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Is a terrorist attack being considered in Kemerovo? Commentary of the Emergency Situations Ministry Head

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During the briefing, the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, Vladimir Puchkov, answered the question of whether a version of a terrorist act is considered among the causes of the tragedy in the Kemerovo Zimnyaya Cherny shopping center. According to the Emergency Situations Minister, all possible versions are considered, except for the version of the terrorist act. It is reported by the news agency TASS.


Also, Vladimir Puchkov held an operational meeting, being directly on the site of the largest recent fire (in terms of the number of victims).

Press office The Ministry of Emergency Situations cites the statement of the head of the Ministry:
Among the rescuers, firefighters and other professionals working at the scene, there are no casualties. Unfortunately, as a result of the presence of multilayer overlappings, smoldering in the rubble, it has passed into the active phase. Thermo-points are being spilled, which were previously detected by firefighters.


Is a terrorist attack being considered in Kemerovo? Commentary of the Emergency Situations Ministry Head


It was reported that the mentioned thermal points, the temperature in which reached 800 degrees Celsius, caused the renewal of fire in several areas of the shopping center. At the moment there is no open flame.

The ministry noted that now there is a monitoring of what remains of the Winter Cherry shopping center. The condition of the supporting structures is monitored from the air using unmanned aerial vehicles.

According to Vladimir Puchkov, there is a high probability of a complete collapse of the building due to the sagging of the floor decks.

Recall that the fire killed at least 64 people, including children. From 27 to 29 March, mourning has been declared in the Kemerovo Region.
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  1. MoJloT
    MoJloT 26 March 2018 18: 25
    +4
    Just threw the idea to "Ideally tuned" scumbags!
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 26 March 2018 18: 32
      +51
      The terrorist attacks are already the fact that such structures are being designed that do not provide simple emergency exits for visitors to crisis situations! If only there would be more retail space!
      And in what pocket is the fire inspection signing such projects!
      1. MoJloT
        MoJloT 26 March 2018 18: 37
        +4
        Well, this is a consequence of the question, you and I hardly know whether they were in the plans or were not.
        1. jjj
          jjj 26 March 2018 18: 49
          +21
          And that singed quietly. No explosives, no flammable substances. And no one will say that the attack. I'm afraid that in revenge for the election results, they will start setting fire to Russia from different angles. And now it’s already clear that the tone of the comments boils down to the fact that it is the power, the system that is to blame. And, therefore, the newly elected is to blame
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 26 March 2018 19: 51
            +6
            Quote: jjj
            And that singed quietly. No explosives, no flammable substances. And no one will say that the attack

            Serious security questions, and not only about disabling the fire alarm and other things. Something 90s were remembered. The landlord promised to come and 3 lyamas to each family of victims. And yet, questions to the chop. In Kazan, something similar happened with the Admiral shopping center and beyond. Something too often burn these shopping centers, or it seemed to me? Within a month, where else in Russia was something similar?
            1. For example
              For example 26 March 2018 20: 20
              +12
              Quote: Balu
              Something too often burn these shopping centers, or it seemed to me? Within a month, where else in Russia was something similar?

              Why are you raising a wave of nonsense? Where and when did the shopping malls burn?
              First you say that shopping centers are often lit in Russia, and then you ask where it was for a month. Foulness is at least.
              Woe to the people.
              1. Lynx33
                Lynx33 26 March 2018 20: 55
                +10
                In Kazan, the Admiral shopping center was completely burned down (it burned so that most likely there wasn’t even ash from the dead), one building of the shopping center in Novaya Tur (a suburb of Kazan) and the Vietnamese market. In Moscow, something big burns two or three times a year. And every time it is very much like arson.
                1. Solomon Kane
                  Solomon Kane 26 March 2018 22: 16
                  +15
                  The only trouble we have in Russia is GREED. And more terrible this disaster of natural disasters, terrorists, etc. ....
                  Each building built after the 90th year is a potentially dangerous facility.
                  And here it’s not arson or terrorist attacks, but the most banal gouging and greed.
                  So-called cost optimization, on everything from saving a construction project to attracting “left” private security companies.
                  Water parks, shopping centers, nursing homes, buses with children are burning and collapsing, and those who are really to blame for warm seats are warming ..... and they should hang out on the Kremlin wall with a rope around their neck ......
                  And Frontal spot on Red, should be really frontal, like Tiananmen Square in China .......
              2. Baloo
                Baloo 27 March 2018 02: 45
                +4
                Quote: For example
                Why are you raising a wave of nonsense? Where and when did the shopping malls burn?

                Brother, watch for the bazaar, for info too. We share opinions on the topic. condolences have all expressed either here or on other branches. The issue in the article has been raised seriously. I have great doubts about the non-involvement of the chop.
              3. S-kerrigan
                S-kerrigan 27 March 2018 06: 44
                +1
                Well, actually in my Tomsk about a week before, a similar shopping center caught fire. Shopping center in three floors. The roof caught fire. Quickly put out, no casualties. Fires caught up with course + firefighters. Well, the emergency doors did not work from the very beginning - the first evacuated had problems with this and they went to the main entrance / exit of the carousel type. There was a crush.
              4. bk316
                bk316 27 March 2018 12: 39
                +2
                Why nonsense?

                Last year, RIO burned at Sevastopol in Moscow.
                In appearance, the twin shopping center in Kemerovo
                I saw it burning with my own eyes. Everything worked clearly and the evacuation and firefighters, although there were sessions too and the kids were there. The shopping center is already working.

                And the shopping center Sindika on the Moscow Ring Road burned out, right next to the government quarter.
                There, at least they did everything on time, but it burned out specifically.
            2. zivXP
              zivXP 26 March 2018 22: 19
              +4
              Serious questions for reviewers, especially for reviewers. The names of those who received and verified the object should be identified. And then they turn on the central channels: in the course of the investigation that has begun, the owner of the building has already been determined. Now they will again hang the blame on the switchman. In whose competence is the fire safety control of buildings in the city? The question is always rhetorical.
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            4. Sirocco
              Sirocco 27 March 2018 04: 07
              +1
              Quote: Balu
              Serious security questions, and not only about disabling the fire alarm and other things.

              Last but not least, questions should be raised for protection, since it is not the guards who build and design the buildings, and the guards do not finance such projects, but our businessmen who are trying to save on everything should first take the owner of this institution for the causal place, he’s the head To all this institution, and not managers, he set tasks for specialists on how to save money. not a guard. I was in more than one such center of Ulan Ude, there is not a single escape staircase in any such building, there are parodies of emergency exits that it’s difficult for one person to go through. Although there should be emergency exits to every cinema, they are not. I recall the years of the union, built a new cinema, so there are two entrances, and two exits to the STREET. Now there is no such thing. every way out is money. especially the staircase exit. Thousands of 200 will be worth it. Draw conclusions, five halls, at least five exits, lam economy.
              I’m afraid that they will find switchmen, like in Ulan Ude, after the emergency at school, the directors and teachers were punished, and the family has nothing to do with it, neither law enforcement agencies, nor other controlling bodies, and the AUE thrives, and continue write on the walls. So we’re looking at who will be chosen as switchmen, it’s insulting to stick trees, steal a bag of potatoes will slap the real term, steal the composition of the potato, and you are not judged. (((((
              1. Lynx33
                Lynx33 27 March 2018 06: 53
                +1
                A businessman can save on construction only if he is allowed to do it. Any professional expert will find gross flaws right away and you don’t have to blame everything on the business. Any business in any country in the world tries to minimize its costs. Here, everything is simple - one gave a bribe, the other accepted it. And the bribe taker is a government official. There is no structure in Russia that is professionally fighting bribery, this is the whole trouble.
                1. Sirocco
                  Sirocco 27 March 2018 07: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Lynx33
                  A businessman can save on construction only if he is allowed to do it.

