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Kemerovo fire claimed dozens of lives

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Data on the number of victims of the fire in the shopping center "Winter Cherry" in the city of Kemerovo continue to change. The operational headquarters reports at least 37 dead. Among them are children. Such information was provided by the media by the deputy head of the Kuzbass Emergency Ministry General Committee, Boris Dedyukhin. It was noted that problems had already arisen in identifying the victims of the tragedy. The number of victims exceeded 50.
More than 600 people were involved in extinguishing the fire. Open burning was eliminated only a few hours after the start of the fire. At the same time, open burning was noted on an impressive area - more than 1,6 thousand square meters. meters
The Governor of the Kemerovo Region, Aman Tuleyev, ordered to provide immediate assistance to the families of those killed and injured. He is quoted by the TK "Russia 24":
Each family, where there is a dead (allocate) a million rubles. If these are two, God forbid, then 2 means a million rubles. This decision, I report to you, is made.

Kemerovo fire claimed dozens of lives

According to the number of those killed in the Zimnyaya Chery shopping center, the fire in Kemerovo became one of the largest in the newest stories. One of the reasons for the large number of victims is traditionally, to put it mildly, intricate logistics of exiting from the upper floors of typical shopping complexes (there are maximum two elevators, and in order to go down the escalator, you often need to go around the whole floor). Moreover, as EMERCOM employees note, the fire exits from the building were closed.
In connection with the tragedy in the city of Kemerovo, in the Kuzbass and in other regions of the country announced the beginning of large-scale fire tests. What prevents to carry out such checks according to the regulations without bringing to emergency options? - a separate question.
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  1. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 26 March 2018 05: 44
    +40
    My deepest condolences to the citizens of Russia. Terrible tragedy. Eternal memory to the fallen.
    1. himRa
      himRa 26 March 2018 06: 16
      +7
      Thanks Aron!
      Unfortunately, not the last role in this tragedy was played by our climate.
      Leaders and firefighters are also required to keep warm!
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 26 March 2018 06: 20
        +5
        Raheem! hi Unfortunately, we will learn from our mistakes for a long time! sad And most often, there will be no real results, otherwise this tragedy would not have happened!
        1. himRa
          himRa 26 March 2018 06: 42
          +3
          Vitalich! Do not be a pessimist No.
          Quote: Herkulesich
          And more often than not, there will be no real results,

          Tragedy, horror! in what will happen but the lives of the dead ALREADY not be returned, it remains only to wish people courage
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 26 March 2018 09: 19
        +9
        Quote: himRa
        Thanks Aron!
        Unfortunately, not the last role in this tragedy was played by our climate.
        Leaders and firefighters are also required to keep warm!

        NONSENSE.
        When there was a fire in the shopping centers of Norway, Canada, Alaska with fifty victims, or is there no heat saved?
        The climate is not to blame, "devastation in the head."
        Fire exits should not have locks (this is cheap), but an electric drive with buttons on all video surveillance posts (shopping centers are stuffed with them) + fire shields, so that you can use an ax on a glass door, if with email. electric hitch.
        1. Dashout
          Dashout 26 March 2018 10: 09
          +9
          Repeat (soul boils ..):
          1. Why didn't firefighters check? Forget the term "no need to cashmeat business"! I have to! What does the protection of small business have to do with it? What mercantile entrepreneurs are hucksters! Remove these restrictions and check everyone until the next "entrepreneur" does not poison half the city!
          2. Prohibit the use of combustible finishing materials !!! What few victims? Few tragedies like the Lame Horse? Buildings in Chechnya? Prohibit the use of imported combustible finishing materials at the legislative level!
          3. Great sorrow ..... my most sincere condolences ... sorrow ....
      3. Galleon
        Galleon 26 March 2018 09: 39
        +13
        Raheem, it’s not a matter of warmth: through emergency exits, the boys make their way to the cinema with hares to watch a movie. I work as a fire safety engineer in a similar shopping center - and I also have to drive the movie theater the most: they will break the locks on the doors of the evacuation exits - "from the hares", then they will dump rubbish into the evacuation corridors. The main thing is profit.
        The leadership of the mall is extremely reluctant to part with the money for system repair, hoping for the best.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 26 March 2018 06: 18
      +5
      Earth rest in peace ... All this is scary .. The children died. We deeply mourn. I was reminded of all this by the fire in the Rossiya Hotel in Moscow ...
      1. LSA57
        LSA57 26 March 2018 07: 14
        +8
        Quote: 210ox
        All this reminded me of the fire at the Rossiya Hotel in Moscow ...

