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The South-Western (Galician) theater of military operations in the 1914 campaign on the Russian front of the First World War was the main one. In this theater, almost 2 / 3 of the Russian armed forces and 4 / 5 of the Austro-Hungarian armed forces were collected. The Russians concentrated 20 cavalry divisions on the Galician TVD, and together with the Cossack units of the second stage, more 85000 sabers. Austro-Hungarians concentrated 10 cavalry divisions, and together with the military cavalry - more than 40000 sabers. The actions of these masses of cavalry could determine the fate of the entire campaign. But did they pass the exam during large-scale, maneuverable military operations at the most crucial stage of the war?


After the declaration of war, cavalry of both sides turned along the border - from Lublin to r. The Dniester is generally evenly distributed throughout the theater, in the form of a curtain with a total length of more than 400 km, with the task of covering up the concentration and deployment of its armies. In addition, each of the deployed armies received: cavalry (Cossack) divisions from the Russian - 4 armies on 4-5, from the Austro-Hungarians - 4 army on 2 - 3 cavalry divisions. After the declaration of war 1, the Austro-Hungarian and 8 Russian divisions in the theater of operations were still absent (on the way to it or mobilized - in particular, second-priority Cossack divisions).

Acquaintance with the scheme number 1 shows that when forming their cavalry groups, the parties showed a lack of understanding of the nature and nature of this type of troops. This was the first examination of the Russian and Austro-Hungarian General Staffs on the course of the use of cavalry - in the theater of operations, which allowed the use of large masses of cavalry.


Scheme number 1. Grouping cavalry in Galicia in the initial period of the First World War.

The cordon of patrols, field guards and outposts set up and sent out by the cavalry, in essence and in form, looked like a kind of change of the border guards or the second line of the border cordon - intended to catch smugglers. This cordon could be broken anywhere.


Cossacks in Galicia.

Having set up a cordon, the cavalry organized reconnaissance, sending out separate patrols and reconnaissance squadrons according to the regulations, which were designed to reveal the enemy grouping. These patrols and squadrons, naturally, could not seriously delve into enemy territory, either because of quantitative weakness, or because the charters established a certain standard for removing the separation from the main forces. And since the main forces of the concentrated and deployed armies were in 4 - 6 transitions from the border, then, of course, patrols and reconnaissance squadrons could not reach them - especially since the enemy's outposts and sentries stood along the roads and key areas. Incidentally, Austro-Hungarians armed and loyal local residents - and the latter met with fire the Russian cavalrymen who arrived in the border villages for intelligence information from the local population.


Naval outpost of the Austrian cavalry.

29 July 1914 The Austro-Hungarian cavalry was given the task of producing operational intelligence — it was to identify the location and grouping of the Russian troops.

Performing the task, the Austrian cavalry crossed the Russian border and in the border zone came into contact with the cavalry curtain of the Russian cavalry - which by this time also received the task of producing deep reconnaissance.

The 14-th Cavalry Division operating on the extreme right flank of the South-Western Front, conducting reconnaissance to the west of Radom, established that there are no large enemy forces in close proximity to the border. In this area, the compound encountered the 7 of the Austrian Cavalry Division, but the collision was indecisive - both divisions were limited to observation. August 4 Austrian 7-I cavalry division with the support of infantry occupied the Kielce - also setting the absence in the area of ​​large enemy forces.

3 - 4 August The 5 Infantry Division of the Austrian 1 Corps began an offensive to establish the Russian grouping - having met with 13 Cavalry Division, Guards Caber Brigade, 18 Brigade of the Infantry Division and XNXXX Infantry Division and XNXXX Infantry Division and XNXXXNXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. The latter repelled the offensive and forced the Austrians to return home. 2-th cavalry division and Guards cavalry brigade did not show activity, limiting themselves to reflecting the offensive of the enemy.

The Austrian 5-th and 3-th Cavalry Divisions that acted next to the 9 Infantry Division also crossed the border, but after meeting the 3-th Don and 8-th Russian Cavalry Division, after minor skirmishes, they withdrew. In turn, the 3-I Don and 8-I cavalry divisions did not attack the Austrians, limiting themselves to observation. It is characteristic that the Austrian 3-I and 9-I Cavalry Divisions acted not only outside the connection with the 5-th Infantry Division, but also without interaction with each other. Similarly, the Russian cavalry divisions acted.

1 August The 1-I Don Cossack Division crosses the Austrian border, occupies the Belz and Naral area, where it meets reconnaissance units of the Austrian 6 Cavalry Division. And here both the Donets and the Austrians confined themselves to mutual observation.

The exception was the actions of the joint cavalry division (2-I and 3-I separate cavalry brigade). 7 August This division broke through the border at Rava-Russkaya, advanced to Kamenka, 8 August destroyed the bridge over the river. Bug, and dispersed small parts and rear Austrian 2 th and 11 th Cavalry Division. But, turning to the northeast of Kamenka, she came across the rangers 2 battalion of jägers and border units and, failing, moved away. As a result of these actions, it was established that large Austrian forces are absent northeast of Lviv.

August 3 Austrian 2-th cavalry division, reinforced by the rangers 2 battalions, made a raid on Vladimir-Volynsky, patting the 62-th infantry regiment and, satisfied with this success, returned to its territory. A day earlier, the Russian 7 Cavalry Division made a raid on Sokal from Vladimir-Volynsky - she had a skirmish with a company of Austrian infantry, seized several abandoned carts and returned back.

Russian 11-I cavalry division, aimed at Busk, could not break through the Austrian veil and did not get any information about the enemy. 9-I Cavalry Division worked similarly.

The Russian 10-th cavalry division in the Kremenets area during the battle in the Tarnopol region established the presence of the Austrian 11 corps.

On the Volochysky direction, the Russian 12 and Austrian 8 cavalry divisions mutually constrained each other and, like the other divisions, did not dare to conduct serious attacks.

In the direction of Gorodok, the Austrians abandoned the 5 Cavalry Division, which met at the Gorodok with the 2 Joint Cossack Division, supported by infantry. There was a serious battle - during which the Austrians were defeated and retreated. Cossacks remained in the town.


2 schema. The actions of the Austro-Hungarian and Russian cavalry in the initial period of the war in Galicia.

The Austro-Hungarian command was especially interested in the southern flank of the Russian South-Western Front. The fulfillment of the reconnaissance task was entrusted to them by the 1 Cavalry Division, thrown through Kamyanets-Podilsky on Dunaevtsy. Having broken through the cordon of the border guard Kamenetz-Podolsk, the Austrians reached Dunaevtsy - without meeting significant Russian forces here, and, therefore, without feeling for the left flank of the Russian 8 Army.

Thus ended the work of cavalry in Galicia at the stage of deployment and concentration of enemy armies. The cavalry of both opponents, although they worked a lot, could not fully give everything.

The Austro-Hungarian commander-in-chief, due to the poor performance of the 1, 5 and 8 Cavalry Division, had a false idea of ​​the disposition of the Russian troops in Podolia - which subsequently led to a sudden strike from the 8 army. Deploying the latest Austrians missed.

As you know, in 1912, the colonel of the Austrian General Staff A. Redl sold the plan for the strategic deployment of the Austro-Hungarian armies to the Russians for 50000. In accordance with the latter, the Austrians deployed directly at the pvcco-Austrian border. The Austrians, having learned about the leak, attributed the concentration area to the interior of the country, extending their northern flank to Krakow.

Relying on the data of the old deployment plan, as well as on the insufficient reconnaissance data of their cavalry, which confirmed the biased views of the front and main commands, the Russians deceived themselves. As a result, the 3-I and 8-I armies in the first days of the operation hit the empty space (which the main forces of the Austrians assumed), and the 4-I and 5 armies were hit by the enemy’s northern flank.