                  Stop making people laugh, I worked from the beginning of the 2000s in a private company that was engaged in expanding production, that is, they were being built, and I don’t need to tell me that someone will not give someone something))))) Floor slabs (hollows) from burnt buildings they shot, set themselves, and the controlling authorities turned a blind eye to this with the help of "paper curtains"))) The workshop was accepted without a hood, and fire extinguishing systems, we agreed with whom it was necessary. Those who agreed later received a prize for saving money. And so in business everywhere. Especially in our wild Russian capitalism.
                  PS
                  The task was initially set, how to save money, and with whom to agree.
          2. Anti-Corr.
            Anti-Corr. 26 March 2018 20: 17
            +7
            Quote: jjj
            And now it’s already clear that the tone of the comments boils down to the fact that it is the power, the system that is to blame. And, therefore, the newly elected is to blame


            and you argue.
          3. Freelancer7
            Freelancer7 26 March 2018 20: 43
            +3
            Newly Chosen? And you, I look so famously spin, maybe now we - the voters are to blame if you continue your thought?
            1. Lynx33
              Lynx33 26 March 2018 21: 14
              +10
              Is it not so? Did a fire inspector who successfully closed his eyes for a bribe on flaws in construction and repair, flew from the moon and is not a voter and someone's neighbor, friend, relative? Or do you still say that it’s not us and you who are to blame for the mess that is going on around you?
          4. Z_G_R
            Z_G_R 26 March 2018 20: 47
            +15
            tremendous logic ... If it were a matter of isolated cases like that, then yes, but our steam will constantly sink, the plane will fall, then something will burn out, then a terrorist attack. And when all these emergency situations occur systematically over many years, the answer is obvious. The power and system that created the conditions for such an emergency are to blame. No matter how unpleasant it is to hear you. And okay, some steps would be visible to improve the situation, as everything was and remains. Now a couple of weeks will pass and forget until the next state of emergency.
            1. Anti-Corr.
              Anti-Corr. 26 March 2018 21: 19
              +7
              Quote: Z_G_R
              The power and system that created the conditions for such an emergency are to blame.

              Definitely! We are disposed of, and we scream "lurking" valiantly sticking our heads under the guillotine.
              1. vlad66
                vlad66 26 March 2018 23: 13
                +10
                Quote: Anti-Corr.
                Quote: Z_G_R
                The power and system that created the conditions for such an emergency are to blame.

                Definitely! We are disposed of, and we scream "lurking" valiantly sticking our heads under the guillotine.

                You give the Maidan, not by washing, so we take power by skating, damn it for the people, the tears did not have time to dry out, they already call on the pancake, not shame, nor conscience.
                1. Z_G_R
                  Z_G_R 27 March 2018 00: 24
                  +8
                  oh .. you were intimidated by this maidan so that you are now ready to poison yourself with slops and burn in cinemas, but never admit guilt for those who are really to blame for this whole vicious system. Nobody calls for Maidan, it is enough for the government to start taking steps for the real good of the country. But nothing is being done, no Maidan will be needed at such a pace, everything will fall apart. Don’t you understand that there is a complete discredit of the authorities, moreover, with the hands of this very authority? By all indicators, the country is sinking, but everyone pretends that everything is cool and cool. 10 years of bright victories, cho .. The most offensive is that there are opportunities for development, even there is support from the people, but apparently there is no desire. And then it will be too late, as always.
                  1. RaptorF22
                    RaptorF22 27 March 2018 02: 22
                    +2
                    Here are the golden words and you won’t add anything
                2. Anti-Corr.
                  Anti-Corr. 27 March 2018 19: 07
                  0
                  Quote: vlad66
                  You give the Maidan, not by washing, so we take power by skating, damn it for the people, the tears did not have time to dry out, they already call on the pancake, not shame, nor conscience.

                  I once saw how, when hitting the side of the T-62, the tower flew 30 meters away. When we "approached" the burnt tank, it smelled of burnt diesel fuel and really "shish kebabs", then I couldn’t eat shish kebab for ten years, I didn’t get into my throat .... And what are you talking about?
          5. NordOst16
            NordOst16 26 March 2018 21: 09
            +11
            Isn’t that so? We have been harnessing since 2009.
            There is a very interesting saying:
            "Never attribute malice to that which is entirely due to incompetence."
            I can say with a 95% probability that checks about the whole trance will run, they will find that they close a couple of shopping centers, they will make a loud investigation, they will find a scapegoat and ... everything, everything will remain so.
            And no one doubts that this is a system (I am about the quality of inspections, corruption), although what I say, it was probably an order from the Pentagon.
            Well, thank God that Putin was elected, he’ll definitely figure it out, otherwise 18 years was a mess
          6. the most important
            the most important 26 March 2018 21: 47
            +7
            Quote: jjj
            I'm afraid that in revenge for the election results, they will start setting fire to Russia from different angles. And now it’s already clear that the tone of the comments boils down to the fact that it is the power, the system that is to blame. And, therefore, the newly elected is to blame

            In the country, an ordinary mess .. or what is it called in your opinion, when the emergency exits are closed? But the Ministry of Emergency Situations inspectors saw this ??? But this is an object with a massive stay of citizens. There fire evacuation plans MUST be! And the actions of all the staff and a bunch of responsible people are painted ... and not only in case of fire, the plan, but also for anti-terrorism protection, and such objects are subject to a QUARTERLY check by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergencies and the prosecutor's office. And who is responsible for the mess in the country ??? In your opinion, the switchman! And the question should be raised about the IMMEDIATE resignation of the head of the Ministry of Emergencies and the entire leadership of the Ministry of Emergencies and the prosecutor's office in the Kemerovo region. And then, all the doors throughout the country will always be open.
            1. Ushly_bashkort
              Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 07: 03
              +1
              In our homes, evacuation and emergency exits, as prescribed by the Ministry of Internal Affairs (!!!), are closed as part of the fight against ISIS, so as not to creep insidiously. Yes, a natural mess.
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      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 32
        +3
        Quote: Starover_Z
        The terrorist attacks are already the fact that such structures are being designed that do not provide simple emergency exits for visitors to crisis situations!

        such a structure was designed for another, the designers did not even think that there would be a shopping center
        1. Ushly_bashkort
          Ushly_bashkort 27 March 2018 07: 08
          +2
          Now fools of all stripes will begin to howl that the stupid Bolsheviks did not foresee the conversion of factories into merchants.
      3. zloybond
        zloybond 26 March 2018 23: 06
        +4
        Well, I don’t know about the President. But it really got furious on the news that the Minister of Emergencies went there on behalf of the President. It turns out Shoigu just broke and rode. And this hoopoe was waiting for an assignment. And I definitely think that the fault is primarily on the Minister of Emergencies. The city has such buildings, and special machines for extinguishing them, etc. no. He knew and did not order, and the Mayor, as the head of the local emergency commission, also knew and did not order. The same fault on him.
      4. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 27 March 2018 00: 11
        +6
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And in what pocket is the fire inspection signing such projects!