        in "Lame horse" in Perm in 2009 killed 156 people
        1. Anti-Corr.
          Anti-Corr. 26 March 2018 19: 47
          +2
          Quote: LSA57
          in "Lame horse" in Perm in 2009 killed 156 people

          On the network, Kemerovo residents say that about 300 dead ... unfortunately, we won’t be able to confirm or refute. A terrible tragedy ... people are immensely sorry ...
      2. 24rus
        24rus 26 March 2018 07: 27
        +8
        In almost any such center, if you turn off the electricity, total darkness will come, and in smoke and flea market it’s not really possible to look for a way out
        1. AnpeL
          AnpeL 26 March 2018 07: 56
          +2
          therefore emergency lighting should take place
        2. Galleon
          Galleon 26 March 2018 09: 43
          +3
          There should be 2 independent systems - main lighting and emergency lighting. The smoke exhaust system should have worked. The main thing is that the alert did not work, like so !!
  2. AntiFREEZ
    AntiFREEZ 26 March 2018 05: 46
    +7
    What prevents to carry out such checks according to the regulations without bringing to emergency options?

    Bait inspectors.
    1. Finches
      Finches 26 March 2018 06: 03
      +38
      A terrible tragedy ... I don’t even want to argue, but, right away, children come up with phrases about bait inspectors, etc., although in a different situation when inspections are taking place, there is a liberal howl that will terrify the business! It turns out that all the Emergencies Ministry inspectors are bribe-takers, although of course there are some, and gentlemen businessmen are white and fluffy, they feed on swans, investing the latter in safety, the quality of construction of their shopping centers, etc., groaning under the yoke of officials who are not clean at hand and personally Putin! This is a specific brain liberalism! It is the pursuit of a long ruble of entrepreneurs, the thirst for crazy money-grubbing, that is the reason for all the tragedies - “Bulgaria”, “White Horse”, “Winter Cherry” ...

      Unfortunately, there will be more victims ... The worst thing is the children! And, regrettably, few of these worthless businessmen draw conclusions from it ... A consumer and money-grubbing society - that is the platform of the Western liberal economic model! However, tragedies also occurred in a planned economy, but for other reasons - a disregard for the task entrusted ... So, the human essence is the basis, everything else is secondary!

      Sincere condolences! And courage.
      1. AntiFREEZ
        AntiFREEZ 26 March 2018 06: 12
        +18
        Quote: Finches
        from somewhere kids come up with phrases about bait inspectors

        I worked in the police and, from the inside, I saw, unfortunately, such schemes. request So it’s not from somewhere, but my life’s observations sad
        Quote: Finches
        It is the pursuit of a long ruble of entrepreneurs, the thirst for crazy money-grubbing, that is the reason for all the tragedies

        Definitely YES! And "bait" is just one of the types of current commercial relations that "make" life easier for commerce.
        1. 210ox
          210ox 26 March 2018 06: 20
          +3
          Let's not blame it unambiguously. The investigation will sort it out ..
          Quote: AntiFREEZ
          Quote: Finches
          from somewhere kids come up with phrases about bait inspectors

          I worked in the police and, from the inside, I saw, unfortunately, such schemes. request So it’s not from somewhere, but my life’s observations sad
          Quote: Finches
          It is the pursuit of a long ruble of entrepreneurs, the thirst for crazy money-grubbing, that is the reason for all the tragedies

          Definitely YES! And "bait" is just one of the types of current commercial relations that "make" life easier for commerce.
        2. Finches
          Finches 26 March 2018 06: 22
          +7
          Schemes - schemes! At a particular place, it all depends on a particular person! At least some political system is in the yard: a primitive communal system, feudalism, capitalism, communism ... Putin is at the helm there, Nicholas II or Navalny. The state - must control and severely punish, but there is one BUT ... - it also consists of people!