Thus, the first exam of the cavalry of both opponents (without exaggeration - the best in Europe) failed, failing to realize the basic task - to conduct operational intelligence. What are the reasons for the weak intelligence activities of cavalry?

The main reason is that neither the Russians nor the Austrians used the cavalry en masse.

Having 3 three-division equestrian corps and abandoning them for reconnaissance in the directions of: a) Tarnopol - Proskurov, b) Brody - Exactly, c) Tomashev - Kholm, the Austro-Hungarian General Command received not only reliable intelligence data, but could seriously compromise concentration Russian armies. If we take into account that the Austrians were afraid of the invasion of the Russian cavalry masses in Galicia, then all the more it should be recognized as erroneous to disperse the existing cavalry.

In turn, the Russians also did not mass their cavalry and did not abandon it to defeat the covering troops - which the Austrians were terribly afraid of. Meanwhile, at the beginning of August the Russians could invade 6 with equestrian corps consisting of more than 50000 sabers on: a) Radom, Kielce, Krakow; b) Lublin, Krasnik, Sandomir, Tarnov; c) The Hill, Tomashev, Yaroslav; d) Volodymyr-Volynsky, Sokal, Lviv; e) Tarnopol, Lviv; e) Kamenetz-Podolsk, Galich, Stry.

A particular advantage was gained by massaging cavalry on the right flank of the front. From the district of Radom, Krasnik equestrian mass, breaking into the valley of the river. San, she could crush parts of the Kummer group and the left flank of the Austrian 1 Army. Moreover, even the passive disposition of cavalry masses in the region of Kielce, Radom, Krasnik would have put the Austrians under threat of a flank attack from the Russian cavalry in the event of the Austrian 1-army eastward. With a similar way of using cavalry on the left (southern) flank of the front, the cavalry corps or 2 corps abandoned south of Lviv would meet the troops of the Austrian 2 army approaching from the Serbian front and force them to deploy significantly west.

The course of the Battle of Galicia would be completely different - with more serious and decisive strategic consequences.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 30 March 2018 06: 14
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    Having 3 three-division horse corps and having thrown them for reconnaissance in the following directions: a) Tarnopol - Proskurov, b) Brody - Exactly, c) Tomashev - Kholm, the Austro-Hungarian high command received not only reliable intelligence, but it could seriously to compromise concentration of Russian armies.
    Into intelligence by the entire corps .... original. And I don’t quite understand the application here of the concept of “compromise”, in relation to the actions of the troops. The meaning of this word, in explanatory dictionaries, means:
    To put smb. in an awkward position; defame, disgrace.
    I believe that the word RIP is more appropriate here. The cavalry could disrupt the concentration and deployment of the Russian army ...
    1. OAV09081974
      30 March 2018 06: 34
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      Dear Sergey!
      In the exploration of all cavalcore .... original.

      This is a massive use of cavalry. And this does not mean that THE ENTIRE BODY WENT IN EXACTLY AT ONCE. The fact is that even when conducting reconnaissance in force, weak patrols could not “illuminate” the corresponding direction and reveal the enemy grouping. Therefore, reconnaissance was conducted by squadrons, and (sometimes) even by divisions. What, for example, experts say, was not done in the case of the 7 th cavalry division in the battle of Tarnoshin in August 1914.
      In this opinion, I proceed from the work of Soviet military specialists - Yevseyev, Pevnev and Batorsky. Some of them were cavalrymen. The first of them, in particular, in the pages of the magazine Red Cavalry just writes
      collecting cavalry in 3 three-division equestrian corps and leaving them for reconnaissance on: a) Tarnopol - Proskurov, b) Brody - Exactly, c) Tomashev - Kholm, the Austro-Hungarian General Command received not only reliable intelligence, but it could seriously to compromise concentration of Russian armies.

      N. Evseev knew better than your dictionaries and, most importantly, cavalry tactics - and not by hearsay. To compromise means not to disrupt, dear, since the forces of the Austrians in the cavalry were still not enough compared to the Russians, and PUT UNDER a BLOW.
      The term discredit according to the dictionary in the meaning
      To put smb. in an awkward position; defame, disgrace.
      now you are applying - placing the first, and incompetent, comment on this article.
      I am not a trooper - and I have to attract the opinions of major specialists.
      Are you a military specialist? You are a cavalryman, so judge on this?
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        1. Rodent
          Rodent 30 March 2018 06: 52
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          Respect author!
          Some knights still teach history in explanatory dictionaries and Wikipedia articles.
          Do not pay attention to them!
          This is a common struggle with competitors, nothing more.
          You have an excellent article about the missed opportunities of the cavalry, when indeed it could be applied en masse and achieve major results. And what kind of horse attacks were in the summer of 14. One Yaroslavitsa is worth it.
          Congratulations on becoming the laureate of the national literary award "The Shield and Sword of the Fatherland." https://vpk-news.ru/articles/40699
          hi
          1. OAV09081974
            30 March 2018 07: 00
            +17
            Thank you for your congratulations, Vladimir!
            I will try to follow your advice. hi
          2. svp67
            svp67 30 March 2018 16: 57
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            Quote: Rodent
            Some knights still teach history in explanatory dictionaries and Wikipedia articles.

            This shows, at least, that a person is thoughtful about studying the material, and not just copying texts from OTHERS and trying to pass it off as his work.
            1. OAV09081974
              30 March 2018 17: 21
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              About thoughtful, I have already heard something.
              The author does not just copy and try to give out.
              This is the conclusion of a specialist, with whom I fully agree.
              Do not confuse me with yourself or anyone else.
              And the meanings of words and terms are different, even in dictionaries.
              1. soldier
                soldier 30 March 2018 17: 32
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                In other words, they simply retell what is in the article)
                Modern military specialists)
              2. svp67
                svp67 30 March 2018 17: 50
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                Quote: OAV09081974
                Do not confuse me with yourself or anyone else.

                Yes, I’m not trying, unlike you ....
                Quote: OAV09081974
                And the meanings of words and terms are different, even in dictionaries.

                There is a specific controversial word, I PLEASE PROVE ... Prove - I agree, and so you are likened to May ... we know, we think, but we have no evidence
                1. Bouncer
                  Bouncer 30 March 2018 18: 26
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                  There is a specific controversial word, I PLEASE PROVE ... Prove - I agree, and so you are likened to May ... we know, we think, but we have no evidence

                  Russian specialist however?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 30 March 2018 19: 08
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                    Quote: Bouncer
                    Russian specialist however?

                    But ...
                    1. Bouncer
                      Bouncer 30 March 2018 19: 18
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                      As well as in matters of massaging the cavalry ... probably)
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 30 March 2018 19: 49
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                        Quote: Bouncer
                        As well as in matters of massaging the cavalry ... probably)

                        Listen, instead of wrangling, act wiser. Find the meaning of the word "compromised" in the Russian explanatory dictionaries and prove the truth of the author. Just business.
      2. svp67
        svp67 30 March 2018 16: 55
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        Quote: OAV09081974
        Are you a military specialist?
        I have the honor to be
        Quote: OAV09081974
        Are you a cavalryman that so peremptorily judge this?

        With this phrase alone, you put yourself in the position of a person who does not understand the essence of the issue at all. There are foundations for organizing and conducting reconnaissance, and they are the same for all military branches. And believe me, whole corps, and these are associations of several tens of thousands of people, do not go into intelligence. Reconnaissance can be sent from the corps, line units can be allocated for reconnaissance in battle.
        Quote: OAV09081974
        And this does not mean that the WHOLE HOUSING SIMULTANEOUSLY GOED FOR EXPLORATION.

        So, what you wrote is written by you WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING the essence of the action.
        Quote: OAV09081974
        N. Evseev knew better than your dictionaries and, most importantly, cavalry tactics - and not by hearsay. To compromise means not to disrupt, dear, since the forces of the Austrians in the cavalry were still not enough compared to the Russians, and PUT UNDER a BLOW.

