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New details of the terrible tragedy in the Kemerovo shopping center

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There are new details of the horrible incident in the shopping center "Winter Cherry" of Kemerovo. A video has been published on YouTube by which one can judge the speed and intensity of the interior of the Kemerovo shopping center began to cover with acrid smoke already at the initial stage of the fire. The video was captured by a video surveillance camera, which was installed in the entertainment zone of the Winter Cherry shopping center.



64 is now known to be the victims. A few dozen are still missing. Some time ago, the Kuzbass Ministry of Emergency Situations Administration received reports that the fire in the dilapidated Winter Cherry was resumed again.

Five people a few hours ago were found alive in a mall.

Specialists of psychological support services work on the site of the raging nightmare drama and in organized special centers with relatives of those who died during the fire, trying, as far as possible, to help people who were killed with grief to cope with the terrible tragedy.

From the message press service Regional MES:
More than 60 psychologists EMERCOM of Russia and other operational services provide assistance and support to the relatives of the dead, injured and missing in the fire in the shopping center "Winter Cherry". Emergency psychological assistance was provided by more than in 70 cases by specialists from Kemerovo, Krasnoyarsk and Moscow. Psychologists work in a temporary accommodation center, which is located near the scene. There are relatives of the victims.


One of the relatives of the victims, barely holding back emotions, told the local media that his three children were in the cinema on the top floor of the shopping center during the fire. The eldest daughter called her father, saying that they could not get out of the cinema hall in smoke. From the first floor of the shopping center, he rushed to the rescue, but the whole space was already clouded with acrid smoke. The man could not help the children.

Many people were blocked in elevators, where timely assistance from the fire brigades did not arrive.

The authorities of the Kemerovo region declared a three-day mourning in memory of those killed in the fire at the Winter Cherry shopping and entertainment center. Mourning events will take place from 27 to 29 March.

New details of the terrible tragedy in the Kemerovo shopping center


The tragedy in Kemerovo cannot leave anyone indifferent in Russia. Words of condolences to Kemerovo come from abroad.
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  1. pavelty
    pavelty 26 March 2018 15: 14
    +7
    What a horror ...
    1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
      Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 26 March 2018 15: 19
      +48
      Each such shopping center in the country at the moment is a time bomb. And when it explodes, no one knows. In modern conditions, the owner and tenant are not interested in investing in the safety of their facilities. And then they “went too far” with the 294-federal law. If from the very beginning the legislator aimed to facilitate the activities of the most vulnerable layers of entrepreneurship - small and medium-sized enterprises, nowadays, the “monsters” of business are actually protected, these are large trading, wholesale markets and enterprises. Moreover, further liberalization of the legislation takes place. The so-called independent fire risk assessment (NRA) is actively being introduced into the field of fire safety. Many proven shopping malls have independent risk assessment findings. The specified document does not allow the state fire control authorities to carry out scheduled and unscheduled inspections during 3 years. In this situation, the work of regulatory authorities is ineffective.
      1. Logall
        Logall 26 March 2018 15: 24
        +10
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        Each shopping center in the country at the moment is a time bomb.

        It is necessary to oblige in such complexes (and not only) to install autonomous fire extinguishing systems. And conduct exercises with employees (at least classes) ...
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 26 March 2018 16: 33
          +21
          Quote: Logall
          It is necessary to oblige in such complexes (and not only) to install autonomous fire extinguishing systems. And conduct exercises with employees (at least classes) ...

          EPRST! But what's the point!? We forgot the joke where “someone” was given 2 metal ball and closed in an empty room .... and as a result: 1 ball is broken, another one is lost! And people say: "The pig will always find dirt!" Over the past year or two, they conducted exercises in the shopping center, and fire brigades snooped around ... and no sense! ... all for a tick ... all bribes are covered! How many similar emergency situations have there been already? As always, the same story happens: everyone is horrified, swearing, running like dichlorvous cockroaches, in their performances they beat themselves in the chest with their hooves, tear their anuses ostentatiously ... but some time passes .... and again the mud covers the Russian swamp. Corruption sir! Hybridization of legal indifference and confidence in the impunity of the "landlords" with official indifference, irresponsibility, impunity of the "powers that be" (that is, state structures ...), Mr. Comrade Barin!
          1. Awaz
            Awaz 26 March 2018 21: 36
            +2
            it’s not corruption. First of all, the businessman must assess the situation and think about customers. Such need to be punished in all severity and tear with crazy fines, what would the descendants still pay. Then they will understand and think. No checks and commissions will ever find anything serious. Well, you also need those who designed and laid the materials there, too, you need to attract. and to attract not under the article for murder by negligence (which right now they do), namely for a planned murder or attempt on him (if no one was even injured) by a group of people. And without mitigating and without parole, etc. ..
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 27 March 2018 00: 29
              +1
              Quote: AwaZ
              it’s not a matter of corruption. First of all, the businessman must assess the situation and think about customers. Such need to be punished in all severity and tear crazy fines, what would

              How naive you are! ... Or "blind"!
              1. mkop
                mkop 27 March 2018 09: 21
                +5
                Aren't you naive? Is the power to blame? Does the government force people (!) To relate to their job duties through their sleeves and at the same checks? One of the visitors complained at least somewhere about the closed evac. exits? I'm pretty sure not. All the people do not care, not just state. structures leads to this. We have it in the blood, such a feeling. There is always a reason to blame everything on power, while doing nothing.
                The same situation as with garbage in cities. Everyone yells: "Everything is filthy! Nobody removes anything!" And a question for people, what did you do to be clean? Did you bring the wrapper from ice cream to the trash or throw it away, where did you stand? Or maybe a beer bottle was brought to the trash, or they put and left next to the bench leg? Personally, I myself am already tired of fighting fools who cannot throw garbage into the garbage bin at the entrance and not leave it at the staircase at the entrance. They shit themselves, and the next day they stand and whine what a bucket around, although they themselves are to blame.
                As long as people at all (yes, yes, at ALL - from the bottom to the top) levels there will be poher for everything, including their own safety and well-being, there will be a mess everywhere, there will be tragedies.
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 27 March 2018 09: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: mkop
                  Is the power to blame?

                  Quote: mkop
                  All the people do not care, not just state. structures leads to this.

                  And "power" is to blame, and "people" are not without sin!
                  1. mkop
                    mkop 27 March 2018 10: 03
                    +3
                    The humor is that you start to go to them with inspections, howl there and then: "Some inspections interfere with business development." Then what will you do with such businesses? Again, power is to blame. Do not go with checks, in the next such case they will say: "Nobody is watching anything, nobody cares about everything." Again, power is to blame. How to be that?
                    1. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I 27 March 2018 13: 44
                      +1
                      Quote: mkop
                      start to go to them with checks, howl there and then: "Some checks prevent business from developing."

                      So, "thanks" to this "howl" how much, e-mine. concessions were made! The feeling arises that the state is striving to be "holier than the pope" for businessmen! and there’s still “bullshit”: the state of the trader about supporting “small business”, in fact, now and then puts the “sticks in the wheels” of MB! (I, like the FE, felt this “bullshit” on myself, to the point of absurdity, it happens, the situation comes!) But the "muddy" businessmen expanse!
                      1. mkop
                        mkop 27 March 2018 15: 21
                        +2
                        It was not necessary to do indulgence? There would be someone else who would yell that the authorities are to blame.
                        Muddy businessmen will always be expanse. They do not care about all these norms and rules, again ordinary people indulge this - those who are busy with these checks - make it possible to buy permits, etc. Who is to blame for the fact that some give bribes to inspectors, while others take? And then the children and relatives of the same inspectors go to those institutions where their folder waved a signature on a piece of paper, they say everything is fine with them. Who's guilty? The authorities are to blame for the fact that they met two morons who are not interested in anything but money, even their own security?
                      2. Awaz
                        Awaz 28 March 2018 17: 17
                        0
                        now, you Nikolaevich, have you ever tried in your life to somehow act on a system? It’s trite, at least once in your life, have you called the ZhEK to clean the snow at home. It is unlikely .. However, you blame everyone for serious sins. Only this can. Personally, I have experience with local authorities. Yes, there’s a mess and idiocy, but if you act by legal methods and don’t express it (as you all love it), you can at least protect yourself as a loved one. I even dismissed the illegal fines of the administration from the gays. And already when you come to them a second time with a claim and express it in the legally correct language, they don’t even greet but go and stupidly correct or deal with the current problem.
            2. Kryukov
              Kryukov 27 March 2018 07: 09
              0
              No checks and commissions will ever find anything serious. Well, you also need those who designed and laid the materials there, too, you need to attract. and bring not according to the article for murder by negligence (which right now they do), namely for a planned murder or attempt on him

              Ten times I agree with your words!
              This fire should be the reason for the adoption of the Law on Cruel Punishment, all who .... but in general completely agree with you.
              It is very sorry for the dead people, it is hard to realize about, for nothing, the dead children.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 26 March 2018 15: 42
        +26
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        And then they “went too far” with the 294-federal law.