          I apologize if I offended you in my first post hi
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 26 March 2018 07: 15
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        "Bulgaria", "White Horse", "Winter Cherry" ...

        Eugene, sorry, "Lame Horse" hi
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 March 2018 07: 45
          +2
          Yes, of course! Thank you! hi
      3. verner1967
        verner1967 26 March 2018 07: 22
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        gentlemen, businessmen - white and fluffy, eating swan, investing the latter in safety, the quality of construction of their shopping centers, etc., groaning under the yoke of officials and Putin who are not clean at hand! This is a specific brain liberalism! It is the pursuit of a long ruble of entrepreneurs, the thirst for crazy money-grubbing that is the reason for all the tragedies

        how many letters, but it makes no sense. There were fire exits there and the building was allowed to operate, it’s another thing that these exits were closed, as in many other shopping centers, and this is exactly the case when
        Quote: Finches
        tragedies also occurred in a planned economy, but for other reasons - a disregard for the task entrusted ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 26 March 2018 07: 46
          +2
          You should not have hoped to meet Cicero in my face! Or did you feel sad for the businessmen?
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 26 March 2018 19: 36
            0
            Quote: Finches
            Or did you feel sad for the businessmen?

            Why woe-businessmen? Businessmen did their job well, the mall flourished (try to do it yourself too, see which of you is sad- ..) Professionals who agreed to serve this ill-fated mall brought to the tragedy.
            1. Finches
              Finches 26 March 2018 19: 40
              0
              The fact of the matter is that he passed from hand to hand as a loss-making enterprise - google ... hi
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 26 March 2018 19: 49
                0
                Quote: Finches
                he passed from hand to hand as a loss-making enterprise

                are we about an organization located in a building or about a building? These are different things. The building was built and owned by the same people, and Winter Cherry LLC was bought back the year before last, but this does not mean that everything went very badly there. It’s better to understand hi
                1. Finches
                  Finches 26 March 2018 20: 01
                  0
                  Well! I will take your order into account .... Let’s drop the squabble! We are all to blame, it is adults, and we will always be to blame if children die .... hi
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 27 March 2018 06: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Finches
                    adults are to blame, and we will always be to blame if children die ....

                    that is yes ...
    2. himRa
      himRa 26 March 2018 06: 11
      +6
      Quote: AntiFREEZ
      Bait Inspectors

      Tragedy! My condolences !!!
      It’s not so easy to explain, a colleague ....
      Do you know what a large mass of people are in panic?
      And if you conduct exercises, then you are the first who will be indignant! And not just drag him to court ...
  3. RaptorF22
    RaptorF22 26 March 2018 05: 46
    0
    It's horrible!!! Where the services responsible for fire safety looked
    1. martin-159
      martin-159 26 March 2018 05: 55
      +8
      Check the documentation, which is usually in perfect order.
    2. Awaz
      Awaz 26 March 2018 06: 15
      +7
      the fire safety of the premises is primarily the responsibility of the owners of these premises themselves. State supervisory authorities, having accepted a building complying with the standards, cannot control the blocking of fire exits that hucksters themselves arrange
    3. ghby
      ghby 26 March 2018 19: 43
      0
      Quote: RaptorF22n
      It's horrible!!! Where the services responsible for fire safety looked

      In our regional court, the doors leading to the stairs, such sickly doors, do not open in the direction of the evacuation and no one writes any instructions and the Ministry of Emergencies does not arrange for an inspection.
  4. RaptorF22
    RaptorF22 26 March 2018 05: 48
    0
    Front line reports! ! ! it is necessary that the one who is guilty incurs criminal liability !!!
  5. Sergey Ui
    Sergey Ui 26 March 2018 05: 52
    +2
    About 70 more were missing
    1. himRa
      himRa 26 March 2018 07: 12
      +3
      Quote: Sergey ui
      About 70 more were missing