        Everyone is mistaken, including military historians. And in order to prove my mistake, I ASK YOU to reinforce YOUR WORDS with a quote from their explanatory dictionary of the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE. Otherwise, it is perceived in the same way as the phrase "water fell by a jack." It’s not difficult for you to do this, since you are not too lazy to copy other people's texts, then work hard ...
        Quote: OAV09081974
        We are talking about the massive use of cavalry.
        Here you again did not understand anything from the material that you copied from others. Their materials say about the LOST OPPORTUNITIES of both sides in the use of maneuvering operational forces, which at that time was cavalry.
        1. OAV09081974
          30 March 2018 17: 18
          +16
          So listen to what I tell you.
          Especially since I communicate with the anonymous user for the last time.
          You may be a military specialist, but you did not serve in cavalry.
          And your opinion cannot stand together not only with historians, but also with cavalry practitioners — Yevseyev, Pevnev and Batorsky.
          I understand the essence of the action.
          And studied, imagine, a huge array of literature over a long period. But you take to judge, not knowing the subject.
          Of course, we are talking about missed opportunities for the use of cavalry. Missed due to the lack of massaging cavalry.
          Write about this Evseev, Batorsky and Pevnev.
          1. svp67
            svp67 30 March 2018 17: 53
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            Quote: OAV09081974
            Of course, we are talking about missed opportunities for the use of cavalry. Missed due to the lack of massaging cavalry.

            Wu, and La. Which should have been proved. That is, starting "for health", you finished "in peace ...". And why did you need to raise all this noise? I am glad that I was able to prove my point of view and make sure that you understand what was discussed.
            But then again, you are not expressing yourself exactly what is “NO MASSAGING”? Just it WAS PRESENT. Since large masses of cavalry were concentrated on this theater. But they were not used in the composition in which they were available, that is, purposefully and MASSOVO, in specific sectors of the front.
            1. Bouncer
              Bouncer 30 March 2018 18: 20
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              I will insert my
              svp67
              Are you a military specialist?
              I have the honor to be

              Why on earth do we believe in the word?
              But in any case, the military serve in the army, military historians write articles.
              But just this phrase:
              You put yourself in the position of a person who does not fully understand the essence of the issue. There are foundations for organizing and conducting reconnaissance, and they are the same for all military branches. And believe me, whole corps, and these are associations of several tens of thousands of people, do not go into intelligence. Reconnaissance can be sent from the corps, line units can be allocated for reconnaissance in battle.

              says a lot.
              EXPLORING BATTLE go whole divisions - that is, large groups of people. This is exactly what happened under Yaroslavitsa. and the case mentioned in the article
              actions of the consolidated cavalry division (2nd and 3rd separate cavalry brigades). On August 7, this division broke through the border at Rava-Russkaya, advanced to Kamenka, and on August 8 destroyed the bridge across the river. Bug, and dispersed the small parts and rear of the Austrian 2nd and 11th cavalry divisions. But, turning north-east of Kamenka, she came across 2 battalions of rangers and border units and, having failed, withdrew. As a result of these actions, it was established that north-east of Lviv there are no large Austrian forces.

              There are foundations for organizing and conducting reconnaissance, and they are the same for all military branches.

              Far from it.
              This comrade disagrees.

              considering various types of intelligence and revealing the specifics of the CAVALERY, distinguishing from others.
              What is "NO MASSAGING"? Just it WAS PRESENT. Since large masses of cavalry were concentrated on this theater. But they were not used in the composition in which they were available, that is, purposefully and MASSOVO, in specific sectors of the front.

              The fact of the matter is that there was NO MASSAGE - the cavalry was spread out divisively along the entire 400-km front. And Evseev believes that one should have shock fists.
              1. Bouncer
                Bouncer 30 March 2018 18: 36
                +15
                In short, the statements and distortions of svp67 are fundamentally false.
                However, if there is a weak knowledge of the factology of the use of cavalry, then this is excusable.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 30 March 2018 19: 19
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                  Quote: Bouncer
                  However, if there is a weak knowledge of the factology of the use of cavalry, then this is excusable.

                  Again, everything is simple ... show me an example of how a whole cavalry division went into reconnaissance. Enough points of combat order or order for it ... Pliz.
                  1. Bouncer
                    Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 19
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                    Well, you are a military specialist, so look for orders)
                    And I will give an episode - the actions of the 1st cavalry division of V.I. Gurko on Markgrabov on August 1, 1914.
                    Reconnaissance in battle.
                    July 31 - an order from the army command to search at Markgrabov. The entire division participated in full force.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 30 March 2018 20: 25
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                      Quote: Bouncer
                      Well, you are a military specialist, so look for orders)

                      You know, but this is more than strange. You, however, are positioned as a cavalry specialist and you are asked to help in learning the truth. But you refuse. I honestly admitted that I do not have this book. Otherwise, I would rely on her to quote the necessary quotes. I conclude that you do not have it either.
                      Quote: Bouncer
                      And I will give an episode - the actions of the 1st cavalry division of V.I. Gurko on Markgrabov on August 1, 1914.
                      Reconnaissance in battle.
                      July 31 - an order from the army command to search at Markgrabov. The entire division participated in full force.

                      Sorry, if you are special, you should understand that this is alas, but your words ... Where are the orders or orders. And again, you mention cavalry division, but this is only a PART of the cavalry corps. And when a reconnaissance task is set for units or formations, it is carried out by their own reconnaissance units or linear units allocated for this. In the Soviet army for this stood out to the battalion and to him an equal division of other branches of the army.
                      1. Bouncer
                        Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 28
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                        If about Batorsky - I gave you the title and table of contents.
                        Can still lay out the whole? And so he spent a lot of time.
                        And again, you mention cavalry division, but this is only a PART of the cavalry corps.

                        Yeah, so you didn’t believe above that the whole division could go into reconnaissance in battle. What does the case have to do with it. Is it yours:?
                        Again, everything is simple ... show me an example of how a whole cavalry division went into reconnaissance.
              2. svp67
                svp67 30 March 2018 19: 18
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                Quote: Bouncer
                EXPLORING BATTLE go whole divisions - that is, large groups of people. This is exactly what happened under Yaroslavitsa. and the case mentioned in the article

                What you described is a “raid action,” which in particular, of course, includes reconnaissance, but by special units, and not the entire cavalry division ... But even if you agree that it was “reconnaissance in battle,” a division was involved, but not a corps . You understand the difference.
                You cited, as evidence, the book of Batorsky "Cavalry Service", did you just do it or do you have it? If there is, bring out paragraphs on reconnaissance by cavalry from it ... And you prove it all.
                1. Bouncer
                  Bouncer 30 March 2018 19: 30
                  +15
                  What you described is "raid actions", which in particular, of course, include reconnaissance, but by special units, and not the entire cavalry division

                  No, I'm talking about reconnaissance in battle.
                  Raid actions are another form.
                  What do you know about the battle at Yaroslavitsa or about the battle mentioned in the text of the article.
                  There is a book, you are not required to prove anything.
                  Nothing to anyone - and for a long time.
                  But I’ll give you a page, just ASK. Believe that Bator)

                  I do not understand what I have to prove to anyone?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 30 March 2018 19: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Bouncer
                    I do not understand what I have to prove to anyone?

                    No, nothing is needed. In Chapter 12, “Operations under Special Conditions,” find the intelligence points and announce them. What forces and means it is produced.
                    By the way, items from the tasks of the "strategic" and "tactical cavalry" can be, especially the latter should have points for reconnaissance.
                    1. Bouncer
                      Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 04
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                      So the question remains - what do I owe you?
                      And the second - you realized your mistake that the cavalry was spread out divisively across the entire 400-km front, and there was no massing in the form of fists?
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 30 March 2018 20: 11
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                        Quote: Bouncer
                        So the question remains - what do I owe you?