        Yuri! I know Puchkov personally — not his specifically — his father. I knew. It seems to me that if Volodya said - then it is so .....
      5. Simargl
        Simargl 27 March 2018 06: 56
        +1
        Quote: Starover_Z
        similar structures are designed that do not provide for simple emergency exits
        Rosguard as an anti-terrorist measure, forced to hang more locks on all unused exits. And who after that bоthe best supporter of terrorism: a terrorist who may appear, but rather not, or a stupid official who will cause at least a stampede in almost any situation?
        Quote: Starover_Z
        And in what pocket is the fire inspection signing such projects!
        In your pocket.
      6. yuliatreb
        yuliatreb 27 March 2018 14: 35
        0
        There is a small fraction of truth in your thoughts, for some reason in our country everything is through one place, from the beginning we are completely fenced off, then we make hasty conclusions, we begin to check, then we double-check and it goes on without any reason, every sane person initially had a thought, that this tragedy could have been avoided if, and here .......
        Quote: Starover_Z
        The terrorist attacks are already the fact that such structures are being designed that do not provide simple emergency exits for visitors to crisis situations! If only there would be more retail space!
        And in what pocket is the fire inspection signing such projects!

        This list of the so-called terrorists you can go on and on. Only this will not change the essence. Tough measures are needed here, not lisp, all of us got to the marrow of our bones an invisible fight against corruption, which once again dealt a terrifying blow.
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 26 March 2018 18: 55
      +4
      Quote: MoJloT
      Just threw the idea to "Ideally tuned" scumbags!

      We have enough political scumbagsThe owner of the Winter Cherry shopping center, burnt out in Kemerovo, was arrested by Nadezhda Suddenok, Telegram channel 112 reports.
      It is noted that she was detained as a suspect. According to the fact of a fire in the shopping center, a criminal case was initiated under Articles 109, 219 and 238 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. But this owner is 40% of the shopping center, by the way, a cinema and a game roomThe IC will interrogate the famous Russian billionaire Denis Shtengelov in the case of a fire in the shopping center "Winter Cherry" in Kemerovo.
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 26 March 2018 19: 19
      +25
      Do not cover the Ministry of Emergencies shopping centers, there would be less fires. This is how our system of control and supervision from top to bottom is arranged. But the most affected, as always, was Tuleyev. For his governorship, he “passed through his heart” many hundreds of miners who died in accidents. After the incident in Perm, the entire government resigned, and the Member of the Supreme Council of EP belongs to the category of “unsinkable”. By the way, the Kemerovo organized crime group that appeared in his reign was the most cruel in the entire West Siberian region. Now they live in Cyprus, and the enterprises squeezed for a penny have become shopping centers that they rent.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 26 March 2018 19: 35
        +14
        Quote: siberalt
        the most affected as always was Tuleyev

        This is still that mafia. How many people died during his governorship is just awful. Another would have long been for corruption and organized crime groups sat for life. But this all the time manages to get out of the water dry.
        And his last statement about an allegedly deceased relative and a demand for the owners of the shopping center to pay 3 million to the victims altogether cynicism.
        1. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
          Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 26 March 2018 20: 34
          0
          His relative really died there.
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 26 March 2018 21: 34
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        Do not cover the Ministry of Emergencies shopping centers, there would be less fires. That's how our system of control and supervision from bottom to top is arranged

        The system really does not work very well, but the EMERCOM has nothing to do with it. Winter cherry last time on pozh. safety was checked in the 15th year, and since the law small businesses can not be checked for 3 years, the next check should be only this year. But! small business was framed illegally and this allowed owners to evade firefighter inspections. Needless to say that there are no rules. they simply didn’t observe safety (after all, no one checks the freebie!) The Ministry of Emergencies simply did not have the right to check the Winter Cherry! They talked about it on TV. Corruption and greed of entrepreneurs killed people. And the tenant of the 3rd and 4th floors was this Nadezhda Suddenok (pictured above)
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 26 March 2018 18: 28
    +20
    The basic version, as is most often the case: overlapping different forms of gouging.
    1. svp67
      svp67 26 March 2018 18: 31
      +5
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The basic version, as is most often the case: overlapping different forms of gouging.

      And just that? Yes ... so we just won’t put things in order where. And what are our legislators, what is the prime minister? Isn’t it time to HARDEN the punishment for such incidents?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 26 March 2018 18: 34
        +9
        Quote: svp67
        And just that? Yes ... so we just won’t put things in order where. And what are our legislators, what is the prime minister? Isn’t it time to HARDEN the punishment for such incidents?

        Everything in the heap just led to what it led to: a guard who turned off the signaling, closed fire exits; jambs in the design of the center itself.
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 March 2018 18: 36
          +4
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Everything in the heap just led to what it led to: a guard who turned off the signaling, closed fire exits; jambs in the design of the center itself.

          Wait, but even in this statement you can already see the guilt of officials, and not just one. Will they be asked? So until this happens, there will be no order
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 26 March 2018 18: 38
            +13
            Quote: svp67
            Wait, but even in this statement you can already see the guilt of officials, and not just one. Will they be asked? So until this happens, there will be no order

            Yes, this is understandable, but instead of tightening it, we must first learn to punish. And with the inevitability of punishment, we feel bad. recourse
        2. Volodin
          Volodin 26 March 2018 18: 45
          +22
          Quote: Vladimirets
          guard who turned off signalcu

          This statement was originally published by those who have no idea what a modern fire alarm system is. It is impossible to simply take and disable it, if it is initially properly configured. "Artificial" shutdown of one segment will automatically lead to triggering in another, etc. It simply will not allow itself to be turned off and will “insist” on a duplicate signal. Here is another question - who set up (or "altered") this signaling, if it completely lacked "fool protection"?

