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Unique capabilities of the Bal mobile missile system demonstrated at the Caspian Sea

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Unique capabilities of the Bal mobile missile system demonstrated at the Caspian SeaCaspian military men on April 26 at the Adanak training ground in Dagestan flotilla conducted the first missile firing from the Bal mobile coastal missile system.

In the course of conducting the training, the personnel of the command and control and communications center, using a radar station, took down the coordinates of a target located at a distance of more than 50 km at a landfill in the Caspian Sea. After a comparative analysis of all the necessary data, the crew of self-propelled launchers destroyed the target with a missile strike. The conditional enemy was imitated by a specially designed towed ship target shield.

Missile firing was performed by two anti-ship cruise missiles (ASM) of type X-35.

The Ball complex is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 120 kilometers at any time of the day and under the most adverse weather conditions. His firepower is capable of disrupting the performance of the combat mission of a large naval strike group, airborne detachment, or convoy of a potential enemy. The feature of the complex is that the launchers can be placed in hidden positions at a distance of up to 10 km from the coast.

The Ball complex was introduced into the Caspian flotilla at the end of last year.
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  1. Aleksey67
    Aleksey67 April 26 2012 16: 12
    +39
    One can see "clouds are gathering over the Caspian Sea". I am glad that we are preparing in advance, and not when the thunder breaks out.
    I cannot resist: "Another nail in the coffin lid of the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline." smile
    1. Tersky
      Tersky April 26 2012 16: 24
      +15
      Quote: Aleksey67
      One can see "clouds are gathering over the Caspian Sea".

      Good afternoon, Alex! I’ve been talking about this for a long time, no other than an attempt is brewing to divert Russia to the quietly created problems in the South Caucasus, in order to cut down larger fish elsewhere.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 26 2012 16: 46
        +24
        The Caspian is turning into a tangle of interests of different countries and the reason for this is the interest of the USA and NATO in the region ... Where they stick their nose, everywhere after them there is blood and dirt ... am
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 April 26 2012 20: 56
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          The Caspian is turning into a tangle of interests of different countries and the reason for this is the interest of the USA and NATO in the region ... Where they stick their nose, everywhere after them there is blood and dirt ...

          Duc, usa and nata are the main destabilizers of peace in the world! Drive out of the region with a ..... th broom before it's too late!
          1. Scorpion2012
            Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 20: 59
            0
            Quote: GSH-18
            Drive out of the region with a ..... th broom before it's too late!

            Russia will not be able to. The USSR could do everything.
            1. Asmodey
              Asmodey April 26 2012 22: 12
              +10
              Russia, of course, has not yet been compared with the power of the Soviet Union, but it is making confident steps (erroneous in some places, in some places for each step, human "lubrication" is required, but it does) to its greatness and power, it's just hard to raise the structure after it was systematically destroyed by almost 20 years ... and propaganda has done a lot ... many young people do not know anything about the greatness of Russia, they have hammered into their heads a simple thought "All Russian military equipment Shit and sucks !!!" although it becomes disgusting to even talk to them. they cannot even understand simple meanings in comparing the performance characteristics of the same Drying and raptor, AKM and m-16, etc. ... but the installation works, they deny the very fact of the possibility of superiority of domestic military equipment over Western ones.
              Yes, Russia is still far from the patriotic ideology of the USSR, but we can restore its former greatness !!!!
            2. TRex
              TRex April 27 2012 07: 10
              +3
              It would be necessary to correct: "Russia cannot yet ...". Let's hope that soon he can.
    2. Dmitriy69
      Dmitriy69 April 26 2012 16: 27
      +41
      The Caspian Sea is a traditional testing ground for naval weapons. Imagine, there is the only place in the world where there is still not a single US submarine laughing
      1. 450096
        450096 April 26 2012 16: 57
        +27
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        there is the only place in the world where there is still not a single state submarine

        This fact is probably like a pain in the ass for Americans. fellow this is
    3. Scorpion2012
      Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 16: 31
      -27
      Quote: Aleksey67
      Another nail in the coffin lid of the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline


      They spoke in the same way about the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline.
      We are not used to lol
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 April 26 2012 16: 41
        +11
        Quote: Scorpion2012
        They spoke in the same way about the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline.


        Do not just confuse the concepts, B-T-D goes through the territories of independent states and here Russia could not do anything in the legal field. True, there was an option during 08.08.08 to apply on the Georgian territory on it ..., but for some reason they chose not to do this. Apparently good relations with Turkey outweighed. But the trans-Caspian here does not shine for you, and Russia and Iran will not "push back" wink
        By the way, wait for the elections in Georgia and prepare for the fact that the BTD will have to be heavily guarded smile
        1. Scorpion2012
          Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 19: 52
          -12
          Quote: Aleksey67
          But the trans-Caspian here does not shine for you, and Russia and Iran will not "push back"


          By what means, Russia or Iran, have the right to get involved in this project when the pipe goes through the Azerbaijani and Turkmen parts of the water area? Explain to me ignoramus.



          I want to upset you, if Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan decide to build this pipeline, then neither Iran nor Russia will stop this process. As I repeated, before the construction of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, they were threatened in the same way.



          Quote: Aleksey67
          By the way, wait for the elections in Georgia and prepare for the fact that the BTD will have to be heavily guarded


          It is in the interests of Georgia to protect it. Don't you really think that the Georgians have forgotten what Azerbaijan went for for them? When Russia wanted to bring them to their knees with Gas, and they wanted to force us to raise their prices, for which both the gas from Promov's Miller and your prime minister were sent. Believe me, we will find a way to sell our energy resources and bypassing Georgia and Russia, if necessary.
          1. Aleksey67
            Aleksey67 April 26 2012 19: 57
            +6
            Quote: Scorpion2012
            By what means, Russia or Iran, have the right to get involved in this project when the pipe goes through the Azerbaijani and Turkmen parts of the water area? Explain to me ignoramus.


            The Caspian water area is not delimited, the construction of the gas pipeline violates the ecology of the entire water area wassat This is only offhand, and here are the Russian military in the area will experience depth charges feel By the way, by what principle did you draw the borders? laughing

            It is in the interests of Georgia to protect it. Don't you really think that the Georgians have forgotten what Azerbaijan went for for them? When Russia wanted to bring them to their knees with Gas, and they wanted to force us to raise their prices


            Don't you understand yet that Georgians don't remember good? Russia saved them in due time as a state, invested funds and what in the end? wassat
            1. Scorpion2012
              Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 20: 41
              -8
              Quote: Aleksey67
              The Caspian water area is not delimited, the construction of the gas pipeline violates the ecology of the entire water area


              and on the Baltic Sea, the pipeline from Russia to Germany, will not spoil the water area?