                        Should not, you perceive this question as strange. I do not have this book, and therefore I ASK for excerpts from it about the organization and conduct of reconnaissance by the cavalry. If you have one, it’s not difficult.
                        Quote: Bouncer
                        And the second - you realized your mistake that the cavalry was spread out divisively across the entire 400-km front, and there was no massing in the form of fists?

                        It’s ridiculous. At the expense of my mistake. This is a mistake of the command of the warring parties. What am I talking about, as I mentioned in my commentary on 19.06/XNUMX, but you, in "righteous anger," simply did not reach him ...
    2. Cartalon
      Cartalon 30 March 2018 13: 21
      +1
      To break it means to impede concentration, but here it is more likely to mean opening it and thereby depriving it of meaning.
      1. svp67
        svp67 30 March 2018 17: 06
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        Quote: Cartalon
        To break it means to impede concentration, but here it is more likely to mean opening it and thereby depriving it of meaning.

        Listen, don’t tell ... the authors from whose works the author of this article took quotes clearly and clearly show that if any of the parties took more active actions with their cavalry in the first days of the war, they could achieve an operational, or even strategic advantage this theater. That is, carrying out deep raids by the masses of cavalry in the rear, it was possible not only to "deprive", but to disrupt the entire structure of the enemy’s troops, to force him to play according to his own rules. This is what later in the years of our Civil War did Mamontov, Slashchev, Budyonny, Primakov. This is what the Germans did in WWII using the "iron cavalry" - tanks and the "grenadier panzer"
        1. soldier
          soldier 30 March 2018 17: 30
          +15
          So this is what the article says.
          With massaging the cavalry, create shock fists - and you could achieve a serious operational and strategic advantage in the theater.
          It is not clear why we cast a shadow on the wattle fence.
          Simply put - open in the comments of America)
          1. svp67
            svp67 30 March 2018 17: 54
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            Quote: soldier
            With massaging the cavalry, create shock fists - and you could achieve a serious operational and strategic advantage in the theater.

            The fact is that the author, well, the one who collected all the other people's material, seems to understand this only now.
            1. Bouncer
              Bouncer 30 March 2018 18: 21
              +15
              The fact is that the author, well, the one who collected all the other people's material, seems to understand this only now.

              Yes, you understand it just now.
              The author says that
              A particular advantage was gained by massaging cavalry on the right flank of the front. From the district of Radom, Krasnik equestrian mass, breaking into the valley of the river. San, she could crush parts of the Kummer group and the left flank of the Austrian 1 Army. Moreover, even the passive disposition of cavalry masses in the region of Kielce, Radom, Krasnik would have put the Austrians under threat of a flank attack from the Russian cavalry in the event of the Austrian 1-army eastward. With a similar way of using cavalry on the left (southern) flank of the front, the cavalry corps or 2 corps abandoned south of Lviv would meet the troops of the Austrian 2 army approaching from the Serbian front and force them to deploy significantly west.

              I look at the book, I see fika
              1. svp67
                svp67 30 March 2018 19: 26
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                Quote: Bouncer
                The author says that

                The author did not write this, but copied it from someone else's work ...
                1. Bouncer
                  Bouncer 30 March 2018 19: 33
                  +15
                  The author wrote this.
                  Keep speculation with you.
                  Can we begin to understand who and what is copyright on this site?
                  The thought however ...
                  Or maybe start REALLY reviewing all the articles that are published, and some will climb the wall?))
          2. Bouncer
            Bouncer 30 March 2018 18: 30
            +15
            soldier
            So this is what the article says.
            With massaging the cavalry, create shock fists - and you could achieve a serious operational and strategic advantage in the theater.
            It is not clear why we cast a shadow on the wattle fence.
            Simply put - open in the comments of America)

            You and I understood this long ago.
            And svp67 - only now, well, and does not know how to say about it)
            1. svp67
              svp67 30 March 2018 19: 24
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              Quote: Bouncer
              You and I understood this long ago.

              You are clearly overestimating your mental capabilities.
              1. Bouncer
                Bouncer 30 March 2018 19: 31
                +15
                Your probably also overestimated)
                Or not?
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 30 March 2018 07: 45
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    The course of the Battle of Galicia would be completely different - with more serious and decisive strategic consequences.
    ... Alas, what happened happened ...
  3. Vard
    Vard 30 March 2018 08: 24
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    The history of the subjunctive mood does not have ... Alas, after the appearance of volley fire, cavalry as a species ... Died ...
    1. soldier
      soldier 30 March 2018 09: 00
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      History of the subjunctive mood has no

      This is a false premise.
      Historical experience involves, among other things, ANALYSIS of missed opportunities. That's why he is experience. It is extremely interesting to analyze what happened and what could happen.
      https://krylov.livejournal.com/2863516.html
      Alas, after the appearance of volley fire, cavalry as a species ... Died ...

      Absolutely not.
      Volley fire of infantry in the PMV (fire in packs) and even machine guns did not lead to the death of the cavalry. She acted successfully, influencing the fate of many operations. Even attacking the cavalry, artillery, and even the ATTENDING INFANTRY OF THE ENEMY in the HORSE STORY (for example, there were articles in the HE - Neradovo. History of a horse attack of operational significance or the Polish attack of Ukrainian hussars). There were several hundred mounted attacks on the Russian front.
      Were in the West - in August 1914, and then in August 1918
      As the practitioner and theoretician of the Russian cavalry F. A. Keller wrote: “The cavalry will find a place on the battlefield.” Intelligence, providing joints, pursuit, etc.
      cavalry as a species

      Cavalry is not a species - but a military branch. Or, as they said 100 years ago, a kind of weapon.
      1. BRONEVIK
        BRONEVIK 30 March 2018 09: 07
        +16
        "The cavalry will find a place on the battlefield."

        Yes, no one needs killer attacks.
        But to correctly seize the moment and apply the cavalry to the PLACE is an art.
        For example, Tekinians acted at Yurkovtsy in 1916. Having made his way through the dilapidated battlefield and the labyrinths of wire, they overturned the infantry brigade.
        There were no close reserves in the event of an enemy counterattack. Only the Tekinsky cavalry regiment with difficulty made its way through the gap breached in the enemy’s position and, having gotten out of the heaped barbed wire and labyrinths of ditches and holes, followed the advancing infantry to the village. Onut.
        At this critical moment for the coming moment, the enemy moved the infantry brigade in the direction south of the station. Windows - in the counterattack on p. Onut. The situation for the Russian units that had broken through, disorganized by the rapid offensive, was difficult, but they were rescued by the Tekinsky cavalry regiment, whose commander promptly noticed the danger threatening the infantrymen and, having correctly assessed the situation, on his own initiative, in turn, unexpectedly for the Austrian infantry brigade moving in the counter attack, attacked her in equestrian system - and simultaneously in both flank.
        And instead of an effective attack, the Austrian brigade raised its hands up and surrendered - despite the small number of cavalrymen - only about 400 sabers.
        The battle proved that good cavalry under any tactical circumstances could provide key assistance to other combat arms. He showed the importance of the interaction between cavalry and infantry, as well as the great importance of the initiative on the part of the cavalry command personnel. Moreover, the number of attacking cavalry did not matter - the effect of a rushing horse avalanche overwhelmingly acted on staunch infantry and balanced the number of opposing forces.
        https://topwar.ru/111709-tekinskiy-konnyy-polk-v-
        ogne-pervoy-mirovoy-voyny-chast-2.html
        1. soldier
          soldier 30 March 2018 09: 08
          +16
          Exactly.
          http://history.milportal.ru/2016/07/tekinskij-kon
          nyj-polk-elitnaya-kavalerijskaya-chast-russkoj-ar
          mii-pervoj-mirovoj-vojny /
  4. XII Legion
    XII Legion 30 March 2018 08: 26
    +16
    Indeed, having a mass of excellent cavalry with excellent training (and partly kept in peacetime in the military), plus a theater of war, which allowed the possibility of massive use of cavalry, both sides used cavalry too timidly.
    And she did not do what she could.
    Yaroslavice, Buchach and Gorodenka were just episodes.
    And if the cavalry were to be used in a more massive and active way (the more so there was a maneuvering war, moreover, at the stage of concentration and deployment) - the war would have ended earlier before it took on sad and sad positional forms.
    1. BRONEVIK
      BRONEVIK 30 March 2018 08: 37
      +16
      Indeed, having a mass of excellent cavalry with excellent training (and partly kept in peacetime in the military), plus a theater of war, which allowed the possibility of massive use of cavalry, both sides used cavalry too timidly.