          And with your first comment about overlapping layers of a star, I agree completely
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 26 March 2018 18: 57
            +16
            Quote: Volodin
            It is not possible to simply turn it on and off if it is initially configured correctly. "

            The security guard or the operator of video surveillance systems and the automatic alarm system will not be able to turn off the fully automatic system, of course, but to perform RESET (REMOVAL) of the automatic alarm sensor and, accordingly, the warning signal is complete, otherwise, in case of false positives, the contractor servicing the automatic alarm system would have to be constantly called. The question is not that he reset (turned off) one of the linear sensors, but what warning measures and reports were taken according to his instructions, and does the instruction itself correspond to the actual conditions of actions in case of fire, and this is not a question for the guard and his superiors.
          2. AleksPol
            AleksPol 26 March 2018 18: 58
            +18
            SNiP 31-06-2009, "children's play areas should be placed no higher than the second floor and no further than 20 meters from the evacuation exit

            RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/society/20180326/1517262856.html
            That's where the sloppiness started. Why and who allowed to operate the center? These officials must be taken and tried for Faberge.
            And on TV they don’t talk about it yet
            1. jjj
              jjj 26 March 2018 19: 14
              +12
              And look at how many citizens from countries where you can easily become an adherent of extremist movements work in shopping centers throughout Russia
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 26 March 2018 20: 57
              +5
              Quote: AleksPol
              SNiP 31-06-2009

              Yes, I don’t care now for everyone on SNiPs. I have a major overhaul at my house, including sewer risers, cast-iron for plastic ones. So, according to the rules for plastic risers have put fire couplings. The overhaul fund answered my comments. That SNiPs are advisory in nature, and nothing more. There are rules. but it’s not necessary to execute them. Those. it all depends on the good faith of contractors and customers. request
              1. AleksPol
                AleksPol 26 March 2018 21: 11
                +1
                Madhouse
            3. the most important
              the most important 26 March 2018 22: 04
              +2
              Quote: AleksPol
              AleksPol (Alexander) Today, 18:58 ↑
              SNiP 31-06-2009, "children's play areas should be placed no higher than the second floor and no further than 20 meters from the evacuation exit
              RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/society/20180326/1517262856.html
              That's where the sloppiness started. Why and who allowed to operate the center? These officials must be taken and tried for Faberge.
              And on TV they don’t talk about it yet

              And they must say that neither the Ministry of Emergencies, nor the prosecutor’s office checked the observance of the law in the place of mass stay of citizens? And then what did they do ??? And then who is to blame for what happened ??? Who is required to organize the work of their departments ??? And why then are these ministers ???
      2. ivagulin
        ivagulin 26 March 2018 20: 07
        +1
        not only yet we DO NOT SHOW BUSINESS
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 March 2018 18: 29
    +4
    Well, maybe not a terrorist attack, but intentional destruction of property can take place! The center didn’t pay off, didn’t give a good profit - that’s it and let the “red rooster” go, in order to break the loot on insurance! And they did everything clumsily, and with huge sacrifices!
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 26 March 2018 21: 49
      0
      The destruction of property in a socially dangerous way involving mass murder is something new in criminal law. Although, an excess of the performer is quite possible.winked
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 March 2018 18: 30
    +1
    Once again, I sincerely degenerate my condolences to the families of those who suffered and died! !!
  5. Dormidont
    Dormidont 26 March 2018 18: 32
    +3
    If it comes up that this is truly a non-fraudulent attack, the consequences are hard to imagine.
  6. roofing hedgehog
    roofing hedgehog 26 March 2018 18: 33
    +8
    Yes, no, not a terrorist attack, but simply our homegrown "businessmen" - the cops built a hut and press the loot in any way, and when they take it. right away they raise a howl. it’s a pity that the children just died .. for it it’s hard to punish, otherwise they’ll start to shit stalls and small businessmen instead of real work .. they’re “putting things in order” .. so let down these businessmen not as “entailing .. .... "but as a" deliberate ..... "and we will look at really putting things in order or again blah blah.
  7. Dezinto
    Dezinto 26 March 2018 18: 34
    +8
    If the surveillance authorities for the twenty put in a daddy turn a blind eye to any violations, then what generally can be expected?
    Shopping center with a children's playroom - in the building of the FORMER FACTORY !!!! where the windows are tiny and their minimum! HOW SO! ?? !! Yoklmn !!!
  8. GABALIS
    GABALIS 26 March 2018 18: 39
    +7
    The guard is hollowed out by the bosses or the leadership of the shopping center, so that the alarm would not be screamed during false alarms ... I myself witnessed this, and sometimes we turn off the brain so that the dispatcher could not endure .... many coincidences, condolences to the dead.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 26 March 2018 18: 42
      +14
      The guard is hollowed by the bosses or the leadership of the shopping center, so that the alarm would not scream at false
      This is idiocy!
      Let the alarm scream, let it rush at least every day as if stung in the ass, train, and check the emergency exits, so that such nightmare would not happen !!

      But this is of course fantastic, what am I talking about, what kind of training and briefings !?
      Everything will continue in the same spirit. More lattices for all exits, brew everything, lock everything and figs knows where the keys are, the main thing is to have more people, more money, turn off the alarm system altogether! - why distract people from shopping !?
      ... and safety is remembered only on the day of the tragedy !!!
  9. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 26 March 2018 18: 46
    +4
    Now I just watched the news, and there the terrorist attack was listed in the main versions, as well as a fault in the electrical wiring and unintentional arson. It’s just not the Ministry of Emergencies that conducts the investigation, but the relevant departments. The Ministry of Emergencies will determine the cause of the fire, but people will figure out where the legs grow from. completely different uniforms.
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 26 March 2018 19: 34
      0
      Quote: Xscorpion
      Now I just watched the news, and there the terrorist attack was listed in the main versions, as well as a fault in the electrical wiring and unintentional arson. It’s just not the Ministry of Emergencies that conducts the investigation, but the relevant departments. The Ministry of Emergencies will determine the cause of the fire, but people will figure out where the legs grow from. completely different uniforms.

      I agree with you, everything that can be said, the rest will be closed to persons not related to the investigation ....
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 26 March 2018 18: 49
    +5
    In this case, owners who want to get as much profit as possible with minimal investment are worse than any terrorist! In vain, they stopped being nightmare by fire inspections. And the inspectors "entering" the position for a small bribe and businessmen saving nightmares and nightmares on safety!
    1. Vard
      Vard 26 March 2018 20: 10
      +7
      For three hundred percent profit is not a crime for which capital cannot decide ... Karl Marx ...
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 23: 04
        +1
        Quote: Vard
        Karl Marx...

        truth for the sake of Marx this was not said by the author of the statement Thomas Joseph Dunning - English trade unionist
  11. senima56
    senima56 26 March 2018 18: 53
    +5
    If there was a terrorist act, we won’t know about it! Most likely (and as always) will be attributed to the "human factor". Two to three will be given a term (possibly conditional) .... "and silence"! For some reason, gas continues to explode in apartments in Russia, although they do not explode in other countries of the former Union! Centers burn, also more often and more only in Russia ... And all the "human factor"! To say "terrorist attack" means to admit that the state cannot protect the population! Is this possible? The "human factor" is a convenient form to hide its failure. And Mr. Puchkov, if he were a decent person, would resign! Yes, where there!
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 26 March 2018 19: 27
      +9
      Quote: senima56
      For some reason, gas continues to explode in apartments only in Russia, although in other countries of the former Soviet Union they do not explode!

