbage dumps, revise the mall and so on? Spider-Man is direct, not the President ...
    Do you know how to call it? Infantilization!

    It is she herself.
    Now local people come running trolls the infants (I know many by name), and, like two or two, they will "prove" that "# you vsefreti."
    Well, what to take from them - "#only children" request
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 27 March 2018 06: 11
      +20
      The story of life.
      About seven years ago I came to the company where I worked as a fire inspector, a girl on a starling uniform on an old escudo. She turned a blind eye to the fact that there wasn’t any kind of fire alarm in the warehouse at the same time, they loaded canned food, sweets, etc. Two years later captain, moved to a newer escudo. At the same time, they loaded her car with the same and the same (twice a year)
      I haven’t been working in that company since 2014. But I’m sure that only the rank and the car could change. And there is no fire alarm to this day.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 06: 55
        +6
        So what?
        The article, as it were, is not about the old alarm at all, no?
        1. kepmor
          kepmor 27 March 2018 08: 19
          +14
          it’s just for you, Jack, you have to sort things out in bowls ... the natural system of reflexes is absolutely not suitable for the perception of cause-effect relationships ...
          so do not blame me ...
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 27 March 2018 09: 24
            +10
            Quote: kepmor
            it’s just for you, Jack, you have to sort things out in bowls ... the natural system of reflexes is absolutely not suitable for the perception of cause-effect relationships ...
            so do not blame me ...

            Here you have cooled Golovan))) Bravo! Dictionary studies the smartest
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 45
              +3
              laughing Golovan is impossible to cool! He does not hide what his dogs are writing for him! So your insinuations are useless wink
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 09: 46
            +4
            Quote: kepmor
            the natural system of reflexes is absolutely not suitable for the perception of cause-effect relationships ...

            Yah?
            My dogs are ready to argue with you quite reasonably wink
            I will take care of you later, now - the work is calling. I have the closing of the month tomorrow, and this ... just a song, I will report to you laughing
      2. B.T.V.
        B.T.V. 27 March 2018 10: 04
        +3
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        The story of life.


        It turns out that loading an inspector’s car is cheaper than installing a fire alarm, and of course, Putin is to blame for this?
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 27 March 2018 10: 38
          +3
          You must understand that I am a hired worker and do not decide to set an alarm or load a car. And who should share the responsibility, figure it out for yourself.
          1. Walking
            Walking 27 March 2018 12: 04
            +3
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            You must understand that I am a hired worker and do not decide to set an alarm or load a car. And who should share the responsibility, figure it out for yourself.

            This is called infatilism or self-organization.
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 12: 27
            +6
            Quote: Vladivostok1969
            ... I’m an employee and I don’t decide ...

            In-in yes
            But you can teach others on the Internet ... well, it's just wonderful good
      3. raw174
        raw174 27 March 2018 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: Vladivostok1969
        The story of life.

        This is a private matter. PEOPLE, they will remain people with all the consequences. How do you personally propose hiring inspectors of the OND Ministry of Emergencies? How to filter out the infallible?
        And if you noticed such a mess, why didn’t you tell where it should be? I’ll answer, because you are also a person and nothing human is alien to you, and like all of us, we will close our eyes to all violations ... This is not Putin’s fault, this is a human factor ...
      4. kush62
        kush62 27 March 2018 18: 54
        +4
        Vladivostok1969 (Sergey) Today, 06:11 ↑ New
        The story of life.
        About seven years ago I came to the company where I worked as a fire inspector, a girl on a starling uniform on an old escudo. She turned a blind eye to the fact that there wasn’t any kind of fire alarm in the warehouse at the same time, they loaded canned food, sweets, etc. Two years later captain, moved to a newer escudo. At the same time, they loaded her car with the same and the same (twice a year)
        I haven’t been working in that company since 2014. But I’m sure that only the rank and the car could change. And there is no fire alarm to this day.

        What are you a fighter with injustice did not write to the prosecutor. Probably the inspector’s husband is a prosecutor. And dad is the governor. Grandfather Minister. In short, the whole system is rotten through and through. And your vaunted Grudinin did not pass.
        1. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 28 March 2018 02: 22
          0
          I have long gone youthful maximalism. And the world is no longer divided only into black and white. I think you will get to this. And the truth in our world is absolutely hopeless. Everyone has their own truth. That's only after leaving the company about which I wrote. earlier I had to look for work a couple of years (I was looking for a job not a taxi driver and a janitor). We just have a small city. There are few employers. And I spoiled my search for truth.
      5. jktu66
        jktu66 28 March 2018 13: 41
        +2
        In the zero hours, he was responsible for customs clearance of goods, paid at the stages so that the goods were not delayed. Not all customs officers took, few but refused, there were honest people. A couple of months in the building where I work, false fire alarms started, a new signalization was carried out without touching the old one for the time of replacement. It all depends on specific people, their decency and competence, and not on Putin and how they are ... oligarchs
  3. Vard
    Vard 27 March 2018 06: 23
    +9
    Hand on heart, we all think that only mass shootings will save the country ...
    1. Borik
      Borik 27 March 2018 11: 42
      +3
      It is time to establish an absolute monarchy or military dictatorship in the country and that the authorities in the same hands with the right to instant punishment violate the law.
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    3. Alber
      Alber 28 March 2018 20: 48
      0
      Quote: Vard
      Hand on heart, we all think that only mass shootings will save the country ...

      I even have a list ready for a long time ...
  4. populist
    populist 27 March 2018 06: 28
    +12
    Meanwhile, they have already voiced on TV. Even on the First. “Everyone must resign!”