      Yes.
      And imagine, besides, what were the real prospects in a situation where combined arms armies ONLY concentrate? There is no united front yet; communications are open.
      And the cavalry is already mobilized and deployed ...
      By the way, even on the French front during this period, much could be done. Cavalry opponents acted actively - but not at full strength.
      Unfortunately, all the large formations of Gurko, Keller and Budyonny were not at the head.
      But, which is also important, the Russian cavalry during this period, in contrast to the Austrian one, also achieved some tangible successes - it "hid" the concentration of the 8th army (which affected the victory in the Battle of Galicia) and conducted several major battles - actually reconnaissance a battle on a divisional scale (against which svp67 so objects))
  5. shuravi
    shuravi 30 March 2018 10: 08
    0
    And where is the exam here? This is the swan song of the livestock troops.
    1. Cheburator
      Cheburator 30 March 2018 10: 30
      +16
      And where is the exam here? This is the swan song of the livestock troops.

      Anything to blurt out))
      Connoisseur however))
      Knight)))
      The examination for the use of the cavalry masses in the operational-strategic sense is meant.
      It is absolutely true that both sides of it did not pass. Both sides did not use cavalry en masse, missing a number of opportunities.
      The cavalry’s “swan song” didn’t. The cavalry was actively used throughout the war on the Russian front - having carried out a series of attacks (there is a series of articles authored by Rubets. War Matter. Equestrian attacks of the Russian imperial cavalry in WWI). Speaking of the tactics of the Russian cavalry and its achievements - in a solid newspaper
      http://nvo.ng.ru/history/2017-01-27/9_934_razvedk
      a.html

      The Swan Song did not become yet because the cavalry was actively used later - in the Civil War, and in the Great Patriotic War.
  6. Bouncer
    Bouncer 30 March 2018 12: 09
    +17
    Thanks to the author for the informative, at the same time, concise article.
    Briefly and clearly.
    I would like to make a request, at the same time a proposal
    write a series of articles on the combat use of cavalry in the First World War - both Russian and foreign. To raise public awareness on this subject. Although the author has already written a lot hi
  7. Brutan
    Brutan 30 March 2018 13: 34
    +1
    Having set up a cordon, the cavalry organized reconnaissance, sending out separate detachments and reconnaissance squadrons laid down according to the charters - designed to open the enemy’s grouping.

    According to the charter. Insolence, amateur performance just did not suffice.
    [quotedepartments and squadrons, of course, could not seriously go deep into enemy territory - both because of quantitative weakness, and because the charters established a certain norm for moving away from the main forces. And since the main forces of the concentrated and deployed armies were located in 4-6 transitions from the border, naturally, the detachments and reconnaissance squadrons could not reach them - all the more so because the enemy’s outposts and guards were on the roads and key directions.] [/ quote]
    Everything is correct, therefore massage of the cavalry was necessary.
    From the region of Radom, Krasnik equestrian mass, breaking into the valley of the river. San, could crush parts of the Kummer group and the left flank of the Austrian 1st Army.

    Right.
    Incidentally, the actions of the 14th Cavalry Division in this direction (BM Shaposhnikov served in it, the author of a number of articles and military-scientific works), with all its passivity, show what an active group in this area could achieve. One division provided the front flank.
  8. Rotmistr
    Rotmistr 30 March 2018 15: 15
    +17
    The veils watched each other, covered the concentration.
    They did not show excessive activity, especially since the war had just begun.
    А зря.
    The command failed the exam twice: firstly, having smeared the cavalry along the front, not massaging it in shock fists and, secondly, applying it languidly.
    Cavalry divisional candidates were generally adequate, but some also failed the exam.
    For example, our Tyulin, a divisional 7 who missed the flank attack of the Austrians on 17 AK or the Austrian chief of the 5th Honored Cavalry Division, Field Marshal-Lieutenant Ernst von Froraich. The latter died after the failure of the cavalry battle at Satanov (Gorodok) on August 4, 1914.
    The cavalry battle of the 5th Honored Cavalry and 2nd Consolidated Cossack Divisions is one of the most striking cavalry clashes in the First World War. After an unsuccessful attack, having lost his sons (one died, the other was captured), General E. Frereich (considered one of the best cavalry generals in Austria-Hungary) shot himself.
    1. Brutan
      Brutan 30 March 2018 15: 18
      +1
      So now the guys will come running in headsets and aviation caps and say: "flayer", "swan song", "there was nothing." laughing
      1. Rotmistr
        Rotmistr 30 March 2018 15: 24
        +16
        I send the guys to 2 works (for starters):
        Tikhotsky E. "Attack of the Austro-Hungarian Cavalry on the 2nd Consolidated Cossack Division under the metro Gorodok August 4-17, 1914" Belgrade, 1930.
        и
        Slivinsky A. Equestrian battle of the 10th cavalry division of General Count Keller on August 8/21, 1914 at the village of Yaroslavice, Serbia 1921.
        It will be very informative.
        But about a whole series of extremely interesting and relatively little-known cavalry battles and attacks in the WWII on the VO (and not only on the VO) it is written and I hope it will be written.
        1. Brutan
          Brutan 30 March 2018 15: 27
          +2
          By the way, I highly recommend the book
          Karpeev V.I. Cavalry: divisions, brigades, corps. Units of the Russian army. 1810-1917. M .: "Reitar", 2012.
          A detailed, serious study of the organizational structure of the Russian cavalry. And the author is smart.
          1. soldier
            soldier 30 March 2018 17: 27
            +16
            You understand what’s the matter - for some, the term from the explanatory dictionary is more important than a bunch of studies on the tactics of using cavalry.
            I don’t know anything about operations or real events.
            But I can quote comments and sculpt a hunchback.
            As they say - yes
  9. shuravi
    shuravi 30 March 2018 17: 59
    0
    And where is the exam here? This is the swan song of the livestock troops.
    Quote: Cheburator
    And where is the exam here? This is the swan song of the livestock troops.

    Anything to blurt out))
    Connoisseur however))
    Knight)))


    I understand that boys on sofas want to imagine themselves as strategists. Especially when they are about forty, and the asset is perhaps a game in the lightning.
    So they dig the Internet, in an attempt to find something, in order to appear smart.
    Only reality, alas, does not depend on their Wishlist.
    And she, the reality, is such.
    By the beginning of the WWII, the only advantage of the cavalry was its high mobility, in comparison with other genera of NE.
    But, at the same time, she was already starting to lag behind in firepower. Attempts to saturate the cavalry with machine guns and, most importantly, artillery failed. Even machine-gun carts could not move on rough terrain, at best tied to roads.
    And whatever the dreamers would say, but not so much against the machine guns, even against the dense rifle fire, the breeders are powerless.
    The only chance is to introduce her into a breakthrough for action on the rear. Which was carried out by infantry with the support of artillery.
    But with the saturation of the warring parties with aviation, all the advantage in mobility is nullified. The banal whatnot with a box of "nails" she mowed up with impunity squadrons.
    That's all.
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer 30 March 2018 18: 24
      +16

      I understand that boys on sofas want to imagine themselves as strategists. Especially when they are about forty, and the asset is perhaps a game in the lightning.