      Dear local?
      Where can I find information (lists of the dead, a help fund may have already been created, etc.)
      1. your1970
        your1970 26 March 2018 10: 49
        0
        in the morning in the news they said
  6. faiver
    faiver 26 March 2018 05: 54
    +1
    land rest in peace
    recovery to victims
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    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 26 March 2018 06: 19
      +7
      People died in peacetime. We are sorry that we passed away.
      Not only are the fire exits closed, but the doors in the open exits in our city are open instead of four. Or two. Open doors are often located so that the entrance and exit are one door in a large shopping center.
      Probably the fire exits are closed because the open ones must be watched --- what is there. The economy on the guards !!!!!!!
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 26 March 2018 09: 06
        +1
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Probably the fire exits are closed because the open ones must be watched --- what is there. The economy on the guards !!!!!!!

        this is understandable, it is simply not clear why the doors were not opened during an emergency. Already the keys to the fire exits, they could have left the security on the ground floor ... or their management was protected under the pillow, in case of a fire inspection ?!
    2. himRa
      himRa 26 March 2018 07: 16
      +2
      Quote: mamont5
      I have no words

      I am from Krasnoyarsk, Kemerovo is also not so far from me ...
      Words, yes no! But you can help the victims, I will be grateful for any information about the victims ....?
  8. shinobi
    shinobi 26 March 2018 06: 04
    +2
    They will punish, if at all, a small bipod. It is a pity for children. The future is lost. Sorrow.
    1. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 26 March 2018 06: 16
      +4
      they will punish those whose signatures were on the acceptance documents. And without any if
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 26 March 2018 11: 04
        +3
        Quote: Hammerlock
        will punish those whose signatures were on the documents of acceptance

        And where is the acceptance for operation? Even if there would be a check in a day, what prevents immediately after the door to be locked until the next check?
  9. faiver
    faiver 26 March 2018 06: 06
    +10
    What prevents to carry out such checks according to the regulations without bringing to emergency options?
    - the system interferes: on the one hand, a moratorium on inspections of small businesses was announced and small businesses scored on fire safety, and on the other hand, verification of fire supervision in the first third of cases was completely extorted, in the second third of cases complete incompetence and writing down the instructions “without copy” a detailed examination, but even a superficial one, and only the last third are really normal checks ..
    I say right away - I work in the field of fire safety myself - I am engaged in fire-retardant treatment, so I know what I'm writing about, sometimes you read the order written to the client and you don’t know whether to cry or laugh ...
    1. Ushly_bashkort
      Ushly_bashkort 26 March 2018 06: 28
      +12
      I can assure you that the problem is not only on the part of the supervisory authorities, and this applies not only to fire safety. These comrades who are ordering projects are ready to save on everything for the sake of reduction in price, the justification is simple - they will prescribe whether we will make or pay a fine, the arguments that this is the safety of people in the first place, and not the additional burden on their wallet, do not work. A fire is cut already at the stage of implementation of the object, although according to the drawings everything is in a bundle. It is not necessary to issue prescriptions and penalties, but to stop operation until eliminated, if it is impossible to eliminate, close and demolish the dog.
      1. faiver
        faiver 26 March 2018 06: 40
        +2
        I agree, it does, and here there are claims not only in small business, we and state and municipal officials are no better - in budgetary organizations the budget item “fire safety” is cut to zero - there is no money, but you hold on ...
  10. milling machine
    milling machine 26 March 2018 06: 06
    +11
    Condolences to relatives.
    And on federal channels, there was silence yesterday. All the news about the “Chetamuhokhlov” and how the “rotting west” is plotting against us.
    1. faiver
      faiver 26 March 2018 06: 09
      +3
      All the news about the “Chetamuhokhlov” and how the “rotting west” is plotting against us.
      - therefore, for years I have not watched the news on the box, only films
    2. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 26 March 2018 06: 17
      +8
      in Russia-1 voiced all day
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 26 March 2018 10: 47
      +3
      It is not true, Vesti-24 was periodically informed of this tragedy.
  11. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 March 2018 06: 12
    +2
    Sincerely condolences, there are simply no words !!!!!
  12. Ncplc
    Ncplc 26 March 2018 06: 15
    +4
    My condolences to the families of the victims, and the speedy recovery of the victims.
  13. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 26 March 2018 06: 15
    +8
    in Kuzbass and other regions of the country announced the beginning of large-scale fire inspections.
    Nonsense. All objects pass a fire test. And repeated checks are carried out for money, otherwise the inspector cannot survive.
    Not only that, as noted by the Ministry of Emergency Situations, fire exits from the building were closed.
    This is the reason for the large number of victims (otherwise consumers will start to roam where it is not necessary), well, gas pollution, there is continuous synthetics and plastic around.
    traditionally, to put it mildly, intricate logistics of exit from the upper floors of typical shopping malls (there are two elevators maximum, and to go down the escalator, you often need to go around the entire floor).