    And who built the verticals, horizontals and different "diagonals" of power?
    And how were the elections organized? 4 million for one absentee! And others ... So, television is right for this monstrous tragedy. negative
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 27 March 2018 06: 33
    +15
    The logic is clear. "Purgu carries" not only Sands. Russia specifically "swept up".
    I do not agree with the author. If the reaction to such tragedies in aviation, the Ministry of Emergencies, etc., were adequate, then the situation would not be so sad.
    The responsibility of the leader for the well-being of his family and his life should not be ephemeral. ... And then the aisles would be like avenues, and the exits from the hall - like from the subway.
    1. Vladivostok1969
      Vladivostok1969 27 March 2018 06: 40
      +7
      How many more people should be burned alive so that the leaders of any link would understand this.
  6. Sars
    Sars 27 March 2018 06: 43
    +9
    What is the main feature of the Russian economic system?
    Enterprises - close, arrange a shopping center in the vacant building!
    Yes, under the Soviet regime, all industrial enterprises were designed based on the number of employees! If the Kemerovo shopping center, then it was originally designed to evacuate fifty people, and at the time of the fire, how many people were in it?

    About firefighters. He worked as a foreman at the construction of one shopping center. A fireman comes running, says that he will close the construction site if we don’t build a garage for him. Another object (a store in a two-story stalinka), the same thing (customers didn’t reveal the whole story how much they gave, but the lieutenant was very eloquent) and. td
  7. Click
    Click 27 March 2018 06: 44
    +18
    Nda! No. in any other state the government would resign, but not with us! So also the defenders are, they will turn everything upside down sad and the conclusion of the article is significant ......
    1. populist
      populist 27 March 2018 06: 57
      +7

      Click
      Nda! no government would resign in any other state,

      They don’t surrender their am
      Medvedev to resign! negative
      1. Cheldon
        Cheldon 27 March 2018 08: 47
        +4
        Quote: populist

        Click
        Nda! no government would resign in any other state,

        They don’t surrender their am
        Medvedev to resign! negative

        Taki Merkel sits for the 4th season. Not democratic! She captivated Germany with migrants and everything is fine. Gaddafi clearly said that he gave 50 mil. to the election of Sarkazi, and only now remembered. Yes you give up. It’s you who beguiled Europe and Japan.
        1. Click
          Click 27 March 2018 09: 20
          +10
          Do we have few migrants? Eyes open! request if you don’t show it on TV, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t! negative
      2. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 47
        +3
        Quote: populist

        Click
        Nda! no government would resign in any other state,

        They don’t surrender their am
        Medvedev to resign! negative

        Putin to resign!
    2. lazy
      lazy 27 March 2018 07: 06
      +5
      Are you sure you would resign? after September 11, people are in place, in Sweden, after the wiki, people are in place, but this acts of terrorism that intelligence agencies must prevent to speak about private business
      1. Click
        Click 27 March 2018 07: 38
        +1
        How often does this happen there? what Asked such a question? sad
    3. stivev
      stivev 27 March 2018 12: 54
      0
      What country are you talking about?
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  8. Bastinda
    Bastinda 27 March 2018 06: 47
    +4
    So Putin is to blame?
    Yes, it was he who in 2015, signed the law on the introduction of supervisory holidays for small businesses.
    The law established a three-year ban on the conduct by state control (supervision) and municipal control bodies of scheduled inspections in relation to small businesses.

    So what, in our country there are thousands of enterprises where thousands of people like him do not conduct such classes. But the blame is not responsible for the PPB, but Putin. After all, with him such an attitude to his duties is possible. In addition, he is the President, which means he is responsible for everything.

    Instead of planting (giving a command to land) presumptuous officials, they are told - do not touch 3 years, then can you milk again?
  9. lazy
    lazy 27 March 2018 07: 00
    +1
    and if someone pissed in the elevator, then he is also to blame for not keeping track of
    1. free
      free 27 March 2018 08: 56
      +6
      Quote: lazy
      and if someone pissed in the elevator, then he is also to blame for not keeping track of

      The value system is to blame in this case, but this system (of values) is only part of the picture.
  10. Alex66
    Alex66 27 March 2018 07: 02
    +15
    The problem of irresponsibility steal two bags of potatoes and you get two years, and stole 2 billion dollars. in the worst case, share it. The case of defense service on the brakes launched Tolik steers by helicopters, his girlfriend returns his property. as Putin said, not 37 years old. About Chubais, he said not so long ago: that in those circumstances it was difficult for him to choose the right solution, but even now his business is not so hot. Yes, and do not blame us, we voted in a referendum for the preservation of the USSR, but the democrats were on our will. So Putin leads his game, but this is not our game, so he must answer.
  11. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 27 March 2018 07: 07
    +11
    Putin is to blame, and, of course, the system he created.
    And specific people who did not buy fire extinguishers on time, who did not check the alarm system and fire extinguishing and ventilation systems are not to blame.
    The novel is specific people, it is part of the system created by Putin, and a normal leader changes the screws of the system in time, and not after an emergency. Those. some of his guilt in what happened is still there.
    Fire inspectors are more like women of the oldest profession (some grandmothers on the mind). request
  12. Fox
    Fox 27 March 2018 07: 09
    +9
    and let judge Khakhaleva judge the guilty ...
    1. Alex66
      Alex66 27 March 2018 08: 12
      +7
      With the prosecutor Ignatenko (released after extradition)
  13. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. 27 March 2018 07: 10
    +3
    An emotional article may not agree in everything, but generally true!
    Comments should be turned off under such news, because instead of condolences, commentators begin to put forward political demands and ....... Yes, it’s just disgusting to read poured slops and disputes, with insults where there should be peace and quiet!
  14. Nix1986
    Nix1986 27 March 2018 07: 10
    +14
    Again, the boyars are bad, and the king is super. Tired of this already. I won’t chew a lot of snot here. I recall the words of the GDP from recent speeches: "I fight corruption, I just recently dispersed a department in one department, scored a new one, and they steal again, I don’t know what to do." Vova ask the people what to do or better than the “Chinese friends”, at least 20 years with the complete confiscation of property of the immediate family members. But it won’t be like that, otherwise everything will fall under the batch, and this is the support of GDP. Bulgaria, a lame horse, now a shopping center, the list will continue to expand.
    1. kush62
      kush62 27 March 2018 19: 00
      +1
      Nix1986 (Nikita) Today, 07:10 New
      Again, the boyars are bad, and the king is super. Tired of this already. I won’t chew a lot of snot here. I recall the words of the GDP from recent speeches: "I fight corruption, I just recently dispersed a department in one department, scored a new one, and they steal again, I don’t know what to do." Vova ask the people what to do or better than the “Chinese friends”, at least 20 years with the complete confiscation of property of the immediate family members. But it won’t be like that, otherwise everything will fall under the batch, and this is the support of GDP. Bulgaria, a lame horse, now a shopping center, the list will continue to expand.

