Ilyushin is developing a new anti-submarine aircraft

Aviation the Ilyushin complex is working on projects for a new anti-submarine aircraft, which in the future will replace the IL-38, known as the “submarine killer,” the company’s press service said.

At present, the possibility of creating an anti-submarine aircraft on the platform of existing IL-type aircraft is being explored. The theme of developing a completely new type of aircraft is also being explored.

- Said the press officer.

At the same time, the press service noted that it is too early to talk about the timing of the project, since there is no direct indication of the development from the Russian Ministry of Defense. However, if necessary, the companies are ready to develop and supply the necessary number of vehicles to increase the country's defense capability.

At the beginning of 2018, the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) reported that work on the creation of a new generation anti-submarine aircraft for the Russian Navy is close to completion, Interfax reports

Comments

[For example]

The main thing in an anti-submarine aircraft is the filling. Here Ilyushin is out of business
The new glider is not able to search for boats.
Note gypsy smacks of - give money.

[novel66]

the aircraft must provide a long and comfortable patrol for the crew, power equipment, the use of weapons. others will make the filling

[Solomon Kane]

No, that's right! It is necessary to put the 112th or 214th “on the wing”, and not “use” a glider with a 50-year history.

[For example]

Quote: Solomon Kane

the aircraft should provide long and comfortable patrol for the crew

Who is against it? And for this you need to create a new plane? Isn’t it easier to put a new chair for the operator? There is such a thing as efficiency.
The Mercedes S class is comfortable to ride. He is full of nishtyak stuffed. That's just the concrete to carry it sucks, from the word at all. And it’s impossible to detect the plane from the gelding ...
But Kamaz copes in one case and in the second. The main thing is that the Kamaz chassis is installed.

The IL understands that the state defense order is a stable financing. So they want to beg for an article from this order. No need to run ahead of the engine.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Solomon Kane

No, that's right! It is necessary to put the 112th or 214th “on the wing”, and not “use” a glider with a 50-year history.

Well, probably not IL-112, but IL-114. According to the KVS Il-38, it would have changed the entire filling, but the motor-rotor group could fly for another 50 years.

[Solomon Kane]

114th clean “passenger” and “wing” since 2001
On the 114th, screw AV-34, on the 112th vane-reversing AV-112, although there and there SU - TV7-117ST.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Solomon Kane

114th clean “passenger” and “wing” since 2001
On the 114th, screw AV-34, on the 112th vane-reversing AV-112, although there and there SU - TV7-117ST.

IL-18 is also a clean passenger, and from it IL-20, IL-22, IL-38 turned out. Judging by the overall data, 112 will be like the 26th purely transport

[Galleon]

However, the plane needs to be made under the filling, and not the filling under the plane. Is anyone filling stuffing, I wonder?

[Kurare]

Quote: Galleon

However, the plane needs to be made under the filling, and not the filling under the plane.

Until now, it was just the opposite. We took a suitable and existing platform (Be-12, Il-18/20, Tu-95/142), and then tried to shove everything that is possible with small alterations of the platform into it. To create a new aircraft to build a couple of dozen sides is completely unacceptable.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Galleon

However, the plane needs to be made under the filling, and not the filling under the plane. Is anyone filling stuffing, I wonder?

However, they make a plane, and then stuffing into it.

Until now, it was just the opposite. We took a suitable and existing platform (Be-12, Il-18/20, Tu-95/142)

Be-12 was originally designed as anti-submarine.

[NordOst16]

Americans from commercials are remaking anti-submarines now and are not complaining

[Flyer_64]

Quote: NordOst16

Americans from commercials are remaking anti-submarines now and are not complaining

So let's make an anti-submarine from a super-jet. How many commercial aircraft do we have in our series?

[NordOst16]

And the superjet in the series?))) Something is not heard about it, but if the equipment breaks in, then why not

[aszzz888]

The Ilyushin Aviation Complex is working on projects for a new anti-submarine aircraft, which will replace IL-38 in the future.

Will we wait?

[sub307]

And much more .... including VNEU for non-nuclear PLPL.