        We, as usual, either overdo it or overdo it. (I apologize for toftology) Such checks as fire safety in such "Winter Cherries" should be carried out once every 6 months. But checks by fiscal and other structures are enough and 1go times in 3 of the year. Well, how much can you get burned on like that! The Lame Horse taught nothing, now Cherry. Put those responsible, from the leader to the executors, those who passed and those who signed the building acceptance certificate, and under Article 105 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (premeditated murder), without the right to parole .. I saw 59, I’ve seen a lot, survived a lot but this .. .. Poor parents of children, my heart bleeds, a lump in my throat, but such that I can’t swallow it.
      3. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 26 March 2018 16: 09
        +4
        Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
        here they “went too far” with the 294-federal law. If from the very beginning the legislator aimed to facilitate the activities of the most vulnerable layers of entrepreneurship - small and medium-sized enterprises, nowadays, the “monsters” of business are actually protected, these are large trading, wholesale markets and enterprises. Moreover, further liberalization of the legislation takes place. The so-called independent fire risk assessment is actively being introduced into the field of fire safety

        That's exactly it! I’ve been talking about this for a long time, but what's the point!
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 26 March 2018 19: 46
          +9
          Nikolaevich hi Forgive me for harsh words, but they substitute young boys. Those who make decisions remain behind the scenes. I know the whole system from the inside. Seen enough beyond measure. And those guys who die every year on fires? What are they to blame? Fulfilled their duty. Not so long ago, a link died - a nachkar and two soldiers, went to make sure that everyone was evacuated and the collapse of the ceilings ... Eh ...
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 26 March 2018 20: 18
            +6
            Quote: Svarog51
            And those guys who die every year on fires?

            Sergey, drinks ! It's not about these guys, those who die in fires do not collect bribes from boutiques, they collect those that saw fire and smoke only in the brazier.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 26 March 2018 20: 32
              +4
              Victor hi Yes, I said such. While serving, I’ve seen enough. Both good and bad. Although the service is not entirely connected with fire, but three times I saw the "bony" closely. And for those who went into the fire - I helped return with all my might. And drunk mercilessly for their own means of salvation (communication). Maybe it came to someone.
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 26 March 2018 20: 34
                +3
                Quote: Svarog51
                Yes, I said such.
                Sorry, Sergey, I didn’t immediately drive in, repeat
                Quote: Svarog51
                Maybe it came to someone.
                I hope that the greater the number, the less grief in their house.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 27 March 2018 02: 14
                  +1
                  Victor hi It’s you who forgiveness forgive me. It rolled. drinks
                  There will be free time - write in PM.
          2. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 27 March 2018 01: 00
            +2
            Quote: Svarog51
            not so long ago a link died - a nachkar and two fighters, went to make sure that everyone was evacuated and the collapse of the ceilings ... Eh ...

            Sorry The dead are worthy of eternal memory and glory! Forgive me if these words seem pompous to you, but I'm serious. It is thanks to such people that at least some order exists and is maintained in our country! It is thanks to such "ordinary" ... "everyday" heroes who are not thinking, "rush to the embrasure." performing a duty (it doesn’t matter which one: whether it’s official or conscience ...) without figuring out who this bunker "built". A counterbalance is created to legal indifference, a mess in the country, not allowing the state system to be completely devalued. .And I'm still sorry that innocent people pay their lives for pres upnoe behavior, callousness of those who are really to blame: the officials, "owners" and prosto.bezotvetstvennyh people.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 27 March 2018 02: 18
              +1
              Nikolaevich hi Sorry for the harshness. I apologize. hi
              You said it right. And unfortunately there are officials in the Ministry of Emergencies, but there are more normal ones.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 27 March 2018 03: 32
                +1
                Quote: Svarog51
                Sorry for the harshness. I apologize

                Accepted ! I understand everything and I’m not offended ... drinks

                Quote: Svarog51
                And unfortunately there are officials in the Ministry of Emergencies, but there are more normal

                I agree! I’m saying that if there were fewer normal ones, then in the country in general the “kirdyk” would come to order ... And in the Ministry of Emergencies I know people; For some time I was engaged in electronic communications and data transmission systems in the regional Ministry of Emergencies ..... I can’t say anything bad about them ... only good! hi
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 27 March 2018 03: 38
                  +2
                  For some time he worked in the regional Ministry of Emergencies electronic communication and data transmission systems

                  So are we colleagues? I’m a communications officer of the Ministry of Emergencies, though I’ve been a retired for 7 years. drinks
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 27 March 2018 03: 53
                    +2
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    So are we colleagues? I am a communications officer of the Ministry of Emergencies

                    “Interesting girls are dancing!” .... It turns out that colleagues! fellow
                    Quote: Svarog51
                    true for 7 years as a retired

                    Duc ... and I am "such" .... recourse But nothing ..... Life is not over! good drinks
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 27 March 2018 03: 58
                      0
                      Duc ... and I am "such" ....

                      Oh, how! good
                      But nothing ..... Life is not over!

                      I agree! drinks The rest is in PM, otherwise ... recourse
        2. Ross_ulair
          Ross_ulair 26 March 2018 20: 19
          +2
          On the issue of fire risks and inspection organizations:
          "Kiosk? No, emergency exit.
          Now many scold the Ministry of Emergency Situations for ignoring problems with the emergency exits of the shopping center, and rightly so, but many of you, having noticed the picture that will be laid out below, will pass by indifferently, I myself turned a blind eye for half a year. There is a shopping center "Europe on Khrushchev" in our city, in which there is an emergency exit, but the corridor was empty before this exit, and this is a retail space, the owner decided this money and handed it over to the outlet. "




          From here:
          https://pikabu.ru/story/kiosk_net_zapasnyiy_vyikh
          od_5804097
      4. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 26 March 2018 23: 49
        0
        And why is the shopping center listed as an object Small business? Who registered?
    2. 210ox
      210ox 26 March 2018 15: 21
      +3
      The tragedy is terrible .. I remember there was something like this at the Hotel "Russia" in Moscow in the 70s ... But there were no children there .. I am sorry for my relatives ..
    3. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 26 March 2018 15: 24
      +10
      That's what ... material needs to be built to make the floor blaze in seconds ?!
      Even wooden houses do not light up like that ...

      And the instant smoke was almost ... Here, rescue equipment (gas masks) would not have saved - just would not have time to use
    4. vlad66
      vlad66 26 March 2018 15: 25
      +8
      Horror, Kemerovo forces and courage to you, Yaroslavl region mourns with you.
    5. Finches
      Finches 26 March 2018 15: 30
      +23
      It was a candy factory once ... Bankrupt and sold under a shopping center. The school, which is now used for ... N 7, I studied in it!
      I don’t want to say anything about Tuleyev, the city authorities - this trouble can happen anywhere in our country, and the world, everything is everywhere, essentially the same - from Vladivostok to Kaliningrad, from Vancouver to Kanbbera - this is not the irresponsibility of officials, but businessmen and all sorts of Entrepreneurs who think ahead of their wallet and never think of a person! They are at the beginning, and then the controllers and everyone else. He wanted to cut down millions - try to remain a man - although this is practically impossible ........ The thirst for profit always kills humanity in man - such is life! Even Christ was sold for a miserable 30 silver coins ... - as a vivid example of a perverted human being, what already speaks of ordinary people! Fearfully.....
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 26 March 2018 15: 52
        +9
        Quote: Finches
        He wanted to cut down millions - try to remain human - although this is practically impossible .......

        That's just it, that money is like blinkers, eyes and conscience are frozen.
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 March 2018 15: 55
          +7
          None of us will refuse to be rich, no one will refuse to be a man - but how to combine this - only units that we will never know can correctly answer ... We won’t even know or tell what we’ll do in such a situation!

          The state must, without any sentiment, close all those whom it is possible and punish all those who cannot - in the future, such injustice, at first glance, will save someone's life!
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 26 March 2018 16: 01
            +4
            Quote: Finches
            None of us will refuse to be rich, no one will refuse to be human

            Judging by this tragedy, someone (and not in the singular) refused to be a man for the sake of wealth. Eugene, hi !
            1. Finches
              Finches 26 March 2018 16: 02
              +2
              Most likely, unfortunately, here you are right! Theologians are right, God knows from what time - those who went against the System, they are waiting for the "troubles" of Peter crucified upside down, Paul was stoned .... hi
              1. Finches
                Finches 26 March 2018 16: 28
                +5
                People died here ... children! No philosophical sentiment is needed - the state must act tough on everyone, even indirect participants in the tragedy, otherwise it is impossible!
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 26 March 2018 17: 49
              +6
              Quote: Tersky
              Judging by this tragedy, someone (and not in the singular) refused to be a man for the sake of wealth

              the question is deep-and whether the so-called "rich" remained people?
              Or is the thirst for naziava kill all human - pain, compassion, pity?
              After all, the deepest question is that our "elite" are only rich.
              And on the bottoms of the “zeros”, it is getting dark in many eyes, so they want to “earn” that they forget about their work, instructions. orders. All at random. The run for money continues.
          2. gm9019
            gm9019 26 March 2018 17: 52
            +8
            Quote: Finches
            None of us will refuse to be rich, no one will refuse to be a man - but how to combine it - only units that we will never know about can correctly answer ...