      Tired, take a rest. Such an extreme incident. People died, and our appositionists happily jumped on their skate. "Down with!!!" People have sorrow, condolences are necessary. You will find any reason for choleretic. You blew the election, and the Grudinins, Sobchaks did not pass. So calm down already.
  15. Boris55
    Boris55 27 March 2018 07: 14
    +2
    Quote: R. Skomorokhov
    Putin has something to blame, and specifically in creating the system in which we exist

    In principle, after such a title of the article and this quote, there is no desire to read further. Putin can only be blamed for organizing the destruction of the USSR, organizing the adoption of the current Constitution and building the current type of power on its basis ...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 07: 16
      +5
      Quote: Boris55
      read more there is no hunting

      Boris, you're wrong read it all the same. You will still be surprised belay
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 27 March 2018 07: 21
        +1
        I ran through the text. I’ll read it later, but for now. All our life, all our actions are regulated by laws adopted by the popularly elected State Duma. Putin has no right not to sign laws adopted by her on behalf of the people. All that happened is our fault when we elected such legislators who, on our behalf, adopted such laws that would allow such a thing to happen.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 27 March 2018 07: 36
          +1
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Boris, you're wrong, read it all the same.

          I apologize for the first post, got excited.
        2. Vladivostok1969
          Vladivostok1969 27 March 2018 10: 46
          +3
          The severity of Russian laws is not necessarily due to their enforcement, but not for everyone.
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 March 2018 07: 56
    +10
    Smacks of Bredyatina. Putin must close the trash
    Why ravings? He closed the whole country with pride, at the click of a finger. Only all the garbage from that garbage was taken to neighboring ones.
    Only it’s not about Putin. There was a country, some are still looking for flaws. And can you anyone bring the real merits of the current predatory capitalism?
  17. konstantin68
    konstantin68 27 March 2018 08: 28
    +2
    Quote: TuM0305
    You should not argue with such people, he receives grandmas for raising the way!

    Who and what gets the money can be judged by the style of your opus. Amen!
  18. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 27 March 2018 08: 31
    +2
    Quote: Artek
    Well, since Skomorokhov was asked to do a social analysis, let's go. The most important thing is that there is no order in the country, Putin DOES NOT CONTROL the situation in the economy, does not control the situation in foreign policy. The only thing that controls Putin is elections, the maintenance of his regime by special services and so on. called "public opinion" by media propaganda forces.
    I already wrote that Putin does not keep his word when, for example, there is no doubling of GDP, one forumman slipped the data from Roskomstat to me, where Roskomstat says that the doubling happened, but even stroking our lying economy and poor people, it’s clear that the Roskomstat’s data is a lie .
    Putin has bred the thief oligarchs who earn money here throwing money to the west. And who started this order? Of course Putin.
    Does he care about his people? No, it turns out you don’t care about your people, but just talk about it, you don’t care about your economy, but just talk about it and everything will look outwardly safe. Putin's system is a system of lies, right? Well, what else can oligarchic capitalism be?
    Well, they asked you once.

    Remember, strain your brain, who is the oligarch, the wording, and when did they appear? Who was the president?
    1. Click
      Click 27 March 2018 09: 23
      +3
      And during the reign of GDP, they bred like rats ... think about this issue!
      1. lazy
        lazy 29 March 2018 15: 37
        0
        and let's get a list of the 90s and the 2000s oligarchs, they are comparable, they have bred or is it just in your head
  19. Vlad Petrov
    Vlad Petrov 27 March 2018 08: 33
    +3
    A series of terrifying tragedies of recent years and the prospect of future fatal incidents must be interrupted! Only the most severe measures of responsibility of all involved! First of all, the owners of commercial establishments. And to qualify under Article 109 of the Criminal Code, manslaughter by negligence. Firefighters and other inspections must in all cases be held liable under Art. 293 CC failure to perform or improper performance of their duties.
  20. konstantin68
    konstantin68 27 March 2018 08: 34
    +2
    Quote: lazy
    and if someone pissed in the elevator, then he is also to blame for not keeping track of