      Very strange statement ... At least.

      "There was a gas explosion in the capital of Azerbaijan"
      https://russian.rt.com/ussr/news/474603-baku-vzry
      v

      Near Kiev in the house gas exploded, there are victims
      https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/3876519-pod-kye
      vom-v-dome-vzorvalsia-haz-est-postradavshye

      And this is not from the former Union:

      "Four people were injured in a gas explosion in Germany"
      https://rg.ru/2017/11/19/pri-vzryve-gaza-v-german
      ii-postradali-chetyre-cheloveka.html

      "One person died as a result of an explosion, presumably, domestic gas in Germany"
      http://tass.ru/proisshestviya/1527852

      In the US, a dwelling house was torn to pieces due to a gas leak
      http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1333656/

      And the list goes on from Canada to China.
    2. midivan
      midivan 26 March 2018 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: senima56
      If there was a terrorist act, we won’t know about it!

      We find out.
      Quote: senima56
      Two or three will be given a term (possibly conditional) .... "and silence"!

      And some kind of "lad" from ISIS (ban ...) will take responsibility and attach the video, and you have already sent two or three, it won’t work out ....
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 28 March 2018 11: 47
      0
      Stop talking nonsense! Something is burning all over the world, something is exploding. Enough scarecrow from Russia to do something! And in France, gas exploded in apartment buildings, and in England, one fire claimed more than 70 lives. Stop it!
  12. loginovich
    loginovich 26 March 2018 18: 54
    +1
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    The tragedy in Kemerovo ... 15 minutes on the network and I learned about all the founders of the shopping center, the scheme for the receipt of money for the construction, their origin and where the profit went, the degree of relationship of all those guilty with Putin and their influence on the election results. What a shaft of information including revelatory is yet to come, a bunch of criticism and calls to punish. It’s a pity that Putin didn’t personally open this shopping center to the kindergarten then there would be MUCH more questions and attention ...
    As I understand it, the information about the “mismatch” of the shopping center was known to everyone, including those who blame the authorities - why didn’t they sound the alarm before everyone who throws lightning and thunder? Why doesn’t Medvedev say that the arson was carried out using English matches before the examination? I have a lot of reasons, including to the local authorities. Thousands of citizens, opposition, experts and journalists have questions about power.

    But I’m talking about something else ... about a similar tragedy in Odessa (thank God not with such consequences) ...
    Having looked through the same 15 minutes sources which describe both the tragedy itself and everything that happened after it, I have not found an answer to a rough list of questions in my head. Maybe not looking there? Below is a link to the results of anyone attracted.
    BUT ... where is the money? Where are the beneficiaries? Where are the guilty except ordinary? Where is the stiff hand of the opener? Where is the head of the chief? Where, where, where ???
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 26 March 2018 19: 04
      +2
      Quote: loginovich
      (thank God not with such consequences) ...

      Video from Kemerovo itself.
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      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 26 March 2018 21: 07
        0
        Infa of course a lot of different, but the government itself gives rise to speculation. This is at least.
        Relatives are given the bodies of the dead only after a receipt of non-disclosure.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 23: 01
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          but power itself gives rise to speculation.

          so that speculation is not needed censorship is needed, and alarmists should be put to the wall
  13. gorunov
    gorunov 26 March 2018 19: 31
    +2
    Exactly a week ago, almost at the same time, a similar center in Emerald City was burning in Tomsk. The top floor also burned.

    Why the guard turned off the alarm, why the emergency exits were closed. There are a lot of questions to refuse the version about the attack.

    PS Coincidence? - No I do not think so.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 26 March 2018 20: 23
      +3
      Quote: gorunov
      why emergency exits were closed.

      Did you go to the movies as a kid? They lock that they wouldn’t run from the street. Greedy owners, that's all. In the Union, anyone could always open these exits.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 23: 00
        +2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Did you go to the movies as a kid? They lock that they wouldn’t run from the street

        only at the same time the guardian always sat on a stool by the door
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 26 March 2018 23: 10
          +1
          We had 10 minutes, and then left. And even minutes 5. And so in the 2 cinemas, where we went all the time. And constantly the grandmother was sitting near the entrance, and not at the exit, so that smaller from one room to another chastali.
  14. Ferdinant
    Ferdinant 26 March 2018 19: 47
    +2
    Greed and negligence.
  15. bumerang.
    bumerang. 26 March 2018 20: 02
    0
    I do not believe that this is not a terrorist attack, this is a terrorist act disguised as a fire. In the same way, people burned in Odessa. This is the work of Bandera. But of course the sloppiness of leadership.
    Builders and service staff from Ukraine, they forgave everything. Set fire to those who worked there before. Those who fought in Syria and those who do not agree with the government.
    How rejoicing and gloating on the censor.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 26 March 2018 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: bumerang.
      I do not believe that this is not a terrorist attack, this is a terrorist act disguised as a fire

      A terrorist attack without recognition of responsibility is not a tract, for any terrorist attack is a kind of challenge to the authorities.
      But attributing to a terrorist act the gouging of certain individuals is very convenient for these individuals.
      An example - during the reconstruction of the shopping center "Rus on the Volga" in Togliatti, two safety engineers quit. reconstruction was carried out with huge violations of TB.
      P.S. I work on plumbing, and we often hide pipes in load-bearing walls at the request of the customer, cutting through and hollowing out the load-bearing elements of the building. I refuse - they will find others, but I will be left without work. request
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 23: 00
      +3
      Quote: bumerang.
      This is the work of Bandera

      don't be foolish
  16. wax
    wax 26 March 2018 20: 03
    +2
    Private engineering, private expertise, plus irresponsible exploitation. And how many such buildings did “outstanding managers” build?
  17. Sewer krainiy
    Sewer krainiy 26 March 2018 20: 04
    +2
    Quote: Ascetic
    Quote: Volodin
    It is not possible to simply turn it on and off if it is initially configured correctly. "

    The security guard or the operator of video surveillance systems and the automatic alarm system will not be able to turn off the fully automatic system, of course, but to perform RESET (REMOVAL) of the automatic alarm sensor and, accordingly, the warning signal is complete, otherwise, in case of false positives, the contractor servicing the automatic alarm system would have to be constantly called. The question is not that he reset (turned off) one of the linear sensors, but what warning measures and reports were taken according to his instructions, and does the instruction itself correspond to the actual conditions of actions in case of fire, and this is not a question for the guard and his superiors.