            Why so? There is one life example - the daughter of a VERY rich person studied in our English school, she studied in a regular class. These parents drove her to all circles and sections, forced her to study conscientiously - "we are not eternal, let her study, let everything know how to do it herself." When we went on excursions, they paid for those who could not contribute money - “let the whole class go, let everyone look at the beauty”, and they never advertised this, they gave money to the class teacher slowly and she drove everyone to Valaam, and to Valdai, and everywhere ...
            To set these worthy people as an example to those who forgot about conscience and decency.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 26 March 2018 18: 15
              +3
              Quote: gm9019
              To set these worthy people as an example to those who forgot about conscience and decency.

              I think this is the exception rather than the rule. Just the girl’s parents were smart
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 26 March 2018 19: 52
                +1
                Just the girl’s parents were smart

                Why? Not all conscience was sold. They were not only smart, but also far-sighted. With their act, they will bring someone into people and make HUMAN.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 26 March 2018 20: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  Why? Not all conscience was sold. They were not only smart, but also far-sighted. With their act, they will bring someone into people and make HUMAN

                  that's why they are smart, think ahead
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 26 March 2018 20: 50
                    0
                    that's why they are smart, think ahead

                    And the cunning use it. Mom is alone, never having visited her husband and having three children in every possible way used this. Children are not to blame for this, and conscientious dads have to "pay the bills." Why should they tear away from their children? I now encounter a similar one. The neighbor opposite three husbands buried, drinks godlessly. Broke the neck of the thigh drunk. I have not seen such concern in my life on the part of social organs. A year and a half walks with a walker and everyone pities her. And, I know for sure, other people in six months with a stick are already embarrassed to walk. Such a life to keep? So there are more needy. How do you like this?
        2. Anti-Corr.
          Anti-Corr. 26 March 2018 16: 21
          +5
          Quote: Tersky
          , city authorities - this trouble can happen anywhere in our country,

          Quote: Tersky
          That's just it, that money is like blinkers, eyes and conscience are frozen.

          In RI there was such a tradition, a stolen official was brought a tray with a glass of cognac, and under a napkin a revolver with one cartridge, there is a desire that everyone would bring it, but without cognac.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 26 March 2018 16: 35
            +10
            Quote: Anti-Corr.
            In RI there was such a tradition, a stealing official was brought a tray with a glass of cognac, and a revolver with one cartridge under a napkin

            It was a good tradition. Only now I’m afraid in modern Russia there is either not so much cognac, or there will not be enough cartridges.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 26 March 2018 16: 45
              -2
              Maybe even here you can do without political campaigning?
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 26 March 2018 16: 49
                +5
                Quote: Mestny
                Maybe even here you can do without political campaigning?

                Where did you see them? We are talking about traditions that, in essence, would not hurt to adopt, especially in such a case, but no, we have a moratorium ... we are a civilized country. Only now the states have bolted civilization, for there is nothing more expensive than the lives of children.
                1. Anti-Corr.
                  Anti-Corr. 26 March 2018 17: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: Tersky
                  for there is nothing more precious than the lives of children.

                  And how can parents live with this?
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 26 March 2018 17: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: Anti-Corr.
                    And how can parents live with this?

                    I can’t even imagine whether it is possible to live after this?
                    1. Anti-Corr.
                      Anti-Corr. 26 March 2018 17: 59
                      +4
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      I can’t imagine if it’s possible to live after that?

                      I've seen a lot in my life, but in order to record 40 more children in the "missing", but here I’ve seen enough of a fool in YouTube .... I don’t have a damn word, there’s a lump in my throat, Mlyn .....
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day 26 March 2018 18: 13
                        +4
                        Quote: Anti-Corr.
                        I don’t have a damn word, a lump in my throat is standing, Mlyn

                        I suffered, but could no longer. I drank vodka, it became a little easier, but I can’t watch the box. There, vampires flocked there, but I want silence.
        3. dima9990
          dima9990 26 March 2018 19: 11
          +2
          And what caught the eyes of the runaway staff and guards? They didn’t even open emergency passages!
    6. Proxima
      Proxima 26 March 2018 16: 25
      +6
      Quote: pavlentiy
      What a horror ...

      Unfortunately, such horror will continue as long as PROFIT is at the forefront of the merchant! Marx was right, who said that a bourgeois would kill his own mother for a 1000% profit. Lenin was right, who said that the capitalist would sell the rope at an exorbitant price, knowing full well that they would subsequently hang him on it! All this has already been passed, re-passed ...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 26 March 2018 16: 50
        +8
        there are thousands of such “govnocentres” in the country, it is surprising that there are few incidents, the “lame horse” in Perm didn’t teach anything ... here the “firemen” must be blamed ...
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 26 March 2018 17: 00
          +7
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          such "govnotsentrov" in the country, thousands

          And almost all built-completed-built on the same scheme, the lower the cost of quality materials, the more profit.
          1. albert
            albert 26 March 2018 19: 01
            +3
            They are built and the devil knows how. Look, all the clubs and most of the shopping centers are concrete boxes with almost no windows. And those that are like loopholes in medieval towers. The lighting inside is just electric. The energy is cut out, and from there it’s not immediately You’ll get out. And the ventilation sucks. All the walls and ceilings, plastic and other combustible materials. And as a result we have what we have.
        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 26 March 2018 20: 08
          +2
          Yurich hi
          here the "firefighters" must be blanched ...

          Firefighters are fire victims. Those who fight with fire are firefighters. Inspection arrives to draw up documents. IPL - test - fire laboratory finds out the causes of fire. The service is very ambiguous. I did not mention very much. Yes, I know - you see the enemy, but you can’t shoot. It's the same here. I do not defend the inspection - they are guilty, but by order from above. Will they get to the true culprits?
          1. Alexander War
            Alexander War 26 March 2018 21: 18
            +1
            hi Such a question, should there be forced ventilation in such shopping centers for fire safety? As in houses, when forced fire is turned on in a fire, which draws smoke-smoke?
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 27 March 2018 02: 31
              +1
              Alexander hi Here is the very same double-edged sword. Ventilation removes smoke, but at the same time, the influx of fresh oxygen ignites the flame. This is very clearly shown in the movie "Backdraft" with Kurt Russell. I recommend to see. good
              1. Dezinto
                Dezinto 27 March 2018 02: 48
                +1
                I watched the film - I know. But still, if ventilation and exhaust were working properly! such an effect as in the film would not have happened! The air must circulate everywhere !, and there must not be excessive pressure anywhere!

                And these box-cinema halls, in which two hundred people are packed! with two exits! Well, well, well!
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 27 March 2018 03: 18
                  +1
                  Nicholas hi Well, I brought this for clarity. In each case, their troubles happen. I, too, are bypassing such "anthills" or with a minimum time of stay.
                  1. Dezinto
                    Dezinto 27 March 2018 03: 42
                    +1
                    Well, I brought it for clarity

                    I understood.....
                    Just what a horror I happened in general shocked! Did you see the list of the dead? - 9 years old, 7, 5,2, ....... yes, damn it transdec how such could be allowed !!!!! ssssuki!
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 27 March 2018 19: 10
                      +1
                      I saw that right at the blood runs cold. I feel sorry for the children to tears. They would live and live, and here ...
              2. prorab_ak
                prorab_ak 27 March 2018 18: 05
                0
                Alexander hi Here is just the very double-edged sword. Ventilation removes smoke, but at the same time, the influx of fresh oxygen ignites the flame. This is very clearly shown in the movie "Backdraft" with Kurt Russell. I recommend to see. good

                It seems that they worked in the Ministry of Emergencies, but they are expressed in a language .... strange.
                According to SP7 “Ventilation. Fire Safety Requirements”, when the APS alarm is triggered, the supply and exhaust ventilation system must be turned off. And according to the requirements of FZ-123, and also SP7, corridors longer than 15 m without natural lighting should be equipped with a smoke exhaust system. There are many more cases (determined at the design stage by various joint ventures and airbags) when the objects of protection should be equipped with smoke ventilation, which includes smoke exhaust systems, air back-up systems, etc.
                So there is no stick .... there is a set of mandatory actions and measures to increase the time of evacuation of people from the object
  2. Logall
    Logall 26 March 2018 15: 15
    +12
    his three children were in a movie theater on the top floor of the shopping center during a fire. The eldest daughter called her father, saying that in smoke they could not get out of the cinema hall.
    God forbid from such a parent.
    I'm so sorry. Strength and courage to relatives ...
  3. brigadier
    brigadier 26 March 2018 15: 16
    +6
    What a tragedy.
    Condolences to families.
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  5. New Year day
    New Year day 26 March 2018 15: 23
    +12
    even from reading on this tragedy goosebumps go, I can’t watch a box about it, the tears are welling up. Do not bring the Lord to be in the place of poor parents. But many came in families, possibly families, and died.
    You look at the granddaughter and understand how human life is fragile.
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    1. Vovanfalcon
      Vovanfalcon 26 March 2018 16: 40
      +3
      Well, what does the government have to do with it ??? ... you are already mad in your opposition! The tragedy happened, human grief !!!!!!!
      1. Bronevick
        Bronevick 26 March 2018 18: 40
        +7
        And who passed the amendments to the law to reduce inspections of small and medium-sized businesses? Probably Ukrainians or Americans? Probably the visitors themselves should monitor the fire condition of the crowded rooms? No, no, the government is not to blame for anything. I understand you are offended, you probably voted for stability. How convenient it is when you point out the direct responsibilities of the state, then you are immediately an opposition, a leader, a crest,.
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 26 March 2018 21: 39
          +1
          and who squealed from all the cracks that crush the merchants and prevent them from living. Given freedom - they are insolent. You probably also resented that the authorities are pressing business?
  7. NF68
    NF68 26 March 2018 15: 27
    +5
    Many people were blocked in elevators, where timely assistance from the fire brigades did not arrive.