    Not only that, according to the logic of some writers, even if it’s not someone who did the elevator, it’s just me –– it’s all the same to blame. So it’s easier of course, you can explain everything. Anything.
  21. trophy
    trophy 27 March 2018 08: 39
    +4
    The article is nonsense. Look at the root. A small business object is an object of law with certain characteristics. and it is not up to the fire inspector to decide whether this object is such or not. So, criminal negligence on the part of persons involved in the emergence of "supervisory holidays" is on the face. Any such institution is a place of crowded people and conduct a fire safety check there every three years? It is interesting, how many and in which Moscow offices the owners of various shopping centers should be brought in to lobby for this frankly criminal law? Yes, local Aborigines are to blame, but a systemic failure that made such a situation possible occurred precisely in Moscow offices and buildings (and it is not a failure at all). I don’t claim that only the GDP is personally to blame, but since the current system came into being and happily exists, its share of responsibility is the same as the signature under the law (or it’s like a military defensive stool: I’m not guilty, I don’t know what I signed, they slipped me). But unfortunately criminal negligence, connivance and self-elimination are not those articles that can be applied to representatives of the higher branches of our legislative and executive powers. There are plenty of examples.
  22. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 27 March 2018 08: 40
    +4
    Here's a strange thing, it burns a lot in many countries, unfortunately people die, the reasons are different, but mostly negligence and greed, when many people die abroad, yes, we are sorry, we write condolences, but nobody writes neither here nor there, oh is it a trump or is it Angel’s fault, like we have everything, Putin is to blame. Are there fire inspectors who started to take money from him? if they get along in the elevator, then this is not Putin and Medvedev, this is your neighbor, and it’s better to once again express their condolences to the dead than to engage in doggy again
    1. Click
      Click 27 March 2018 09: 27
      +2
      Well, not a series of similar incidents? Yes it happens everywhere, but, as a rule, isolated cases! request
      1. stivev
        stivev 27 March 2018 12: 59
        +1
        Where do you see a "series of similar incidents"?
      2. kush62
        kush62 27 March 2018 19: 05
        +1
        Click (Ivan) Today, 09:27 ↑ New
        Well, not a series of similar incidents? Yes it happens everywhere, but, as a rule, isolated cases!

        Isolated cases of executions of people every week take place in the country whose flag accompanies you. Do you write angry opus against Trump on American sites?
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 27 March 2018 17: 50
      +1
      Putin’s fault is not that he didn’t take bribes with him, but that he didn’t do it so that they would not be taken for the whole 18 years!
  23. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 27 March 2018 08: 44
    +1
    Yes, when Lame Horse burned down and more than 150 people died there, young people mostly, I don’t remember something that the Internet exploded, they say Putin, the governor, the government are to blame for everything ...
  24. Altona
    Altona 27 March 2018 08: 51
    +3
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    I, daragoy, have been sitting since two nights and watching how the data flies in the system for which I am responsible. Because they used to fly very crooked before, and I corrected it just recently. And now you need to make sure that you are not mistaken anywhere.

    --------------------------------
    As I understand it, that you stand for systematicity, Vladimir stands for someone’s personal responsibility. Unfortunately, both systemicity and personal responsibility have collapsed, because it does not happen that one of the components copes. I am referring to the systematic nature of safety and fire safety measures. Therefore, we are now experiencing similar emergency situations in the form of fires, explosions of domestic gas, and incidents in transport (airborne in the first place). Previously, there was a system of relevant activities, not only inspections, but also activities. And judging by this state of emergency, all the mistakes that were only possible were made here. Shouting about "captains", in this case, is the owner of the establishment. The Ministry of Emergencies should once again draw conclusions and understand that people's lives are not a reason for the personal enrichment of specific majors.
  25. free
    free 27 March 2018 08: 52
    +6
    Accuse Putin always and in everything of course idiocy! And those who did not instruct, and those who did not open fire exits, and those who were supposed to but did not organize an evacuation, they are all guilty and must be punished!But they didn’t forge signatures and made envelopes, and they didn’t bring envelopes to them. If we begin to unwind this rope, where will it lead? No, of course not to GDP!But we will see that this is a system, a system of collective irresponsibility and insane greed of large officials and oligarchs.So who should control these bureaucrats and pull the oligarchs? Really we? This is how the question arises for the GDP!
    1. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 27 March 2018 10: 36
      +1
      I list the prosecutor’s office, the Federal Security Service, the Investigative Committee, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Rostekhnadzor, and the tax authorities! If you missed someone, you can add yourself.
  26. Egoza
    Egoza 27 March 2018 08: 58
    +10
    The article is correct. And Roman draws attention to the fact that all liberals flock to tragedy like vultures. Dear! Don't you think that for these vultures the more blood, the better? And can they arrange more than one bloodshed in order to at least somehow try to drive the GDP into a corner? But it seems to me that if he does not arrange the 37 year now, the consequences for Russia will be terrible. Enough to engage in shit democracy already, he needs to act, as if he didn’t want to.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 27 March 2018 09: 21
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      all liberals flock to tragedy like vultures.

      I would also like to draw attention to the behavior of "our" media. They like a sutra until night push a tantrum, and then liberals telling crazy citizens who is to blame for all this ...
      Quote: Egoza
      But it seems to me that if he does not arrange the 37 year now, the consequences for Russia will be terrible

      The word can’t be interrupted by a stick. And the elections showed that they don’t have popular support.
      It is necessary to really create state television that reflects the interests of the state, and not a handful of traitors ... although they are traitors, they have no homeland, they are just enemies.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 27 March 2018 09: 24
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        The word can’t be interrupted by a stick. And the elections showed that they don’t have popular support.

        For that they have SMRAD and finances. This is enough, they use it, they excite and excite the people, just like that.
        And the election result was corrected in such a way that Putin would not have support. Stripping in society. Do not be surprised, this is exactly so, despite the impressive figure of "victory"
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 27 March 2018 09: 32
          +1
          Quote: badens1111
          that there would be no support for Putin. to conduct stripping in society

          The force control method is the last in the series of management priorities and is resorted to only if the battle is lost on all other priorities. In other words: "He who does not want to speak with Lavrov will speak with Shoigu," "Guns are the last argument of kings," etc.
          1. sib.ataman
            sib.ataman 27 March 2018 10: 10
            0
            Boris, I hope you are not Bo'ris? I also respect the gene. K.P. Petrov, but the above scheme operates on a global level, and the topic of the article is the problem of abuse of pseudo-opposition in the current situation. Here, rather, we are talking about moral cleanliness?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 27 March 2018 10: 17
              0
              Quote: sib.ataman
              I also respect the gene. K.P. Petrov

              Me not. I am grateful to him for the popularization of BER, but Petrov used the results of BER to achieve personal goals - he tried to become president.

              Quote: sib.ataman
              the given scheme operates on a global level

              It is relevant at the home level. You can force the child to do something nasty to him, but it will be ineffective and short-lived.