              Quote: Aleksey67
              By the way, by what principle did you draw the borders?

              On those borders under which Medvedev signed.

              http://vz.ru/politics/2010/9/3/430065.html

              We reached the Caspian
              Russia and Azerbaijan signed an agreement on delimitation - the most important document in the entire history of bilateral relations

              The leaders of Russia and Azerbaijan signed an agreement on the state border between the two countries. Russia became the first country with which Azerbaijan concluded such a document. According to Dmitry Medvedev, this is of particular importance “for the future of our relations,” and Ilham Aliyev announced the removal of all contradictions between the countries.

              The main result was the signing by Medvedev and Aliyev of an agreement on the state border between the two countries. The document fixes the line of its passage from the junction of the state borders of Russia, Azerbaijan and Georgia to the Caspian Sea. Thus, for Azerbaijan, Russia became the first country with which it now acquired an undeniable, legalized border, at least on land. The total length of the border between the countries is 390 km. An annex was signed with the agreement - a description of the demarcation.


              Or do you not recognize Medvedev as the president who carried out Putin's decree?

              You still do not understand that Georgians do not remember good?

              The shoals have not yet been noticed. And as they solved the errors, they noticed it. For example .. an Armenian deputy raised the issue of recognition of the Armenian Genocide. WERE SENT to the garden.

              Azerbaijanis came to power. There our deputies are in their parliament. Etc.

              So far, it’s a sin to complain.
              1. Aleksey67
                Aleksey67 April 26 2012 20: 59
                +4
                Quote: Scorpion2012
                On those borders under which Medvedev signed. http://vz.ru/politics/2010/9/3/430065.html


                I thought you were smarter lol Here is a quote from your link

                ... In the document fixed the line of its passage from the junction of the state borders of Russia, Azerbaijan and Georgia to the Caspian Sea. Thus, for Azerbaijan, Russia became the first country with which it has now acquired indisputable, legalized border, at least on the land...

                ... Zharikhin notes that fixed in the contract joint position on how to divide the Caspian Sea in the future... “This position is already ready, but it cannot be said that it is fundamentally different from Iranian and Turkmen, therefore, any ideas about the Nabucco gas pipeline and the Trans-Caspian pipeline will be put in a long boxк", The political scientist is sure.

                Let us remind you that the Nabucco gas pipeline project from Central Asia and the Caspian Sea region bypasses the territory of Russia through Georgia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Bulgaria, Hungary, Romania and Austria. It can compete with South Stream. The implementation of the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline project, which should become an important part of Nabucco, is still inter alia, the lack of clear borders in the Caspian Sea hinders, in particular, an agreement on the delimitation of the border between Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan ...

                ... Note that after the signing of the agreement in Yerevan Dmitry Medvedev explicitly promised that in accordance with allied obligations under the CSTO Treaty, Russia will protect Armenia in the event of military aggression against it, including in the case of a conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh.

                As for the negotiations on the division of the Caspian Sea, Jalaloglu does not see simple solutions in them. According to him, Azerbaijan should not lose oil fields lying at the bottom of the Caspian Sea, which may fall into the hands of Iran or Russia. Another problem, in his opinion, is whether the Caspian is considered a sea or a lake. If by sea, then the division must take place in accordance with International Maritime Law, in this case, Azerbaijan may lose part of the oil fields, the leader of the Democratic Party of Azerbaijan reminds.


                So, wash yourself and thank you for this information wassat
                1. Scorpion2012
                  Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 21: 04
                  -6
                  Have you ever seen the carve-up card? Did you see which document they signed? The carve-up went from the upper borders and there are no oil fields there.




                  where did you notice oil fields on the border with Azerbaijan and Russia ?????
                  1. Aleksey67
                    Aleksey67 April 26 2012 21: 07
                    +4
                    Quote: Scorpion2012
                    Have you ever seen the carve-up card? Did you see which document they signed? The carve-up went from the upper borders and there are no oil fields there.


                    This, what kind of creativity of the peoples of the world? wassat
                    1. Scorpion2012
                      Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 21: 16
                      -4
                      Great creativity. Look at the map. It was the border along the red line that was signed with Russia

                      1. Aleksey67
                        Aleksey67 April 26 2012 21: 19
                        +5
                        Quote: Scorpion2012
                        Great creativity. Look at the map. It was the border along the red line that was signed with Russia


                        Nothing has been signed on the Caspian Sea, the status has not even been established there, whether it is a lake or a sea lol Russia, Iran and Kazakhstan will decide, and the rest will have to take it for granted winked These are the realities of the modern world wink
                      2. Scorpion2012
                        Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 21: 23
                        -8
                        Quote: Aleksey67
                        is it a lake or the sea

                        I should have taught Geography, maybe they knew :)
                      3. Aleksey67
                        Aleksey67 April 26 2012 21: 25
                        +5
                        Quote: Scorpion2012
                        I should have taught Geography, maybe they knew :)


                        In this particular case, the recognition of status will depend on the economic benefits of strong countries smile
                      4. Scorpion2012
                        Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 21: 29
                        -8
                        Quote: Aleksey67
                        In this particular case, the recognition of status will depend on the economic benefits of strong countries


                        Considering that Europe + the United States is behind the project, I think it's not that bad.
                      5. Aleksey67
                        Aleksey67 April 26 2012 21: 32
                        +6
                        Quote: Scorpion2012
                        Considering that Europe + the United States is behind the project, I think it's not that bad.


                        Nobody is interested in their opinion in this region, except perhaps Azerbaijan. So, let them design anything - Putin is not Medvedev, but for Iran they are like a red rag for a bull smile By the way, it is enough for one side to be against it to block the project winked
                      6. Scorpion2012
                        Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 22: 01
                        -7
                        Time will tell.
      2. domokl
        domokl April 26 2012 16: 48
        +7
        Quote: Scorpion2012
        Similarly, they talked about the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline
        Distort ... the Caspian is not yet divided into border zones and Russia and Iran have every right, just like Azerbaijan and Turkey to push the project to the bud ... There the pipeline did not concern us, it concerns
        1. Scorpion2012
          Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 19: 54
          -11
          Here's a map for you .... tell me ignorant, where does this pipeline violate the rights of Russia and Iran? Maybe I'm blind, I don't see ... maybe a pipe will be laid across Russian territory or Iranian?