    The use of elevators in case of fire is prohibited. Another thing is that during a fire, not everyone can read the appropriate signs located near the elevators. Either the fire caught these people in the elevators and the elevators stopped due to a power outage.
    1. ludoger
      ludoger 26 March 2018 19: 07
      +2
      what does it have to do with it? when working out alarms all elevators automatically go to the 1 floor, open and shut off. in the “damned scoop” it was just that.
      1. NF68
        NF68 26 March 2018 21: 04
        0
        Quote: ludoger
        what does it have to do with it? when working out alarms all elevators automatically go to the 1 floor, open and shut off. in the “damned scoop” it was just that.


        And if, as a result of a fire, the elevators stop and the people in the elevators, even if the flame does not reach the elevators, simply suffocate in the elevators from the smoke? Such cases have happened. And therefore, in the event of a fire, you should go down or climb only the stairs. Another thing is that it is not uncommon for emergency exits to be either cluttered or locked with locks instead of easily openable locks without any key.

        In Germany, not damned as a “scoop”, they also adhere to this rule. And in other EU countries and outside the EU, too, adhere to this rule. Damned "scoop" has nothing to do with it.
        1. prorab_ak
          prorab_ak 27 March 2018 18: 13
          0
          And if, as a result of a fire, the elevators stop and the people in the elevators, even if the flame does not reach the elevators, simply suffocate in the elevators from the smoke?

          If this happens, although this should not be the default, for this, according to the standards, the elevator shafts are equipped with an air back-up system
          1. NF68
            NF68 27 March 2018 21: 44
            0
            Quote: prorab_ak
            And if, as a result of a fire, the elevators stop and the people in the elevators, even if the flame does not reach the elevators, simply suffocate in the elevators from the smoke?

            If this happens, although this should not be the default, for this, according to the standards, the elevator shafts are equipped with an air back-up system


            This is just quite normal, since during fires, the supply of electricity due to short-circuit is not often stopped or the supply of electricity is forced to be turned off so as not to threaten the firefighters who extinguish the fire mainly with water. Why expose people to real danger, inventing the devil knows that without a firm guarantee of security?
            1. prorab_ak
              prorab_ak 28 March 2018 16: 40
              0
              This is just quite normal, since during fires, the supply of electricity from the

              I do not know where you have this is normal. belay
              I have 15 office buildings under management. And the situation is as follows.
              The elevators are powered by a cable line from the building's ASU panels, and they are also sitting on the ATS (emergency reserve input). In order for the elevator’s power supply to disappear, the fire must reach the cable shaft or the switchboard, and it will be such a fire that smoke smoke detectors will smoke long before that, the APS (alarm) will be triggered, and the elevators will drop to the 1st floor and stay there.
              or forced to turn off the power supply so as not to threaten firefighters

              Do not turn off the power, never ... in any case in office buildings. The main lighting should work as long as possible, as well as emergency lighting, which by the way is also powered by the general system (although it has a UPS)
              Well, or if the firefighters ask ..... so by then there will be no one to evacuate there and the notorious elevators will either stand on the 1st floor for a long time, or will melt in the fire for a long time.
              1. NF68
                NF68 28 March 2018 18: 17
                0
                Quote: prorab_ak
                I do not know where you have this is normal.


                This is a requirement for firefighters to escape routes when it comes to ordinary and most common elevators. For example, in Kazakhstan, where I worked in the fire department in Russia for not more than 4 years:

                It is strictly forbidden to use the elevator during a fire, in this situation, not only can the power supply suddenly turn off, but the elevator shaft itself works as an exhaust hood, which can cause poisoning by combustion products. An elevator during a fire is a real chimney in which it is easy to suffocate. In addition, during a fire, they can specifically turn off the electricity.

                What to do in case of fire in the elevator?

                If, being in the elevator car, you notice smoke or fire, you should immediately contact the dispatcher. Now you need to get out. When moving the elevator, one should not try to stop it forcibly - let him do it himself. If the elevator stops between floors, you do not need to try to get out of it. Otherwise, you may fall into the mine. Try to open the doors using the tools at hand: cane, umbrella, keys, and call for help. In order not to suffer from smoke, cover the respiratory openings with some cloth (handkerchief, scarf, item of clothing). After you have managed to get out of the cab (on your own or with someone else's help), you must make sure that other people cannot use the elevator. To do this, it is necessary to lock the doors, again, with improvised means.

                An exception is special elevators, which have a mode of operation during a fire. They are indicated by the icon "Elevator for firefighters" (photo 2)

                The operating mode of the elevator “Transportation of Fire Units” is the established sequence of actions of the elevator control system, providing for its operation under the direct control and management of firefighters. At the same time, the operation mode of the elevator “Transportation of fire units” is the next phase after the “Fire hazard” mode. An elevator for transporting fire departments can be used to rescue the disabled during a fire.

                The elevator for firefighters, unlike conventional elevators, must have a design that allows it to be used in a fire for as long as possible. Carriage of goods in the elevator for firefighters during normal times should be prohibited, since in the event of a fire this may lead to an unacceptable delay or inability to use the elevator to fight the fire. Reliability of energy supply is the most important condition for the operation of the elevator for firefighters.

                in Germany:

                Fahrstühle - Im Brandfall nicht benutzen
                Jeder kennt ihn, den Satz an fast jeder Fahrstuhltür: "Im Brandfall nicht benutzen!" Die Aussage ist klar, aber wissen Sie welche Gründe überhaupt dahinter stecken?





                Hinter dieser lebensrettenden Aussage stehen zwei wichtige Aspekte. Der erste ist relativ naheliegend:



                # 1: Ein Fahrstuhl benötigt natürlich Strom um zu funktionieren. Das heißt also, wenn während einer Fahrstuhlfahrt der Strom ausfällt, ist die Fahrt vorbei, ob Sie an ihrem Ziel angekommen sind oder nicht.



                Wenn dies nun gerade dann passiert, wenn Sie den Fahrstuhl als Fluchtweg nutzen möchten, stecken Sie in einer noch gefährlicheren Lage. Fahrstuhlschächte gehen meist vom Keller bis in das oberste Geschoss, diese bilden somit für den "Kamineffekt" nahezu ideale Bedinungen. Der Rauch mit den höchst giftigen Brandgasen wird den Fahrstuhlschacht als Abzug nutzen und Sie stecken mitten drin. Sie können sich vorstellen, dass ihre Überlebenschancen in dieser Situation sehr gering sind.



                # 2: Der zweite Aspekt setzt voraus, dass jemand in einem verrauchten Geschoss den Fahrstuhl angefordert hat oder sie versehentlich in dieses gefahren sind. Damit Fahrstuhltüren beim automatischen Öffnen und Schließen niemanden verletzen, wird vor dem Betätigen der Tür mit einer Lichtschranke überprüft, ob der Türbereich frei ist. Sollte sich der Fahrstuhl nun im Brandgeschoss befinden, so wird er dieses unter Umständen nicht mehr verlassen.



                Der Grund ist einfach: Durch den Rauch zwischen den beiden Sensoren der Lichtschranke wird die Betätigung der Türnicht mehr freigegeben und die Flüchtenden sitzen in der Falle. Die einzige Möglichkeit einer Flucht bestünde darin, in dem verrauchtem Geschoss das Fluchttreppenhaus zu finden.

                , Italy, Croatia and other countries.
      2. prorab_ak
        prorab_ak 27 March 2018 18: 11
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        Yes, and now the same thing. The elevator control station is tied to the APS. When the “FIRE” signal is triggered in the automatic fire alarm system, a command pulse is generated at the elevator control station. Lifts fall (figuratively wink ) on 1 et. open the door and remain so "to die."
        On my site like that. OTIS elevators. We do a comprehensive check once a quarter. Always fall, no misfires.
        1. NF68
          NF68 28 March 2018 18: 18
          0
          Quote: prorab_ak
          Yes, and now the same thing. The elevator control station is tied to the APS. When the “FIRE” signal is triggered in the automatic fire alarm system, a command pulse is generated at the elevator control station. Lifts fall (figuratively wink ) on 1 et. open the door and remain so "to die."
          On my site like that. OTIS elevators. We do a comprehensive check once a quarter. Always fall, no misfires.