    I believe in Russia and Belarus the requirements for fire alarms are the same. APS is displayed on the guard panel and the panel of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the city without the right to disable loops. Yes, and you can’t turn it off, you can only cut off the power to the device, but right away there will be a call from the console. In the event of a trip, simultaneously with the alarm, the signal is sent to the Emergencies Ministry console. Within two minutes, the guard must inspect the place where the sensor was triggered and report the reasons to the console. Sometimes it happened - you come running from the inspection, and the phone from the remote control of the Ministry of Emergencies is already yelling ... So they ran ... and immediately an electrician to the object. Once I had to inspect far and long. I come - at the gates of the fire stand. They tried to run over, but they themselves passed, examined, timed out - they fell behind. My opinion is that they have already found one extreme.
  18. Vard
    Vard 26 March 2018 20: 07
    +4
    Now they do not pronounce the word sabotage ... meanwhile, the phenomenon is becoming more widespread ... It seems time to introduce a criminal article for this ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 59
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      Looks like it's time to introduce a criminal article for this ...

      it seems time to the Office to deal with their direct duties if we do not want the Maidan
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    1. vlad66
      vlad66 26 March 2018 20: 57
      +4
      Quote: Rumpelstiltskin
      This is Putin's fault.

      Yeah personally set fire to it. fool fool
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 58
        +2
        Quote: vlad66
        Yeah personally set fire to it.

        still blocked the doors and turned off the alarm
  20. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
    Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 26 March 2018 20: 43
    0
    Quote: Viktor.12.71
    Quote: loginovich
    (thank God not with such consequences) ...

    Video from Kemerovo itself.

    Today was in Kemerovo. Friends in the police talked about numbers very close to official. They assumed that there would be about 100. These commentators in the beginning, who are they? Who owns the voices? I think it will not be difficult to make lists of the dead.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 57
      0
      Quote: Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
      Who owns the voices?

      the question is not to whom they belong, but what will happen next and whether we will allow the second 17 and 91 and whether they will remove “sunstroke 2” in a hundred years
  21. Mihail55
    Mihail55 26 March 2018 20: 51
    +3
    I wonder why it is impossible to come to such a simple and logical decision - CLOSE all the shopping centers throughout the country. And their full re-registration. Pass ... well, no ... so be it! Are all these "losses" of the lives of the dead ... and especially the children? ... God rest, the souls of the dead ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 55
      +1
      Quote: Michael55
      I wonder why it is impossible to come to such a simple and logical decision - CLOSE all the shopping centers throughout the country.

      Tuleyev didn’t even want to close, but simply limited the trade margin and they didn’t give
      in our country, the revelry of private owners is not permissible; there must be a balance between state enterprises and private structures
  22. Operator
    Operator 26 March 2018 21: 00
    +1
    A security guard on duty at the fire alarm panel manually turned it off after receiving a signal from smoke detectors.

    Terrorist attack or terrorist attack?
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 54
      0
      Quote: Operator
      Terrorist attack or terrorist attack?

      after three weeks we find out if the repetition means ...
  23. Bort radist
    Bort radist 26 March 2018 21: 01
    +3
    The list is painful to read ...
    Alimova Yana, 42 years old

    Alimova Ruslana, 5 years old
    Arkhipenko Stanislav, 31 years old

    Arkhipenko Victoria, 5 years old

    Sypko Elizabeth,

    Darsalia Tatyana

    Chernikova Vilena, 11 years old

    Trusova Veronika, 8 years

    Trusova Vasilisa, 5 years

    Chmykhalov Vadim, 10 years old

    Teslenko Arina

    Frost Maria, 13 years old

    Frost Polina, 35 years old

    Ponushkova Veronika

    Pochakina Victoria

    Bakhaev Anna

    Saraeva Dasha

    Ushakova Lisa

    Agarkova Masha, 10 years

    Agarkov Kostya, 8 years

    Klein Anfisa, 30 years old

    Zakunova Victoria, 11 years old

    Erokhina Maya, 12 years old

    Lillevyali Valery, 5 years old

    Ivanchik Artemy

    Mukhin Rotibor, 6 years old

    Kurchevskaya Tatyana, 11 years old

    Smirnova Nastya, 11 years old

    Kogan Alexander, 10 years old

    Nikulin Vyacheslav, 10 years old

    Vostrikov Artem, 5 years

    Vostrikov Roman, 2 of the year

    Vostrikova Anna, 7 years

    Galanin Mikhail, 10 years old

    Galanin Dmitry

    Baranov Artem, 12 years old

    Baranova Arina
    It annoys that two cinemas had closed exits and people could not exit. The kids called talked about it. Resetting the sensor can be done, but not the entire system. Everything burned, the elevators worked. Many questions.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 26 March 2018 21: 24
      0
      You can go crazy! How did adults abandon their children; doesn’t that fit in my head?
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 53
        +3
        Quote: NordUral
        How did adults abandon their children; doesn’t that fit in my head?

        What do you mean dropped out?
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    1. NordUral
      NordUral 26 March 2018 21: 26
      +3
      One gang upstairs all over the world, it's time to understand already. Sometimes they squabble among themselves (Russia is like a highlight here). And ordinary people all over the world perish.
  25. LASVEGAS
    LASVEGAS 26 March 2018 21: 11
    0
    Quote: Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
    His relative really died there.

    Thanks to the deceased relative, they will pay the other victims. If "thanks" is appropriate at this stage
  26. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 26 March 2018 21: 12
    +14
    It is necessary to build factories and factories, and not TRK and TRK. There is nowhere to spit - only "cherries" and "horses" around. Traders and security guards. A normal job in the afternoon with fire can not be found!
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 53
      +3
      Quote: 16112014nk
      It is necessary to build factories and factories, and not TRK and TRK.

      the profitability of the plant is 10-15%, but the design capacity will be released in 4-6 years
      the traders immediately return a profit of 100%
      until the STATE begins to fulfill its direct functions, there will be no sense
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 27 March 2018 13: 52
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        the traders immediately return a profit of 100%

        Yes, and this is not enough!
        "Capital ... at 100% it violates all human laws, at 300% there is no such crime that he would not dare to commit" ....
        And live in Australia. The greed and greed of the merchants is endless!
  27. NordUral
    NordUral 26 March 2018 21: 12
    +3
    Most likely, the greed is still the greed of the merchants who drive their children to the upper floors so that parents go through as many outlets along the way as possible. Yes, and our gouging here plays a small role.
    I’m not talking about the fire control, the same system of haircuts for entrepreneurs.
    But very quickly flared up, something is wrong here. So for such an assumption there is no reason not to consider.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 51
      0
      Quote: NordUral
      But very quickly flared up, something is wrong here.

      everything is so, all around chemistry, wall panels are attached not closely creating powerful traction, in Astana, somehow, the high-rise from top to bottom burned out in a couple of hours
  28. Bort radist
    Bort radist 26 March 2018 21: 12
    0
    Not the worst, it is clear that the light is on, the fire system is silent, water is not sprayed.
  29. LASVEGAS
    LASVEGAS 26 March 2018 21: 15
    0
    Quote: Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
    His relative really died there.