    4. Neighbor
      Neighbor April 26 2012 18: 18
      0
      Here he is a handsome man - with 8 presents !!!!
      drinks drinks good
      Quote: Its firepower is capable of disrupting the combat mission of a large naval strike group, landing party or convoy of a potential enemy
      Quote: olp
      ps by the way, do not forget about the Bastion, which is also slowly entering the troops
      - and Syria !!! drinks - 2 complexes! + Onyx. drinks
      Quote: domokl
      They were delivered to the Caspian just a month ago ... and not just one installation, but a division at once ... Just enough to disperse the boat fleet ... So, for each theater of operations, its own weapon ... At sea and ocean, alas, not put

      good drinks drinks
      1. sergskak
        sergskak April 26 2012 21: 55
        -1
        Neighbor,
        Got up at the ball! Who's first? angry
    5. ramil
      ramil April 26 2012 22: 09
      -1
      Yes there and without us they will cover it, the Hungarians are already leaving the consortium!
      1. Vanek
        Vanek April 27 2012 05: 53
        +1
        Quote: Neighbor
        Quote: Its firepower is capable of disrupting the combat mission of a large naval strike group, landing party or convoy of a potential enemy


        - Me and "BAL", your strike groups and airborne troops laughing

        There were shouts from the shore.
  2. Joker
    Joker April 26 2012 16: 13
    +14
    As they say from the ship to the ball smile would have bought more.
    1. YARY
      YARY April 26 2012 16: 22
      +7
      Who doubts her power?Hi, sleep and get out ... !!! angry
    2. domokl
      domokl April 26 2012 16: 53
      +3
      Quote: Joker
      would have bought more.
      They were delivered to the Caspian Sea just a month ago .. And not just one installation, but a division right away ... It’s just enough to disperse the boat fleet ... So, for every theater of war, its weapons ... Alas, these are not sea and ocean put ...
    3. Tsim
      Tsim April 26 2012 18: 07
      +3
      I would say from the ball to the ship fellow am laughing
      1. alexng
        alexng April 26 2012 20: 10
        +2
        From the ball to the ship. So it will be more convincing. good drinks
        Or arrange the last (farewell) ball on the ship. good
  3. Ion coaelung
    Ion coaelung April 26 2012 16: 15
    +3
    And it is not necessary to have the largest fleet in the world, but effective weapons against the enemy fleet!
    The Ball complex is capable of hitting targets at a distance of up to 120 kilometers at any time of the day and under the most adverse weather conditions.
    Of course it's great, but how is BAL doing with anti-missile systems on enemy ships?
    1. domokl
      domokl April 26 2012 16: 55
      -10
      wink The modern fleet will strike from a much longer distance .. So your coastal installations will only jam the fish ... The fleet is needed as air ... Only a ship can effectively resist a ship ...
      1. Aleksey67
        Aleksey67 April 26 2012 16: 59
        +8
        Quote: domokl
        A modern fleet will strike from a much longer range ... So your onshore installations will only jam fish ... The fleet is needed like air ...


        In general, they should not allow the landing feel What they are quite capable of handling smile

        Only a ship can effectively counter a ship ..


        Forgot about aviation and missiles wink
      2. PLO
        PLO April 26 2012 17: 04
        +4
        A modern navy will strike from a much longer range.

        interesting with what? (YAO doesn't count, that's a different story)
        It is much more difficult to destroy a pbrk than a ship, since this is not a radio-contrast target, unlike a ship, no matter how invisible it is
        the point of coastal complexes is not to let the enemy's fleet close to the coast, in addition, the pbrk does not work in a vacuum, they are constantly covered by air defense and aviation
        as a result, not a single fleet (including aircraft carriers) can operate effectively within the reach of the pbrk

        ps by the way, do not forget about the Bastion, which is also slowly entering the troops
        1. WAN
          WAN April 26 2012 17: 46
          0
          Arlie Burke. 56 Tomahawks, range up to 2500km ....... old, but proven.
          1. PLO
            PLO April 26 2012 18: 25
            +2
            56 Tomahawks

            all subsonic CDs are easily knocked down by the same wasp, and they will not provide any problems to the tori and tungusks

            besides what you will issue TsU?
            correctly disguised SPUs on radars do not shine, and even at distances over 300 km no AWACS will give you anything, so
            so they will be guided exclusively by GPS, and for this, you first need to find them and fire a sufficiently dense salvo to break through the air defense
            1. WAN
              WAN April 27 2012 12: 11
              0
              The question was - what? The answer is Tomahawks. One destroyer cited as an example. They don't swim alone. As part of AUG - yes. There are also Ticonderoges, they have a stock twice as large. Ohio, generally about 150 pieces. in drum-type installations. Total 500 + pieces can fly. I'm not talking about aviation, it was about the fleet.
              I don't want to frighten anyone, but you need to know the enemy by sight. I hope this never happens ......
              1. PLO
                PLO April 27 2012 16: 54
                0
                The question was - what? The answer is Tomahawks.

                This is not an answer
                To start, the tomahawks will not get anywhere without the CC
                or do you propose to blindly beat?

                500 pieces

                why so little?
                let's get 5000

                I'm not talking about aviation, it was about the fleet.

                and what does it have to do with it?
                1. WAN
                  WAN April 28 2012 21: 29
                  0
                  1. Get into the coastline. 10-15 km from the coast will leave nothing alive at all

                  2. What did I not clearly write? Arly Burke - more than 50 pieces, there are more than 120 of them in the AUG pair, Ticonderoga, let alone, Ohio 150 - 2 pieces. Will you count it yourself? Or is it unrealistic? Now look at how many of these destroyers, missile cruisers and nuclear submarines the enemies have. And your 5 thousand will easily become a reality.
                  3. And this has nothing to do with ....

                  ps By the way, I do not understand who is minus you, I think the dialogue is absolutely normal.
                  1. PLO
                    PLO 3 May 2012 16: 46
                    0
                    Will fall into the coastal strip. 10-15 km will not leave anything alive


                    you can imagine how many tomahawks are needed so that you can plow the coastal strip 15km wide and at least 50km long
                    even if we assume that 1 tomahawk covers guaranteed 1 sq. km, then they will need 750 missiles at least
                    By the way, PBRK is not in vain called mobile, it can be anywhere, and move into the launch zone at any convenient time
                    with such ratios of spent missiles, even the United States will not last long
                    do not forget also about the flight time when starting from 2000 km

                    Now look at how many of these destroyers, missile cruisers and nuclear submarines the enemies have. And your 5 thousand will easily become a reality.