          But were there real fires at your facilities with ordinary elevators that were not special for extinguishing fires?
          1. prorab_ak
            prorab_ak 28 March 2018 21: 06
            0
            Thank God no. We do not have elevators for fire departments, as standards for our facilities is not necessary. Buildings below 28m in height.
            To your answer above.
            I do not dispute what you wrote. Of course, elevators cannot be used during evacuation. I’m only talking about the fact that with a CORRECTLY organized fire protection system of the building, and this includes warning systems, evacuation organizations, disconnection of certain engineering communications systems, you simply cannot use the elevator, they will shut off. Elevators for fire departments behave in the same way. With the difference that they are transferred using the key to a special mode and can continue to work, but they can’t be called up from the floor only from inside the cabin .... like that hi
            1. NF68
              NF68 29 March 2018 16: 58
              0
              Quote: prorab_ak
              Thank God no. We do not have elevators for fire departments, as standards for our facilities is not necessary. Buildings below 28m in height.
              To your answer above.
              I do not dispute what you wrote. Of course, elevators cannot be used during evacuation. I’m only talking about the fact that with a CORRECTLY organized fire protection system of the building, and this includes warning systems, evacuation organizations, disconnection of certain engineering communications systems, you simply cannot use the elevator, they will shut off. Elevators for fire departments behave in the same way. With the difference that they are transferred using the key to a special mode and can continue to work, but they can’t be called up from the floor only from inside the cabin .... like that hi


              You just pay attention to the signs indicating evacuation leaving the buildings or premises and you will surely see such signs, but in no case do not instruct to leave the building using elevators, but along the stairs:





              The evacuation routes themselves are also subject to certain and fairly unambiguous requirements.

              In addition, significantly more people can be evacuated along the stairs at a time than with elevators, even if these elevators are specifically designed to extinguish fires. All these requirements were formulated in all countries of the world after the experience of many decades and a large number of victims of fires.

              And the devil already knows from what times operational plans or fire extinguishing cards began to be developed for fire hazardous facilities or facilities with a massive stay of people:

              http://zinref.ru/000_uchebniki/03850pojarnoe_delo
              / 003_spr_rukovoditela_tushenia_pojara_ivannikov / 0
              34.htm

              This is a kind of cheat sheet developed individually for each object. This allows you to quickly and efficiently take appropriate measures in case of fire and for the evacuation of people. In cases where these requirements are fully met, the chances of a successful rescue of people are close to 100%.
  8. Kosmotoga
    Kosmotoga 26 March 2018 15: 28
    +2
    here's how to help a business here they cry about excessive checks? Well done fewer checks and now what.
  9. NF68
    NF68 26 March 2018 15: 29
    +2
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    Each shopping center in the country at the moment is a time bomb. And when it explodes no one knows


    In shops where the devil hangs up, he knows how the situation is also no better. If not worse.
  10. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 26 March 2018 15: 32
    +6
    What a horror ....
    Deepest condolences to the families of the victims, a speedy recovery to the injured!
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 26 March 2018 15: 35
      +8
      1) How did it happen that a fire alarm did not work in a shopping center, a place where people were crowded? There was neither a siren, nor a loud notification, and the employees of the shopping center themselves learned about the fire after seeing the fire on the monitors. That is, surveillance cameras worked, but fire detectors did not. Instead of a fire siren, the light went out in the shopping center. People were rushing in panic, they only guessed about the fire when the smoke came out. Why was there not even an announcement on the speakerphone?

      2. How did it happen that the shopping center in 2016 avoided checking the fire supervision because of the “supervisory holidays” for small businesses? (And since when is a four-story shopping center a small business?)
      Why wasn't it checked even after electrical problems in 2017, when the entire building was evacuated due to the smell of burning?

      3. For public buildings there are strict regulations and safety requirements. In the interior should not be flammable materials and plastic, giving toxic smoke. How did it happen that TB was broken in the trash, and the fourth floor broke out like gunpowder?

      4. Why do we rub it so hard that some “teenagers” set fire to the trampoline room (whataaa ??), when the shopping center had already had problems with wiring and smoke?

      Questions, of course, are correct, but it is too late to ask them today ...
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 26 March 2018 16: 48
        0
        Not too late.
        There are thousands in the country. if not tens of thousands of such shopping centers.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 26 March 2018 17: 53
          +1
          Quote: Mestny
          Not too late.
          There are thousands in the country. if not tens of thousands of such shopping centers.

          companionship. And daily constant work is needed in this direction.
      2. dima-fesko
        dima-fesko 26 March 2018 22: 41
        0
        Why automatic fire alarms (APS)? I do not know the norms of the Russian Federation, but they are all based on the requirements soaked in blood and then developed under the Soviet Union (almost all CIS countries).
        This building is a multifunctional complex, there should be an active fire protection in the form of an automatic fire extinguishing system. APS as one of the means of its automatic start. As a rule, in such buildings, automatic text notification was most likely switched to manual mode (it often worked, which led to undesirable panic and resonance), and it was switched on in advance !!!
        The "activity" on economic liberalization is yielding results! Moratoriums on checks and pseudo "declarations" subsequently lead to such tragedies.
        Moreover, these issues should be considered at the design stage. Either the designer "sucker", or this was absent in the design assignment. So to say, cost savings.
        The issue of interior decoration is not worth a hatched egg at all. The inspector’s leg simply didn’t set foot there. Back moratorium on verification. If I walked, they accused me of interfering with business and beg for a handout. Rollback? The fact that the building was stuffed with synthetically and polymeric materials with unknown fire performance is a fact. Even visible in the video. China?
        And in conclusion: the building should have emergency and evacuation lighting powered by the 1st category of reliability of power supply. Where?
        Door lock, possibly automatic as a bank (by the way, it is possible in two versions, it is locked and unlocked in the absence of voltage). By the way, with backup power supply this could play a cruel joke (not to jokes) with automatic locking. The question is who thought of installing it in a building with a massive stay of people.
        So to say amateur note!

        In addition, gas flared up as if in volume and speed!
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 27 March 2018 09: 20
          +1
          I can assume that the expression “Locking the doors” is just a figure of speech. Emergency and fire exits could simply be locked. In such establishments, the doors, which can be potentially open at any time, constitute a serious “hindrance” for the guards. And the guards are not to blame. On the guards save, and a lot of doors.
  11. Livonetc
    Livonetc 26 March 2018 15: 40
    +10
    Natural tragedy.
    And there may be repetitions.
    And the reason is
    "Enough nightmare business."
    Only business from this did not become law-abiding and did not bring taxes to the treasury anymore and began to treat staff irresponsibly.
    Since there is no liability.
    Stopped "nightmare business."
    "Country of thieves, country of lords."
  12. C0ba1tum
    C0ba1tum 26 March 2018 15: 40
    +8
    It was kind of very active, as if trampolines were pouring gasoline in the corner. By the way, the pool with the foam cubes is closer to the camera, it is clear that the fire did not start in it.
    1. gm9019
      gm9019 26 March 2018 18: 02
      +2
      Quote: C0ba1tum
      It was kind of very active, as if trampolines were pouring gasoline in the corner.

      This is organics, polymers, plastic (as possible, and finish - varnishes, paints, panels), possibly based on nitro compounds. And they, as you know, burn like gunpowder ... instantly ....... Natural materials are expensive now, not in those days.
      Condolences to all those who have suffered, who have lost their loved ones, to all who have been touched in some way by this horror - to everyone ...
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    1. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 26 March 2018 16: 22
      +1
      don't judge by yourself
    2. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 26 March 2018 16: 30
      0
      One more ..... turn on your head when writing, well, at least a little
    3. Mestny
      Mestny 26 March 2018 16: 50
      -2
      Can't you even bark here?
  14. fridge
    fridge 26 March 2018 15: 47
    +1
    Countrymen! I'm just in shock! How could this happen where all the inspectors before that were what they were doing, complete irresponsibility. I hope the Investigative Committee will calculate all those who signed the building acceptance certificates, all who exploited and earned money. Everything changed in an instant and 64 No souls!
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  15. Altona
    Altona 26 March 2018 15: 49
    +8
    Quote: Finches
    The thirst for profit always kills humanity in man - such is life!

    -------------------------------
    This is capitalism. Under socialism, the cinema and the entrances to it were on the ground floor, and the doors opened outward. Guess why? And people will blame: an inspector who closed his eyes for a bribe and did not notice narrow passages; builders using flammable finishes; the official who accepted these outrages. But you never know?
    1. Seaman77
      Seaman77 26 March 2018 16: 20
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      people will be blamed: the inspector who closed his eyes for a bribe and did not notice narrow passages; builders

      These are not people.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 26 March 2018 17: 58
        +4
        Quote: Seaman77
        These are not people.

        yes they are people. Just for a moment they forgot what they should do.
        We were taught under the Union: treat a patient as if your parents were in his place.
        We have become different, others have grown children of children.
        What did we grow up with? "Timur and his team". What do our children and grandchildren grow with?
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 26 March 2018 16: 39
      +3
      Kostroma. The former Druzhba cinema, two halls, blue and red on the second floor, two exits from the halls by stairs.
      Former cinema "Volga", one room on the second floor.
  16. Altona
    Altona 26 March 2018 15: 50
    +2
    Quote: Livonetc
    "Enough nightmare business."
    Only business from this did not become law-abiding and did not bring taxes to the treasury anymore and began to treat staff irresponsibly.