    FORBIDDEN to build a shopping center according to the philosophy of "maximum shaking of money from the consumer."
    TCs should be built for "consumer convenience" and have a standard input-output circuit. Useless fire exits if visitors have never used them and have no idea where they are. Schematics do not solve the problem. People come to rest, not to study the signs on the ceiling.
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 26 March 2018 11: 14
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      FORBIDDEN to build a shopping center according to the philosophy of "maximum shaking of money from the consumer."

      How to ban activities to increase profits in capitalism? Introduce heavy fines? Have corruption been defeated?
    2. ghby
      ghby 26 March 2018 14: 59
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Nonsense. All objects pass a fire test. And repeated checks are carried out for money, otherwise the inspector cannot survive.

      made a fire risk assessment and received indulgence from scheduled inspections. Well, testers very often greet, which in principle does not lead to compliance with safety standards, but only to stuffing pockets.
  14. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 26 March 2018 06: 28
    +2
    The totality of circumstances ... And so many victims, unfortunately. May God give strength to the families of those killed and injured by the fire to withstand such grief. My condolences.
  15. Just a man
    Just a man 26 March 2018 06: 47
    +2
    Serving the golden calf requires human sacrifice. This rule can be broken either by a fair socio-political system or by the rigid hand of power in an existing society. In the meantime, we will have such victims because of the greed of the owners of different structures.
  16. Victor_B
    Victor_B 26 March 2018 06: 51
    +1
    Kemerovo is my hometown ...
    He was born and raised there.
    Condolences ...
  17. bald
    bald 26 March 2018 06: 56
    +3
    I am sorry for the family and friends, and for all who are not indifferent. --- “What prevents them from conducting such checks according to the rules without bringing up emergency options?” --- Because everything goes according to the old version - a bribe, connections, and the developer seeks profit in everything.
  18. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 26 March 2018 06: 57
    +1
    We grieve together about those who died in this tragedy, deep condolences to the families and friends of the victims.
  19. Baloo
    Baloo 26 March 2018 06: 57
    +3
    41 children went missing, the journalists got something wrong. What news?
    Condolences to loved ones. I hope the conclusions are drawn. We are waiting for the results of the dash by the Procurator and the Ministry of Emergencies all am children's and non-children's shopping and entertainment centers, theaters, hospitals, clinics, kindergartens and schools.
    And stricter!
  20. Sergiys_Praim
    Sergiys_Praim 26 March 2018 07: 01
    +10
    Terrible tragedy! My condolences!!!
    Dozens of dead, I don’t even know how much this will be repeated ...
    The task of the buyer is to make a list of necessary purchases and buy what you need. The task of sellers is to confuse buyers and vparit what is necessary and unnecessary. This is now being achieved in this way. Huge premises are being built, buyers are driven into some kind of labyrinths, where they have to wander almost endless days along endless shelves with goods, where they lose the sense of time and space ... And no one even thinks, if there is a fire, how they will look for a way out, and whether they will find him when hundreds of people flee in panic seeking salvation ... !!!
    Such a walk, along the path traveled, is almost equivalent to a hiking trip. Only instead of backpacks, customers carry carts.
    What generally give, these large-scale fire tests.
    The documentation is fine. To the arrival of those checking all the evacuation routes and exits are open.
    The right people are fed.
    It turns out only we should go into such shopping malls to check the escape routes, especially leaving children.