[rruvim]

All lead and lead. Only the Navy does not do anything. So, they delivered a few to India. Rogozin set up a small "enterprise" for himself. By and large, hundreds are needed.

[cats]

Quote: rruvim

So, a few in India delivered

Maybe in order not to borrow from you ... For the right hundreds ...

Quote: rruvim

By and large, hundreds are needed.

Che there .. thousands ..

[rruvim]

Amers have anti-submarine aircraft for hundreds!

[cats]

Quote: rruvim

Amers have anti-submarine aircraft for hundreds!

And what? ..
About aircraft carriers to remember and cry?
Maybe they are like the Chinese, take in quantity ..

[Piramidon]

Quote: rruvim

All lead and lead. Only the Navy does not do anything.

Well, if you don’t order and don’t finance, then it is not developed and doesn’t act. Nobody will work on a “voluntary basis”.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: rruvim

All lead and lead. Only the Navy does not do anything.

It’s not true, there is no truancy, and immediately you will find a couple for the Navy MA. Updated Ilya arrived at the Pacific Fleet, in the center of Yeysk MA, not north, though not more than a dozen so far. But this is the plant’s capacity and the customer’s contract, where it is stated how much should be modernized in what terms and for what money.

[newcomer]

I wonder, on the basis of which aircraft are Il planning to do and who is developing the entire filling?

[Tahtvjd2868]

In many vital areas, we have only developments. And in the metal - 0. It seems that there is simply a development of funds.

[rotmistr60]

And in metal - 0. That feeling ...

Your feeling fails you. It would be 0, there would be no rearmament of the RF Armed Forces. But it is coming.

[rruvim]

I have the same feeling ...

[DenZ]

Have you read the article? It says "work is currently underway on an initiative basis." That is, without an order and without financing. So you can complain that people are not paid. At one time, the SU-27 was also done on an “initiative basis” and nothing has been regretted so far.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: DenZ

It says "work is currently underway on an initiative basis." That is, without an order and without financing. So you can complain that people are not paid. At one time, the SU-27 was also done on an “initiative basis” and nothing has been regretted so far.

Absolutely right. When financing the topic of anti-submarine aircraft, such as PAK IA, or PAK DA, in 2010 it would have been launched into the Tu-214 P (PL) series. But MA depends on the financing of the fleet as a whole and therefore stands at the end of the line. Yes, and purely naval aviation was not included in the rearmament program until 2020. Only after the second adjustment did the program include the modernization of the existing fleet of anti-submarine aircraft.

[LSA57]

Quote: Tahtvjd2868

It feels like it's just a disbursement of funds.

In general, the GDP said that the Russian Air Force receives 200 aircraft each year. this is not counting exports

[cats]

Quote: LSA57

In general, the GDP said that the Russian Air Force receives 200 aircraft each year. this is not counting exports

You don’t understand .. Well, if we say Grudinin said so ..
And so ... For any lies ..

[LSA57]

Quote: Kotovsky

You don’t understand .. Well, if we say Grudinin said so ..
And so ... For any lies ..

and Ksenia said nothing not in the subject shtol?

[Shadow shooter]

I wonder which device is more suitable for anti-submarine activities turboprop or turbojet?

[rruvim]

Are we familiar with aircraft engines? At what speed does the submarine swim under water?

[Shadow shooter]

I mean such parameters as the duration of the patrol, effective speed, etc.

[rruvim]

Therefore, the lower the speed, the more efficient. But we have few "snakes", just disastrously few!

[Bronevick]

Turboprop for the coastal zone, turbojet for the far zone. We do not have a wetted turbojet engine, so the choice is one TV7-117, and this is IL-114.

[Shadow shooter]

But the Tu-142 for the far zone is not suitable, you mean?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Shadow Shooter

But the Tu-142 for the far zone is not suitable, you mean?

Alas, setting up their release is unlikely.

[Bronevick]

Tu-142 is a Tu-95 strategic bomber, it was a necessary measure to destroy NATO ships and submarines in the Atlantic Ocean, since there was no other aircraft in the far zone. So first of all, it’s a bomber, not an anti-submarine.