    If such a word is appropriate, it is precisely THANKS to the deceased relative of Tuleyev that the others will be paid.
  30. TOR2
    TOR2 26 March 2018 22: 00
    +4
    Just look at how everything was organized in this center without exception. The power supply line was one. As soon as she was knocked out, darkness fell. The source of ignition seems to have been hidden at first, and when it broke out it began to grow rapidly. There was no mention of a fire system there, otherwise the ampoules blocking the water in the pipes would burst immediately. An emergency light alarm with flashing beacons that allows you not to lose orientation in dark rooms where there are no windows, apparently for the organizers seemed overkill. In the video from the surveillance camera of the children's room, all this is visible.
    https://vk.com/video363071581_456239086
    The fire in the "Lame Horse" gentlemen did not teach anything. am
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 48
      +2
      Quote: TOR2
      As soon as she was knocked out, darkness fell.

      the darkness would have come all one, according to the rules would have de-energized, natural lighting was not at all honored, it was tape glazing in the shops, and the shops were designed as shops and not remodeled from factories and warehouses, besides so much chemistry in the decoration the video there, even with lighting, but without oxygen masks, no one had a chance to survive
    2. Dezinto
      Dezinto 26 March 2018 22: 48
      +1
      The fire in the "Lame Horse" gentlemen did not teach anything

      "Gentlemen" packed their bags with packs of money. And they didn’t hear about light paths in case of fire .... from the coast of some Indian Ocean or on a cruise ship it is hard to hear about fire safety in the shopping center for milking money! am
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 49
      0
      Quote: TOR2
      An emergency light alarm with flashing beacons that allows you not to lose orientation in dark rooms where there are no windows, apparently for the organizers seemed overkill.

      in the thought that it was there it is useless not to mention that you suffocate in 20 meters
  31. Hiw
    Hiw 26 March 2018 22: 07
    0
    a natural attack, and the terrorists are the whole government, what are they? the lame horse wasn’t enough ??? without bribes at all levels, it is impossible to blame such violations of fire safety ...... no matter what nonsense they were carrying there from TV screens, even a fool can understand - the whole government and all officials are mired in corruption, well, there can be so many violations in a row .. Yes, you go to any shopping center - you’ll find a horseradish fire extinguisher ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 45
      +1
      Quote: HIW
      Without bribes at all levels, such violations of fire safety are impossible to blink .....

      I’m reading and thinking about how many people like you who consider their main goal to be gagging without even understanding the essence of the topic.
      you generally know that a moratorium has been imposed on the checks (I will not say that this is idiocy) but this is a fact there simply were no checks, but you have already caught everyone in bribes.
      Can you start thinking before running to the square with a poster?
  32. Hiw
    Hiw 26 March 2018 22: 13
    +1
    Quote: 16112014nk
    It is necessary to build factories and factories, and not TRK and TRK. There is nowhere to spit - only "cherries" and "horses" around. Traders and security guards. A normal job in the afternoon with fire can not be found!

    Yeah, and 76% for Putin ..... and he will continue in the same vein. When the people understand - the fish goes out of their head, and everyone who voted for him - look now for which "cherry" you voted for
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 39
      +2
      Quote: HIW
      look now for what "cherry" you voted

      I understand that Putin personally blocked the doors and then lay down on the road so that firefighters couldn’t come
      1. Starmaster
        Starmaster 27 March 2018 00: 19
        +1
        That you pay any attention to the trollin stinks of such for 3 verses.
  33. aud13
    aud13 26 March 2018 22: 18
    +1
    Condolences to the relatives of the victims.

    One thing is not clear to me.
    It is clear that businessmen from trade and rent often do not give a damn about all safety rules and they can enter into a conspiracy with employees of controlling organizations.
    But why it is impossible to attract the population to compliance with fire safety rules. After all, you can’t put a fireman at every shopping center. and hang up fire safety rules in prominent places and indicate phones by which you can call and report violations of these rules (Closed doors of emergency exits, lack of fire extinguishers and other tools, blocked passages, faulty electrical equipment, etc.). So that citizens who are primarily interested in complying with all fire safety standards, for their own preservation, after seeing violations can call and report violations.
    Is it hard to do?
    Why, for example, on shuttle buses they write that "If the driver of this bus violated the rules of the road, then call !!!!!". And in these cases this cannot be done. In this case, it seems to me that not a single inspector subscribes to - to close their eyes to the recorded violation, because in the case of such an emergency, the responsibility for him personally can be very severe.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 27 March 2018 03: 07
      0
      Everyone on everything and everyone on ..... you guess right?

      Here is one example for you, and be surprised .....- everyone on .... sneeze!



      The main thing is smoking is forbidden - well, they were saved and warned. And in the event of a fire, there is a maximum of flammable liquid around, ........ I Herrrr knows how the relevant authorities take it !!!!! request
  34. Hiw
    Hiw 26 March 2018 22: 20
    0
    Quote: vlad66
    Quote: Rumpelstiltskin
    This is Putin's fault.

    Yeah personally set fire to it. fool fool

    Yes - he personally, personally covers his friends who steal our oil and gas, he personally covers corruption in the upper echelons of power, he personally sold the territories for plunder to the Chinese (tor), he personally turns a blind eye to corruption throughout the country pretending to be fighting her, and as a result, these officials took the shopping center into operation - HE PERSONALLY BURN THE WINTER CHERRY !!!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 26 March 2018 22: 32
      +6
      Quote: HIW
      Yes - he personally, personally ...

      Quote: HIW
      ... I personally was at the Grudinin state farm, I personally spoke with people ...

      And you are the daughter of an officer, and all of you are so ... ambiguous.
      Personally laughing
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 37
      0
      Quote: HIW
      he personally covers corruption in the upper echelons of power, he personally sold the territories for plunder to the Chinese (tor)

      ready to go to a protest?
  35. iouris
    iouris 26 March 2018 22: 25
    +2
    This is not the last. You need to know the history of Russia. So overthrew tsarism.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 37
      +4
      it’s very similar to everything in the topic, the West is preparing an opinion about Mordor, tragedies can come on the road, people will leave and the streets will support them against the terrible tyrant killing people with chemical weapons in Land - ALL THE CURTAIN.
  36. noodles
    noodles 26 March 2018 22: 31
    +2
    Like a grandfather of five grandchildren, all these explanations are a breeze to me. But as a person who has lived more than 80, I understand that the cause of this tragedy is not one - here is a whole bunch of problems! In my opinion, the most important thing is the thirst for LIVING and for its sake do not care about everything — at children — at fire rules — at CONSCIENCE — at elementary RESPONSIBILITY! The second thing we don’t hear is customary to say — complete professional bankruptcy — the wildest illiteracy of all employees — their moral dishonesty — the loss of work pride and the lowest discipline! What control is there when you can give grandmas and you will have both a diploma and a license and a building permit and for designing and for the absence of a fire alarm! Now about control - Any inspection is not able to objectively control its department — it should be independent! I offer my condolences to all the Kemerovo citizens; there is no worse grief than losing your children!
  37. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 March 2018 22: 34
    +1
    I don’t know whether it is a terrorist attack or not, but if in the coming weeks something like this is repeated you can safely say that yes
    if you read social networks, ear, etc. then the hairs stand on end from a possible perspective of the situation
  38. gorunov
    gorunov 26 March 2018 22: 50
    +2
    already the third shopping center:
    Tomsk: Emerald City
    Kemerovo: Winter Cherry
    Belgorod: Satellite

    draw your own conclusions ...