      Aren't you a boy on the couch?
      So they dig the Internet, in an attempt to find something, in order to appear smart.

      That's it - it's about you and most of the local public. And the trick is to just find what is unknown to the Internet, And only historians are capable of it - and they were counted on by one or two of them in VO.
      But, at the same time, she was already starting to lag behind in firepower. Attempts to saturate the cavalry with machine guns and, most importantly, artillery failed. Even machine-gun carts could not move on rough terrain, at best tied to roads.
      And whatever the dreamers would say, but not so much against the machine guns, even against the dense rifle fire, the breeders are powerless.
      The only chance is to introduce her into a breakthrough for action on the rear. Which was carried out by infantry with the support of artillery.
      But with the saturation of the warring parties with aviation, all the advantage in mobility is nullified. The banal whatnot with a box of "nails" she mowed up with impunity squadrons.

      Yes, this is empty talk.
      For example, are you familiar with the battles of Yaroslavice, Neradovo, Chulchice?
      That is, with REAL EPISODES of the use of cavalry?
      1. soldier
        soldier 30 March 2018 18: 41
        +16
        What is he familiar with there
        Already this opus
        shuravi
        The only chance is to introduce her into a breakthrough for action on the rear. Which was carried out by infantry with the support of artillery.

        speaks of ignorance of the facts.
        In short, illiteracy multiplied by unceremoniousness.
        Under Neradovo in July 1915, the Russian cavalry STOPED THE COMING GERMAN INFANTRY.
        Against the facts, all these svp67 and shuravi are powerless.
      2. shuravi
        shuravi 30 March 2018 20: 33
        0
        Quote: Bouncer

        Aren't you a boy on the couch?


        Unlike you, I do not hide my data. You can look in profile.


        Yes, this is empty talk.
        For example, are you familiar with the battles of Yaroslavice, Neradovo, Chulchice?
        That is, with REAL EPISODES of the use of cavalry?


        But essentially there is something to argue? Moreover, all your episodes before the mass entry of aviation into the troops. Or knowledge is not enough to understand this?
        1. Bouncer
          Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 46
          +16
          But essentially there is something to argue?

          You do not know the facts - how the Russian cavalry acted in real combat episodes.
          We are talking about the WWI, during which the Russian cavalry held in 1914-16. over 400 horseback attacks
          And what kind of aviation was flying there - the tenth matter
          1. Bouncer
            Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 46
            +16
            over 400 horseback attacks

            this is essentially
            and this
            Moreover, all your episodes before the mass entry of aviation into the troops. Or knowledge is not enough to understand this?

            lyrics
  10. Bouncer
    Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 22
    +16
    svp67,
    You are attached to the word.
    But the meaning is still understood.
  11. Bouncer
    Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 23
    +16
    svp67,
    It’s ridiculous. At the expense of my mistake. This is a mistake of the command of the warring parties. What am I talking about, as I mentioned in my commentary on 19.06/XNUMX, but you, in "righteous anger," simply did not reach him ...

    No mistakes.
    You argued that massaging was - isn’t it?
    And it was NOT in the right configuration. This is true
  12. shuravi
    shuravi 30 March 2018 20: 40
    0
    Quote: soldier

    speaks of ignorance of the facts.
    In short, illiteracy multiplied by unceremoniousness.
    Under Neradovo in July 1915, the Russian cavalry STOPED THE COMING GERMAN INFANTRY.
    Against the facts, all these svp67 and shuravi are powerless.


    Sorry, but you deceive stupid. For unable to understand what was said. All your facts just confirm my words. In the same 1915 year it was very far, the combat use of aviation besides intelligence.
    During the 1980-1982 period, Dushmans in Afghanistan, mindful of the success of the Basmachi in Central Asia, tried to use cavalry. But faced with Mi-24 they quickly realized their wrong.
    So rest, baby. hi
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 43
      +16
      That you stupid please
      In the same 1915 year it was very far, the combat use of aviation besides intelligence.

      Near Neradovo in July 1915, the Russian cavalry during the Horse ATTACK STOPPED the advancing GERMAN INFANTRY.
    2. Bouncer
      Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 50
      +16
      So rest, baby. hi
  13. shuravi
    shuravi 30 March 2018 20: 47
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    That you stupid please
    In the same 1915 year it was very far, the combat use of aviation besides intelligence.

    Near Neradovo in July 1915, the Russian cavalry during the Horse ATTACK STOPPED the advancing GERMAN INFANTRY.



    Do you have any brains? Well, you can’t be so stupid. in 1915 aviation as a striking force was in its infancy, it was these years that became the swan song of livestock breeders. So hard to comprehend?
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 54
      +16
      So you are trending that in 1915 the Russian cavalry only conducted reconnaissance.
      And above they wrote that: I quote:
      The only chance is to introduce her into a breakthrough for action on the rear. Which was carried out by infantry with the support of artillery.

      And this is bullshit
    2. Bouncer
      Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 56
      +16
      these years have become the swan song of breeders

      No, they didn’t.
      The Civil Cavalry was the main striking force.
      And in the Second World War of the Cavalry Corps - the elite of the Red Army.
  14. Bouncer
    Bouncer 30 March 2018 20: 49
    +16
    Bouncer,
    And you know something else. You, as I understand it, also position yourself as a connoisseur of cavalry (albeit a knightly one), but you have not seen that the article is about CALCULATED cavalry corps. Based on the number of divisions.
    For the Russian army went to war in 1914., Having the cavalry (Cossack) division as the highest cavalry unit. And only in the fall began the formation of improvised "consolidated horse corps" of 2's divisions. And in 1915, such corps were reinforced by giving them third and fourth horse divisions. So there were permanent equestrian corps.
  15. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 30 March 2018 22: 21
    +15
    Interesting article
    Fine good
  16. shuravi
    shuravi 30 March 2018 23: 20
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    So you are trending that in 1915 the Russian cavalry only conducted reconnaissance.


    You have run out of arguments and you started to bullshit?
    Where did I say that? Quote to the studio.


    And this is bullshit

    Well, in the hands of the flag, list the other tasks of the cavalry that it could effectively solve, especially with massive use for the 1915 year, surrounding operations on the rear.
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer 31 March 2018 05: 48
      +15
      Well, in the hands of the flag, list the other tasks of the cavalry that it could effectively solve, especially with massive use for the 1915 year, surrounding operations on the rear.

      Are you pretending to be ali?
      I repeat for the tenth time:
      Near Neradovo in July 1915, the Russian cavalry during the Horse ATTACK STOPPED the advancing GERMAN INFANTRY.

      For example, the
      bottom task - cover joints
      the other is to stop the advancing enemy. THE ENEMY'S INFANTRY.
  17. shuravi
    shuravi 30 March 2018 23: 24
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    these years have become the swan song of breeders

    No, they didn’t.
    The Civil Cavalry was the main striking force.



    The Civil War had a huge lag in technical equipment.

    And in the Second World War of the Cavalry Corps - the elite of the Red Army.


    Boyish delirium. This "elite" sat in the trenches along with the infantry, and the horses worked in the wagon train.
    Name at least one operation of the Second World War, where the cavalry had a decisive role.
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer 31 March 2018 05: 53
      +15

      The Civil War had a huge lag in technical equipment

      Wow, what are we smart
      Most importantly, the civil war was highly maneuverable, due to various factors.
      Name at least one operation of the Second World War, where the cavalry had a decisive role.