              Quote: sib.ataman
              the topic of the article is the problem of abuse of pseudo-opposition in the current situation

              They propose to “shoot” this opposition, that's why I expressed my opinion about the inadmissibility of solving this problem in this way. It must be solved at 1,2 and 3 priority.
              1. sib.ataman
                sib.ataman 27 March 2018 11: 09
                +1
                Petrov is not only a distributor, but also one of the creators of BER. Not so ambitious as to desire power, etc. But their postulate of seizing control is more populist than practiced. I told him about this, but K.P. He remained with his opinion, the result is known.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 27 March 2018 11: 28
                  0
                  Quote: sib.ataman
                  Petrov is not only a distributor, but also one of the creators of BER

                  Not. This is not true. BER was developed by one of the Leningrad institutes on the instructions of the Central Committee of the CPSU in the middle of the 80 as a measure to counter Western ideology. Petrov has nothing to do with this. He served at Baikonur at that time.
                  Quote: sib.ataman
                  ... their postulate of taking control is more populist than practiced. I told him about this, but K.P. He remained with his opinion, the result is known.

                  BER says that any parties are carriers of ideologies designed to hide the purpose of the concept. For BER, creating parties is nonsense. BOB has nothing to hide.
          2. MKPU-115
            MKPU-115 27 March 2018 21: 03
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: badens1111
            that there would be no support for Putin. to conduct stripping in society

            The force control method is the last in the series of management priorities and is resorted to only if the battle is lost on all other priorities. In other words: "He who does not want to speak with Lavrov will speak with Shoigu," "Guns are the last argument of kings," etc.

            Secrets of the management of humanity. General Petrov Konstantin Pavlovich. BER (public safety concept).
            It is completely applicable to a specific situation. Putin is not guilty of course, guilty, first of all, as follows from the BER, the political system is capitalism. Means of production and finance belong to a limited circle of people.
            THERE IS NO SUCH CRIME WHICH THE CAPITALIST WILL NOT GO FOR 300% PROFIT.
            Look at the root.
        2. kush62
          kush62 27 March 2018 19: 10
          0
          badens1111 (Vlad) Today, 09:24 ↑ New
          Quote: Boris55
          The word can’t be interrupted by a stick. And the elections showed that they don’t have popular support.
          For that they have SMRAD and finances. This is enough, they use it, they excite and excite the people, just like that.
          And the election result was corrected in such a way that Putin would not have support. Stripping in society. Do not be surprised, this is exactly so, despite the impressive figure of "victory"

          Even a survey on the site showed that the majority voted for Putin. Also juggling?
          What are you doing on such a dishonest site, an honest and fair expert on EGE?
      2. free
        free 27 March 2018 16: 54
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        Quote: Egoza
        all liberals flock to tragedy like vultures.

        I would also like to draw attention to the behavior of "our" media. They like a sutra until night push a tantrum, and then liberals telling crazy citizens who is to blame for all this ...
        Quote: Egoza
        But it seems to me that if he does not arrange the 37 year now, the consequences for Russia will be terrible

        The word can’t be interrupted by a stick. And the elections showed that they don’t have popular support.
        It is necessary to really create state televisionreflecting state interestsand not a bunch of traitors ... although they are traitors, they have no homeland, they are just enemies.

        You don’t know what a state is (a state does not have interests in itself, only the class of society has interests that control the state) or deliberately take it aside? The media should be state-owned, and the state should protect the interests of working people. That's the only way!
        And about the fact that the media should protect the interests of the state, isn’t it now? We have an oligarchic state and the media always protect their interests (oligarchs and big bureaucrats).
    2. BecmepH
      BecmepH 27 March 2018 09: 39
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      Enough to engage in shit democracy already, he needs to act, as if he didn’t want to.

      Good girl! It's a compliment.
  27. oracul
    oracul 27 March 2018 09: 09
    +10
    Engels wrote: The causes of the phenomena occurring around us must be sought not from the head, but with the help of the head in the factors of material production surrounding us. So, the answer, indeed, must be sought in the essence of liberalism, which is apparently very attractive. After all, he says that management should be based on trust in people, that system control, supervision and administration are not acceptable, in a word - personal freedom. Beautiful, but not effective, since the outcome of such a system (state or production) will be sad. bankruptcy. For liberals in economics and finance, the main goal is freedom from control and supervision by the state and society. By the way, you will not give a single world-famous example of a successful businessman who would practice liberalism in his work. For liberals in power, the goal is to create a control system that only mimics it. Hence the destruction of the GOST systems and quality control, technical and fire supervision that worked effectively in the USSR, the transformation of inspections into farce, problems with technological disasters. And note that the responsibility for the actions of officials is blurred as much as possible. Therefore, resignations do not occur until they are sent to court under the little hands. And this is very rare.
    1. Cheldon
      Cheldon 27 March 2018 09: 53
      +2
      Quote: oracul
      By the way, you will not give a single world-famous example of a successful businessman who would practice liberalism in his work. For liberals in power, the goal is to create a control system that only mimics it. Hence the destruction of the GOST systems and quality control, technical and fire supervision that worked effectively in the USSR, the transformation of inspections into farce, problems with technological disasters. And note that the responsibility for the actions of officials is blurred as much as possible. Therefore, resignations do not occur until they are sent to court under the little hands. And this is very rare.