    -------------------------------
    The mall acted as a "small business" with all the consequences.
  17. 23424636
    23424636 26 March 2018 15: 54
    +2
    Quote: Logall
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    Each shopping center in the country at the moment is a time bomb.

    It is necessary to oblige in such complexes (and not only) to install autonomous fire extinguishing systems. And conduct exercises with employees (at least classes) ...

    It is necessary to plant designers, users. and the protection of this institution together with the owners. To develop standard types of shopping centers where, in the first place, the rescue system was in the first place. Prohibit other developments as dangerous. .Perform independent non-local inspections of fire and evacuation systems. I think Kozak will correct the situation if he was instructed to lead the Donbass.
    1. lance
      lance 26 March 2018 16: 13
      +10
      you are too good opinions about the Cossack. knowing this problem, I can only say one thing: all inputs and outputs are emergency, etc., etc. open during maintenance. According to the morgue, there are significantly more deaths than the authorities say.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 26 March 2018 18: 01
        +3
        Quote: Lance
        According to reports from the morgues, there are significantly more deaths than

        unfortunately so. Flashed by. that only one cinema hall sold 250 tickets. There are 4 of them.
        1. albert
          albert 26 March 2018 19: 08
          0
          The networks write that there are about one hundred and fifty dead in the morgues. The truth is, I do not know if these messages can be trusted.
  18. K-50
    K-50 26 March 2018 15: 59
    +6
    One of the relatives of the victims, barely holding back emotions, told the local media that his three children were in the cinema on the top floor of the shopping center during the fire. The eldest daughter called her father, saying that they could not get out of the cinema hall in smoke. From the first floor of the shopping center, he rushed to the rescue, but the whole space was already clouded with acrid smoke. The man could not help the children.

    In Soviet-built cinemas, viewing rooms were ALWAYS on the ground floor. Maybe it’s true that I was “lucky” to only see such people, but the exits from them were at street level, a maximum of several steps.
    Again, the smoke rises to the top and the top location for viewing, at least, is perplexing. I have at least.
    1. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 26 March 2018 16: 27
      +3
      In Soviet-built cinemas, viewing rooms were ALWAYS on the ground floor. Maybe it’s true that I was “lucky” to only see such people, but the exits from them were at street level, a maximum of several steps.

      I completely agree with you. My wife worked as a security guard in the central heating center, and so, ALL children's activities can be held no higher than the first floor, but here is the FOURTH!
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 26 March 2018 16: 43
      +3
      Alexey, see my post a little higher. In my memory, there were no fires in these cinemas. Philharmonic yes, burned.
      1. K-50
        K-50 26 March 2018 17: 04
        +5
        Quote: sabakina
        In my memory, there were no fires in these cinemas.

        It is difficult to burn bleached or painted plaster. Then there were no "European-quality repairs".
        1. lance
          lance 27 March 2018 05: 16
          0
          during renovation, who prevents the exit path from being finished only with drywall that does not burn and is painted in different colors? when finishing metal structures, this is the best material for increasing the fire resistance class.
    3. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 26 March 2018 18: 38
      +4
      Quote: K-50
      Again, the smoke rises to the top and the top location for viewing, at least, is perplexing. I have at least.


      With a high degree of probability - for reasons of the so-called "marketing".
      A cinema visitor must go through the entire shopping center - you look and buy something ...

      Modern financial geniuses came up, not otherwise ...
      1. Cetron
        Cetron 26 March 2018 21: 14
        +3
        This is the worldwide practice of merchants, in Latvia we have all cinemas in the shopping center, and on the upper floors. A couple of years ago, the shopping center just collapsed, covering everyone who was there. The guard simply turned off the alarm, it allegedly worked for no apparent reason, and the evacuation of visitors causes losses. The courts still go, traders prove that they have nothing to do with it, the builder is to blame for the kid - they screwed the wrong nuts.
        No wonder traders in Russia buried behind a cemetery fence like dogs, if the Temple was not built with the stolen money or an almshouse.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 March 2018 22: 05
        +2
        Quote: ROSS_Ulair
        Modern financial geniuses came up, not otherwise ...

        It is so. On the fourth floor, few will go to buy a trinket.
  19. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 26 March 2018 16: 02
    +5
    This will happen until people, in our society, “philosophy” imposed on us 30-35 years ago, in which “Salvage decides everything”, is uprooted. This, along with negligence, kills us and our children, abruptly any weapon. Only without a real battlefield and a visible enemy.
    The development of the sun is certainly a good thing! But, it seems to me that it is simply necessary !!! urgently !!! treat society as a whole.
    How? Than? I hear little from the government and the opposition.
    We forgot "What is Good and What is Bad"!
    They will find and punish the guilty, they will pass checks all over the country .. Slowly everything will calm down .. BUT NOBODY and NEVER will return the dead (((
    And after some time, everything will happen again, alas (
    I really want to cry from impotence, honestly. For the father himself, like many of you.
  20. Andrey591
    Andrey591 26 March 2018 16: 03
    +2
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    The specified document does not allow the state fire control authorities to carry out scheduled and unscheduled inspections for 3 years. In this situation, the work of regulatory authorities is ineffective.

    "You can’t nightmare business" with checks, and therefore you can poison children, burn people ...
  21. trophy
    trophy 26 March 2018 16: 06
    +11
    Crazy printer, asshole earcaps! They wave everything that they are told without even delving into the essence of what is written. Which sheep could initiate a three-year supervised vacation for crowded places? At least some examination by the relevant authorities of this libel before signing was carried out? Do you need to nightmare a business? So business poshmashil us so that really hair stand on end on his head. Land in peace to all innocently killed in Kemerovo.
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    1. Mestny
      Mestny 26 March 2018 16: 53
      -2
      You don’t seem to smile at all.
      I am sure that no one will know anything about you?
  23. brdm
    brdm 26 March 2018 16: 11
    +9
    Incredibly sorry for those locked up - death by fear, smoke and fire of helpless children .... no words. (They are like small kittens) .One tears. And for their lives, and their fear is beyond their years !!! . All guilty must answer to one !!! Their loved ones strength and courage. Novosibirsk Grieves with you.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 26 March 2018 18: 03
      +3
      Quote: brdm
      Incredibly sorry for those locked up - death by fear, smoke and fire of helpless children .... no words

      I read only one call from the girl to her parents - I can’t take it anymore. You can go crazy. How to live with it?
  24. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
    Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 26 March 2018 16: 15
    +11
    We have what we have. But we have capitalism. The beneficiary of this shopping center lives in Australia, he will not return anywhere, no one will imprison him. We have hundreds of such shopping centers in our country. And all of their beneficiaries live in Australia. They said it wasn’t nightmare for small business - they took it under the hood. This object refers to small business with all its "anti-nightmare" benefits. Why in this shopping center it was accepted as the norm to close the cinema outside from the penetration of evil rabbits, we will only guess. This is probably because during their working hours at the entrance, the ticketers “have nothing to do” and were loaded with additional work - I have no other explanation - the capitalist considers the money.
  25. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 26 March 2018 16: 20
    +3
    And someone not so long ago vigorously recommended: "Do not nightmare a business."
    And he advised to go into business for money.
    It remains only to sympathize with the family and friends, without much faith, that this will not happen again anywhere.
  26. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 26 March 2018 16: 27
    0
    Someone once gave a paw to someone, he closed his eyes and signed the necessary papers, then they came, looked, someone gave again, someone took, maybe they’ll carry it ... and then let’s do it, but it’s impossible, " Lame horse "? What are you, we will not have this .... the result is a terrible tragedy .... inhuman pain in the loss of children .... the kingdom of heaven to all the dead, rest in peace!
  27. AleksPol
    AleksPol 26 March 2018 16: 28
    +1
    I read in RIA that in the complex they often complained to inadequate teenagers at the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Like they came, they made protocols, they had conversations. It may be inadequate revenge, these are purely my assumptions, the media will write a lot of things now. But the video shows how some kid runs to the side where the smoke came from, then abruptly runs back. And then the smoke fell. Probably my paranoia was played out from this tragedy
    1. Kosmotoga
      Kosmotoga 26 March 2018 17: 14
      +2
      did not want to write about it but your koment saw ....
      in the trash censor.net doesn’t write one type that there the boys set fire to plastic balls in the children's pool. Such people know there are soft pools for children only there are not water but a lot of balls so it flashed. And the guard broke down to extinguish and the other guard ran to look for these boys it went off. This, of course, is most likely not true, and I don’t know where they got this information from, but they said from the sources.
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      2. AleksPol
        AleksPol 26 March 2018 17: 41
        0
        I read it at RIA as one of the versions, though without such details as it is written in the trash. Yes, I’ll hope that the investigation will show. And you won’t get the kids back. that’s because the life of Paskuda, it beats the dearest.
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 26 March 2018 18: 06
        +1
        Quote: Kosmotoga
        I do not know where they got this info