    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 26 March 2018 22: 53
      +2
      Afigeeet !!!
      In the list of my fad one more.
      Figs, I will once again lead the niece to the cinema, in these boxes with people! Well, nafig! so relax on the sea, fresh air and space. !!
      Haha! and before, a large crowd of people did not like, but now even more so!
  39. Charik
    Charik 26 March 2018 23: 07
    0
    yes sales if so - hell is recognized
  40. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 27 March 2018 00: 20
    +1
    Yeah, and 76% for Putin ..... and he will continue in the same vein.

    Enough already ... X ... carry. Start with yourself, tomorrow when you go to take the children to a kindergarten or to school, go in and see, I assure you a lot of new things. Raise the "howl to heaven" that there is no fucking fit and the children do not know where to run and what to do in such situations. And then all someone interferes and is to blame, go down to the ground, while we ourselves do no one will help.
  41. tomket
    tomket 27 March 2018 01: 48
    +1
    Speaking of the terrorist attack. In the video, which captures the moment of ignition, three minutes are cut out immediately before the ignition. If there was no terrorist attack, why do such clippings?
    1. nikolaev
      nikolaev 27 March 2018 02: 11
      +1
      judging by the information of one of the witnesses and participants in the tragedy, the PSC actions were aimed at creating conditions for increasing the tragedy (they did not allow access to evacuation routes, emergency and main exits were blocked)
      1. tomket
        tomket 27 March 2018 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: nikolaev
        (they did not allow access to evacuation routes, emergency and main exits were blocked)

        Perhaps they didn’t let him in because they knew that everything was blocked there.
  42. nikolaev
    nikolaev 27 March 2018 02: 05
    0
    front snout of capitalism
  43. nikolaev
    nikolaev 27 March 2018 02: 10
    +1
    EU Secretary General in the expression of "condolences" speaks of innocent victims.
    Words about "innocent victims" are uttered during terrorist attacks, during bombings, during "responses" to some actions: "we are punishing you, but there are innocent victims and YOU are to blame for these innocent victims because you did not comply with our requirements "!
  44. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 27 March 2018 02: 45
    +1
    My countrymen were burning CHILDREN and on the first channel there was an interview of Solovyov Putin! The whole world sends condolences and the Kremlin channels stubbornly remained silent. What a pride is such an attitude towards the people
  45. nikolaev
    nikolaev 27 March 2018 02: 48
    +1
    Kemerovo’s tragedy shows the true “face” of creative managers, businessmen, successful people - the gentlemen of today's life. For whom the main thing is MONEY, and when they say money, everything else is silent (conscience, justice, patriotism, decency, honor, ....).
    And the further the swindlers will spread rot on us (and in my opinion this is a synonym for the word "businessman"), the more the soul of the people will be destroyed, and without it the death of Russia!
  46. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 27 March 2018 05: 02
    +1
    Quote: Anti-Corr.
    Quote: Z_G_R
    The power and system that created the conditions for such an emergency are to blame.

    Definitely! We are disposed of, and we scream "lurking" valiantly sticking our heads under the guillotine.

    So don’t yell, who makes YOU, WE’re calmly discussing ...
  47. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 27 March 2018 05: 13
    +2
    Quote: Siberia 9444
    My countrymen were burning CHILDREN and on the first channel there was an interview of Solovyov Putin! The whole world sends condolences and the Kremlin channels stubbornly remained silent. What a pride is such an attitude towards the people

    This is also my fellow countrymen ... Do not hysteria, do not know the reason, is it convenient to blame it on the authorities? And it’s Putin’s name that’s hooked? So you have your leader there, who still saw Brezhnev !!! Something you local authorities do not give responsibility for what happened! The number of deer will decrease in the North, will you also fasten Putin’s power? You’ve already got similar ones, without logic, without thinking, without morality ... Such instances as you on May 9, 1945, did not rejoice in Victory and did not mourn the victims, but scolded Stalin at the corners ... Is this familiar to you and the spiral?
  48. bsk_una
    bsk_una 27 March 2018 05: 37
    +1
    Here is a list of countries where the largest grocery chains are registered with hundreds of thousands of stores throughout Russia
    1. Auchan (France),
    2. “OK” (Luxembourg),
    3. Pyaterochka (Netherlands),
    4. “Crossroads” (Netherlands),
    5. Carousel (Netherlands),
    6. "MetroCash & Carry" (Germany),
    7. The Tape (British Virgin Islands),
    8. Globus (Cyprus),
    9. “Bill” (Austria),
    10. “Zelgros” (Germany),
    11. "Leroy Merlin" (France),
    12. “Magnet” (Cyprus offshore Lavreno Ltd.),
    13. “Kopeyka” (Netherlands),
    14. “We” (Netherlands),
    15. “Mercado supercenter” (Netherlands),
    16. "Basket" (Netherlands ",
    17. Paterson (Netherlands),
    18. “People's” (Netherlands),
    19. “Simbirka” (Netherlands),
    20. “Food” (Netherlands),
    21. “Fair” (Netherlands),
    22. “Three” (Netherlands),
    23. “Family” (Netherlands),
    24. “Thrifty family” (Netherlands),
    25. “World of products” (Netherlands),
    26. "A5" (Netherlands),
    27. "Spar" (Netherlands),
    28. “Supermarket” (Netherlands),
    29. "Tamerlane" (Netherlands),
    30. "Buying" (Netherlands).
    Is there anything else to say !?
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 05: 54
      +5
      Quote: bsk_una
      Is there anything else to say !?

      Necessary.
      Explain why you posted this footcloth here?
      And, at the same time, what difference does it make where anyone is registered if he (he) works in the Russian Federation and obeys the laws established in the Russian Federation?
      Thank you yes
      1. Nehist
        Nehist 27 March 2018 06: 43
        +1
        Are you sure about that? So, since I work at the moment in a foreign company, they wanted to spit on our norms and laws. They have their own standards that often go against our safety and health standards.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 27 March 2018 06: 58
          +5
          Quote: Nehist
          I work at the moment in a foreign company so they did not care about our norms and laws

          I also work in a foreign company.
          As for the "spit", if possible - in more detail.
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 27 March 2018 12: 59
        0
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Explain why you posted this footcloth here?
        And, at the same time, what difference does it make where anyone is registered if he (he) works in the Russian Federation and obeys the laws established in the Russian Federation?

        Yes, it’s not very visible and submits, rather ignores, since this happens.
  49. Alex66
    Alex66 27 March 2018 06: 25
    +1
    The attack was carried out long ago; it began; Gorbi continued EBN and further it will continue until the benefit is more important.
  50. gaura
    gaura 27 March 2018 10: 02
    0
    They try to immediately use any tragedy to accuse the authorities. This is understandable bribes, the signaling, other crap. And where are the allegations that the guards did not allow people to escape routes? Didn’t help, but prevented people from evacuating? With a general panic, the guards stood quietly and were in no hurry. But we don’t know anything about them