                    how easily you pitted the 1st BAL division against the entire US fleet,
                    I don't even know how to explain all the stupidity of such a comparison
          2. guessed
            guessed April 26 2012 18: 58
            +2
            "Arlie Burke" can already get on board the X-55 with the Tu-95 from a distance of 3000 km and the Severodvinsk exit to the sea is not far off .... From that moment, Arlie Burke may not go out to sea at all .... X -101 you understand 855x has standard armament ... New ... at the same time we will check.
            1. Jaguar
              Jaguar April 26 2012 21: 36
              +2
              and how can the X-55 and X-101 be used against ships? They are not intended for this.
            2. WAN
              WAN April 27 2012 12: 22
              0
              By the way, an interesting question: why is the Ash project better than the Antei project in terms of missile weapons? Specifically, the Onyx missile (range up to 300 km), the better the Granite missile (range 500-600 km.)?
              The question is absolutely without irony and joke. Why will the new boats have Onyxes and not Granites? And why are Antei rearming?
              I do not think that fools are sitting in the Navy ......
              I would be grateful for a constructive answer.
              1. WAN
                WAN April 28 2012 21: 33
                0
                It's a pity that no one answered, it's much more interesting to me than the Yankee army ............
                1. PLO
                  PLO 3 May 2012 20: 21
                  0
                  at a nuclear submarine (Antey 949A) at a distance of up to 300 km (radius of action of onyx), a volley of 24 * 3 = 72 missiles is much more effective than 24 granites, in addition, at the moment, the Onyx launcher is being unified with the Caliber complex (5 types of missiles) so that the new Ash can become carriers of RCC, which can be selected for a specific task
                  the most important advantage of Granite is the range, but it is leveled by the need for a control center, which the carrier itself is not able to provide for the maximum range, in addition, they are much more expensive than onyxes, and highly specialized (only as anti-ship missiles)
                  so apparently granite has more minuses than pluses compared to onyx / caliber

                  Z. I’m all about the future rearmament of the Antei on onyx (3 onyx will fit into each granite mine), and in the new ash trees there will be 32 PU, which is very good for its size
  4. DEMENTIY
    DEMENTIY April 26 2012 16: 15
    +15
    Give more, higher, more powerful.
    Tremble the adversaries.
    1. Scorpion2012
      Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 16: 32
      -40
      Quote: DEMENTIY
      Give more, higher, more powerful.
      Tremble the adversaries.


      You chop the branch you sit on? Your fellow countrymen are primarily interested in this project. You are already barely surviving, and this project will give you at least some money. :) Kaaadr)))))))))
      1. domokl
        domokl April 26 2012 16: 59
        +10
        Quote: Scorpion2012

        You chop the branch you sit on? Your fellow countrymen are primarily interested in this project. You can barely barely survive, and this project will give at least some money. :) Kaaadr)
        Like most nocturnal predators, you are too much a predator, but also too much a victim ... For several days now I have been following your statements and am marveling at the frantic love for the Motherland ... To the extent that everything that is written about this country makes you hate .. . Well, if someone writes under a different flag, then hatred is doubly ...
        Patriotism is not a protrusion of merit and resentment towards others; patriotism is, first and foremost, a sober assessment of the situation and decision-making with a cold head .. This is the only way to preserve the Motherland and yourself as a person ...
        1. Dust
          Dust April 26 2012 17: 46
          +10
          And the mention of Armenians generally makes him sausage, he doesn't get into the keyboard ...
          1. Scorpion2012
            Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 20: 04
            -12
            Quote: Dust
            And the mention of Armenians generally makes him sausage, he doesn't get into the keyboard ...


            YOU were asked your opinion?
            1. Dust
              Dust April 26 2012 20: 18
              +11
              Not some oglu in the back to tell me!
              1. Scorpion2012
                Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 22: 33
                -9
                Quote: Dust
                Not some oglu in the back to tell me!


                some kind of ogly your father, that such an asshole was created. Who became the "Internet Spartan"
        2. Scorpion2012
          Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 20: 04
          -14
          Quote: domokl
          but also too sacrifice ...

          I don't consider myself a victim. I don’t know how you got such petty information about me.

          Quote: domokl
          For several days I have been following your statements and am amazed at your overwhelming love for the Motherland.

          What you sow is what you reap. Or should I tell you about how cheap disadvantages are pouring into my rating and the rating of all Azerbaijanis? You are allergic to everything Azerbaijani. So do not be surprised. This is the result of your policy and your views.

          We'd rather die standing than live on our knees. Remember this.

          Quote: domokl
          Well, if someone writes under a different flag, then the hatred is doubly ...


          You will not be disliked if one of the CSTO members, to whom else you send money, support, and he vilely betrays you? ANSWER YOURSELF, NOT ME. I hope you understand what I mean.

          Quote: domokl
          patriotism is, first of all, a sober assessment of the situation and decision-making with a cold head.




          Quote: domokl
          This is the only way to preserve both the Motherland and oneself as a person ..

          Having such neighbors as Kremlin officials, that's exactly what I need to do.
        3. Tiomka
          Tiomka April 27 2012 01: 19
          +2
          Patriotism is not a sticking out of merit and grievances against others; patriotism is, first of all, a sober assessment of the situation and making a decision with a cold head ..

          you don’t explain this to him, but to your local patients like Esaul and Saused, that’s where the treasures of leavened patriotism are, and the first is ostentatiously welcomed and lisped for several paragraphs, and the second is clinically monotonous and hysterical with tons of stupid smiles.
      2. DEMENTIY
        DEMENTIY April 26 2012 17: 49
        +11
        Scorhion2012
        Live in Ukraine and understand the meaning of the saying:
        "Better a horrible end than endless horror."
        1. Scorpion2012
          Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 20: 05
          -12
          Quote: DEMENTIY
          Scorhion2012
          Live in Ukraine and understand the meaning of the saying:
          "Better a horrible end than endless horror."


          Do you know the word HONOR, JUSTICE, HONESTY, real FRIENDSHIP ?????????

          For me, this makes special sense.
          1. Dust
            Dust April 26 2012 20: 17
            +7
            How do you know about this? THIS is not for sale in the bazaar ...
            1. Scorpion2012
              Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 20: 43
              -10
              Quote: Dust
              How do you know about this? THIS is not for sale in the bazaar ...