        Today I read somewhere that one of the guards saw how 2 boys were set on fire. Although, it can only be an evasion
  28. senima56
    senima56 26 March 2018 16: 28
    +3
    Kingdom of heaven to lost innocent souls! Until there is personal responsibility for such tragedies, we will regularly consider the dead! Where is the commission that authorized the operation of this center? Where is the fireman who signed the acceptance certificate? In each (!!!) store of this center there should be a "Fire Evacuation Plan" - otherwise the store will not be opened. Mr. Puchkov, would you like to resign because you and your subordinates are negligent in their duties! Nah. Do not give up - the power is too tempting!
  29. Sige
    Sige 26 March 2018 16: 30
    0
    The business was nightmare after a lame horse.
    Shamming a business does not lead to compliance with fire regulations.
  30. Ignorer_RUS
    Ignorer_RUS 26 March 2018 16: 34
    +2
    "details of the nightmare incident"
    This is a disaster and a spit in the face of all citizens of the Russian Federation ...
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 26 March 2018 16: 54
      -2
      There is no need to proceed with political saliva.
      This is a disaster, just a disaster. They happen.
      1. AleksPol
        AleksPol 26 March 2018 17: 42
        +2
        This is not just a disaster, it is a tragedy
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 26 March 2018 18: 08
        +1
        Quote: Mestny
        This is a disaster, just a disaster. They happen.

        for some reason often. Only in Moscow for the 17th year it turns out that 3 shopping centers were already burning. I found out today
      3. Ignorer_RUS
        Ignorer_RUS 27 March 2018 20: 30
        0
        - There are 200 permanent busoters on the square, and there are no relatives of the victims there.
        This is how Putin described the governor of the Kemerovo region, Aman Tuleyev, a spontaneous rally of many people that took place at those minutes near the administration building.
        Tuleyev knew how many people were there.
  31. Alex_on
    Alex_on 26 March 2018 16: 41
    +1
    Quote: ROSS_Ulair

    3
    ROSS_Ulair (Michael) Today, 20:24 ↑ New
    That's what ... material needs to be built to make the floor blaze in seconds ?!

    polystyrene, etc.
  32. Nimitz
    Nimitz 26 March 2018 17: 01
    +7
    In the area that is in charge of fire-fighting measures, employment is closed. If someone enters there, only through money (I suppose not small). Study, medical board - all for your money. And this is a policy of a government department in general. And who ultimately ends up in inspector positions? That's right - a man without a conscience who goes to a profitable place in advance. In my work, I meet this bestial caste, they are afraid of only one thing, that they will be beaten up without trial and investigation, and they don’t give a damn about the rest.
    And ordinary citizens pay for this mess with the lives of their children.
    Condolences to all who have lost their part, their heart - their child.
  33. XXXIII
    XXXIII 26 March 2018 17: 05
    +3
    No guys, I am more inclined that this is a terrorist attack, everything worked according to the chain, there are no such accidents. There could be a gas balloon for balloons, its malfunction would have caused a strong explosion, but there was no explosion. At the time of ignition, it is clear that ignition occurs very quickly, the container with the mixture was already in the room. It is more likely that the substance seemed to have spread throughout the room and ignited quickly, covering large areas, thereby closing the evacuation exits. Also, people’s bewilderment on the video indicates that there was no explosion, but the source of fire is visible, only this is a fire, not a local fire. And the main thing is that all systems were silent at once, the electricity could turn off when there were emergency sources. This does not fit with the complete negligence of all those responsible, she could be present, but the systems could not be so cut down all instantly in an instant. It’s just that the defeat itself will not cut down electricity in the whole shopping center, it’s man-made attack. An example is Japanese nuclear power plants, where the system went out of order in turn, everything turned off right away, the ventilation also had emergency switching on, but it looks like a group of people acted that turned off all emergency systems. It all happened where they did not expect it, it was not the premises and the warehouse, but where they least expected it ......
    ps. Purely my reasoning, I do not impose my point of view ....
    I am sorry for the people who suffered in this disaster ......... a minute of silence !!!!! ...... be it wrong ..... sad
    1. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
      Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 26 March 2018 17: 32
      +1
      Terrorist attacks, as a rule, serve a great purpose. Therefore, someone takes responsibility for the attacks. And if something flared up somewhere, how would anyone know what the terrorist wanted if he didn’t show up?
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 26 March 2018 18: 02
        +1
        Quote: Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
        Terrorist attacks, as a rule, serve a great purpose. Therefore, someone takes responsibility for the attacks. And if something flared up somewhere, how would anyone know what the terrorist wanted if he didn’t show up?

        They weren’t terrorists, everything is clear with them, it’s like specialists who know their job well, who can pass offense as an accident ..... The fire did not occur in other rooms where, according to logic, it could catch fire, but where it least expected. The video shows how a guy with a black bag went up to the table (ticket office) and took something, maybe a ticket or a subscription and walked around a large square object (there is such a big bathtub with toys in children's rooms), the guy is not an object of suspicion. Then you can see that (the video is cropped) next to the checkout there is a green object that resembles storage compartments, there was the epicenter of the first flames. From here I conclude that the container was there, it sprayed gas until a certain point. And perhaps the container was thrown into this tank with toys, there is simply an ideal place for a fire.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 26 March 2018 17: 58
      +4
      Quote: XXXIII
      And the main thing is that all systems were silent at once, the electricity could turn off when there were emergency sources. This does not fit with the complete negligence of all those responsible, she could be present, but the systems could not be so cut down all instantly in an instant. It’s just that the defeat itself will not cut down electricity in the whole shopping center, this is a man-made terrorist attack.

      You and the firemen were also cut down overnight with the communications of the shopping center. Do not stand pagoda on elementary sloppiness and irresponsibility
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 26 March 2018 19: 01
        +1
        Quote: Tersky
        You and the firemen were also cut down overnight with the communications of the shopping center. Do not stand pagoda on elementary sloppiness and irresponsibility
        Why repeat the same thing, it looks as if you are convincing me of this. It’s just that officially, some things can’t be immediately told or go under the stamp ...
        Below, a man presented an interesting idea ...
        Quote: Tersky
        Given that the lighting on the floor was cut off before the fire started. The performer was ideally hidden visually and the time of the fire, the fire systems did not work.
  34. Kosmotoga
    Kosmotoga 26 March 2018 17: 10
    +12
    where are the fire extinguishing systems, where is the fire alarm, where are not combustible materials ....

    you may not even answer this is a rhetorical theme in our country for a long time.
    And in he is our new high-tech fire truck fleet.


    he’s just a mess, he’s not only in Kemerovo. He’s all around. He just needs to be noticed. In order to start working in the country, we had to live to see the sanctions ... then the planes without protection from ground MANPADS flew and only now they will be equipped with protection. wait until our pilot dies. After she was killed in Turkey .... but simply because only the receiving side was involved in the security .... now this is a tragedy .... Every day I open the news, I cautiously wait for the main one to be news marked urgently or lightning. Really every day. Because there is a mess in this country. Can you give any excuses but don’t admit that there is a mess in the country .... I don’t know who to be. Many lessons were learned after a lame horse ???? and here is the answer. ZERO !! complete zero!!.
    I go out into the street and constantly turn my head in horror so that the sphetophor does not fall on the Bosko or the stucco on the sidewalk from under the bottom of the balcony doesn’t ebb (people just broke off with it and fell to other people) or the icicle did not enter the crown from the roof in winter So that you won’t be killed when you cross the green light. I’m teaching my little daughter that our country is a war. For a war for life online, you blinked or hesitated or hesitated to kill you. You live peacefully and bbbbubuum neighbors under you undermine the apartment with a gas leak .... think.
    March is a month in the yard, and we already have tragedies with the death of PMCs, two planes fell, explosions of domestic gas, and yet this.
    What can be done in this situation? How to trust a business now? how to trust pozh.nadzoru.NIKAK.
    Introduce tough standards. And the death penalty. No shtrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ... ... all places of mass crowding of people should be made of absolutely non-combustible material .... not plastic-plastic .... not cardboard and polystyrene.
    The bombing is not childish. It’s a pity for children. I watched videos from social networks. I could not stand it. Listen to these screams. The country mourns. No president can protect you from trouble if we do not do it or at least help him.
    1. faiver
      faiver 26 March 2018 17: 33
      0
      And in he is our new high-tech fire truck fleet
      - i.e. would it be easier for you if there was a new fire truck for 40-50 million rubles instead of the old zil-130? .
      1. Kosmotoga
        Kosmotoga 26 March 2018 17: 41
        +6
        no, just if you read it carefully, I am writing about a mess in everything.
        And we all live in the past. And this Zil is like a monument to the Middle Ages.
  35. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 26 March 2018 17: 17
    +5
    A terrible tragedy occurred. And it’s worse than the “lame horse,” because the children died. This tragedy is not to shut up 1 million. This pain will remain with their parents forever. And the worst is that no one will do anything so that the tragedy does not happen again. For downside, the interests of capital will suffer: it is so profitable to collect many millions, sending hundreds of children to rooms where there is no possibility of evacuation, and the finishing materials are such that it is impossible to survive in a fire. Broadcast conference calls are nothing more than an on-duty event, there was essentially no one to save in 5 minutes after the fire, the only question is how to discreetly remove dozens of charred corpses .. children.
    To return fire-prevention norms and rules, to regulate finishing materials and to prohibit the use of buildings for entertainment of children that do not provide the opportunity to evacuate visitors before poisoning with toxic gases. Any commissioned building must have a passport, for what purposes it can be used, how many people can be there. In the USSR, there were such norms, the country needed people, and now, it seems, no, now the main thing is money, profit. And probably even awards will be for the successful holding of the event. And no one would think that the children, in general, were not saved, they were not even given a chance to escape.
  36. MaximSylvestr
    MaximSylvestr 26 March 2018 17: 27
    +15
    Specially registered now. I work as a leading engineer (development of ventilation, including smoke removal). So, here is often the customer (it doesn’t matter a plant (defense) or for example a shopping and entertainment center) really wants to get away from the development of smoke removal in the project, because difficult, expensive, etc., etc. And leaves from smoke removal by all truths and not truths. Because of the savings of such people, terrible tragedies happen.
  37. Kosmotoga
    Kosmotoga 26 March 2018 17: 32
    +2
    I do not throw but the version on the ECHO