      I fully agree with you.
    2. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 27 March 2018 09: 57
      +1
      “Liberalism” in the broad sense is, first of all, “multivariance”, and not “relaxation” as many consider
    3. NordOst16
      NordOst16 27 March 2018 12: 04
      0
      Well, the USSR had enough of its problems, for example, the railway accident near Ufa or the explosion of wagons from the centuries near Arzamas.
      I think it is necessary to respect more to the cause and other people, I think then with any system it will live well.
  28. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 27 March 2018 09: 14
    +7
    Well, according to the law, this may well be a "small business" (staff less than 100 people, annual turnover less than 800 million rubles) .... BUT - "holidays" for such enterprises were announced only in the tax sphere --- everything else; and SES and fire and ecology, etc., under the "regulation". Moreover, for objects with mass attendance a special, more stringent regulation applies, therefore fire requirements and inspections should be carried out there with normal, that is, with an increased frequency, as for objects with "high attendance". For example, in the USA in shopping centers it is quite often possible to run into fire evacuation checks — when a fire alarm is triggered and it is declared that it is a training alarm and everyone should leave the center following signs and persons who will indicate the escape route and the shopping center employees (regular security guards, etc. with wearing yellow-orange jellies and helmets) that stand in all places and lead the evacuation. It works that visitors to shopping centers are usually the same people and they get used to where to go and how to act, and even if someone from the outside has arrived, he watches how the others do and does not panic anymore, but follows their actions . In Russia, I have never seen such training alarms played in shopping centers.
    1. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 27 March 2018 10: 29
      +5
      Objects such as this shopping center, by themselves, like mushrooms in the forest, are not born. Their parents, most often, are sitting in the front row, i.e., people who are connected! And all who steers and serves, mercenaries, and at the right minute, switchmen. This is the most common "feeding" scheme in the country, operating from the very birth of dem. Of Russia. If you do not know, then you are from the moon!
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 27 March 2018 11: 54
        0
        Yes, this is understandable to everyone, we don’t live in the forest ... I mean, the rent (turnover) may be ... 1 ruble, as you remember, with McDonald's in Moscow?
  29. sergo1914
    sergo1914 27 March 2018 09: 39
    +4
    Corruption in the country is only growing. I will throw an example. Even 10 years ago, a bribe for "rights" was 5 tyr rubles. Now - 25-35 tyr rubles. The well-being of the population has not increased. The welfare of the “takers” from the first row did not increase. The margin of the service has increased. Where is the delta going? Who built into the scheme, and even with such appetites? And it’s not an isolated case - the system. Which broke the old Soviet principle of "you - to me, I - to you." One good turn deserves another. Now - only money. You need - you carry. I need - I carry.
    PS Gentlemen with the sharpened brilliant phrase "training manual from the State Department," please do not respond.
    1. Cheldon
      Cheldon 27 March 2018 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      Corruption in the country is only growing. I will throw an example. Even 10 years ago, a bribe for "rights" was 5 tyr rubles. Now - 25-35 tyr rubles. The well-being of the population has not increased. The welfare of the “takers” from the first row did not increase. The margin of the service has increased. Where is the delta going? Who built into the scheme, and even with such appetites? And it’s not an isolated case - the system. Which broke the old Soviet principle of "you - to me, I - to you." One good turn deserves another. Now - only money. You need - you carry. I need - I carry.
      PS Gentlemen with the sharpened brilliant phrase "training manual from the State Department," please do not respond.

      The whole world of corruption we will destroy
      To the ground, and then
      We are our, we will build a new world,
      Who was nobody will become everything!
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 27 March 2018 12: 05
        +2
        From cooks and workers there will be deputies and ministers
        1. Cheldon
          Cheldon 27 March 2018 12: 13
          +3
          Others will sit in places not so remote. laughing
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 27 March 2018 12: 18
            0
            And periodically it is necessary to do a raking. Some there, others back
  30. Loess
    Loess 27 March 2018 09: 48
    +1
    Herbarium of Freaks
    An interesting definition. And the article is correct. I did not expect from Skomorokhov. hi
  31. Cheldon
    Cheldon 27 March 2018 09: 56
    +3
    Easter is coming. Here is evil and raging.
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  33. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 27 March 2018 10: 14
    0
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything! And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!


    Cap, the flag is not visible on your board! Or a jolly roger waiting for the right moment?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 27 March 2018 12: 21
      +1
      The flag is red, hammer-heavy!
  34. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 27 March 2018 10: 17
    0
    Quote: sergo1914
    Corruption in the country is only growing. I will throw an example. Even 10 years ago, a bribe for "rights" was 5 tyr rubles. Now - 25-35 tyr rubles. The well-being of the population has not increased. The welfare of the “takers” from the first row did not increase. The margin of the service has increased. Where is the delta going? Who built into the scheme, and even with such appetites? And it’s not an isolated case - the system. Which broke the old Soviet principle of "you - to me, I - to you." One good turn deserves another. Now - only money. You need - you carry. I need - I carry.
    PS Gentlemen with the sharpened brilliant phrase "training manual from the State Department," please do not respond.


    Inflation, panamaesh, daragoy?
  35. 19481970
    19481970 27 March 2018 10: 25
    0
    Clever Roman !!!
  36. Alexander Lashkul
    Alexander Lashkul 27 March 2018 10: 35
    +3
    Some kind of verbal diarrhea. It is completely incomprehensible what the author wanted to say. He then jumps to the individual defendants, then he talks about the system as a whole. But if the SYSTEM is to blame (because if EVERYTHING is not carried out, then this is the system). Maybe it’s really necessary to ask someone who has supported this system for 18 years? This, of course, does not abolish the punishment of specific perpetrators, both among bureaucrats and among employees of the shopping center. But the root of the problem is really deep.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 27 March 2018 10: 53
      0
      Quote: Alexander Lashkul
      it must be asked from who has supported this system for 18 years?

      Every time the people vote for this system, is Putin to blame?
      1. Alexander Lashkul
        Alexander Lashkul 27 March 2018 10: 58
        +1
        That is, you say that the people deserve this tragedy?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 27 March 2018 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Lashkul
          That is, you say that the people deserve this tragedy?