    If escape routes and exits are blocked. What prevents us is that almost everyone has a smartphone in their hands. Photo and video recording of violations. And the fact that only on youtube.com they do not upload, but this is not.
    Apparently no one even thinks ...
    Yes, in this gas chamber, almost anyone can get ...
    1. I am
      I am 26 March 2018 11: 35
      +1
      THERE IS ALL GLASSES !!!! Any shop or chair knocked out the glass, that’s the street !!!!
      Weaned people to think about themselves. This has never happened in the USSR. there they would break the doors and break the glass and come out alive. And now, just about everything, like in Amer’s films, poorly run treading one another. Urgently return lessons OBZH and NVP !!!
  21. bubalik
    bubalik 26 March 2018 07: 08
    +4
    15 people, of whom 7 children were found at a closed evacuation exit near the cinema ... they suffocated. am I have no words,,,
    The shopping center in 2016 did not pass the planned audit, as, according to the representatives of the Ministry of Emergencies, he was on supervisory holidays as a "representative of small business".
    1. Korax71
      Korax71 26 March 2018 07: 42
      +4
      Kids feel sorry for the tears crying and I would like to know from representatives of the Ministry of Emergencies. am in Rosreestra at the address of “winter cherry” most of the space is attributed to Kemerovo Confectionery Company OJSC. it is for 2016, other data are not provided, 100% of the shares belong to the large KDV holding, and it is the largest producer of snacks and confectionery products (three crusts , Kirieshki and other crap). Either we are frankly lying, or they are trying to fence someone. am angry Well, either a large holding, we now have a small business belay
      1. your1970
        your1970 26 March 2018 10: 58
        +1
        Quote: Korax71
        either we are frankly lying, or someone is trying to fence off. Well, either a large holding, we now have a small business
        -
        1) the areas may be leased, but the building belongs to the individual entrepreneur; in this case, checks are expressly forbidden 294-FZ (as far as I understand from the news, the owner is a natural person / person)
        2) according to the Government’s decree, small businesses include legal entities and individuals with an income of up to 120 million a year and a staff of up to 15 people (which could well have happened with Kemerovo Confectionery Company OJSC)
        1. Korax71
          Korax71 26 March 2018 23: 17
          -1
          The owner posted a rental notice from the website of the same "cdv" belonging to the same site. It’s a muddy topic. Most likely some kind of muhlezh again am
  22. FLOOD
    FLOOD 26 March 2018 07: 09
    +4
    Sorry for people, especially children ...
    My condolences..
  23. Nix1986
    Nix1986 26 March 2018 07: 10
    +1
    The bait of those who check it, yes, but they themselves must take care of safety, although what I was talking about, not so long ago, the children were drowning in the camp, and the ship turned over, and things are there, in such a country we live with such people.
  24. K.A.S.
    K.A.S. 26 March 2018 07: 11
    +1
    Under such news it is necessary to close comments!
    1. RaptorF22
      RaptorF22 26 March 2018 07: 25
      +2
      Why do you think you need to close comments?
  25. Prometey
    Prometey 26 March 2018 07: 18
    +4
    All such shopping centers are built according to one scheme - covered boxes, from which you can find a way out in the smoke-line. They banned the "nightmare" of the "small" business - they sacrificed their lives to the income of the business. Just what the hell is "small"? This shop or tire fitting is a small business. Here is a place of crowds, dozens of tenants, millions of income from renting out places. Do the owners probably live in Cyprus? Fire alarms, automatic fire extinguishing systems, fire-smoke-proof automatic curtains, of course, have not heard about such in connection with a moratorium on business checks. It’s a pity for people, they died for nothing.