  38. Kosmotoga
    Kosmotoga 26 March 2018 17: 49
    +2
    Pupils of grade 5 “A” from a school in the small village of Treschevsky in the Kemerovo Region on that ill-fated day ended up in the “Winter Cherry” shopping center. Parents and teachers made a gift to the kids in connection with the beginning of spring break - a trip to Kemerovo, writes “KP”. There they went to see a cartoon in a cinema at the Center. Eight students from the class: Victoria Pochankina, Veronika Ponushkova, Elena Chernikova, Tatyana Kurchevskaya, Sergey Maneshkin, Victoria Zipunova, Anastasia Smirnova and Diana Nizovskaya. The list of victims, published by Pravmir, does not contain only three children. The children began to call their relatives at five in the evening. All in one voice shouted that they were suffocating and could not leave the cinema. As it turned out later, the path to the main one from the cinema was blocked by fire. Children through tears said goodbye to their parents ... It is known that out of the whole class, only two students could not go on an excursion to the city. By pure chance, the class teacher was saved. The woman brought the kids into the hall, and she decided to walk around the shopping center while they watch the cartoon.
  39. Strips
    Strips 26 March 2018 17: 56
    0
    Terrible tragedy.
  40. kefan
    kefan 26 March 2018 18: 00
    +2
    A terrible tragedy, there are no normal words, only unprintable ones. For some reason, I immediately recall the phrase: “Stop nightmarishing small and medium-sized businesses.”
  41. Sibiryak13
    Sibiryak13 26 March 2018 18: 01
    +2
    At the beginning of the video, four minutes are cut out. Something was there, but they won’t show it. The attack?
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 26 March 2018 19: 52
      +1
      Three with a little. It’s strange. I don’t suspect anything. Just weird.
  42. Tomich3
    Tomich3 26 March 2018 18: 09
    +6
    In Tomsk there is also such a shopping center "Emerald City" and also, by a "happy" accident, belongs to the local oligarch, also on the third floor: cinemas, children's entertainment areas, etc. Parking is always crowded around the mall, that is, firefighters will not drive up. Friends from Kemerovo write that all the morgues have already been beaten to the eyeballs, there is only one lie on federal channels, about 400 people have died - about 300 children! Kemerovo! Tomsk region mourns with you! bureaucratic and businessmen! How can! Children, forgive us ...
    1. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 26 March 2018 18: 29
      +3
      Quote: Tomic3
      In Tomsk there is also such a shopping center "Emerald City" and also, by a "happy" accident, belongs to the local oligarch, also on the third floor: cinemas, children's entertainment areas, etc. Parking is always crowded around the mall, that is, firefighters will not drive up.

      In Yaroslavl, the same thing - the RIO shopping center, on the extreme (3m) floor a cinema and game rooms. But there is a shopping center AURA, which was stuck in the very center (in the UNESCO zone), the size of a quarter, and is completely covered by buildings around - God forbid, put out only from helicopters ... And there are 4 floors and a minus floor of the parking lot. In St. Petersburg, the same thing - near the Moscow railway station, in Moscow ... Across the country, so - and everywhere movies and games on the outer floors. Apparently, so that people walked past stores, marketing, to push him into a swing ...

      Quote: Tomic3
      Friends from Kemerovo write that all the morgues have already been beaten to the eyeballs, there is only one lie on federal channels, about 400 people have died - about 300 children! Kemerovo!

      Well, just do not need news from the OBS agency (One grandmother said) ...
      I trust only official information, everything else is from the evil one and for kindling, IMHO

      Quote: Tomic3
      Tomsk region mourns with you!

      And Yaroslavl.
      And the whole country!

      Quote: Tomic3
      Children, forgive us ...

      Insanely sorry for the children ...
  43. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 26 March 2018 18: 11
    +1
    Quote: Alex_on
    Quote: ROSS_Ulair

    3
    ROSS_Ulair (Michael) Today, 20:24 ↑ New
    That's what ... material needs to be built to make the floor blaze in seconds ?!

    polystyrene, etc.


    Or banal arson. Considering that the lighting on the floor was cut off before the fire started. The performer and the time of the fire were visually hidden, the fire systems didn’t work. Many security guards ran out of the building one of the first, instead of doing their duties.
  44. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 26 March 2018 18: 18
    +2
    Quote: Mestny
    There is no need to proceed with political saliva.
    This is a disaster, just a disaster. They happen.


    Such centers often burn around the world, always with dozens of dead and injured. Any building with a height of more than one floor is a danger to visitors.
    Quote: Logall
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    Each shopping center in the country at the moment is a time bomb.

    It is necessary to oblige in such complexes (and not only) to install autonomous fire extinguishing systems. And conduct exercises with employees (at least classes) ...


    There was a fire extinguishing system, but it didn’t work. There might be a technical malfunction and the matter was a banal sloppiness of certain services, and it is possible that it was specially turned off, for example, someone from the guard, and this is already a terrorist attack.
    1. region58
      region58 26 March 2018 21: 31
      0
      Quote: Xscorpion
      There was a fire extinguishing system, but it didn’t work ... ... it is possible that it was specially turned off, for example, someone from the guard


      Flashed in the news:
      One of the guards of the Kemerovo shopping center “Winter Cherry” turned off the fire warning system after receiving a fire signal, the issue of its detention is being decided, the official representative of the IC Svetlana Petrenko said in the agency’s Telegram channel.
      RIA Novosti16: 24
  45. fa2998
    fa2998 26 March 2018 18: 22
    +8
    Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich
    position, the work of regulatory bodies is ineffective.

    Our state can only help psychologists. All state bodies are engaged in bribery, including the Ministry of Emergencies. All of them have little salaries, they can’t get drunk! Now they will find the switchman, ordinary inspector, and before the next tragedy! angry
    The kingdom of heaven is to all the lost. hi
  46. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 26 March 2018 18: 35
    +3
    Some kind of suspicious gluing on the video at the time of fire. Or I'm wrong?
  47. gm9019
    gm9019 26 March 2018 18: 53
    +1
    The worst thing is that there are a great many of such shopping and entertainment centers! And the cinema halls in them are just above and are located.
    And now let’s imagine that the commissions-decommissioning came and recognized everything as unfit, dangerous, in need of redevelopment-restructuring. Yeah. And what, close at least one mall? Yes, never and never! They make noise, make the “165th Chinese last warning” and everything will remain the same as it was. Until the next tragedy ...
    It's terrible how cheap human life is now valued.
    1. Tomich3
      Tomich3 26 March 2018 19: 26
      +2
      a million rubles worth of human life, as follows from the news ...
  48. tanit
    tanit 26 March 2018 19: 17
    +1
    Many years ago, four years. I brought my daughter to the cinema. The city of Penza, a shopping center Suvorovsky. The daughter and I were already quite adults. And so. at the height of the session, a fire alarm went off. I then remembered the "throwing" of girls - managers. They darted to the doors of the emergency exit, with thin shoulders, they started to run - the doors were not locked. They didn’t save themselves, no. When the doors "knocked out" they again rushed up, to soothe. One of them ran down. Someone to meet with a working alarm. Four minutes later, the session continued. I was in a slight consternation. Daughter - do not see cinemas on the upper floors.
    I. Grandson, I will not lead there.
  49. APASUS
    APASUS 26 March 2018 19: 22
    +5
    Condolences to the families of the victims.
    I would certainly ask, first of all, from firefighters that they issue permits for the operation of buildings, certificates for building materials, those who accepted this building. Although of course the roots must be sought in the system:
  50. Operator
    Operator 26 March 2018 19: 51
    +3
    In all shopping centers, immediately close all cinema halls located above the first floor - let the owners of the premises rebuild them for trading floors. To tear off all combustible materials from the walls, ceilings and floors in the shopping center.

    Who will protest - close the entire shopping center before the completion of these events. The shopping center is like an uncut dog.