          Any nation deserves that power, which then has it.
          In the last Duma elections the people overwhelmingly voted for the EP party. For a party that represents the interests of the bourgeois, which allowed lawmakers on behalf of the people to pass a law in the interests of the bourgeois and, as a result, reap the consequences ...
          Is the people to blame for this tragedy - yes, to blame.
    2. sib.ataman
      sib.ataman 27 March 2018 10: 57
      +1
      Well, yes, it’s better for you there because of the hillock! And here we are dirty bast shoes.
      1. Alexander Lashkul
        Alexander Lashkul 27 March 2018 11: 06
        0
        Given how permanently the thunder booms, but no one is baptized ...
    3. Roman Skomorokhov
      27 March 2018 13: 28
      0
      Quote: Alexander Lashkul
      What is verbal diarrhea. It is completely incomprehensible what the author wanted to say.


      Have you tried to read? Funny, but most of the commentators understood everything. One you are so ... incomprehensible. Maybe it's in you?
  37. Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 27 March 2018 10: 58
    0
    as the owner of the Winter Cherry, Mr. Shtengelov managed his own kiosk with an area of ​​23 square meters. m. how to smuggle a small business.

    here you can scream as much as you like, according to the law, revenues of up to 800 million, employees up to 100 people - a small business.
    1. Alexander Lashkul
      Alexander Lashkul 27 March 2018 11: 05
      +1
      How much space was rented in this shopping center, if the proceeds are less than 800 mil ?!
      1. Bulrumeb
        Bulrumeb 27 March 2018 11: 08
        0
        Alexander Lashkul: How much area was rented

        and this question is addressed to the owners of the tax authorities or well, although she apparently agreed with everything.
        1. Alexander Lashkul
          Alexander Lashkul 27 March 2018 11: 09
          0
          This is the problem of the system ...
          1. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 27 March 2018 11: 14
            +1
            This is the problem of the system ...

            I don’t know a single businessman who would show his full revenue, no, maybe there are some, but I haven’t seen it. Everyone is cunning, hiding, taking away, etc.
            1. Alexander Lashkul
              Alexander Lashkul 27 March 2018 11: 17
              0
              Of course, but I understand that this can be done at the shavershchik or even the clothing store, but the mall ?!
              1. Bulrumeb
                Bulrumeb 27 March 2018 11: 22
                0
                it can take a shaver or even a clothing store

                technically, it makes no difference, selling not through the cash register, concluding agreements for various services, for servicing the same fire alarm, for example (although there is not serious money), but in fact, it’s banal
                1. Alexander Lashkul
                  Alexander Lashkul 27 March 2018 11: 31
                  0
                  Technically, yes. But should the state supervisor also have a brain, or what?
                  1. Bulrumeb
                    Bulrumeb 27 March 2018 11: 39
                    0
                    But the state supervisor must also

                    the supervisor is attached only on a specific tip, or if you need to specifically press in, in other cases, they simply do not reach their hands. It’s like with online cash registers, if you are in the subject. Enter and what? But nothing, there is simply no one to check data from them
                  2. NordOst16
                    NordOst16 27 March 2018 12: 08
                    0
                    Money before my eyes dramatically reduces the breadth of view
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 27 March 2018 18: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: NordOst16
                      Money before my eyes dramatically reduces the breadth of view

                      "Money develops a fantasy" Beaumarchais
  38. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 27 March 2018 11: 18
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    In the Navy, the captain is responsible for everything! And if an emergency occurred on the ship, then it is only his fault that he was unable to organize a service for the establishments!

    We ourselves are to blame ... I ... you ... others ...
    Why is another question ..
    About the fleet. .. a ship is a closed territorially small territory On a ship is easier.
    (((Yes, and the fire brigade — double the route and rotate the wheel .. you. If you were on the ship. Then you know what it is If you don’t know — the clock wheel hangs on the nail. The fire brigade passing along the route should turn it for a while inspection. And God forbid. if the wheel is not turned and saw a cap or a head-fire alarm !!!!.))
    Not a good comparison with the ship
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 27 March 2018 12: 30
      +2
      I repeat once again: the captain, commander, chief, mayor, governor, prime minister and president are responsible for organizing the services of the institutions!
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 12: 39
        +4
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        captain, commander, chief, mayor, guber, prime minister, president ...

        ... and the Lord God yes
        You just have to present the last for dirty dishes in your sink. for instance laughing
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 27 March 2018 13: 15
          +2
          Not on target. I have a dishwasher.
  39. Artek
    Artek 27 March 2018 11: 21
    +6
    Quote: Cheldon
    It’s clear where the legs grow from. I heard a similar conversation before the election: I have to choose Grudinin, he said he would raise his salary. The oligarchs have long had money in the West, in contrast to the situation of 1917, when there was something to expropriate.
    Quote: Artek
    establishing order with the cops and judges

    And you are that expert, cat. versed in everything? You specifically speak, and do not rush general phrases. What doesn’t suit you "with the cops" - you were fined for a drunken ride, and the judge stripped of your rights?