      I did not write that in the Second World War played a decisive role. Wrote: in the Second World War of the Corps - the elite of the Red Army.
  18. shuravi
    shuravi 30 March 2018 23: 26
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    Bouncer,
    And you know something else. You, as I understand it, also position yourself as a connoisseur of cavalry (albeit a knightly one), but you have not seen that the article is about CALCULATED cavalry corps. Based on the number of divisions.
    For the Russian army went to war in 1914., Having the cavalry (Cossack) division as the highest cavalry unit. And only in the fall began the formation of improvised "consolidated horse corps" of 2's divisions. And in 1915, such corps were reinforced by giving them third and fourth horse divisions. So there were permanent equestrian corps.


    I am primarily a connoisseur of the armed forces. Therefore, I know that if in those years cavalry was used, it was not from virtues, but from hopelessness. Not enough mechanized transport.
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer 31 March 2018 05: 55
      +15
      I am primarily a connoisseur of the armed forces.

      this is called - arrogance is the second happiness.
      all we know and we can do
      leave it to him, show it all. Who it?
      And this is what I quoted:
      For the Russian army went to war in 1914., Having the cavalry (Cossack) division as the highest cavalry unit. And only in the fall began the formation of improvised "consolidated horse corps" of 2's divisions. And in 1915, such corps were reinforced by giving them third and fourth horse divisions. So there were permanent equestrian corps.
      1. soldier
        soldier 31 March 2018 08: 29
        +15
        Understand the bouncer, what’s the matter
        There are those people who have knowledge, and there are those who know how to get out, who knows the art of arguing.
        Why argue with such? Meaning?
        For example, look at a character named "Shuravi".
        He writes about cavalry in WWI:
        these years have become the swan song of breeders

        But he himself acknowledges below that cavalry was used in both Civil and Great Patriotic War. So PMV has not become the "swan song of livestock breeders"?
        And if, as he immodestly claims to himself
        I am primarily a connoisseur of the armed forces.
        even though the percentage is true, then he cannot but know that his statement about the Soviet cavalry in World War II
        this "elite" sat in the trenches along with the infantry, and the horses worked in the wagon train.
        - an outright lie. Of course, the cavalry also sat in the trenches of both the WWII and the Second World War. He cannot, if
        connoisseur of the armed forces
        not know about the cavalry raids of the cavalry of the Red Army and probably heard the name Dovatora.
        So it makes no sense even to communicate with such figures and wasting valuable time. This is my opinion hi
        1. Bouncer
          Bouncer 31 March 2018 11: 23
          +15
          it makes no sense even to communicate with such figures and wasting valuable time. This is my opinion

          All right. A lot of honor.
          Moreover, articles are written for a wide range of people interested in military history.
          And not for entertainment or training for the Voshny troll, who has known the world in old age.
          hi
  19. shuravi
    shuravi 31 March 2018 11: 28
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    I am primarily a connoisseur of the armed forces.

    this is called - arrogance is the second happiness.
    all we know and we can do
    leave it to him, show it all. Who it?
    And this is what I quoted:
    For the Russian army went to war in 1914., Having the cavalry (Cossack) division as the highest cavalry unit. And only in the fall began the formation of improvised "consolidated horse corps" of 2's divisions. And in 1915, such corps were reinforced by giving them third and fourth horse divisions. So there were permanent equestrian corps.


    That is, here's a lie about it:
    So you are trending that in 1915 the Russian cavalry only conducted reconnaissance.

    you cannot give any evidence.
    Congratulations to you, citizen of shame.
    It turns out that you are a banal dull brehl ascribing to opponents what they did not say.
    1. Bouncer
      Bouncer 31 March 2018 11: 50
      +15
      Shuravi (and so on, and so on and so forth) laughing
      I knew that you would show up - that is, you acknowledge that it
      And not for entertainment or training for the Voshny troll, who has known the world in old age.

      about that
      the Russian army went to war in 1914, having a cavalry (Cossack) division as the highest cavalry unit. And only in the fall began the formation of improvised "consolidated horse corps" of 2 divisions. And in 1915, such corps were strengthened by giving them third and fourth horse divisions. So there were permanent equestrian corps.

      Learn specialized literature. You don't know much at all, and talking about it is pointless. I won’t teach anymore.
      But the fact that supposedly
      in 1915, the Russian cavalry only conducted reconnaissance.

      I answer for the 25th time.
      Under Neradovo in July 1915, the Russian cavalry STOPED THE COMING GERMAN INFANTRY.

      And this is just one episode.
      All citizen lied
      Farewell
      Absolutely
      wassat hi
  20. shuravi
    shuravi 31 March 2018 12: 09
    0
    Quote: soldier
    Understand the bouncer, what’s the matter
    There are those people who have knowledge, and there are those who know how to get out, who knows the art of arguing.
    Why argue with such? Meaning?
    For example, look at a character named "Shuravi".
    He writes about cavalry in WWI:
    these years have become the swan song of breeders

    But he himself acknowledges below that cavalry was used in both Civil and Great Patriotic War. So PMV has not become the "swan song of livestock breeders"?
    And if, as he immodestly claims to himself
    I am primarily a connoisseur of the armed forces.
    even though the percentage is true, then he cannot but know that his statement about the Soviet cavalry in World War II
    this "elite" sat in the trenches along with the infantry, and the horses worked in the wagon train.
    - an outright lie. Of course, the cavalry also sat in the trenches of both the WWII and the Second World War. He cannot, if
    connoisseur of the armed forces
    not know about the cavalry raids of the cavalry of the Red Army and probably heard the name Dovatora.
    So it makes no sense even to communicate with such figures and wasting valuable time. This is my opinion hi


    But essentially, besides the transition to personality, is there anything to argue with?
    If interested, then my "character" is all here:
    http://artofwar.ru/l/lisowoj_w_i/
    So you declared yourself an army man, but something does not look like it.
    For you can’t understand such a simple idea that if at the beginning of the WWII cavalry was a completely self-sufficient branch of the armed forces, then by the end of it cavalry slipped into auxiliary roles.
    A special case of civil war, as an example of the importance of cavalry, can only be given by a couch strategist.
    As for the Second World War, all the acts of the cavalry, a rather narrow application. And then thanks to the fact that other branches of the army and forces have tried. Cavalry was used because it was (the Mongols supplied horses and there were riders).
    With the same success, we can talk about the "biplane test", on the basis of the fact that the U-2 (Po-2) was widely used.
    In fact, grab the proper amount of the same Pe-2 and rearm all the night regiments on them, the effectiveness of the strikes would be much higher.
    1. soldier
      soldier 31 March 2018 12: 23
      +15
      A special case of civil war,

      Dear and many-sided
      As for the Civil War, they are fundamentally wrong. As those who are knowledgeable about what they are talking about, people-specialists of the Red Army - this is the clearest example of how exactly the strategic cavalry played, if not a key, then a very significant role in the victory of the RSFSR. She was the locomotive of combined arms armies, turning the tide of the most important operations. If the case is special, it is not for our country.
      And in the Second World War, the cavalry corps also acted actively. For example, Dovator’s compounds carried out a number of horse raids.
      Of course, the cavalry for 100 years was an auxiliary type of troops, no one argues with this.
      Fly Pe-2 or Po-2, and I will follow the advice of the Bouncers
  21. shuravi
    shuravi 31 March 2018 12: 11
    0
    Quote: Bouncer
    Shuravi (and so on, and so on and so forth) laughing


    Baby, are you responsible for your lies, or will you continue to keep your tongue in the ass?
  22. shuravi
    shuravi April 1 2018 18: 14
    0
    Quote: soldier
    A special case of civil war,


    As for the Civil War, they are fundamentally wrong. As those who are knowledgeable about what they are talking about, people-specialists of the Red Army - this is the clearest example of how exactly the strategic cavalry played, if not a key, then a very significant role in the victory of the RSFSR. She was the locomotive of combined arms armies, turning the tide of the most important operations. If the case is special, it is not for our country.