              I told you 1000 times when men talk, don’t get in. Wait your turn.
  5. Russian sniper
    Russian sniper April 26 2012 16: 23
    +21
    Give "BaLas" to the Kuril Islands bully
    1. domokl
      domokl April 26 2012 17: 01
      +7
      Quote: Russian Sniper
      Give "BaLas" to the Kuril Islands
      And the thought is sound and very nice ... With such a radius of action, we can completely cover the straits between the islands tightly with them ...
  6. General_Nogay
    General_Nogay April 26 2012 16: 28
    +7
    Ball for Azerbaijan!
  7. sedoii
    sedoii April 26 2012 16: 38
    +8
    Eh, it went beautifully!
  8. Nechai
    Nechai April 26 2012 16: 58
    +7
    Quote: Aleksey67
    "Another nail in the coffin lid of the Trans-Caspian gas pipeline

    Not only. And in case of any options for the development of situevina with Iran in the United States. Let them know they will come to the shores of the Caspian Sea, they’ll get horseradish domination.
  9. Dust
    Dust April 26 2012 17: 01
    -8
    This is a solid thing, but who is Russia going to shoot at?
    The Kazakhs are “brothers” (they wouldn’t have such relatives for a century!), But they seem to have no complaints either, they donate their territory, and with the people, the Turkmens are already far away, except for boats. they seem to have nothing set by Russia, the Iranians remain, but they have no claims against Russia and cannot be - it hurts far away ...
    If you just try out a weapon, and then where to move it to a more suitable place, then I am only for!
    More and more convinced that the mass of commentators have problems with the essence of what is happening ...
    1. Dust
      Dust April 26 2012 17: 46
      -4
      Well, who are you targeting? Who can answer?
    2. sergskak
      sergskak April 26 2012 18: 03
      +4
      Quote: Dust
      This is a solid thing, but who is Russia going to shoot at?

      Most importantly, he is already there! And we will see who to shoot. Today brothers, tomorrow brothers (brothers) will appear, God forbid, but that all is already ready to meet.
      1. Dust
        Dust April 26 2012 18: 15
        +3
        An optimistic scenario, you won’t say anything!
        1. sergskak
          sergskak April 26 2012 18: 32
          +1
          In general, this should be regarded as a defense of Russian interests in this not an easy region. I don’t think that one of our friends will defend them with breastfeeding. We have already passed more than once. So you need to trust your friends, of course, but be on your own alert. We will cover if anything. Do not get excited about this.
          1. Dust
            Dust April 26 2012 20: 09
            +1
            And what is it not on the Kuibyshev reservoir that you have undertaken to defend interests?
            By the layout of the enemies, it seems, and no, they kissed everyone - or is it still not so? So tell me then - we will spread rot traders from the bazaars! So, even without any missiles, I will bring them to their knees only by riot police, and not at all in the Caspian - call me if it needs to be done! I will do it with pleasure ...
            1. sergskak
              sergskak April 26 2012 21: 28
              +1
              Dust,
              So thank those who kissed. They also kissed with Georgia. But I don’t understand why you have such a reaction? Remove chtol everything? So just tell me. And maybe you are planning something? If not, then you should not worry. wink
    3. alatau_09
      alatau_09 April 26 2012 23: 38
      +2
      dust - real dust under your feet, no pride, no honor, no clan, no tribe .... one stench .... as they used to say in Russia "slave, whose will you be?", whose penny do you work out with foam at the mouth?
      You live in Uzbekistan, and you reek of the whole former Union ... for all the time not a single positive, sound post, only negative ones ... Why so much anger ??? Offended or something ???
      1. Scorpion2012
        Scorpion2012 April 27 2012 01: 54
        -3
        Quote: alatau_09
        dust - real dust under your feet, no pride, no honor, no clan, no tribe .... one stench .... as they used to say in Russia "slave, whose will you be?", whose penny do you work out with foam at the mouth?
        You live in Uzbekistan, and you reek of the whole former Union ... for all the time not a single positive, sound post, only negative ones ... Why so much anger ??? Offended or something ???


        You are a plus :) Everything is clear.
      2. Dust
        Dust April 27 2012 07: 48
        -4
        On each branch are they noted, or what?
        Lucky for you yesterday, the computer is frozen. otherwise I would have answered you with a proper spam - and now your attempts are simply ridiculous ...
  10. Kangarli
    Kangarli April 26 2012 17: 02
    -14
    "Ball" 120 km <"Gabriel-5" 300 km wink
    1. танк
      танк April 26 2012 17: 28
      +9
      we have a cooler one, this one is for warm-up
      1. Scorpion2012
        Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 20: 07
        -15
        Quote: tank
        we have a cooler one, this one is for warm-up


        And you do not rush, soon we’ll buy even better. Praise God, our chickens do not peck money.
        1. zevs379
          zevs379 April 26 2012 20: 46
          +10
          Quote: Scorpion2012
          And you do not rush, soon we’ll buy even better. Praise God, our chickens do not peck money.


          And if you are so good that half of Azerbaijan is done in RUSSIA?
          Call them home. YOU ARE WELCOME !!! love
          1. Scorpion2012
            Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 20: 51
            -10
            Quote: zevs379
            And if you are so good that half of Azerbaijan is done in RUSSIA?

            The same thing that Russians do in Azerbaijan.
            Are you ready to call them back and give them shelter?

            You know the difference between you and us. We consider them ours and no matter how much we feed you, we are still strangers to you and then you are surprised at our projects and plans.

            You and the Azerbaijani fish want to eat and sit on a stump of Azerbaijan. It doesn't work that way. Choose one.
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 April 26 2012 21: 05
              +5
              Quote: Scorpion2012
              You and the Azerbaijani fish want to eat and to sit on a tree stump


              You boldly say "Azerbaijani stump" wassat Apparently, the Russians have served the top of the hemp and maybe the Armenians used your stump for other purposes? Otherwise I don't know how else to explain such hatred laughing
              Take care of the hollow, you are our wooden wassat
              1. Scorpion2012
                Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 21: 10
                -8
                Quote: Aleksey67
                Otherwise, I don’t know how else to explain such hatred

                To do this, you need to remember the 90th year of January 19-20, for this you need to learn the history and processes that took place in the early 20th century, as well as the history of the conflict in Karabakh.

                Everything is ok with our hollow, but what will happen tomorrow with the Siberian hollow and Primorsky, this is an interesting question. Painfully the Chinese are already sitting on the Siberian hollows. And you send the largest piece of Russian fish to Chechnya, despite the fact that in other regions of Russia, people without fish were left on Russian hemp, which clearly becomes Chinese.