    We watched the debate. Grudinin said that the country is undergoing a MASS OWNERSHIP, which goes to the relatives of officials, heads of administrations, cops and judges, and this is already a crime of the Putin regime.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 27 March 2018 11: 46
      +1
      No, no, no ... no need here "Grudinina" -on- "bad" .... he has "hidden" accounts in "Switzerland" and therefore he is bad, bad ... recourse
  40. Siberian1965
    Siberian1965 27 March 2018 11: 37
    0
    Unpleasant topic. I began to read the article of one corpse beater, I didn’t read it, I couldn’t, I wanted to return to my twenty years of AKM and from the stomach with a howl, according to this accuser of Putin. PR at the expense of girls and boys who called from a burning building. Likely about such wrote the author. And on the topic. I work at a hydroelectric station. We are very seriously involved in emergency training and testing fire alarms and automation, but there is one such thing, fear for the ass. The ruble, dollar, euro, yuan i.e. grandmas. Probably many remember the terrible accident on the Sayan Mountains. A few weeks before this, emergency response training was taking place at our station, and the situation was such that it was an increased battle of the shaft on one of the generators. There are two lists in the instructions - the generator stops with the permission of the main and immediately. Depending on the size of the battle shaft. The shaft fight for training was off the list immediately. The trainer stopped the generator training without consulting the main one, etc. At the training parsing, this driver was nearly forced to replay the training. I did not like such actions by the controller. Such actions led to fines. Remember the pilots who are trying to fly over a thunderstorm, and not fly around. I’m talking about instructions for instructions, about initiative and responsibility for the initiative. I am 100% sure that there was some kind of instruction, or an oral order to close the cinema halls, because they forged ... and grandmothers forged. But the controller who was given such an order did not see the fire instructions in her eyes, and the one who saw and was indignant on the street - because of the inconsistency of the position. And those hoopoes that children were not allowed to go down - they are good for the boss, they will always say yes and they will perform stupid things. FRAMES RESOLVE EVERYTHING. We have a big problem with the staff.
  41. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 27 March 2018 11: 37
    +7
    Completely with a colleague. Seventeen years in the Navy under the thesis - The commander is responsible for everything!
    None of the crew members are appointed without the consent of the commander / captain, otherwise, you will solve all problems at sea yourself.
    Here is Tuleyev, how much does he steer the region? The result - Kuzbass, the richest region that coal overflows China and all of Southeast Asia, became a territory of poverty, death, and devastation.
    Is Tuleev to blame? And who supports it - coal magnates, who are, as it were, in the shadow of the oil and gas magnates / oligarchs, whose names are well known to everyone.
    Those who are interested - take an interest in who owns the Kuzbass mines, pick up the criminal chronicle of the last ten years, and understand why the restless Aman is still in power.
    Russia assigned to regional shares.
    With all the ensuing consequences.
  42. Nechaev
    Nechaev 27 March 2018 11: 40
    +4
    The fire in Kemerovo burned the glossy facade of Russia and exposed an ugly interior.
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 27 March 2018 11: 47
      +3
      Come on, .... just now? ... but what about "she drowned"? winked
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 27 March 2018 12: 13
        +2
        Sonlasen, not only now, even with Serdyukov began
  43. hbvkzyby
    hbvkzyby 27 March 2018 12: 03
    0
    I fully support the author.
  44. Himdym
    Himdym 27 March 2018 12: 13
    +2
    In this whole situation, I don’t understand this:
    Who and how carried out the examination of the reconstruction project of the former confectionery factory, who and how accepted the mall into operation if combustible materials were used everywhere? I recall that CL happened in 2009, even then it was forbidden at the federal level to use plastics in finishing materials, the fire resistance standards of finishing materials were formulated, and this Winter Cherry was put into operation in 2013.
    Second: who and how supervised the fire-fighting condition of the mall? Why did the sprinkler fire extinguishing system turn out to be inoperative?
    The President, and it is the state that guarantees security to citizens, both in the person of the highest executive and local authorities, in this case, must clearly and clearly give the task of the RF IC to understand all the circumstances of what happened, instruct the prime minister to prepare proposals for changing the control system, possibly reforming fire supervision. At a minimum, the head of the local Fire Surveillance should be removed.
    in essence, the Kemerovo tragedy is an examination of our state’s maturity. and pr on people's grief never paid dividends.
  45. Bouncer
    Bouncer 27 March 2018 12: 18
    +15
    Aptly said - a gebarium of freaks
  46. ibirus
    ibirus 27 March 2018 12: 18
    +1
    Finally, an adequate article about what happened. The very juice of this situation is that people with indignation demand punishing the bribe takers who have allowed such a thing, but human people themselves, at the earliest opportunity, to circumvent the law and save money - will circumvent and violate, reassuring themselves: "I'm like everyone else, not the only one." In our country there is no culture of responsibility for our deeds and for our statements. For most people, the mentality of children is the whole responsibility of dad or mom.
    And separately about personalities who are caught in the hype tragedy. To appoint the guilty before the end of the investigation and build conspiracy theories about a conspiracy of authorities with the aim of rising and earning dough is disgusting. I can draw the sad conclusion that there are very few journalists in our country, but there are more than enough female journalists with reduced social responsibility. Know how to filter data and do not let your brain turn into a drain tank for non-journalists and talkers from social networks.
  47. NyeMoNik70
    NyeMoNik70 27 March 2018 13: 21
    +3
    This is the first act of the Cold Civil War. In terms of its effect and purpose, it clearly repeats the Odessa house of trade unions and, less clearly, the Kiev one. A signal to various social groups in (at) power - you are defenseless, anything and anywhere can happen to you and your children. Terror. This is their favorite method. The boys tested all methods of pressure, including internal - elections, pseudo-red did not score significant points. The only effective method of influencing them and their accomplices is the Old Testament. Citizens of Russia of perseverance and courage, do not let your head be clogged. You have a perspective, the rest of the post-Soviet space is in doubt. And of course, our people share your grief and grieve with you.
  48. prior
    prior 27 March 2018 14: 08
    0
    Alas, the depravity of the system corrupted us all. Medical fact.
    They learned to speak and make excuses beautifully, unfortunately, vice versa.
  49. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 27 March 2018 14: 28
    +2
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Putin flew to Kemerovo, it says something.

    Release everything on the brakes. And if that, then connect the Rosguard with special equipment.
  50. Stanislas
    Stanislas 27 March 2018 14: 51
    0
    Putin, of course, is responsible for what is happening in the country. However, if someone in your porch constantly shits under the doors of tenants, then you need to look for the one who shits, who is responsible for ensuring that they do not shame in this house and clean it in time. They must be punished so as to change the situation. If instead we wait that Putin will be removed and then the house will be clean, bright and comfortable, then the porch will turn into a public toilet. Those who use the tragedy for the black PR of their political adversary must do the same as with the trapped Ludwig Aristarkhovich.