[Genry]

Quote: Bronevick

So first of all, it’s a bomber, not an anti-submarine.

A bomber or anti-submarine is determined by equipment and weapons. A plane is only a platform (with the necessary characteristics).

[Bronevick]

Tell anti-submarine aircraft of other countries converted from a bomber

[Genry]

Quote: Bronevick

Tell anti-submarine aircraft of other countries converted from a bomber

Any passenger aircraft can become a bomber. Antisubmarine - similarly.
Tu-95 is Tu-114 (pass) and Tu-142
Lockheed P-3 Orion - Based on the Lockheed L-188 Electra
P-8 Poseidon is based on the Boeing 737-800 airliner

[Bronevick]

So I know that foreign anti-submarines are based on passenger aircraft. They say right there that the Tu-142 is a good car, of course it may be a good one, but in one round it burns the fuel as much as Aeroflot in one year.

[Genry]

Quote: Bronevick

they say that the Tu-142 is a good car, it can be a good one, of course, but it burns as much fuel in one circle as Aeroflot in one year.

Well, what they say must be processed with their own brains.
And in fact, turboprop engines have the highest efficiency of aircraft. Because it flies 12 thousand km at low altitudes.

[Flyer_64]

Quote: Bronevick

Turboprop for the coastal zone, turbojet for the far zone. We do not have a wetted turbojet engine, so the choice is one TV7-117, and this is IL-114.

Tovarisch, at the altitudes that anti-submarine aviation flies (small and small), a screw machine is more suitable, it eats less fuel, more search time. But if our scientists develop such anti-submarine search tools that are capable of dropping from medium heights, then jet engines will go.

[Bronevick]

Do you notice anything else besides IL-114? Russia is in no position to choose from which, we take what is, but in addition to the IL-114, there is no suitable aircraft and will not be in the near future. The hope that Putin will invent a nuclear engine for the aircraft.

[Galleon]

Yes, on the drum, apparently. The American four-engine turboprop R-3 flew for 18 hours, but usually turned off 1 engine in flight and flew longer (I saw it myself). R-8 they already have a turbojet, combat radius of 3700 km, cruising 815 km / h. I did not find time in flight.

[Flyer_64]

Our Il-38 and Tu-142, also with the union, practiced shutting down one SU in the search area. A field of buoys will be poured out and “hanging” over the flight. But then they categorically forbade it, it seemed to be connected with the disaster.

[NEXUS]

At present, the possibility of creating an anti-submarine aircraft on the platform of existing IL-type aircraft is being explored. The theme of developing a completely new type of aircraft is also being explored.

I don’t understand ... there is a wonderful BE-200 seaplane that fits perfectly under these functions. While a new aircraft is at war in KB IL, why not buy a couple of dozen converted BE-200s for this business?

[Bronevick]

The Taganrog plant is not able to build such a number of aircraft. In the current situation, 1 plane is handed over in 2-3 years.

[Genry]

Quote: NEXUS

... there is a beautiful BE-200 seaplane that fits perfectly under these functions.

Firstly, there are no engines ...
Secondly, it is still a flying boat with poor aerodynamics and all the consequences (not suitable for patrolling and on duty).

You need something very long-flying (time and range), economical (a lot of flight time per year), with sufficient carrying capacity.
IL-114, for patrolling the near zone, is not bad. But it is better to have a specialized aircraft, with pushing screws in the rear, which dramatically increases the flight range and improves the possibility of locators located on the sides of the fuselage and the front edge of the wings.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Genry

Secondly, it is still a flying boat with poor aerodynamics and all the consequences (not suitable for patrolling and on duty).

From what? For example, do you not consider refueling in the air? At the same time, what is the aerodynamics of a fighter aircraft on a PLO plane? At the same time, there is a modification of the BE-200P-with equipment for a long stay of the aircraft in the air and surveillance, with an increased crew of up to 9 people, including 2 pilots.
In general, as an option ...

[Flyer_64]

On the IL-38, the location of the engines does not interfere with the location of the search locator.