                You will remember my words in a couple of years. When Siberia speaks Chinese.
                1. Aleksey67
                  Aleksey67 April 26 2012 21: 49
                  +6
                  Quote: Scorpion2012
                  Everything is ok with our hollow, but what will happen tomorrow with the Siberian hollow and Primorsky, this is an interesting question. It really hurts the Chinese are already sitting on the Siberian hollows. And you send the largest piece of Russian fish to Chechnya, despite the fact that in other regions of Russia, people without fish were left on Russian hemp, which clearly becomes Chinese. You will remember my words in a couple of years. When Siberia speaks Chinese.


                  It seems like a reasonable person, but post such nonsense. China when attacked successfully last time do not remind? smile China has a lot of territorial problems with all its neighbors except Russia. Russian nuclear weapons will cool the head of any aggressor, and who or what will help Azerbaijan (do not take Mishiko into account, 1 + 0 = 1 laughing )?
                  1. Scorpion2012
                    Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 22: 04
                    -7
                    Quote: Aleksey67
                    and who or what will help Azerbaijan

                    Turkey does not count? Pakistan not like? I am silent about Israel.
                    1. Aleksey67
                      Aleksey67 April 26 2012 22: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: Scorpion2012
                      Turkey does not count? Pakistan not like? I am silent about Israel.

                      I confess I forgot about Turkey request Pakistan has enough problems with neighbors to start new ones smile
                      Israel has never "fit in" with anyone, it will sell weapons to you and take advantage of the "disastrous" situation for a good price, they will buy gas and oil cheaply, but you should not count on more laughing
                      1. Scorpion2012
                        Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 22: 26
                        -6
                        Quote: Aleksey67
                        Pakistan has enough problems with neighbors to start new ones


                        Nobody grabbed their language when they offered us a military alliance. And to this day they are no worse ally for Azerbaijan than Turkey.

                        Quote: Aleksey67
                        I confess I forgot about Turkey

                        You see, if you think well, we will find other allies :)


                        Quote: Aleksey67
                        Israel has never "fit in" with anyone, it will sell weapons to you and take advantage of the "disastrous" situation for a good price, they will buy gas and oil cheaply, but you should not count on more


                        Before answering this question, we need to find out who is a close friend of Israel, and whether these friends need Israeli help.

                        Don't you think?
                2. танк
                  танк April 27 2012 09: 52
                  -1
                  we have a multinational and our country speaks many languages, you don’t need to scare us, they scare us for 1000 years, but you can’t take anything away
          2. Tiomka
            Tiomka April 27 2012 01: 25
            -1
            you first stop your emigration, and of course, call back millions of Russians from the damned States ...
            1. Scorpion2012
              Scorpion2012 April 27 2012 02: 05
              -2
              Quote: tiomka
              you first stop your emigration, and of course, call back millions of Russians from the damned States ...


              +1000000000000 I'm starting to see posts on my conscience.

              How many Russians live in Russia and on Earth?

              Ukraine: 8 334 141 (2001 census) [3]
              Kazakhstan: 3 (848 census) [246] [2010] [4] [5]
              USA: 3 (origin, 163 est.) [084]
              Uzbekistan: 620 (000 est.) [2005]
              Tashkent: 440 (000 est.) [2009]
              Belarus: 785 (084 census) [2009]
              Latvia: 556 (422 est.) [2011]
              Riga: 288 480 (2010 est.) [21]
              Canada: 500 600 (2006 census) [22]
              Kyrgyzstan: 394 (700 est.) [2011] [29]
              Estonia: 342 (379 est.) [2010]
              Moldova: 201 (218 census) [2004] [35]
              Brazil: 200 (origin) [000]
              Germany: 187 835 (citizenship of the Russian Federation, 2008 estimate) [38]
              Lithuania: 174 (900 est.) [2011]
              Transnistrian Moldavian Republic: 168 678 (2004 census) [40]
              Azerbaijan: 119 (300 census) [2009]
              Turkmenistan: 142 (000 est.) [2005]
              UK: ~ 300 [000]
              Tajikistan: 68 (200 census) [2000]
              Georgia: 67 (671 census) [2002] [46]
              Australia: 67,055 (origin, 2006 census) [48]
              Cuba: 50 (200 census) [2002]
              Romania: 35 (Lipovans, 791 census) [2002] [50]
              Finland: 26 (909 est.) [2008]
              Abkhazia: 22 (077 census) [2011] [53]
              Greece: 18 (citizenship of the Russian Federation, 219 census) [2001]
              PRC: 15 (609 census) [2000]
              Bulgaria: 15 (595 census) [2001]
              Armenia: 14 (660 census) [2001] - And what is so little in FORPOST?
              Poland: 6 (103 census) [2002]
              Venezuela: 4 [600]
              New Zealand: 4 (581) [2006]
          3. танк
            танк April 27 2012 09: 49
            -1
            Zeus, handsome smile
    2. Jaguar
      Jaguar April 27 2012 09: 13
      +1
      And Gabriel-5 is placed on coastal complexes? In addition, there is the Kh-35U with a range of 260 km
  11. MrBoris555
    MrBoris555 April 26 2012 17: 14
    +7
    these should be "forgotten" in Syria and Iran ...
  12. aspirin02
    aspirin02 April 26 2012 17: 22
    -2
    in my opinion there’s no such difference with P-700 Granite ....
  13. Senzey
    Senzey April 26 2012 17: 25
    0
    It is high time to cover the Caspian frontiers.

    It is high time to cover the Caspian frontiers.
  14. wolk71
    wolk71 April 26 2012 17: 31
    +1
    Everyone needs Caspian oil, but not everyone owns it.
    1. Dust
      Dust April 26 2012 17: 49
      -4
      It is precisely Russia that did not get oil in the current situation! The closest one in Kazakhstan, and then no longer Kazakh, was sold in the bud by the best friend of the Russian people ...
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 26 2012 22: 41
      +2
      Quote: wolk71
      Everyone needs Caspian oil, but not everyone owns it.

      The Russian government has estimated oil reserves in the Russian sector of the Caspian at 2,95 billion tons, natural and oil gas at 3,1 trillion cubic meters; at the moment, 10 fields have been discovered in the Caspian region, which together can provide oil production at the level of 40 million tons per year.
      Commercial oil production in the Russian sector of the Caspian Sea was launched in 2010 by Lukoil at the Yuri Korchagin field. The proven resources of oil fields in the Caspian Sea are approximately 10 billion tons. In addition to Russia, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Iran are involved in the production of hydrocarbons in the region.