    That's how many times already repeat that the civil war, for all its scale, is a special case of technical regression. That is why cavalry played a big role in it.
    But to consider this from the point of innovation in military art is stupidity.

    And in the Second World War, the cavalry corps also acted actively. For example, Dovator’s compounds carried out a number of horse raids.


    How did they act? In rather narrow conditions at the level of partisans. And then, when aviation, if it didn’t dominate the sky, but at least deprived the Germans of tearing off strike aircraft from the front.

    Of course, the cavalry for 100 years was an auxiliary type of troops, no one argues with this.


    Yes, that's just not. At the beginning of the WWII, it was one of the main striking forces, capable of acting both in cooperation with other branches of the armed forces, and independently.
    But with the saturation of troops with rapid-fire weapons, aviation, and armored vehicles, all the advantages of cavalry were nullified.


    Fly Pe-2 or Po-2,


    Me and Mi-24 were quite enough.

    and I’ll follow the advice of the Bouncers


    That is, you want him to slander an opponent, and then proudly shut up?
    1. soldier
      soldier April 1 2018 20: 05
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      That is, you want him to slander an opponent, and then proudly shut up?

      Yes, it would be someone to slander. To be honest - you already got me. Leave it alone.
      Especially since I’m not an opponent)
      At the beginning of the WWII, it was one of the main striking forces, capable of acting both in cooperation with other branches of the armed forces, and independently.

      Even at the beginning of the WWI, cavalry was an auxiliary branch of the army. Field Service Charter 1912 C. 186. wrote: “The main role in the battle belongs to the infantry; the other branches of the armed forces must by all means assist her in achieving combat objectives. "
      But with the saturation of troops with rapid-fire weapons, aviation, and armored vehicles, all the advantages of cavalry were nullified.

      Of course. And so the cavalry units in the USSR were abolished in the 1947 year.
      Release.
      Have a rest
  23. shuravi
    shuravi April 3 2018 11: 36
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    Yes, it would be someone to slander. To be honest - you already got me. Leave it alone.


    For the sake of interest, I looked at the message history. It turns out that initially you yourself stuck like a bath sheet, now now you become in a pose. laughing

    Especially since I’m not an opponent)


    Well, yes, of course, an army man, a hero!


    Even at the beginning of the WWI, cavalry was an auxiliary branch of the army. Field Service Charter 1912 C. 186. wrote: “The main role in the battle belongs to the infantry; the other branches of the armed forces must by all means assist her in achieving combat objectives. "


    You are the difference between one of the main и the main able to comprehend?

    Of course. And so the cavalry units in the USSR were abolished in the 1947 year.


    Finally eliminated as a branch of the army.


    Release.
    Have a rest


    But give the commands to your mother. You have not grown to me yet.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 3 2018 12: 09
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      You have not grown to me yet.

      Of course, I overtook something in the most important thing.
      Well, in another, moral and psychological - thank God that it is not mature, God forbid, turn into a sort of
      1. soldier
        soldier April 3 2018 12: 17
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        one of the main and main

        The main, the main ...
        The usual twisting begins.
        Cavalry at the beginning of the 20 century was neither the main nor the main branch of the army.
        I don’t even want time on you anymore.
        He who has ears, let him hear.
        So as I wrote above - hang up.
  24. shuravi
    shuravi April 3 2018 19: 11
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    The main, the main ...
    The usual twisting begins.


    What kind of army man are you if you don't have clear terminology?


    Cavalry at the beginning of the 20 century was neither the main nor the main branch of the army.


    Therefore, at the beginning of the war in the army of the Republic of Ingushetia there were twenty-one dragoon regiment, seventeen ulan regiments, eighteen hussar regiments? bully


    I don’t even want time on you anymore.
    He who has ears, let him hear.
    So as I wrote above - hang up.


    Merging is not prohibited.
    1. soldier
      soldier April 3 2018 20: 46
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      Because at the beginning of the war in the army of the Republic of Ingushetia there were twenty-one dragoon regiment, seventeen ulan regiments, eighteen hussar regiments

      So, therefore, cavalry was the main branch of the army? laughing laughing
      Argumentation kindergarten senior group. Still there above something blamed lol
      Then the infantry is definitely the main branch of the armed forces, because
      twenty one dragoon regiment, seventeen ulan regiments, eighteen hussar regiments
      there were 208 infantry regiments of the first stage only (without the 2nd, 3rd lines, grenadier, rifle, and others).
      Infantry - the main branch of the army, the rest are auxiliary. It was as if they did not want another.
      There is definitely nothing to talk about hi
  25. shuravi
    shuravi April 5 2018 10: 14
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    So, therefore, cavalry was the main branch of the army? laughing laughing


    And you definitely followed the path of "bouncers" became a nonsense. After all, I have never said such a thing. For between the main, and one of the main, a big difference.


    Argumentation kindergarten senior group. Still there above something blamed lol


    Are you talking about yourself? Self-critical.

    Then the infantry is exactly the main branch of the army,


    One of the main and main.

    Infantry - the main branch of the army, the rest are auxiliary. It was as if they did not want another.
    There is definitely nothing to talk about hi


    Auxiliary, these are units and subdivisions engaged in providing combat operations of the main combat arms.
    And to write down the cavalry in auxiliary forces can only be a capter. hi
    1. soldier
      soldier April 5 2018 18: 29
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      The last time I answer "military specialist" (and the quotation marks are far from random).
      I won’t even comment on anything.
      But you know, having read that the cavalry is the main branch of the army because there are fifty regiments in it — I decided that you were kidding — they too went into the image of murziks, svp, badensses, etc. But I remembered how in one of my articles (under my real name) they wrote - that the Roman cavalry was auxiliary in the legion because - because there were fewer horsemen than legionaries) What a glorious explanation.
      It means not because of the peculiarities of tactics, manning, historical traditions, etc. - but simply because there were fewer of them in quantity. Super!
      You are a lover of trolling, and often propagating black ones. What is the best cure for troll attacks? That's right - ignore. So forgive me generously, this type of "communication" was enough for me - well fed. Continue to correspond with yourself, and leave me alone.
      Goodbye and good luck
  26. shuravi
    shuravi April 6 2018 13: 19
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    The last time I answer "military specialist" (and the quotation marks are far from random).
    I won’t even comment on anything.



    What military specialist I have never hid. Saratov VVAUL, Afghanistan, Chechnya. So my quotation marks have long been revealed.
    Unlike you. hi

    But you know, having read that the cavalry is the main branch of the army because there are fifty regiments in it — I decided that you were kidding — they too went into the image of murziks, svp, baden-sons, etc. But I remembered how in one of my articles (under my real name) they wrote - that the Roman cavalry was auxiliary in the legion because - there were fewer cavalry than legionaries) What a glorious explanation.
    It means not because of the peculiarities of tactics, manning, historical traditions, etc. - but simply because there were fewer of them in quantity. Super!


    The fact that you are a nonsense attributing your own speculations to opponents, I already know. But in this nonsense you have already crossed the line of common sense. Tie up a plump, you already have hallucinations.





    You are a lover of trolling, and often propagating black ones. What is the best cure for troll attacks? That's right - ignore. So forgive me generously, this type of "communication" was enough for me - well fed. Continue to correspond with yourself, and leave me alone.
    Goodbye and good luck


    Oh, well, is it that I slander my opponent? No, you do it. hi
    1. soldier
      soldier April 7 2018 13: 28
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      What military specialist I have never hid. Saratov VVAUL, Afghanistan, Chechnya. So my quotation marks have long been revealed.

      Yes of course. We are both military experts.
      Especially when you do not write under the nicknames of different people, countries and peoples.
      the fact that you are a nonsense attributing your own speculations to opponents, I already know. But in this nonsense you have already crossed the line of common sense.

      the fact that you know how to insult Uncle Murzik is what we remember.
      Tie up a plump, you already have hallucinations.

      don't equal me