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 26 March 2018 15: 14
      0
      Unfortunately, the citizen IP Schnitz shone the minimum income in the declaration (the crisis!), She did not register the lease agreements with the justice authorities, concluding them for 11 months. I took money for rent in cash. And whiskers - small business, fuck up! To the wall of these must be put! Already something, and check the condition of the evacuation exits - two fingers on the asphalt. You can even check twice a day. But there is one “but” in connection with the decreased purchasing power of the population, small business is closed in packs. T.O. rental areas in the city are empty massively. Therefore, landlords turn a blind eye to the minor pranks of tenants in order to keep them in their premises. And pranks - they are always on the principle of "maybe carry". Not carried! Condolences to the relatives of the victims!
  26. Moskovit
    Moskovit 26 March 2018 07: 27
    +1
    I express my deepest condolences to all the victims, I wish a speedy recovery to all the victims. All relatives of the fortitude to endure such a tragedy ...
    You can discuss the relationship between entrepreneurs and fire inspectors for a long time. But
    "Every accident has a name, surname and position," said Lazar Kaganovich. You take a bribe, Inspector, your money smells like blood.
    In Soviet times, and without a golden calf, there were enough accidents, just people did not know about it.
    The question is whether there will again be campaigning, three shopping centers will be closed and the problem has been solved, or will serious work be done.
  27. KonoGon
    KonoGon 26 March 2018 07: 46
    +5
    Condolences to the near and dear ones. Terrible tragedy.
  28. Korsar4
    Korsar4 26 March 2018 07: 46
    +4
    Tragedy. The first day of vacation. Children.
  29. dzvero
    dzvero 26 March 2018 07: 50
    +3
    Tragedy! Children are especially sorry ... how so ... My condolences to the family and friends!
  30. Dr.Serg
    Dr.Serg 26 March 2018 08: 07
    +6
    Sincere condolences to the victims of this tragedy .... yesterday, when I found out about the fire, I was in a similar shopping center .... I began to simulate the situation on myself - the fourth floor of a typical shopping center box, several cinema halls, a large children's sports game room, a slot for children , a large cafe, food court, day off - a lot of people and especially children ... descent down- two small elevators (you can not use in case of fire), two narrow escalators ... the second descent down - at the opposite end of the floor- far away, around the sea of ​​plastic .... I looked for an evacuation scheme- I found one small plate in a dark corner and the only fire exit is naturally closed on a powerful metal door ... I doubt that every employee has the key to this door .... if it blazes somewhere at the exit from the cinema halls or in a children's game-tragedy, you can’t avoid ... It’s insanely sorry for the dead children ...
  31. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 26 March 2018 08: 48
    +3
    So the answer to the last question is simple: the terry flourishing of liberal capitalism in Russia. And families can give compensation.
    Condolences to all the families of the victims!
  32. K-50
    K-50 26 March 2018 08: 49
    +1
    It is necessary to revise construction technologies and allow the construction of public buildings only from low- and non-combustible materials. Let the construction be more expensive, but the price of human lives is still incommensurable.
    And also, according to the results of the investigation, to punish everyone who committed violations of fire safety. Surely they gave / took bribes, closing their eyes to this.
  33. Sergiys_Praim
    Sergiys_Praim 26 March 2018 08: 53
    +3
    One of the reasons for the large number of victims is traditionally, to put it mildly, intricate logistics of leaving typical shopping complexes from the upper floors (there are two elevators at most, and to go down the escalator you often need to go around the entire floor).