      The total stock of potential oil and gas resources in Russia is 56,46 billion tons, or 35 percent of the world's reserves. About 11,3 billion tons are classified as reliable.
      1. Tiomka
        Tiomka April 27 2012 01: 29
        0
        and how many of these resources are in "easy / cost-effective" access?
  15. kasper
    kasper April 26 2012 17: 37
    +3
    Excellent purchase.
  16. Sniper 1968
    Sniper 1968 April 26 2012 17: 53
    +7
    More rackets. Good and different. The name is good: "Ball" ... From the ship to the ball. That is, vice versa: from "Bal" to the ship ... good yes lol
  17. Zlu
    Zlu April 26 2012 17: 57
    +1
    On the principle of one missile, one aircraft carrier!
  18.  pistons
    pistons April 26 2012 19: 44
    -3
    guessed,
    Well, what terrible we are .. not really conceived to butting with the US Navy .. funny

    Zlu, Uh-huh, the aircraft carrier is all so defenseless. Will stubbornly wait, well, when the anti-ship missiles will be pounded at me
    1. guessed
      guessed April 26 2012 19: 44
      +1
      Specifically, I didn’t get bodatzzo with the US Navy ... It’s unlikely that he’s got to me. Actually this is the answer to your funny.
  19. SoVIet ZiMBo_O
    SoVIet ZiMBo_O April 26 2012 19: 48
    +4
    It’s time for Kuri to arm, but such beauties would ideally fit there, large bodies of water and a flying Japanese fleet, what could be better ?! Well, of course, I embellish it winked

    pistons
    Why not? Although people like you were, history remembers ... Russia is against the Napoleons? Why are you?! Russia is against the Nazis?! What are you, where so!
  20.  pistons
    pistons April 26 2012 19: 53
    -2
    guessedYes, in fact, he does not have enough .. the fleet of Japan and NATO is enough ..
    1. guessed
      guessed April 26 2012 20: 28
      -2
      Yeah ... and do not forget the spherical horse in the vacuum ..., without it, no way ...
  21. suharev-52
    suharev-52 April 26 2012 21: 25
    +1
    Let them learn. You need to master the weapon perfectly. And without training, you won’t gain experience. Sincerely.
  22. skychnii
    skychnii April 26 2012 21: 37
    +2
    The Caspian is the region where the ears should be kept on alert.
  23. Tersky
    Tersky April 26 2012 21: 38
    +10
    Quote: Scorpion2012
    Here's a map for you .... tell me the ignoramus

    I wanted to not interfere, but I see it comes to the impartial. According to Baku, the Soviet-Iranian treaties have already lost their legal force, since there is no state with the name “USSR” on the political map of the world. Such an interpretation of the problem, however, runs counter to international law. Firstly, both subjects (Russia and Iran - the RSFSR and Persia), between which the Caspian Sea regime was established, were preserved on the political map of the world. Secondly, according to all international standards, Russia is the successor of the USSR - the Russian Federation continued the USSR membership in the UN. Thirdly, new sovereign states born on the territory of the former Union, in the relevant acts, undertook to comply with international treaties concluded by the Soviet Union. And finally, for all international rights, with the advent of new states, the status of a common space is not subject to unilateral review; it can only be modified with the consent of all border (coastal) states with the obligatory participation of those states, agreements (agreements) between which the status existing at the time of the formation of new states was fixed. Therefore, if one is unbiased to be guided by the principles and norms of international law, then not a single new Caspian country has a sufficient legal basis for dissociating itself from Soviet-Iranian treaties. And their main argument that they themselves are not parties to the Soviet-Iranian treaties is not legally sound. The current official Russian position boils down to the fact that, until the full and final conclusion of the negotiations of the five Caspian littoral states on the status of the Caspian Sea, they must strictly follow the Soviet-Iranian treaties. And this means that currently the only authorized regime in the Caspian is the regime of general (for all coastal countries) and closed (for all non-coastal countries) sea use. UN experts on the law of the sea in 1995 confirmed the legal validity of this position of Russia. You can draw a map as you like, what you posted is just a draft of the proposed section. They are not approved by anyone or anything.
    1. Aleksey67
      Aleksey67 April 26 2012 21: 43
      +4
      Tersky, thanks for the comment, but indeed this is so, and Russia did not pay debts for the entire USSR in vain smile
  24. Tersky
    Tersky April 26 2012 21: 50
    +6
    No problem, Alex! For all the debts that Russia paid to the USSR to creditors, I would like at least a little respect from the side of the former republics, while, alas, the opposite is truedrinks
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 26 2012 23: 04
      +1
      Dear Victor !!
      You know, I am sick of the way of discussion that is selected in this thread by users !! I do not understand one thing, even if it is rude but Russian, then all amicably plus, if the other side says unreading minus!
      You should know better than me that having become the legal successor of the USSR's debts at the same time, Russia automatically retained the seat of a permanent member of the UN Security Council and foreign assets and diplomatic missions and a lot of other things !! In general, I don’t want to dwell on this! and try to prove that Russia won more than lost !!
      I want to say about my position!
      1. Regarding the missile system, Russia considered it necessary to place it on its border and believes that it is in Russia's interests-excellent, but please do not be surprised and not hysterical about the armament of other countries! I'm not talking about you personally !!
      2. About * nailing into the pipeline * - my opinion here most depends on the position of Turkmenistan and its policy! If you provide the pipeline with gas, then I am convinced that the West will do everything possible and achieve the construction of this pipeline!
      with respect to all sane users !!
      1. Scorpion2012
        Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 23: 19
        -3
        Quote: Yarbay
        I don’t understand one thing, if even Russian is rude, then all amicably plus, if the opposite side speaks unreadable minus!


        What did Vafa Guluzade say? Christian factor, my dear. Did they save Abkhazia and South Ossetia iiiiiii? Chechens, Azerbaijanis, Georgians, the same Abkhazians, for them strangers. For them, the entire Caucasus is black. (Although I often look at the mirror and I can say with confidence that my (_, _) is whiter than the face of any egg-headed skinhead) But officially, they say this

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KcFQdLHL_w

        but in fact, market, Azerbots, khachiks and so on.

        And the cons to me purple. The site administration respects me. They don't want to get rid of me. Thanks to them :)

        Quote: Yarbay
        As for * nailing the pipeline *, my opinion here most of all depends on the position of Turkmenistan and its policy! If it supplies the pipeline with gas, then I am convinced that the West will do everything possible and achieve the construction of this pipeline!


        Absolutely right.
        1. Aleksey67
          Aleksey67 April 26 2012 23: 26
          +2
          Quote: Scorpion2012
          Although I often look at the mirror and with certainty I can say that my (_, _) is whiter than the face of any egghead skinhead


          You should contact a psychologist about this, and not boast of your success in frequently examining your (_, _) using a mirror on the Voennoye Obozreniye website winked
          What did Vafa Guluzade say?