    In general, this is normal when you need to go a few kilometers to the exit ..., along some mazes. Given that the combustion products of plastic structures and the interior decoration of the shopping center, and the products of the chemical industry itself, that is, the same plastic, this is an extremely aggressive carbon monoxide. People without protective equipment will not even have 10 minutes ...
    It turns out that the desire to buy something in such a shopping center turns into an extremely risky business !!!


    And the appropriate equipment should be ...
    Something like a self-rescuer to protect the eyes, nose, larynx, lungs from the ingress of toxic gases that form when certain substances are heated.
    Or stop copying the West and this is a consumer society, where people’s attention is paid last but not least ...
    And to build a shopping center, taking into account the fact that you can quickly leave the room.
    And automatic fire extinguishing systems are installed - this is complete control and extinguishing of fires in buildings and structures, even without human intervention.
  34. Vladimir
    Vladimir 26 March 2018 09: 07
    +1
    Condolences to the relatives of the victims, this is terrible.
  35. New Year day
    New Year day 26 March 2018 10: 17
    +3
    it’s impossible to even read and look at this horror. Do not bring God to bury your children. They didn’t even have time to live.
    And what about the reasons? Sure, money. They did not provide for it, they did not do it there and saved, but they did not check it. Profit and greed destroy our lives and our children. Try to give birth
    and grow one, and there are dozens.
    Conclusions are not made, it seems like the White Horse was long gone, and everything is forgotten.
    I honestly have been afraid for a long time to go to such establishments with my granddaughter. After the New Year's Eve on Red Square, in my opinion, the right conclusions were made.
    Rush about everything - flying on planes, traveling by train.
    Whatever they say, but this fear was not in the USSR.
    Forgive us adult kids.
    1. prior
      prior 26 March 2018 10: 21
      0
      And so that there is no fear, the owner of this shopping center and the main Kemerovo fireman - burn at the stake!
      Maybe then in other places they will check fire safety and open the doors of fire exits.
  36. Ural resident
    Ural resident 26 March 2018 10: 22
    +3
    We also went into a shopping center, a store on the ground floor. Not only didn’t they find him right away, but then, as it turned out, you still won’t go out right away. No pointers. As it turned out, you need to climb the stairs, left along the corridor - go down again, then go around the floor in a circle, go up again and then there is an exit. One can only imagine how to do it in the dark and in smoke. It’s correctly said about logistics, every corner is sold, sometimes corridors are blocked for the sake of stalls and the exit from the shopping center becomes a maze.
  37. shuravi
    shuravi 26 March 2018 13: 27
    +3
    Now the company will go on the search for switchmen, the appointment of the guilty, but the main killer capital will stay and continue to kill.
    There is no escape from this:
    Provide capital with 10% profit, and capital agrees to any use, with 20% it becomes lively, with 50% it is positively ready to break its head, with 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime that it did not dare to go, at least under pain of the gallows.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 26 March 2018 22: 03
      0
      It is not capital that kills, but capitalists who have lost fear and conscience!
      P.S. Although, the capitalist with a conscience is a socialist.
      My condolences to all the victims and their relatives.
  38. NF68
    NF68 26 March 2018 14: 48
    0
    In connection with the tragedy in the city of Kemerovo, in the Kuzbass and in other regions of the country announced the beginning of large-scale fire tests. What prevents to carry out such checks according to the regulations without bringing to emergency options? - a separate question.


    Unfortunately, until something similar happens somewhere, numerous violations are not paid due attention to. And this applies not only to Russia or other states on the territory of the former USSR.
  39. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 27 March 2018 05: 02
    0
    Sad, painful and evil takes ... everything in a heap. They write that the teenagers set on fire and survived themselves. And if that's true, then how do they live with all this shit all their rest of their life ??? And the assorted “controlling and all-checking” fucking apparatus will now _fuck_ its tear on the British flag in terms of a righteous search for scapegoats and switchmen ... proving once again its unsuitability. The second tragedy in a row where children die ... it hurts.
  40. gorenina91
    gorenina91 27 March 2018 06: 13
    0
    - Now they write a lot about "fire exits" .., "fire extinguishing means" .., "alarms" ... - all other means, on the health of which a lot depends on in such a terrible situation ... -Yes, that’s all right. ..
    -But .., what tools will help when a gigantic room (this can be clearly seen from the materials of video cameras), a whole gigantic room literally instantly (in a few seconds) is filled with black smoke and plunges into pitch darkness ... -And this black smoke ... -This is the real poisonous substance ... -I inhaled several times and that's all ... -loss of consciousness and ... the end ...
    -Because there wasn’t even special fire there was ... solid smoke ... is deadly poison ...