          Looked at the articles of this "political scientist", they are amazing !!! laughing
          - “Zhirinovsky is recognized by Russian public opinion as a clown politician”
          - “Russia instructed Armenia to ignore Hillary Clinton’s statements”
          - "Armenia is losing almost all of its allies in the region"
          - "The special services of the Russian Federation are giving out disinformation"
          - "Ahmedinejad is better to sit and keep quiet"

          All this is here http://azeritoday.com/archives/tag/wafa-guluzade

          I agree that in this case, the name and surname correspond to the political scientist smile
          1. Scorpion2012
            Scorpion2012 April 26 2012 23: 31
            -2
            Quote: Aleksey67
            You should contact a psychologist about this, and not boast of your success in frequently examining your (_, _) using a mirror on the Voennoye Obozreniye website


            yes I was joking))))))))
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 April 26 2012 23: 40
              +2
              Quote: Scorpion2012
              yes I was joking))))))))


              A real man, as you position yourself, with honor and dignity, ready to die standing would never joke about his narcissism (_, _) laughing
              I'm kidding too smile By the way, I didn’t give you a single minus, however, as well as a plus smile
              1. Scorpion2012
                Scorpion2012 April 27 2012 02: 07
                -2
                Quote: Aleksey67
                I’m joking too. By the way, I didn’t give you a single minus, however, as well as a plus

                Believe me mutually :) But by and large, I don't care about the ratings and the pros and cons and bans as well. This site and I are indistinguishable.

                the father to die standing would never have joked about his narcissism (_, _)

                Ah Alexey Alexey, this expression is like that and you took it for reality :)

                The situation needs to be changed, otherwise we all swear and swear, so he joked and you immediately run into my honor (_, _)
                1. Aleksey67
                  Aleksey67 April 27 2012 09: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: Scorpion2012
                  oh Alexey Alexey, this expression is like that and you took it for reality :) The situation needs to be changed, otherwise we all swear and swear, so we joked and you immediately run into my honor (_, _)


                  Omar, something really is like that of Ostap ... feel
                  In fact, I respect your patriotism, leaving aside anti-Armenianism (I guess there is a reason for this), in fact, we (ordinary citizens) have nothing to share drinks
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 26 2012 23: 53
            0
            Alexey in what does the name and surname correspond to the political scientist? What do you mean by that ??
            1. Aleksey67
              Aleksey67 April 26 2012 23: 58
              -1
              Quote: Yarbay
              Alexey in what does the name and surname correspond to the political scientist? What do you mean by that ??


              You’ll guess the name yourself, I don’t want to be so scared, and the surname in Russian looks like "bare ass". Pure Azeri Natsik am And if he is known in narrow circles of Azerbaijan, then one should not consider him a "world luminary" of political science smile
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 26 2012 23: 36
          0
          I'm not talking about the consequences of the pluses and minuses, but that, without thinking about who wrote what, they are ready to condemn or approve the statements of this or that person !!
          And more on the topic of debts ??? who made these debts ?????
          who ruled the USSR ???
          Questions are not for Omar, but for everyone !!
          As for the religious factor, I agree, he is present in world politics !!!!
          1. Scorpion2012
            Scorpion2012 April 27 2012 02: 32
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            And more on the topic of debts ??? who made these debts ?????

            Having become interested in this topic, I decided to delve into history and find out when the main debts of the USSR were formed and what caused their formation.
            The first question arose about the dynamics of the increase in the debt of the USSR, the time of its formation and its size. It turned out the following picture:
            In 1975, the state external debt amounted to -15,4 billion dollars, and further:
            1980 -25,2 billion dollars
            1985 -31,4 billion dollars
            1987 -38,3 billion dollars
            1988 -42,2 billion dollars
            1989 -53,9 billion dollars
            1990 -62,5 billion dollars
            1991 -67,9 billion dollars
            1992 -78,6 billion dollars
            1993 -103,7 billion dollars


            Quote: Yarbay
            who ruled the USSR ???

            Jews.

            • Lenin and Stalin (half-Jews), 1917 - 1953.
            • Khrushchev (Jew Perlmutter) from 1954 to 1963.
            • Brezhnev (Jew of Ganopolsky). 1963 - 1983.
            • Andropov (half-Jew Ehrenstein - Lieberman, was married to a Jew)
            • Elders from the Central Committee, 1983 - 1985.
            • Gorbachev (Jew Gaider and his daughter married a Jew), 1985 - 1991.

            To this day, Jews.
            1. Civil
              Civil April 27 2012 11: 42
              0
              such statements, you will not get Israel as allies)))))
      2. Civil
        Civil April 27 2012 11: 39
        0
        China is clearly holding the Turkmen by the gills, and they, the Turkmen, will not give up gas.
  25. Tersky
    Tersky April 26 2012 22: 09
    +4
    Quote: Dust
    This is a solid thing, but who is Russia going to shoot at?

    And you look here, dear, maybe this will help to understand where and why http://army-news.ru/2011/03/ssha-vooruzhaet-sosedej-rossii/
  26. sazhka0
    sazhka0 April 27 2012 06: 18
    +1
    I didn't want to get involved in this business .. It's like in the theater. If there is a gun hanging on the wall, then it must definitely fire. But where?
    In general, it is simply indecent to arrange a squabble on half of the site ... Separately ... Somehow.
  27. Tatar-in
    Tatar-in April 27 2012 06: 24
    -3
    Increase the range to 600 km .. and there will be happiness
    1. Ares
      Ares April 27 2012 09: 22
      +1
      Quote: Tatar-in
      Increase the range to 600 km .. and there will be happiness


      The problem is detection and targeting. In reality, with an average difference in the height of the complex in the coastal zone relative to the water surface of 30-40 m, the range of independent detection of the ship will be about 40-70 km according to the radio horizon under different atmospheric conditions. For greater efficiency, either the presence of large HF range radars or interaction with ships or aircraft giving over-the-horizon target designation is needed.
  28. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz April 27 2012 10: 07
    0
    guessed,
    And how to get control center for 3000 km? 855 is not yet in the Navy.
  29. crossbow
    crossbow April 27 2012 10: 24
    0
    Target shield ....! All the same, shooting of this level must be carried out in conditions (as was usually said before) close to combat conditions, and this is active maneuvering of the target, and active use of the target for setting up various types of jamming. It is clear that such targets are expensive, but when you still need to start using them, the more they are suitable for firing all systems armed with anti-ship missiles.